I can understand the hype about the next generation of our beloved Transformer, but this is still Asus Transformer forum, not Transformer Prime forum!
There is nothing bad in discussing Prime, but I 've counted 10 threads about it only in GENERAL. This is TOO MUCH. Please post in the existing threads or create a master thread.
Some of us will stick to the original Transformer and will not replace it soon.
amen
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It would be nice if administration could clarify if there will be a prime specific forum or if this will be the forum for both.
And at best directly add such a second forum.
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Previously XDA has split forums once a product ships, not on announcement. An example is the B&N Nook Color and Nook Tablet. The NT forum did not appear until right before the product shipped.
jerrykur said:
Previously XDA has split forums once a product ships, not on announcement. An example is the B&N Nook Color and Nook Tablet. The NT forum did not appear until right before the product shipped.
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Galaxy Nexus forum was up at announcement. Then again it's a Nexus.
I have to agree with the OP. I'm as excited for the Prime as the next guy, but it would be nice if the forum could go back to actually being about the TF101. It's hard to find info on the 101 with the flood of redundant threads about the Prime. If nothing else, can the threads be consolidated at least?
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"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe!" -Albert Einstein
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Well, I agree and disagree. This forum should be about the original transformer. XDA should have opened up a Prime forum when it was officially announced back on the 9th. Until then, this is the only place for people to talk about the Prime. I think if it becomes a real issue, push XDA to create the Prime forum.
If you don't want to read it, the topics are clearly defined, then don't. Until there is a separate forum ignore those topics clearly about prime.
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I think it would be a real problem if there was any significant traffic on the Transformer forum. There really isn't. Since there is no other place to post about it I agree this is the next logical step. And actually when I first tried to pre order from Amazon it wasn't available and then read in one of the threads that it was back up so it actually helped me out at the time.
Don't get me wrong. I am not saying we should not post anything about Prime. The forum is flooded with threads like: "OMG Prime is awesome", "Is it worth it?", "Should I wait", dozens of threads about the expected release day. Also if someone finds a video with Prime on it he feels obliged to make a thread about it.
I am just saying that 80% of the threads about Prime are not useful.
It is not just a revision of the original Transformer. Transformer Prime is a new device in every way except the concept of Android tablet + keyboard dock. It certainly needs its own forum.
Till the new forum is created just skip the threads you don't want to read... Problem solved
Why not add a 6th category Asus Eee Pad Transformer PRIME to the forum's main page for the time being, or am I missing some point? Problem solved.
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Why not add a 6th category Asus Eee Pad Transformer PRIME to the forum's main page for the time being, or am I missing some point? Problem solved.
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Because it is an entirely separate device will its core components being completely different, for the most part.
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Because it is an entirely separate device will its core components being completely different, for the most part.
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I know. The more reason these Prime threads should not mix up with the existing ones about the TF101. That's why I added "for the time being", adding a category as workaround if XDA doesn't want to create a separate forum.
How about waiting for it to be released first? That is usually when new forums are created. Until then, the predecessor forums always have successor posts co-mingled, in XDA forum history.
The new forum is now active, and this thread is in it. I am closing this as it's been resolved.
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Oke guys, spread the word if you see it.
But i think its wise to start using prefixes [View] and [Flyer] in general section.
Since we dont have a separated Q&A.
So [Q][View] and [Q][Flyer] in General section will do.
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Whiskey
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Wilco. Thanks!
Thanks for getting this done Whiskey. Hat's off to you for the hard work
why not have our own forum?
Their hardware might be similar but the software, which is what the forum provides, is not compatible with one another, so why not a completely separate forum.
Similar to how the TMobile LG G2x and LG Optimus 2x are extremely similar but still have their own forum. I understand if the View development section was dead, but we are actually pretty lively, especially since HC got released
Who can we address this too? Im sure all my fellow Viewers agree and fell the same way
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why not have our own forum?
Their hardware might be similar but the software, which is what the forum provides, is not compatible with one another, so why not a completely separate forum.
Similar to how the TMobile LG G2x and LG Optimus 2x are extremely similar but still have their own forum. I understand if the View development section was dead, but we are actually pretty lively, especially since HC got released
Who can we address this too? Im sure all my fellow Viewers agree and fell the same way
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Well you can send a pm to svetius, but time will tell. In the mean time we have at least a seperate Development section. I will also flag it to svetius. If we have a lot of requests it might be possible
I second, How about Flyer/View for General, Accessories, etc... Development as is as it allows cross development visibility
Against.
I have several reasons for this.
1. They are no more separate devices that and Evo 3D devices or the Xoom models. Themes, accessories, applications are pretyy much universally interchangeable.
2. There is an established inter-connected community who share information.
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That is only a part of what the site provides, granted it may be the part you are interested in but some are simply interested in knowing about themes, applications, accessories or just talking to other people with the same device. Why fragment the information?
To give a current personal example, if the view had a completely separate forum I wouldn't have done anything at all when the view HC update arrived because I simply would not have known about it.
So you dont own a view butvare still able to dev for it somehow?
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Evidently
Pretty rare case I must say. Most if not all other devs only support devices they own and can test with.
Lucky for us they are merged so you could write up these guides
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I second globatron's sentiments. Before I bought a few Views, I had been browsing around the BB Flyer in store and reading up on the forum here as much as I could before making an informed purchase. If it wasn't for the information I learned searching through the sections before they divided, that the View and GSM/Wifi Flyer were evidently triplet brothers, I would not have made my purchases or gained the knowledge through the information given so far between all devices.
Segregating them from the start might have been smart move to reduce newbie errors, but on the other hand it also induces a 'forgotten twin' effect for the power users and developers.
