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Okay, what one-click root method, if any, can be applied after the latest OTA update (1.70.605.0)? I just bought the phone already updated, and I cannot find if there is one compatible. I'm to much of a noob to root without one click, so don't send me in that direction please! Any help is appreciated, Nick
Easyroot is about as close as you're going to get to a one-click for the Thunderbolt.
It should still work fine after the latest OTA.
Easyroot: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1005292
Instructions: http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=552281&d=1301123842
Has this worked for you with the Thunderbolt ?
Or you could just go to http://revolutionary.io Those easy root scripts are notoriously unreliable. I would also recommend getting ADB up and running and learn to use it and fastboot as well. They can be life savers when you get in trouble.
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Yea, I saw Rev had another update for Tbolt yesterday so maybe it will work nicely for you.
Seriously though...if you're looking at Easyroot vs Manual method....learn from other panicking users and go the Manual route.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996616
Absolute_Zero said:
Yea, I saw Rev had another update for Tbolt yesterday so maybe it will work nicely for you.
Seriously though...if you're looking at Easyroot vs Manual method....learn from other panicking users and go the Manual route.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996616
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Disagree. I looked at the manual vs easyroot method, and if your goal is to just flash custom roms, then theres nothing useful about learning ADB and what any of it means/does. Thats like saying to use windows you should learn C++.
RunNgun42 said:
Disagree. I looked at the manual vs easyroot method, and if your goal is to just flash custom roms, then theres nothing useful about learning ADB and what any of it means/does. Thats like saying to use windows you should learn C++.
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No. That isn't accurate by any stretch of the imagination. It's more accurate to say if you want to use Windows, you should learn something about command line DOS. You absolutely SHOULD and I'm fairly certain most devs would agree. Please don't advocate ignorance.
I'm disappointed by the OP's flat rejection of obtaining new skills to perform a somewhat technical task and I think we, as a community, should not support that attitude, but rather foster an environment of support and encouragement towards increasing knowledge and experience.
Furthermore, the Revolution and AlphaRevX sites are still down which means obtaining a beta key to use their tools will not be possible. When these or other resources become reliable in the eyes of their creators as alternatives to the jcase method, and I have time to evaluate them, I will be adding them to my thread stickied at the top of this Q&A section. Until then, if your concern is to backup data before a manual root, then I'd suggest TwistedUmbrella's tools to perform that task.
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Disagree. I looked at the manual vs easyroot method, and if your goal is to just flash custom roms, then theres nothing useful about learning ADB and what any of it means/does. Thats like saying to use windows you should learn C++.
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While the comparison of learning C++ to typing (or copy/pasting) ADB commands that are listed verbatim in procedural order for you is a spot on* comparison, I will also have to disagree.
The problem is that when these scripts error/do not work (and they do quite often) the user has no idea whatsoever the step that caused the error. I'm going to have to say that the majority of users on here (along with a large number of users that panicked when the auto rooting scripts screwed up) will agree that the manual method is the way to go. Not only does it help you troubleshoot if something didn't work and therefore get help faster (b/c you know what command errored) but the failure rate is much lower to begin with. The manual method is actually very quick and painless (as many users have noticed after trying the auto scripts). Maybe it's just people's avoidance of anything that says "manual".
I suppose I (along with a majority of users here) will have to agree to disagree with you.
*read "not even remotely reasonable"
RunNgun42 said:
Disagree. I looked at the manual vs easyroot method, and if your goal is to just flash custom roms, then theres nothing useful about learning ADB and what any of it means/does. Thats like saying to use windows you should learn C++.
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C++ is much harder to learn than adb (and perhaps one of the harder languages period to master due to the leadway it gives a user to screw things up). C++ you actually learn something useful. I dont think anyone will hire you because of your 1337 adb copy/paste skills alone
Overall I'd say that was a metaphor fail. I'd say learning to use adb is more like learning to use cmd.exe. Mostly useless unless you really really really need to do something out of the ordinary.
*full disclosure: i hate cmd.exe and use cygwin when on windows
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Disagree. I looked at the manual vs easyroot method, and if your goal is to just flash custom roms, then theres nothing useful about learning ADB and what any of it means/does. Thats like saying to use windows you should learn C++.
