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I picked up my Galaxy SII after seeing the disappointing specs on the iPhone 4S. But today I read preliminary benchmarks and it smokes the SII.
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How can a 800 mhz cpu beat the SII's 1.2 ghz processor?
I am confused. Am I missing something?
026TB4U said:
I picked up my Galaxy SII after seeing the disappointing specs on the iPhone 4S. But today I read preliminary benchmarks and it smokes the SII.
Sorry, unable to post a link yet.
How can a 800 mhz cpu beat the SII's 1.2 ghz processor?
I am confused. Am I missing something?
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Because benchmarks don't mean jack ****.
Look at how Quadrant scores are all over the damned place with no correspondence to actual usability.
its all about the software. I expect some good gains when moving over to ICS.
Edit, corrected iPhone processor family name.
Trying to benchmark across different operating systems and hardware is not easy to accomplish, but I can tell you that an (Apple A5) A9 800 mhz duel core Samsung processor is not faster than (Exynos) A9 1.2 ghz duel core Samsung processor.
Yes both phones processors are made by Samsung
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Entropy512 said:
Because benchmarks don't mean jack ****.
Look at how Quadrant scores are all over the damned place with no correspondence to actual usability.
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dayv said:
Trying to benchmark across different operating systems and hardware is not easy to accomplish, but I can tell you that an A5 800 mhz duel core Samsung processor is not faster than A9 1.2 ghz duel core Samsung processor.
Yes both phones processors are made by Samsung
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This is true but your wording is a bit confusing. An "Apple A5" processor is a dual core a9 processor with a powervr 543mp2 gpu. An A5 processor is an Arm core made for ultra low power. Basically both the apple a5 and the exynos processor have have the same processor architecture but there are many other factors that can influence performance like the GPU, memory, cache, decoders, ect. In this case i think the main discrepancy will be the software thats so different between the two.
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This is true but your wording is a bit confusing. An "Apple A5" processor is a dual core a9 processor with a powervr 543mp2 gpu. An A5 processor is an Arm core made for ultra low power. Basically both the apple a5 and the exynos processor have have the same processor architecture but there are many other factors that can influence performance like the GPU, memory, cache, decoders, ect. In this case i think the main discrepancy will be the software thats so different between the two.
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I did not doubt that both processors were of the same type and architecture, but I did not realize that apple A5 was just an apple brand and that both processors were A9. Both are still Samsung family processor one clocked at 800 mhz one clocked at 1.2 GHz
Thank you for the correction
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The iPhone is probably utilizing the processor to it's full extent, while Gingerbread (and Android in general) does a terrible job of utilizing the power of the hardware.
ICS should see a nice performance increase on dual cores.
OP is probably refering to the benchmark for gaming. It's not the processor that lacks on GS2. If iPhone 4S does come with the same A5 as iPad2, its GPU will smoke Mali400 in GS2 in almost every benchmark test (in most benchmarks, it is twice as fast as Mali400). Just checkout the review of Internationl GS2 by Anandtech.com with benchmark comparison of GS2 vs iPad2 and other smartphones. It is not the Quadrant or Linkpack benchmark but rather the professional benchmarks measuring fill rates and triangle thoughputs etc.
Processor performance wise, it is probably a wash because both are based on the same ARM design.
Although I do agree that benchmarks are just benchmarks, I am still surprised.
Is it true that Gingerbread only utilizes one cpu? And will Ice Cream Sandwich utilize both?
And BTW, I am by no means an Apple fanboy. I had been waiting for this phone to come out to replace my dinosaur BB 9000, so I wouldn't have to get an iPhone and deal with iTunes.
iOS5 > gingerbread. Sad but true.
Hope ICS comes out soon. It seems to be on par from what I hear.
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I think I saw the benchmark in question - it was a GPU-heavy benchmark for a workload that most users won't experience 99% of the time. (It was a GPU-bound OpenGL benchmark. The GPU of the iPhone 4S IS faster than ours for 3D work - but unless you do lots of 3D gaming, it's wasted. Also, 3D is kind of a waste on a 3.5" screen.)
