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Can anyone give any feedback on the performance of the Honeycomb update (official). I'm not interested in custom roms, unless they are close to stock.
I had the original Xoom and Honeycomb ran like crap on it. It was laggy and generally performed poorly. This, after two wipes. When the official update does come out, I'm debating staying on Gingerbread simply because it runs well. Considering that the Xoom had a dual-core processor, I'm wondering if performance will be even worse on the Flyer. Although it would be bad even if it was "as good" as it was on the Xoom.
this will come down to opinion. Having ran both I choose honeycomb. There is not real noticeable speed increase or dectease. No additional lag or anything I see. You lose the use of your hard buttons and have a honeycomb bar on the bottom of the screen. This can be removed if rooted using honeybar, but I would only do this if watching video and or playing video games. Honeycomb is better suited for tablets in my opinion. There are apps that make better use of the device, the homescreens are better configured due to widget sizing.
Coming from a phone with gingerbread when I got my Flyer I felt like, this is nice but it is just a large phone. Honeycomb makes it feel like a different device. If you need to make calls, or can not deal with the screen being shrunk a little, stick with gingerbread.
All roms out there for honeycomb are basically stock, or stock slightly tweaked under the hood. They all look exactly like stock less maybe a battery mod on one rom
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this will come down to opinion. Having ran both I choose honeycomb. There is not real noticeable speed increase or dectease. No additional lag or anything I see. You lose the use of your hard buttons and have a honeycomb bar on the bottom of the screen. This can be removed if rooted using honeybar, but I would only do this if watching video and or playing video games. Honeycomb is better suited for tablets in my opinion. There are apps that make better use of the device, the homescreens are better configured due to widget sizing.
Coming from a phone with gingerbread when I got my Flyer I felt like, this is nice but it is just a large phone. Honeycomb makes it feel like a different device. If you need to make calls, or can not deal with the screen being shrunk a little, stick with gingerbread.
All roms out there for honeycomb are basically stock, or stock slightly tweaked under the hood. They all look exactly like stock less maybe a battery mod on one rom
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Thanks, dude! I actually don't mind the Gingerbread version on the Flyer because HTC made so many tablet-like optimizations to it. I have seen that the pen is much more utilized in the Honeycomb version, which is a plus. My main concern was performance. My experience with the Xoom left a bad taste in my mouth. I had horrible memory leak issues, crashing, and generally bad performance. Gingerbread runs well, so I don't want to go back down that road.
Flyer was/is my first honeycomb device and I thought hc would be much buggier. It's pretty solid, so I tend to believe htc did a good job polishing it.
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Been on it for 2 days.
Hc makes much better use of the pen and tablet optimized gapps are a huge plus.
I haven't noticed any downside to making the jump so far. Some have reported wifi problems, but I haven't experienced that.
I loaded HC on my dad's Flyer and I can say that flash video performs much better on HC than it does on my GB View.
The Flyer can stream 720p from youtube and play Amazon prime video just fine but my GB View is limited to 480p from youtube and struggles with SD video from Amazon prime.
Subjectively, I find HC MUCH smoother and more pleasant to use than GB - the screen transitions are just silky smooth here, where they were notchy in GB. There are more apps I can use now, but some (e.g. Dolphin Browser, My Country) don't work anymore.
You do get a feeling that the bar is better suited for larger screens, and that you should be able to hide it. But I can sure live with it.
Haven't noticed any difference in raw speed, but the honeycomb os has features that make it easier to use and therefore faster to perform functions. Eg more shortcuts or widgets per screen, better gmail app, great task manager for easy multi tasking, and many more
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can anybody tell me major advantages of having honeycomb 3.2 except for better stylus support? (i dont hav a stylus)
beacause reading forums i found out following disadvantages of it....
1. hardware buttons gone (not a big one n its a +ve one saves a little bit of battery)
2. honey bar consumes space on screen (can be a lot annoying while gaming or reading)
3. many apps that people pruchased for GB are not working on HC(particularly games)
so should we upgrade for what benifits? should i stick to GB or i am missing something?
please help if i am wrong anywhere....
Multitasking better
Can fit more widgets and shortcuts on each screen
Better gmail app
Can run honeycomb only apps
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with GB flyer is USB client.... with HC will it giv USB host support?
I'll throw in my $.02 I guess. I used Honeycomb for about 24 hours. I had an Acer Iconia Tab for a day before I got my View, and to be honest HC was a big part of why I returned it. I'd never used HC before & I went into the experience with an open mind but ended up absolutely hating it. It kept slowing down, the taskbar was annoying(the buttons are too small & easy to miss), I didn't like how it forces you into landscape mode in many apps(I'm a diehard portrait girl), and I just didn't like the new menu structures or really anything about it honestly. I don't get the hype at all, I never once found myself thinking "Wow, this is so much better than gingerbread!" and if Sprint tries to push a HC update to my View I'm gonna decline it.
