Ok since Best Buy is going to have the Acer A100 7" tablet for sale on black friday for $189 (and its not an early bird special) I was wondering how this compares to the Nook Tablet (and to a lesser extent the Kindle Fire).
On paper the biggest differences are.....
Nook Tablet
Pros:
IPS screen
16gb memory
Battery Life
Cons:
Froyo
No Bluetooth, Cameras, or HDMI
Acer A100
Pros:
Honeycomb
Bluetooth, HDMI, Dual Cameras
$60 cheaper
Cons:
Battery life
Thickness
No IPS
Hard to tell. Looks like its a pretty standard tablet.
There isn't much development on rooting it, but you might need to do much since it has Honeycomb 3.2.
I also read that there is GPS. If it is a real GPS chip or just internet based location tracking.
BTW the Nook Color/Tablet has bluetooth chip...it just isn't available stock. Have to root.
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Ok since Best Buy is going to have the Acer A100 7" tablet for sale on black friday for $189 (and its not an early bird special) I was wondering how this compares to the Nook Tablet (and to a lesser extent the Kindle Fire).
On paper the biggest differences are.....
Nook Tablet
Pros:
IPS screen
16gb memory
Battery Life
Cons:
Froyo
No Bluetooth, Cameras, or HDMI
Acer A100
Pros:
Honeycomb
Bluetooth, HDMI, Dual Cameras
$60 cheaper
Cons:
Battery life
Thickness
No IPS
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Nook Tablet have not Froyo, but Gingerbread... I valutated the A100, but it have tooooo low battery life for me! Imho TI Omap4 is better than Tegra2 for a 7" tablet. I can live with my smartphone's camera and Gps
You've brought up a lot of good points. I already have my nook tablet on pre-order but of course I always second guess myself. Especially since nobody has really had a chance to play with it yet.
I don't really need the Camera or the HDMI. HDMI sounds nice but I'd much rather use a DLNA app and not use any wires. Bluetooth and GPS would also be nice but once again I don't think I would use the Bluetooth (keyboard, mouse, or stereo headset) but I think GPS would be kinda nice.
My biggest thing is I hope we can root it. To me that's a big part of the fun. I've read some of the reviews of the kindle fire and it sounds like folks are less than impressed but they won't come out and say it.
I did a little research on the differences between the Tegra 2 and the TI OMAP4 4430. And it sounds like if you want more video codec flexibility you go with a OMAP4 but if you want better battery life go with the Tegra 2 (since it has the Arm 7 core to handle all the housecleaning apps in order to save battery.)
I'm of course over simplifying but in a nutshell I think that's accurate.
The strangest part is that the Nook Tablet is running a OMAP4 processor and gets better battery life than the Iconia A100 running the Tegra 2. Go figure.
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The strangest part is that the Nook Tablet is running a OMAP4 processor and gets better battery life than the Iconia A100 running the Tegra 2. Go figure.
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The Nook Tablet supposedly uses the same 4010 mAh capacity battery as the Color while the Iconia A100 has two 1530 mAh batteries for a total of 3060 mAh, i.e only about 75% of the battery capacity. Whether for cost, or weight or form factor, Acer simply skimped on the battery size. It's too bad given the rest of their specs and what it could have been
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BTW the Nook Color/Tablet has bluetooth chip...it just isn't available stock. Have to root.
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Has this been confirmed for the Nook Tablet?
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BTW the Nook Color/Tablet has bluetooth chip...it just isn't available stock. Have to root.
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If this is so then you have just helped me make my decision.
I got your 10 char right here
I could never buy a tablet with narrow viewing angles. It would drive me crazy.
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Has this been confirmed for the Nook Tablet?
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I can confirm that the Nook Color has Bluetooth if rooted because I am using it.
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I can confirm that the Nook Color has Bluetooth if rooted because I am using it.
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The nook color...ok what about the nook tablet?
I got your 10 char right here
This deal sounds so tempting but i am very concern about battery life and screen quality (ie viewing angles)...I been spoiled by IPS tech in Nook color and my iphone...not sure how not having that will bother me or not. Also I enjoy not having to depend on always charging. 5 hours seems OK but sometimes even the 8hours of the nook would drain at a fast rate for me with heavy movie viewing.
I have $50 GC at Best Buy. So as long as I can buy it online and not have to fight the crowds I'm gonna get both. I'll give the Acer to the kids for christmas to beat on.
Acer will get official ICS update on Jan. Think acer is overall a better deal. 3000 mah is more than enough and im not fussy enough to NEED IPS screen.
Think of it like this. On a average day, would you need to spend more than 5 hours on your tab? if you do, you have issues imo
I'm trying to get confirmation that the $189 does not include the verizon $100 off Verizon Mobile Hotspot Deal.
I'm in the camp that its not baked into that price, however I'm in a heated debate in the Acer Iconia thread about this very issue. Check it out if your interested.
Decisions, Decisions.
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I'm trying to get confirmation that the $189 does not include the verizon $100 off Verizon Mobile Hotspot Deal.
I'm in the camp that its not baked into that price, however I'm in a heated debate in the Acer Iconia thread about this very issue. Check it out if your interested.
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I saw your other post regarding the heated debate in the A100 section. The $100 off tablet with Hotspot is a general deal in Best Buy for any tablet. It will take off additional $100 if you get them together, but otherwise $190 is the deal on Black Friday for A100 alone. Regular price is $330, so if the argument is $100 being baked in, that wouldn't make sense.
It's not a bad deal aside from the battery life, there's a price difference to make up for it. I'm still contemplating on whether I want one or get the Nook Tablet given how awesome my Nook Color have been.
One week to decide. Here's to hoping for easy root/hackability on Nook Tablet cause I just checked the Acer A100 dev section and it doesn't look promising.
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I saw your other post regarding the heated debate in the A100 section. The $100 off tablet with Hotspot is a general deal in Best Buy for any tablet. It will take off additional $100 if you get them together, but otherwise $190 is the deal on Black Friday for A100 alone. Regular price is $330, so if the argument is $100 being baked in, that wouldn't make sense.
It's not a bad deal aside from the battery life, there's a price difference to make up for it. I'm still contemplating on whether I want one or get the Nook Tablet given how awesome my Nook Color have been.
