OKay, so this is my first android phone, coming from an Iphone 4 and let me tell you im about 80% disappointed.
Here are some problems im having, im hoping that you can help me turn that 80 into a 20.
1. Apps just randomly run in the background: I'll close all but my live background, my task manager and my alarm clock and go to sleep. When I wake up almost EVERY SINGLE app I have is running in the background. Why? How do I stop this, the Iphone never did this, I feel this is a hard fail on androids part.
2. Many apps force close while im trying to use them: Ive tried stock rom, and serenity 8, same apps same issues. Its becoming a turn off to use the phone for any apps.
3. Multitasking: Is there any? MOST of the time when I switch apps and "multitask" its just like having the app open at the start page, I dont have to reload the app but its not where I last left it like the Iphone. Even on web pages I find if I switch out of the web and go to another app if I return to the web im back at my home page and I have to go to my history just to get back where I was. Is there a way for me to fix this?
4: Ram usage: when I turn my phone off, then on I see 150 in the used ram. This number raises even with out opening any apps. I kill all apps and close all running programs I see nothing running except services and it raises as high as 600 mb with 0 apps open and nothing running except a live background and the task manager. My iphone never had a memory leak, how do I fix this? 600 mb to do nothing is a bit excessive.
As a software developer im really confused as how Google tricked everyone that android was good. Perhaps Im just uninformed and that is why I am here. I am wondering why there would be all these problems right out of the box on an item that is what 4th 5th generation? These are problems that shouldnt be as frequent in 1st and 2nd generations. Any help would be wonderful thank you.
1. this question has been asked a million times. In short, the Android OS handles memory much different than you'd expect. An app will appear as running after you close it but it may not be. Android just keeps that memory allocated to that app in case you need to use it again. But if the OS needs that memory for something else, it will release it from that app and use it for something else.
2. what apps FC on you?
3. i'll leave this for someone else to explain because I dont use the browser much so I dont have much experience with that.
4. this goes along with my answer for #1. Android OS likes to have its memory allocated but it doesnt mean those apps are running.
I might be a little off on my explanation so I'll leave it to the experts to clarify but i'm pretty sure i'm fairly accurate.
1/4 - Not deficiencies, Android is designed that way. If an app is resident in memory, it is more readily accessible. Some badly written apps DO more than just sit there in the task list - but most are OK. Sitting in memory is not bad - holding a wakelock or showing up in your battery usage is.
2 - No clue - not having this problem here. I haven't seen an FC in a few weeks, and the last one was my own fault. What apps?
3) This depends on the app. However, usually the browser returns to wherever I last was when I use it. In fact I wish it were easier to "go home"...
3) Matter of using the right button. Close the app with the home button, and restart it where it left off. Back out of the app with the back button, and start over.
List off apps that FC on me Both stock and Serenity 8:
Alarm Clock Plus
Chase
email
Gmail
hootsuite
maps
market
netflix
qik
web
Also no matter how I work the web 60% of the time I start back at my home page.
Lastly to do anything on android it seems like a process, just to switch from one app to another I have to do this, then that, then this, now im on my other app... Iphones multitasking is button click im there. Is there a multitasking app that works kinda like iphones? I really like the tray that holds ALL my open apps. Im trying hard to like this phone and android but being able to customize and have widgets just does not seem like it is worth it. Unless there are some really big secrets im missing.
Thank you all for the answers as well!
i really dont know what to tell you about the FC's because none of those FC on me ... whether I was stock or not. That just doesnt sound right. If you're stock, it shouldn't be FC'ing at all. I can understand if you're rooted and running S8 or some other ROM. Maybe something happened during the flash but stock should be fine.
I'm also trying out the browser on my phone and if I load a random website, go home, open another app and go back to the browser, its still on the last page I viewed.
DKS1282 said:
List off apps that FC on me Both stock and Serenity 8:
Alarm Clock Plus
Chase
email
Gmail
hootsuite
maps
market
netflix
qik
web
Also no matter how I work the web 60% of the time I start back at my home page.
Lastly to do anything on android it seems like a process, just to switch from one app to another I have to do this, then that, then this, now im on my other app... Iphones multitasking is button click im there. Is there a multitasking app that works kinda like iphones? I really like the tray that holds ALL my open apps. Im trying hard to like this phone and android but being able to customize and have widgets just does not seem like it is worth it. Unless there are some really big secrets im missing.
Thank you all for the answers as well!
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If you're swithing from app to app, and want to do it more quickly, hold the home button for a few seconds (pretty much anywhere, no need to go 'home' first). It will open up a list of the last 6 apps you've used. Pretty sure from the point you left off.
holding the home button does work pretty well, although sometimes it does not have the last couple apps I was using, mainly Go SMS pro. I am currently running S8 thought it was stable, guess i'll reflash and give this another go for a week, if not then its return to the IP and trade this back for the 4s. Thanks for the help!
