Hey guys,
I just upgraded my wife's phone to a SGS2 but she doesn't like it cuz it's too big...so i'm testing it out on my SIM but I don't have any 3G data. Is it because I'm on the unlimited dumbphone data plan?
How old is your SIM card? Is it a 3G compatible SIM card..?
Yea, they'll also change your plan to a 2gig smart phone data plan when your line flags with a sgs2 IMEI.
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I was using the dumbphone dataplan for a while, even on my Captivate and two other smartphones. When I bought the GS2 off-contract in hopes of continuing with the plan, I wasn't able to get data. Eventually had to talk to Best Buy people (where I got the phone) and they talked about how SIMs were tied to IMEIs so I had to update the one on my account. In short, my reign of data terror ended and I got stuck with the 2gb plan
sims & imei are not tied together.
but IMEI's are tied to compatible and required features.
ngocdao said:
sims & imei are not tied together.
but IMEI's are tied to compatible and required features.
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Well I guess the sim isn't tied with it necessarily, but I guess my account had to be updated with the new device.
it's worth it to pay the extra $$ anyways man. provisions all the correct stuff for your specific phone.
Depends on what you need. This phone is great but are you willing to pay the data plan prices? I wish I had locked in the grandfathered unlimited data for $30 when I had the chance to...
my reign of data terror comes to an end too! ... oh well, guess i'll have to upgrade my data plan... thanks for the help guys
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Depends on what you need. This phone is great but are you willing to pay the data plan prices? I wish I had locked in the grandfathered unlimited data for $30 when I had the chance to...
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just saw your post, my wife's line has the $30 unlimited data plan and when i put her sim card in, i still don't get the data icon at all.
Or use straight talk unlimited everything for $45/month. All you have to do is add mvno apn...
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snobrdinrtiste said:
just saw your post, my wife's line has the $30 unlimited data plan and when i put her sim card in, i still don't get the data icon at all.
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If it's an iPhone unlimited data, you have to call AT&T and ask them to transfer it to the "Smartphone unlimited data"
The GS2 (and other HSPA+ phones) use a different APN for data than older devices. Your account has to be provisioned for it.
When I purchased my GS2 the people at the AT&T store swapped the 3G sim from my HTC Rhodium to a "4G" sim that would work on the HSPA+ network. This may be part of the issue. I don't know if there is a way to get a "4G" sim without a smartphone that needs it.
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When I purchased my GS2 the people at the AT&T store swapped the 3G sim from my HTC Rhodium to a "4G" sim that would work on the HSPA+ network. This may be part of the issue. I don't know if there is a way to get a "4G" sim without a smartphone that needs it.
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I am wondering if I need to upgrade my captivate sin card. I noticed best buy kept that old Sim but upgraded my account to hspa data. Still unlimited however I get the same data speeds as the captivate.
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I had the same problem after switching sim cards. the old one in my captivate didn't work. phone/text did, but no data. i went to at&t store and they gave me a new sim card free. the new sim cards work in the captivate, but not vice versa.
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I am wondering if I need to upgrade my captivate sin card. I noticed best buy kept that old Sim but upgraded my account to hspa data. Still unlimited however I get the same data speeds as the captivate.
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As stated above, it is your account not SIM card. My captivate SIM card does not work until I called AT&T to migrate my account into 4G data.
All 4G phones use a different APN/network. Your account must be provisioned for it in order to use that 4G data. Or you can manually create a 3G APN for your phone and use your phone for 3G only.
The APN(s) pre-programmed in the AT&T SGS2 route to their 4G servers. A non-4G data plan can't access them. If you add the Cingular APN settings you'll be able to get data access. I've been getting fake-4G speeds using the data for non-Smartphones plan since May. But, like someone else pointed out, AT&T recognizes the AT&T SGS2 as a 4G phone so you're very likely to get flagged.
