SO, I have a Samsung Focus and I have a HTC Titan (both AT&T Branded). I also have a AT&T 3g Microcell.
BTW, Has anyone seen an AT&T Titan show 3G at all or anything other than 4G?
Anyways... Here is where the AT&T Titan lies about 4G service.... the 3G Microcell only support a maximum of UMTS. It does not support HSDPA, HSUPA, HSPA, HSPA+, or LTE. Only HSPA+ & LTE are official 4G technologies as classified by the ITU.
On my girlfriends and my phone (when attached to the microcell) it shows 4G (we both have Titans). And Yes, I am positive we are on the microcell since both our phones list AT&T Microcell as the carrier.
I think AT&T is starting to pull one over on people with the Titan. Wish I had a Focus S to verify what it says too....
It has been reported that ATT is branding some H devices as 4G, not even H+... but the Titan is indeed H+. I haven't been very far with my Titan yet, so I wouldn't know if it ever shows 3G.
I may be a bit confused with the network types; to my understanding there is
GSM
Edge
3G
H
H+ (aka '4G')
4G LTE
My HTC Titan has shown E for the Edge network as it has also displayed 4G for HSPA + as well.
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It has been reported that ATT is branding some H devices as 4G, not even H+... but the Titan is indeed H+. I haven't been very far with my Titan yet, so I wouldn't know if it ever shows 3G.
I may be a bit confused with the network types; to my understanding there is
GSM
Edge
3G
H
H+ (aka '4G')
4G LTE
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I know the Titan does have the HSPA+ capability, that was not my gripe. My grip is that AT&T is listing a true 3G network as 4G which is a bold faced lie altogether and causes us to question if we truely are on 4G or not. Not the fact the device support it or not.
SO, all these throttling threads and stuff about 4G can not use the Titan as a testing source as the tester can not trust if they truely are on 4G or not. Thus skewing true testing results and perceived capabilities.
I live in Las Vegas and AT&T has had HSPA+ for a while and recently LTE. The issue I have, is I can't tell which network I am on wether it be 3G, HSPA+ or LTE since the Titan always will show 4G for all of them.
As added info for you about network types, your 3G disgnation is the same as the network types that I listed. 3G Network types include (In order of evolution):
UMTS - True Desgination for 3G
HSDPA - 3.x
HSUPA - 3.x
HSPA - 3.x
The 3.x is where I am not sure about the history of their release but I know one of them was refered to 3.5g before the true 4g designation came out for HSPA+ & LTE.
I don't think the titan has lte support, so you're definitely not on that.
The best way to go about this I guess is finding the diagnostic menu: where you dial some number and it gives you hidden info and options.
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AT&T GoPhone Service here with X310e from Europe, it stay on H all the time, displayed as "3G" sometime.
maybe the way they display the icon on the Europe Phone is different.
Anyone confirm as H is HSPDA+?
BTW, i don't download torrent on my phone either.
Its not exactly a lie. Yes, 4G is now the old 3G. When the other carriers started calling their service 4G, it made AT&Ts service look slower (when reality is that ATT 3G was the fastest).
4G was supposed to be LTE, but the marketing departments screwed that one by trying to one-up each other.
So, the answer is that where you saw 3G previously, you will now see 4G.
I have two microcells and they both show 4G on my Titan as well.
Blame the marketing departments (at all the carriers) for using the 4G moniker where it did not belong.
LTE will hopefully be LTE.
I've seen E, H & 4G on my at&t Titan
You see H? That's a good sign, at least; we can differentiate from E, H and H+. My town is fairly rural and is also a historical district, so I find it extremely suspect that there is 4G wherever I've gone, but I guess we've somehow become modern.
I have also never seen "H", only E and 4G, but I've only been in 3 small towns since I've had my Titan. My "4G" speeds are very 3G-like too... (between 1-2Mbps down and .75Mbps up)
Is there any way to see more detailed radio information in the OS? I dont really trust the indicator at the top of the screen.
As someone quoted the ITU designations. In their final decission it was declared that only technologies being theoretically able to reach speeds of up to 100 Mbps are actually 4G.
This means that WiMax, LTE and HSPA+ don't qualify as 4G. Currently LTE Advanced and WiMax 2 would be the only ones.
The idea of calling HSPA+ 4G as far as I know originates from T-Mobile USA as they are not about to deploy LTE/Wimax anytime soon.
