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from http://galaxys2.samsungmobile.com/html/feature.html it looks like it won't be...
On Device Encryption
Play it safe with a security solution that enables the protection of mobile data without the need to sacrifice speed and functionality. The Samsung GALAXY S II is the first Android smartphone to adopt powerful encrypted hardware, minimizing the use of security software and applying encryption technology to the hardware itself, greatly accelerating security protection and achieving superior performance
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this looks like a bit of a deal-breaker given samsungs poor update schedule.
I really hope they're not talking about an encrypted bootloader, although I seriously doubt they would state that as a feature.
sold my n8 1 month back and waiting for s2 with nokia 6300 and 3120 classic in my hand. so its better to wait buddy
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from http://galaxys2.samsungmobile.com/html/feature.html it looks like it won't be...
this looks like a bit of a deal-breaker given samsungs poor update schedule.
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This is about the functionality targeted at improving security for integrated business applications.
However, The issue as I see it is that if they do not also lock bootloader and ability to install custom root-level stuff out using hardware encryption, then any hardware encryption of user-space stuff is pointless. I predict they either lock it, or if they're clever, to diffuse hackers and modders interest in cracking the encryption they might allow you to unlock it at cost of removing the ability to integrate with business apps. (or other way around or poss with a sandbox of some kind)
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I predict they either lock it, or if they're clever, to diffuse hackers and modders interest in cracking the encryption they might allow you to unlock it at cost of removing the ability to integrate with business apps
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of those two options, which one offers the fastest turnaround to market, so therefore cheaper to produce and faster to make money from? i wouldn't doubt samsung to completely lock this.
which imo goes against androids openness. you may as well have a custom crappy samsung operating system on it that's semi-compatible with android.
i thought google wanted to clamp down on skins completely? or is that just for tablets?
MarkusPO said:
of those two options, which one offers the fastest turnaround to market, so therefore cheaper to produce and faster to make money from? i wouldn't doubt samsung to completely lock this.
which imo goes against androids openness. you may as well have a custom crappy samsung operating system on it that's semi-compatible with android.
i thought google wanted to clamp down on skins completely? or is that just for tablets?
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It's true that it's probably cheaper, but at the same time not as many will buy it, so in the end it might be a loss to them.
Of course it will be flashable...theres nothing we cant set free on xda... ..really...dont worry about it.
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rixsta said:
Of course it will be flashable...theres nothing we cant set free on xda... ..really...dont worry about it.
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I'm assuming you don't own a Milestone or a Droid X
Guys could it be possible that s2 might have nand lock plus encrypted bootloader? Any ideas?
If it is the case then it will spell lotz of trouble for us as then even rooting will be a trouble....
And if by encrypted hardware.....does that mean that it will be difficult to find suitable drivers which will make cheating the bootloader difficult and also voids the kexec method employed in bypassing the x10 bootloader?
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Of course it will be flashable...theres nothing we cant set free on xda... ..really...dont worry about it.
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Or an atrix.......
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I gave a look at xda threads of those two phones. Everything you can dream of is availlable (last RC4 of cyanogenmod 7, among a lot of other roms).
For what I understood, the only real issue is modified kernels?
If this is the kind of limitation we are talking about, that's fine with me.
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I gave a look at xda threads of those two phones. Everything you can dream of is availlable (last RC4 of cyanogenmod 7, among a lot of other roms).
For what I understood, the only real issue is modified kernels?
If this is the kind of limitation we are talking about, that's fine with me.
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Without kernel voodoo sound, bln, etc are not possible.
qsdf55 said:
I gave a look at xda threads of those two phones. Everything you can dream of is availlable (last RC4 of cyanogenmod 7, among a lot of other roms).
For what I understood, the only real issue is modified kernels?
If this is the kind of limitation we are talking about, that's fine with me.
