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Hey all...I'm VERY new to all of this rooting stuff...still reading about it and I can't seem to wrap my head around it....Not sure if I'd be crossing a line by asking this, but here it goes....are there people on here that would actually root a phone for someone if they (ie..me) are to stupid to do so?
Of course there would be compensation involved.
Thanks for any info!!!
If you are new to the point that you are not comfortable following the steps needed to root your phone then I would say that you should not be worrying about rooting your phone at this point.
Why do I say this? It is because you will want to flash a myriad of Roms after your phone is rooted, which I guarantee will cause issues that you will not be able to figure out on your own.
You also need to ask yourself what it is that you hope to gain from rooting your phone. The stock Thunderbolt has bloat no doubt, but it is generally compatible with apps and is about to receive the Gingerbread OTA (non-root users theorize) fairly soon.
What do you want that can only be accomplished by rooting your phone at this point? If you cannot answer that question, then I hope you will take my advice and do some reading on this site, and one or two other sites, until you are ready to root your phone without paying someone to do it for you.
One other thing. Please do not create posts asking about the proverbial 'Best Rom'. There is no such thing.
Just my .02 cents!
I appreciate the info....Thanks!!!
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I appreciate the info....Thanks!!!
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You're very welcome. I hope that I did not scare you off of rooting, but it is something that should not be done without some careful thought before hand.
For $100 I'll root your phone.
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I've rooted several devices for friends that have no intention of using clockworkmod. They simply want the advantages of root and to run a new ROM like CM7. I'd be happy to do it for money, and I don't think the end user of a rooted devices needs to know jack about it rooting it to enjoy the benefits. In short, I'm happy to root a device for someone as long as I know they aren't going to get in there and brick the thing somehow and come to me to fix it like it's my problem. Most people are decent enough to do that.
if you look online(or in your local yellow pages), you can find shops locally that will fix, root, etc your cell phone.
just here in San Diego there's about a dozen places that offer these services.
although i will tell you... the first time you figure out you have a problem with your carb and it's bad enough that you can't drive your car... then a "friend" tells you, just bring the carb over here & we'll fix it for you... then you're just standing there looking at the carb and thinking "uhhh..."
now that's rooting a phone x 10 difficultly.
I'll do it for free, teach you how i did it, and give you the basic knowledge of how not to brick. Where are you located?
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I'll do it for free, teach you how i did it, and give you the basic knowledge of how not to brick. Where are you located?
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Good man. There is a one touch root available.. more like several clicks but its easy.
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I'll do it for free, teach you how i did it, and give you the basic knowledge of how not to brick. Where are you located?
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My offer still stands. Pm me if you're interested.
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^^^
You sir are a gentleman. I can honestly say that just about everyone who uses Droid theory 's roms are helpful nice individuals.
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You sir are a gentleman. I can honestly say that just about everyone who uses Droid theory 's roms are helpful nice individuals.
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I didn't have anybody to guide me when i first started and i know how frustrating it can be. And you never know, he may be the next great developer with the right start. I have been the "tech support" for my entire family who I converted to android. It would be nice to teach someone who will want to learn as opposed to my family who just says here you do it...
And you are right on the money when you say ppl who use Th3orys roms are nice and helpful. I have learned a great deal from that community.
I am not a dev, just someone who knows how to implement the awesome features created by the community here at XDA.
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I know we are going off topic but I feel the same way. If people did not get smart with other users and just be helpful people would have a great time learning.
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Dang if I was near my laptop which my dad has webx on I would do it for you. I have rooted a bunch of phones for friends and family and I find it especially fun teaching them what root, roms, etc. can help them achieve. Today I rooted my friends sensation so he would have the sensation xe (beats audio) options and speed. If you feel that your stock phone seems slow rooting, overclocking and debloating or changing the ROM can definitely help you!
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I would do it for 30 and make sure your phone gets back to you with lots of extra programs you will need. Plus 5 bucks shipping back.
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"If i helped you please thank me"
Hey dev ....I was wo.dering if someone can make a video of when yall making a ROM so the noobs like me or the ones that trying to learn like me ...on how to do a ROM or what it takes to make a ROM...if one of u great devs make a video would be great that means more people trying to do devs and more noobs will not be more longer call noob cuz they will know a little bit of whatever you teaaching on the video.....why not try to educate us by doing that plz....I think will be great....for an xda guide for anyphone or similar....plz dont flame this if u dont agree whit what im saying aint good....im expecting to see good respond s and hopefully one or morw then one devs make videos of what they doing and how to do it ..thank you ......