One week to decide. Here's to hoping for easy root/hackability on Nook Tablet cause I just checked the Acer A100 dev section and it doesn't look promising.
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But wouldn't pure ICS official update be enough for you? Acer confirmed it on January. I highly doubt other phones/tabs will get ICS that fast.
Why didnt you throw Lenovo Ideapad A1 in the mix, they were just on sale for $199. GPS, Bluetooth, Front/Rear facing cams, dual core processor, 16gb onboard.
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Why didnt you throw Lenovo Ideapad A1 in the mix, they were just on sale for $199. GPS, Bluetooth, Front/Rear facing cams, dual core processor, 16gb onboard.
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A1 is single core cpu and has half the ram.
my bad I was confused I guess.
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Hello,
i am thinking of either buying the Nook or the Viewsonic...
I know that i am in the Viewsonic section, but are there major problems with the Viewsonic?
Would you recommend it over the Nook Color?
Thanks!
Well i had the nook color before i bought the viewsonic but so far im really happy with my decision the nook color is really great tablet but so is this one basically its up to you ?
I have both. The Nook is really nice and stable with the Honeycomb ROM, but the screen is just too small for my daily use. The only other negative comment on the Nook, is that the audio level (speaker volume) is very low. Headphones are fine, but audio output using the speaker is not great.
My G-Tab is better for me, for everyday use, due to the larger screen, and faster processor. I'm running Vegan 5.11, which runs well, except for a few minor glitches. Hopefully, at some future date, Honeycomb will be ported to the G-Tab.
Bottom line, both are good devices, just a matter of personal preference as to which one will work best for you.
I have a g-tab and have only used a Nook for a few tens of minutes.
g-tab: excellent hardware speed, not so great screen, heavy-ish
nook: excellent screen, not so fast hardware, light-ish
If you're going to be mostly reading books with a few Android apps thrown in, it's the Nook hands down. If you're looking at action gaming, or remote access to your PC via remote desktop it's the g-tab.
Both have a good selection of alternate ROMS. IMO, they both need ROM replacement, although less now than six months ago. Excellent user communities for both.
Hard to go wrong, actually...
I have a g-tab and have only used a Nook for a few tens of minutes (so somewhat skewed experience).
That said...
g-tab: excellent hardware speed, not so great screen, heavy-ish
nook: excellent screen, not so fast hardware, light-ish
If you're going to be mostly reading books with a few Android apps thrown in, it's the Nook hands down. If you're looking at action gaming, or remote access to your PC via remote desktop it's the g-tab.
Both have a good selection of alternate ROMS. IMO, they both need ROM replacement, although less now than six months ago. Excellent user communities for both.
Hard to go wrong, actually...
Gtab has a serious speed advantage, and the nook's screen is beautiful. I would personally focus more on the size difference than specs (unless your looking to game or watch high res video). The size of the tablet will have the most dramatic effect on how you end up using it.
If you want to read in portrait mode the Gtab's viewing angles will disappoint. Landscape is tolerable, but not ideal.
Looking to incorporate your tablet into your keychain? Nook color has that hook.
Gtab is a piece of crap. I highly recommend either the nook or the ipad.
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Gtab is a piece of crap. I highly recommend either the nook or the ipad.
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That doesn't really have any justification behind it... Considering there are plenty of users that would completely disagree with you. I'm not sure you can go wrong buying a 10" tablet for $280.00. What is wrong with it that you classify it as crap? To be honest, the update to the 3588 version out of the box was pretty good. The only negative I had was that there isn't a native video conferencing app and not netflix support as of yet. If those two things are implemented, a tablet for $280.00 is a bargain. I have no other complaints in day to day use. It is stable and does what I want it to do. My brother just bought the iPad 2 and I agree it's pretty nice but he also paid $500.00 plus tax. To each their own.
I would recommend the nook color unless you find a good deal on the Gtab (sub $300). The screen on the Nook is fantastic and it is quite portable. The Gtab while powerful has some flaws, speakers, screen, and terrible CS from Viewsonic (see the threads in the general section).
The plus is that both of them have great support from XDA and are supported with CM7
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That doesn't really have any justification behind it... Considering there are plenty of users that would completely disagree with you. I'm not sure you can go wrong buying a 10" tablet for $280.00. What is wrong with it that you classify it as crap? To be honest, the update to the 3588 version out of the box was pretty good. The only negative I had was that there isn't a native video conferencing app and not netflix support as of yet. If those two things are implemented, a tablet for $280.00 is a bargain. I have no other complaints in day to day use. It is stable and does what I want it to do. My brother just bought the iPad 2 and I agree it's pretty nice but he also paid $500.00 plus tax. To each their own.
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Shhh, I'm redirecting all the whiners to apple.
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Shhh, I'm redirecting all the whiners to apple.
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Oh, I see.
goodintentions said:
Shhh, I'm redirecting all the whiners to apple.
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Nope, IMHO you are (in this specific incident) pushing away a potential customer.
The guy is just making a legitimate question and asking for feedback, I don't see any whining here, so if you don't feel the need to give him true feedback (perhaps because one might think that its listed all over the forum and reviewed to death online) then don't give him an unjustifiably negative one (at least without enough smilies) .
I just don't think the guy is in a situation that would make him see logic behind your "get an ipad" canned reply (not to mention it doesn't even apply to him).
basically for me is simple; if ipad or xoom were 250$ i would have bought them... but they are not worth it at that price...
I think i'm going for thr nook although kindle just slipped in the options...
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Fekish said:
basically for me is simple; if ipad or xoom were 250$ i would have bought them... but they are not worth it at that price...
I think i'm going for thr nook although kindle just slipped in the options...
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I do own the two (nook and gtab), both are overclocked and running the same CM7 ROM.
I honestly think both have different usage scenarios, nook is incredibly more portable, screen more beautiful, the gtab is incredibly more powerful (more capable of running heavy and resource demanding applications and future ROMs) bigger screen though less portable but there is an undeniable screen real estate (that makes the difference).
GTab should only be considered if its below $300 all in (as mentioned earlier), nook has been as low as $200 (N&B ebay deal), currently $225 (refurbished).
Again it all depends on how you intend to use it.