That's even beyond the point. Didn't ATT say HSPA+ users should see actual speeds of around 6Mbps? Many aren't even getting the upper range of "3G" speeds.
I just got off the phone with ATT CS and he did tell me I am NOT in a 4G area, even though my phone is saying so. He told me the nearest 4G area was about 20 minutes south, which is exactly what their data map shows. From that I take that ATT is just calling their 3G network 4G, at least on this phone.
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As someone quoted the ITU designations. In their final decission it was declared that only technologies being theoretically able to reach speeds of up to 100 Mbps are actually 4G.
This means that WiMax, LTE and HSPA+ don't qualify as 4G. Currently LTE Advanced and WiMax 2 would be the only ones.
The idea of calling HSPA+ 4G as far as I know originates from T-Mobile USA as they are not about to deploy LTE/Wimax anytime soon.
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That is false, the ITU adjusted this decision and enveloped HSPA+, Wimax and LTE into the 4G fold.
"As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as '4G,' although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed,"
http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
In relation to this post, I have used my Interop Unlocked Focus all around this area and home. On my Focus I enabled the ability for it to show 3G+ areas and I was able to map out areas that were E, G, 3G and 3G+
However, when I trek those same areas with my Titan, I see a somewhat magical "4G" over all 3G and 3G+ areas.
Whether these areas were all H+ capable the whole time is unsure, but somehow I tend to doubt it.
As of yet, I have never seen 3G but I have seen E and G on my Titan.
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I don't think the titan has lte support, so you're definitely not on that.
The best way to go about this I guess is finding the diagnostic menu: where you dial some number and it gives you hidden info and options.
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I just tried that on my Titan by dialing ##3282#, and all the diagnostics are for 3G, HSDPA, no item for HSPDA+, still on screen my phone shows 4G.
arg... is there any way to infiltrate ATT's customer support and actually talk to an engineer, no tricks or PR crap?
I just thought that I'd chime in and say that my HTC Titan shows "3G" when I am at my place of work in Franklin Lakes, NJ.... so it must say 3G for some networks at least.
Do you have an unlocked international phone or an ATT phone?
Is there a Registry Editor for the Titan yet? If so, I wonder if you can change the 4G to what you want it to be like you can on the Samsung Focus? On the Focus, you have the option to change each individual network to show whatever you want it to show.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Connectivity \CellularUx\DataConnectionIcon
6G Speeds on Samsung Focus
Using ATT's methods, I've modified my Samsung Focus to receive 6G Speeds. Yes, this is the SAME method ATT uses to get 4G speeds...
They just edit the Registry like I did.
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I have upgraded my vibrant plan to 4g and I was wondering if anyone can make a zip for the 4g signal that will match the frobuntu donate theme I asked the developer for frobuntu if he could he hasn't yet so post it on that page if possible I hope he doesn't mind
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It has been posted: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...48#post9576448
The link is down..
Sorry Here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=846285&page=4
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http://www.multiupload.com/1TXL90R4T2
Vibrant 4g plan?
4g plan?
Vibrant + sXe V3.1 + OCLF
The Web plans were renamed they are still the same at T-Mobile you will only recieve full 4g speeds in 4g areas and on 4g phones.
How do you get a 4g plan on a 3g phone? I did notice in the Flashable Stock JK6 rom sombionix posted has both 3g and 4g icons. I thought you had to have a 4g phone to get 4g service.
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How do you get a 4g plan on a 3g phone? I did notice in the Flashable Stock JK6 rom sombionix posted has both 3g and 4g icons. I thought you had to have a 4g phone to get 4g service.
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I'm thinking the samething. 4g would be based on hardware radio and 4g connection.
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You could change the icon to say 10g and you would still never get 4g speeds. Vibrant doesn't support that speed.