Any suggestion on what rom to flash to?
Having THAT many apps FC on you is usually a sign that you did one of two things:
1) Forgot to wipe data/factory reset when installing a new ROM
2) Performed an improper Titanium Backup restore - restoring more than just "MISSING apps and data"
Chase
email
Gmail
maps
market
netflix
web
I'm running Serendipity 8.1 and do not have any problems with these apps from your list. You may need to re-flash.
Edit: what Entropy said.
DKS1282 said:
holding the home button does work pretty well, although sometimes it does not have the last couple apps I was using, mainly Go SMS pro. I am currently running S8 thought it was stable, guess i'll reflash and give this another go for a week, if not then its return to the IP and trade this back for the 4s. Thanks for the help!
Any suggestion on what rom to flash to?
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any of them are good but I personally use UnNamed. You really should wipe your phone first. Thats probably why you have so many FC's. When you flash a new rom, make sure you do NOT restore system apps via Titanium Backup (if thats what you use).
Entropy512 said:
Having THAT many apps FC on you is usually a sign that you did one of two things:
1) Forgot to wipe data/factory reset when installing a new ROM
2) Performed an improper Titanium Backup restore - restoring more than just "MISSING apps and data"
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i think thats exactly what happened because having that many FC's is not normal .
DKS1282 said:
List off apps that FC on me Both stock and Serenity 8:
Alarm Clock Plus
Chase
email
Gmail
hootsuite
maps
market
netflix
qik
web
Also no matter how I work the web 60% of the time I start back at my home page.
Lastly to do anything on android it seems like a process, just to switch from one app to another I have to do this, then that, then this, now im on my other app... Iphones multitasking is button click im there. Is there a multitasking app that works kinda like iphones? I really like the tray that holds ALL my open apps. Im trying hard to like this phone and android but being able to customize and have widgets just does not seem like it is worth it. Unless there are some really big secrets im missing.
Thank you all for the answers as well!
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To switch between running apps all you have to do is long press the home button - one press to see the last six open apps and your there.
Having the browser return to the home page every time just means you don't know what you are doing.
Being concerned about what is being held in ram its also a sign you don't know what you are doing. The memory chip where the ram resides, where you see a list of apps being held has to remain powered on all the time. Whether it is holding 250 MB of data, 500 MB of data or just 10 MB of data it will still be drawing the same amount of power. And just because an apps data is being held in ram does not necessarily mean it is running. Top see what us running you need to check cpu usage.
The only time to concerned about ram is if more than 85% is being used then you would start having problems. But this does not happen on our phones, and only would happen if you had something causing a major memory leak.
All of your force closes are related to you or your particular phone. I have maybe five fc's in a month and three of those happened while I was running cm7.
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Lot of user error here. I'm on the stock ROM with root.
Switch apps quickly by holding home.
If you use the back button to exit an app then you truly are exiting the app. Use home if you want it to start running.
Don't worry about ram usage. This device has 1GB and Android manages it very well without you ever having to worry.
I never have force closes unless it's the developers issue. If you're running from backed up apps then you can expect to have FCs. Install from fresh if you try a new ROM.
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I think the main reason the op is having his browser reset most of the time is because the op is using some kind if task killer. This task killer is also probably the cause of a significant portion of the fc's being experienced.
There should be a forum rule against people who run task killers then complain about fc's, laggy apps, and problems with multitasking.
I mean it should be obvious running a "task killer" on a device designed specifically to multitask - it is so silly. Look at the two phrases side by side "task killer" "multitasking device" - can you see what I mean.
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dayv said:
To switch between running apps all you have to do is long press the home button - one press to see the last six open apps and your there.
Having the browser return to the home page every time just means you don't know what you are doing.
Being concerned about what is being held in ram its also a sign you don't know what you are doing. The memory chip where the ram resides, where you see a list of apps being held has to remain powered on all the time. Whether it is holding 250 MB of data, 500 MB of data or just 10 MB of data it will still be drawing the same amount of power. And just because an apps data is being held in ram does not necessarily mean it is running. Top see what us running you need to check cpu usage.
The only time to concerned about ram is if more than 85% is being used then you would start having problems. But this does not happen on our phones, and only would happen if you had something causing a major memory leak.
All of your force closes are related to you or your particular phone. I have maybe five fc's in a month and three of those happened while I was running cm7.
Just because you don't know how to use a device does not make the device a general fail. Let's put the blame where it belongs, on the guy who has no understanding on what is going on with the processes in the device and drawing conclusions on based on an obviously ignorant perception those observations.