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So while your flashing those ROMS you end up with a bad flash and bad luck loving to come all at once your recovery gets corrupt as well. On top of that you don't have any recent backups for apps or a nandroid. Now the link to the bootloader flashable recovery is down. So now what?
Not the most likely scenario but still very possible. I guarantee when someone says "oh that's easy just fastboot a recovery on" your going to be wishing you had learned how to fix your phone before you messed it up.
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So while your flashing those ROMS you end up with a bad flash and bad luck loving to come all at once your recovery gets corrupt as well. On top of that you don't have any recent backups for apps or a nandroid. Now the link to the bootloader flashable recovery is down. So now what?
Not the most likely scenario but still very possible. I guarantee when someone says "oh that's easy just fastboot a recovery on" your going to be wishing you had learned how to fix your phone before you messed it up.
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Sure you could end up with a bad flash as a result of improper script. But if you were just copy/pasting command lines then you still dont know wtf to do, so what difference does it make? In fact, since all of you are advocating just copy/pasting one line at a time, exactly what the hell are you learning from this process? You still have no idea what any of the commands mean or what they're doing, you're just taking 10x as long to do what a batch file does for you.
Because if you copy and paste the commands one by one and you run into a problem at least you know what step it happened on. So now when you go asking for help you can provide some useful information to those trying to help you.
Revolutionary makes all that moot in a way. The fact remains however you can still very easily end up in a situation where you need to fastboot a recovery on. So having ADB and fastboot installed and working plus knowing how to use them are definitely things EVERYONE who is rooted SHOULD know.
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I also just found another damn good reason to know how to use ADB and fastboot. Until Alpharev and Unrevoked release an s-on tool the ONLY way, I'm fairly certain, to get back to stock s-on after using Revolutionary or the hard patched hboot is with fastboot and a special command.
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loonatik78 said:
..the Revolution and AlphaRevX sites are still down which means obtaining a beta key to use their tools will not be possible. When these or other resources become reliable in the eyes of their creators as alternatives to the jcase method, and I have time to evaluate them, I will be adding them to my thread stickied at the top of this Q&A section.
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Hmm.. pardon my confusion, but I just came back from a jcase thread on how to root and in red letters, it says NOT to use that method anymore.. that it was outdated. But if the Revolution and AlphaRevX methods are not available then the jcase method is really the only option.
I am all for learning how to do this. I never was a monkey at a keyboard that just followed a flow chart to solve a problem, I want to know what I am doing. But while I am still reading and learning, it would be helpful to know what I am reading is correct, up to date, and not out of date as I am no expert at rooting yet. Maybe a different disclaimer on that post is in order?
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Hmm.. pardon my confusion, but I just came back from a jcase thread on how to root and in red letters, it says NOT to use that method anymore.. that it was outdated. But if the Revolution and AlphaRevX methods are not available then the jcase method is really the only option.
I am all for learning how to do this. I never was a monkey at a keyboard that just followed a flow chart to solve a problem, I want to know what I am doing. But while I am still reading and learning, it would be helpful to know what I am reading is correct, up to date, and not out of date as I am no expert at rooting yet. Maybe a different disclaimer on that post is in order?
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I believe he meant the rest of the post was outdated and to use revolutionary.io as of August 14th.
The old method will still work. It just does not give you the opportunity to save your apps and data like revo will.
I decided to do some extensive research on the following questions and while some were answered, most weren't.
For those of you who may or may not remember the good ol' days with the htc hero..where one click roots were common. Apps like z4root plunged me into the fantastic world of rooting. Now rooting is much more difficult, as I have come to determine with other sources. I am eligible for an upgrade and am going to get the HTC Evo 4G LTE. I would like to root it but keep the original stock rom as it has all these awesome features that come along with it. Unfortunately I heard that you can't get OTA software updates while rooted. I don't know if this means it just won't allow me to do it or if it'll brick my phone trying. This is an issue I haven't come across before as I had the HTC hero and it no longer received software updates. I did however see that some people said developers offer these updates with some additional features right out of the box. Does that mean people will be having sense roms perfected so to speak when the OTA software updates come out? Because that then leaves me with the question of having to unroot my phone. On another note z4root claims to be able to unroot phones instantly no matter how you rooted it. I really do want to root it because I'd like to take advantage of the apparent good features of sense...while deleting that annoying bloatware and having wifi tether. Until that EVO then gets to a point of dinasaur speed..at which I am fully ready to jump into Cyanogenmod. They have truly won me over. So just wondering if this is possible. Please feel free to correct any noob mistakes or wrong information as I am learning and need to continue to do so. Oh and last thing...if it's true that developers will be taking sense roms and adding stuff into it so people like me can have those new updates with root still..where would I go about finding such updates? Websites..etc. Thank you!
