Hello, I have an HTC thunderbolt, rooted with CM7, and installed setcpu and used autodetect and I put the CPU govern to "conservative" with minimum GHz 245 and maximum 1.8GHz and I am just wondering if this is safe? because I read some threads about Compatible kernels and I jave no idea what that means, they were also talkimg about undervolting, which agaim I do not know means, anyways thanks for reading
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Hello, I have an HTC thunderbolt, rooted with CM7, and installed setcpu and used autodetect and I put the CPU govern to "conservative" with minimum GHz 245 and maximum 1.8GHz and I am just wondering if this is safe? because I read some threads about Compatible kernels and I jave no idea what that means, they were also talkimg about undervolting, which agaim I do not know means, anyways thanks for reading
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If your device will run reliably at 1.8GHz, then there's not much to worry about as long as the voltage isn't too high. High voltages and heat can shorten the SoC's life or kill it altogether. Generally, I don't recommend running that fast because the performance increase isn't as great from 1.6GHz to 1.8GHz as it is from 1.41GHz to 1.6GHz. These cores weren't meant to run any faster than 1.5GHz really, and anything past that doesn't increase the performance as much as the numbers might suggest.
Also, a conservative governor probably isn't ideal if you're willing to run a device that fast. That governor would seldom, if ever, use that kind of speed. I'd suggest smartass, smartassV2, ondemand, or interactive if you're looking to see a good boost in performance.
If you're looking for an app to view and adjust voltages, IncrediControl works well. For all the nitty-gritty of overclocking, I'd recommend reading my OC guide. It's in the "Second Post" of my Q&A thread. If you've got any questions, feel free to hit me up.
So does over clocking just speed things up? What are the real benefits
Boggus said:
So does over clocking just speed things up? What are the real benefits
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I look at it like this. My screen eats up most of my battery. The less time it's on, the better. Overclocking uses more power for the CPU, but the display spends less time telling you it's waiting. It doesn't really add functionality, just speed and efficiency.
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call me a noob but i gotta ask, just what does the kernals do to the phone thats so special, and all the ghz talk means what. i rooted my device for the teather and customizing, and now i see all this talk of kernal this, overclock that, and different ghz people are getting can someone explain to me what this does for your phone, should i be interested???
popcorn kernals?
the higher your ghz the faster your phone is.
overclocking is making your ghz higher
and kernals is what allows you to overclock(sorta)
lol dude...you should prob. take your time with customization but ghz is in reference to the speed of the processor. So...theoretically the higher the number the better your phone should perform...t, eoretically lol. Note that with a higher ghz value the worse your battery life will be unless the kernel is written really well. Also the kernel is the code that controls the devices hardware. (brain)
The nice thing is that you can generally play with different kernels without having to wipe and redo your phone. Also, if you really want to play with the various kernels out there you should get setcpu from the market. It let's you set your phone to make use of the processor in an over clocked (OC) application but it can also let you under clock your phone when your not using it, such as when the screen is off. This will help you conserve battery life. But be careful, over clocking can lead to over heating and other problems if you''re not careful
sounds very interesting, hmmm. so in the coming months people could create kernals to acheive speeds to challenge dual core phones
the kernels already are challenging dual core phones. The thunderbolt currently has a 2ghz kernel. The motorola atrix is a 1 ghz dual core... Thunderbolt definately rivals it with overclock kernel
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A "kernel" is the OS layer that sits between the applications and hardware. So, when an application says "light up LED" it eventually goes through the kernel to do this, most likely by a request/system call.
The speed of a CPU is measured in hertz (frequency). So, a 1 Ghz CPU can perform over 1 billion operations in one second. The frequency can be increased (overclocked). When you do so, this can damage the CPU (most likely due to heat). Heat can also cause the CPU to run efficiently. So, if you overclock too high, you COULD end up running slower than if you had just left it at 1 Ghz. Changing the frequency can also hinder stability.
so with it being so dangerous how do u know what kernal to trust and whats a safe limit in hertz, do u stop at 1.5, because 2ghz sounds like pushing it
This thread is so full of misinformation it is comical. To start, higher clock speed does not always result in better performance.
Secondly, everyone has their own preference. The best bet is to find the perfect balance for your needs. For many people, overclocking the CPU is not very beneficial... since the device is already plenty fast at stock 1GHz speeds. A lot of users would rather use custom kernels to make their device more power efficient and use SMARTASS governors and lower voltages.
Mess around with kernels and see what you like the best! (always remember to create a backup before flashing... this allows you to easily revert back if something goes awry).