Sort of like the Desire HD and Inspire 4G, they're both nearly same yet different sections are given for both, I feel it's probably tedious for those communities because they have to switch back and forth between both sections to keep up for new development and stay on top of the game.
Too much segregation might cause more harm than good, for reaching new features, (I wouldn't have known about capacitive buttons on HC Flyer) while in the end when it just takes a simple reading comprehension and disclaimer to make sure someone don't flash/follow the wrong material.
Despite what I said, I do think the entire top level Flyer forum should be renamed Flyer/View and the General, Themes&Apps and Accessories forums likewise to reflect this twin/triplet effect.
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Despite what I said, I do think the entire top level Flyer forum should be renamed Flyer/View and the General, Themes&Apps and Accessories forums likewise to reflect this twin/triplet effect.
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this would be a simple/good solution, who do we beg or bribe to get the change?
Glad to see View has it owns section now after that fire sell.
Forum update: We got Flyer/View Forum renamed with sub-forums also, thx to Svetius for setting it up for me. We don't need a forum specific to The View, this will do well as development continues to grow then Flyer and View will receive their own sub-forums.
Enjoy!
godZson
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I come to xda for informed discussion about a device and for device development. I don't know what has happened to these forums, but I do have a few humble suggestions:
1. If you don't have a prime / aren't expecting one / looking to get one / involved in development LEAVE. Go troll elsewhere. It has become too difficult to find useful posts because of all of the BS in this forum. The sheer volume of it is frankly shocking. I don't blame the mod because I know he mods several forums (including my old haunt the mesmerize forum) and you know probably has like a job and ****. Cleaning the amount of crap going on right now is enough to two full time jobs.
2. No offense-actually **** that- every offense intended- if you are debating between this and an iOS device, this is not the forum for you. I'm not saying don't get the prime. I'm sure its just as good for newbies as it is for others, but the very fact that you are considering an iOS device as a prime alternative proves to me that you are in the wrong place. I'm not saying the prime is free of defects or anything-it certainly has its quirks. But half the fun of Linux and open source is the quirks and that you can change anything about your device. Customization and quirks are at the core of Linux.
3. Notice the word developers in the URL of this site. I'm not a Dev, but I am an IT admin and do at least have a clue of what the **** is going on. Unless things have changed, this forum is for people who have a clue. If "#cat brain | grep -i clue" doesn't at least ring a bell than I might suggest finding a different forum to go newb around in. And its okay to be a newbie, just be a good newbie and read a fukton before you come on this site and start cluttering it up with BS.
4. For the love of all that is holy and good in this world, if you are posting about a topic, use the thread that already ****ing exists. Why are there 13,457,598,568 GPS threads. We get it already. It doesn't ****ing work very well. I am not interested in yet another screenshot of you GPS working or not working. Keep that **** in a single thread for those of you all that like that **** for whatever reason and let the rest of us who don't enjoy the GPS screenshot porn go about the rest of our reading. Are you all aware that there is a feature of this website where you can search and find similar topics? Do you not see the little suggestions when you start a new thread that are put there to avoid redundancy in threads? This goes as well for you tf-70005534 next model people and you wifi ppl whatever.
5. Lastly, I have a humble suggestion: the purpose of this lovely forum as I understand it is much like the forum in ancient Greece: for the free flow of useful information and to offer help and support to our fellow citizens prime. SO IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING INFORMATIVE OR HELPFUL GTFO.
/ rant off
I just couldn't stand it anymore. I can hardly stand to enter the general discussion forum anymore.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
Really, this thread needs to closed for all the foul language.
Wow - I sure am glad you are here to make sure all us idiots behave.
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Right there in your first line you tell them to go away because this forum is for development. No, this is General. There is a separate forum for dev chat, you should go there if you are wanting dev only.
I get more irritated with these types of threads then the fanatics arguing for and against the prime. Lol
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Really, this thread needs to closed for all the foul language.
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It is only about 1% real profanity by word count. I'm sorry to have scarred your virgin eyes.
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Right there in your first line you tell them to go away because this forum is for development. No, this is General. There is a separate forum for dev chat, you should go there if you are wanting dev only.
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Actually, this whole website is for development-minded people. hence the name of the website: xda-DEVELOPERS. not xda-whiners or xda-trollers.
It would be nice to have a helpful civil community with helpful post. Its getting hard to use this forum I feel the OPs pain
Theres better way to express things but it won't be possible until the trolls and newbs clear out
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It is only about 1% real profanity by word count. I'm sorry to have scarred your virgin eyes.
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"#cat brain | grep -i clue"
Is this geekspeak for"I need a life so I can stop nerd raging to people Ill never meet in forums"?
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Actually, this whole website is for development-minded people. hence the name of the website: xda-DEVELOPERS. not xda-whiners or xda-trollers.
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+10000000000000000
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Actually the forum owners realize that the forum itself has branched out far beyond simple development talk. There are reasons that there is a General, Q&A, Dev, and more for each device. People have questions, concerns, interest in accessories, things that are not appropriate for a strictly development forum. Thus the other subforums.
I you want enforced dev talk only, go to the dev forum. It's policed and threads are killed off that are not on topic.
On the flip side, there are a ton of whiners and complainers and those who complain about them.
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"#cat brain | grep -i clue"
Is this geekspeak for"I need a life so I can stop nerd raging to people Ill never meet in forums"?
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No those are basic linux commands, you know linux, the os you use. You have heard of it right?
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No those are basic linux commands, you know linux, the os you use. You have heard of it right?
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Not everyone knows Linux like some guy like you.
I'm sure a lot of people understand their Prime, but aren't worried about the inner workings of the OS that this OS was based on.
How you doin'? Greetings from my GT-I9000!
I agree with pistons, but I think we will have to wait for roms to start. That will weed many out.