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3. many apps that people pruchased for GB are not working on HC(particularly games)
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Does anybody know where one can find a list of apps that work for GB, but not HC?
HC is faster and smoother than GB. The user interfaces are better integrated, not like a clunky big ass phone. The notification bar is far more useful. Everything just looks cleaner . I'd never consider going back to GB.
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I'll throw in my $.02 I guess. I used Honeycomb for about 24 hours. I had an Acer Iconia Tab for a day before I got my View, and to be honest HC was a big part of why I returned it. I'd never used HC before & I went into the experience with an open mind but ended up absolutely hating it. It kept slowing down, the taskbar was annoying(the buttons are too small & easy to miss), I didn't like how it forces you into landscape mode in many apps(I'm a diehard portrait girl), and I just didn't like the new menu structures or really anything about it honestly. I don't get the hype at all, I never once found myself thinking "Wow, this is so much better than gingerbread!" and if Sprint tries to push a HC update to my View I'm gonna decline it.
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Even on GB there are applications that will force you to landscape mode. Even if you have your rotation locked. Often this is because it simply works better this way. Mostly I've seen this though, is with games...
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I'd never consider going back to GB.
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it was a totally smooth and logical transition for me...over the weekend i will be trying to theme my GB phone to look like HC
Personal preference. I went to HC, can't see a reason to go back
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i guess it will still b USB client....in HC
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i guess it will still b USB client....in HC
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It's there and if it's not working in the stock ROM we now have kernel source and can recompile a kernel with that support included.
I heard from some people on the forum saying that HC on view is "sluggish." I am wondering if any early adopters can post their experience with HC on flyer/view.
Thanks
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I heard from some people on the forum saying that HC on view is "sluggish." I am wondering if any early adopters can post their experience with HC on flyer/view.
Thanks
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Not true at all in my experience. Honeycomb flies on my View. Much smoother than Gingerbread.
Its smoooooooooooooth like honey, no crumbs like gingerbread. No complaints at all.
And what's about whatsapp? And phone mode mod? Can I use flyer like phone with HC?
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I heard from some people on the forum saying that HC on view is "sluggish."
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no way, it's fantastic...looks good, works perfectly in my opinion
not a big point...but a valid one... that screen still cant move 4 ways.... only two sides available with HC as well....
cant wait to use other app that takes advantage of the pen
In my personal opinion, HC is a slight improvement on GB with regards to the UI but saying that, I've reverted to GB for these reasons....
1, certain apps need to be adjusted for screen use as HC is not optimised for 7" screens. Google earth loses its lookaround and zoom buttons, PocketCloud loses its keyboard/mouse selection bar and BBC iPlayer does not work at all because of the lack of embedded flash.
2, the menu bar is really annoying when playing full screen videos and games. It causes either a modification to the aspect ratio of the image or worse (as in the app cases above) a loss of lower screen functions.
Until the app developers mod their packages (and some may not) and a method of auto-hide real full screen usage is added by HTC, then I'm staying with GB.
I use the pen often for business and manage reasonably well without the extra integration.
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2, the menu bar is really annoying when playing full screen videos and games. It causes either a modification to the aspect ratio of the image or worse (as in the app cases above) a loss of lower screen functions.
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I agree with this.
I don't really want to get into aesthetics because it's very subjective, but there were a lot of functional things I liked about GB/Sense that are now gone:
1. full-screen widgets
2. the soft (off-screen) buttons
3. the "menu" button that, when on the home screen, showed some useful shortcuts (like task manager)
4. the permanent shortcuts on the bottom of the screen (obviously conflicts with the new Honeycomb bar)
I was excited for Honeycomb because of its newness but honestly I think the GB implementation on the View was pretty great, actually; it was more suited to the smaller screen. I haven't noticed a difference in performance (it was never an issue) either way.
Just been to the ASUS Benelux launch party and I had the chance to talk with the System Marketing manager at ASUS.
I added some more info (RED):
- I asked him about the GPS. He admitted that it is a hardware "failure" because of the aluminum back and that it will never reach the desired standard. However, he said they will NOT remove the GPS from the device and try to fix it a little with some more software updates. But he really pressed on the fact that they will NOT remove the GPS as rumored here...
- There were two ICS tablets present which he told were shipped from the Taiwan developers only for this launch and are send back later this weekend. The development menus were still present and next to the "eco", "balanced" and "normal" mode in the menu, I could also select a development mode. I wondered what this did to the tablet, but after some investigation in the settings menu it turned out that it clocked the CPU cores to 1.5GHZ or 1.6GHZ (see images below). This explains the tablets in the benchmarks Furthermore, there were alot of other development options, like forcing hardware acceleration to all applications (including 2D content). I ask him if the higher clock function will also be available in the retail ICS version, but sadly I won't But it shows that the tablet can easily be clocked higher than 1.4GHZ I tried to film the menus but the video turned out a bit fuzzy, if you want I can upload it tomorrow to youtube.