Name: AT&T
APN: wap.cingular
Proxy: leave blank
Port: leave blank
Username:[email protected]
Password:CINGULAR1 (yes this is in CAPS)
Server: leave blank
MMSC: http://mmsc.cingular.com
MMS Proxy: wireless.cingular.com
MMS Port: 80
MCC:310
MNC:410
APN Type: Internet + MMS
The posts about your account having to be "provisioned" are entirely inaccurate. The only provisioning that has to be done is if you are moving form an iphone data plan. Otherwise, regardless of whether you are coming from a smartphone plan or a "dumbphone" plan, all you have to do is manually add the apn that was mentioned in the above post. There is absolutely no difference at the account level between any AT&T phones excluding the iphone. When someone says your account must be "provisioned" for a 4G phone, what they really mean is that AT&T can push the settings to your phone so that you do not have to manually enter them.
Take note: If you have been using a dumbphone plan, your data plan WILL be switched over to the 2GB smartphone plan as soon as you put your sim card in a 4g phone and enable data. I had used my $9.99 unlimited data plan on a Treo 650, Samsung Blackjack, HTC Fuze, HTC Tilt 2, and my Samsung Captivate with absolutely no issues, including tethering semi-frequently. However, within minutes of activating the data on my 4G infuse, my data plan was modified.
I am now on the $45 4GB plan with tethering. It was a good run, but my days of cheap data are over.
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The posts about your account having to be "provisioned" are entirely inaccurate. The only provisioning that has to be done is if you are moving form an iphone data plan. Otherwise, regardless of whether you are coming from a smartphone plan or a "dumbphone" plan, all you have to do is manually add the apn that was mentioned in the above post. There is absolutely no difference at the account level between any AT&T phones excluding the iphone. When someone says your account must be "provisioned" for a 4G phone, what they really mean is that AT&T can push the settings to your phone so that you do not have to manually enter them.
Take note: If you have been using a dumbphone plan, your data plan WILL be switched over to the 2GB smartphone plan as soon as you put your sim card in a 4g phone and enable data. I had used my $9.99 unlimited data plan on a Treo 650, Samsung Blackjack, HTC Fuze, HTC Tilt 2, and my Samsung Captivate with absolutely no issues, including tethering semi-frequently. However, within minutes of activating the data on my 4G infuse, my data plan was modified.
I am now on the $45 4GB plan with tethering. It was a good run, but my days of cheap data are over.
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You're contradicting yourself.
The phone out of box is already configured to use 4G network. However, if you put in a SIM card from your old 3G phones, it won't work. You have two choices: (1) call AT&T so that they provision your account to be able to connect to the 4G network using the out of box configuration or (2) manually enter above APN and stuck with 3G data.
The reason AT&T implemented this way is exactly to catch those of you with old non-smartphone data plans or old cheaper smartphone plans (anything < $30/mo). I have unlimited 3G data plan and bought GS2 out of contract and I have to call them to modify my account in order to get any data connectivity. I get to keep the unlimit data plan but it is now 4G provisioned without getting a new SIM card.
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Is this possible? In a perfect world I could go to Best Buy, grab a GoPhone LG Thrive, pop my wifes non data family plan sim in there, somehow block 3g, and she could keep her current plan untouched and use WiFi for the occasionaly internet usage.
Thoughts?
I don't remember the settings in stock 2.2 Froyo, but on the CM7 roms there are widgets to set data 2G, 2G/3G, 3G and on/off. You can probably download an app that'll do that.
I'm pretty sure that will block the data, but my fear is that as soon as AT&T recognizes the model number on the phone they will add a data plan to the account.
Froyo 2.2 including LG Thrive has Data ON/OFF switch, so don't bother using the phone without data plan. You can also delete the APN settings, so the phone cannot use data even the latter is enabled. It sounds very wierd the operator to activate a data plan without your permission.
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Froyo 2.2 including LG Thrive has Data ON/OFF switch, so don't bother using the phone without data plan. You can also delete the APN settings, so the phone cannot use data even the latter is enabled. It sounds very wierd the operator to activate a data plan without your permission.
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So, wifi wont work either?
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So, wifi wont work either?
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Wi-Fi will work. Wi-Fi has a separate switch. There is a switch that turns on/off only the 3G/EDGE/GPRS data.
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Wi-Fi will work. Wi-Fi has a separate switch. There is a switch that turns on/off only the 3G/EDGE/GPRS data.
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cool, but I just hope it's not like the iphone in that they require a data plan to even pop you sim card in it.