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No custom kernels is a HUGE problem. Kernels are written for specific android versions. You can't run Android 2.3 (or even 2.2) on a 2.1 kernel (we had this problem with the motorola milestone). This means you have to wait till the manufacturer starts developing or else you are STUCK. So really, it is a huge limitation. Also, if the manufacturer doesn't support things like a swap partition, you will never be able to get it.
Maybe ASUS should implement this function and make it high priority? Since they're finding ways to fix all these problems, there's gonna be plenty of updates for trial and error. I don't know if a lot of people are willing to go through this roller coaster as updates did break some. Not just ASUS small updates but also OS update from HC to ICS. I think it's really critical as Android is still buggy, not to mention the newly born iCS.
Add to that, got all these apps that aren't in control of Google or ASUS. Could wreck havoc. Although if users pay attention, can remove whichever newly installed app that causes problem but hard to keep track at times.
Even MS Windows until now still having similar problem. Some updates just wouldn't play nice so I did a system restore and not install those until newer ones come along.
Just my thought.
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Maybe ASUS should implement this function and make it high priority? Since they're finding ways to fix all these problems, there's gonna be plenty of updates for trial and error. I don't know if a lot of people are willing to go through this roller coaster as updates did break some. Not just ASUS small updates but also OS update from HC to ICS. I think it's really critical as Android is still buggy, not to mention the newly born iCS.
Add to that, got all these apps that aren't in control of Google or ASUS. Could wreck havoc. Although if users pay attention, can remove whichever newly installed app that causes problem but hard to keep track at times.
Even MS Windows until now still having similar problem. Some updates just wouldn't play nice so I did a system restore and not install those until newer ones come along.
Just my thought.
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Yup, this would be nice. At least people are not going to be afraid on what will happen to their primes if they update. But I doubt itll happen...
Not official, and need root, but here some guys downgraded to.11, method described :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1492887
I meant to say for the mass that got no clue how to do this. A lot I know went for iPad/iPhone because of simplicity and had trouble getting used to BB or Android products, so this method will not help them.
Need to implement a System Restore, just like System Update, as part of it.
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Not official, and need root, but here some guys downgraded to.11, method described :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1492887
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One guy. I don't know that I would suggest people jump to trying this based on that, but obviously people are welcome to do whatever they want.
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One guy. I don't know that I would suggest people jump to trying this based on that, but obviously people are welcome to do whatever they want.
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I've actually done the downgrade successfully as well. I agree with you though it's not something I would recommend especially if they don't atlease have some level working knowledge of ADB otherwise they could brick thier Prime.
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I've actually done the downgrade successfully as well. I agree with you though it's not something I would recommend especially if they don't atlease have some level working knowledge of ADB otherwise they could brick thier Prime.
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Fair enough. I would still caution others as well. Since we don't have a real recovery method yet, this has potential to be dangerous.
I am NOT looking forward to the ICS update. I use Flash all over the place in my browsers. Everything from animated local radar feeds to youtube vids (I hate the youtube app) to FB games, I use it quite a lot. Most of you already know Adobe is discontinuing their support for their mobile Flash plugin (No support after Android 4.0.9). And I see Flash isnt working even on a lot of hand sets with 4.0.3. Just blank screens or an Error saying you need to instal even though you reinstalled like 3 times. HTML5 or not, theres still a LOT of pages and apps that rely on Flash to work. You cant just suddenly yank it out of users hands. Give people the support to continue to view Flash on their favored websites while the HTML5 transition slowly occurs. What they are doing is irrational..more irresponsible and corporate bullish. Of course this move needs to occur, but suddenly dropping support while an entire web of Flash content remains and not to forget the forced OTA updates into versions of Androis that Flash dont even work on........really Adobe?... :/
Sorry..just a rant
Works fine on the leak, why would it change?
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Honestly, the faster the internet is rid of flash, the better. It's outdated and often takes a lot of system resources. It's time for the open formats to take advantage.
dogswind said:
Honestly, the faster the internet is rid of flash, the better. It's outdated and often takes a lot of system resources. It's time for the open formats to take advantage.