- They hooked up the tablet to a 3d tv and beamer and we could play 3d movies and riptide on it Was really nice and smooth!!
- Interesting fact he told too: The early development units of the Transformer Prime had a subwoofer built in the keyboard. However, these are removed from the retail versions
- I said the speakers were much better compared to the TF1. He explained that they made a design error there as the TF1 did have the same sized speakers but on one side it was in a much more cramped space. Therefore, they couldn't create the same size of resonance chambers as on the other side. This explains the difference in the loudness and bass of the sound on one of the sides like many users reported. He also told that they tried to patch that a little with levelling software, but it was a hardware issue. Therefore, to prevent the same problem, they opted for speakers on only one side on the TP.
- An entertainment dock for the TP will be introduced aswell. This is just some sort of a big speaker with a larger subwoofer where you can attach your prime to.
- Next to the origami sleeve, a full body sleeve will be introduced which will cover the tablet and the dock. That one will cost about €50,-
Maybe I forgot something, so questions... please ask!
Images are really large so I just linked to them:
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VIDEO ADDED (A BIT OUT OF FOCUS) but in the last part you can see a bit of the ICS UI on the TP, I will add another one which show the new task manager:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUDAalMwCuw&context=C3d100a6ADOEgsToPDskKACJiRPST2zNh3foSHjofa
Nice heads-up
Have you actually had the chance to play with a HC Prime before?
If so can you tell us if you noticed differences in speed and all those things?
I am pretty sure we can re-activate that dev-mode via custom ROMs
Did you see whether that powersaving - contrast reducing - broken feature when changing to powersave mode is present in ICS?
How about the custom Quicksettingsbar, does it look like the HC one?
Yes I have one myself and they had a few HC versions there too Sadly I did not noticed alot of speed differences between HC and ICS. Neither did other people who were testing them. It was still really smooth however, maybe the transitions were bit smoother than HC and the browser was a big improvement (no lag ). Also the keyboard lag was almost gone completely. But in terms of speed that was it, I think. Keep in mind that this was still a development version It did had alot less FCs than HC.
The quick settings bar was exactly the same as in the HC version (but with the Roboto font). I do not know about the power-saving feature, did not really paid attention to that but I did not see anything bad or funny happen when I switched to it (it did reduced the brightness like normal)...
dev mode
there are other things for dev mode like power saving being disabled, no timeout for screen and wifi always on, that sort of thing.
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there are other things for dev mode like power saving being disabled, no timeout for screen and wifi always on, that sort of thing.
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Yes true, I will upload the video tomorrow (getting late now and it is a large file). It is not very good quality but it shows the UI a bit and if you look carefully you can read the DEV menu settings
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Yes I have one myself and they had a few HC versions there too Sadly I did not noticed alot of speed differences between HC and ICS. Neither did other people who were testing them. It was still really smooth however, maybe the transitions were bit smoother than HC and the browser was a big improvement (no lag ). Also the keyboard lag was almost gone completely. But in terms of speed that was it, I think. Keep in mind that this was still a development version It did had alot less FCs than HC.
The quick settings bar was exactly the same as in the HC version (but with the Roboto font). I do not know about the power-saving feature, did not really paid attention to that but I did not see anything bad or funny happen when I switched to it (it did reduced the brightness like normal)...
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Nice to hear. Dev versions are normally way slower than release builds. So if the dev version runs the same speed we can be pretty sure ICS won't leave much place for complaints
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there are other things for dev mode like power saving being disabled, no timeout for screen and wifi always on, that sort of thing.
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Yea but those things are normal for any Android device. But ICS has way more options, that's pretty cool
Bedankt!
Did they also tell if the OC function was going to be a option in the final version which we get via OTA? Would be pretty cool, less need to root/unlock at least.
JoeyLe said:
Bedankt!
Did they also tell if the OC function was going to be a option in the final version which we get via OTA? Would be pretty cool, less need to root/unlock at least.
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Graag gedaan
Nope it won't like I said in the original post, only for ASUS devs At least, that was what he said... But I think our XDA devs have no problem to restore this feature
Did you ask about the bluetooth and wifi issues
Nope, but I tested it with both my HC version, the HC version they have there and the ICS version and they there was almost no impact on WIFI performance when bluetooth was on and vice versa. Wifi was fine during the party but they also placed one of their high end routers in the center of the room
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It was still really smooth however, maybe the transitions were bit smoother than HC and the browser was a big improvement (no lag ).
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I think the Prime on HC is plenty smooth and fast in general and don't really expect much improvement from ICS in this regard. However, if ICS manages to make for a better stock browsing experience, I think it'll pretty much live up to my expectations.