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Vibrant hardware only supports up to 7mb/s
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Technicly Speaking Vibrant does support so Called "4G" speed, since its not 4g on Tmobile, 4G its either Wimax (sprint has it) or LTE , T-Mobile has only HSPA+ , so whats HSPA+ its the Same HSDPA network which is Considered to be 3.5G, and since its HSDPA I got speed on Vibrant in Alabama 4.7MBit Per second on speed test, 3G Doesnt support that speed because 3G is UMTS its max 3.6MBit per second, New HTC G2 and HTC Evo 4g or whatever tmobile has at the moment calling "4G" phone doesnt Support LTE or WiMax, it supports HSDPA with 14.4MBit per second speeds, Vibrant works on same Frequency and same HSDPA with 7.2Mbit per second which is Twice less. So Basicly if lets say you live in city where VIbrant can get 3MBit per second , you 4G phone will get 3Mbit as well, but if you live in city where you can get 7Mbits per second on your G2 or 4G phone you will get same speed on Vibrant too. Just icon will not be changed. The trick Tmobile using to let you think you are on 4G instead of 3.5G is by Setting HSDPA network icon as H or 4G instead of regular icon 3G , when phone goes to UMTS it shows 3G, when it goes to GSM it gets to E and so on . So its just Icon nothing more, stop worrying about Icons , what really matters that Tmobile doesnt offer speeds of more than 5Mbit anywhere yet. Maybe maximum 6Mbits if you live close enough to HSDPA Tower. (like 10 feet away). And this speed Vibrant will hold on ease. So Main Point and Bottom Line is ANY Phone that supports HSDPA Network with up to 7.2Mbit per second will be receiving Maximum Tmobile Speed which is avarage 3-5Mbit per second depends on your location and dont mind if it says 3G and not 4G speed on your phone will be Exacly the same since its Same Network HSDPA. Hope it clears everything since its Just Marketing Trick nothing else.
Oh forgot to mention if you have 2 phones in your hand both Vibrant (or any other 3.5g phone) and 4G phone from tmobile , both on same tmobile, sometimes difference can be in speed because it also depends on Antena strenght on your phone, some phones have better antena thats why they get more singnal but difference is not big at all. And if you ll stand next to HSPA+ (HSDPA) Tower with both Phones in your hands , Speed will be IDENTICAL. But on NEW phone it will show 4G even if its on same 3.5G (HSDPA or so Called HSPA+ how tmobile likes to call it) So 4G phone is basicly has overclocked Icon and Vibrant downclocked icon which Displays 3G , I think both phones would be correct if they will show H or 3.5G icon. But if they both will show H or 3.5G who will buy 4g phone ? and why the hell Tmobile then shows comercial of 4g ? Tmobile doesnt want you to know the truth, they want you to believe that by Buying 4G phone (which costs more) you will get better speed which is a big fat lie. Otherwise you will not fall for it and stick with your 7.2MBit/s HSDPA phone and it doesnt matter if its Vibrant or G1 or anyother phone. If you want to check which phones support 7.2MBit on HSDPA or 14.4 and see phones that have Wimax or upcoming LTE check gsmarena.com
these are all 3.5G Phone available for all carriers at the moment notice MyTouch 4G on tmobile in the list ) http://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sName=&idMaker=0&chkHSDPA2100=selected&idAvailability=0&YearAnnounced=0&nPriceLow=0&nPriceHigh=0&idCurrency=0&idFormFactor=0&idDualSIM=0&idQwerty=0&HeightMax=0&WidthMax=0&ThicknessMax=0&WeightMax=0&idOS=11&idDisplay=0&idDisplayRes=0&fDisplaySize=0&idDisplayTech=0&idTouchscreen=0&idAccelerometer=0&id35mm=0&idCamera=0&idCameraFlash=0&idVideoRecorder=0&idSecondaryCamera=0&idExpansionCard=0&idGPS=0&bWLAN=0&bEDGE=0&bGPRS=0&idBluetooth=0&bIR=0&bEmail=0&bWAP=0&bJava=0&idRadio=0&bMMS=0&idRingtones=0&sColor=&StandBy=0&TalkTime=0&sFreeText=
Abriviation of HSPA is High Speed Packet Access, Which has 2 types, HSDPA (High Speed "download" Packet Access) and HSUPA (Upload speed)
Niether WiMax nor LTE are 4G, apparently.
They're just faster than what has gone before, but still slower than HSPA+, if memory serves.
Regardless of all that, 'upgrading' your plan to "4G" is stupid with a Vibrant, b/c it doesn't support anything resembling said *G.