If you want to root it you can do it through HTC or go for s-off depending on your hboot.
Either way after an ota comes out there will be the updated stock from posted here if you want to get the updates. With HTC dev to unlock you get relocked if you take the ota's.
S-off you never want to take ota's as it may change your hboot and you may lose your ability for s-off in the future.
Also check out the stickies at the top of the forums for info on rooting the evo lte.
Naters
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islandjat said:
I decided to do some extensive research on the following questions and while some were answered, most weren't.
For those of you who may or may not remember the good ol' days with the htc hero..where one click roots were common. Apps like z4root plunged me into the fantastic world of rooting. Now rooting is much more difficult, as I have come to determine with other sources. I am eligible for an upgrade and am going to get the HTC Evo 4G LTE. I would like to root it but keep the original stock rom as it has all these awesome features that come along with it. Unfortunately I heard that you can't get OTA software updates while rooted. I don't know if this means it just won't allow me to do it or if it'll brick my phone trying. This is an issue I haven't come across before as I had the HTC hero and it no longer received software updates. I did however see that some people said developers offer these updates with some additional features right out of the box. Does that mean people will be having sense roms perfected so to speak when the OTA software updates come out? Because that then leaves me with the question of having to unroot my phone. On another note z4root claims to be able to unroot phones instantly no matter how you rooted it. I really do want to root it because I'd like to take advantage of the apparent good features of sense...while deleting that annoying bloatware and having wifi tether. Until that EVO then gets to a point of dinasaur speed..at which I am fully ready to jump into Cyanogenmod. They have truly won me over. So just wondering if this is possible. Please feel free to correct any noob mistakes or wrong information as I am learning and need to continue to do so. Oh and last thing...if it's true that developers will be taking sense roms and adding stuff into it so people like me can have those new updates with root still..where would I go about finding such updates? Websites..etc. Thank you!
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Lot of different questions compacted into that large paragraph. Not clear on which questions you want answered and in what priority. I'll do my best to throw out some answers.
First, comparing the EVO LTE to the Hero will result in a bit of confusion. If z4root worked on the Hero, then the Hero did not have write protected internal memory. In the world of security, otherwise known as methods to prevent root access, internal memory write protection is one of the more complicated methods used on modern cell phones. Due to the complexity of the internal memory write protection, there are very few people and groups capable of reverse engineering and bypassing this security, which is why there aren't very many tools, usually only one or two. Prior to this internal memory write protection, back in the z4root days, methods of gaining root access were much simpler.
Now, to the modern day HTC devices with the internal memory locked down. HTC offers and official tool, after many users requested, that allows *most* of the internal memory to be unlocked and root access gained. There are some 3rd party methods of internally unlocking the memory, but these are rare due to the required complexity.
In regards to applying OTA updates, other than the internal memory locking controlled by the bootloader, as mentioned above, OTA updates have charged relatively little to the days of the Hero. All OTA updates remove root access, but in a very simple manner by changing permissions. This can easily be restored. On the other hand, HTC OTA updates sometimes will update the bootloader, which can have the impact of relocking the internal memory, or patching a 3rd party memory unlock solution.
All frustrations with gaining root access should be directed at the carrier and manufacturer as they have intentionally devoted time and labor to developing these methods and they are the only parties with the power to directly change the process.
Hope that information helps fill in a few gaps on the changes that have occurred from the Hero to the EVO LTE in regards to root access/security!
Wow you guys are fast I think e everything was answered. But now I have two new ones. So I can root it through HTC..could you please explain how I would go about doing this? Do I just send it to them asking them to root it? And as for the updating without having to unroot it developers will post like SENSE with additional out of the box stuff here I just gotta find it .