Apple has an extremely long history of misleading the public with selective benchmarking. Back in the Pentium II or III days, they claimed one of their machines was twice as fast as an Intel machine clocked at least 50% higher. While I agree that MHz isn't everything, there's a limit to that. In that case, on a single Photoshop benchmark that was optimized for PowerPC by using AltiVec and running non-optimized on the Intel chip (despite an optimized MMX or SSE implementation being available), the Apple did better - and Apple used that to try and make users believe the machine was twice as fast for all workloads.
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Is it true that Gingerbread only utilizes one cpu? And will Ice Cream Sandwich utilize both?
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It is true.
I guess the benchmarking was for the javascript using safari browser. So it's apple vs oranges. Also completely 2 different OS. Let's run quadrant if it's available for iOS the see how it handles. In the mean time enjoy the best and fastest smartphone currently in the market no matter what other says.
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It could be ten times faster than a GII, but it still has a 3.5" screen, and I-jail. My wife and kids have Iphone 4's and there is no way I would trade no matter how fast this new one is.
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It could be ten times faster than a GII, but it still has a 3.5" screen, and I-jail. My wife and kids have Iphone 4's and there is no way I would trade no matter how fast this new one is.
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Except for the wife and kids part(I have neither) this. Very much this.
Just ran the SunSpider Javascript on CM7.1. Results seem to be quite a bit better than the ones I see posted on AnandTech. Obviously they were running the GS2 stock but I was surprised to see my numbers so low. Also did the GLBenchmark and while the Egypt was slower, the Pro was faster on CM7.1. Coin flip to me it seems...
Those are just plain synthetic benchmark, what does it mean for RL usage? not a damn thing.
You think all the fashionnista who's buying iphone 4s gonna care how fast their CPU are?
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its all about the software. I expect some good gains when moving over to ICS.
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That's the problem with android; it is always wait for the next version of software, it'll be better then. How about making a good version now?
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iOS5 > gingerbread. Sad but true.
Hope ICS comes out soon. It seems to be on par from what I hear.
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Are you high and drunk?? As far as I'm aware, iOS5 is just playing catch up to Android. There isn't one feature that they implemented that hasn't already been introduced in Android since the Froyo days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUEG7kQegSA&feature=share
I realize that this is the Vibrant forum, but it is the general section... so dont get too pissed about me posting a thread not really vibrant related.
So just thinking about processors (that may come come in the Nexus Prime), the two being rumored are Samsungs Exynos and the TI OMAP, from what i can tell.
How do these processors compare? In general the Exynos is generally regarded as better then the snapdragon (not trying to argue either way), but there are plenty of comparisons and topics on this comparison, but how does the Exynos compare to the OMAP? I can really find too many topics on it..
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Doesn't really matter how it compares right now, because Google can optimize ICS to run fast on Ti-OMAP 4460 while slow on other processors.
The same way when Froyo came out, the Snapdragon processors were able to gain a huge boost in CPU intensive tasks because they took full advantage of the Dalvik optimizations in Froyo. Hummingbird although newer than Snapdragon was not taking full advantage of Dalvik optimizations, thus it ran slower despite being a newer processor.
Nexus Prime running a Ti-Omap 4460 will be faster than any xynos because Google will make sure ICS is perfectly tuned to Ti-OMAP 4460.
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This is assuming nexus prime has a Ti-OMAP 4460.
SamsungVibrant said:
Doesn't really matter how it compares right now, because Google can optimize ICS to run fast on Ti-OMAP 4460 while slow on other processors.
The same way when Froyo came out, the Snapdragon processors were able to gain a huge boost in CPU intensive tasks because they took full advantage of the Dalvik optimizations in Froyo. Hummingbird although newer than Snapdragon was not taking full advantage of Dalvik optimizations, thus it ran slower despite being a newer processor.
Nexus Prime running a Ti-Omap 4460 will be faster than any xynos because Google will make sure ICS is perfectly tuned to Ti-OMAP 4460.
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thanks for the response. anyone else have any ideas on the two processors?
So, i watched the presentation last night, i did not see them announce the processor...
have any of the reviews confirmed which processor and GPU?
Its the omap 4460, TI made an announcement on it.Gpu wise its weaker than the exynos in the texture department as it has the sgx540. The biggest advantage it has over the NS or vibrant is the CPU and ram (hardware wise) benching the NS vs the Droid3 or Bionic shows the NS doing fairly close with the differences being probably due to the omap having a higher gpu clock and a processor that can feed the data to the gpu faster.