Good to hear. Hopefully my unit will not have any problems.
Did they already fix the hdmi audio issue, multi channel only relaying to left speaker?
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I think the Prime on HC is plenty smooth and fast in general and don't really expect much improvement from ICS in this regard. However, if ICS manages to make for a better stock browsing experience, I think it'll pretty much live up to my expectations.
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Yah I agree. The speed is top notch. The smoothness is just a bit below ipad standards but its fairly marginal and doesn't effect actual usage. I have been pleasantly surprised with the speed and even smoothness of HC after hearing so many complaints about it on tegra 2 and other devices. Heck even text input for me has been very good.
I wonder if they fixed:
1. browser bookmarks sync function, which simply does NOT work
2. battery details on apps in the settings does not work. We need to see app battery usage, not just system processes. ICS has a greatly advanced function they showed at the ICS conference, it better make it into the tablet and Asus better have improved the kernel to collect and display the data with the cool new ICS battery usage display
3. we need more and better widgets as the selection is a joke
YES! I love posts like these from people on the inside. Another reason to love xda so much. I'm really interested in that Dev. overclocking mode. if its said it can easily be clocked over 1.4Ghz then with developers here we might could possibly see 2Ghz or a lil higher. of course stability and heat is a major factor. This is all great news. plus I like how they said they will still release software updates to improve GPS as best as possible. ICS sounds like its nice also. Thanks again for this info OP. Prime seems to get better by the day. Plus I got my NEODROID(NeoGeo emulator) installed. we on a roll
edit: I wonder if those overclocks are across the board, all 4 cores, or on a single core. regardless it'll be faster n more powerful. I WANT IT NOW! lol
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Nope, but I tested it with both my HC version, the HC version they have there and the ICS version and they there was almost no impact on WIFI performance when bluetooth was on and vice versa. Wifi was fine during the party but they also placed one of their high end routers in the center of the room
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you're not going to notice the problem with Bluetooth and Wifi both just enabled. When Bluetooth is turned-on but nothing paired and in-use for then it is just as good as being off.
You have to pair a Bluetooth device and operate it in conjunction with the Wifi,
the best way is to stream something like video (i.e. Netflix, Youtube, Hulu, Amazon) on the Prime and listen to it in stereo with some stereo Bluetooth headphones. You're going to notice the problem in 1-3 minutes.
i really wonder if we can use all5 cores at once lol!
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you're not going to notice the problem with Bluetooth and Wifi both just enabled. When Bluetooth is turned-on but nothing paired and in-use for then it is just as good as being off.
You have to pair a Bluetooth device and operate it in conjunction with the Wifi,
the best way is to stream something like video (i.e. Netflix, Youtube, Hulu, Amazon) on the Prime and listen to it in stereo with some stereo Bluetooth headphones. You're going to notice the problem in 1-3 minutes.
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I was sending some photos which I took with the prime (8mp) to my mobile and in the meanwhile was browsing the web...
I know this question had been raised many times, just wanted to get/share a decent statistical view/review about Flyer-HC and Flyer-GB..
The Basic Qurstion Would Be:
Why HoneyComb ?
-Is it faster ?
-Is it more stable ?
-Does it have better application/game compatibility ? <-----Doubt this {Gameloft Stuff/Skyscape/Medical Apps}
-Does it look more eyecandy ? <-----Doubt this
Thanks for sharing your opinion
Speed difference is subjective
Personally I think honeycomb fits a tablet better. The ui is more suitable. If you are not willing to root I can see how some do not like the honeycomb bar. Honeycomb apps make better use of screen.
With LeeDroids tireless work, honeybar or honey hide, and LeeDroids tweaks apk, you get the best of all worlds.
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I know this question had been raised many times, just wanted to get/share a decent statistical view/review about Flyer-HC and Flyer-GB..
The Basic Qurstion Would Be:
Why HoneyComb ?
-Is it faster ?
-Is it more stable ?
-Does it have better application/game compatibility ? <-----Doubt this {Gameloft Stuff/Skyscape/Medical Apps}
-Does it look more eyecandy ? <-----Doubt this
Thanks for sharing your opinion
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To hell with all of that.
HC is closer to ICS.
And in all seriousness, way to have an unbias poll.
Compatibililty: Every single app that worked on my Flyer with Gingerbread works on my Flyer with Honeycomb. I have yet to find an app that Honecomb broke, and that includes games.
Speed: If anything, Honeycomb feels faster than Gingerbread, but the difference is minimal.
Eye Candy: there's not a huge differnce either way, though my Flyer with Honeycomb still feels fresh to me and feels very polished.
Stability: after the last Gingerbread security update, Sense would frequently crash on me. not so with honeycomb.
Expanded capabilities: The pen now works in all applications. Yeah!
Fixes: Arrow keys now map correctly on a bluetooth keyboard when the Flyer is propped up in landscape mode.