Rich, just too heavy handed. I sort of agree with you, I am contemplating returning my prime for some of the valid points but also some of the negativity.
I almost think jerdog would be better wiping out this entire forum and not opening it up for like 72 hours for a cooling down period. Problem is, as much as some want to sweep this stuff under the rug, there are legitimate problems, admitted to by Asus. How crazy it has gotten, wow? It's gotten personal and when things get personal, nobody wants to be the one that listens
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No those are basic linux commands, you know linux, the os you use. You have heard of it right?
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I drive a car but have no idea how to build a transmission..Whats your point?
In general I agree with the op. Could he have used a little less profanity? Of course, but that really isn't the point. The fact that a thread like this even has to exist says that something is hugely wrong with this section. And all you guys wonder why users and devs alike leave this site for less hostile forums. The same thing happened in the thunderbolt forum. The device was hyped beyond belief prior to launch, and when it was finally released it was plagued with problems, the abysmal battery life being the most *****ed about. The entire section filled up with battery threads and things got out of control. People got hostile and overly defensive and the trolls came out of the woodwork. The result was several of the main devs leaving for another site. Things have settled down in the tbolt section since and some of those devs have returned, but none of his happened until the trolls got bored and moved on to another device to ***** about. The same thing will happen with the prime. Eventually there will be new tablets to complain about and this section will be left to those who actually own a prime. Eventually we will be able to use this section as a hotbed of information on how to improve our devices, but until then this section seems to have turned into a dumping zone for GPS threads and people complaining and demanding things. It's quite sad really. I sure how we can come out of this ahead because the way things are going now isn't helping anyone.
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You all realize this is a commerce site, right? It's not a public service. The owner has a ton of costs in keeping the site up and offsets those costs (and hopefully makes a profit) through advertising. Therefore, the more users the better. Anyone's welcome to create a new site with different ToU if XDA's no longer meeting their needs. Good luck trying to pay for it and attracting the volume of devs and smart people that contribute to XDA.
XDA has grown over the years and is now the largest and most visited site for mobile technology discussion. It's quoted frequently in the press and, as proven by this very forum, helps hold manufacturers accountable (GPS expose, bootloader unlock). The general section is just that and with XDA coming up at the top of a Google search for newbies looking for answers it's going to become more and more mainstream. And as nice as it would be to discuss an issue once and bury it, each day that new people buy a device they are going to keep resurrecting the issue until it's resolved. Hopefully they'll do a search first.
There's a simple way to have a clean and happy front page. Manufacturers should release products that are finished when they're launched and work the way they're supposed to. That applies to everyone, not just Asus.
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I drive a car but have no idea how to build a transmission..Whats your point?
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I bet you know how to turn on the headlights though (a closer analogy). =)
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+1 for OP message, I agree.
-1 for delivery.
I have to chuckle a little bit. The OP has, what, 78 posts? Kind of a newb himself... This is the place where people come to learn, you are not expected to know everything, hence the questions. Some are lame but they are always answered one way or the other. I love this site, I learn everyday.
After installing the Ubuntu on the transformer prime, anyone no if it would be capable of playing DC Universe online....
Dc Universe Online does run on ubuntu I have it installed on my pc it run great. I was hoping to install ubuntu on my Prime and play DCUO on it.
I know the CPU is a quad core with 1gb ram and a hi end nvidia GPU
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Did you not see the post that says,
"This is DEVELOPMENT section not Q&A/General!!!!"?
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Did you not see the post that says,
"This is DEVELOPMENT section not Q&A/General!!!!"?
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Maybe he's thinking it's for character development.
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Did you not see the post that says,
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I figured this would be something to do with development since it had to with ubuntu and something working or not...
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I figured this would be something to do with development since it had to with ubuntu and something working or not...
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NOTICE: If You did not create the ROM, KERNEL, FIX, MOD, APP, HACK, GUIDE, or if it's not a SOURCE CODE then it should go to Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime General as it doesn't belong in Development.
If your thread can be phrased as a question, it DEFINITELY doesn't belong in Development either. If you post it in Development it will be moved/closed and you may get an infraction or a ban.
There is only 1 exception, stock ROMs are allowed, as long as the link does not require a registration to download the ROM.
You may start planning a [DEV] topic on General or QA and then have it moved to the Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime Android Development section once the actual Development has started.
☞ Development is classified as original work and/or documented edits and changes made to others work (with their permission) that makes it your own.
Stock ROM dumps that are modified (deodexed, etc.) from the manufacturer's original intent and then repackaged together classifies as development.
Kernel's and Recovery obviously classify as development as they are modified and compiled from source
☞ Themes are graphical/visual changes made to a ROM which make's the ROM visually different from the original work, i.e. different battery icons, a blue-color scheme, etc. They may be packaged up together with a full ROM and deployed the same way. Simply running a script (not made by you) to deodex and then packaging other people's work/MOD's into one place does not constitute original development.
Follow the FORUM RULES and the XDA MANTRA and we'll all get along and enjoy this community!
Thank you for your cooperation.
-jerdog
This is a question that has to do with development of ubuntu working on The prime tablet why I posted it here. Sorry I was informed that this is where I would post it. I did read the forum rules. Thought this was the best place for my thread.
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This is a question that has to do with development of ubuntu working on The prime tablet why I posted it here. Sorry I was informed that this is where I would post it. I did read the forum rules. Thought this was the best place for my thread.
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That is actually the important point here. If you are asking a question you ALWAYS need to post in the Q&A forum or at least in the General forum.
Questions are absolutely not wanted here!
And welcome to the forums
6 follow posts (and now 7) and when I simply used the "report" triangle when I saw this post ... sigh.
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6 follow posts (and now 7) and when I simply used the "report" triangle when I saw this post ... sigh.