1st review on amazon seems to confirm my fear... "Be aware AT&T will make you buy a data plan for $5 per month for 10 MB, even if you never use it because it's a smart phone. "
I read that LG Thrive goes with a prepaid plan, so you buy the phone and don't use the new sim...and you can insert your wife's sim.
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cool, but I just hope it's not like the iphone in that they require a data plan to even pop you sim card in it.
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I vaguely recall reading about this new "feature". Happened around the time the new iThing came out. Reading around a little, it seems that more recent contracts have clauses that let them do this.
Some posts mentioned that BEFORE you use the smartphone, to call ATT and place a data-block on the account. Seems to have worked for some.
So has anyone successfully purchased a LG Thrive, popped an AT&T post-paid SIM in and use it without a data plan?
You may want to consider buying an Optimus T, unlocking it and using it with ATT. Both are GSM. You'll then have access to all the dev here and not be bound to ATTs draconian crap.
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So has anyone successfully purchased a LG Thrive, popped an AT&T post-paid SIM in and use it without a data plan?
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it can be used without a dataplan if you use your own sim card. I bought one for my daughter and since I was at the end of my billing cycle I decide to wait until the new billing cycle to add the data plan, she was using the phone without problems for over a week, and was able to use wife for data. One thing is that when you call ATT to add the Data Plan you need to give a different IMIE cuz once they try to add the IMEI of the GO phone the system will say the phone can not provisioned with premium Data plans. What I did was just to gave her my Captivate IMEI since it was never registered with ATT.
I am a AT&T prepaid user. Can I use the Atrix 4G in it without data plan? I only use Wi-Fi which is much faster.
The AT&T shop assistant man told me that I will not be able to use it if I do not open any date plan. If I am a prepaid user I can not use the phone; If I am a postpaid user I will be notified to add a data plan after I insert the SIM card into the Atrix 4G which is a smartphone.
Currently I also use a smartphone in AT&T network and does not commit any data plan. The phone works great. The shop assistant said the reason is that Atrix 4G is a AT&T phone and will be recognized by AT&T and force to open a data plan.
I do not know whether I should believe him for may be he is just trying to sell me more expensive plans. Is it technically possible to ban prepaid users? Is there any way to avoid this restriction? Since the Atrix 4G smartphone is bought in full price and unlocked, I do not owe AT&T anything. It works in T-Mobile, but does not works in AT&T prepaid, which seems very rediculous.
Yes, You can.
So the salesmen is only trying to threaten me with no real dangerous?
If you use a pre-paid SIM on an smartphone on AT&T, they will slap a data plan onto your account and you will be expected to pay it. I've seen it happen multiple times before.
Be careful when trying to break policy.
Well my girlfriend has an iPhone prepaid on ATT (my old one)with no data plan, so it is possible I would think for the Atrix to be used prepaid. But I really do not know.
Unfortunately, AT&T scans the IMEI numbers of all the phones on their networks occasionally and if they find any smartphones without data plans they add one without any warning. If you want to use a smartphone without Data, look at T-Mobile. They're the only one you can really do it on.
Sucks, and I think there should be some sort of law about that since there's no physical requirement of smartphones to have data, but thats how it is.
I've got an atrix, it uses 3g/4g so a data plan should work unlike the iphone. The Inspire is another phone where data plans are not available for pre paid. Salesmen love to threaten,intimidate and mislead.If you only want wifi you can turn off data in the data manager under settings.
So, they may only scan my IMEI and add data plan to it without my permission, and I can always make voice calls?
Since I am in "$2 Unlimited Daily Talk and Text" prepaid plan which is not qualified for any data plan, how can they add date plan to it?
Hi all!
I am going on vacation to the beautiful state of Florida soon. I'll be in West Palm Beach for 14 days. Does anyone recommend a carrier I may purchase a SIM card from and a plan that they have? I would like to use my unlocked Bell Atrix mostly for data (maps, navigator, etc...) And maybe some local calling.
Thanks!
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So I went to AT&T and they said the data for their prepaid won't work on my phone.... I told them I want it anyways. It works. I just had to put the APN settings in and everything works great.