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I have upgraded to the Galaxy S2 from the Iphone 3gs. The long pressing of home button to bring up apps is something I did not know. Is there a thread somewhere to get this kind of information. Very helpful, thanks
Jim
jmj12us said:
I have upgraded to the Galaxy S2 from the Iphone 3gs. The long pressing of home button to bring up apps is something I did not know. Is there a thread somewhere to get this kind of information. Very helpful, thanks
Jim
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Not that I know of. There are little tricks like that and a good majority of people would never know of them I'm afraid.
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I have upgraded to the Galaxy S2 from the Iphone 3gs. The long pressing of home button to bring up apps is something I did not know. Is there a thread somewhere to get this kind of information. Very helpful, thanks
Jim
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Samsung has a tips and tricks page specifically for the AT&T GS2 that may show you some things you didn't know. One thing I didn't know was that you can take a screenshot with stock by pressing the power button and the home button at the same time. I also didn't know you can access the clipboard to show everything you "copied" from text fields.
http://www.samsung.com/us/article/tips--tricks-galaxy-s-ii-at-t-
As far as the OP's issues, I have all of those apps except for chase and hootsuite installed on stock and I don't FC at all. For the browser concerns, you may just be opening a new window each time you run the browser from the app icon. Try zooming all the way out of the page and then pinch to zoom out once more and it will show you the windows you have open, or you can press the menu key and select windows. The icon for "windows" in the menu will have a number on it if you have more than one open.
Entropy512 said:
Having THAT many apps FC on you is usually a sign that you did one of two things:
1) Forgot to wipe data/factory reset when installing a new ROM
2) Performed an improper Titanium Backup restore - restoring more than just "MISSING apps and data"
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Number 1... I didnt do that. I didnt think I had to off of a stock rom, but your right, I should have.
Thread cleaned... Please do not make me have to do so again. This forum is for friendly discussion.. Lets keep it that way.
edit --- I see Devine madcat is pushing back to topic
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So is there anything to this battery pull? I tried it for my i777 yesterday since I was confounded as to why goSMSpro & the stock web browser wouldn't close/exit when I hit the back button all the way until I ended up on the homescreen. They still showed up as active in the Samsung Task Manager widget.
Also, when I tried running the Speedtest app it was getting a weird error wherein no data would transfer and so I hit the home button (NOT the back button) and I saw the task manager turn red and upon entering the Active tasks, it shows that the Speedtest app was using 42.7% CPU
So I closed the app from inside teh task manager widget and decided that it would be best to do a battery pull. Upon donig a battery pull and then waiting approximately 30 seconds, I powered on and was very surprised to see that my battery usage is not reset?
If I'd done a battery pull on my T-Mo G1, it would've "forgotten" what my battery usage was to that point.
Very surprised that a battery pull does not equal a battery reset...if that makes sense.
I think what you're referring to is the battery usage stats. To my knowledge they only reset after charging because they are currently displaying what your usage up to this point has been on the current charge.
yeah, i think they'll reset once you charge your phone to 100%
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I think what you're referring to is the battery usage stats. To my knowledge they only reset after charging because they are currently displaying what your usage up to this point has been on the current charge.
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yeah, i think they'll reset once you charge your phone to 100%
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Thank you both! I was really shocked to see that the phone somehow remembered my battery usage even after pulling the battery. My G1 could NEVER do that! LOL -- anytime I pulled the battery, that was that. Of course, that phone is ancient by today's standards.
Either of you guys have trouble with the stock browser or stock messenger (or goSMSPro) not closing/exiting when you hit Back > Back > Back to Homescreen? These two still stay in the Task Manager and I can't figure out if they're supposed to? I thought ALL apps closed when you backed all the way out of them?
the task manager will show it as in memory because you just used it and thats normal. Android OS will kill the process when it needs that memory for other things.
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the task manager will show it as in memory because you just used it and thats normal. Android OS will kill the process when it needs that memory for other things.
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Thanks for the info nyydynasty. Yeah, I read up on how Android OS keeps the apps "suspended" I guess is the term I'm looking for here. But I thought the proper way to close out of an app was to either do one of the following three things:
1. Click on the menu button from within the application and (assuming there is an exit option), click 'Exit'
2. Hit Home > click on the samsung task manager widget and then click Exit on the app you want to close or click on 'Exit All'
3. From whatever app you're in > continue to press on the 'Back' capacitative button until you find yourself back on the homescreen.
Now, I understand if I have the messenger or stock web browser app open and I just click the home button to land me back on the homescreen then the apps should appear w/in the task manager widget.
However, since I'm "backing all the way out" shouldn't they close?
it depends on how that particular app is programmed. Some apps allow you to simply hit 'back' and it will exit, while others require you to exit from its in-app menu. if you hit 'home', the app does not close but if you go to the task manager and exit from that menu, it will force it shut.
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it depends on how that particular app is programmed. Some apps allow you to simply hit 'back' and it will exit, while others require you to exit from its in-app menu. if you hit 'home', the app does not close but if you go to the task manager and exit from that menu, it will force it shut.