You mean they're not popcorn kernels?? Lol
bmcclure937 said:
This thread is so full of misinformation it is comical. To start, higher clock speed does not always result in better performance.
Secondly, everyone has their own preference. The best bet is to find the perfect balance for your needs. For many people, overclocking the CPU is not very beneficial... since the device is already plenty fast at stock 1GHz speeds. A lot of users would rather use custom kernels to make their device more power efficient and use SMARTASS governors and lower voltages.
Mess around with kernels and see what you like the best! (always remember to create a backup before flashing... this allows you to easily revert back if something goes awry).
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Very well written and informative post, thanks brah!
skinien said:
A "kernel" is the OS layer that sits between the applications and hardware. So, when an application says "light up LED" it eventually goes through the kernel to do this, most likely by a request/system call.
The speed of a CPU is measured in hertz (frequency). So, a 1 Ghz CPU can perform over 1 billion operations in one second. The frequency can be increased (overclocked). When you do so, this can damage the CPU (most likely due to heat). Heat can also cause the CPU to run efficiently. So, if you overclock too high, you COULD end up running slower than if you had just left it at 1 Ghz. Changing the frequency can also hinder stability.
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+1 ninja point for correctly saying "over 1 billion"
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It should be noted that most phones are definitely capable of being overclocked to a reasonable extent.
the majority of kernels we nexus one users play with, is undervolting the and playing with teh voltage tables to maximize standby battery life, at the same time overclocking the high end to improve performance. but really its about lowering voltage to improve battery life.
Hi... I have rooted my Samsung GS2 and payed for the OC app TEGRAK ..
But every time I go over 1400mhz the phone gets very unstable.
It even feezes at 1400 mhz when i use my navigon app...
I have tested it at 1500 mhz.. But reboots in a kind of save mode.,,,
At 1400mhz i runs Quadrant smooth with 4200 in score
And 56 MFLOPS in Linpack
But why is my phone so unstalbe?
But why is my phone so unstalbe?
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Because it's supposed to run at 1.2Ghz.
If every SGS2 was able to run at 1.4Ghz without any issue I guess Samsung would have set them at 1.4Ghz by default (since battery life is obviously the least of their concerns ^^). When CPUs are produced, there's always variations in quality. what usually happens on x86 CPUs is that they're tested, sorted according to their max stable frequency, and then sold under different names and at different prices. For Exynos my guess is that any CPU that fails to pass the 1.2Ghz bar is just ditched, and they keep the others, some of which will work at 1.4Ghz, whereas some won't.
Now if you want to gain more stability, you can always try to increase the voltage, it usually gets more stable as voltage increases, but it also gets hotter (which can cause it to crash, or may even permanently damage the processor).
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Because it's supposed to run at 1.2Ghz.
If every SGS2 was able to run at 1.4Ghz without any issue I guess Samsung would have set them at 1.4Ghz by default (since battery life is obviously the least of their concerns ^^). When CPUs are produced, there's always variations in quality. what usually happens on x86 CPUs is that they're tested, sorted according to their max stable frequency, and then sold under different names and at different prices. For Exynos my guess is that any CPU that fails to pass the 1.2Ghz bar is just ditched, and they keep the others, some of which will work at 1.4Ghz, whereas some won't.
Now if you want to gain more stability, you can always try to increase the voltage, it usually gets more stable as voltage increases, but it also gets hotter (which can cause it to crash, or may even permanently damage the processor).
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At 1.4ghz the phone will also get hotter and it decreases the lifetime if you run 24/7 at 1.4ghz
Ok.. I know about the x86 cpu's.. But didn't think it was the same in ARM cpu's-
But I see ALOT SGS2 that runs 1800mhz..
I guess that I just have one of the not so OC lilkes...
Overclocking won't always work for everyone at same levels.
I've also seen evidence to suggest that OCing significantly reduces the life of the SGS2. Nobnut had his phone vastly overheating even on stock speeds, and constantly rebooting... He overclocked. A number of others reported similar.
Overclocking is not simple and it is not that you just click on 1400/1500 MHz and you are Overclocked. A lot of things matter here. When we overclock in our Desktops then we have to test it very thoroughly, setting up the right VCore, Bus voltage, Multiplier, checking the stability and temperature etc. etc. Tegrak OC is a nice and simple software to use, but it can't be perfect when you can't set all the settings manually other that just higher the clock rate. Personally I'd always stay with stock speed as incorrect OC could harm my CPU and GPU.
Regards.
If you know anything about overclocking then you'll understand that there are a variety of factors that affect the overclocking of a system. The overclock headroom you get from a processor varies, add to that the variables in component tolerance in the circuit board and you have a huge variety of factors that can limit the maximum frequency that you can overclock your system to.