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Yep, let's get the cross-platform plug-in out of the way so the dozen unique snowflakes can all have their own glitchy interpretation of the non-standard HTML5
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Yep, let's get the cross-platform plug-in out of the way so the dozen unique snowflakes can all have their own glitchy interpretation of the non-standard HTML5
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Any modern browser on all the same systems will support HTML5 all the same. Do you honestly think flash is gonna last much longer with Adobe coming out in support of HTML5?
“HTML5 is now universally supported on major mobile devices, in some cases exclusively,” Adobe VP Danny Winokur said in a clear reference to Apple’s rejection of Flash support on its dominant iOS devices: the iPad, iPhone and iPod touch. “This makes HTML5 the best solution for creating and deploying content in the browser across mobile platforms. We are excited about this, and will continue our work with key players in the HTML community, including Google, Apple, Microsoft and RIM, to drive HTML5 innovation they can use to advance their mobile browsers.”
Now sure, HTML5 development has not progressed as all had hoped, but it's clear that everyone is looking to drop flash like a bad habit as soon as possible.
Seriously....HTML5 is slow. Look at the mobile Facebook site. Thats entirely based on HTML5. Glitchy and lags...at least it does for me. But regardless if FLASH has to be discontinued or not, it should be done in a smooth transition. My sis got the ICS update on her Droid Razor MAXX and Flash no longer works.
It works fine on the current ICS/Sense 3.6 leaks on the Rezound.
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It works fine on the current ICS/Sense 3.6 leaks on the Rezound.
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Yeah there isn't any reason it shouldn't work on the official ota
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Seriously....HTML5 is slow. Look at the mobile Facebook site. Thats entirely based on HTML5. Glitchy and lags...at least it does for me. But regardless if FLASH has to be discontinued or not, it should be done in a smooth transition. My sis got the ICS update on her Droid Razor MAXX and Flash no longer works.
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I don't use Facebook much and will probably delete it soon anyway. I just checked the mobile site and it seems to be a lot less glitchy than the damn dedicated Android app. I can rarely view a picture full screen in it.
But anyway, it should still be working for 4.0 devices. After searching around, it appears flash was intentionally disabled by Motorola in the MAXX update. The workaround is to delete or freeze an app called Flash Uninstall, then uninstall flash and reinstall. If her phone is rooted, you can try that out.
When I first flashed ICS I was having problems with flash not working also until I realized I had to enable it in the browser settings.
Lol? ICS has flash...?
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Another ics thread
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Not trying to be a douche or anything but anytime that anybody posts anything about ics in the general section, you're always the first to jump on it saying, "It's just another ics thread" when this hasn't even been discussed before on this forum.
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Not trying to be a douche or anything but anytime that anybody posts anything about ics in the general section, you're always the first to jump on it saying, "It's just another ics thread" when this hasn't even been discussed before on this forum.
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Its just there's sooooooo many of them now
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Its just there's sooooooo many of them now
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But GB is about to be old news
n00bs
AshtonTS said:
Its just there's sooooooo many of them now
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True. But that's to blame on the noobies who don't search before posting. :laugh:
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True. But that's to blame on the noobies who don't search before posting. :laugh:
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True lol :laugh:
I just installed Firefox 14 and Adobe Flash to my Nexus 7. It works fine.
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But GB is about to be old news
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About to be? It has been for some time now........
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About to be? It has been for some time now........
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Technically, the majority of the rezounds are running gb still. ICS hasn't been released yet, just "leaked".
