The Galaxy Ace Wall has Fallen...... - Galaxy Ace S5830 General

http://www.xda-developers.com/announcements/where-did-my-forum-go-3/

This is bad news, I think our ace community is quite large and our ace is still fairly new. Anyways lets just keep on doing what we do best and that is makeing our ace the best it can be, we don't have to be on the main forum.
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umm....there is fairly good amount of activity going around ... and it is definitely not old .... sad :-( ...... but if there is again good amount of activity going on will they put us back on main template ????

prateek_gemini said:
umm....there is fairly good amount of activity going around ... and it is definitely not old .... sad :-( ...... but if there is again good amount of activity going on will they put us back on main template ????
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I don't think so.....

What the freaking f***

Very bad
Anyway i visited main page only once when i came first time on xda
then after always use bookmark so not gonna affect much
Hoping same for development

ya i hope same that you all lovely ace devs wont leave us

Hmmmm we maybe low activity,but its not old enough,we'll be biting the dust on the legacy area
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Any solution to get back ace on home?
I want to see our galaxy ace on main home page Any solution for it??

Prashanthme said:
I want to see our galaxy ace on main home page Any solution for it??
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Get us a CM9 port, that would boost the activity here

bad news... I don't know what coolya said about definately having an official version, but after that I really doubt it boys. Honestly so far CM7.2 by vo-1 is a very good rom, in my opinion is the most complete and stable and something tells me that it won't get any better than this.
I mean even if we won't get official, our ACE is still one hell of phone with this version of cyanogenmod on. And afterall, it's just a phone!!!!

In my opinion the thing is, all ROM cookers are separately working instead all collecting under the same roof and starting a big project (pointing at MIUI). Most of the phones which have CynogenMod or MIUI are on the main index, bacause? Its because those ROMs are made collectively by many developers at the same time.
It goes like this:
The bigger the project is - the more bugs spawn - more suggestions come - more mods come for them - more fixes - more themes - which ultimately leads to more activity in that particullar forum.
So as a viewpoint from a user, I'd like if all our developers come together no matter how much education he has about Android but they can contribute to the bigger goals. Make an official ROM for our Ace with widest possibilities of modding in it. I think we would gain our position back on the main index.
So what do you guys think?

5pace said:
In my opinion the thing is, all ROM cookers are separately working instead all collecting under the same roof and starting a big project (pointing at MIUI). Most of the phones which have CynogenMod or MIUI are on the main index, bacause? Its because those ROMs are made collectively by many developers at the same time.
It goes like this:
The bigger the project is - the more bugs spawn - more suggestions come - more mods come for them - more fixes - more themes - which ultimately leads to more activity in that particullar forum.
So as a viewpoint from a user, I'd like if all our developers come together no matter how much education he has about Android but they can contribute to the bigger goals. Make an official ROM for our Ace with widest possibilities of modding in it. I think we would gain our position back on the main index.
So what do you guys think?
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I talk about it exactly as you said in the very recent past and never got an answer for that. I absolutely agree with you.
The bottom line is this... mobile phone market as every electronics market is moving so fast that our ACE is now cosidered an old device. Keeping that in mind along with the fact that ACE happens to be a mid range phone then game is over. So if we haven't got an official CyanogenMod by now that means that will never gonna get one. Actually if we haven't got anything by late January 2012 GAME IS OVER!!!

itasoulas said:
I talk about it exactly as you said in the very recent past and never got an answer for that. I absolutely agree with you.
The bottom line is this... mobile phone market as every electronics market is moving so fast that our ACE is now cosidered an old device. Keeping that in mind along with the fact that ACE happens to be a mid range phone then game is over. So if we haven't got an official CyanogenMod by now that means that will never gonna get one. Actually if we haven't got anything by late January 2012 GAME IS OVER!!!
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Copy that. But the device never gets older till it gets updates from the dedicated dev's who constantly develop for it, making those phones accomplish bigger tasks than the newer phones. Samsung Galaxy S is the biggest instance, which's still on the index.

Couldnt care less
Cheers

itasoulas said:
I talk about it exactly as you said in the very recent past and never got an answer for that. I absolutely agree with you.
The bottom line is this... mobile phone market as every electronics market is moving so fast that our ACE is now cosidered an old device. Keeping that in mind along with the fact that ACE happens to be a mid range phone then game is over. So if we haven't got an official CyanogenMod by now that means that will never gonna get one. Actually if we haven't got anything by late January 2012 GAME IS OVER!!!
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What about LG optimus and optimus one and optimus v There are many devices far older than ACE, but the only problem is that Ace was never released in USA and hence we got lesser devs than those devices, hence classified as low activity

Well I dont know about the rest of the world But in the uk ace is very alive. Its still advertised on tv. 3, vodafone and carphone warehouse all use it in there adverts. Before the ace I had my ace I had an iphone and a gt540. Both ipressive devices for the time, but my ace is special. I havent loved a phone like this since my old w550. I love this phone, I adore it. And with the new software coming out its just as fast and stable as the old galaxy s. It not just a phone, its art! All who read this. . . Stop, look at your phone. Give the finger prints a wipe away. Hold it to the light and look. Now tell me its not stunning. Who cares where they put it. We love it!
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Well I dont know about the rest of the world But in the uk ace is very alive. Its still advertised on tv. 3, vodafone and carphone warehouse all use it in there adverts. Before the ace I had my ace I had an iphone and a gt540. Both ipressive devices for the time, but my ace is special. I havent loved a phone like this since my old w550. I love this phone, I adore it. And with the new software coming out its just as fast and stable as the old galaxy s. It not just a phone, its art! All who read this. . . Stop, look at your phone. Give the finger prints a wipe away. Hold it to the light and look. Now tell me its not stunning. Who cares where they put it. We love it!
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+1
Seems that some users feel less of a man (or woman) when their phone is not on the main thread. Couldnt agree with you more. Who cares where the thread is.
Cheers

well said!!
still a fantastic phone with genius devs like yourself releasing roms for it... who cares where the thread is, the ace devs being around is trillion times more important then where the thread is, for me its bookmarked, and even if it aint bookmarked can still find it in the drop-down list so whats the problem?

catapult1234 said:
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Seems that some users feel less of a man (or woman) when their phone is not on the main thread. Couldnt agree with you more. Who cares where the thread is.
Cheers
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The whole point is about activity, not the place where we are at the moment. No offence; but with people like your opinion won't even care if the whole board is removed.