I'll give you an example using my computers. Click on the images below:
Both processor overclock similarly on using the same components and that was the maximum I could get out of them. Now when I bought an EVGA X58 Classified motherboard and overclocked the Xeon W3520 I got it up to 4704 MHz with less vCore and less CPU VTT. All of this was done with aircooling.
My point is that not all systems will overclock the same even though they share the same model components.
Hey guys,
i know that there was an overclocked kernel for GB, just curious if any developers are planning on coming out with an updated kernel for the View Honeycomb that will support overclocking....now with HC we can really push these things to the limit and get the most out of them.
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Hey guys,
i know that there was an overclocked kernel for GB, just curious if any developers are planning on coming out with an updated kernel for the View Honeycomb that will support overclocking....now with HC we can really push these things to the limit and get the most out of them.
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LeeDroid's ROM has a kernel which allows overclocking.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1406851
You need kennel source first
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The CPU usable limit is about 1.8 vs. stock 1.5 Ghz. So you can get a little more, but you have to remember for most of the intensive tasks, its not the CPU.... but the GPU that does the brunt of the work, therefore you might not even notice the difference when the CPU is overclocked. For example your Gt3 game won't frame any faster because the video is rendered by the GPU, not the CPU. The custom kernels also enable some difference CPU governor schemes, which might improve observed performance for some things. All of these things factor into battery usage. In general increased performance means more aggressive use of battery power.
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The CPU usable limit is about 1.8 vs. stock 1.5 Ghz. So you can get a little more, but you have to remember for most of the intensive tasks, its not the CPU.... but the GPU that does the brunt of the work, therefore you might not even notice the difference when the CPU is overclocked. For example your Gt3 game won't frame any faster because the video is rendered by the GPU, not the CPU. The custom kernels also enable some difference CPU governor schemes, which might improve observed performance for some things. All of these things factor into battery usage. In general increased performance means more aggressive use of battery power.
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Hey, what about our bragging rights?
We already have the fastest CPU on the market. Do you want to crush and disenfranchise the competition?
I actually would prefer under clocking, undervolting better process management. I want better battery life.
Leedroids, custom kernel , and others, allow for under or over and also for precise voltage adjustments at each speed. Other ways to get better battery are various governors that are less aggressive than the performance governor. Check the Leedroid and other treads for more info. Of course the biggest power eaters are the display and the GPU, if you are doing video or games the GPU will consume a lot and there is not much to can do with that. Display on eats battery, you can reduce brightness to help.
Hello,
I'm writing this thread to know which processor options would be optimal in our minis. The best settings, which give me the best performance/battery, I've found are:
CPU Governor: SMARTASSV2 (Default)
Min Freq: 19MHz
Max Freq: 748MHz
Undervolt: TRUE
I'm also using Apex Launcher. Which settings are you using?
Note: This are just my results, be careful when you change your processor settings.
fuchini said:
Hello,
I'm writing this thread to know which processor options would be optimal in our minis. The best settings, which give me the best performance/battery, I've found are:
CPU Governor: SMARTASSV2 (Default)
Min Freq: 19MHz
Max Freq: 748MHz
Undervolt: TRUE
I'm also using Apex Launcher. Which settings are you using?
Note: This are just my results, be careful when you change your processor settings.
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Whats the purpose of Undervolting when you have it's max frequency as overclock?
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Whats the purpose of Undervolting when you have it's max frequency as overclock?
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Because it undervolts on every frequency below 600, and his minimum is 19, so when the phone is idle or doesn't need all of the processing power he saves battery
The SmartAss governor is very good at picking the right frequencies for any given job, so it doesn't allways run on 748Mhz, not even when you're using the phone.
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because it undervolts on every frequency below 600, and his minimum is 19, so when the phone is idle or doesn't need all of the processing power he saves battery
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That is the same very purpose of SMARTASSV2 to undervolt your device when idle or on sleepmode and overclocks it when on process. So ticking the undervolt wont affect your device because the one that manage the frequency will be the COUgovernor.
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That is the same very purpose of SMARTASSV2 to undervolt your device when idle or on sleepmode and overclocks it when on process. So ticking the undervolt wont affect your device because the one that manage the frequency will be the COUgovernor.
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The SmartAss Governor only governs the frequencies, not the voltage that the Processor uses. there is a difference between the speed the cpu runs on (Mhz) and the amount of Electricity (Volts) it gets fed
Say Qualcomm has said it needs 5 volts to run at the stock frequency of 600Mhz, then the processor will always get 5 Volts, no matter which frequency it uses.