GTab vs. Nook
Comes down to use. If you want an eReader which is a powerful tablet, get a nook and plan on putting a custom ROM on it (the latest update is better, but no match for a custom ROM and rooted device). If you want comfortable eReading, don't get a GTab - way too heavy.
If on the other hand you want a netbook replacement, get a GTab, case and bluetooth keyboard (still plan on the custom ROM).
Kindle got mentioned, not sure why but it implies you only really want an eReader. I have all three, and the Kindle has the best screen for reading books outside, the Nook the most beautiful screen and is fine inside but harder outside and the GTab (as noted above) is just not designed for that use.
All are good devices - we need a better idea of what you want from your device.
I had a nook but gave it to my wife and bought the gtab. No regrets at all. Its kinda heavy but with overclock now has more juice than my netbook. If you want an ereader that does some other stuff too, get a nook. If you want a true tablet for half the price of the competition, get the gtab. Also be ready to mod it out - I really was worried I had made a mistake at first. It took me about a week to get it all set up. Overclock and a keyboard replacement (thumbkeyboard) were key for me to make the tablet responsive enough.
I had a gtab (from Nov 10 - March 11) and sold it on Eby and got a nook color for $200 dollars. Gtab was fast and good.. except the weight and screen. I mostly used it for reading comics, playing games and web browsing. Holding it for over an hour caused pain to my wrist and the viewing angle was bad for gaming such as raging thunder, backbreaker, etc. The nook color screen is just great and the weight is very nice too. I installed Amazon appstore on it and running CM7 on SD card, it is definitely not as fast as Gtab but it is not bad, very useable and responsive. My son (5 years old ) loves the nook since it is very light and small, he can play with it all day.. and my wife can carry it on a subway to work too. very family oriented..
If you can get the nook for about $200, I will go for it. If you want a powerful android tablet, I would either get the Asus transformer (target has it onsale for $360 - preorder) - check out slickdeals.net.
I am keeping my nook and I am going to get a nice tablet soon (Galaxy tab 8.9 or G-slate or Asus Transformer)
Good luck..
I have both. I had wanted an android tablet and was going to get the xoom, but couldnt justify the high cost. After reading about the custom roms available for the nook, I picked it up. I loved it and still do. But I got a great deal on a Gtab and couldnt pass it up. Now I'm selling my nook color. Its still a great device (gorgeous screen), but I found that for me personally, a 7inch screen is too small for a true tablet experience. I also love the extra ports/speed of the gtab.
Like everyone is saying, it really depends on your usage. If you really want a nice ereader, with some very cool extras and a tablet-like experience, nook color hands down.
However, if you're like me and really wanted a tablet, and hoped the nook would fill that void, you'll most likely feel more satisfied with the gtab. Just make sure you get it for a good price. I would never in a million years pay the prices for the gtab that it used to sell for. But now that its sub 300 (with some people selling theirs for a lot less), I think its totally worth the cost.
Side note: I don't actually have a problem reading on the gtab like a couple of other people on here seem to be complaining about. The screen seems fine in portrait mode to me. Its great for reading comic books and not having to pan around (which became a little annoying on the nook). But I may just not be as sensitive as some
Side note: I don't actually have a problem reading on the gtab like a couple of other people on here seem to be complaining about. The screen seems fine in portrait mode to me. Its great for reading comic books and not having to pan around (which became a little annoying on the nook). But I may just not be as sensitive as some
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I've been reading books and new on the train.
Nook - No Camera or Mic
The one thing I forgot in my last post and is not covered in the thread is the lack of communications - you will not be using Skype, GTalk, etc, for anything other than text messaging if you go with the Nook.
GTab has a front facing camera and mic. - so if comm's is important, it's a no brainer.
So, have you ordered anything yet ?
What do you guys think of the Amazon Fire and Nook tablet? I've almost jumped on a Nook Color a couple times just cause of the price. I think both are priced to sell tons and probably are going to embarrass the "real" android tablets in terms of quantity sold.
I'm leaning towards the Nook Tablet just because of the better specs microphone(I love my voice search) and SD card. Also word on the street is that the bootloader and boot from SD is unchanged from the original Nook Color.
My only real worry about both of them is a lack of cameras, but I already have lots of cameras on my Evo 3D anyways.
Hi! The Fire looks really nice and amazon's ecosystem will probably be awesome. But without removable media/storage, custom roms are going to be a pain to load and test.
Im going for the fire because i have a ton of their "free app of the day" apps and their market actually has a decent selection. That and its $50 less.
Can they make telephone calls?
No, they are not made to make telephone calls. I'm sure you can probably get an app to use the Wifi to make calls but you can't load your SIM card and make phone calls with your cell #. There's always like Tango or Skype. You can probably use Groove IP with Google Voice to make calls.
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What do you guys think of the Amazon Fire and Nook tablet? I've almost jumped on a Nook Color a couple times just cause of the price. I think both are priced to sell tons and probably are going to embarrass the "real" android tablets in terms of quantity sold.
I'm leaning towards the Nook Tablet just because of the better specs microphone(I love my voice search) and SD card. Also word on the street is that the bootloader and boot from SD is unchanged from the original Nook Color.
My only real worry about both of them is a lack of cameras, but I already have lots of cameras on my Evo 3D anyways.
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Drew, you've answered pretty much every question yourself...
Get the Nook.
It'll CRUSH the Amazon tablet in the short run, the long run, and the whatever run.
The original NC has unparalleled dev support, and this one will be no different.
Bet your ass it'll have ICS ported for it ASAP.
(Install the Amazon Market on that Nook Tablet as soon as you have it rooted (so, like Day One....) and laugh every morning as you get ANOTHER 'Free App of the Day' from Amazon on your Nook.)
<<work in progress>>
I definitely want a tablet of some sort soon. I have a tablet PC that makes school a dream. If I can get a tablet that you can use an inductive stylus, or even a really amazing capacitive stylus I might be able to settle for that, but it would have to be pretty amazing to replace the PC. Then I would just get a PC laptop that is cheap I could completely replace the tablet PC. I honestly believe we are not too far off from seeing the Android and iPad tablets replace laptops if they continue to pack more power and the software replaces the laptops software.