THANKS!!!
islandjat said:
Wow you guys are fast I think e everything was answered. But now I have two new ones. So I can root it through HTC..could you please explain how I would go about doing this? Do I just send it to them asking them to root it? And as for the updating without having to unroot it developers will post like SENSE with additional out of the box stuff here I just gotta find it .
THANKS!!!
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htcdev.com
Go there and you can use the tool to unlock. As previous user posted, it allows most, NOT all, of the internal storage/memory/partitions to be written to.
You will void your warranty with HTC doing this though, however, most sprint stores from what I have read, don't know that you used the tool to unlock unless they specifically check for it in the HBOOT.
If you are on the 1.13 software, then, you can use the LazyPanda method to root and obtain full S-OFF (all paritions unlocked). If on 1.22, your only option at this point is to use the official HTC dev unlock method.
If you are on 1.15 use this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1690919
Its HTC dev unlock and all completely automated. It will unlock your phone, put on a custom recovery, and root teh stock ROM
If you have 1.13 run lazy landa to S-OFF
Thanks guys will do!
I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
By the way, I would really like to thank the dev's for working so hard on the root and s-off. Its amazing what they've accomplished in such a short time.
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
Alidaco said:
I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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DSB said it was in the works, but as adrenalyne stated i wouldnt get hopes up unless Jcase says its coming...
Where can I go to see the dev threads for this stuff so that I can keep updated?
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Alidaco said:
I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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Worse case scenario, you will have to flash kernels through fastboot, and you will have limited access to /system. So yeah, we are all hoping for s-off, but we can still do quite a bit even if we are stuck with s-on.
Dri94 said:
DSB said it was in the works, but as adrenalyne stated i wouldnt get hopes up unless Jcase says its coming...
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Didn't jcase say he wasn't involved with the people trying to get s off.
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Bigandrewgold said:
Didn't jcase say he wasn't involved with the people trying to get s off.
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I don't believe he's working on it, but if it's close, or accomplished, he'll know about it.
Alidaco said:
Where can I go to see the dev threads for this stuff so that I can keep updated?
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There's an inner circle working on S-OFF. You will not hear about it until it's done.
seeingwhite said:
Worse case scenario, you will have to flash kernels through fastboot, and you will have limited access to /system. So yeah, we are all hoping for s-off, but we can still do quite a bit even if we are stuck with s-on.
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We can already do quite a bit if you know the commands in adb.
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I don't believe he's working on it, but if it's close, or accomplished, he'll know about it.
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jcase is not working on S-OFF. The first few people he unlocked before public release are (these are the inner circle, if you will). He will certainly know when it's accomplished.
Is this entirely necessary? As far as I can tell full read/write access is achieved in recovery. Really it's kind of nice because if something blows up or you get some malicious app that claims to require root, you're safe. While the option would be nice to have, I don't really think we're limited at all as things are right now. It just takes a couple more steps.
paulguy said:
Is this entirely necessary? As far as I can tell full read/write access is achieved in recovery. Really it's kind of nice because if something blows up or you get some malicious app that claims to require root, you're safe. While the option would be nice to have, I don't really think we're limited at all as things are right now. It just takes a couple more steps.
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The main things that we won't have is stuff like ad blocking apps, on the fly build.prop editing, the giant customization settings apps that many sense roms are coming with, etc etc
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The main things that we won't have is stuff like ad blocking apps...
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Adblock Plus just came out with a new app yesterday with enhanced features for rooted users: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.adblockplus.android
paulguy said:
Is this entirely necessary? As far as I can tell full read/write access is achieved in recovery. Really it's kind of nice because if something blows up or you get some malicious app that claims to require root, you're safe. While the option would be nice to have, I don't really think we're limited at all as things are right now. It just takes a couple more steps.
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Funny....I remember a couple months ago when people were saying the exact same phrase in the d2vzw forums. We are all sharing the same optimistic thoughts.....but in the back of our minds, we all know its a load of sh*t.....we want s-off, trust me.
Alidaco said:
I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
By the way, I would really like to thank the dev's for working so hard on the root and s-off. Its amazing what they've accomplished in such a short time.
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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Do not buy a device based on what may be possible in the future. Buy it based on what is possible now. If s-off is important to you, then you do not want the DNA at this time. If you can live with the limitations, then go for it, but be careful not to turn into one of the disgruntled owners because you really wanted s-off and believed the rumors that it is "coming soon".