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The Samsung Vibrant. Worthy Buy?

Hello Guys. I was hoping on buying this phone tomorrow. I love the look, the screen, processor etc etc but i see a little lack of amount of Devs like i thought i would see. Coming from being a G1 user for about 2 years now and being in the dream forum you guys probably know where im going with this (constant roms, constant upgrades, hacks for absolutely no reason making having the same ROM for too long annoying) was wondering was this phone a worthy buy? or are things just at a slow pace for now? would hate to buy this phone just for it to get over shadowed by the G2 being available soon and then having absolutely NO dev support anymore now seeing as Cyanogen himself is getting the G2 and there hasn't been a cm6 let alone anything from him released for this device.
Theres a 2 page thread with what you're looking for right below this thread.
zephiK said:
Theres a 2 page thread with what you're looking for right below this thread.
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While i'm completely grateful for your reply, i must say i've already read that thread and it actually generated my question of if its a worthy buy strictly upon dev work reasons. but thanks very much.
Shaquiel Harris said:
While i'm completely grateful for your reply, i must say i've already read that thread and it actually generated my question of if its a worthy buy strictly upon dev work reasons. but thanks very much.
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So you thought it would of been a better idea to post a NEW thread about it than replying to the thread that is pretty much relating to the same thing you're looking for as the OP in the other thread?
The vibrant beats the G2 in every other way in terms of hardware. The only reason why its going slow at the moment is because you aren't aware of what has been going on. CM6 was off to a slow start because WesGarner was working on the myTouch Slide before working on the vibrant but now his priority is to get CM6 up and running. CyanogenMod is already promised for the Galaxy S in 6.1, another reason why it is off to a slow start is because Samsung and HTC do their systems differently so it takes time to learn the environment and all that (I'm not a developer so.. I'm 100% correct about this).
It is still a top-notch phone based on benchmarks, yeah there are other factors based to it but the Hummingbird processor is the fastest processor on the market for Android phones. On top of that with Super AMOLED, it pretty much makes it so that when you look at your G1 it looks tiny. 4" is definitely the perfect size.
I'm sure once CM6 is up and running on Vibrant, things will start to roll up. I believe benbuchacher (known for his famous works: SuperD, SuperE, and incoming SuperF) has a Vibrant, Eugene_373 and justanothercrowd are some of the great developers that have been hard at work for giving us things to play with until CM6 is ready. There are many other developers out there that I haven't listed (sorry^)
The Galaxy S is also a international phone (as well as the four major U.S. carriers, people who want the keyboard on the Galaxy S have a option for the Epic 4G), a lot of the files are very similar and tweaks/hacks would work fine. So.. yeah in my opinion its a worthy buy, you have a 14-day (or 30) to return if it doesn't satisfy you.
You can follow their progress on Twitter & WesGarner's GitHub ( http://github.com/wesgarner )
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So you thought it would of been a better idea to post a NEW thread about it than replying to the thread that is pretty much relating to the same thing you're looking for as the OP in the other thread?
The vibrant beats the G2 in every other way in terms of hardware. The only has been going on. CM6 was off to a slow start because WesGarner was working on the myTouch Slide before working on the vibrant but now his priority is to get CM6 up and running. CyanogenMod is already promised for the Galaxy S in 6.1, another reason why it is off to a slow start is because Samsung and HTC do their systems differently so it takes time to learn the environment and all that (I'm not a developer so.. I'm 100% correct about this).
It is still a top-notch phone based on benchmarks, yeah there are other factors based to it but the Hummingbird processor is the fastest processor on the market for Android phones. On top of that with Super AMOLED, it pretty much makes it so that when you look at your G1 it looks tiny. 4" is definitely the perfect size.
I'm sure once CM6 is up and running on Vibrant, things will start to roll up. I believe benbuchacher (known for his famous works: SuperD, SuperE, and incoming SuperF) has a Vibrant, Eugene_373 and justanothercrowd are some of the great developers that have been hard at work for giving us things to play with until CM6 is ready. There are many other developers out there that I haven't listed (sorry^)
The Galaxy S is also a international phone (as well as the four major U.S. carriers, people who want the keyboard on the Galaxy S have a option for the Epic 4G), a lot of the files are very similar and tweaks/hacks would work fine. So.. yeah in my opinion its a worthy buy, you have a 14-day (or 30) to return if it doesn't satisfy you.
You can follow their progress on Twitter & WesGarner's GitHub ( http://github.com/wesgarner )
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That other thread was comparing a g2 to a vibrant. asking which was a better buy. I know every Dev you posted along with the basics of the vibrant etc Etc. Not a noob here in the slightest way Was just wondering from a person who has the phone thats all. The bold was exactly what i was wondering and was looking for so thank you for answering that question. Was planning on trying to port some the millions of ROMS from the dream over to this Phone but now i know why i don't see most of them already here. Gonna Do some research Now. Thanks alot fellow. And Yes I did think it was going to be a Better idea since you answered It quickly, efficiently, and there was no reason to read comments on things i wasn't really concerned about to find my answer. See how it worked out? Thanks again.
It's starting to leap ahead slowly. They found out how to flash kernels thru recovery just a couple of days ago so there isn't much more need for using a program called Odin to flash kernels. Odin can be pretty unreliable sometimes with the random crashing, I have yet to experience this but some people have. Definitely makes the job easier.
I was a huge fan of the "Super" ROMs, I definitely know what you mean by ROMs.. there would be a new one every other day and it would be fun to flash them and try it out then nandroid back. I'm certainly hoping for the same thing here, I'll admit that it is a little bit difficult when all the phones are seperated with their own forum but there is a proposal going around about merging all of them together (I9000,Fascinate,Epic 4G,Vibrant,Captivate)
Sadly i think the Vibrant is a great phone but wont have quite the dev as the G2 will. The G2 will probably be picked up by the likes of Cyanogen himself so it will depend on if a dev like him wants to keep it going or not. Had Cyanogen picked up the Vibrant and ran with it i think it might have had more possibilities. However i picked up the phone i had the G1 for 1.5 years (was a T-mobile Employee and got it 2 weeks before launch) and then switched to unlocked iphone for .5 years now im on the vibrant and im loving it. The android community has grown since i have been gone however i think since its samsung and not HTC that is what the problem is.