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I did, even before anyone answered
X86 binaries are not even compatible with ARM, so give or take WINE on ARM, this seems a tad brain farted a thread tbh.
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you can play DC universe using splash-top its the only way I know of
The number of stickies in this forum is just insane. I think we should create a roll up sticky to include all the stickies in this forum so it doesn't get cluttered with too much information.
Here's an example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1096
I'll look into it.
Sent from my CM7 Atrix.
I personally mentioned this before as well. Would be much apreciated.
Too many stickies are annoying.
Would suggest three roll-up stickies,
. Super-sticky (always on top): READ THIS FIRST! MODERATION AND YOU!
This would subsume the "New Forum Mod", "Questions posted in General...", "Operation Iron Fist"
. Sticky: Official Asus Threads
All threads started by Gary Key
. Sticky: Guides and How-Tos
All help threads
Suggest unsticky the "GPS Dongle" thread, as well as the outdated "Come to #Asus-Transformer..." thread.
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I personally mentioned this before as well. Would be much apreciated.
Too many stickies are annoying.
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for me too many threads on dongles and 300 are the most annoying. i say get rid of all 300 related threads. its not a prime and this is prime forum. if anything, stick all those threads in the OG transformer section aka tf-101, since that is what the 300 replaced. or move them all to the QnA section.
the sticky threads aren't the problem. the problem is 300 threads and complaint threads that new people make instead of just posting in a thread that already addresses that issue. people not using search at all.
A simple roll up sticky thread would do the trick as well as an active mod who locks down those threads as they pop up.
Conferring with other Forum Mods before I make the roll up sticky.
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I "officially" requested a TF300T forum.
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I "officially" requested a TF300T forum.
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thank youuuuuu....lets get these 300 owners up outta here.
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Conferring with other Forum Mods before I make the roll up sticky.
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I "officially" requested a TF300T forum.
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Thanks dude.
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+1 on forum clean up And then some new update that finally fixes the software issues and working NVflash. I see great times coming!
Excellent idea. Make this a stickie.
Will be doing the roll up sticky idea in the AM.
Sent from my CM7 Atrix.
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A simple roll up sticky thread would do the trick as well as an active mod who locks down those threads as they pop up.
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If you see any wrong threads that need to be closed or moved, just report them. That's the fastest way to notify mod.
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This is a great idea. While you're there could you delete a few of the threads that contain nothing but moaning and complaining lol . I'm actually pretty happy with my Prime, apart from the crappy way ASUS did the bootlaoder unlock (NVFlash will make me a lot happier though if that actually materializes). But a trip in to the General forum generally leaves me pretty depressed. Can't you put something at the top that says "Apparently a lot of people have not being having great RMA experiences, please stop posting about it"!?
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This is a great idea. While you're there could you delete a few of the threads that contain nothing but moaning and complaining lol . I'm actually pretty happy with my Prime, apart from the crappy way ASUS did the bootlaoder unlock (NVFlash will make me a lot happier though if that actually materializes). But a trip in to the General forum generally leaves me pretty depressed. Can't you put something at the top that says "Apparently a lot of people have not being having great RMA experiences, please stop posting about it"!?
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If we're removing such threads... can we remove the:
1. Asus, Nvidia, and Transformer Prime are simply the best in the World thread.
it won't happen. no one wants to see repeated complaint threads that could've easily been put into existing threads already on the issue. people had 5 months worth of complaint threads. its time prime forum move in a different direction. we already heard the gripes. no reason to keep trying to shove it down peoples throats. we already heard them the first time. its mostly the same people repeatedly posting the same complaints almost daily. if people used search more, there wouldn't be as many of those threads.
The Positive Movement has already begun. People want to come here to learn more about their device and be in a positive atmosphere. Possible issues with device is important also. But 20 different complaint threads on same issue is far from needed. Maybe some like forum to seem depressing but I'm sure most don't. As proof is shown from outrage against constant complaints or gripes. I see it all the time up here now.
If its not some new issue that's never been reported before, a new thread shouldn't need to be made about it. or stick it in QnA section at least. Post about it in an existing thread already. SEARCH box is a powerful tool.
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it won't happen. no one wants to see repeated complaint threads that could've easily been put into existing threads already on the issue.people had 5 months worth of complaint threads. its time prime forum move in a different direction.we already heard the gripes. no reason to keep trying to shove it down peoples throats. we already heard them the first time.
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- I think most do not want to see repeated threads PERIOD! (negative or positive)
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its mostly the same people repeatedly posting the same complaints almost daily.
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- same goes for the ones defending the primes
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if people used search more, there wouldn't be as many of those threads.
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-agreed... see my first comment
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The Positive Movement has already begun. People want to come here to learn more about their device and be in a positive atmosphere.
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- this includes learning all about their "issues"
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Possible issues with device is important also. But 20 different complaint threads on same issue is far from needed.
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-agreed...see first comment above
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Maybe some like forum to seem depressing but I'm sure most don't. As proof is shown from outrage against constant complaints or gripes. I see it all the time up here now.
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-just ASUS sleeping in the bed they made for themselves.. sorry to be so insensitive to your feelings.
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If its not some new issue that's never been reported before, a new thread shouldn't need to be made about it. or stick it in QnA section at least. Post about it in an existing thread already. SEARCH box is a powerful tool.
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-goes for ALL posts, not just the "issue" ones..see my first comment.
Perharps members should just post anything negative in a positive way just to appease this "The Positive Movement"
Roll Up Sticky Created.
Threads / Posts will be edited or deleted if they violate the XDA Rules.