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Correct but the stock web browser and stock messenger being that they're STOCK part of the framework, I would fully expect them to close out when I back out all the way.
Ugh, gonna have to try this with the wife's phone. I wanted to last night but she'd just plugged it to charge it in.
Could you do me a favor and try opening up your stock web browser and going to any site or bookmark you may have and then backing out all the way to see if it closes.
My concern is that something somewhere went wonky on me and I'd like to know before I do a factory reset/restore.
Thank you!
even after hitting the back button it does not fully close on the messenger or the browser, but if you let it sit for a while, it will close itself out.
just let android take care of it for you, and stop worrying about it. only worry if you start getting absolutely terrible battery life. the only thing that i have that will not stop running is freaking words with friends. i have to close that via task manager every time. everything else takes care of itself
as pirate said, dont worry about how the OS handles the memory. The browser stays dormant while not in use and so does the messaging app.
Pirateghost said:
even after hitting the back button it does not fully close on the messenger or the browser, but if you let it sit for a while, it will close itself out.
just let android take care of it for you, and stop worrying about it. only worry if you start getting absolutely terrible battery life. the only thing that i have that will not stop running is freaking words with friends. i have to close that via task manager every time. everything else takes care of itself
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Thanks Pirateghost! I tell ya taht some of these things just make my OCD get the better of me. Yeah, I was thinking that since everything else closes why doesn't the stock browser and messenger close too! All stock apps/programs should work the same way! OCD is > than me!
Happy New Year (sick of hearing that yet?)
so I would love to find a way or an app that can stop my app(s) from going to sleep when I hit the home button to move on to another app.
As long as the app is on my screen, it is constantly connected 3g of wifi and is in a constant state of updating. BUT, when it is in the "background" (while I use another app or make a call) it just goes to sleep and stops all functionality. In many cases, when I come back to it I have to wait for it to load again because the app has been killed.
I dont know why anyone would want to leave an app open just to have it go into a frozen state! If you wanted the app to just be useless, why not just close it to free up ram?
Aaaaaargggg
Samsung Galaxy Note GT-N7000 1.4Ghz 1gb RAM
Hey thanks!
that's just the way Android is factory-configured to handle apps : the most resources go to the tier-1 apps, those that are visible.
Just bulletproof the app you want to keep alive. I can't look up the link right now (doing two things at once), but it's pretty easy to find : look into the general Android forums for the "V6 supercharger" thread, it's pretty nifty and allows you to reconfigure the way Android handles free memory. And its "sister thread" explains how to give the highest priority to the apps you need ("bulletproof" them, in other words)
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that's just the way Android is factory-configured to handle apps : the most resources go to the tier-1 apps, those that are visible.
Just bulletproof the app you want to keep alive. I can't look up the link right now (doing two things at once), but it's pretty easy to find : look into the general Android forums for the "V6 supercharger" thread, it's pretty nifty and allows you to reconfigure the way Android handles free memory. And its "sister thread" explains how to give the highest priority to the apps you need ("bulletproof" them, in other words)
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Thanks I'll look for it now. I have stock unrooted 2.3.6, does that change anything, because i wont be rooting or roming ;-)
Ahh the phone would have to be altered to use that. I wont say anymore so as not to be hated on lol. Many thanks
Oops, yep, sorry, my bad.. Of course the phone would have to be rooted to do this, you need a working Busybox installed..
I'm not aware of any app which can do this on an unrooted ROM (or even on a rooted one), sorry 'bout that..
Update: there's "Mr nice guy" available from the market, for rooted users only of course.
works pretty well, I got myself the paid version, comes in handy when testing a new Rom and you don't want to setup all the bulletproofing scripts back on..
I've noticed that on my Nokia Lumia 800, you can not exit programs or close them down, its seems i can only press back or the windows button.
Are these now running in the background and causing my battery to suffer?
If so are there any sort of task killers or enders.
Also 2 other issues i've noticed are that when i ring people my phone just goes black and does not give me a key pad any sort of button to end the call.
Also when i play my music, it does not have a stop button just a pause, and when i exit it just starts playing from paused. Only time i can get it to stop is when i turn my phone off/on.
Any feedback will help greatly.
WP7 has no real multitasking. So even if an app is "open" in the background it is paused and won't do anyting. Except spotify and the music app that can run in the background.
Task killers is an evil thing on Android and so would be on windows phones. They are not needed as the system handles these things better themselves.
If the screen is black after a call, press power button and it will light up. This is a bit buggy, to end calls at times. Usually I just wait till the other person ends the call so it quits automatically.
This isn't android. There's no need to worry about apps once you exit them, or worry about the music player. If it isn't playing then it isn't doing anything.
That's one of the joys of iOS and WP7. You do what you need to do and never have to worry about what the phone is doing. What's the point of a phone where you need to constantly worry about task killing?