The kernal flashboot problem has been bypassed on the EVO 4g LTE I'm sure the devs can make their kernals S-On friendly. As far as S-On vs S-Off on the EVO there isn't much except for flashing unsigned radios through the bootloader
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luigi311 said:
The kernal flashboot problem has been bypassed on the EVO 4g LTE I'm sure the devs can make their kernals S-On friendly. As far as S-On vs S-Off on the EVO there isn't much except for flashing unsigned radios through the bootloader
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there are significant differences on this phone between dev unlocked and s-off (for those on pre release units that were lucky enough)
kernels: atm, s-off can flash in recovery, unlock in hboot (yes scripts can be done, but still)
radios: no-go on dev unlock, yes on s off
reverting to older RUU's: well none exist currently, but s off can, dev unlock cant
splash images: cosmetic, sure...but not possible on dev unlock
updating/reverting other firmware: only possible to update through a signed RUU for non s-off folks...s off folks can revert or update with just parts of the RUU that are extracted
/system access: only possible in recovery for those with dev unlock, s off can access it in android....this might not seem like a big deal to the average user...but for devs?, pretty horrid....for example, if i want to mod Rosie for some reason (landscape, app drawer, cosmetic, whatever) typically i can just adb push the apk and test it....now i'll have to boot to recovery, push the apk, reboot to android to test it (a lot more time consuming and annoying)
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DSB said it was in the works, but as adrenalyne stated i wouldnt get hopes up unless Jcase says its coming...
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I have nothing to do with s-off. I'd wait for hyuh and/or fuses to say something.
I really wouldn't buy a phone based on what you're hoping for. If s off is that important for you, I wouldn't buy it. All that does is lead to a lot of disappointments and complaining honestly. I see a whole lot of posts and entire threads on the forums where people are posting complaints about model xyz phone not having updates fast enough or not being s off, not having a different OS/UI working without bugs yet, things like that.
Buying something on hopes and dreams is a mistake in my opinion, and if fastboot flashing kernels and not having splash screens is important to you, I would buy a different phone now and get the DNA after it's s off. Any rumors or speculation that you hear is just that. The guys who are really working on it wont be posting about it much because even in a best case scenario, things change mid development as progress is made.
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I really wouldn't buy a phone based on what you're hoping for. If s off is that important for you, I wouldn't buy it. All that does is lead to a lot of disappointments and complaining honestly. I see a whole lot of posts and entire threads on the forums where people are posting complaints about model xyz phone not having updates fast enough or not being s off, not having a different OS/UI working without bugs yet, things like that.
Buying something on hopes and dreams is a mistake in my opinion, and if fastboot flashing kernels and not having splash screens is important to you, I would buy a different phone now and get the DNA after it's s off. Any rumors or speculation that you hear is just that. The guys who are really working on it wont be posting about it much because even in a best case scenario, things change mid development as progress is made.
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Sir, your logic is NOT welcome here!
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/system access: only possible in recovery for those with dev unlock, s off can access it in android....this might not seem like a big deal to the average user...but for devs?, pretty horrid....for example, if i want to mod Rosie for some reason (landscape, app drawer, cosmetic, whatever) typically i can just adb push the apk and test it....now i'll have to boot to recovery, push the apk, reboot to android to test it (a lot more time consuming and annoying)
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Just to add, you can push and test, but it'll revert back on reboot. Did so many times already
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Just to add, you can push and test, but it'll revert back on reboot. Did so many times already
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Is anyone able to remove bloatware from their DNA? This revert back issue with s-on seems to prevent it.
You have to unlock it, install a recovery, root it, and you can install a debloated stock Rom or a custom Rom.
Hi all - just signed up. I'm receiving my 10 Monday. I have an Infinity and wanted to give the Nexus 10 shot as it seems like a great tablet. I'm not likely to root either one. Is there anything you all suggest to get the most out of the Nexus 10? I'm fairly new to the tablet world although have owned an android phone for several years.
Thanks!