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- I think most do not want to see repeated threads PERIOD! (negative or positive)
- same goes for the ones defending the primes
-agreed... see my first comment
- this includes learning all about their "issues"
-agreed...see first comment above
-just ASUS sleeping in the bed they made for themselves.. sorry to be so insensitive to your feelings.
-goes for ALL posts, not just the "issue" ones..see my first comment.
Perharps members should just post anything negative in a positive way just to appease this "The Positive Movement"
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I think these are good points by both of you. I find myself spending hardly any time in the general forum these days since the repeated posts (both positive and negative) and constant trolling just makes it boring. Personally, I do find the repeated negative posts more annoying since each makes me worried about my $650 investment!
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- I think most do not want to see repeated threads PERIOD! (negative or positive)
- same goes for the ones defending the primes
-agreed... see my first comment
- this includes learning all about their "issues"
-agreed...see first comment above
-just ASUS sleeping in the bed they made for themselves.. sorry to be so insensitive to your feelings.
-goes for ALL posts, not just the "issue" ones..see my first comment.
Perharps members should just post anything negative in a positive way just to appease this "The Positive Movement"
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agreed but problem more so with redundant complaint threads on same issue. redundant threads on something good is far n few.
MORAL & POINT IS: People need to use search box more. Redundant threads, whether positive or negative is clutter. post in thread already made on the issue unless its something new. New threads, whether positive or negative, is not needed if there is already an existing thread on that same issue or subject. Once this happens, the backlash will cease against those redundant complaint threads or even positive ones.
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paddycr said:
I think these are good points by both of you. I find myself spending hardly any time in the general forum these days since the repeated posts (both positive and negative) and constant trolling just makes it boring. Personally, I do find the repeated negative posts more annoying since each makes me worried about my $650 investment!
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I agree. especially with your last sentence
I see a lot of people complaining about complaint threads getting closed. While I can understand the frustration of you wanting to get your voice heard only to have it shut down by "The Man" I ask that you all think of it like this. It's tough for the mods to constantly have to clean up the forum especially when most of the threads are complaint threads complaining about the same issues time and time again.
All of the complaints SHOULD be in one thread. Maybe it was both a blessing and a mistake for Asus to start posting here because now it seems that this sub section is no longer the "Prime General" section. It has turned into almost an official complaint forum where people think Asus is constantly monitoring every thread and every post.
Think of how frustrating it is for the mods here to have to constantly close duplicate threads that might bury other useful threads. So like Diamondback said. We all want answers, but filling up this forum with the same stuff is counter productive. if anything go start a million different threads on the Asus forums.. Give their mods more work to do, not ours. So all I'm asking is that before you ***** about your thread being closed try to look at it from a different angle. This isnt the official Asus support forum nor is it the complaint desk. 1 thread maybe 2 at most, 1 for all the "We want answers" stuff and maybe one for all the "Rma Nightmare" stuff. It's much easier to pass off one or two links to asus and be like "here, these are all the issues, we want answers" instead of bombarding them with countless threads. Dont you think if they saw a 100+ page thread of people having the same issues it would have more of an impact than 100 small threads? I really do think a better strategy would be to fill up the Asus forums as much as possible with the stuff that gets closed here
Just my 2 cents, now back to our regularly scheduled programming
I agree that duplicate complaint threads have gotten excessive and that they tend to clutter up the forum. However it might be beneficial to have a thread dedicated to each major issue. For instance one each for problems with WiFi, Random Reboots, GPS, etc.
And of course we need for people posting in those threads to stay on topic. It is really frustrating trying to find information on an issue only to get a few pages into a thread and see that it has degenerated into a series of flame & troll posts.
As much as people dislike their threads being closed, look at it from the other side: a lot of people come here looking for info and 10 threads on the same subject, and unhelpful inflammatory posts not only make it harder for people to find the info they need, but it makes them not want to come back and contribute.
Anyway that is just my 2¢.
Yeah but nothing is said when such threads are full of get well soon Gary, Asus is great, prime is best tablet ever and other posts along them lines. These posts are far less relevant than the complaints but we can fill forum as much as we like with I love asus type threads.
What happened to freedom of speach? this is supposed to be open forum good & bad points discussed
As I see it the moderation here has got so pro Asus I thought I was on Asus official forum.
Oh well I guess this thread will be closed now because I have stated my honest opinion and it aint pro asus. I will add again I have no probs with my prime, no reboots etc but I do feel those with probs are being treat unfairly
almightywhacko said:
I agree that duplicate complaint threads have gotten excessive and that they tend to clutter up the forum. However it might be beneficial to have a thread dedicated to each major issue. For instance one each for problems with WiFi, Random Reboots, GPS, etc.
And of course we need for people posting in those threads to stay on topic. It is really frustrating trying to find information on an issue only to get a few pages into a thread and see that it has degenerated into a series of flame & troll posts.
As much as people dislike their threads being closed, look at it from the other side: a lot of people come here looking for info and 10 threads on the same subject, and unhelpful inflammatory posts not only make it harder for people to find the info they need, but it makes them not want to come back and contribute.
Anyway that is just my 2¢.
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Series of flame & troll posts... I don't think that's possible with Transformer Prime. You have to take Transformer Prime's performance into account.. which has been... extremely diverse. I can make an argument that each device performs differently to each individual (ranging from satisfaction to extreme hate). This only leads to flame & trolling from both side of the fence...
While I do understand the point of threads being closed, consider that nothing with PRIME is definite (it acts way too wildly)... & we aren't exactly getting valuable information on the issue.... it's even difficult to pinpoint the reason for all the issue. This only leads to vague, general, and ultimately... "hypothesis/guesses" complaint threads.
If a "thread" gets hot & all the flame/troll leads to that one section.. why not just let that thread live on? It's going to be impossible to censor every thread nor can each individual really contribute in existing "complaint" threads already because everything is vague & just too many issue with Prime to count. Each "issue" deserves its own thread (by some individual), however.. each issue all leads or are connected to one another... & that ultimately will become an endless loop of off-topic discussion.