-bZj
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Oh forgot to mention if you have 2 phones in your hand both Vibrant (or any other 3.5g phone) and 4G phone from tmobile , both on same tmobile, sometimes difference can be in speed because it also depends on Antena strenght on your phone, some phones have better antena thats why they get more singnal but difference is not big at all. And if you ll stand next to HSPA+ (HSDPA) Tower with both Phones in your hands , Speed will be IDENTICAL. But on NEW phone it will show 4G even if its on same 3.5G (HSDPA or so Called HSPA+ how tmobile likes to call it) So 4G phone is basicly has overclocked Icon and Vibrant downclocked icon which Displays 3G , I think both phones would be correct if they will show H or 3.5G icon. But if they both will show H or 3.5G who will buy 4g phone ? and why the hell Tmobile then shows comercial of 4g ? Tmobile doesnt want you to know the truth, they want you to believe that by Buying 4G phone (which costs more) you will get better speed which is a big fat lie. Otherwise you will not fall for it and stick with your 7.2MBit/s HSDPA phone and it doesnt matter if its Vibrant or G1 or anyother phone. If you want to check which phones support 7.2MBit on HSDPA or 14.4 and see phones that have Wimax or upcoming LTE check gsmarena.com
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the mytouch 4g gets better speeds. Side by side with my friend's mt4g i get 1.5mb max he gets 2.7mb max.
Ok WiMax is slightly Faster than HSDPA for sure (dont mind spint since they USE 3g not WIMAX Network) LTE Can hold Speeds up to 60MBit per second in most countries Minimum speed is 20MBit per second, WiMax can hold up to 20Mbit as well in Most european countries it gets 9-10Mbit Per second. And 3MBit in bad locations. So Officially... 4G its LTE 2 or Wimax 2 which are next generations of Wimax and LTE. But here how it goes, GSM first Geneneration is GPRS, then second Generation is EDGE , then goes UMTS network for phones with Sim Cards, And EDVO-A (same 3g) for CDMA phones. Now Next generation which is 3.5G Its HSPA (HSPA+ its not a special network its still HSPA ) So with Maximum Download Speeds HSDPA 14.4Mbit per second, and upload HSUPA 5.72MBit. Now lets get to 4G , or I preffer to call it PRE-4G But after 3.5G. Main Candidate is LTE! Since I never saw Speed on LTE Network anywhere in europe Less than 14Mbit per second and Maximum speed I saw was 68mbit per second or so with some Europe Mobile Provider. Now lets go to WIMAX. Its not even Mobile network such as GSM or UMTS or HSPA or LTE. Its more of Next generation of WIFI. It works and acts as wifi more than Mobile network but with Big difference. Wifi N Routers for example can work up to 300feet range maybe even little more. While Wimax can work up to like 30-50mile RANGE! So basicly Internet Providers just Use those Special Routers with Huge Antena so you will get signal in your city And trasmit very big download and upload speeds. So thats Wimax. its like Extended range WiFi nothing else. So basicly if Sprint even has WiMax they are acting more like Att or Verizon DSL with speeds up to 3mbit per second plan and just trasmit it over WiMax to you if you are in range ofcourse. If not you will use just EDVO-A (3g)
So Basicly 2g is GSM or CDMA, 3g is UMTS or EDVO-A, 3.5G is HSPA, Pre4G or 4G Candidate is LTE at the moment. And real 4G will be LTE2. Wimax is just Next generation of WiFi.
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the mytouch 4g gets better speeds. Side by side with my friend's mt4g i get 1.5mb max he gets 2.7mb max.
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Well try to run tests like 10 times , and calculate avarage speed. I had problem with my Vibrant that I got 2.8Mbit one time on 1 spot. Its called Latency (lag) then I reran speedtest and it showed 4.5mbit per second. So does it Mean my "3g" phone faster than his 4g ? No since his phone capable of holding 14.4mbit per second on HSDPA while my only 7.2Mbit, But it could mean one of two things, 1 your phone is deffective antena or software for antena or HTC has better Antena and or better Firmware which makes antenna signal is better. Tmobile just doesnt provide good speed in your area. And when you ll run same test on same spot (do not hold sides of your since it can lose signal Antena is on the side of the phone you are blocking it) The proper way to test you and your friends phone is. Put both phones on table make sure distance will be at least few feet from each other so they will not block frequencies of each other. And press SPEEDTEST app same time. And run test about 5-10 times, if your phone will still show slower speed, try to change places put your phone on his place and his on yours. And if still you will get slower speed I suggest you go replace phone since you got it with deffective antena or firmware. But I bet his phone works with Froyo and Vibrant doesnt even have official froyo yet that may fix antena signal. I think vibrant has same problem as Iphone 4 had. But iphone 4 fixed it with 4.1 Firmware which updated baseband and Vibrant didnt have any fix. Anyway I got 4.7Mbit per second driving my car on Highway in Alabama using Stock Android 2.1 JK6. I didnt test speeds in that place anymore sitting on Axura 2.0.6 but in Miami, FL I get mostly 2.5-3.6mbit per second. But im sure if you ll go with your friend to T-Mobile HSPA tower (if you know the location) and put your phones to test you will get same speed. Tmobile doesnt offer bigger speeds than 6mbit Im sure of it. So the phones are equal at the moment.