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This isn't android. There's no need to worry about apps once you exit them, or worry about the music player. If it isn't playing then it isn't doing anything.
That's one of the joys of iOS and WP7. You do what you need to do and never have to worry about what the phone is doing. What's the point of a phone where you need to constantly worry about task killing?
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So true. I hated that about Android. Most tasks that kept starting were things I never wanted to use. Had to use Titanium Backup to freeze them. What a pain.
anseio said:
So true. I hated that about Android. Most tasks that kept starting were things I never wanted to use. Had to use Titanium Backup to freeze them. What a pain.
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Yeah, but when I had Android, all I can say is Thank God for Titanium Backup! I wish we had the equivalent on WP7 - would be nice for the few times I've had to reset my Lumia..
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Yeah, but when I had Android, all I can say is Thank God for Titanium Backup! I wish we had the equivalent on WP7 - would be nice for the few times I've had to reset my Lumia..
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There is a backup for windows phone. It's in the WP7 section of this forum. I've used it before. It backs up the entire phone. (i'd have to search for it)
Yes. Wp7 is in serious needs of a real backup/restore solution.
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Yeah, but when I had Android, all I can say is Thank God for Titanium Backup! I wish we had the equivalent on WP7 - would be nice for the few times I've had to reset my Lumia..
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Had an opportunity to encounter the main guy behind the Windowsphonehacker. I think his id is Jaxbot or something liek that.
He said that Chevron will open up shortly and that we could all unlock our devices from there. Now that he got a developer device from Nokia he is also doing hacks with it. The latest being global orientation lock.
I am just waiting for Chevron to start off again.
Hey, where here everyone hating android....
After android 2.2, there is no need of task killers..
I think you guys haven't tried android 2.2 or 2.3
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nexus2515 said:
Hey, where here everyone hating android....
After android 2.2, there is no need of task killers..
I think you guys haven't tried android 2.2 or 2.3
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Coming from 2.3.5 and 2.3.7 I can say that a task killer was necessary. Processes opened up and did whatever they wanted whenever. I had to freeze a few things in Titanium Backup and then set a whole bunch others to autokill. It's annoying that apps can up and do whatever they want whenever they want on the Android OS.
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Hey, where here everyone hating android....
After android 2.2, there is no need of task killers..
I think you guys haven't tried android 2.2 or 2.3
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That's just not true. The resource management on Android is problematic. The problem isn't that apps I'm using and switching between are still using resources in the background. If I opened an app and I expect it to still do something, that's fine. The problem is that after an hour or two, if you check any task manager, a ton of apps are listed as running.
You can say these apps aren't really running all the time and are frozen, but they were running at some point without me starting them. These apps do take resources, drain battery and make the phone's performance crap. Everytime I would kill those tasks, the phone would be snappy again. Setting a task killer to automatically kill these apps once an hour, increases battery life.
on ios and windows phone, only one app is really running and the others are suspended. There are a few exceptions (like music players)
on windows phone, you can completely control which apps are allowed to work in the background and start on their own and the OS controls when these apps can run to perform some operation and devs are very limited in what they can do. so apps don't start on their own without the user being able to control that and apps don't stay running in the background forever without the user ever knowing about it
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Hey, where here everyone hating android....
After android 2.2, there is no need of task killers..
I think you guys haven't tried android 2.2 or 2.3
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are you kidding me????
once i had adds on my taskbar due to some auto start app.
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are you kidding me????
once i had adds on my taskbar due to some auto start app.
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I'm sorry, but if you actually use an app that uses AirPush ads, it's your fault.
Never ever support developers that use this useless piece of crap ad service.
I happen to know a thing or two about mobile development (not only Android but also iOS and WP7) and they are all designed to not have to care about task killers.
Also, if someone really has to bash an OS because of problem X or Y, take a look at how the system works and realize that everything is perfect (for example, Android keeps the VM running to make the app start up faster, but as long as no code has to run through, the VM is just sitting there. Why have all the RAM if you're not using it?)
Please guys, start to read things up if you have no clue. Nobody should have to care about task killers at all and that's what ALL of our current mobile OS's are designed for. Start to develop apps for every single OS if you really want to brag about restrictions and design problems.
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I'm sorry, but if you actually use an app that uses AirPush ads, it's your fault.
Never ever support developers that use this useless piece of crap ad service.
I happen to know a thing or two about mobile development (not only Android but also iOS and WP7) and they are all designed to not have to care about task killers.
Also, if someone really has to bash an OS because of problem X or Y, take a look at how the system works and realize that everything is perfect (for example, Android keeps the VM running to make the app start up faster, but as long as no code has to run through, the VM is just sitting there. Why have all the RAM if you're not using it?)