Edit: Btw, I am one of the biggest critic towards Asus... but I don't understand all the hate for delay in f/w update compared to OG Transformer & Pad 300. Yes, beta has been out for a while.. and yes... we can assume that it is being delayed due to bugs being found. If so, it means they have acknowledge the bugs & are working towards rectifying the issue. We all know that Prime has issues, which likely means it'll take longer with f/w compared to other devices. Judge the f/w update once it is released..... No reason to haste an unfinished f/w & compound more issue on already very unstable device.
Actually wouldn't have made sense to post this in the new complaint thread instead of creating a new thread?
almightywhacko said:
I agree that duplicate complaint threads have gotten excessive and that they tend to clutter up the forum. However it might be beneficial to have a thread dedicated to each major issue. For instance one each for problems with WiFi, Random Reboots, GPS, etc.
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good points in your entire post but i wanted to stress this part in bold. we already have dedicated threads to each of those issues basically. we also have a super thread with all of them in there. has links, info and everything.
point moderator and others are stressing is that a new thread doesn't need to made for an already existing issue which there's already a dedicated thread for. Plain & simple. Moderators trying to free general section from excess clutter.
You don't see people starting new threads based on get well Gary, Asus is the best, or whatever b.s. that other poster said. Keep it to the existing threads. If people would more so do that, then everything would be fine. Do like the OP said. Take the complaints to an Official Asus forum or something to be heard. Several small complaint threads wont be as powerful as a few big ones.
Complaints are completely valid and accepted BUT they need to go into the corresponding thread. which is why XDA stresses using the search function before you think of creating a new thread. because 9 times out of 10, someone has already created a thread on it. Then you can post your viewpoints in that thread. We have several complaints threads that cover all bases and haven't been closed down & left open. Use those threads unless you have something new never seen before here.
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Edit: Btw, I am one of the biggest critic towards Asus... but I don't understand all the hate for delay in f/w update compared to OG Transformer & Pad 300. Yes, beta has been out for a while.. and yes... we can assume that it is being delayed due to bugs being found. If so, it means they have acknowledge the bugs & are working towards rectifying the issue. We all know that Prime has issues, which likely means it'll take longer with f/w compared to other devices. Judge the f/w update once it is released..... No reason to haste an unfinished f/w & compound more issue on already very unstable device.
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demandarin said:
good points in your entire post but i wanted to stress this part in bold. we already have dedicated threads to each of those issues basically. we also have a super thread with all of them in there. has links, info and everything.
point moderator and others are stressing is that a new thread doesn't need to made for an already existing issue which there's already a dedicated thread for. Plain & simple. Moderators trying to free general section from excess clutter.
You don't see people starting new threads based on get well Gary, Asus is the best, or whatever b.s. that other poster said. Keep it to the existing threads. If people would more so do that, then everything would be fine. Do like the OP said. Take the complaints to an Official Asus forum or something to be heard. Several small complaint threads wont be as powerful as a few big ones.
Complaints are completely valid and accepted BUT they need to go into the corresponding thread. which is why XDA stresses using the search function before you think of creating a new thread. because 9 times out of 10, someone has already created a thread on it. Then you can post your viewpoints in that thread. We have several complaints threads that cover all bases and haven't been closed down & left open. Use those threads unless you have something new never seen before here.
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Eh, not exactly true. That and I personally don't see any issue with directing all "complaints" in OFFICIAL ASUS thread. If all complaints, flames & trolls are being active in one thread.. it actually helps MODS.
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Series of flame & troll posts... I don't think that's possible with Transformer Prime. You have to take Transformer Prime's performance into account.. which has been... extremely diverse. I can make an argument that each device performs differently to each individual (ranging from satisfaction to extreme hate). This only leads to flame & trolling from both side of the fence...
While I do understand the point of threads being closed, consider that nothing with PRIME is definite (it acts way too wildly)... & we aren't exactly getting valuable information on the issue.... it's even difficult to pinpoint the reason for all the issue. This only leads to vague, general, and ultimately... "hypothesis/guesses" complaint threads.
If a "thread" gets hot & all the flame/troll leads to that one section.. why not just let that thread live on? It's going to be impossible to censor every thread nor can each individual really contribute in existing "complaint" threads already because everything is vague & just too many issue with Prime to count. Each "issue" deserves its own thread (by some individual), however.. each issue all leads or are connected to one another... & that ultimately will become an endless loop of off-topic discussion .
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Issues with the Prime aside, I have personally seen threads that start with people asking for help that within two pages turn into nothing but personal attacks and comments about the other person's parentage. These kinds of posts are explicitly prohibited in the XDA rules you agree to follow when you create your account.
As for problems that don't have definitive causes or solutions, if you don't have anything really valuable you add you should not even bother to post a comment in that thread. Just like in real life some people need to learn how to filter what they chose to say in a particular conversation.
I don't think that there are many new issues coming up, at latest it doesn't seem that way from my daily reading in these forums. Most posts seem to be talking about issues that have been discussed at least once already. Another XDA rule is search before you post. It is better to revive an older post on an issue that is affecting you than to start a new one because then all the info is in one spot which makes searching easier.
If you search for info on an issue and find no previous posts regarding the same or very similar issue at that point you should enter a new topic.
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Eh, not exactly true. That and I personally don't see any issue with directing all "complaints" in OFFICIAL ASUS thread. If all complaints, flames & trolls are being active in one thread.. it actually helps MODS.