I can tell you that the chip has great performance, even at that higher resolution, I believe the blackberry playbook has it and that thing runs beautifully =D
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everything i'm reading about the omap is saying it's built for better HD performance, however clocking, number crunching and GPU it's weaker then the exynos found in the sgs II. actually there comparing the gpu to the one found in our Vibrant.
as dismal as this sounds, i'm still going for the Galaxy Nexus due to the stock interface and HD resolution...
or i can wait longer (god knows how much longer) and grab the sgs II HD thats currently only in Korea.
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qoutes from Extremetech website
"So now the OMAP4460 is getting quite a lot of scrutiny, even though it isn’t exactly a new chip. This dual-core SoC is clocked at 1.2GHz, and uses ARM Cortex-A9 architecture, just like the Exynos. That’s not a problem, but the older GPU, the PowerVR SGX540 is. We were hoping for a step up in the graphics department.
Why did Google choose the OMAP for its new Nexus? Well, it might not live up to the high graphical standards set out by the iPhone, but it is a solid chip in its own right. The OMAP4 platform makes use of an additional hardware accelerator called IVA 3 that makes encoding and decoding HD video a snap. The Galaxy Nexus has an HD screen, so this hardware focus on video is a big plus.
Google engineers were likely also drawn to the OMAP for its use of a dual-channel memory controller. Android’s multitasking system means that data is constantly being moved into, and out of, active memory. This is definitely a strength of TI’s OMAP parts"
hopefully that answers some of your questions.
Weak GPU, ****-tastic camera, no microSD slot, small battery, really high pricing (preliminary)...and once again plastic?
I don't get why Google felt they need to repeat the iPhone 4S announcement failure. The screen of the thing is amazing and its OS is. But the actual phone? Not so much.
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And I was so hyped about the "One phone to rule them all". . .
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Weak GPU, ****-tastic camera, no microSD slot, small battery, really high pricing (preliminary)...and once again plastic?
I don't get why Google felt they need to repeat the iPhone 4S announcement failure. The screen of the thing is amazing and its OS is. But the actual phone? Not so much.
:/
And I was so hyped about the "One phone to rule them all". . .
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The phone is still worth getting. It will always have the latest version of Android, and Android will run smoothly on it.
I'm never repeating my Vibrant mistake ever again. Running CM-7 with half ass GPS and no 911 calling, no thanks. Next time a Nexus only phone. Just wish it wasn't made by stupid Samsung, errrrr.
Or maybe Motorola phone now that Google owns them, higher chance of getting updates. Just my opinion though.
One last thing. I do agree about the lack of microsd. I was shocked when Nexus S didn't get it, and now again. Hmmmmm. You would think they would want a dev phone to have a microsd slot.
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Weak GPU, ****-tastic camera, no microSD slot, small battery, really high pricing (preliminary)...and once again plastic?
I don't get why Google felt they need to repeat the iPhone 4S announcement failure. The screen of the thing is amazing and its OS is. But the actual phone? Not so much.
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And I was so hyped about the "One phone to rule them all". . .
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Weak GPU? It is more than enough to drive a 720p screen at 60fps, as demonstrated consistently throughout the Galaxy Nexus hands-on videos.
How is the camera at all, as you so eloquently put it, '****-tastic'? From what I have seen (and trust me, it isn't nearly enough to make much of an impression to make a final call on its quality), the pictures look decent, with little chroma noise and balanced colours. The zero shutter-lag feature sounds most excellent as well, as most cellphone pictures turn out awful because of the nature of the beast (shaky hands and such). If your judgment is purely based on "Hurr because it's 5MP" then you are a moron.
Though I can lament the loss of a MicroSD card slot, most cards readily available to consumers (read: not newegg or amazon buyers) cannot even fathom being able to record 720p video, much less 1080p featured on the Galaxy Nexus. And using your smartphone as a primary MP3 player is only viable if you have no other use for the phone besides MP3 playing and occasional internet browsing, which would be just a flagrant waste of the ~$80 monthlies people pay for their plans.
And the 1,750mah battery is actually above-average (considering 1,450-1,500mah the standard), along with ICS' built-in 'app-freezing', carrier bloat will never be a cause for unnecessary battery drain again). The battery could last for days depending on your usage (Your mileage may ****ing vary, of course).