If you don't like the option for the 4g keep it to yourself but for you idiots I have 4g coverage on my vibrant I upgraded it a few weeks ago and it shows up on my bill as unlimited 4g web so call t-mobile and ask them to upgrade your plan, making statements that you fail to research is ignorant and you just look stupid
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- You've seen the 4G advertisements from T-Mobile, Sprint and Verizon, bragging about a much-better wireless network with blazing fast speeds.
Here's the secret the carriers don't advertise: 4G is a myth. Like the unicorn, it hasn't been spotted anywhere in the wild just yet -- and won't be any time in the near future.
The International Telecommunication Union, the global wireless standards-setting organization, determined last month that 4G is defined as a network capable of download speeds of 100 megabits per second (Mbps). That's fast enough to download an average high-definition movie in about three minutes.
None of the new networks the carriers are rolling out meet that standard.
Sprint (S, Fortune 500) was the first to launch a network called 4G, going live with it earlier this year. Then, T-Mobile launched its 4G network, claiming to be "America's largest 4G network." Verizon (VZ, Fortune 500) plans to launch its 4G network by the end of the year, which it claims will be the nation's largest and the fastest. AT&T (T, Fortune 500) is expected to unveil its 4G network next year.
Those networks have theoretical speeds of a fifth to a half that of the official 4G standard. The actual speeds the carriers say they'll achieve are just a tenth of "real" 4G.
So why are the carriers calling these networks 4G?
It's mostly a matter of PR, industry experts say. Explaining what the wireless carriers' new networks should be called, and what they'll be capable of, is a confusing mess.
To illustrate: Sprint bought a majority stake in Clearwire (CLWR), which uses a new network technology called WiMAX that's capable of speeds ranging from 3 Mbps to 10 Mbps. That's a different technology from Verizon's new network, based on a standard called Long Term Evolution (LTE), which will average 5 Mbps to 12 Mbps.
Seeing what its competitors were up to, T-Mobile opted to increase the speed capabilities of its existing 3G-HSPA+ network instead of pursuing a new technology. Its expanded network -- now called 4G -- will reach speeds of 5 Mbps to 12 Mbps.
No matter what they're called, all of these upgrades are clear improvements -- and the carriers shelled out billions to make them. Current "3G" networks offer actual speeds that range from between 500 kilobits per second to 1.5 Mbps.
So Sprint and Verizon have new, faster networks that are still technically not 4G, while T-Mobile has an old, though still faster network that is actually based on 3G technology.
Confused yet? That's why they all just opted to call themselves "4G."
The carriers get defensive about the topic.
"It's very misleading to make a decision about what's 4G based on speed alone," said Stephanie Vinge-Walsh, spokeswoman for Sprint Nextel. "It is a challenge we face in an extremely competitive industry."
T-Mobile did not respond to a request for comment.
One network representative, who asked not to be identified, claimed that ITU's 4G line-in-the-sand is being misconstrued. The organization previously approved the use of the term "4G" for Sprint's WiMAX and Verizon's LTE networks, he said -- though not for T-Mobile's HSPA+ network.
ITU's PR department ignored that approval in its recent statement about how future wireless technologies would be measured, the representative said. ITU representatives were not immediately available for comment.
"I'm not getting into a technical debate," said Jeffrey Nelson, spokesman for Verizon Wireless. "Consumers will quickly realize that there's really a difference between the capabilities of various wireless data networks. All '4G' is not the same."
And that's what's so difficult. The term 4G has become meaningless and confusing as hell for wireless customers.
For instance, T-Mobile's 4G network, which is technically 3G, will have speeds that are at least equal to -- and possibly faster -- than Verizon's 4G-LTE network at launch. At the same time, AT&T's 3G network, which is also being scaled up like T-Mobile's, is not being labeled "4G."
That's why some industry experts predict that the term "4G" will soon vanish.
"The labeling of wireless broadband based on technical jargon is likely to fade away in 2011," said Dan Hays, partner at industry consultancy PRTM. "That will be good news for the consumer. Comparing carriers based on their network coverage and speed will give them more facts to make more informed decisions."