talltexan said:
Sadly i think the Vibrant is a great phone but wont have quite the dev as the G2 will. The G2 will probably be picked up by the likes of Cyanogen himself so it will depend on if a dev like him wants to keep it going or not. Had Cyanogen picked up the Vibrant and ran with it i think it might have had more possibilities. However i picked up the phone i had the G1 for 1.5 years (was a T-mobile Employee and got it 2 weeks before launch) and then switched to unlocked iphone for .5 years now im on the vibrant and im loving it. The android community has grown since i have been gone however i think since its samsung and not HTC that is what the problem is.
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The main reason why Cyanogen picked up the G2 is because he doesn't condone manufacturers to put their custom interfaces over it. Cyanogen prefers stock Android. The OP said himself that he is a porter so he is a developer, I don't think it'd be a wise idea for everybody to just follow Cyanogen because there are definitely the people using the Galaxy S phones who would enjoy the same amount of modding.
There is larger room to make a name for yourself simply because there are less developers but there is definitely a large community for the phone that wants modding support.
zephiK said:
4" is definitely the perfect size.
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Thats what she said
moSess said:
Thats what she said
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Awesome.
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Get the vibrant. Root it. Run one clig lag fix. U r good to go for now. U will be happy. All this can be done easily. Thanks to Ryanza 's smart work.
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Great phone, great experience and everything, does get kinda boring after sometime because i feel the phone is great the way it is, so until froyo theres nothing to really get excited about.
anyway great phone, and if i had to do it over again, i will still get this phone.a
I love it. Ive used just about every flavor of manufacturer-skinned android, along with vanilla (2.1 on G1). I can say after using other skins, TouchWiz 3.0 is pretty great. Vanilla android always wins, but this skin didn't feel as useless as some others.
I am coming from a mytouch slide, and a G1 before that, so the thought of a phone with no keyboard worried me. However the screen is the perfect size, and I'm pretty fast with swype. Not to mention, I had this phone rooted within 10 minutes of getting it home, whereas I never got the Slide rooted.
CM6 is coming to the Vibrant. Development is going to pick up. The Galaxy S series is on all four major carriers here in the US. I know we're going to see some interesting things happen.
I've had a lot of fun with this phone in the short time I've owned it, so I can definitely recommend it. And about the G2, it doesn't exactly seem light-years ahead, and if you wait for it...like magic the next superphone will be leaked and your attention will be on that.
So I would say get the Vibrant, you'll have a lot of fun with it.
...oh and I typed this out on it.
The only reason I might not get this phone is because of A. Its Sammie so who knows how long the official 2.2 comes B. Its not HTC so Devs will have to get accustomed to the phone C. It has Touchwiz. I could deal with Sense for a bit in waiting of CM6 or just stock 2.2 Android but playing with the phone in the Tmo store just turned me off. Looks like I will have to get a N1 or maybe wait for the G2
To me the entire CM6 is so over hyped its insane. The devs working on things are doing great. The phone is awesome as it is and anything beyond what it is now is pure gravy.
If/when CM6 hits I'm sure it will be awesome, but if you are holding out on the idea of that then well your going to miss out on a great phone.
The "devs" in the Dream section mostly produce hacked up beta garbage that never reaches a final release. Thanks but no thanks, I don't like flashing my phone 23452434 times to find something that works properly in ALL aspects. Then when you try to tell the devs what's broken they pitch a ***** fit and start complaining because they released it with known bugs. SICK of it.
There are a few that are worth the time in the G1/myTouch section but most of it is garbage and I had both devices.
Difficulty
The phone is worthy in every aspect of the word. This is an HTC forum. Luckily for us we have a very popular phone. I doubt we will go the way of other non HTC (AND SOME HTC) phones.
I am enjoying this phone, bloat and all, especially after the lag fix. I do enjoy an elegant vanilla though. But in its current condition would enjoy this Vibrant for at least a year.
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Awesome.
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Sometimes you can't help it, you know
ilovemytilt1 said:
The only reason I might not get this phone is because of A. Its Sammie so who knows how long the official 2.2 comes B. Its not HTC so Devs will have to get accustomed to the phone C. It has Touchwiz. I could deal with Sense for a bit in waiting of CM6 or just stock 2.2 Android but playing with the phone in the Tmo store just turned me off. Looks like I will have to get a N1 or maybe wait for the G2
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Okay first off. Touchwiz is pretty good now. Touchwiz implemented pretty cool features and it isn't as bad. Dont criticize it if you haven't ever tried it. Samsung has already said froyo will be released sometime in September. Stop degrading a phone that you've never used.
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Since the vibrant is fairly new and with the Froyo rumored to be out in Sept., I just don't see why any dev will want to spend all their time making a rom for a phone that might be getting the 2.2 upgrade in a month. I'm sure once the Froyo update is out, the devs will start their custom roms... For those that doesn't like the stock home launcher setup, just goto the market and get Launcher pro or ADWLauncher. Both will replace the iphone look alike. As far as lag fix and GPS fix, i didn't use any and my phone seems to be working like it should without any lag or gps problems.
I am not too into the whole ROM thing, if anyone could PM me the info in what it is for and why it is always great, it would be greatly appreciated. Anyways, back on topic, I like the Vibrant the screen is responsive and the huge screen makes typing a breeze(on both landscape and portrait mode). The processor is the best you can get right now on the Android OS and the screen is just amazing. The bad... Touch Wizard 3.0 is really good but coming from other Android devices I miss the App drawer so much. It does take getting used to, and if it is really that bad for you, then go get an open home theme. Or maybe stock Froyo installed(is that a ROM?) That would be nice, because the Vibrant would be perfect if it just had a less skinned theme. Great phone overall.
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Will Photon Die??????