Really, high pricing? Really? If the previous two Nexus phones are any indication, it will cost $529 unlocked. Of course, it seems like a lot of money when you work retail or some other **** job, but then you shouldn't be playing with such expensive toys in the first place.
And plastic? Well this explains everything
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKxgsrJFhw
Your post gave me cancer.
Camera---Look at the Nexus S photos at Engadget and the Galaxy Nexus ones. They look IDENTICAL except for colors on the GN looking a bit worse actually. Last I remember, the Nexus S camera is on the level of the Vibrant...it's great for a 5MP but its nothing compared to the competition nowdays. Not backlit sensor, not f2.2 or lower, not even high resolution. No shutter lag? I use Camera360 on my Vibrant and have had that feature for MONTHS. As Engadget comments, the no shutter lag is because the camera on the Galaxy Nexus does not focus. It is just NO competition to a Galaxy S2 or Iphone 4S sadly.
GPU-It is a 1.6 or 1.7 times faster than the Vibrant. We already have a good GPU but...for crying out loud. It is half as slow as the Galaxy S2 one. And THAT itself is already getting old...been on the market for over 6 months. Shall we compare to the new iPhone 4S? Difference of 7 TIMES? I HATE iphones but Samsung and Google seriously didn't try here.
Battery. I am CURRENTLY running a Samsung-made OEM 1800mah in my Vibrant. Same size as our original 1500mah. Should I remind you the Vibrant runs on a 4.0 screen and is NOT HD resolution? For a device that is as big as the Galaxy Nexus (4.6 inches) and with that huge and beautiful screen, 1750 is just TINY. At LEAST a good 2000 or more should have been put in it. And its' not impossible to do at all. Samsung HAS the technology. The phone HAS the space. It's fatter than the Galaxy S2 (and godforbid the new Razor)...doesn't have a MicroSD slot. There is no excuse except laziness.
Pricing---Several retailers in Europe have already priced it. Cheapest one is ~700...typical one is 800 and some go all the way up to 950. Look up the gsmarena.com article if you wish. Off contract it will be an arm and a leg. On contract it will be $300. That makes it the MOST expensive phone both on and off contract. $530? Yeah...maybe at that price it would be something to consider but 800? For an amazing screen and software? Heh.
Like I said, the real star of that presentation was the software. Ice Cream sandwich is amazing. GPU Acceleration anyone?
The phone though it comes on? A letdown sadly. Trust me, I was going to buy it. Was waiting for it for 3 months now. No more. May either get a Galaxy S2 now or wait for a Galaxy S2 HD for the Nexus HD screen and the Galaxy S2 performance and features.
In the OMAP 4460, the SGX540 is clocked at 384 MHz which gives it a total output of ~6.2 GFLOPs. In comparison, the Mali-400 MP4 clocked at 200 MHz produces about ~7.2 GFLOPs, and ~10.8 GFLOPs at 300 MHz. So yeah, it's a step back from the Exynos but still very good.
Everything yea saying don't matter its all about optimization an camera looks great to me
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Camera---Look at the Nexus S photos at Engadget and the Galaxy Nexus ones. They look IDENTICAL except for colors on the GN looking a bit worse actually. Last I remember, the Nexus S camera is on the level of the Vibrant...it's great for a 5MP but its nothing compared to the competition nowdays. Not backlit sensor, not f2.2 or lower, not even high resolution. No shutter lag? I use Camera360 on my Vibrant and have had that feature for MONTHS. As Engadget comments, the no shutter lag is because the camera on the Galaxy Nexus does not focus. It is just NO competition to a Galaxy S2 or Iphone 4S sadly.
GPU-It is a 1.6 or 1.7 times faster than the Vibrant. We already have a good GPU but...for crying out loud. It is half as slow as the Galaxy S2 one. And THAT itself is already getting old...been on the market for over 6 months. Shall we compare to the new iPhone 4S? Difference of 7 TIMES? I HATE iphones but Samsung and Google seriously didn't try here.
Battery. I am CURRENTLY running a Samsung-made OEM 1800mah in my Vibrant. Same size as our original 1500mah. Should I remind you the Vibrant runs on a 4.0 screen and is NOT HD resolution? For a device that is as big as the Galaxy Nexus (4.6 inches) and with that huge and beautiful screen, 1750 is just TINY. At LEAST a good 2000 or more should have been put in it. And its' not impossible to do at all. Samsung HAS the technology. The phone HAS the space. It's fatter than the Galaxy S2 (and godforbid the new Razor)...doesn't have a MicroSD slot. There is no excuse except laziness.