Why HoneyComb ?
-Is it faster...everything works and feels smoother to me
-Is it more stable...was never unstable and still isn't
-Does it have better application/game compatibility? never had had compatibility, still don't
-Does it look more eyecandy? yes, definitely...GB on the flyer made it look like a big ugly phone...HC is a heaps better user experience and makes more sense
I prefer Honeycomb, as it offers a better tablet experience than Gingerbread, which is a phone based interface.
Why HoneyComb ?
@jaguaralani maybe it would be better if you ask the reason they used HC instead of GB on Flyer or vise versa.
Main Reason : added pen functionality! SketchBook! lately start using it on Quill. awesome experience.
Application compatibility : HC - i can use Whatsapp Messenger, which is not possible on stock GB.
what about battery life comparism? i haven't notice on GB, but on Lee's HC ROM it stay around 5~6 hours with wifi + 3G and moderate usage.
It really boils down to GB is a phone OS, and HC is a Tab OS. Aside from app compatibility (which falls on app devs, not the OS itself) I vote HC hands down. For all functionality & looks.
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No comparison two different worlds.
Now I wish the walls could be torn down between Operating systems and treat them as apps running on a much more capable device so we could choose what we would like to run.
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I was running Honeycomb since the day the OTA came to the UK (so a few months now), but last weekend I decided I'd had enough and downgraded. Though it was a slightly harrowing experience, I'm very glad I did...
I very much dislike the updates that have been made to the Sense apps in honeycomb. Having text on each button rather than just the icon looks ugly on such a small screen and swallows precious real-estate. The browser is almost unusable in landscape mode because of this, and there's no option to hide the toolbar!
Lack of a real full-screen mode in Honeycomb really hurts the Flyer imo. 1024x600 is already quite a narrow aspect ratio and isn't particularly high-res. To reduce the vertical resolution by 32 pixels (I think that's the size of the shortcut bar), with no way of opting out is too annoying. It really badly affects games and video watching.
Though the frame-rate on the launcher is generally a bit better in Honeycomb, it reloaded a lot more often and would often pause for noticeable periods - more so than the launcher in Gingerbread. I also don't like how the Sense widgets have shrunk - the big full-screen widgets are one of the things I really like on the Flyer.
So all in all, playing games, browsing and watching videos are all worse for me on Honeycomb. Given these are the three things I do on the Flyer the most, I have to say it's Gingerbread for me... I miss some of the updated tablet apps and the improved performance (in some scenarios at least), but it doesn't outweigh all that's wrong with it either.
I really hope if/when ICS comes out, that they revert to the phone-style layout with hardware keys and a smaller, drag-down panel. It'd be nice if they could enable that interface with tablet apps, but I'd pick a big android phone over a tiny android tablet any day.
It really comes down to whether you like a tablet experience or a big phone. No offense to GB lovers but go play with the EVO 3D and then the Flyer running GB, similar feel.
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All I know is that I wish I never accepted the OTA Honeycomb update. My Flyer has been slow and buggy every since. Browser crashes a lot, flash hangs. Never used to happen on Gingerbread. Issues persist, even with custom ROMs. Can't even downgrade, due to newer HBOOT that is unsupported by revolutionary. I'm just hoping ICS clears things up.
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All I know is that I wish I never accepted the OTA Honeycomb update. My Flyer has been slow and buggy every since. Browser crashes a lot, flash hangs. Never used to happen on Gingerbread. Issues persist, even with custom ROMs. Can't even downgrade, due to newer HBOOT that is unsupported by revolutionary. I'm just hoping ICS clears things up.
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your issues are not common and to me would indicate an issue other than HC. and I believe if your Hnoot is supported by HTC Dev Unlock you should be able to roll back
FWIW, i rooted and installed the HC OTA on my View yesterday, adn i love it 10x more..to the poster who said GB makes it seem like a big ugly phone, you're so right. the screen is NOWHERE near as nice as my rezound, and it literally just seemed like a giant rezound..so i put HC on it, and damn, everything just looks so much cooler! i love the tablet UI much more.
for that LeeDroid tweaks, is that only on the flyer, or can i use that stuff on my View too?
Put HC on it last night and ended up playing with it for 3 hours after and I am paying for that now! Sooo tired.
Anyway, it is definitely a different experience then GB and makes it feel a lot different then my phone. Sense widgets are a little weird and the use of screen real estate for the launcher is questionable but I like it better right now. Need more time to play though.
The big question is will the wife like it. It is mainly her tablet and she hates change! I am expecting a lot of screaming to come out of her today of how much she hates it and I need to put GB back because she doesn't know how to do anything on HC. Will give you the follow-up report. She hasn't even seen it yet
Neither...
Both have their advantages and both have their disadvantages.
