Just a quick comment, FWIW...
There was a time, when I was more of a noob than I am now, that I used to smirk at people who said they always wiped cache and data 2 or 3 times between loading different ROMs. I thought they were being a little anal - after all, a wipe's a wipe.
I've since learned differently. Recently I had a nasty FC problem that just wouldn't go away until I wiped data three times and then reflashed my ROM. Don't know why, but it works sometimes when nothing else will.
I thought it was anal too haha
I wipe 2 times before a flash.
Its weird how things work
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Robin M said:
Just a quick comment, FWIW...
There was a time, when I was more of a noob than I am now, that I used to smirk at people who said they always wiped cache and data 2 or 3 times between loading different ROMs. I thought they were being a little anal - after all, a wipe's a wipe.
I've since learned differently. Recently I had a nasty FC problem that just wouldn't go away until I wiped data three times and then reflashed my ROM. Don't know why, but it works sometimes when nothing else will.
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Cvpcs wrote a great blog on wiping. I too have had nasty fc issues w/ our current recovery. You would think if it's not wiping correctly then 50 wipes would still produce the same bad wipe. I mean, the code doesn't change w/ each wipe we perform
Never had an issue with other recoveries on older phones. Properly written cwmr shouldn't need to wipe more than once b/c the code will only do what it's written to do. Improper coding leads to improper wiping. Just my $.02
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Cvpcs wrote a great blog on wiping. I too have had nasty fc issues w/ our current recovery. You would think if it's not wiping correctly then 50 wipes would still produce the same bad wipe. I mean, the code doesn't change w/ each wipe we perform
Never had an issue with other recoveries on older phones. Properly written cwmr shouldn't need to wipe more than once b/c the code will only do what it's written to do. Improper coding leads to improper wiping. Just my $.02
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Well its a hacked version of CWM so its not as developed and refined.
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Well its a hacked version of CWM so its not as developed and refined.
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Right, but if one wipe fails to wipe correctly do you suppose the second will clean up what it missed? I don't think code has become self aware of mistakes.
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All I know is I always wipe data 3 times andncache/dalvik twice each.
And have never had 99% of the.problems I see others having after flashes such as FCs and all...unless it was a known bug everyone was experience.
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All I know is I always wipe data 3 times andncache/dalvik twice each.
And have never had 99% of the.problems I see others having after flashes such as FCs and all...unless it was a known bug everyone was experience.
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Too many don't wipe anything and clutter threads. :/
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Right, but if one wipe fails to wipe correctly do you suppose the second will clean up what it missed? I don't think code has become self aware of mistakes.
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Maybe not, but there is less chance of irritation (pun intended).
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Here is more irritation : I ran 234update.zip from stock 233 recovery FOUR TIMES w/o leaving recovery. 1st: got a status (0) and stopped. 2nd correct status err and went faster. 3rd went fastest. 4th no more speedup.
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Maybe not, but there is less chance of irritation (pun intended).
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Glad I'm not the only one laughing at this entire thread of puns of whiping, being anal about doing it over and over and wiping again!
You guys are right though, everytime a wipe is done, seems the later ones are much faster.
Apparently the more you wipe, the cleaner you get, it get's easier it is to wipe again.
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Apparently the more you wipe, the cleaner you get, and the easier it is to wipe again.
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Yeah, that was my point. It's definetly a progressive action. Very strange. I wudda thought like XOdus, that the code would do exactly the same thing each time.
The puns are fun.
They get faster b/c there's nothing else to wipe from the directory. My final post here.
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The puns are fun.
They get faster b/c there's nothing else to wipe from the directory. My final post here.
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Of course. But all punning aside, the point he was making is that they get progressively faster, indicating that not all is cleared with earlier wipes. There's no denying that multiple wipes can clear up sticky problems. Even if the reason is "bad code", that's still strange.
CVPCS Blog entry:
http://cvpcs.org/blog/2011-06-05/time_to_wipe_data/cache
I only wipe once with our recovery and only once have I had an issue. I simply reflashed the ROM and it went away.
I bet he wiped the second time though. So he wiped twice
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CVPCS Blog entry:
http://cvpcs.org/blog/2011-06-05/time_to_wipe_data/cache
I only wipe once with our recovery and only once have I had an issue. I simply reflashed the ROM and it went away.
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I hear ya. The blog article makes perfect sense. Hard to argue with the logic expressed there. And yet... experience tells me otherwise. As I said in the OP, I resenctly had a persistent FC problem with a system file - may have been ProgramMenuSystem.apk, can't remember for sure. Re-loaded my nandroid (that was fine before). While anyone would fully expect that to reslove the problem, the problem continued. Wiped again and re-flashed same version of my ROM. Problem still there. Wiped three times and re-flashed ROM again. Problem gone and never re-appeared.