As we all know that there is not many developers for this photon 4g like other mobile phones ..
so i think that if there are not developers for the photon 4g then photon will die soon
what u say about this ??????
only way my photon is dying is if i forget to plug it in
I Just want to know what the hell it is you people expect?
20, 30 Roms? That all use a slightly different deodexed base? and have a different set of icons or themes? And all introduce a new set of crap that only partially works?
I mean really - there are only so many things you can do to a rom before they all become the same damn thing with a different name and "dev".
Most of what I see out there is a guy tweaking his phone, removing bloat ware,claiming "ZOMG Battery and Speed!", dumping /system into a Zip file and that someone else made and posting it for someone else to flash to their phone
Want to learn how to do it?
Flash aliens rom, tweak it how you like it, add some icons and themeing (the brunt of the work).
adb pull /system/ C:\Users\Username\Desktop
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Copy all of that into Aliens Zip file, post it is a rom for people to flash - almost 0 effort to do anything but the art - which you can steal from just about anyone online and call it a "port".
/rant
That was just rude. .. this is best phone but when you compare Bionic and stupid 3d threads...well i see what he means ...and Roms are not usually the same.. Some have performance tweaks...like 4g on unlocked bootloader. Speed increase, themes and mods.. Nothing wrong with him trying to get or rally development support like some of the inferior phones have. Remember, this is a development site...
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like 4g on unlocked bootloader.
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Not a function of the Rom - Lockfish (I think?) has just been able to figure out how to fix it outside of the issue with the bootloader.
I'm not being rude - I was being honest, but there is a thread at least every other day talking about how lack luster our dev section is. This IS a development forum - and I showed him (really basically) how to make a rom. No?
Honestly, when you get 5 or 6 different roms out there - there are enough similarities between them and not enough differences that there really isn't much of a point. 99% of what most people experience from ROM to ROM is placebo.
It appears both the OP and Kcarp were both in the wrong on this one, and for this reason:
OP - Phone development will progress only as fast as sources are released. This phone is still new enough to where developers are still waiting on critical components to really be able to customize this phone. Do not expect this forum to jump off like an HTC (insert model here) forum, but instead, anticipate seasoned developers finding and introducing mods, tweaks and more efficient ways to unlock the bootloader over the coming weeks/months.
Kcarp - C'monnnn man, you're better than that rant. You've been around long enough (hell, I remember ya from the Hero days) to know that these types of threads pop up weekly, and sometimes it's best just to ignore them. I know you meant well, but the last thing we want to do is scare off future developers from posting here as this phone gets older, when so many are leaving XDA as it is.
I am also getting sick of these whiny threads. This phone gets close to the battery life of my evo shift running a cm7 clone, locks gps about 100x's faster and gets a better data and call signal everywhere. My phone is stock rooted with no bloatware touched. It may take some time but even IF development never goes far with this phone, i'd still be happy with it.
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only way my photon is dying is if i forget to plug it in
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Damn it, you beat me to it.
All I need is CM7 Or a sense 3.5 rom, blur sucks
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Kcarp - C'monnnn man, you're better than that rant. You've been around long enough (hell, I remember ya from the Hero days) to know that these types of threads pop up weekly, and sometimes it's best just to ignore them. I know you meant well, but the last thing we want to do is scare off future developers from posting here as this phone gets older, when so many are leaving XDA as it is.
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*runs away with his tale between his legs*
pwrmedia said:
It appears both the OP and Kcarp were both in the wrong on this one, and for this reason:
OP - Phone development will progress only as fast as sources are released. This phone is still new enough to where developers are still waiting on critical components to really be able to customize this phone.
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The epic touch 4G came out after it and has at least 10 to 12 roms
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i want to say that like other devices that developers port thing to device like new thing and Android latest OS ..you can see that older device google nexus one and nexus s has the ICS and this thing is done by the developers of that devices .if developers leave to port the thing and Updated Android then devices are able to run application and play games which are only supported the updated Android OS
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i want to say that like other devices that developers port thing to device like new thing and Android latest OS ..you can see that older device google nexus one and nexus s has the ICS and this thing is done by the developers of that devices .if developers leave to port the thing and Updated Android then devices are able to run application and play games which are only supported the updated Android OS
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Established developers will get to this phone eventually. CWM will add the phone into the ROM Manager database, and Cyanogen and others will eventually port their versions to ours. Have patience or be prepared to sell your phone on Ebay/Craigslist if you just can't wait.
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guys i love this phone but asking question (which are meaningless ) is for to satisfy my heart
i love tegra2
pwrmedia said:
Established developers will get to this phone eventually. CWM will add the phone into the ROM Manager database, and Cyanogen and others will eventually port their versions to ours. Have patience or be prepared to sell your phone on Ebay/Craigslist if you just can't wait.
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Ha
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This phone is Damn near the Best you are going to get out of the box. All those other phones NEED Rom's to run as good as our phone does Out Of The Box. Moto has updated this phone 3x in less than 2 months ALREADY (it would take Sammy 2 years to update the SGS2 3x). There is a rumor I have seen that Moto is working on ANOTHER update for this Amazing phone.
I could careless if I get ROM's or not. It works Great for me as is. I was lucky enough to get Grand Fathered into Unlimited Mobile Hotspot Data since I have been a customer since 1997 and spoke with a Retentions Manager (Politely) and she took care of me). No 5G Cap for me and my area is 4G Saturated. Use the Hotspot for my Xoom, HP Touchpad and Samsung Galaxy Player 5.0. I am Very, Very Happy with this phone.
Had the OG EVO before this phone and was putting ROM's/Kernels on it all the time (last one was Synergy SC2). Got tired of that. It's nice to just have a phone that WORKS like it's supposed to without ROM's.
Nothing wrong with the photon... quit crying
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I have seen some good 3d games from gameloft in the market but most of them appears as incopatible with my mopho, does anybody knows if this is a hardware incopatibility issue or another way to get them.
WTF is this ..........
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This phone is Damn near the Best you are going to get out of the box. All those other phones NEED Rom's to run as good as our phone does Out Of The Box. Moto has updated this phone 3x in less than 2 months ALREADY (it would take Sammy 2 years to update the SGS2 3x). There is a rumor I have seen that Moto is working on ANOTHER update for this Amazing phone.
I could careless if I get ROM's or not. It works Great for me as is. I was lucky enough to get Grand Fathered into Unlimited Mobile Hotspot Data since I have been a customer since 1997 and spoke with a Retentions Manager (Politely) and she took care of me). No 5G Cap for me and my area is 4G Saturated. Use the Hotspot for my Xoom, HP Touchpad and Samsung Galaxy Player 5.0. I am Very, Very Happy with this phone.
Had the OG EVO before this phone and was putting ROM's/Kernels on it all the time (last one was Synergy SC2). Got tired of that. It's nice to just have a phone that WORKS like it's supposed to without ROM's.
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Big +1 here. Epic 4g needed roms just to last a day on battery and to be fast enough to keep up with certain applications. Problem with the ROMs is that even journaled, they'd get buggy after a few weeks, or there would be just something about a ROM that would annoy me. Once it got dual boot capability I was flashing ROMs left and right. It got to be where I was flashing ROMs just to flash ROMs, like I forgot other ways to kill boredom.
I don't feel an immediate need to flash ROMs. If CM7 comes stable to the photon I'll probably try it just to see what the fuss is about. However, I'm more interested in eventual ICS. I'm happy for root because of Titanium backup and other such things that you need root to run. The battery is great, and it's plenty fast enough. There is one thing about this phone that no ROM could give me on the Epic 4g... the ability to make a phone call at work. The antenna is far superior.
the only thing I'd like to see dying Is this troll thread
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Where have all the Devs gone?