Overall, I think I prefer Honeycomb on my View. I am on stock. I like being able to use the pen more. I like the way the widgets work on the homescreens. The bottom bar mostly doesn't bother me, as I think more apps will build in support for dimming it. Since ther used to be a notification bar on top, I don't think the loss of screen real estate is that big of a deal.
Some issues I have had are that I seem to get more system force closes, but not enough to be bothersome. The stock browser crashes a lot, but I use Dolphin now, so no big deal. The keyboard is sometimes glitchy when editing text.
My other family members have elected to stay on GB because they like the capacitive buttons and don't care as much about being able to use the pen.
HC gives a more natural UI experience when used in landscape mode, with the bar at the bottom. Easier to reach, in a more natural way, in my opinion.
I've rooted GB to have phone function. Obviously GB for me since HC cannot have phone function.
Also, as previous HC user, I find HC not stable. Probably its stable now. But I'm not willing to take the risk and lose my phone function.
Phone has already been added by LeeDroid in his latest honeycomb Rom.
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I'm fed up with waiting for UK premiere of kindle fire so I decided to buy something that is now on the market.
My choice if HTC flyer as it was discounted recently and I'm looking for something in reasonable price. Would you recommend it? I am little bit afraid after I bought HTC sensation. I was really disappointed with various flaws of that device and would rather avoid it happening again so I'm waiting for you're opinion, do you like it or would you bought something else? Did you experienced any problems?
I'm thinking also about ZTE light tab 2 any other alternatives?
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I love me View. Excellent quality. The weight is heavy for some, but I think it makes it feel solid. It is also very snappy on both GB and HC. If the price is right jump on it.
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I like it better than the kindle fire. I have both.
yup
I've owned a few 7" devices and this was well ahead of the rest, I even tried the galaxy 7" plus and liked the Flyer more, It's polished and well built, but only at the right price, if you are paying full price might want to get something newer..... might not.
Neil
Depends on the price, I got one for £235, I think it's good for the price, very good built quailty, pen is quite usable time to time, but abit heavy.
Bear in mind you can get Archos 80 G9 for the same price last time I check, which is duel core, 8 inch, and 250gb internal. Bad screen apparently but I hvnt seen one in real life so dont know. KICK STAND aswell!
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Archos: http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/27056571/Archos-80-G9-8-inch-250GB-WiFi-3G-GPS-Android-3-2-Honeycomb-Tablet-PC/Product.html?searchtype=allproducts&searchsource=0&searchstring=archos+80+g9+250&urlrefer=search&P36=WDQGTJ&affid=hotukdeals&awc=buyat&_$ja=tsid:11516|prd:hotukdeals
Flyer: http://www.expansys.com/htc-flyer-16gb-wi-fi-only-225640/?ico=hpage&icl=HH&icc=Price
Beenees said:
Depends on the price, I got one for £235, I think it's good for the price, very good built quailty, pen is quite usable time to time, but abit heavy.
Bear in mind you can get Archos 80 G9 for the same price last time I check, which is duel core, 8 inch, and 250gb internal. Bad screen apparently but I hvnt seen one in real life so dont know. KICK STAND aswell!
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Archos: http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/27056571/Archos-80-G9-8-inch-250GB-WiFi-3G-GPS-Android-3-2-Honeycomb-Tablet-PC/Product.html?searchtype=allproducts&searchsource=0&searchstring=archos+80+g9+250&urlrefer=search&P36=WDQGTJ&affid=hotukdeals&awc=buyat&_$ja=tsid:11516|prd:hotukdeals
Flyer: http://www.expansys.com/htc-flyer-16gb-wi-fi-only-225640/?ico=hpage&icl=HH&icc=Price
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I considered Archos as well but lack of RAM makes me worried that device might be lagging.
I have the Archos 80 as well and, while it is my favorite device for reading because the screen is larger and it is thin, the Flyer/View is overall a snappier device.
Edit : Archos is supposed.to be getting ICS this month and there are rumors of a 1gb RAM version to be released.
I sold my HTC Sensation and Kindle Keyboard WIFI then got myself an HTC Evo View. Happy camper here. Ebooks, medical programs, record keeping, media consumption, email, internet... At the 299 USD, the unit is cost effective for me.
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I am little bit afraid after I bought HTC sensation. I was really disappointed with various flaws of that device and would rather avoid it happening again
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What flaws exactly?
The Kindle Fire is junk compared to the Flyer. Flyer has much higher build quality, more memery, more storage, and a ton of features lacking on the Fire (MicroSD card slot, pen support, GPS, Bluetooth, cameras, microphone, gyro). Its like comparing a sports car with all the options to a stripped down compact car. Not sure what the prices the OP is looking at. But for a while in the US the Flyer was going for only $100 more than the Fire, and for what you get on the Flyer, that is a bargain.
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What flaws exactly?