Pricing---Several retailers in Europe have already priced it. Cheapest one is ~700...typical one is 800 and some go all the way up to 950. Look up the gsmarena.com article if you wish. Off contract it will be an arm and a leg. On contract it will be $300. That makes it the MOST expensive phone both on and off contract. $530? Yeah...maybe at that price it would be something to consider but 800? For an amazing screen and software? Heh.
Like I said, the real star of that presentation was the software. Ice Cream sandwich is amazing. GPU Acceleration anyone?
The phone though it comes on? A letdown sadly. Trust me, I was going to buy it. Was waiting for it for 3 months now. No more. May either get a Galaxy S2 now or wait for a Galaxy S2 HD for the Nexus HD screen and the Galaxy S2 performance and features.
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lmfao, best post all day. Gotta pay to play and $530 is pocket change for what you're getting in return.
Galaxy Nexus is clearly the device to get imo.
New Galaxy Nexus was just uncovered to only have 768MB RAM. Not a full GB.
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New Galaxy Nexus was just uncovered to only have 768MB RAM. Not a full GB.
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Uncovered by whom?
Probably that's all that is available after boot up.
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New Galaxy Nexus was just uncovered to only have 768MB RAM. Not a full GB.
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It's 1 GB.
My Tab 10.1 only shows 768 MB as well, but it's 1 GB. The Android System uses part of the RAM to operate. The rest you get as free RAM.
How do I know? Supercurio's Twitter.
"supercurio François Simond:
I read several websites listing #GalaxyNexus with 1GB RAM.. hmm, it's not quite what I found. Linux says: 648MB in total, 630 Available""
Now. He further investigated and Samsung did the same thing they did with the Vibrant. All of the memory combined on it is indeed 1GB. HOWEVER, they are reserving a ****load of memory for the GPU and other functions. Hence of that 1GB (the phone DOES have 1GB), on average there is SIGNIFICANTLY less. How much less? Read the Twitter status posted here. This is the equivalent of the HTC Sensation which has 768MB of RAM and actually IS listed to have 768MB.
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How do I know? Supercurio's Twitter.
"supercurio François Simond:
I read several websites listing #GalaxyNexus with 1GB RAM.. hmm, it's not quite what I found. Linux says: 648MB in total, 630 Available""
Now. He further investigated and Samsung did the same thing they did with the Vibrant. All of the memory combined on it is indeed 1GB. HOWEVER, they are reserving a ****load of memory for the GPU and other functions. Hence of that 1GB (the phone DOES have 1GB), on average there is SIGNIFICANTLY less. How much less? Read the Twitter status posted here. This is the equivalent of the HTC Sensation which has 768MB of RAM and actually IS listed to have 768MB.
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Great find. Thank you.
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can anyone point me to some really good hands on videos? i saw the one on phandroid and engadget the night all was announced. but are there any good videos that show a little more in depth?
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How do I know? Supercurio's Twitter.
"supercurio François Simond:
I read several websites listing #GalaxyNexus with 1GB RAM.. hmm, it's not quite what I found. Linux says: 648MB in total, 630 Available""
Now. He further investigated and Samsung did the same thing they did with the Vibrant. All of the memory combined on it is indeed 1GB. HOWEVER, they are reserving a ****load of memory for the GPU and other functions. Hence of that 1GB (the phone DOES have 1GB), on average there is SIGNIFICANTLY less. How much less? Read the Twitter status posted here. This is the equivalent of the HTC Sensation which has 768MB of RAM and actually IS listed to have 768MB.
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Supercurio already has a Galaxy Nexus one day after announcement? Didn't know the devs got it that fast.
I hate to bring this up here when the Rezound isn't even released yet but what's the deal with this phone?
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...rs/ShsH+(xda-developers)&utm_content=FaceBook
And 1st or 2nd quarter of 2012? Might be worth waiting for if it comes to Verizon.
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There will always be something better just around the corner...
And quad core won't make a big difference. There is nothing to do with that much power that android allows. Also, it is HSPA so that means Tmobile or ATT
I doubt it's real Tegra sucks IMO incredibly slow compared to other dual cores and HTC Sticks with qualcomm
Ok, Rezound it is.