The price of these tablets are so dirt cheap, the only thing that will keep them from expanding into what laptops are today is the types of software available for the tablets.
I will always prefer the tablet that has at least a ten inch screen. The 7 inch is too small. The evo 3D is an example of the power even micro architecture can accomplish, so moving from a 4.3 inch screen to 7 inch isn't enough to make me put down my evo for a few minutes to use the tablet. Now, a ten inch + screen would be different.
I 2nd the nook. It is only 50 more. And it is worth it.
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I definitely want a tablet of some sort soon. I have a tablet PC that makes school a dream. If I can get a tablet that you can use an inductive stylus, or even a really amazing capacitive stylus I might be able to settle for that, but it would have to be pretty amazing to replace the PC. Then I would just get a PC laptop that is cheap I could completely replace the tablet PC. I honestly believe we are not too far off from seeing the Android and iPad tablets replace laptops if they continue to pack more power and the software replaces the laptops software.
The price of these tablets are so dirt cheap, the only thing that will keep them from expanding into what laptops are today is the types of software available for the tablets.
I will always prefer the tablet that has at least a ten inch screen. The 7 inch is too small. The evo 3D is an example of the power even micro architecture can accomplish, so moving from a 4.3 inch screen to 7 inch isn't enough to make me put down my evo for a few minutes to use the tablet. Now, a ten inch + screen would be different.
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Meh i don't know about replacing laptops no cd drives yet which suck can't copy cds to the hard drive and max space is 64 gigs still not enough space I think. And no plug n play support really. I know some have usb but do they support external 3.0 3tb hdd?
I'd also take a bluray drive in it...
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You also get $25 off the Nook if you are a B&N member. If you aren't then you can get the membership for $25 and take advantage of all the deals. I just used 2x25% off coupons today + 10% extra with my membership. Very good deals.
Not worth it. 200 dollars ill just buy a HP touchpad for that price.
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You also get $25 off the Nook if you are a B&N member. If you aren't then you can get the membership for $25 and take advantage of all the deals. I just used 2x25% off coupons today + 10% extra with my membership. Very good deals.
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Thanks! Thats a added free(kinda) bonus if I get the Nook. How often do you get the coupons and does that 10% count towards ebooks or emagazines?
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Thanks! Thats a added free(kinda) bonus if I get the Nook. How often do you get the coupons and does that 10% count towards ebooks or emagazines?
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Around the holidays it seems like weekly, but during the off season it's a monthly thing. The lowest coupon I've ever gotten was 10% and the highest was 40% off. Then you get your member discount as well. So on the lowest side its 20% off.
I had the nook, it's a incredible little thing with a lot of bang for the buck. I still have my other tablets and all they are to me are web surfing/ebook extensions. The apps are on the iPad, the openness is in android, non of them fits a all in one item as a laptop/desktop. I'm waiting for windows to come out for these tablets and the new kal-el tablets. Transformer will be the first, unless it's rootable, I will skip it...and go else where. For you, the nook hands down will be a winner..price, performance and most important...developer support.
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I had the nook, it's a incredible little thing with a lot of bang for the buck. I still have my other tablets and all they are to me are web surfing/ebook extensions. The apps are on the iPad, the openness is in android, non of them fits a all in one item as a laptop/desktop. I'm waiting for windows to come out for these tablets and the new kal-el tablets. Transformer will be the first, unless it's rootable, I will skip it...and go else where. For you, the nook hands down will be a winner..price, performance and most important...developer support.
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Win 8 tablets are a while off, I do think they are going to be a real contender in the tablet wars.
The transformer prime is going to be sweet but at twice the price, and the larger size it would make more sense to just get a laptop. I already have two so a third would be a waste.
I think the $150-$250 price point is the sweet spot for tablets. Especially for something I'm going to carry around and could get easily get smashed.
BTW I'm talking about the new nook tablet, it sounded like you were referring to the old nook color. Which even though it was alright it really couldn't be as competitive as it needed. The new one is baddass enough to be really good.
Don't get me wrong. I had TF one. I would like to have Prime. BUT.
Is that really worth buying especially now when the price is so high?
What is really better in Prime? Tegra 3? Do we really need tegra 3? As far as I remember there were so few games that used Tegra 2. I could count them on 2 hands fingers.
So I ask. What do you think guys? Is it worth to switch TF to Prime? Is it really worth it?
What if Tegra 3 will end like Tegra 2 with only few apps behind?
The answer is yes. Also this tablet is not priced too high considering the specs it brings to the table. The apps, whether tegra3 optimized or not, will benefit from the extra horsepower. How is this priced so high? You get the worlds first quad core Android tablet, the best display of any tablet, ports like hdmi and micro SD card, and 32gb of ram for only $499. Compare to an iPad 2 with less specs and festures and same 32gb starting at $599. Already been said n proven to be best Android tablet out there. If You want something cheap, get the kindle fire. No other tablet comes close yet to specs n features at that $499 price range. Stop feeding into the negativity of some people/trolls trying to downplay tegra2 or tegra3 chipset. Regardless of what people say, tegra2 was a success. Brought the worlds first dual core phones. Now will do the dame with worlds first quad core tablet. And their chipset will be first to run ICS onna tablet.
Plus this is answered within several other similar threads in general section.
Also, same could be said for other platforms like IOS. Even less number of games/apps are optimized for new chipset of ipad2. As with any new tech. It will take time for developers to make software that fit accordingly. Now once quad core is out, all apps will be made optimized to dual core or quad core. Since majority of devices now will have either one of these. Another benefit of the tegra3 is the power saving capabilities. It has already be shown/proven through several reviewers to have best battery life of any android tablet. It's right there with iPad/ipad2 battery life. And this was in balanced mode. Put prime on powers acing mode and it will surpass the IOS battery life easily.
what kind of response are you expecting to get on the prime section of XDA?
of course everyone reading this board wants a prime.
It depends, if you have the original Transformer then the upgrade might not be worth it unless you plan to play a lot of 3D games for some reason. If you already have an iPad 2, then upgrade seems not important, unless you really want a keyboard dock that is better than what iPad has.
If you don't have a tablet or have an old one, then YES. It is worth it.