The Kindle Fire is junk compared to the Flyer. Flyer has much higher build quality, more memery, more storage, and a ton of features lacking on the Fire (MicroSD card slot, pen support, GPS, Bluetooth, cameras, microphone, gyro). Its like comparing a sports car with all the options to a stripped down compact car. Not sure what the prices the OP is looking at. But for a while in the US the Flyer was going for only $100 more than the Fire, and for what you get on the Flyer, that is a bargain.
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Check my posts, I actually started thread about all the issues with Sensation, most of them are solved now but they shouldn't happen for that price.
Decision made I'm going for flyer. Hell with kindle fire,I was only considering it because I don't need high end device for my needs and price was reasonable, but flyer price is reasonable as well and it is so much better. I'm going to buy it in next few days.
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leyus said:
Check my posts, I actually started thread about all the issues with Sensation, most of them are solved now but they shouldn't happen for that price.
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Its a bit ridiculous to come on here asking if the Flyer will have the same problems as your Sensation, and expect us to dig around in your post history to see what those issues were. If you want you question answered, why not just explain in a sentence or 2 what those issues were?
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Its a bit ridiculous to come on here asking if the Flyer will have the same problems as your Sensation, and expect us to dig around in your post history to see what those issues were. If you want you question answered, why not just explain in a sentence or 2 what those issues were?
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I am not sure did you actually read my post?
At which point I asked will my Flyer have same issues as my Sensation? I just mention I had lots of problems with my Sensation and asked did you experienced any problems whatsover with Flyer. Two separed things. I would not expect you to have same problems with Flyer as I had with Sensation, however as I experienced some and I am not the only user who had them with this model I was a little bit afraid of buying HTC device after this. To summarise any problems with Flyer would worry me.
It is not important anymore as I bought HTC Flyer already and I am just waiting for delivery.
I have not wrote thousends of posts so it will not be difficult to find but if you really want to know those were:
1. Screen not working while charging - solved but shoul not be there
2. Terrible battery life (10 - 14 hours on heavy use) that is something, that would not bothere me with tablet, but it was extremely annoying with phone.
3. Clumsy Stock Rom and small choice o Custom Roms at this point - solved, Hypoersensation Rom FTW
4. Few smaller issues
And once again I don't care do you have any of those issues with HTC Flyer, for example second point is unimportant in tablet for me, however before I bought I would like not to have device that again will have more then 2-3 bugs which upset many users and which which you have to fully deal on your own.
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I am not sure did you actually read my post?
At which point I asked will my Flyer have same issues as my Sensation? I just mention I had lots of problems with my Sensation and asked did you experienced any problems whatsover with Flyer. Two separed things.
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If that's what you meant, then that is what you should have said, which you clearly did not:
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My choice if HTC flyer as it was discounted recently and I'm looking for something in reasonable price. Would you recommend it? I am little bit afraid after I bought HTC sensation. I was really disappointed with various flaws of that device and would rather avoid it happening again so I'm waiting for you're opinion
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To me your OP very much sounds like you were asking if the specific problems on your Sensation applied to the Flyer. Even so, unless a person is pretty familiar with that phone, we would have no idea of the type of magnitude of the problems you were talking about. Give us some frame of reference. And if somebody is trying to help you and answer your question, don't tell them to dig around your post history to gather than information. You want to make it easier for people to help you, not harder.
But to answer your question, now that you've defined it much better: I haven't personally had any significant issues with my Flyer. Not sure what you mean by clumsy stock ROM. But I'm a person that is very willing to switch ROMs to get more features and/or better performance. I probably do so on my phone on average every couple of months, sometimes much more often. I've been very satisfied with the stock Flyer ROM, and haven't had much reason to try changing it, aside from upgrading from GB to HC.
The tablet is really snappy, and does everything well that I use it for (web browsing, reading eBooks and comics, watching video and a little gaming). Its really well built, and have had very little issues of apps freezing or FC. The build quality and feel are really great. Depending on the level of use, I easily get a day out of the battery with moderate use, and 2 days with lighter use.
Of course, with any manufacturing process, there will be occasional defective units. Or fluke issues that some users on here have mentioned, but don't seem widespread. But from spending a good amount of time on these forums, the only real consistent problems with the Flyer I can think of are:
1) Honeycomb upgrade not compatible with some software (particularly some games). Completely depends on what apps you use. It hasn't been an issue to me at all.
2) I had an issue where it would sometimes not connect to my PC over USB, but if I unplugged it, and plugged USB in again, it would connect. It was pretty annoying, as this would happen maybe 50% of the time, and sometimes take multiple attempts of re-plugging in to make it work. But I still would consider this a pretty minor bug. And once I upgraded to HC, this issue completely disappeared.
3) Some people have mentioned slower performance after upgrading to HC. I haven't experienced this at all. The performance is just as snappy as GB on my Flyer. And considering that HC has a bit more animations and still performing as fast as GB, makes me feel that HTC did a good job on the ROM. I upgraded using the "unofficial" globatron method.