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So I went to AT&T and they said the data for their prepaid won't work on my phone.... I told them I want it anyways. It works. I just had to put the APN settings in and everything works great.
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good stuff.....so did u have to pick-up a AT&T sim card plus a data plan or was it like a pay card????? will be doing the same soon.....but to Cal. thanks dill
FYI, the service for at&t is horrible in Florida, I just got back from a trip and 95% of the time it was 1 bar. Here in Texas I'm spoiled with pegged out bars and awesome service.
mastadon85 said:
So I went to AT&T and they said the data for their prepaid won't work on my phone.... I told them I want it anyways. It works. I just had to put the APN settings in and everything works great.
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LMAO. I would have set it up in the store and rubbed it in their face. The sales rep sounds like an asshole lol
Glad it worked out for you though!
It's their Gophone prepaid plans. The sim card is free and it's easy to add $ and data on their website. I did a speedtest while I was down there. Got 1.8Mbps up and down, while on Bell at home I get 5.5Mbps down and 3.3Mbps up.
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Get the AT&T 50$ monthly unlimited prepaid plan. It gives you unlimited talk, text AND data. While the data part is intended only for feature phones, AT&T has no way of checking that unless its one of their own phones (they can only check against IMEI). Bell Atrix should work perfectly and unless you really abuse the data, there shouldn't be a problem.
Now the issue is that since it is not allowed for a smartphone, sales persons can refuse you to sell one. However they're noobs as someone mentioned above. They think that data won't work for unlocked phones and you can use this argument in your favor. All you need to do is change/add APN. Also remember that for some weird reason, the sim is tied to your IMEI. If you use a dumb phone to get the sim and later want to put it in your atrix, it won't work. You'll need to call them or take it to their store so they can register atrix's imei against your account.
When I was in San Diego..I just went to T-mobile and purchased their pre-paid SIM. They had no issues selling me one that includes data plans..whereas AT&T told me I couldn't get one in a pre-paid (unless I bought an actual phone). For $70 I got Unlimited talk/text and data. Money can be thrown on the SIM card at any time..and since i'm going to Hawaii in September..I plan on using it again then (and the mobile hotspot is awesome..as the wife can boost my "unlimited" data onto her iphone).
Now if only I could figure out a way to make T-mobile work in Canada..because you Americans are SPOILED with your rates. $70?? Craziness.. Here for limited minutes (1500min i think including long distance) / unlimited text, and 5GB of data I pay $160/month.
The quick start guide says I need to activate the phone with them. Can I just put my old cappy's sim card in it like I've done with every other phone? The SG2 came with a new sim card installed. I haven't turned it on yet?
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You can just switch sim card and go, no need to "activate".
I got mine near store closing time so the guy at the at&t store just gave me the phone un opened.
Actually make sure you get your data plan to a HSPA data, I have heard of people loosing their unlimited due to feature incompatiblity
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I have a PDA Personal unlimited plan. on my GS2, but data is not working. I am on the phone with ATT now. They are trying to resolve my no data issue.
ATT people I've talked with (3 so far) are not familiar with PDA plan.
They are stating PDA plan not compatible with GS2.
You need the 'SMT Personal $30.00' plan which is for Smartphone Unlimited.
I got my phone off Amazon and it came with a SIM. I tried just putting my SIM from my Captivate into it but I wasn't able to get data, and eventually got an 'Invalid SIM' notification. I popped in the new SIM and the 'Invalid SIM' was gone but still no data. I had to call in and activate it, and then change my data to the 4G plan from the normal one (wouldn't let me before I activated it). I synced all my contacts with google before switching SIMs too.
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I have a PDA Personal unlimited plan. on my GS2, but data is not working. I am on the phone with ATT now. They are trying to resolve my no data issue.
ATT people I've talked with (3 so far) are not familiar with PDA plan.
They are stating PDA plan not compatible with GS2.
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Where did you ordered your phone? Sounds like the place sold you the phone didn't do a proper job. Your old data plan needs to be provisioned into 4G plan (you can still keep the unlimited) before you can get any data connection. Or you can manually create a new APN using the settings from the preconfigure (but not selectable) AT&T WAP APN and select that new APN. Either way it works. But ask AT&T to provision your data plan is easier and save a lot of headache down the road for you next phone.