Imo no it's not priced too high. I have a Nook Color now and while it's great, I would like something with a little more power. Considering I paid $200 9 months ago for my NC and have used it for a thousand things I didn't think I'd ever use it for, I can definitively justify $500 for device I will use everyday
Ok, let me see...
1. Thinner, lighter, and better looking than old TF.
2. Better battery life by most accounts.
3. Quad-core for when you need it, a single low power core when you don't.
4. Tegra 3 is a reference GPU for ICS, enough said. I don't care if there is ever a single game written specifically for Tegra 3 - all I want is effortless UI, with no hiccups, and perfect video. That is IMHO iPad 2's single advantage, and I hope that TF Prime + ICS finally comes close.
The question should be asked - why are others charging just as much for old hardware? Suddenly that GT 10.1 for $499 with 16Gb looks very expensive...
this is a nerd site. made up of lots of nerds.
short answer, hell yes. buy it. buy 2.
no its not, its not worth buying, you should not get this.
DON'T GET IT!
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That is a very subjective question that only you can answer. What is "really worth buying" to me may not be to you and vice versa.
You guys don't even consider the whole situation... He is asking whether it is worth it to switch from the original to the Prime.
Well considering that you can probably sell the Original+Dock for around 350 and buy the new one for 700+, that is a $350 difference. Then that is really a money issue. The Prime is a nice upgrade from the original. It's faster, lighter, thinner, and looks nicer. But the original is definitely still usable. The original is not obsolete, the Prime is just a premium. Now the question is whether you are willing to pay for this premium.
If you aren't unhappy with your TF right now you could always wait till later when more quad-core tablets come out. There will always be something new and exciting on the line.
You definitely do not need it. Don't buy it, as its terrible, and can I have your pre-order?
For me, the answer is a bit mixed. While I am really excited about the release of the Prime, yesterday, I cancelled my pre-orders from BestBuy and GameStop. I too, have a TF101. My thinking was that right now, if you were to sell your TF101 on eBay within the next week or so, you could get a decent price for it, ~$350-400 (with the dock). This would go a long way to paying for the upgrade. However, my Amazon pre-order was cancelled and I ended up pre-ordering at two different places on Dec 1st or 2nd. My concern was that I was basically at the back of the line for both of these pre-orders and I am flying back home for a couple of weeks around x-mas. I wasn't sure that I would get the tablet before flying out, I was pretty sure that I wouldn't get the dock before I got back, and I didn't want to have either sitting on my doorstep for any amount of time (just in case I wasn't able to change the shipping in time). This was compounded by the fact that I would have needed to sell the TF101 before getting the TF201 in my hands, which made me nervous.
I was sitting at the coffee shop yesterday, doing actual work on my TF101, without any issues, wondering if the upgrade was worth it right now. I decided that at this point in time, it would just be too much of a hassle. The TF101 is a great performer for a lot of tasks, and for my typical use, I have not run into a situation where I feel like I am really limited by the hardware. I think that I will probably upgrade once I can buy both the dock and keyboard, and probably the transleeve, on Amazon and get one day shipping on everything and be done with it. The pre-order situation on this one turned out to be too much of a hassle and I was not sure that I trusted that Asus would be able to deliver enough units to secure my late pre-order before flying out.
As far as why I actually wanted to upgrade, it's more powerful, thinner, lighter and smaller with a better screen and better battery life. It also supposedly handles the dock/charging situation a bit better than the current device, which is actually important to me. I would love to be able to see the screen better in the sunlight, and have more apps running in the background without seeing much of a slowdown. I would also love to show this off to my Apple loving friends as a thinner, lighter and more powerful tablet than the iPad 2.
Price does not seem high to me. $500 is the same price the original 32GB Transformer came out at. The difference is this time there is no 16GB $400 option. Sure there are other tablets that are deeply discounted, but they suck and nobody wants them.
Tegra 3 isn't just about video games. I don't really play that many games on my tablet to let them dictate my tablet or processor choice. But the Tegra 3 also has an improved GPU that will help me play back high def videos that the Tegra 2 was really bad at. If you are just streaming HD video, the Tegra 2 is still fine. But if you copy over your own AVI or MKV HD files, hopefully the Tegra 3 will be able to handle them better.
Another important aspect of the Transformer Prime is it's aluminum body. The original Transformer with it's plastic back gets warm in your hands. The palms start to sweat a little, then the tablet gets slippery to hold. The aluminum body of the Prime should stay cooler, prevent the palms from moistening and hold easier. Not to mention it's much thinner and lighter.
And the Transformer Prime is much better looking. I always found the brown Transformer kinda ugly.
I'm excited about getting the Prime for two primary reasons:
1. It's lighter and thinner, and so should be easier to manage for longer ebook reading sessions. I'm pretty sure of this because my wife's GT 10.1 is more comfortable to use than my OG Transformer, and the Prime is a touch thinner and lighter yet.
2. The extra brightness is going to be awesome. I can ALMOST use my Transformer on the back porch in the SoCal sun for ebook reading--but only almost. The extra brightness should take the Prime over the edge and make it usable.
Everything else--faster, more battery life, better touch responsiveness, etc.--is just gravy as far as I'm concerned. Given that I'll be able to sell my Transformer and dock, I'll only be spending a few hundred dollars for a significantly enhanced device. Can't beat that with a stick...
I would say it depends on your starting point. For me.. it was a Galaxy Tab 10.1 that I bought for $400 and sold for $400. The cost of stepping up to the Prime was $99 so yeah.. id say it will be worth it.
If you have equipment that you have to sell to buy it I would look at how high the replacement cost would be to get there. If you have an original with dock that you can sell, then just see if the amount of money you have to chip in is worth it to you.
If you are happy with what you have the chance is you will keep being happy with it.. if you like to have the latest/greatest then the chance is that the upgrade would be worth it.
TLDR: What I wrote didn't help at all.. only you could decide if it is worth it or not.
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Price does not seem high to me. $500 is the same price the original 32GB Transformer came out at. The difference is this time there is no 16GB $400 option. Sure there are other tablets that are deeply discounted, but they suck and nobody wants them.
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Ah, but, there IS a $399 16GB option (that will likely be discounted): the original Transformer. ASUS isn't pulling it from the market, and so there's still a decent, lower-entry-price product on the market.