Please guys, start to read things up if you have no clue. Nobody should have to care about task killers at all and that's what ALL of our current mobile OS's are designed for. Start to develop apps for every single OS if you really want to brag about restrictions and design problems.
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Ok, this is great and all that no one should have to think about task killers, but the obvious truth is that Android allows things to run whenever they damn well want to.
For example: Google Books likes to run in the background. Why? I don't use it. I don't want it. Yet, it still does what it wants to.
anseio said:
Ok, this is great and all that no one should have to think about task killers, but the obvious truth is that Android allows things to run whenever they damn well want to.
For example: Google Books likes to run in the background. Why? I don't use it. I don't want it. Yet, it still does what it wants to.
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The virtual machine is just sitting there, doing nothing. It helps speed up restarting the app in case it has been wiped off the memory. The VM still is in RAM, but no execution is happening as long as you start the app up again. Also, it might be itting in the background, doing nothing, waiting for the Google services to trigger a sync, in case a new book has been added to your library. If you have sync disabled in your account settings then it's just sitting there doing absolutely nothing and will finally be just wiped off the memory itself in case an app needs the resources.
With task killers, you kill a lot of apps that are flagged as "Don't kill me, I'll reapper as soon as possible", causing more trouble because the whole VM process has to be restarted, the app has to be reinitiated, code has to be reexecuted etc. That's the perfect way of working against how an operating system works.
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it's important to note that there are 2 different things being discussed here:
1) Cached tasks that are suppose to not cause any lag, but do. We know this because we see immediate lag fixes after killing cached tasks but not services.
2) Services that are unnecessary, such as Google Books and Fring.
I think there's a reason why Apple chooses to disallow multitasking even if it's a quintessential as playing a tune while browsing on the iPad in 2012 - it may be a crude solution but it's simple.
Personally I'm tied to a battery hog app due to social means, so I'm looking for an automated service killer for Fring.
There is also the 3rd accusation
3) that the service 'Android OS' in ICS 4.0.3 causes drain in some circumstances for some people who have installed apps but also ruled out (1) & (2)... possibly wake lock related even though there should be no wake locks.
People rarely disagree on things enough to argue unless they're actually talking about different things without noticing. So be sure to clarify which of these 3 wakelock related things you are talking about to keep everyone sweet.
The best of course is to blank everything and start again for testing but failing that use a wake lock measuring app. Can anyone recommend one for me?
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when you are viewing a contact in People app and you switch away, if you go back to People it will loose context and show you the main list again. this is definitely an intended behavior and one of the worst usability flaws of the Android OS. is there a way to disable this horribly ****ty behavior? maybe replacing the People icon with a shortcut to a special activity? do i need to patch the source for this? thank you!
Lanchon said:
when you are viewing a contact in People app and you switch away, if you go back to People it will loose context and show you the main list again. this is definitely an intended behavior and one of the worst usability flaws of the Android OS. is there a way to disable this horribly ****ty behavior? maybe replacing the People icon with a shortcut to a special activity? do i need to patch the source for this? thank you!
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Hmm. Sounds frustrating.I dunno about it being a default behavior. It doesn't happen on my phone, so can not recreate issue to see what's up. Are you going back to it after awhile, or like you just pop in another app and right back and it's back to the top of the list? I'm thinking maybe the system is being aggressive on the RAM front and shutting the app down if you are out of it for too long. If that is the case, then rooting and adjustin the memory management might be necessary. What phone and update are you on?
A quick, potential work around, is using another dialer / contact app other than the built in one. Go Dialer, ExDialer, and PixelPhone all come to mind.
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Hmm. Sounds frustrating.I dunno about it being a default behavior. It doesn't happen on my phone, so can not recreate issue to see what's up. Are you going back to it after awhile, or like you just pop in another app and right back and it's back to the top of the list? I'm thinking maybe the system is being aggressive on the RAM front and shutting the app down if you are out of it for too long. If that is the case, then rooting and adjustin the memory management might be necessary. What phone and update are you on?
A quick, potential work around, is using another dialer / contact app other than the built in one. Go Dialer, ExDialer, and PixelPhone all come to mind.
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thanks but not interested in a quick workaround involving other apps, especially closed source. i build my own system so i can patch it if it there is no other solution.
not a RAM issue, my 2GB device has plenty of it free.
yes, go out, right back in, and u land in the contact list again.
but... maybe i wasnt clear enough. if i switch back using the recent apps mechanism, it does return to the opened contact. the problem is when i switch back clicking the icon in the home screen or the app in the app drawer. the default behavior of android apps when u "open" them is to continue where you left off. this is both baked in the framework and also recommended by google. but as it happens with the People app which returns to the contact list, much of android and google apps break the recommended practices, probably in an effort to cause less confusion for android newbies or grandmas.