Just curious..Where have all the Devs gone? The first few days the dev section seemed to be on fire! I haven't seen anything new pop up in a bit. I'm sure I'm not the only one who can be asking this question. I know they do this as hobby/passion and for free which is why I'm simply asking for "proof of life".lol.
Anyone know of anything in the works? Giving me even more of a reason to check the forums 100 times a day like a true flashaholic ;-)
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connordroid said:
Just curious..Where have all the Devs gone? The first few days the dev section seemed to be on fire! I haven't seen anything new pop up in a bit. I'm sure I'm not the only one who can be asking this question. I know they do this as hobby/passion and for free which is why I'm simply asking for "proof of life".lol.
Anyone know of anything in the works? Giving me even more of a reason to check the forums 100 times a day like a true flashaholic ;-)
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Take a walk outside for some fresh air.
Messages like these will not motivate any dev in getting 'cracking'.
what do you mean, it is doing just fine.....they have been plugging away at getting CWM working....which without leaves most users at a disadvantage cuz some people just seem to have issues with oden and ADB. now that they have an alpha of CWM roms will be coming next. and i also think that since ICS is coming up the future that devs are waiting for that. why keep dropping ginger roms? and i see them working on ICS roms as well. we have a stable ginger rom in TPC's/da g's kernel mix. i still see the same devs working and plugging away and we have more now than we did 2 weeks ago...
they are working, and like you said.... they are working on there own time and for FREE.
we should all be greatful. when they stop working be worried.
I think ICS is in the works. The DEV just wants to clean up some of the other issues he is working on. Yes this is vague but I do not want to over step my bounds.
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I too am eager however the one and only rom we have is stable. I can wait for ICS as long as it takes. We have an overclock kernel as well. With other devices I have seen dozens of roms and dozens of kernels with only one or two having full functionality. We have been very fortunate. With that said there seems to be less than the usual amount of Development on this device but remember this is brand new. It takes a while... with the streak we only had a few devs and even then at one point really only one dev. Give it a few weeks. If not do like I am and imerse yourself in reading on how to make roms. I develop android apps and have a few in the market, now that does not qualify me to make roms it does mean that I have the ability to learn like many others could do if they were motivated to do so.
Zabalba said:
Take a walk outside for some fresh air.
Messages like these will not motivate any dev in getting 'cracking'.
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I THOUGHT I made it clear that was not my intention at all. Thanks for the other responses they actually answered my question. There are many people like me who are fairly new to this. I am coming from the inspire and when I first got it there were tons of roms available, but I got it 4 months after launch. Then I realized I could have been using the desire HD roms. Can the international rooms be flashed using Odin?
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connordroid said:
Can the international rooms be flashed using Odin?
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NO. You will brick your device if you try to flash international ROMs, as they have a different processor as well as other various differences that essentially make them completely different beasts with the same form factor.
Reading a bit more would inform you as to why development is slow right now and why you can't flash international ROMs.
To give you the sparknotes version of what's going on however:
As others have said, we only have an alpha version of CWM, so devs are working on getting that polished up.
Second, devs are working on a way to get around the flash counter, so that you do not have any problems with a warranty exchange in the future. If you don't care about your warranty or want to risk a return with a triggered flash counter, go for it. Other phones have had their flash counter bypassed, so I'm sure our talented devs will come up with a solution fairly soon.
Also, as others have mentioned, we have one stable ROM already, and a great kernel, so that should solve most problems with using the stock ROM until more development occurs.
Lastly, with ICS on the horizon, there is not really a good reason to produce a ton of GB ROMs, so be patient and use the stable one we have already until ICS drops in a few months or so.
The longest anybody has had this device is 11 days right now, and we already have a stable ROM and OC/UV capable kernel. In my opinion, that's a damn good start, and I have a feeling that development will eventually be huge on this device. Give it a few months. =]
So funny how everyone keeps talking about ICS like its coming in two weeks! Btw the release date for that that everyone think is coming soon is for the International version!
Big Dogg Infuse I997 ZeusB5 ICS!
bignate78 said:
So funny how everyone keeps talking about ICS like its coming in two weeks! Btw the release date for that that everyone think is coming soon is for the International version!
Big Dogg Infuse I997 ZeusB5 ICS!
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Nobody here referenced the international release of official ICS. I think most people here know that it doesn't mean anything for our devices. However, it will be here eventually, and devs are most likely already working on porting over an unofficial version.
The phone been out a week. Lmao, wow
welchertc said:
Nobody here referenced the international release of official ICS. I think most people here know that it doesn't mean anything for our devices. However, it will be here eventually, and devs are most likely already working on porting over an unofficial version.