I just think ASUS needs to make more of an effort to make it clear that the $499 32GB Transformer Prime should be directly compared to the $599 32GB Apple iPad 2. If they can make people understand that simple fact, they'll do just fine.
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Don't get me wrong. I had TF one. I would like to have Prime. BUT.
Is that really worth buying especially now when the price is so high?
What is really better in Prime? Tegra 3? Do we really need tegra 3? As far as I remember there were so few games that used Tegra 2. I could count them on 2 hands fingers.
So I ask. What do you think guys? Is it worth to switch TF to Prime? Is it really worth it?
What if Tegra 3 will end like Tegra 2 with only few apps behind?
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The OP answered his own question without even realizing it. Based on initial reviews and hands-on experience the Transformer Prime (TP) is a worthwhile upgrade from Transformer (T). Since you're a previous T owner you should confirm for yourself by getting hands-on with a demo unit and not making any sizable investment blindly. For the financial sensitive buyers it's not worth the premium to pay full retail to be first in line due to the fact that the price is relatively high as compared to competitive AMD E-450 APU based netbooks costing ~$400 with the added benefit of a broader range of software. Furthermore, there will be competing quad-core tablets in the pipeline that may offer better specs (eg. Lenovo LePad K2 1.6GHz Tegra3 and 2GB DRAM, Samsung quad-core Exynos) and is predicted, per Nvidia CEO, to be more affordable in the ~$300 range as the market matures in the next few quarters. If you have the disposable income and/or have an immediate need then get in line otherwise you'll benefit by holding off.
Personally, if money is no object I'd own both a Samsung Galaxy Note and TP. But, if I had to settle for just one I'd go with Samsung Galaxy Note since it can serve as a phone, tablet and displace x86 desktop as a very low power general purpose computer (what I had intend to use the TP for).
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Don't get me wrong. I had TF one. I would like to have Prime. BUT.
Is that really worth buying especially now when the price is so high?
What is really better in Prime? Tegra 3? Do we really need tegra 3? As far as I remember there were so few games that used Tegra 2. I could count them on 2 hands fingers.
So I ask. What do you think guys? Is it worth to switch TF to Prime? Is it really worth it?
What if Tegra 3 will end like Tegra 2 with only few apps behind?
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Don't get me wrong. I had a BMW 535i. I would like to have a BMW 550i. BUT.
Is that really worth buying especially now when the price of the BMW 550i is so high? What is really better in the BMW 550i? Bigger engine? Do we really need a bigger engine? As far as I remember there is still a speed limit on the road and the price of gas is still high.
So I ask. What do you think guys? Is it worth to switch to a 550i? Is it really worth it?
What if the BMW 550i will end like the BMW 535i when you still can get a speeding ticket if you speed and still have to pay high gas prices?
With the Kindle Fire and Nook Color at $199 you're going to see Android tablets morph in to categories much like Intel's done with processors (i3, i5, i7). There will be value, mid-range, and high-end. Value will be the marketshare leader, followed by mid-range, and then high-end. High-end will be the smallest but most profitible segment margin wise. The Prime is a high-end tablet. Asus even said they'd continue the original Transformer as their mid-range offering. If you want a high-end tablet the question is which one because they'll all be priced similarly. They'll all be quad-core but Acer, Lenovo, and HTC's offerings will have 2GB of RAM, 1920x1152 displays, and ICS pre-installed. The Prime's the first next-gen tablet but the high-end market will look much different in Q1 2012. If you have a decent first-gen tablet, other than a resale drop on eBay/CL, you might be better off waiting to see what your options are. I like the idea of a higher res display, especially with ICS. We're all geeks and addicted to shiny and new but we don't represent the overall market. There's a reason VW outsells M-B, BMW, and Audi combined.
I am trying to decide if I want to wait for the 300 or go ahead with the 201. So it seems the main differences is the Screen (IPS vs IPS+), the clock (1.5? vs 1.3), and the case (metal vs plastic). I do care about wifi performance and I know that forums are terrible for being mostly negative (in that more people come to complain about something not working, than people come to praise something that it working just fine) so I am not sure the the 300 wifi will be that much better than the 201 wifi. So is it worth the price ($50-$100) for the 201 with the higher clock and better screen (how much better)? I know that no one has really seen the 300 but we do have some specs and just wanted to get an opinion.
I don't get you mate, you just highlighted the main differences between both models and still need to ask others? Make yourself the logical question, are the features between models important enough to justify the extra price tag?
In that answer you have your decision, good luck!
You are right, I need to make the decision. I guess since the 300 is like a Transformer/Transformer Prime hybrid (screen, case, possible wifi) is from someone that maybe has owned both the Prime and the OG, would you pay more for the Prime if the OG had a Tegra 3 in it. And really thats what it comes down to even looking at the current OG vs the Prime. Is the Tegra 3 that much better than the Tegra 2.
Also, keep in mind that the form factors are going to be different as the 300 is supposed to be thicker than the 201.
http://www.asuseeepad.net/blog/2012/02/updated-asus-transformer-tf300-rumors-facts-fiction/
Looks like it is rumored to be released this month. That is news to me. But after re-watching the teaser video it definitely looks thicker than the 201. With the plastic shell, thicker profile and the Red, White, and Blue color options it looks more like a toy and not a high tech gadget.
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You are right, I need to make the decision. I guess since the 300 is like a Transformer/Transformer Prime hybrid (screen, case, possible wifi) is from someone that maybe has owned both the Prime and the OG, would you pay more for the Prime if the OG had a Tegra 3 in it. And really thats what it comes down to even looking at the current OG vs the Prime. Is the Tegra 3 that much better than the Tegra 2.
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You seem to be a very rational and knowledgeable individual, therefore, easy decision for you.
Speaking for myself, I can't even take the 300 series seriously after owning the Prime, that looks like something my 3 year old could carry around the house.