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i see your point. If they all directed to an Official Asus complaint thread that's fine and would be welcomed. but Not their update thread on future info/products/updates/or new Asus personnel coming to help. there is a difference
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Issues with the Prime aside, I have personally seen threads that start with people asking for help that within two pages turn into nothing but personal attacks and comments about the other person's parentage. These kinds of posts are explicitly prohibited in the XDA rules you agree to follow when you create your account.
As for problems that don't have definitive causes or solutions, if you don't have anything really valuable you add you should not even bother to post a comment in that thread. Just like in real life some people need to learn how to filter what they chose to say in a particular conversation.
I don't think that there are many new issues coming up, at latest it doesn't seem that way from my daily reading in these forums. Most posts seem to be talking about issues that have been discussed at least once already. Another XDA rule is search before you post. It is better to revive an older post on an issue that is affecting you than to start a new one because then all the info is in one spot which makes searching easier.
If you search for info on an issue and find no previous posts regarding the same or very similar issue at that point you should enter a new topic.
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Relatively speaking, we haven't found a solution or exactly found the "cause" for all issues since launch (excluding GPS dongle). However, we have seen increase in new "issue" since launch (gaming issue.. I/O issue.. blah blah blah). At this current time, we're all relatively coming up with hypothesis to find the cause for all the issue. Can't solve an issue without knowing the cause. However, we can't find the cause without "quantitative" data .... & all the complaints in Prime's case.. is the data. Each Prime acts differently from one another and each complaint should be taken into account.... thus, they are contributing.
I do agree on the aspect of immature behavior. But that's also the nature of public forum, and that whole "immaturity" also begins with both sides of the fence trying to defend their cause & completely going off-topic. Until we actually find "cause/reason" for all the issue... my guess is that it'll only continue. We're all trying to be productive & move forward with Prime.... but it's extremely difficult with the current situation...
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i see your point. If they all directed to an Official Asus complaint thread that's fine and would be welcomed. but Not their update thread on future info/products/updates/or new Asus personnel coming to help. there is a difference
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How so? All other OFFICIAL Asus threads are inactive & why must we care about future product news from Asus? This is a public forum, however.. Asus open the wounds by creating OFFICIAL thread (even if it is just for announcement). If other OFFICIAL threads are inactive, it's only natural & logical to go towards an active post..... I don't understand the logic of why we have to cater towards Asus. If a lack of announcement or poor customer service is being made.... I see relevancy in posting in a thread that's about Asus announcement as the person didn't receive such "update" from the announcement.
We're complaining that certain "issue" threads aren't being productive or helpful. Official announcement threads aren't exactly the thread to talk details about issues & how to solve it. Nor are the PR Asus guys from engineering/dev dept. of Asus.. thus, they aren't exactly going to be helpful in that regard. Why not just let all the "*****ing" & cat fight go into that section....... Seems like the most logical place to be.
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Relatively speaking, we haven't found a solution or exactly found the "cause" for all issues since launch (excluding GPS dongle). However, we have seen increase in new "issue" since launch (gaming issue.. I/O issue.. blah blah blah). At this current time, we're all relatively coming up with hypothesis to find the cause for all the issue. Can't solve an issue without knowing the cause. However, we can't find the cause without "quantitative" data .... & all the complaints in Prime's case.. is the data. Each Prime acts differently from one another and each complaint should be taken into account.... thus, they are contributing.
I do agree on the aspect of immature behavior. But that's also the nature of public forum, and that whole "immaturity" also begins with both sides of the fence trying to defend their cause & completely going off-topic. Until we actually find "cause/reason" for all the issue... my guess is that it'll only continue. We're all trying to be productive & move forward with Prime.... but it's extremely difficult with the current situation...
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I am not saying people shouldn't post info or ask questions, I am just saying people shouldn't start new threads without looking for threads that might already be discussing problems similar to their own. I think we all see that this specific behavior happens a lot.
There is no excuse at all for personal attacks. NONE.
If two people cannot agree or provide strong supportive evidence in favor of their arguments they should just agree to disagree. If they are trying to help resolve an issue their is no harm in trying multiple solutions to find one that works. If they are just trying to forward their own unsupported opinion or they just have a fanboy crush on one hardware company or another they should leave XDA unless they have something more to add to the community.
I've seen other forums where they created an "Official RMA issues" type thread that had been successful in keeping posts consolidated. The problem is that threads in XDA seem to be "My RMA experience ..." so each is unique. If we started an "official" thread for each of the major issues it could be better controlled. May be just semantics, but we know the major topics and should establish and enforce some structure. I think the "Browser not responding" is a good example of this.
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I just received the newest of the new Primes, a C4O 64gb, haven't seen anyone posting about these, but my new Prime has 2 stuck pixels, trying to unstick them now, but I'm not hopeful.
I apologize for opening a new complaint thread last night. Alcohol was involved, and I'm just getting cranky. No disrespect to the mods.
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You don't see people starting new threads based on get well Gary, Asus is the best, or whatever b.s. that other poster said. Keep it to the existing threads. If people would more so do that, then everything would be fine. Do like the OP said. Take the complaints to an Official Asus forum or something to be heard. Several small complaint threads wont be as powerful as a few big ones.
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As that other poster (me) didn't say new threads were being started, I said nothing was said about the get well, Asus is great etc type of posts yet complaints were a no no. Take the unofficial /official thread it was closed after 214 pages nothing was said to the glad your here gary, get well soon posts ( which was totally off topic ) infact you thanked most yet when some started to use thread to complain about lack of & quality of updates ( which to me was on topic ) thread got closed. Pro Asus or what ?
Well, this thread obviously needs to be closed. But before that happens, I do wish to make few corrections.