JGLM4_ ....
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i actually like this idea. if a dev makes a vid of him building the entire rom, it could be like hundreds of hours long. still like the idea
I don't do much themeing or building of AOSP ROMs but in my experience it would be a very boring video lol Mostly trial and error and reading logcats to see what works and what doesn't
Like I say on the top ...dont matter what it takes
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like the idea. it doesn't have to be a full length video, maybe can be broken by sections or steps then organized later.
Hell, even a podcast would be sweet!
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Hell, even a podcast would be sweet!
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Lolz i like that yall like the idea but every devs saying is alot of work and aint worth it ..i guess i just keep dreaming ....hope one dev have the hearth to do this ....anyways time to sleep like an android lolz
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OMG! Somebody ppppppllllleeeeeaaasssseeeee get these rooted and some custom ROM's out!!! I wanna shoot myself on how terrible this factory ROM is!!!! UGH!!! Slower than a pregnant yak trying to walk up hill in a snowstorm!!
Be patient Im sure they are working on it . It can't be easy otherwise guys like me and you would have done it.
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Please, never post like this again if you're going to stay a part of this forum. The phone isn't even officially released, that's the price you pay for getting it two days early. The devs we will have didn't have their hands on the phone, let alone a system dump, so how the hell do you expect them to have something already? And no matter how much you think it does, your self entitled complaining really doesn't help development, rather, it slows it down. Devs don't like having to deal with people like you that are all about "gimme gimme gimme" with no help for them in return. Patience is a virtue, I suggest you find some.
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Anyway check the board it's already been rooted.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1501589&page=4
I do find the stock rom to be surprisingly buggy, but it seems pretty fast already. More bloat than I've ever seen...
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I have created a rom and themed it. But i wnt some performance tweaks and some apps which i could integrate in settings.apk
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I have created a rom and themed it. But i wnt some performance tweaks and some apps which i could integrate in settings.apk
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maybe u coulf add rom control with its tweaks?
So start looking at performance tweaks and such, and if you are adding some stuff to pre-compiled APKs then look into smali and the tools you need to use to manipulate it.
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So start looking at performance tweaks and such, and if you are adding some stuff to pre-compiled APKs then look into smali and the tools you need to use to manipulate it.
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Smali is too hard for me! I only undrstnd xml
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Smali is too hard for me! I only undrstnd xml
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If all you understand is XML then you are going to be hard pressed as what you want to do will need to be done by editing the smali or the Java source code
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Oh boy...I just love it when people start saying
"I'm building a ROM", "I'm doing dev work", "I want to be a recognized developer"
Then I make suggestions and I get "That's too hard", "Do you have a download link" "Cn u teac me hw mak a custm kernel?"
Yet they are totally unwilling to actually invest some time into these things and LEARN it.
Guy's Rome wasn't built in a day, and your ROM isn't going to be either. Look around, read, SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH. Download other people's stuff not just to Kang it, rename/re-post it under your name, but to LEARN, to figure out how it works, so you can UNDERSTAND. This isn't like a store, where you walk in and go "I want one of those, and I'll take one of them, and please get me that, where can I find this, etc, etc." Make little modifications, tweaks on top of tweaks, and keep doing that until it's soemthing new, soemthing different, and THEN post it. But please don't limit yourself, to what is "Easy" or "Comfortable", it's not the way to get anywhere with real development work, much less in life. Put some time into it, and some effort. I really do wish you all luck, but you guys have to stop looking for the easy way to get some quick credit.
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@OP I know of zero performance modifications that you can do in XML, and if you are looking to use someone else's work and use that then start searching and make sure you ask before you use it.
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Oh boy...I just love it when people start saying
"I'm building a ROM", "I'm doing dev work", "I want to be a recognized developer"
Then I make suggestions and I get "That's too hard", "Do you have a download link" "Cn u teac me hw mak a custm kernel?"
Yet they are totally unwilling to actually invest some time into these things and LEARN it.