The 700 is the one I want to consider after the Tegra 4 is out and running, for the time being, my Prime is the one.
i'm in the same boat that you are in. but i think i'm going to go with the TF300. I do believe that Asus will fix the wifi and gps issue with this. (actually i don't know if there is gps in tf300..but i would imagine so). I'm not sure about the screen quality but the original transformer screen quality was fine with me so i would imagine that the tf300 would also be okay. Wifi is a big deal for me but i'm sure it will work. the thickness to me is irrelavent since i'm more focused on the functionality.
for $399 vs $499..i can't really complain. the only concern i really have with the tf300 is the battery life. 22WH. Acer's Iconia A510 had a significantly higher battery life for $450 but its also 1.3 gz on tegra 3.
as for the clock speed...i'm sure xda will have roms for the tf300 and you can get higher clock speeds on demand after a few months so that part to me also becomes irrelevant.
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Also, keep in mind that the form factors are going to be different as the 300 is supposed to be thicker than the 201.
http://www.asuseeepad.net/blog/2012/02/updated-asus-transformer-tf300-rumors-facts-fiction/
Looks like it is rumored to be released this month. That is news to me. But after re-watching the teaser video it definitely looks thicker than the 201. With the plastic shell, thicker profile and the Red, White, and Blue color options it looks more like a toy and not a high tech gadget.
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where did you see the rumor to be released this month? Also the website you gave has conflicting specs for it. one says 16gb another says 8gb. one had 1.2 GHz Tegra 3.
the second page: http://www.asuseeepad.net/blog/2012...er-pad-tf300t-details-pre-order-release-date/ from update 3.
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where did you see the rumor to be released this month? Also the website you gave has conflicting specs for it. one says 16gb another says 8gb. one had 1.2 GHz Tegra 3.
the second page: http://www.asuseeepad.net/blog/2012...er-pad-tf300t-details-pre-order-release-date/ from update 3.
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Ahh, you are right, my link doesn't cite the rumored release date. I think I first saw the date mentioned here. And it was also under the heading "Official Specifications of the Transformer TF300T:" on the second page from update 3 like you mentioned.
This site seems to be less and less credible the more I search around on it though. Under the "Official Specifications of the Transformer TF300T" it says the thing has a 8GB solid state drive... They also state on another page: "Expect the Transformer Pad TF300 pre orders to start in mid March". That was almost a month ago and still no official word on pre-orders.
you already pointed out most main differences. I see some that might not be correct though.
last time I checked official spec of 300 on Asus page, it has a top speed of only 1.2Ghz. prime top speed is 1.4Ghz. both in stock configuration. 300 will eventually get developer support and roms and be clocked higher. bit never will be as powerful as the prime. they probably using a cheaper tegra3 or one not able to withstand the stresses prime tegra3 can handle. lower power silicon process probably. anyways, 1.2Ghz is still good.
300 is a lower end model. so you should expect it to be lower spec and not as powerful or as many features. for ex. prime Super IPS+ display vs. regular ips. that is a huge difference as far as brightness and clarity of tablet goes. with that said, 300 display should still look good being ips.
300 model won't have as good battery life as prime but will still be good enough for most.
300 is priced tl be more affordable. its mainly for those not able to afford a prime or have that much extra money to spare. which nothing is wrong with thst. its Asus version of economy tablet at the moment.
300 will be alot thicker and heavier than the prime. but its still thinner and lighter than the OG transformer its replacing. plus it'll come in cool assortment of different colors. that white looks so sexy and professional looking. its something about white colored electronics. cars, etc...that give it a more distinguished look to it.
300 does have a good thing going for it. its said to include ddr3 ram. so that will help alot with multitasking although less powerful than prime.
300 will be made out of plastic. This "SHOULD" help out with its wireless capabilities. BUT and I mean BUT we have already seen the FCC report on this device. its already stated wifi/BT on the same chip. the report also "SPECIFICALLY" notes that the wifi/BT working at the same time is really not possible or will interfere with each other. So simultaneous mode is not needed. we have a thread with links to FCC report on the 300 If you want confirmation. it also shows wifi antennae gain is lower than prime. this usually means its wifi is not as powerful and show worse performance. MAIN THING IS DONT EXPECT WIFI/BT PERFORMANCE TO BE BETTER THAN PRIMES. maybe the 300 model doesn't need wifi signal as strong as prime since it has plastic back. who knows. but I'm pretty sure it will still perform just fine on wireless capabilities. Any device with wifi/BT on same chip sharing same antennae is prone to issues when used simultaneously. As we have people who own other devices and experience the same thing on it. the only difference is manufacturers do the best they can to minimize the impact. but the impact is always there. whether large or minute. Manufacturers have been using this single chip design because it cuts down on costs. So Asus not really to blame on that. they can only do the best they can to minimize the interference with each other. they use this to save space also in the device. devices that have separate wifi and BT chips doesn't suffer as much or at all vs. angle chip design. so wifi/BT dropout issues is not a prime exclusive problem or issue. this goes for most electronics now that use single chip design.
also forgot to add the 300 has lesser quality/less MP having cans. I think its rear is only 5mp vs. prime 8mp. plus 300 doesn't have a flash at all. so no nighttime pics or video recording. or low light ones.
What this all boils down to is how much do you want to spend? how much can you afford to use on a ttablet? there is no real comparing to the prime because prime is superior across the board. which is why it commands the higher price tag. So if you trying to decide based on specs comparison of which is better, it'll always be the prime, as its superior. Prime is the premium model. 300 is the lowend/economy one. 300 is a great value in its own. it should still perform great. of you have an extra $100 to spend and want the best, Prime is it.
Don't let anyone influence WHAT YOU WANT. DECIDE FOR YOURSELF BASED ON THE BEST RESEARCH YOU HAVE ON BOTH. ASK YOURSELF DO I WANT THE MOST POWERFUL DEVICE AND BELLS N WHISTLES, OR CAN I BE SATISFIED WITH A LESS SPEC DEVICE WHICH IS GOOD IN ITS OWN RIGHT AND I SAVE $100? EITHER WAY YOU GO, IT'LL BE A GOOD CHOICE.
GOOD LUCK DECIDING.
Thanks for the replies, I am still on the fence and even looking at a cheap TF101 if I happen across one. Just wanted to get some thoughts since the displays were similar (101 vs 201) and just some opinions. Thanks!
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Thanks for the replies, I am still on the fence and even looking at a cheap TF101 if I happen across one. Just wanted to get some thoughts since the displays were similar (101 vs 201) and just some opinions. Thanks!