Welcome and congrats! Here is a link someone started that shares your question.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2023608
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^ Great thread for starters but make sure and DO YOUR READING before you unlock and root your device -- or you will end up with a $400 makeshift frisbee disk. Unlocking your boot-loader/rooting is what makes android so much fun, I would recommend it
Derp: sounds you've rooted before, but I suppose the above statement still stands lol
TheEmpyre said:
^ Great thread for starters but make sure and DO YOUR READING before you unlock and root your device -- or you will end up with a $400 makeshift frisbee disk. Unlocking your boot-loader/rooting is what makes android so much fun, I would recommend it
Derp: sounds you've rooted before, but I suppose the above statement still stands lol
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I did read that thread but as I said - I'm not likely to root...at least not right away.
stormricker said:
I did read that thread but as I said - I'm not likely to root...at least not right away.
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Sounds like quite a few people are unlocking / rooting and leaving the stock ROM which is likely what I will do. I like having the freedom that Root provides to install some apps etc.
Nexus 10 will be my first tablet also, so I'll be having quite a bit of fun for the first few weeks figuring out how exactly I will be using it
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Sounds like quite a few people are unlocking / rooting and leaving the stock ROM which is likely what I will do. I like having the freedom that Root provides to install some apps etc.
Nexus 10 will be my first tablet also, so I'll be having quite a bit of fun for the first few weeks figuring out how exactly I will be using it
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Still a little nervous about the rooting process....and its risks. What exactly are the benefits?
stormricker said:
Still a little nervous about the rooting process....and its risks. What exactly are the benefits?
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From what I've gathered, and from experience, I think the benefits of Root give the user a great deal more control of what goes on with his/her device -- that is, in part, what apps are accessing resources. For example, with my HTC One XL, I was able to install an app (which requires root access) that allows me to freeze apps while they are not in use -- launch them to unfreeze and use them when I need but when I'm not using, they aren't going to automatically run processes that drain my battery. I also installed a custom Kernel, and there is a root-required app that allows me to adjust my CPU frequencies and voltages to maximize battery life and performance.
I am relatively new to rooting devices, as I started in late October, but I can tell you that I have had a ton of fun doing it.
In any event, I really dont think rooting is that valuable to mainstream users if you ask me -- If you aren't looking into flashing custom ROMs or using special utilities/apps on your device then I wouldn't bother rooting/unlocking bootloader.
Since you asked risks I'll address that too: The risks are bricking (completely unusable) your device if you flash an incompatible ROM, but this is easily avoided by sticking only to flashing ROMs for the Nexus 10. You can also damage the components of your device if you overclock too much etc....Other risks are that ROMs are buggy sometimes despite the very hard work of the devs here (They are truly amazing here) but the bugs may take away from your experience potentially. There may be plenty of other risks but these are the ones I can think of so far.
I was completely unaware of root/unlock up until about 2 months ago and was completely new to the process. I was able to read great guides put together by the XDA community here that walked me through the process and I was successful in unlocking my One X and I now finally feel like I am getting the moneys worth out of my device that I payed good $$$ for.
stormricker said:
Still a little nervous about the rooting process....and its risks. What exactly are the benefits?
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Rooting is quick and painless if you use the Nexus 10 Toolkit available in the development section! My Galaxy Nexus also has a toolkit from the same dev, makes things SO much easier/quicker.
The risks of rooting are almost non-existent. Really, if the procedure doesn't work for you, nothing changes & you just won't have root permissions. I've personally never had anything bad happen, but I'm sure there is someone out there who has tried some sketchy method to root...the methods here are far from that, just read up and follow the instructions.
Benefits are basically the freedom to remove system apps and make backups of any of your apps. There are also a ton of root apps that allow you to customize your device the way you like it. With root, you get full control and the freedom to tinker.
Nexus devices are absolutley meant for consumers who don't root or unlock, but what is great about them is if you want to do either of the latter..it is much easier to do.
Also, I suggest you try and personally compare your N10 and Infinity before you read any of the general comparison threads. lol
Oh and welcome to the vanilla side of Android! :good:
- Mac
xIC-MACIx said:
Rooting is quick and painless if you use the Nexus 10 Toolkit available in the development section! My Galaxy Nexus also has a toolkit from the same dev, makes things SO much easier/quicker.