I want to use the GS2 without paying the monthly data plan, sort of as a wifi only device. Anybody know if I get an S2 off Craigslist and unlock it, will at&t recognize the phone and slap on the monthly data plan?
In other words do they have the IMEI sweeps like they did for unlocked IPhones?
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if you get one and erased all the APN info from it, it will never connect to the Mobile Data from ATT... you will never get charged.
You don't even need to unlock it, if you are staying with AT&T.
I'm talking bout their mandatory smartphone plan.
Or if I don't buy it from them they won't add it ?
I've heard that if it picks up an IMEI from any smartphone registered on the network, it will add the smartphone data package. But I can't confirm this.
As long as you're using a phone released by AT&T, it will know it is a Smartphone by looking up the IMEI because AT&T knows every phone it releases. It doesn't matter where you bought it.
The only chance for you to avoid the data plan is buy a Smartphone that was not released by AT&T. Then again, chances are those phone mostly don't support all the AT&T's 3G/4G bands.
You can use a smartphone from At&t just call customer service and have them WIX block the line in use, I did it with my HTC Fuze before and on the bill it showed "Data Opt-Out"
Will that still let me send and recieve MMS?
Is it the same as a Data Block?
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the new phones use a special sim/gsm, and in order to get network access you have to register the APN (forgive me if I have the names wrong). I've already got the unlimited data plan, and was also thinking of buying a phone so that I can easily be grandfathered. No dice, you have to call them to provision the phone/sim, and then I'm sure they will say you have to go with the limited data plan (charges above a certain usage). Looks like I'm going to have to call and ***** at them until I get them to grandfather me. I'm going to be super pissed if they don't do it. Isn't Verizon and sprint offering unlimited?
I may not need it now, but once I get this GS2 I believe I will be using alot more data.
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the new phones use a special sim/gsm, and in order to get network access you have to register the APN (forgive me if I have the names wrong). I've already got the unlimited data plan, and was also thinking of buying a phone so that I can easily be grandfathered. No dice, you have to call them to provision the phone/sim, and then I'm sure they will say you have to go with the limited data plan (charges above a certain usage). Looks like I'm going to have to call and ***** at them until I get them to grandfather me. I'm going to be super pissed if they don't do it. Isn't Verizon and sprint offering unlimited?
I may not need it now, but once I get this GS2 I believe I will be using alot more data.
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Verizon no longer offers unlimited. Sprint does. T-Mobile sort of does(No overages. Just slow speeds.)
If you can provision the phone to use the wap.cingular APN, then you might (MIGHT) be able to slide under the radar. This is what we have done with my son's iphone 3gs and iphone 4 for a couple of years now. The system still reports that it is an iphone from the IMEI number but the feature is the $10.00 unlimited non-smartphone plan. As far as I know, there are no automated sweeps that look for smartphones with the wrong data plan. It looks at what APN the phone requests and then matches that to how your account is provisioned. If it tries to connect to a smartphone APN, and no provision is on the account for it, one is automatically added.
I've even had CS reps notice the iphone on his account with the $10.00 plan and breeze through it like it didn't even matter to them.
If you can change the SGS2 APN to use the wap APN, then the key is to have your SIM inserted into a non-smartphone and add the unlimited data package before placing the SIM into your SGS2 that has had its APN changed.
One thing I don't know is if you will get HSPA speeds on wap.cingular. I know 3G works well.
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Will that still let me send and recieve MMS?
Is it the same as a Data Block?
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Yes, its Data block from At&t's side and so they won't add a data plan. I don't know if MMS will work cause at that time I only remember using text which was working fine.
I got my captivate with an upgrade from att of course. lol anyways the imei number got messed up cause I flashed a bad rom or something. I had some issue's with my phone, and I called att.They told me that I haven't been using my captivate. They said I was using an unknown phone. My point is backup your efs folder. Delete the one on the phone reboot your phone, and att will never know you have been using a smartphone on your account. When ever you want you can put the backed up efs folder on the phone, and the imei number will register again.
Are you saying backup and delete the whole folder? Or the sub folder with the imei in it?
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