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Stupid htc will probably give it a 1600 battery.
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Honestly the specs on this do look impressive though, Dual core 1.5 Ghz processor, a TRUE HD display if you look at resolution it will be highest even compared to the Moto RAZR and Samsung Nexus. Also has that whole Pure Beats audio thing going for it, depending on how much that matters.
With some rooting this could technically be the top for hardware in VZW's new 4G line up
Ehh, this phone is kinda ugly anyways, even if the quad-core mattered, and if it was on Verizon, I wouldn't wait for it. I don't like that big of a screen either, it's ridiculous. Vigor is where it's at
Yup. ReZound FTW.
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Stupid htc will probably give it a 1600 battery.
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I think they said it will be a 1650 battery.
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Honestly the specs on this do look impressive though, Dual core 1.5 Ghz processor, a TRUE HD display if you look at resolution it will be highest even compared to the Moto RAZR and Samsung Nexus. Also has that whole Pure Beats audio thing going for it, depending on how much that matters.
With some rooting this could technically be the top for hardware in VZW's new 4G line up
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its the same processor on the evo 3d just clocked higher out of the box
so we should be able go get 1.9ghz with custom kernels
Another Leaked phone
HTC Ville
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7...id-smartphone/
Supposedly gonna be the first with the Snapdragon S4 processor, 1.5GHz, and Android 4.0 + Sense 4.0, and 4.3 inch screen, with qHD, and super amoled type screen.
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HTC Ville
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7...id-smartphone/
Supposedly gonna be the first with the Snapdragon S4 processor, 1.5GHz, and Android 4.0 + Sense 4.0, and 4.3 inch screen, with qHD, and super amoled type screen.
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The link isn't working. "404 Page Not Found"
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The link isn't working. "404 Page Not Found"
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Weird. Well, you can google it, "HTC Ville", I found it by accident somewhere, but after I googled it, I saw a ton of articles on it already
Edit: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_...umored-as-first-sense-4.0-android-smartphone/ I went back to that website, and recopied it, maybe it'll work now
if you're intrigued by the whole 'quad-core' thing, don't. it's going to be quite some time before phones will even take real advantage of that.
heck, even then, for instance my netbook has an i7 cpu in it and at any given time it's only using between 5 - 10% of the cpu. that and playing a game it'll average 30 - 40%. so really an i7 is unecessary.
also, if you're into speed... in no time we'll be able to overclock the re:Zound(not that we need to). Hell, my Thunderbolt's 1 jigga hertz cpu is overclocked to 1.9
but again, there will be no point in overclocking for a loooong time.
I think the HTC Edge is their sleekest and classiest phone design to date! Screw quad-core, give me it right now with current specs! Throw in a good low-power dual-core OMAP processor at 1Ghz, steal the camera unit off of Samsung's flagship, slap an 1800mah battery in there and I'll be happy!
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I think the HTC Edge is their sleekest and classiest phone design to date! Screw quad-core, give me it right now with current specs! Throw in a good low-power dual-core OMAP processor at 1Ghz, steal the camera unit off of Samsung's flagship, slap an 1800mah battery in there and I'll be happy!
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id agree except ford yhe battery. minimum of 5000mAh please.
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And quad core won't make a big difference. There is nothing to do with that much power that android allows. Also, it is HSPA so that means Tmobile or ATT
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Correct me if I am wrong, but the big news about the new quad-core phones is not only performance, but the capacity to save 30/40% of battery life more, compare to dual cores:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile...Performance_Benchmarks_of_Tegra_3_Kal_El.html
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I think the HTC Edge is their sleekest and classiest phone design to date! Screw quad-core, give me it right now with current specs! Throw in a good low-power dual-core OMAP processor at 1Ghz, steal the camera unit off of Samsung's flagship, slap an 1800mah battery in there and I'll be happy!
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Ditto, give me a 720p screen though.
Quick question. I was reading an article about the HTC One X. It supposedly will come with a tegra 3 quad core processor but not in the US. We will get a Snapdragon S4 dual core so it can have LTE.
Does this mean we are stuck with dual core Snapdragon's in the future? Why can't they add LTE to the Tegra 3? It seems like a pretty big difference in processors. If I were planning on getting the One X I would be pretty disappointed knowing there is a more powerful phone out there. Why do we get gypped compared to overseas??