Undervolting will feed it less than the 5Volts when the frequencies are lower, SmartAss won't do that, it will run the 19Mhz still on 5Volts.
(Voltages are examples, i don't know the exact values, but I know that running on 122 or less will be stable on less than half of the nominal power)
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The SmartAss Governor only governs the frequencies, not the voltage that the Processor uses. there is a difference between the speed the cpu runs on (Mhz) and the amount of Electricity (Volts) it gets fed
Say Qualcomm has said it needs 5 volts to run at the stock frequency of 600Mhz, then the processor will always get 5 Volts, no matter which frequency it uses.
Undervolting will feed it less than the 5Volts when the frequencies are lower, SmartAss won't do that, it will run the 19Mhz still on 5Volts.
(Voltages are examples, i don't know the exact values, but I know that running on 122 or less will be stable on less than half of the nominal power)
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Nice yes yes. good reply. now I know whats the use of undervolting. thanks for the explanation
SmG67 said:
The SmartAss Governor only governs the frequencies, not the voltage that the Processor uses. there is a difference between the speed the cpu runs on (Mhz) and the amount of Electricity (Volts) it gets fed
Say Qualcomm has said it needs 5 volts to run at the stock frequency of 600Mhz, then the processor will always get 5 Volts, no matter which frequency it uses.
Undervolting will feed it less than the 5Volts when the frequencies are lower, SmartAss won't do that, it will run the 19Mhz still on 5Volts.
(Voltages are examples, i don't know the exact values, but I know that running on 122 or less will be stable on less than half of the nominal power)
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nice to see some piece of truth over here (not perfect, but well explained)
de-noobing is good from time to time
xda is overcrowded of false answers given by people thinking they know but don't
anywhere, at anytime, newbies asking get fake answers from people wanting to help but failing to do so , due to lack of knowledge.
as everyone, i might be one of these, but try not to be.
make sure you know what you are talking about before spreading your (incomplete or false) knowledge
this was my thought of the day
matmutant said:
nice to see some piece of truth over here (not perfect, but well explained)
de-noobing is good from time to time
xda is overcrowded of false answers given by people thinking they know but don't
anywhere, at anytime, newbies asking get fake answers from people wanting to help but failing to do so , due to lack of knowledge.
as everyone, i might be one of these, but try not to be.
make sure you know what you are talking about before spreading your (incomplete or false) knowledge
this was my thought of the day
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Would you mind to add that to FAQs to avoid false answers?
Tom.K said:
Would you mind to add that to FAQs to avoid false answers?
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of course i don't
do you mean only the explanation about oc/uv ?
i can add it, note that a while ago i wrote pieces of information about those things
Hey, thanks a lot for all the replies. I had no idea why my settings worked like i wanted.
How can I have both cores run at the same speed all the time? I think this is the reason my phone's performance suffers when I overclock it or just even using the stock frequency.
Currently, I have it OC'd to 1.83ghz but I can see a drop in performance. Ive tried to increase voltages, but it makes it worse in some cases. However, Ive noticed that when both cores are on and operating at the same speed the phone becomes fast.
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How can I have both cores run at the same speed all the time? I think this is the reason my phone's performance suffers when I overclock it or just even using the stock frequency.
Currently, I have it OC'd to 1.83ghz but I can see a drop in performance. Ive tried to increase voltages, but it makes it worse in some cases. However, Ive noticed that when both cores are on and operating at the same speed the phone becomes fast.
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First off, what kernel and ROM are you using?
Second, generally speaking at speeds above 1.56 to 1.62, the L2 Cache doesn't sync with the processor speed and they kind of fight against each other. On a good kernel overclocked to just 1.62ghz you can beat a poor kernel at 1.8+ all day. I would suggest only overclocking to 1.62 max.
Third, if you install Kernel Tuner it has an option to link the two cores together so they run at the same frequency.
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First off, what kernel and ROM are you using?
Second, generally speaking at speeds above 1.56 to 1.62, the L2 Cache doesn't sync with the processor speed and they kind of fight against each other. On a good kernel overclocked to just 1.62ghz you can beat a poor kernel at 1.8+ all day. I would suggest only overclocking to 1.62 max.
Third, if you install Kernel Tuner it has an option to link the two cores together so they run at the same frequency.
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I am using Coolexe's rom with his latest kernel. Can't I force them to synchronize? Ive tried that and system tuner. They do not work all the time. I think it has to do more with scripts.
Any scripts to force them to be online all the time at the same speed?