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I bought a Meizu MX4 MT6595 OCta Core model M641 Flyme OS 4.0.2U , Thought it would be great purchase. It seems I was unprepared for how new this phone is and the lack of information on how to optimize it for a US user. I cant update the OS to the Newer version of Flyme OS , though I would prefer to replace the OS with something US friendly. ALso cant install anything because the package installer crashes with everything. I have purchase protection on the phone for one more week, should I just return the phone? Or will their be ROM's available soon to replace FLyme? I like to learn technology is it possible for a novice to learn how to hack a phone and port an available ROM onto a Chinese phone? Or is this something extremely difficult and time consuming? Really just looking for some advice from the informed/ knowledgeable.
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I bought a Meizu MX4 MT6595 OCta Core model M641 Flyme OS 4.0.2U , Thought it would be great purchase. It seems I was unprepared for how new this phone is and the lack of information on how to optimize it for a US user. I cant update the OS to the Newer version of Flyme OS , though I would prefer to replace the OS with something US friendly. ALso cant install anything because the package installer crashes with everything. I have purchase protection on the phone for one more week, should I just return the phone? Or will their be ROM's available soon to replace FLyme? I like to learn technology is it possible for a novice to learn how to hack a phone and port an available ROM onto a Chinese phone? Or is this something extremely difficult and time consuming? Really just looking for some advice from the informed/ knowledgeable.
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China devices are the worst to learn on as there is no kernel source for the device and moat avoid these devices. So you will have to take it on yourself if you want something. Yes it is time consuming and will have a learning curve.
Just got the phone and love it..
You should be able to update Flyme by finding 'upgrade' in your app drawer, but even after the upgrade its just a bit better.
The most current version is 4.0.3i
Not a big fan of Flyme ,I find it very buggy.
Im hoping for a cm rom of some sort. Would love to see something like the version on the onePlus .
LTE works with Rogers and Bell in Canada..
I like the phone as well I have tried the button in the panel to upgrade click it says android settings com has stopped, tried turning it off and upgrading from zip with zip stored in root directory, got nothing. Tried 4.0.3A ,4.0.3i, 4.03U also and everytime it says corrupted. My firmware version is 4.0.2 U . Tried lots of different ways to try and get google services on it and nothing happens. SOme apps from the app store installed like facebook and evernote. So kinda of feeling a little silly about purchasing this phone because the price vs hardware was spectacular. But I cant get everything I want to use on it. Looking for maybe some trouble shooting from experienced users or reassurance that i didnt just make a retarded mistake purchasing a phone i wont ever be able to use an i should just wait until developer community tackles these problems. Though dont know if that will matter if I can never update the thing. I am using windows 8 could could that be causing issues with upgrading my phone over the wire? Or should I try a .bin file ?
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I like the phone as well I have tried the button in the panel to upgrade click it says android settings com has stopped, tried turning it off and upgrading from zip with zip stored in root directory, got nothing. Tried 4.0.3A ,4.0.3i, 4.03U also and everytime it says corrupted. My firmware version is 4.0.2 U . Tried lots of different ways to try and get google services on it and nothing happens. SOme apps from the app store installed like facebook and evernote. So kinda of feeling a little silly about purchasing this phone because the price vs hardware was spectacular. But I cant get everything I want to use on it. Looking for maybe some trouble shooting from experienced users or reassurance that i didnt just make a retarded mistake purchasing a phone i wont ever be able to use an i should just wait until developer community tackles these problems. Though dont know if that will matter if I can never update the thing. I am using windows 8 could could that be causing issues with upgrading my phone over the wire? Or should I try a .bin file ?
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I hate to say it but your gonna be out of luck. Developers dont touch these devices. They seldom follow the GPL or have unlocked bootloaders and as they are mainly sold in China which doesnt have agreements set up with google in alot of places it is really a pain to get google services running. We have a forum for it but it has been long dead.
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I hate to say it but your gonna be out of luck. Developers dont touch these devices. They seldom follow the GPL or have unlocked bootloaders and as they are mainly sold in China which doesnt have agreements set up with google in alot of places it is really a pain to get google services running. We have a forum for it but it has been long dead.