I cannot explain why wiping data three times eliminated the problem that persisted even after wiping and re-flashing. Yet it did. Go figure.
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I cannot explain why wiping data three times eliminated the problem that persisted even after wiping and re-flashing. Yet it did. Go figure.
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Technology can be the best and it's the worst crap ever at times, isn't it? Haha Ya think you have something figured out and logical then blam!
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Maybe not, but there is less chance of irritation (pun intended).
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I think the direction of said wipe also needs to be mentioned. Front to back or back to front?
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I was rocking the latest perfect storm rom saw that a new lighting rom released. Downloaded, wipe data cache flashed. Loaded up fine except no data, tried toggling airplane mode...nada. booted in recovery wiped davlik and battery stats, restored ...same thing. Restored back to perfect storm...no data. Any advice to why this happened. Phone was perfect before I crakflashed
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Have you made sure that the mobile internet is activated?
also, might be a good idea to post the topic in development section. but i havent had any problems switching between the two ROMs
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I was rocking the latest perfect storm rom saw that a new lighting rom released. Downloaded, wipe data cache flashed. Loaded up fine except no data, tried toggling airplane mode...nada. booted in recovery wiped davlik and battery stats, restored ...same thing. Restored back to perfect storm...no data. Any advice to why this happened. Phone was perfect before I crakflashed
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Bump this I am having the same exact issue today on my HeroC going between ROMs. Did you get this fixed? None of my nandroids even have data =(
Nothing worked, pretty sure one of the beta kernals broke the radio between flashes. Final result had my phone replaced
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Nothing worked, pretty sure one of the beta kernals broke the radio between flashes. Final result had my phone replaced
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Dude, people on this site are not going to release kernels that will f up your phone. Next time you should probably do a little more research before you trade in your phone for a new one.
Patience is a virtue for most, but when its your primary line and data is f'd up I'm not going to wait. Research at the time was non existent for this matter. I had a new phone in 10hrs when I requested replacement. A dev suggested reflashing the stock radio and re rooting the device to restore data, this didn't take. Its flasher beware, something everybody knows. Devs even post this in the beginning of all threads. Everybody's phone reacts differently to each rom, kernal, radio, theme what have you. I'm just now sitting back and waiting for UD to be released
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Patience is a virtue for most, but when its your primary line and data is f'd up I'm not going to wait. Research at the time was non existent for this matter. I had a new phone in 10hrs when I requested replacement. A dev suggested reflashing the stock radio and re rooting the device to restore data, this didn't take. Its flasher beware, something everybody knows. Devs even post this in the beginning of all threads. Everybody's phone reacts differently to each rom, kernal, radio, theme what have you. I'm just now sitting back and waiting for UD to be released
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UD... LMAO
So Is this normal whenever new Rom installed or cache/dalvik is wiped? Takes quite awhile to do 313 everytime.
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Yes. Don't wipe dalvik without a good reason for it.
Its a new thing in ICS that helps your phone adjust to changes
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So Is this normal whenever new Rom installed or cache/dalvik is wiped? Takes quite awhile to do 313 everytime.
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yerp..seems that it'll happen everytime cache/dalvik is wiped. Since I'm assuming you're not new to this wiping process, you'll probly remember that boot always take a little longer after you wipe the dalvik..it's still the same, just now it provides a visual indication of its progress.
I like it since now you know your phone has actually booted as opposed to the OG Evo where you're left wondering whether it's stuck or not
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yerp..seems that it'll happen everytime cache/dalvik is wiped. Since I'm assuming you're not new to this wiping process, you'll probly remember that boot always take a little longer after you wipe the dalvik..it's still the same, just now it provides a visual indication of its progress.
I like it since now you know your phone has actually booted as opposed to the OG Evo where you're left wondering whether it's stuck or not
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Outstanding, that makes sense. thanks for the helpful responses.
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I see. I learn something from you guys! Thank you!
Also happens whenever you change something in the /system folder.
Seems that recently the LEDs for the flash and what are also used for the flashlight are no longer operating on my husbands phone. I've tried wiping and reflashing JellyBlur v1.3 and trying various applications - but it seems that this doesn't help and that those LEDs just don't want to come on. Is there something that I can do to fix this or are they out for good?
I'm also running JellyBlur v1.3 on my phone and my flash/flashlight are working fine. While I'm waiting I'm going to try flashing another ROM to see if that solves the problem, but any tips or helpful posts are greatly appreciated. Thank You. :good:
Update It seems that switching ROMs didn't help it either. The flash still doesn't want to work nor does any flashlight application including stock. Not sure what happened, but hopefully someone can suggest a fix. (Could it be kernel or something similar related?)