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There are various dev versions of ICS cooking as we speak; and, I also wouldn't be surprised if Samsung surprises everyone with an official version on/around March 15th... including a US version.
paleh0rse said:
There are various dev versions of ICS cooking as we speak; and, I also wouldn't be surprised if Samsung surprises everyone with an official version on/around March 15th... including a US version.
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I feel the same way. ATT and Samsung know they need to do something to pull ahead of android competition; they've done it with quality android hardware, now they need to do it with consumer peace-of-mind on the software upgrade front. Nowhere has Samsung said that ICS for "international note" is coming in Q1 2012. They merely say it is coming to the "note", period. I think ICS will come for the US variant sooner rather than later. I know when I got my Atrix, people whined and hollared that it would never get GB. ATT delivered GB very soon, to the scorn of the red-faced naysayers. I know the Atrix was Motorola, but its still an example of a carrier pushing a fast update. Samsung is an excellent company, especially with their Android devices. If any company leads the way for quicker full-product-line android upgrades, I'd expect it to be them.
Pure speculation and I'm maybe totally wrong, but I think the US Note will see ICS very soon.
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thank you guys and gals
This is the downside of getting a newly launched device. I went thru it with the asus transformer 101. That was a little painful in the beginning, but the brilliant minds solved all the problems. It took about a month to really get rolling.
I picked up the Infuse about a year after launch and it was humming within 3 days cause all the hard work had already been done by those great minds in their forum.
The advantage with the Note is it's really great as a stock phone out of the box.
The smart guys and gals here want to advance just as much as we want them to succeed in making this Note the best it can be. So, Patience, and let them work. When they have something good they will be shouting it as loud as can be.
Support and good words go along way. We appreciate you guys more than you know! Thank you for all your efforts, and time away from your work, family, friends and hobbies to devote to this great piece of hardware.
this forum has gotten more action in the past week then the atrix did in the first 2 months. lol.
Damn you guys that are coming from other forums are spoiled!!! I remember waiting foreeevveer just to flash something on the atrix.. and then when CWM came out i was like "wtf is a CWM?" (atrix was my first android).
Stock rom on this phone is doing pretty well for me .Froze all the bloat, not using touchwiz -- and its like i dont even have anything from Samsung on there (besides the SPEN).
I can do without a rom until ICS comes out.. and that is going to do wonders for this device. ICS on the ATRIX is like a breath of fresh air, cant wait to see it on this beast.
Your right, I guess I was kinda spoiled coming from the inspire/desire HD forums. I never realized how long it takes to get things up and running. I apologize if I came off as being impatient. Again that was NOT my intention. I love these forums and appreciate the Devs hard work immensely.
On another "Note" (I know,I know, sorry) I was at best buy mobile last night where I know a couple sales reps and they mentioned that they hoped someone ported over Ics soon as the Samsung rep they spoke with at their store said Ics won't be coming our way for a good while. I myself take that with a grain of salt though. Do you think that a Samsung sales rep would even really know the Ics release schedule?
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Its easy to see all the new users. It takes time. Plus why worry about a flash counter? Do any of you know of anyone or heard of anyone having issues with that? I havent and flashed my skyrocket alot before i turned it in. Seems to just be a way to make n00bs worry. And its working
smokestack76 said:
Its easy to see all the new users. It takes time. Plus why worry about a flash counter? Do any of you know of anyone or heard of anyone having issues with that? I havent and flashed my skyrocket alot before i turned it in. Seems to just be a way to make n00bs worry. And its working
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Agree so hard
Can't figure out all the freaking out over the flash counters at all. There are no known complications with this. Plus, are you just going to avoid all customization for good? Why not just get started now??
jpeg42 said:
Agree so hard
Can't figure out all the freaking out over the flash counters at all. There are no known complications with this. Plus, are you just going to avoid all customization for good? Why not just get started now??
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I guess I never looked too far into the flash counter. I had read a few threads about it, and people seemed to be convinced that AT&T would get fussy about it. I suppose it doesn't really mean much if you end up putting your phone back to stock and unrooting before returning it. If it wasn't for rooting and such, developers couldn't make apps and flash stuff to the phone, so I guess it doesn't really make sense at all why they would care if the device has been flashed with something else, especially if it is returned to a stock state for a return.
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Agree so hard
Can't figure out all the freaking out over the flash counters at all. There are no known complications with this. Plus, are you just going to avoid all customization for good? Why not just get started now??
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I mean I'm at least waiting for more than one ROM, when there are a good supply of awesome ROMs I'll jump right in.
Lol. It's not like all the Dev's aren't answering posts in their respective forums...
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[Q] GALAXY S III - CON VS PROS - Please helphelp