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this sucks! im not a grandma yet. and, i wish google got this, if google has to break the recommended practices to make android usable, then the recommended practices ARE FLAWED!
and yes they are. android sucks terribly in task switching usability. there is NO WAY to multitask as the master and owner of the device. there is no way to force on apps what you want to happen, no way to do what you want. the back key should take you to the previous activity, which may be a different app. but so many apps even coded by google take you to the main activity in the current app instead, causing that if you say open a notification, you'll have to hit back maybe many times to go back to your previous app, if you ever arrive there. btw, apps can override the back key to do anything else or even nothing which is crap.
the recent apps thingy works sometimes and other times it doesnt. since an app can launch an activity from another app in its own activity stack, you cant go back using recent apps because for android you never left the first app (although you did). and then you can only press back, except back might not take you back where you were at all!
there is no way to multitask in any predictable way. you have to learn per-app quirks and see what they let you do and what they don't. there is no way to a priori know what a tasking key will do, which is complete crap.
also under many situations android will forget what you were doing with cross app invocations (and this is PER ANDROID DESIGN) when you invoke twice activities of a single app from different apps.
the only key that works consistently is the home hey. and if from there you want to go back to an app you can't, because some apps -like People- choose to misbehave if clicked from the icon and may do what they want, like forgetting context and loosing your "work".
android's tasking system sucks horribly. i only use android because there's nothing better thats mature enough.
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So I like the big battery in this phone, but I hate that when I open an app, and it loads (facebook for example), then I get an incoming email, so I tap the notification to open and read my email, the phone closes/ends my fb app. When I go back to fb, it re-launches the app all over again. It's annoying when I'm in the middle of something, and it'll force-close and lose everything I was typing. I've enabled dev options, and see an option in there for apps "Don't keep activities" (destroy every activity as soon as the user leaves it) which sounds like exactly what is happening, but this option is disabled. I've disabled every possible battery saver option I can find.
Anyone know where else to look? You wouldn't think it'd be a big thing, but it's really annoying having to spend extra time re-launching every single app as opposed to just switching between them already launched.
Thanks in advance!
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So I like the big battery in this phone, but I hate that when I open an app, and it loads (facebook for example), then I get an incoming email, so I tap the notification to open and read my email, the phone closes/ends my fb app. When I go back to fb, it re-launches the app all over again. It's annoying when I'm in the middle of something, and it'll force-close and lose everything I was typing. I've enabled dev options, and see an option in there for apps "Don't keep activities" (destroy every activity as soon as the user leaves it) which sounds like exactly what is happening, but this option is disabled. I've disabled every possible battery saver option I can find.
Anyone know where else to look? You wouldn't think it'd be a big thing, but it's really annoying having to spend extra time re-launching every single app as opposed to just switching between them already launched.
Thanks in advance!
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I am using Ruthless Pixel launcher, from here xda, and I haven't got this problem. May be you have to disable the DuraSpeed from Settings.
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I tried a different launcher. I'll try the one you use. I've even had problems with the launcher having to "restart" and when I go back to the homescreen, it takes several seconds for that to load.
same problem here, every battery saver option disabeled, duraspeed off, and everything that i need to to i did in the developer options, but literally every app reboots after i switch to an other. any news on how to get rid of it?
I've switched between several different launchers. This isn't a launcher problem. It's a phone software problem.
radi0chik said:
So I like the big battery in this phone, but I hate that when I open an app, and it loads (facebook for example), then I get an incoming email, so I tap the notification to open and read my email, the phone closes/ends my fb app. When I go back to fb, it re-launches the app all over again. It's annoying when I'm in the middle of something, and it'll force-close and lose everything I was typing. I've enabled dev options, and see an option in there for apps "Don't keep activities" (destroy every activity as soon as the user leaves it) which sounds like exactly what is happening, but this option is disabled. I've disabled every possible battery saver option I can find.
Anyone know where else to look? You wouldn't think it'd be a big thing, but it's really annoying having to spend extra time re-launching every single app as opposed to just switching between them already launched.
Thanks in advance!
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I'm running Nova Launcher and see what you're talking about...if you leave a Facebook post you're working on open, then go to research something else, even though the draft post is there on screen when you scroll for it, the post will close and re-open before you can edit it again, wiping out the draft. A bug that needs to be fixed, indeed. The weirder thing is, after looking at it some more, is that it isn't easy to consistently replicate. Weird, indeed.
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I'm running Nova Launcher and see what you're talking about...if you leave a Facebook post you're working on open, then go to research something else, even though the draft post is there on screen when you scroll for it, the post will close and re-open before you can edit it again, wiping out the draft. A bug that needs to be fixed, indeed. The weirder thing is, after looking at it some more, is that it isn't easy to consistently replicate. Weird, indeed.
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So I packaged my phone up last night and shipped it back this morning. But a buddy of mine MAY have figured out how to make it work. Go to Duraspeed and ENABLE it. Then ENABLE the apps (or all apps) that you want to STAY ALIVE in the background. See if that allows them to all run, yeah, like making a fb post type thing. Report back. I may have to go buy it again!