Guy's Rome wasn't built in a day, and your ROM isn't going to be either. Look around, read, SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH. Download other people's stuff not just to Kang it, rename/re-post it under your name, but to LEARN, to figure out how it works, so you can UNDERSTAND. This isn't like a store, where you walk in and go "I want one of those, and I'll take one of them, and please get me that, where can I find this, etc, etc." Make little modifications, tweaks on top of tweaks, and keep doing that until it's soemthing new, soemthing different, and THEN post it. But please don't limit yourself, to what is "Easy" or "Comfortable", it's not the way to get anywhere with real development work, much less in life. Put some time into it, and some effort. I really do wish you all luck, but you guys have to stop looking for the easy way to get some quick credit.
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@OP I know of zero performance modifications that you can do in XML, and if you are looking to use someone else's work and use that then start searching and make sure you ask before you use it.
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This.
You won't develop a ROM overnight. Go learn some real programming and stop compiling other peoples work and making a ROM that is "your own."
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rohan32 said:
This.
You won't develop a ROM overnight. Go learn some real programming and stop compiling other peoples work and making a ROM that is "your own."
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Who are you referring it to? I cooked a rom and I think that I have made the rom. Of you don't have anything to help me then please don't comment. I don't understand smali but I know how to read tutorials and add more features in the rom by smali editing like swipe to remove, 14 toggle etc.
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I never ask for an easy way out. I add features in my rom manually!!
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He was being helpful, he is bringing up a attitude that is rampant here on XDA, namely the "cooking" of ROMs. There are WAY too many people who just cook a ROM in a kitchen and claim to have "developed" it. No, you just re-packaged somebody's work, it's not the same thing. I'm not saying it's useless, but it causes way to many "developer" wanna-be's that just aren't interested in actually learning something. Up above we posted suggestions and you responded with
Smali is too hard for me! I only undrstnd xml
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That creates the impression that you aren't wanting to try any other methods for creating ROMs. If you were trying to say that you don't know smali, then maybe you should have said something like,
I don't know smali so I'm not sure how well I could implement features like that. Do you guys have any suggestions?
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Not only is that easier to read, but it also communicates much more clearly what you are trying to say/ask. But the way that post is currently worded it makes it sound like you are just wanting to re-package somebody's work and use it as your own.
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He was being helpful, he is bringing up a attitude that is rampant here on XDA, namely the "cooking" of ROMs. There are WAY too many people who just cook a ROM in a kitchen and claim to have "developed" it. No, you just re-packaged somebody's work, it's not the same thing. I'm not saying it's useless, but it causes way to many "developer" wanna-be's that just aren't interested in actually learning something. Up above we posted suggestions and you responded with
That creates the impression that you aren't wanting to try any other methods for creating ROMs. If you were trying to say that you don't know smali, then maybe you should have said something like,
Not only is that easier to read, but it also communicates much more clearly what you are trying to say/ask. But the way that post is currently worded it makes it sound like you are just wanting to re-package somebody's work and use it as your own.
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This is very true, I'm new to porting and I'm starting with porting so I can learn the ins and outs of a rom so at a later time I can learn to develop, even in porting I've had to back smali and make some edits to get things working so sooner or later you will have to as well.. I'm currently reading a begginers guide on java for android.. Google is my best friend and I'm trying to learn as much as I can because I have an idea of my 'ideal' rom.. I can't wait for someone else to do it so I can port it and I know it will never be the way I want.. I'm doing it mainly for myself and I hope one day I can share with others
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Best thing to do is get on the good side of a dev and ask them to teach you, I had great help from some of the best devs on XDA, but as above its not something you can just learn easily, I already had a pretty good knowledge of Java and XMLs etc before i got a smart phone lol, If you stick to it then you should get somewhere, Java is a pain in the ass though, editing .smalis is probably the hardest thing for a new dev
Think About It
TO GET STARTED
Fix Bugs
Test it,
Decompile APKS and modify them if you have permission
Add features and tweaks
Put it up on git.
Help YOUR USERS and stop asking silly questions
snowman77 said:
TO GET STARTED
Fix Bugs
Test it,
Decompile APKS and modify them if you have permission
Add features
Put it up on git
Help YOUR USERS and stop asking silly questions
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Done all dat.. Srry to ask dis question. Seems like people here are not helpful. Everyone is a flamer.
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Done all dat.. Srry to ask dis question. Seems like people here are not helpful. Everyone is a flamer.
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I haven't seen one post of someone flaming you in this thread. We tried to give you some advice and you said it was too "hard" so we all shut up and left you alone.
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I haven't seen one post of someone flaming you in this thread. We tried to give you some advice and you said it was too "hard" so we all shut up and left you alone.