I called T-Mobile and got them to let me get this sexy phone for $220. But before I get the phone I d to know the pros and cons of having this phone. I have already done all the initial research like specs and stuff. But I need the GS3 community to tell me what they like about the phone and what bugs them. I want you to list any little / specific thing. I am switching over from HTC Amaze 4G (sucky development) .... How Is the development in here? Want your guys opinions. You guys will be helping me a lot. I appreciate any help I can get.
mznatnat said:
I called T-Mobile and got them to let me get this sexy phone for $220. But before I get the phone I d to know the pros and cons of having this phone. I have already done all the initial research like specs and stuff. But I need the GS3 community to tell me what they like about the phone and what bugs them. I want you to list any little / specific thing. I am switching over from HTC Amaze 4G (sucky development) .... How Is the development in here? Want your guys opinions. You guys will be helping me a lot. I appreciate any help I can get.
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Look around, plenty of development. Just about everyone here likes the phone, except the trolls. And even then most of them probably secretly like it too.
The phone is just awesome.
Now i don't recommend branded firmware but that's okay, it's android so you will probably put CM9 in there or any other custom ROM.
Btw, there is a forum for tmobile users, nothing here (international) will work with yours and you should ask them for opinions on performance, the international is a quadcore and US variants are dual core with different specs.
Goodluck.
Phone is awesome just great support here in XDA.
my only con is the Screen break easily, not that my phone's screen break but I've always read a thread every now and then and youtube videos that the screen breaks easily. So I handled my device gently so far didn't drop it ever since day 1
I absolutely love my SIII. Particularly like the speed of the processor and the quality of the screen. And the fact that JB is available (although there is only 1 official built ATM, for Poland; but the rest of the world will have an official build very shortly).
With most of my old phones, I have flashed custom ROM's within weeks of buying. But with this one, the Sammy ROM's are excellent and 5 months in I am still using them. I have tried a couple of custom's, but keep coming back to stock ROM's (obviously rooted, and occasionally custom kernels that support CIFS).
With regards to the development, and this forum, due to the popularity of the phone it is absolutely saturated with a myriad of people. There are lots of very talented devs, who contribute loads of really excellent work. But there are twice as many "noobs" (god I hate that word), who refuse to search, research, or learn before posting inane questions. Then there are twice as many as that of people who consider it their god given right to flame anyone for not being as geeky as they are.
Bottom line - the development for this phone is excellent, and full of talented, helpful people. You just have to hunt through a ton of cr4p to find them.
I have a iphone 3gs and now i have a sg3 for my birthday present
All i can say its the best phone,it tends to get hot when u playing games but i think its normal since its a quad core.
U can flash rom,install kernel and all that.I have my sg3 for about 1month plus.
At first i have no idea wads android,wads ics wads jelly bean.But slowly i pick it up along the way.
I have the latest siyal kernel with dual boot cristelo and romow rom
Best phone
There is no cons in SGS3, nothing which I can tell at the moment.
I love it at the moment..although the Galaxy Note 2 seems to be better with the 2GB RAM tho' ;p
Note:
I am not using any custom ROMs at the moment on my S3 even after several months after buying (pre-ordered in June )...I feel that its not yet necessary for the moment...
It was different as my old HTC Desire...I have to go for custom ROMs only after 2 weeks due to the lots and lots of weaknesses HTC Desire has and I need special scripts to solve it like EXT2SD, DALVIK2SD, etc. etc. etc.
Well just after i purchased my S3, i rooted it right away. I am officially addicted to flashing stuffs. •_•
I cant find any cons on an s3, it's an awesome phone (for now; give it like 6 months more, s4's gonna come) lol
PROS:
AMOLED screen is THE BOMB
QUADCORE, insane fast
2100mAh, longer battery life (a lot of you complain, idk how u guys use ur phone :| )
Yadayadayada )) you guys know the rest of the PROS
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Skander1998 said:
The phone is just awesome.
Now i don't recommend branded firmware but that's okay, it's android so you will probably put CM9 in there or any other custom ROM.
Btw, there is a forum for tmobile users, nothing here (international) will work with yours and you should ask them for opinions on performance, the international is a quadcore and US variants are dual core with different specs.
Goodluck.
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True I didn't know until after I posted in here and I don't wanna make the same post in their section
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saywhatt said:
Well just after i purchased my S3, i rooted it right away. I am officially addicted to flashing stuffs. •_•
I cant find any cons on an s3, it's an awesome phone (for now; give it like 6 months more, s4's gonna come) lol
PROS:
AMOLED screen is THE BOMB
QUADCORE, insane fast
2100mAh, longer battery life (a lot of you complain, idk how u guys use ur phone :| )
Yadayadayada )) you guys know the rest of the PROS
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They complain because they use their phones hardcore. Plus it also depends on the rom they use. The last Tom I had before this one saved me so much battery life but with this new one I am plugged into a charger all day everyday. Just so I can use all the good features like Google now.