- Tried reflashing JellyBlur v1.3 and Skyraider Zeus v1.3
Thundeshed is good and any Rom based off of it is too.
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Thundeshed is good and any Rom based off of it is too.
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Do you think flashing that might fix the flash issue? I've never encountered this problem before on our phones so it's new to me.
I would definitely make a backup of what you have now, do a good/clean wipe and install a nandroid backup from a different ROM in which the flash was working to see if the flash will work for you again.
If not, the flash may have just given up on you. =\
Note: Clear data 3x, cache once, and dalvik once. (I always recommend clearing data at least 3x because data doesn't always clear within the first or even second time around)
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I would definitely make a backup of what you have now, do a good/clean wipe and install a nandroid backup from a different ROM in which the flash was working to see if the flash will work for you again.
If not, the flash may have just given up on you. =\
Note: Clear data 3x, cache once, and dalvik once. (I always recommend clearing data at least 3x because data doesn't always clear within the first or even second time around)
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Yep, tried doing super wipe then cache/dalvik... doesn't work on any of the ROMs I have tried. I guess the flash just went out on his phone. *sad pandas*
I guess he will just have to do for now until I can buy him a new phone. :crying:
WalkerGFX said:
Yep, tried doing super wipe then cache/dalvik... doesn't work on any of the ROMs I have tried. I guess the flash just went out on his phone. *sad pandas*
I guess he will just have to do for now until I can buy him a new phone. :crying:
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Yeah, that sucks!
I know you can buy the replacement parts for the flash, but you can't find directions on how to repair it anywhere.
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I think it would be a difficult repair and some soldering would definitely be necessary.
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I think it would be a difficult repair and some soldering would definitely be necessary.
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Yeah, I would imagine the same thing.
Just a big pain.
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I would suggest a warranty replacement if you have the option.
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I would suggest a warranty replacement if you have the option.
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Good news. I was able to put ICS (Liquid Desensed36) and applied the new combo radio someone developed.
Using the Wi-Fi w/ root from play store using generic ics/jb (wlan0), channel 2, password protected, with router fix was able to fix his Wi-Fi tether.
Also the ICS Liquid Desenesed36 fixed his Flash and flashlight! (Don't know how; I don't question it) :good::good::good::good::good:
good day all,
i'm trying to flash to this rom, i've tried both clockworkmod recovery and 4ext. the rom flashes, reboots and stays at the cool blue "Startingi ICS" for 10's of minutes, resulting in a pulled battery/recovery/restore to backup.
i'm a complete n00b at this, so its likely i'm making mistakes but cannot figure out the path forward. i've not tried any other roms yet, may have a look at nusense and see it if boots.
any help appreciated.
--- michael
You need to wipe system,and both caches. In 4ext use format all except SD
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thanks! that indeed resolve my issue. whew, nice to finally be free of sense.
-- michael
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You need to wipe system,and both caches. In 4ext use format all except SD
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You have to wipe between flashes most of the time. There some times were wiping only caches will work but it really is better to just wipe everything and eliminate any issues that could come from not wiping everything.
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but it really is better to just wipe everything and eliminate any issues that could come from not wiping everything.
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This is also the advice I'm giving my 2yo as we've begun potty training
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John.E.Boi said:
This is also the advice I'm giving my 2yo as we've begun potty training
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This is funny I don't care who you are rofl.
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This is funny I don't care who you are rofl.
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i totally agree... LOL
I have wiped & wiped and also tried 3 different releases of this rom but I always get caught in the bootloop. I know that some folks are having the same issue but I was hoping that my TB wouldn't be one of them.
My first foray into this ROM is 12/6 build and I haven't seen a reason to try a newer build. Works pretty good, very few complaints.
I'm a bit curious as to why I have read more times than I can count, someone stating they did a factory reset/wipe data "multiple times in a row" or "wiped two times, then wiped cache, then wiped data again, then davlik, then... omg I just went cross-eyed".
I seriously have to be missing something. There has to be some hidden easter egg that after the 2nd or 3rd or 4th time you wipe data or cache or some other combo that will trick the phone into really wiping it that particular time. Right? Just has to be!
Spill the goods yo!
As far as I can tell, its to make sure no files are left behind during the first factory reset/wipe. I personally have experienced this on my Droid X, I wiped in CWM then flashed a rom and couldn't get out of a boot loop, but i was able to wipe and flash again and everything worked.