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Well ill definitely try returning it then go with something a little closer to home. The Hardware vs price sucked me into buying it . What is a good deal on a phone right now? XDA developers favorite phone ? easiest to learn best one to modify. In hindsight probably should have tried finding this forum first rather than after I put money down on a phone but live and learn.
Give this a try.. crap...not letting me post a link...
google 'upgrading flyme to 4.0.3i' and the first link will give you some clear instruction and alternatives to get you going
Hi everyone,
I can't find a satisfactory answer on my favorite search engines, so I thought I'd come here and ask. Sorry if this question has already been put on the table, carved, sliced and gobbled, I couldn't find trace of it in the forum's search engine either.
My phone's a Leagoo T5c that will forever be stuck on Android 7.0, it seems, because the OEM has already lost interest, and because its SoC makes it difficult, if not downright impossible, to find a suitable custom ROM.
The latest ROM I could find and install on this phone goes back to August of 2018 (no-no, no typos), and its Security Update is even one month older (July 2018).
My question is in the title: Is it possible to install Security Updates without reinstalling/updating/upgrading the firmware itself, like you would in, say, Windows or any other OS, I presume?
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Hi everyone,
I can't find a satisfactory answer on my favorite search engines, so I thought I'd come here and ask. Sorry if this question has already been put on the table, carved, sliced and gobbled, I couldn't find trace of it in the forum's search engine either.
My phone's a Leagoo T5c that will forever be stuck on Android 7.0, it seems, because the OEM has already lost interest, and because its SoC makes it difficult, if not downright impossible, to find a suitable custom ROM.
The latest ROM I could find and install on this phone goes back to August of 2018 (no-no, no typos), and its Security Update is even one month older (July 2018).
My question is in the title: Is it possible to install Security Updates without reinstalling/updating/upgrading the firmware itself, like you would in, say, Windows or any other OS, I presume?
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With android 10 were introduced Google play security updates that lets you received security updates (not all of them unfortunately, some requires to upgrade) without updating the full OS. You can't do it because you're stuck with the wrong Android version
Hopefully you won't have any issues with hacking but consider buying a new phone when you'll get a chance
Security updates get rolled out as OTA by OEM/Carrier if they consider it's necessary. You can't force it. Theoretically, all Android smartphones should get around two years of security updates. However, the reality is often very different.
The Leagoo T5c is a small-budget phone what was sold for 99 USD - so more or less a disposable item. You cannot expect OEM/Carrier to have any interest in providing updates for such a phone.
Thank you both for your explanations. I understand that Android works differently when it comes to updating itself, mostly because Google isn't the only party to have a voice in the chapter; still, it's unnerving to see that the end-user is more or less captive anyway.
It kinda defeats the very purpose of an open-source OS, to have to wait for an OEM to release (or not) an update, when you could install the patches yourself.
As for buying another phone, well, as soon as I've got the dough, I will, believe me. Not because I'm dissatisfied with this one, but because I don't like the idea of totting around with a phone that hasn't seen a security update in over two years.
I'm also seriously considering moving to Ubuntu Touch, though there again, my phone's exotic platform could be problematic. Custom ROMs seems to be as complicated an avenue as others, too.
All in all, Android isn't what they sold me: It's not secure, it's not "free", it's just another way to make you shell out bucks for new hardware every couple years.
Android is just iOS without the eye-candy, you ask me...
UglyStuff said:
Thank you both for your explanations. I understand that Android works differently when it comes to updating itself, mostly because Google isn't the only party to have a voice in the chapter; still, it's unnerving to see that the end-user is more or less captive anyway.
It kinda defeats the very purpose of an open-source OS, to have to wait for an OEM to release (or not) an update, when you could install the patches yourself.
As for buying another phone, well, as soon as I've got the dough, I will, believe me. Not because I'm dissatisfied with this one, but because I don't like the idea of totting around with a phone that hasn't seen a security update in over two years.