I have ZimLX and no issue with background apps.
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So I packaged my phone up last night and shipped it back this morning. But a buddy of mine MAY have figured out how to make it work. Go to Duraspeed and ENABLE it. Then ENABLE the apps (or all apps) that you want to STAY ALIVE in the background. See if that allows them to all run, yeah, like making a fb post type thing. Report back. I may have to go buy it again!
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That only helps a little bit, if you switch between tw games, or a game than check facebook and then whatzapp, the game resets. Also if you like switch to 3 different apps, they usually reset and get force closed from the systhem.
Also if you turn on duraspeed, youtube vanced gets forceclosed, even when it is allowed in duraspeed.
So what i do right now is enable duraspeed and the app that i want and whenever i wanna hear music in the background, i have to disable duraspeed.
Also, it is a real dealbreaker right now, it´s just way to buggy.
it seems like they programmed a way too harsh task kille in on purpose to give a longe battery life.
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monoculero said:
I am using Ruthless Pixel launcher, from here xda, and I haven't got this problem. May be you have to disable the DuraSpeed from Settings.
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Not true, everyone has these problems nomather what launcher, it is a software problem.
Usually everyone has tryed to disable duraspeed of course and whatnot.
This problem/bug is really annoying. It makes me hate the phone to be honest.
How/who do we report this too?
Try here - https://community.umidigi.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=210
From what I've seen, Umidigi employees monitor and are active in their Forums, so hopefully someone will pay attention.
I have ZimXL and no issues with background apps closing. Are you on the latest ROM?
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I have ZimXL and no issues with background apps closing. Are you on the latest ROM?
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obviously we habe the lastest rom and every user has that problem it is a rom problem.
Also, what is a zim xl, google gives nothing about that.
I had a few apps do screwy things with the powersaver on , and it would be a few. Kroger app would crash and would not work until you uninstall and reinstall it. Att Uverse app, when you login it give a message about allow permissions, it had all, anything that need the gps. if I turn off the power saver I do not have those issues.
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obviously we habe the lastest rom and every user has that problem it is a rom problem.
Also, what is a zim xl, google gives nothing about that.
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[Edit]Actually this doesn't work well. A couple posts down is my fix that works.
I logged in after a while to post this! This is a reply to you and op and anyone else having this "problem". Thanks to this forum post, I found a solution. I think it's an ingenious design they created. If you want every app to run in the background, *enable Duraspeed and enable all apps* in the top right corner. Then, *Reboot your phone*.
After you do this, the phone will magically be as fast as it should again. It's like I rebought a phone 100x better then what I was using .
The ingenious part of it is, if you don't want certain apps running in the background then Disable them! (you'll probably have to reboot for any change to be applied)
I love this design and I am now back in love with my Umidigi F1 , hope this helps everyone.
i sold it like 3 months ago and fixed a broken note 9 for cheap. my friend who owns the f1 since then still has this issue even when he tried your fix.
also another friend who owns a f1 play has this issue since the last update he had, he even newly installed / whiped it and so on, seems like umidigi just has problems with theis software and also it seems like it only affects a few people.
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i sold it like 3 months ago and fixed a broken note 9 for cheap. my friend who owns the f1 since then still has this issue even when he tried your fix.
also another friend who owns a f1 play has this issue since the last update he had, he even newly installed / whiped it and so on, seems like umidigi just has problems with theis software and also it seems like it only affects a few people.
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Hello, I agree. The fix wasn't 100%.
So here is the official fix, and once again it makes sense. (You might have to enable developer mode)
Go to your apps/notifications in settings, select an app, under the app click advanced, Battery, then battery Optimizations. Under that page go through your apps and disable optimizations for apps you want to stay on in the background.
Found this out and it works.
Actually figured it out once I read your post
If it doesn't work, reboot your phone.
Still doesn't work, do this along with duraspeed on the selected apps.
Still doesn't work, might just be the app. (Some of my games still don't stay in memory)
It's working good for me now, but if I wanted more apps to stay open I'd check developer settings and turn Max apps to keep in memory to the highest amount.
and I agree, it's a bit unpolished. Probably something to do with their battery optimizations and Android's not being compatable.
Tried several methods and nothing truly works. Your best bet is to flash a GSI/rom. Or just root the phone and install "ram fix by cork" magisk mod. I'm using the latter method and it works fine.
Yep the software itself has far too aggressive memory management despite it having 4Gb of RAM and kills apps far too quickly.
I complained about it to UMIDIGI support and they said go buy an F2.
What i did was used this forum to install Lineage OS and now have no memory issues
Either install a GSI (I suggest LOSQ) or download RAM Management Fix by Crock if you can find it, it's not in Magisk anymore.