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the price point for 101 and the 300 when that comes out will be a difference of $50 unless you are planning on getting one refurbished. if you have the money th3 201 is the way to go if you don't..i would wait for the tf300. nothing wrong with the 101 but why get that one when the new one is coming out with tegra 3 at about the same price point?
Yeah someone listed on on CL for $300 for the Tf101 and dock. So I thought that was a good deal. If I can't get a deal like that, then I think I am going to wait unless I just can't stand it and the impulse buyer in me takes over and I jump from store to store to find a Prime.
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Yeah someone listed on on CL for $300 for the Tf101 and dock. So I thought that was a good deal. If I can't get a deal like that, then I think I am going to wait unless I just can't stand it and the impulse buyer in me takes over and I jump from store to store to find a Prime.
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that is a good deal for tablet and dock. but it is really outdated. in mobile tech world. its display is not ips and it uses an older tegra2 chip. I'd say at least wait and get the 300 or the prime. that guy selling his to get money for new 300 tablet probably. I think 300 worth the wait if you only trying to spend so much.
good luck fighting off the impulse buying. I did before I got my prime. I wanted the td-101 during blackfriday sale but they were sold out. I got so impatient on wanting a new tablet and Android one that I almost got a Toshiba thrive, Acer-A100, or Kindle fire..lmfao. I'm so glad I didn't and just held out till I found out about the prime.
prime has been a great device for me ever since 12/22/2011.
I thought the 101 had an ips display. I had an iPad then went to a7 inch Android tab now I want to go back to 10 inches.
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I thought the 101 had an ips display. I had an iPad then went to a7 inch Android tab now I want to go back to 10 inches.
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I forgot what kind it is but do not think its an ips display(I could be wrong). The 300 has an ips. Prime has Super ips +.
Google search the tf-101 display spec. I forgot exactly what kind of display of was but know it wasn't an ips one. It was a lesser quality.
Edit: I tried to find out for you but conflicting specs all over the web. It does have same resolution though.
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I forgot what kind it is but do not think its an ips display(I could be wrong). The 300 has an ips. Prime has Super ips +.
Google search the tf-101 display spec. I forgot exactly what kind of display of was but know it wasn't an ips one. It was a lesser quality.
Edit: I tried to find out for you but conflicting specs all over the web. It does have same resolution though.
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From the Asus Site :
10.1" LED Backlight WXGA (1280x800) Screen*1
*1 : IPS Panel, 178° wide view angle.
http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Transformer_TF101/#specifications
The TF101 has an IPS display panel (- same resolution as the Prime but isn't able to go as bright due to the lack of the 'plus' mode). I gave my wife my old transformer and it's a pretty decent performer apart from video playback of some high bandwidth formats and as long as you get one without quality control issues. I see the Pad 300 model is being a) The eventual replacement for the TF101 as it's pretty similar apart from the use of Tegra 3 and likely priced similarly. b) For those considering a Prime but wanted something with less flash storage (and for that reason not as expensive) or c) alternatively need something other than wi-fi only models (which has been the norm apart from the TF101G which was released in some regions). However, until there's a release date and actual physical availability the Pad 300 model remains unproven. Will it have any issues of its own, for example and what quality control problems if any will there be.
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So I decided to straddle the fence a bit. I put in my order to Amazon for the 201 which ships in 3-4 weeks and that gives me time to see what happens with the 300. Hopefully I can make it that long.
according to this site there should be some announcement for the tf300 on monday the 9th.
http://news.portableone.com/asus-for-business/asus-to-release-transformer-tablet/
says monday march 9th...lol. probably doesn't know what they are talking about.
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I haven't had any problems with my tf201 - you shouldn't be disappointed.
The wifi range isn't as good as my Galaxy S but still always picks up the routers fine.
Enjoy
Well I first had ordered the Grey since it was 3-4 weeks for delivery and that gave me time to think about my options (and probably regret it). But then the Champagne just showed up in stock and I jumped on it and canceled the grey.
I really loved the Nexus 9 in the couple months that I had it. Just couldn't stand the lightbleed. Build quality was acceptable but not great.
Now I'm looking for another tablet of comparable specs (9" or bigger with similar performance).
It seems that the Z4 tablet would fit the bill. It has more screen real estate (10.1"), widescreen, better build, expandable storage, similar power (snapdragon 810), more ram, lighter, water resistant, better camera *probably* and *hopefully* a better screen. Xperia devices tend to have consistently good screens, so I don't expect any glaring quality issues in this department. Plus it already has Lollipop. Only obvious drawbacks are side facing speakers, the fact that it is not quite bone-stock Android, somewhat smaller battery, and that it will most likely cost 100-200 more than the Nexus 9 32gb.
Do you guys think its a good alternative?
Do i think a high end tablet that comes out about 4-6 months after the N9 be a good alternative? Yes.
Obviously if you had to buy it today it loses as you can't buy it today. But from what I see the Z4 will be a nice device. just comes down to your needs and when you need it. Don't think it will be that much more expensive (unless it has LTE)
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Do i think a high end tablet that comes out about 4-6 months after the N9 be a good alternative? Yes.
Obviously if you had to buy it today it loses as you can't buy it today. But from what I see the Z4 will be a nice device. just comes down to your needs and when you need it. Don't think it will be that much more expensive (unless it has LTE)
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It's just that large-sized premium Android tablets seem to be so far and few between these days. It seems that the Nexus 9 and Galaxy Tab S are the only ones that fit this category, so a tablet like the Z4 is much needed. Another other upcoming tablets to consider?
True. Too bad we can't get our hands on the Nokia Tablet. Outside of that there aren't any highly anticipated tablets that are around the corner. Z4 is the leader, and if they are making one, whatever shield tablet comes next.
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True. Too bad we can't get our hands on the Nokia Tablet. Outside of that there aren't any highly anticipated tablets that are around the corner. Z4 is the leader, and if they are making one, whatever shield tablet comes next.
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I've looked at the Nokia Tablet, but like the Shield Tablet, its a bit too small for my type of usage (under 9"). My primary use is comic book reading, games and web surfing. I would love to see Motorola make a new full-sized tablet. It would be the next best thing to a Nexus with its fast Android updates.