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I prefer bein left alone so pls dont comment again..
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I prefer bein left alone so pls dont comment again..
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Well then you shouldn't have started the thread, I'm not trying to "flame" by any means... but if you wanna add some performance settings and mods I'll give you some advice thewadegeek gave me, take a look at aokps or cm9 or whoever's git repo you feel has some similar features to those you wish to add and start there, you'll get a good understanding of how everything works... at that point it comes to the fine details and making sure everything works.. when you have issues at that point you then can ask for help on getting the fine details fixed since at that time you'll have specific issues that someone can help with
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Well then you shouldn't have started the thread, I'm not trying to "flame" by any means... but if you wanna add some performance settings and mods I'll give you some advice thewadegeek gave me, take a look at aokps or cm9 or whoever's git repo you feel has some similar features to those you wish to add and start there, you'll get a good understanding of how everything works... at that point it comes to the fine details and making sure everything works.. when you have issues at that point you then can ask for help on getting the fine details fixed since at that time you'll have specific issues that someone can help with
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Thanks.. Thats what I wanted
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Thanks.. Thats what I wanted
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No problem man, good luck to ya
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I have been a regular user for a long time here and I don't like what I see and read here the last weeks.
Users being disrespectfull,demanding etc. And why?
People are working hard on the things they like to do most: hacking, porting, developing. But the reactions some get...
We have rules here at XDA,but some things are also just common sense.
Please show that you know how to behave and it will be more fun again for all of us.
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I am also regular at this site everyday. But, some noobs just want the dev's to get out of this community.
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dnle71 said:
I am also regular at this site everyday. But, some noobs just want the dev's to get out of this community.
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They are gonna enjoy when all of us will be moving to other devices. Arjen already bought S3
I'm going too.
Adam is going for nexus 7, soon enough
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They are gonna enjoy when all of us will be moving to other devices. Arjen already bought S3
I'm going too.
Adam is going for nexus 7, soon enough
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Its true they say. one bad fish spoils the entire pond
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Its true they say. one bad fish spoils the entire pond
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Yes, but there ain't any one single N00B fish in the O1 pond. There are many
_Arjen_ said:
I have been a regular user for a long time here and I don't like what I see and read here the last weeks.
Users being disrespectfull,demanding etc. And why?
People are working hard on the things they like to do most: hacking, porting, developing. But the reactions some get...
We have rules here at XDA,but some things are also just common sense.
Please show that you know how to behave and it will be more fun again for all of us.
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Completely aggree.
The main problem (just my point of view) is that those "noobs" ignore any compents (if I think on hephappy's thread) and think they know everything.
And because they don't work on there own project, they don't know how much work (all in the free time of the devs) has to be done.
Don't worry
Don't worry!
My roms are available via Rom Manager.
Rom manager -> Download rom -> hephappy -> Select rom
No more xda = no more noobs...
Rom manager note:
ROM hosting is free. ROMs hosted via ROM Manager Developer Portal will be listed
in the free section 5 days of the week. The other 2 days of the week, it will be
listed in the premium section. The days may vary from developer to developer
so not all developers are in the premium section at the same time.
Woohoo okkayyy
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Don't worry!
My roms are available via Rom Manager.
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Thanks Hep...
I do not have ROM Manager on my phone till now, but will use it - only to be connected to your ROM updates !
don't know about others but I appreciate your hard work and will continue to do so no matter what
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I have been a regular user for a long time here and I don't like what I see and read here the last weeks.
Users being disrespectfull,demanding etc. And why?
People are working hard on the things they like to do most: hacking, porting, developing. But the reactions some get...
We have rules here at XDA,but some things are also just common sense.
Please show that you know how to behave and it will be more fun again for all of us.
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Well you are complety right im a xda user for almost 2 years and this setion was fun thanks to devs. and users but in the last 2 months appears so many new people ho now everything altouhg im not a dev and only start about 2 days learning how to modify well you guys have all credit from yesterday i build JB just for learning propuses and that gave me an ideai of what you guys do for free but noobs keep sayng others phones why ours dont lol just lol what i think is more worst is that they dont read first before postimg stupid stuff android its not made only for p500 and android versions evolve like the new phones evolve if we want new stuff we need other phone we cant push more for this awseome device that was my first android device and thanks to this comunity open source now i have 3 diferent devices of course we cant buy what we want whenever we want but noobs have to learn how to trust devs. if they say this is impossible to rum thats because its RESPECT TO M.A.C. TEAM AND ALL OTHERS THAT ONLY GEEKS THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING I LEARN AND AM LEARNING ABOUT ANDROID IN A GENERAL WAY.