1. We don't have a dedicated thread to all "existing" issues. Some are lumped together, some completely ignored/deleted/closed due to being a "minority" issue and etc. Issue such as WIFI performance (ahh.. the complicated & varying degree of performance with WIFI) isn't even acknowledged by Asus (as you can see, we have no Official thread from Asus for that as it works to their "standard").
2. We have seen Asus, Tegra, Nvidia and etc is the best thread & post. I don't think I have to go further into this.....
3. We have an official ASUS PR person in this forum creating official thread. I still don't see an issue to vent/voice be heard in such thread. Plus, we can take the same approach with.. "if you want to praise Asus, simply go to OFFICIAL ASUS FORUM".
Also, if GPS history is anything go by.... XDA is a powerful forum.
4. Oh, and lastly.. how nice of you to create a .gif logo/banner as a recognized contributor in your signature. Yes, you certainly aren't active in this forum to be recognized & "stamp your authority" as I have once said in the past. =P
Ahh.. and yea, this is supposed to be a joke/sarcasm.. don't take it too "LITERALLY" either.
flub said:
Yeah but nothing is said when such threads are full of get well soon Gary, Asus is great, prime is best tablet ever and other posts along them lines. These posts are far less relevant than the complaints but we can fill forum as much as we like with I love asus type threads.
What happened to freedom of speach? this is supposed to be open forum good & bad points discussed
As I see it the moderation here has got so pro Asus I thought I was on Asus official forum.
Oh well I guess this thread will be closed now because I have stated my honest opinion and it aint pro asus. I will add again I have no probs with my prime, no reboots etc but I do feel those with probs are being treat unfairly
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Pro Asus? Really? Last time I checked we had way more threads and topics and such about other devices than Asus. But maybe I should check again....
I am correct. I used to be the forum moderator in this section, and I can tell you for a fact that plenty of junk was dealt with from the "OMG ASUS I WANT TO HAVE YOUR BABY!" threads/posts to the "OMG ASUS YOU SUCK A DONKEY'S TOE!".
shinzz said:
Series of flame & troll posts... I don't think that's possible with Transformer Prime. You have to take Transformer Prime's performance into account.. which has been... extremely diverse. I can make an argument that each device performs differently to each individual (ranging from satisfaction to extreme hate). This only leads to flame & trolling from both side of the fence...
While I do understand the point of threads being closed, consider that nothing with PRIME is definite (it acts way too wildly)... & we aren't exactly getting valuable information on the issue.... it's even difficult to pinpoint the reason for all the issue. This only leads to vague, general, and ultimately... "hypothesis/guesses" complaint threads.
If a "thread" gets hot & all the flame/troll leads to that one section.. why not just let that thread live on? It's going to be impossible to censor every thread nor can each individual really contribute in existing "complaint" threads already because everything is vague & just too many issue with Prime to count. Each "issue" deserves its own thread (by some individual), however.. each issue all leads or are connected to one another... & that ultimately will become an endless loop of off-topic discussion.
Edit: Btw, I am one of the biggest critic towards Asus... but I don't understand all the hate for delay in f/w update compared to OG Transformer & Pad 300. Yes, beta has been out for a while.. and yes... we can assume that it is being delayed due to bugs being found. If so, it means they have acknowledge the bugs & are working towards rectifying the issue. We all know that Prime has issues, which likely means it'll take longer with f/w compared to other devices. Judge the f/w update once it is released..... No reason to haste an unfinished f/w & compound more issue on already very unstable device.
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shinzz said:
Eh, not exactly true. That and I personally don't see any issue with directing all "complaints" in OFFICIAL ASUS thread. If all complaints, flames & trolls are being active in one thread.. it actually helps MODS.
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THIS.
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OMG
That has no place here its not Pro Asus, You won't get thanked for it. But I will thank you for Valid points you raised even though
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You are illustrating the subjective nature of experiences. You don't like anyone talking about how great ASUS might be due to your experience, but you are ok with talking about how terrible they are. You can't have it both ways.
Realize that Moderators are to take ALL things into consideration before acting instead of looking at one post and saying "OMG THIS ID10T NEEDS TO STOP POSTING".
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Amazing contribution that above post was Demandarin you certainly earned your award there
I thought personal attacks was a no no because that certainly reads like one to me.
Infact I would go so far to say certain users here are bordering on bullying
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No , its not.Its bravado , with some chest thumping thrown in
He got called out, and had no come back.He used the super tester in the other thread, and pulled out super poster in this one trying to intimidate, neither of the 2 makes any difference, except to him.He certainly doesn't intimidate me, and certainly doesnt change what the prime is right now in its current state.He's extremely worried about his reputation getting tarnished, as you can tell by his response.
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You are illustrating the subjective nature of experiences. You don't like anyone talking about how great ASUS might be due to your experience, but you are ok with talking about how terrible they are. You can't have it both ways.
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Jerdog
If you had bothered to read my posts you will have noticed that I have stated more than once that I have had no probs with my prime. Find posts where I have been blatently anti Asus or complained about my Prime
How hard is it to grasp what I am saying....
If its ok for all the pro Asus comments then it should also be ok for the complaints
I am not asking to have it both ways...the Pro camp already has it both ways, I believe in fairness
I am not anti Asus neither Pro Asus personally I could not give a flying fig either way but I do dislike the unfairness shown to those who complain. How many threads been closed in the last couple of weeks, One thread after 214 pages probably half of them sucking up to Asus yet nothing said to them but thread closed because users complained in unofficial/official thread. If you cannot see the unfairness in that.
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No , its not.Its bravado , with some chest thumping thrown in
He got called out, and had no come back.He used the super tester in the other thread, and pulled out super poster in this one trying to intimidate, neither of the 2 makes any difference, except to him.He certainly doesn't intimidate me, and certainly doesnt change what the prime is right now in its current state.
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Lol keyboard lag,
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