To cut down on skid marks...duh
Its just so remnants of the previous rom do not interfere with the new rom
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To make sure no files are left??? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of a 'wipe'? I'm being sarcastic obviously when I posted this but if this is a serious answer then I have to second guess the whole idea what is supposed to work, really doesn't.
I'm not being totally ignorant to weird occurances, however... I doubt it happens as frequent as it looks like it is. I see it all over the forums and if its that bad... I'd assume the devs who support the app and or recovery will get it working as close to 100% And my belief is that it is. I just think people have this OCD about doing things multiple times only because some other schmuck did it and now it becomes viral. A factory reset/wipe data is what it is... Stamping it four times shouldn't make any difference. Just my OCD kicking in... Lol
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To make sure no files are left??? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of a 'wipe'? I'm being sarcastic obviously when I posted this but if this is a serious answer then I have to second guess the whole idea what is supposed to work, really doesn't.
I'm not being totally ignorant to weird occurances, however... I doubt it happens as frequent as it looks like it is. I see it all over the forums and if its that bad... I'd assume the devs who support the app and or recovery will get it working as close to 100% And my belief is that it is. I just think people have this OCD about doing things multiple times only because some other schmuck did it and now it becomes viral. A factory reset/wipe data is what it is... Stamping it four times shouldn't make any difference. Just my OCD kicking in... Lol
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It's stupid. If the wipe script does not work it needs to be fixed. I never do it.
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brizey said:
It's stupid. If the wipe script does not work it needs to be fixed. I never do it.
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Agreed. In the words of Al Pachino in Heat "Don't waste my mothereffing time!!"
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Because clean. :good:
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I'm a bit curious as to why I have read more times than I can count, someone stating they did a factory reset/wipe data "multiple times in a row" or "wiped two times, then wiped cache, then wiped data again, then davlik, then... omg I just went cross-eyed".
I seriously have to be missing something. There has to be some hidden easter egg that after the 2nd or 3rd or 4th time you wipe data or cache or some other combo that will trick the phone into really wiping it that particular time. Right? Just has to be!
Spill the goods yo!
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When you try everything else to fix an issue that wasnt solved by doing it once... Sometimes you freak out and go nutty and do it 50 times. I'm not saying that it increases your chance of success but I personally have had success after freaking out and doing things like an ocd nut
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Dubbsy said:
When you try everything else to fix an issue that wasnt solved by doing it once... Sometimes you freak out and go nutty and do it 50 times. I'm not saying that it increases your chance of success but I personally have had success after freaking out and doing things like an ocd nut
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Dubs... You have full right to OCD yourself into your own happiness! You own that right for putting out the GE ROM! Lol. But I hear ya too.
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It's definitely pointless. The wipe wipes it all first time. I'd be more inclined to think if there is general wackiness after installing a new rom it was a bad install rather than leftover files from a wipe.
When you wipe it's not like it deletes anything. It overwrites it with 1's and 0's to the sectors.. look up file recovery and learn binary. Thats why people use programs like dban. You're not fully deleting something with a sime wipe it's just being overwritten with blank sectors essentially. More you wipe more thorough the actual deletion it is.
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I think it is more of a carry over from older versions of recoveries. Cwm used to have locations to wipe all over the place and if you are going into multiple menus doing various wipes it becomes - "did I wipe dalvik? Oh well do it again, what could it hurt".
Actually it just wears out your flash memory quicker.
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Because superstitions refuse to die.
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Because superstitions refuse to die.
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This...but it's a superstition somewhat rooted in reality. A few years ago there were a few recoveries for a few devices that had a bug that resulted in them appearing to perform a wipe but not actually doing a wipe in some circumstances. It's been fixed a long time but the "wipe 3 times" mentality has stuck for a lot of people.
Never even heard of this until reading this thread. Definitely seems like an OCD thing, wiping more than once. Nothing wrong with people who like to do it but it does seem like a waste of time to me. Kind of like the calibrate battery myth, people were saying clear the battery file then charge the phone all the way up and let it die and all this nonsense. Google Engineer said it is a waste of time and doesn't calibrate the battery.
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notstevek said:
When you wipe it's not like it deletes anything. It overwrites it with 1's and 0's to the sectors.. look up file recovery and learn binary. Thats why people use programs like dban. You're not fully deleting something with a sime wipe it's just being overwritten with blank sectors essentially. More you wipe more thorough the actual deletion it is.
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over writing is actually deleting it. overwriting multiple times does a better job. the wiping doesn't necessarily delete, it just makes the block available to be written over. if wiping were overwriting then the wipe would take a bit longer than it does - possibly doubling the the rom install.