I guess I'm just saying that there are a ton of different chips out there and I don't wanna be stuck with Snapdragon's forever just to have LTE.
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Quick question. I was reading an article about the HTC One X. It supposedly will come with a tegra 3 quad core processor but not in the US. We will get a Snapdragon S4 dual core so it can have LTE.
Does this mean we are stuck with dual core Snapdragon's in the future? Why can't they add LTE to the Tegra 3? It seems like a pretty big difference in processors. If I were planning on getting the One X I would be pretty disappointed knowing there is a more powerful phone out there. Why do we get gypped compared to overseas??
I guess I'm just saying that there are a ton of different chips out there and I don't wanna be stuck with Snapdragon's forever just to have LTE.
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The S4 smokes the Tegra3 in just about every conceivable test. More cores ≠ better performance.
tekhna said:
The S4 smokes the Tegra3 in just about every conceivable test. More cores ≠ better performance.
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This. People have this notion that just because a CPU has more cores that it is going to perform better. That isn't always the case. It has to do with architecture.
tekhna said:
The S4 smokes the Tegra3 in just about every conceivable test. More cores ≠ better performance.
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Cores do help in more simultaneous tasks taking place though, no? So if you're running multiple tasks, the Tegra can handle more of a load than the S4 would be able to?
engsoccerfan said:
Cores do help in more simultaneous tasks taking place though, no? So if you're running multiple tasks, the Tegra can handle more of a load than the S4 would be able to?
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Sure, but as anandtech said:
"Qualcomm's strengths are clearly single/lightly threaded CPU performance as Krait is able to offer some significant steps forward in that department. Tegra 3 can hold onto an advantage in heavily threaded apps, but I'm not entirely convinced that in phones we'll see a lot of that."
Basically, sure, yeah, there's a theoretical advantage, but what are you doing on your phone that necessitates four cores? And even then, the S4 doesn't perform significantly better or worse on multithreaded tests than the Tegra3.
By the time you need a new phone, there'll be quad-core Qualcomm processors. I wouldn't worry, at all.
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tekhna said:
Sure, but as anandtech said:
"Qualcomm's strengths are clearly single/lightly threaded CPU performance as Krait is able to offer some significant steps forward in that department. Tegra 3 can hold onto an advantage in heavily threaded apps, but I'm not entirely convinced that in phones we'll see a lot of that."
Basically, sure, yeah, there's a theoretical advantage, but what are you doing on your phone that necessitates four cores? And even then, the S4 doesn't perform significantly better or worse on multithreaded tests than the Tegra3.
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+1
It's like putting two engines in your car. It has the *potential* to go really fast, but unless your car is built to use two engines, it's not going to make any difference. Not the best example, I know. But it's simple.
As per the OP, we just don't have compatible LTE/Tegra3 combinations yet. Very bluntly, our LTE stuff sucks. (Which is why Apple passed on it with the 4S) Eventually, there will be an LTE modem that works with a quad-core chip, it's just not there right now. Like everyone else has said, in real world performance, you won't notice it anyway.
Nvidia is working on a Tegra 3 chipset with LTE built in I think I read.
Regardless, S4 is still a beast of a chip.
im glad the htc one isn't coming to verizon. it's stuff like this that makes our rezound outdated way before it's time. no one really "needs" a quad in a cell phone and im glad there isn't alot of quad core devices coming this year. both ces & mobile world congress were a big disappointment as far as im concerned.
IMO, the S4 dual core is an awesome chip. I am very skeptical about quad core battery performance. Due to technical advancements maybe they are superior. We will see soon enough.
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still no good with limited. if you're not doing heavy multithreaded work you won't see much difference plus 4 cores means more battery consumption vs dual
Tegra = fail. The market is doing a good job with over hyping dual core and quad core. Some people think it's almost necessary to have dual/quad socs , when other platforms like w7 run just fine on a single core.
isn't the second core on resound usually asleep a lot of the time unless needed? now you can have 3 cores taking a nap
lol.