Hays expects that independent researchers -- or the Federal Communications Commission -- will step in next year to perform speed and coverage tests.
Meanwhile, don't expect anyone to hold the carriers' feet to the fire.
"Historically, ITU's classification system has not held a great degree of water and has not been used to enforce branding," Hays said. "Everyone started off declaring themselves to be 4G long before the official decision on labeling was made. The ITU was three to four years too late to make an meaningful impact on the industry's use of the term."
I got 4g speed on mine after my upgrade and my signal went from 3g to now says H.
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I'm pretty confused. I'm wondering what's the difference between hspa+ and LTE? I know verizon currently has LTE and At&t has hspa+ but what is the difference between the 4g speeds , I mean 4g is supposed to be (100 mbps ) right? Also why does At&t call their 4g phones , "4g" when they are going to LTE for 4g speeds so doesn't that mean hspa+ phones are a ripoff, and you wasted you're money on a 4g paperweight?
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I'm pretty confused. I'm wondering what's the difference between hspa+ and LTE? I know verizon currently has LTE and At&t has hspa+ but what is the difference between the 4g speeds , I mean 4g is supposed to be (100 mbps ) right? Also why does At&t call their 4g phones , "4g" when they are going to LTE for 4g speeds so doesn't that mean hspa+ phones are a ripoff, and you wasted you're money on a 4g paperweight?
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hspa+ is fake 4g (though so is the current LTE, but hspa+ is just 3g hspa on steroids, not a new standard). On my HTC Thunderbolt with Verizon, I get anywhere from 16Mbps to 30Mbps, depending on where I am for LTE.
If you want to know more about LTE, I would suggest doing a search around one of the Verizon phone forums with LTE, such as the Thunderbolt, Charge or Bionic.
LTV vs HSPA+
I guess it depends on the flavor of each you are referring to, the backhaul the given provider attaches to their network, and the amount of spectrum they have. Comparing a given HSPA+ site to a LTE site and assuming same backhaul and same amount of spectrum, I think LTE pushes more bytes more quickly than the HSPA+ [21Mbps/14/7] that AT&T has deployed. However, T-Mobile is deploying a flavor of HSPA+ that is 42Mbps. Real world speeds of that network have been up around 30Mbps with the Rocket 3.0 which puts it on par with some of Verizon's LTE real world peak speeds. I don't know if AT&T has stated if they will go to that version of HSPA+ or not, and even if they do I am not sure they have enough spectrum to do that (without buying T-Mobile's). I would say LTE is better, and once AT&T, Verizon and Sprint roll out LTE Advanced with and VoLTE, that will be the best. As far as 4G, that organization that decides what is 4G (which by the way has changed it's mind at least once) says they want 100Mbps mobile and 1Gb fixed as the speed standard for 4G speeds. Of the HSPA+ phones I have played with in stores or owned by friends, I have not gotten one to break 11Mbps yet, and they generally seem to sit around 5.
hello all,
I was wondering whether it is possible to unlock the LTE radio on the Eu retail version. I think the chipset is the same and hence it does have the capability.
Thanks in advance,
Santanu Dey
Are you saying that your razr never gets 4G / HSDPA signal?
Don't you ever get the little 'H' on your connection indicator?
CheesySeb said:
Are you saying that your razr never gets 4G / HSDPA signal?
Don't you ever get the little 'H' on your connection indicator?
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Not even LTE is 4G. It is called such for pure marketing speculation since LTE is still part of UMTS... it is its 8th revision, actually.
Cheesy, you should first ask your provider if they reach ~325Mbps. Vodafone, the european carrier with the best network, sells 48Mbps (HSPA++) as LTE, which isn't really.
LTE isn't yet fully ratified, actually.
Anyway, it works
For general information:
LTE is Long Term Evolution.
HSPA or High speed packet access and its derivatives are not LTE...
The modulation scheme is different as well as the coding and spectrum and Bandwidth. LTE works in 2 variations TDD and FDD, whereas HSPA/UMTS is purely FDD. Secondly, LTE works in 1.4Mhz, 5 MHz, 10Mhz , 20Mhz Bandwidth whereas HSPA/UMTS is only 5 Mhz.
Basically HSPA is a evolution of data access on UMTS network, as EDGE was in GSM network.
So , returning back to the same question..... Can we unlock LTE radio on the Razr? My operator Telia is already having commercial LTE network (300/100 Mbps DL)..