I'm also seriously considering moving to Ubuntu Touch, though there again, my phone's exotic platform could be problematic. Custom ROMs seems to be as complicated an avenue as others, too.
All in all, Android isn't what they sold me: It's not secure, it's not "free", it's just another way to make you shell out bucks for new hardware every couple years.
Android is just iOS without the eye-candy, you ask me...
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Android isn't iOS precisely because you can break free from your OEM by flashing a custom ROM. You can develop one for almost any device as long as the OEM releases the kernel source code. And most OEM do (expect for some very unknown phones).
Custom ROMs like GrapheneOS are made to free you from google Services and are truly privacy oriented. And all of that is possible because Android is open source.
Trust me, the Android community has always worked actively to counter aging of their devices (including me).
Just buy a phone with a solid community behind and you'll be able to keep it up to date a looong time
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Android isn't iOS precisely because you can break free from your OEM by flashing a custom ROM. You can develop one for almost any device as long as the OEM releases the kernel source code. And most OEM do (expect for some very unknown phones).
Custom ROMs like GrapheneOS are made to free you from google Services and are truly privacy oriented. And all of that is possible because Android is open source.
Trust me, the Android community has always worked actively to counter aging of their devices (including me).
Just buy a phone with a solid community behind and you'll be able to keep it up to date a looong time
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I agree with you in principle, but if I must take an example: I have this Early 2006 MacBook Pro with a Core Duo CPU that precludes me from even installing Mac OS X 10.7 "Lion" on it, because the CPU is 32-bit-only, and Lion requires a 64-bit CPU.
The machine itself works very well, albeit a bit slowly, but then it's got only 2 GB of RAM and a 120-GB SSD. When I got fed-up with OS X applications not updating/upgrading and Firefox addons not installing because my copy of Firefox was too old, I partitioned the SSD, installed rEFInd as boot manager, and installed Zorin 15.2 (now 15.3) Lite 32-bit.
I now spend more time on the Linux side of this Mac than on the OS X side, and updating/upgrading it is a breeze, either via the dedicated application or in Terminal. I know there'll be an end-of-the-line there too, someday, but at least I'll keep using this Mac until it truly dies on me, not when Apple tells me it's dead.
This, for me, is the very essence of open-source: Not just the fact that it's free, but that you can revive an old machine and keep it running long after Apple et al have decided that it had gone the way of the dinosaurs.
The same doesn't apply to Android, alas. Here, you must have a compatible SoC/chipset/what-have-you, a Treble-compatible device, you must have this, you must have that...
In the end, only a fraction of Android users really get to enjoy everything their device has to offer for as long as they choose; the others just pop into the nearest phone store, be it brick-and-mortar or cyber, and must produce their credit card.
My question was as much a challenge to myself as anything else. I would really like to learn how Android works, but the tutorials and articles I've found here and there are all a bit cryptic.
That's why I'm regularly prowling this forum, I guess.
"Hunting high and low", as the song goes... :laugh:
yep, good question but google & manufactures are in it for the moola not the users 2 yr old phone.
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yep, good question but google & manufactures are in it for the moola not the users 2 yr old phone.
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Don't I know it! It's true that even budget phones have decent specs nowadays, still, why dump a perfectly functioning phone simply because you can't update/upgrade the software?
I understand Google's rationale, of course: They invest tons of money year after year after year to keep the whole boat afloat, and they need a steady income. OK. Still, to not be able to keep your phone ***safe*** is a no-go for me.
I'm seriously beginning to think about installing Ubuntu Touch on the device. I think I'm going to try that next weekend.
I'll probably come back here with my eyes red, asking for help in unbricking my phone, though.
Stay tuned! :good:
A followup, if you are mindful of your own security it's conceivable to get more usage of that android. I don't use a banking app, but if need be use a good browser( thats updated of course) And update all often used apps via playstore. I'm still running Oreo on my phone. FYI you iOS ppl need to do critical updates asap