.spcealy arjen ho already give me tipes and with them i put CM9 working in my tablet thanks a lot.
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You are all free to go but your attitude is kind of disgusting. Noobs you say? I bet you are noob also if I speak of something you don't know. Learn to respect everyone before pretending to be respected... And by the way, I can say that EVERYONE showed A LOT of gratitude for the hard work of you developers and LOVE you.
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You are all free to go but your attitude is kind of disgusting. Noobs you say? I bet you are noob also if I speak of something you don't know. Learn to respect everyone before pretending to be respected... And by the way, I can say that EVERYONE showed A LOT of gratitude for the hard work of you developers and LOVE you.
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I kinda agree here, developers get all the respect, praise and following but they get bossy and abusive at times. Evrerybody likes to have good ROMs but not at the price of self respect I guess.
Everybody has a noob stage in life or maybe someone who you call noob at XDA might be a scholar in his field so XDA is not the end of the world. The best way to treat somebody who you dont like is to 'ignore'.
If a dev has 500 fans and 50 of them are ignorant noobs, even then its not a bad deal.
MORAL: Everybody start giving respect, dont be short tempered, value devs work and try to ignore if thats the only option.
Cheers!
myawan said:
I kinda agree here, developers get all the respect, praise and following but they get bossy and abusive at times. Evrerybody likes to have good ROMs but not at the price of self respect I guess.
Everybody has a noob stage in life or maybe someone who you call noob at XDA might be a scholar in his field so XDA is not the end of the world. The best way to treat somebody who you dont like is to 'ignore'.
If a dev has 500 fans and 50 of them are ignorant noobs, even then its not a bad deal.
MORAL: Everybody start giving respect, dont be short tempered, value devs work and try to ignore if thats the only option.
Cheers!
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Everybody is a "noob" at one time.Lot of people think they are the boss and call others noobs, but that pretty much wont last long.I ain't a developer but love all the developing works in here.Its really obvious from the thank meters of great devs, how much respected they are in this community.
Not anybody is born really intelligent and talented.
Everybody learn something from others and improve it.That is how the system works.
Everybody has their own field which they are perfect at.In that field, the "bosses" in here could be noobs.
I think everybody should learn to respect others to gain respect.
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Lots of ego stuff, from both sides
Me too,going to get sgs2.
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100% Noob for Reason and Courtesy
I have been a professional developer but for internals and ROMs, I am 100% "Noob." Most of what I see on this little thread is much less than helpful. Enough already.
Anyone who read my posts would see that my tone does not fit the stereotype be harangued here. I do not use the F word, the S word, make ridiculous claims and demands of more experienced (fantastic!) "Devs." Any suggestions I make are with respect and humility. Maybe the ideas will pan out, maybe not.
If I do not have CM10 on this old phone, I am delighted with ICS. (Indeed, Google Now will soon enough work here without JB, a matter of time and ingenuity.) I do hope JB (or as I have termed in more realistically "Jelly-Sandwich") will work on the phone, but there are other things in life. I did not enter XDA for all the negativity and tension. Friendship and respect are more important the ROMs and tweaks.
I dont read p500 so munch like old time, im have buy new device and i busy with that, but this problem has rolling day by day, even before arjen and adam start developing here, it has make alot of casualties like andy, doctornotor, etc..
What you expect from from developer?
Their ideas, their works, their time, so i think they must have bigger egos than me, im just a Leacher... Just download and give feedbacks if you like their works, or leave it like that if you hate he/his works. No need flaming, another person have their glasses and viewpoint.
Xda is made for us. we here for our needs, even every devices will death development, we just try make as long as we can, and flaming is not the way to make our beloved p500 ageless like htc hero...
Thx for all developers That i known for 1.5years till now day in this section... GBU.
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Arjen, I shall call franco here
He was the most obsessed by noob questions
You believe that a kernel dev recieved PMs regarding how to flash kernels. Lol
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Arjen, can I request you to close this thread? I could understand your good intentions behind starting this thread but this is going totally in a different direction. I hope all of you agree with me that tit for tat attitude is not good for anybody. Its high time that we stop all this and come to normal mode, cooperate and make this community a great place to do better things.