Beg my pardon I was not aware ( haven't done quite as much research as you guys it would seem ;D )
Can I just ask briefly, is LTE a cdma standard as opposed to gsm or is it something viable on both platforms?
LTE is basically a convergent network between the CDMA and the GSM domains. The radio standard has been designed in such a way that it shares the backward compatibility towards CDMA and GSM domains..."BUT".. LTE is much more bent toward the GSM/WCDMA domain than CDMA/EVDO domains,since it shares the same spectral characteristics of the UMTS networks.
WIMAX on the other hand is more bent towards CDMA/EVDO domains...
How do you enable hspa+ on an atrix 4g? I can never seem to get the "H+" or "4g" icon, only H (i've checked inside the phone settings and it is definitely just hspa, not hspa+, or hspa: category 10 or otherwise)
I bought my atrix 4g off craigslist and used it on ATT straight talk for a month and had horrible speeds and never had hspa+ (only hspa) so I had the phone carrier unlocked and took it to tmobile monthly 4g but still I am only getting hspa (not hspa+).
Basically, is this phone capable of getting "pseduo-4g" hspa+ or is it locked to hspa? I've seen several mentions of ATT shipping the phone with hspa+ disabled, but no way of knowing how to enable it.
Other info: I am currently using neutrino ROM.
Thanks!
You will only get edge on t mobile with any att phone.............
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Well, its now an unlocked phone and I know I get more than edge because I have hspa right now.
tgeo said:
Well, its now an unlocked phone and I know I get more than edge because I have hspa right now.
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I already gave you the answer... If you believe you can get 3g with an atrix 2 on t mobile, you must be a hero.
The bands are not compatible. A quick google search will plainly show you that.
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fireforhire said:
I already gave you the answer... If you believe you can get 3g with an atrix 2 on t mobile, you must be a hero.
The bands are not compatible. A quick google search will plainly show you that.
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Except that Tmobile is refarming their 1900mhz pcs from 2g to 3g... so yeah you can. Las Vegas and Kansas City are already official... so what?
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Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, the Atrix 4G does 14.4mbps hspa, isn't the 21mbps the actual hspa+?
I know it may not be possible but, Hes talking about an ATRIX 4g. Not ATRIX 2. READ MUCH???
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The Atrix 4G and the Atrix 2 both support T-Mobile's "4G" network which is simply HSPA+ but the best you'll do with the Atrix 4G is 14.4 Mbps (good luck getting that actual speed). The Atrix 2 can hit the 21.1Mbps but not the 42Mbps speeds, and again, good luck with that.
The Atrix 4G is fully capable of being used with T-Mobile now that they are refarming/rolling out their 3G and "4G" 1900 MHz band, people in some areas still haven't gotten the upgrade yet but in many places in the US you can get 3G speeds and even the "4G" HSPA+ with that device on T-Mobile without issues. Here in Vegas when they turned that on a few weeks back (the day the iPhone 5 was released) I had an Atrix 4G and got T-Mobile 3G/HSPA+ service that afternoon with speeds in excess of 6Mbps because I live across the street from a cell site for them, average is about 3-5Mbps most of the time.
The Atrix 4G will most commonly show HSPA:10 when used with T-Mobile, in my experience (that's on ICS or JB ROMs, GB won't show that level of detail/info).
As for the HSPA or HSPA+, they all basically work the same way. 14.4Mbps is considered under the HSPA+ "umbrella" as the saying might go.
br0adband said:
The Atrix 4G and the Atrix 2 both support T-Mobile's "4G" network which is simply HSPA+ but the best you'll do with the Atrix 4G is 14.4 Mbps (good luck getting that actual speed). The Atrix 2 can hit the 21.1Mbps but not the 42Mbps speeds, and again, good luck with that.
The Atrix 4G is fully capable of being used with T-Mobile now that they are refarming/rolling out their 3G and "4G" 1900 MHz band, people in some areas still haven't gotten the upgrade yet but in many places in the US you can get 3G speeds and even the "4G" HSPA+ with that device on T-Mobile without issues. Here in Vegas when they turned that on a few weeks back (the day the iPhone 5 was released) I had an Atrix 4G and got T-Mobile 3G/HSPA+ service that afternoon with speeds in excess of 6Mbps because I live across the street from a cell site for them, average is about 3-5Mbps most of the time.
The Atrix 4G will most commonly show HSPA:10 when used with T-Mobile, in my experience (that's on ICS or JB ROMs, GB won't show that level of detail/info).