The risks of rooting are almost non-existent. Really, if the procedure doesn't work for you, nothing changes & you just won't have root permissions. I've personally never had anything bad happen, but I'm sure there is someone out there who has tried some sketchy method to root...the methods here are far from that, just read up and follow the instructions.
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Toolkits are a nice method for rooting for beginners, but (imo) it's better to learn how to flash (and do generally other stuff) without the need of a toolkit.
When I rooted my Nexus 10, I just unlocked the bootloader (manually with fastboot), restocked, installed custom recovery (TWRP; fastboot) and then flashed a SuperSU CWM-flashable package from recovery. I did a lot of messing around with flashing and stuff on my SGT7 and Nexus 7, so this wasn't really anything new or difficult at all. I started out with a toolkit on my Nexus 7, and found it very annoying after a while when trying to flash a custom recovery (generally took a while for the device to end up having to reboot and unlock, and if I already did unlock then I think the toolkit wouldn't continue on unless I selected another option, and then if drivers aren't installed properly (I switched between a few devices) then that can also cause the toolkit to mess up, drivers and adb would be outdated from the toolkit in-comparison to what Google offered, etc.).
Simply put, Toolkits might be nice in the beginning, but I wouldn't recommend relying on them forever If your only mission is to just root the device though, a toolkit can do that pretty painlessly.
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Toolkits are a nice method for rooting for beginners, but (imo) it's better to learn how to flash (and do generally other stuff) without the need of a toolkit.
When I rooted my Nexus 10, I just unlocked the bootloader (manually with fastboot), restocked, installed custom recovery (TWRP; fastboot) and then flashed a SuperSU CWM-flashable package from recovery. I did a lot of messing around with flashing and stuff on my SGT7 and Nexus 7, so this wasn't really anything new or difficult at all. I started out with a toolkit on my Nexus 7, and found it very annoying after a while when trying to flash a custom recovery (generally took a while for the device to end up having to reboot and unlock, and if I already did unlock then I think the toolkit wouldn't continue on unless I selected another option, and then if drivers aren't installed properly (I switched between a few devices) then that can also cause the toolkit to mess up, drivers and adb would be outdated from the toolkit in-comparison to what Google offered, etc.).
Simply put, Toolkits might be nice in the beginning, but I wouldn't recommend relying on them forever If your only mission is to just root the device though, a toolkit can do that pretty painlessly.
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Absolutely agree with you on that one. My first Android device was a Infuse 4G. Every root and recovery procedure was absolutely manual. Not to mention most of the methods were hackjobs from the OG Galaxy S and required some extra coersing w/ Root Explorer and a terminal lol. Once I got my GNex, I could do anything I needed to do manually; I was actually rather shocked at how simple things were w/ a Nexus device.
Really though, I don't at all mind these toolkits, it might be important to learn what goes on behind the scripts, but lots of ppl here would have never attempted to tinker w/ android w/o some sort of script/batch automation. That said, i'm sure they cause quite a bit more traffic in the Q&A section when things to go wrong. lol
Thanks for all of the replies.
It should arrive today and I'll compare it with my Infinity first and then go from there.
Looking forward to know the N10
When I first received mine, I didnt think that I would recieve it till closer to the end of day, as stated with UPS. But it arrived at 10am! Hoping it happens the second time around for my replacement. Would love to have the whole day playing with it
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A team of bright folks at http://firewater-soff.com
have an S-0ff solution that is supposed to work for all HTC's.
I have not personally tried it, hope some brave Inc 4g LTE owner
will try it out and tell us what happens.
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A team of bright folks at http://firewater-soff.com
have an S-0ff solution that is supposed to work for all HTC's.
I have not personally tried it, hope some brave Inc 4g LTE owner
will try it out and tell us what happens.
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Looks interesting. Note that you must still be able to obtain temp root by some method. Has anyone who was s-on rooted for which the OTA messed them up been able to re-obtain temp root? The firewater folks do provide a potential temproot method on their site.
Temp root
On that Firewater page, there's separate downloads and instructions for temp root. Looks easy...
i wouldnt get hopes up too much,i believe the binary is only working on phones with the newer board layout(radio flag in mmcblk0p3)
having said that,the binary just wont run on an unsupported device,so give it a shot. worse thing that will happen is a "hmm why are you here,exactly?" message