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most dual core phones only use the second core as a back-up or for HDMI only
thus making it pointless to have quad-core phones at the moment i ran everything just fine on my Thunderbolt which was single core and it out performed my stock rezound.. and yes quad core i presume would be a battery drainer cuz dual cores don't really even have that good of battery life and single cores r the same
and snapdragon has quadcores already and they r in the midst of working on 8core chipsets but that wont be out till late 2013 early mid 2014 so stick with what u have
all good things take time
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Comparing The Tegra 3 and the Snapdragon S4 is like comparing the AMD Bulldozer chips with the current Intel chips. They put more cores on a die and call it "The Fastest" but when the benchmarks start showing up it falls short of a lower end, more efficient chips. In theory more cores = more power, but in reality architectural is everything. All the hype from people being like "MOAR COREZ OMG FASTER" is a bunch of bull...
mighty_markus12 said:
im glad the htc one isn't coming to verizon. it's stuff like this that makes our rezound outdated way before it's time. no one really "needs" a quad in a cell phone and im glad there isn't alot of quad core devices coming this year. both ces & mobile world congress were a big disappointment as far as im concerned.
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CES and MWC are just teasers anyways. Did you see the Rezound, Nexus, Razr, Razr Maxx, Transformer Prime, Galaxy Note, etc at those events last year? Nope, you saw the Bionic which 7 months later was a disastrophy, lol.
Did veruzon say they weren't getting the one x? I know there is a new verizon htc phone on the road map.
I'm curious about the snapdragon s4 just because it has lte integrated.
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Well the One X has the same processor as my laptop 1.5 gh quad core. The only thing I think my computer really needs the quad cores for is intense games especially my wii emulator, which probably could run on One X since it has the same processor as my computer.
Ndaoud360 said:
Well the One X has the same processor as my laptop 1.5 gh quad core. The only thing I think my computer really needs the quad cores for is intense games especially my wii emulator, which probably could run on One X since it has the same processor as my computer.
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It's also pretty dependent on the GPU. Not sure what kind of graphics card your laptop has, but that has a pretty substantial effect on gaming.
The One X has a great dedicated GPU, but it's still a phone. Not sure if it can really match up to an actual computer's graphics card, but I've been wrong before.
I am confused. Which is faster - HTC One S on Snapdragon S4 or it's big bro, HTC one x? Can someone explain
k33t said:
I am confused. Which is faster - HTC One S on Snapdragon S4 or it's big bro, HTC one x? Can someone explain
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The HTC One S is dual core device, the HTC One X is quad core, so the One X should be faster
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DarkhShadow said:
The HTC One S is dual core device, the HTC One X is quad core, so the One X should be faster
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Sorry, but you can't just assume that because the Tegra 3 has more cores, it is faster. In most cases, the S4 > Tegra 3 CPU-wise, but the Tegra 3 > S4 GPU-wise.
IAmAN00bie said:
Sorry, but you can't just assume that because the Tegra 3 has more cores, it is faster. In most cases, the S4 > Tegra 3 CPU-wise, but the Tegra 3 > S4 GPU-wise.
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I said SHOULD be faster, oh and in my opinion the GPUs are pretty similar
I have tried both of them, the One X feels faster and plays games better
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Well, your post heavily implied that One X is faster than the One S because it has a quad core and that was your only reason. Also, your reply made no sense. You say the GPUs "are pretty similar" then say that the One X "plays games better."
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Well, your post heavily implied that One X is faster than the One S because it has a quad core and that was your only reason. Also, your reply made no sense. You say the GPUs "are pretty similar" then say that the One X "plays games better."
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Well because the One X has more processor power to mess around with if required
One thing I will say which I HATE is they both require a MicroSIM -.-
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S4 by far is a more efficient processor than Tegra 3
HTC One X has a higher resolution screen, which means it has a tougher job to do when pushing those extra polygons around and is probably why its scoring lower in terms of processing power, plus extra resolution of the One X makes it a slightly unfair to compare it with One S.
From what I've seen and read they are very comparable in terms of performance ..supposedly the s4 is a little more responsive in day to day operations like browsing etc..but the tegra has aa slight edge in gpu performance ..the krait is built on a smaller 28 NM tech. Which sounds good to me
sherrypizza said:
HTC One X has a higher resolution screen, which means it has a tougher job to do when pushing those extra polygons around and is probably why its scoring lower in terms of processing power, plus extra resolution of the One X makes it a slightly unfair to compare it with One S.
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The increase in resolution only taxes the GPU harder. The CPU in the One S still trounces the CPU in the Tegra 3, albeit not by much. In day to day usage, you won't notice the differences in speed.