As for the HSPA or HSPA+, they all basically work the same way. 14.4Mbps is considered under the HSPA+ "umbrella" as the saying might go.
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I didn't know tmob where deploying a hspa frequency that at&T use. Thanks for that tip.
10Mbps achieved on Atrix on at&T 3g network here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1905464
hspa category 10 is 'characterized' as hspa+ but is not hspa+ (evolved hspa) and should not display h+ or 4g on the status bar for that reason. The 4g branding is exactly that... "branding" and at&T should have never used 4g in the name in my opinion. They always said "4g like speeds"
See post #4 at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1912716 where there are also a couple links I posted that I found interesting on this subject.
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Hmm, interesting info guys. I do indeed live in Vegas and have been using a GB ROM (maybe I'm not seeing hspa: category 10 because of this).
Sounds like I've done all I can then, thanks!
tgeo said:
Hmm, interesting info guys. I do indeed live in Vegas and have been using a GB ROM (maybe I'm not seeing hspa: category 10 because of this).
Sounds like I've done all I can then, thanks!
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Only ics and jb display the additional radio info.
The key is that you are on a radio that is suited to your rom and provider. 36p and 37p are the two most popular at&t radios, 37p being the official production release and used on many releases. Both 36p and 37p operate at hspa 10. Each provider is at differing phases, as well as having differing standards in their network, for how they implement the any bells and whistles of cellular. There is so much to it.
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Terrible speeds with H+ Icon. Hspa marked as H+.
I am only getting Edge, Umts and HsPa.. My phone marks hspa as H+. I check on status and Umts and Hspa is marked as H+.. My speeds are terrible, only getting 1.8 mbps.
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I am only getting Edge, Umts and HsPa.. My phone marks hspa as H+. I check on status and Umts and Hspa is marked as H+.. My speeds are terrible, only getting 1.8 mbps.
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Might get the app on Google Play called Antennas, it'll show you the cell sites/towers you're connected to on maps; if you're connected at a given mode (like HSPA or UMTS) but you're pretty far from the site/tower, that could be the primary reason you get the "terrible" speeds. Antennas does work best, however, by putting the phone in 2G/EDGE mode but it is capable of doing 3G/4G/HSPA/UMTS/etc as well.
I live literally across the street from the main site/tower that I stay connected to so I pull 5-8Mbps when I'm in HSPA+ mode but, I keep my Photon in 2G/EDGE mode probably 99% of the time, I have Wi-Fi at home also so there's just no reason to use up any of my 5GB of bandwidth for the "4G" side of things.
T-Mobile 1900 mhz service on Atrix 4G in MD!!
So having played with a couple of 4Gś @ work (and how unawesome they made my G2x look!) I purchased a combo phone and lapdock. This before i realized they worked on different frequencies!!! DOH!
Fortunately, T-Mobś been ahead of me on the curve. I read that they started the long road to providing their service to the souls stranded out in Verizon &/or AT&T limbo...
So I swapped my sim and...Yaaaay! 4 of 5 bars of....wait for it... H+!!!:laugh:
Then, BOOOOO! No data! No MMS. No internet!:crying:
A few hours of online (and Iḿ ashamed to say, trial and error build prop editing) plus 3 calls to T-Mob yielded this in an email:
¨APN settings for data and picture messaging (MMS): Android" on T-mobileś support page (as a noob I cannot post the link):silly:
Iḿ now docked, working, spotifying and sharing ´ẃif my XDA fam!¨
Hope this helps!
hi,
with AT&T's m8, how does the data connection signal symbol look like?
i mean, for 3G, do you see an H? for lte, do you see LTE or 4G?
thanks
HSPA will show 4G.
LTE will show 4G LTE (same icon as the one above, just with a little "LTE" below it.
This is due to AT&T's idiotic branding/marketing of backhauled HSPA as "4G". I know the ITU later broadened the definition of 4G to include this. But I suspect this was only after pressure from US carriers.
Wonder what it will show when 5.0 is released. Read an article on the upgrades of LTE. Strange thing is there care literally thousands of 3g towers left in the US..That's why I like Europe's standards for mobile data
Itll show same icons with an added VoLTE icon when in the areas that support it id imagine.
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Wonder what it will show when 5.0 is released. Read an article on the upgrades of LTE. Strange thing is there care literally thousands of 3g towers left in the US..That's why I like Europe's standards for mobile data
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