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If that's what you meant, then that is what you should have said, which you clearly did not:
To me your OP very much sounds like you were asking if the specific problems on your Sensation applied to the Flyer. Even so, unless a person is pretty familiar with that phone, we would have no idea of the type of magnitude of the problems you were talking about. Give us some frame of reference. And if somebody is trying to help you and answer your question, don't tell them to dig around your post history to gather than information. You want to make it easier for people to help you, not harder.
But to answer your question, now that you've defined it much better: I haven't personally had any significant issues with my Flyer. Not sure what you mean by clumsy stock ROM. But I'm a person that is very willing to switch ROMs to get more features and/or better performance. I probably do so on my phone on average every couple of months, sometimes much more often. I've been very satisfied with the stock Flyer ROM, and haven't had much reason to try changing it, aside from upgrading from GB to HC.
The tablet is really snappy, and does everything well that I use it for (web browsing, reading eBooks and comics, watching video and a little gaming). Its really well built, and have had very little issues of apps freezing or FC. The build quality and feel are really great. Depending on the level of use, I easily get a day out of the battery with moderate use, and 2 days with lighter use.
Of course, with any manufacturing process, there will be occasional defective units. Or fluke issues that some users on here have mentioned, but don't seem widespread. But from spending a good amount of time on these forums, the only real consistent problems with the Flyer I can think of are:
1) Honeycomb upgrade not compatible with some software (particularly some games). Completely depends on what apps you use. It hasn't been an issue to me at all.
2) I had an issue where it would sometimes not connect to my PC over USB, but if I unplugged it, and plugged USB in again, it would connect. It was pretty annoying, as this would happen maybe 50% of the time, and sometimes take multiple attempts of re-plugging in to make it work. But I still would consider this a pretty minor bug. And once I upgraded to HC, this issue completely disappeared.
3) Some people have mentioned slower performance after upgrading to HC. I haven't experienced this at all. The performance is just as snappy as GB on my Flyer. And considering that HC has a bit more animations and still performing as fast as GB, makes me feel that HTC did a good job on the ROM. I upgraded using the "unofficial" globatron method.
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Thank you for your answer.
I did not provided what issues I had with Sensation because I did not consider it relevant as my intention was to find out about any issues flyer might have. mentioning my phone was only done to give an example of situation were Htc sold device witch had many unsolved problems and I was trying to avoid that kind of situation again. Anyway my flyer arrived by ***** today and I am quite happy with it do far although I had only about 30 minutes to pay with it.
By clumsy stock ROM I meant that for example sensation was actually working slower (there is many videos on YouTube showing this) then Htc desire because stock ROM was so bad. after todays experience it seems like this is not the case with flyer.
I do change my roms but still there is no reason why Htc would do clumsy software, even if I'm planning to change it then for as you mention better performance a and additional options not because stock one is unbearable.
Thanks once again.
Sent from my Sensation using XDA App
leyus said:
By clumsy stock ROM I meant that for example sensation was actually working slower (there is many videos on YouTube showing this) then Htc desire because stock ROM was so bad. after todays experience it seems like this is not the case with flyer.
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Yeah, I don't think you'll have any issues with the snappiness and response of the Flyer in the long term either. The thing just "flies" no matter what I throw at it, whether on GB or HC.
leyus said:
Anyway my flyer arrived by ***** today
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That's no way to talk about your delivery person. LOL
redpoint73 said:
Yeah, I don't think you'll have any issues with the snappiness and response of the Flyer in the long term either. The thing just "flies" no matter what I throw at it, whether on GB or HC.
That's no way to talk about your delivery person. LOL
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***** suppose to mean post, damn auto correction
This device is absolutely awesome. Upgraded to Hc few minutes ago but so far on GB it was best stock ROM I experienced so far with HTC devices (wildfire had too slow -rooted sensation - terrible, rooted, desire HD and s were ok but rooted them anyway with flyer I don't feel tempted to root it because it works so well), everything works ok no issues whatsoever. Awesome device for that money.
Sent from my HTC Flyer P512 using XDA App
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That's no way to talk about your delivery person. LOL
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I was gonna ask, which delivery service did you use?
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Best part about the flyer is the pen. Enjoy
GB was better then HC after few days experience, will w8 for root and will go back Except that awesome device.
I'm now afraid to answer you guys from my mobile since I know how auto corrections works
If you find it funny (I do ):
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I don't want to create a new thread so I hope people don't mind I revive this; on amazon the 16GB Wifi Flyer is £189.99 but a Playbook is 169.99. Now obviously I know the limitations of the Playbook, it has only select Android apps ported/available but it has a dual core CPU.
I'm not desperate to get a tablet but these prices do make it quite attractive (usually you'll get cheapo stuff at this range). Has anyone had experience of both tablets?