[Q] questions & complains

Hi all,
I'll eventually buy a S3, that's why I am posting here, but before I do that I want to leave here my questions / complains.
I own a SAMSUNG GT-I9000 running a CyanogenMod 10 nightly build 10-20120918.
I've been using this phone for 2 years and I've tried several ROMS.
My experience with this phone and with this OS is rather disappointing since most of the time the phone is in alpha or beta.
I mean all the ROMS I've tried had bugs (TouchWiz maybe is stable but I do not like it).
For example, I power on my phone and the OS crashes, after some minutes when I manage to get to the home screen I get "Google Search isn't responding. Do you want to close it?". Not to mention that some apps need at least 10 sec to launch.
I really appreciate the effort of the developers but I just don't get it that are appearing ROMS with such severe bugs.
So I've decided to buy a new phone but once again I am between the devil and the deep blue sea.
I've spent some time in shops testing Galaxy S3, HTC One X and IPhone 5 and wondered:
1. How can it be that Galaxy S3 with quad processor on board is performing so bad compared to dual core of IPhone 5? All apps on IPhone are opening almost instantly, not the case on S3. I can clearly see that S3 is not as responsive as IPhone 5 and if you have done the same as I did you cannot deny it.
2. How HTC manages to build such a beautiful OS and Samsung not? TouchWiz looks like is made for kids just like the custom ROMS for it. I know Sense is not perfect but at least is an eye catcher. There is not even one theme for S3 that appeals to me. Or is there someone here who likes to see pink unicorn as logo? If I were 10 years old maybe I would like to have icons with popey, smurfs, heidi and barbie on my phone, but I am not. So the most among you I think...
Maybe can someone can answer these questions...
As I said I ll probably go for the S3 for several reasons but these things really bother me. I'm afraid it 'll be the same story again...Having a super smartphone and not even able to make a phone call...
Are you some sort of idiot....if you have so much to complain about dont buy the damn phone! Dont come on here whining about it! Not really the best place to be comparing the processing power to an iphone is it??
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droidis said:
Hi all,
I'll eventually buy a S3, that's why I am posting here, but before I do that I want to leave here my questions / complains.
I own a SAMSUNG GT-I9000 running a CyanogenMod 10 nightly build 10-20120918.
I've been using this phone for 2 years and I've tried several ROMS.
My experience with this phone and with this OS is rather disappointing since most of the time the phone is in alpha or beta.
I mean all the ROMS I've tried had bugs (TouchWiz maybe is stable but I do not like it).
For example, I power on my phone and the OS crashes, after some minutes when I manage to get to the home screen I get "Google Search isn't responding. Do you want to close it?". Not to mention that some apps need at least 10 sec to launch.
I really appreciate the effort of the developers but I just don't get it that are appearing ROMS with such severe bugs.
So I've decided to buy a new phone but once again I am between the devil and the deep blue sea.
I've spent some time in shops testing Galaxy S3, HTC One X and IPhone 5 and wondered:
1. How can it be that Galaxy S3 with quad processor on board is performing so bad compared to dual core of IPhone 5? All apps on IPhone are opening almost instantly, not the case on S3. I can clearly see that S3 is not as responsive as IPhone 5 and if you have done the same as I did you cannot deny it.
2. How HTC manages to build such a beautiful OS and Samsung not? TouchWiz looks like is made for kids just like the custom ROMS for it. I know Sense is not perfect but at least is an eye catcher. There is not even one theme for S3 that appeals to me. Or is there someone here who likes to see pink unicorn as logo? If I were 10 years old maybe I would like to have icons with popey, smurfs, heidi and barbie on my phone, but I am not. So the most among you I think...
Maybe can someone can answer these questions...
As I said I ll probably go for the S3 for several reasons but these things really bother me. I'm afraid it 'll be the same story again...Having a super smartphone and not even able to make a phone call...
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Here's a bit of advice:
DON'T SPAM THE BOARD,
if you just want to complain about every freakin' ROM, don't do it at all..
test things before posting cr*p like this,
GET STABLE ROMS!!!
WIPE DALVIK BEFORE RUNNING OSs
BUY THIS GOD FOR SAKEN PHONE, GET MIUI AND BE HAPPY!!!
AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE MIUI, GET CM9 IT'S THE MOST STABLE TO DATE.
By the way: Thanks, you just ruined my evening. Cheers, mate! Have a good day
LG familyguy59/Beatsleigher
P.S. Reporting thread - Spam
familyguy59 said:
Here's a bit of advice:
DON'T SPAM THE BOARD,
if you just want to complain about every freakin' ROM, don't do it at all..
test things before posting cr*p like this,
GET STABLE ROMS!!!
WIPE DALVIK BEFORE RUNNING OSs
BUY THIS GOD FOR SAKEN PHONE, GET MIUI AND BE HAPPY!!!
AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE MIUI, GET CM9 IT'S THE MOST STABLE TO DATE.
By the way: Thanks, you just ruined my evening. Cheers, mate! Have a good day
LG familyguy59/Beatsleigher
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Well said mate! People these days, i cant wait to see everyones response to this moron lol
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I didn't insult anyone and I will not reply on this level. If there are others like speedygay you can leave your comments for yourself don't post at all. If no one is complaining then nothing is going to change.
droidis said:
Hi all,
I'll eventually buy a S3, that's why I am posting here, but before I do that I want to leave here my questions / complains.
I own a SAMSUNG GT-I9000 running a CyanogenMod 10 nightly build 10-20120918.
I've been using this phone for 2 years and I've tried several ROMS.
My experience with this phone and with this OS is rather disappointing since most of the time the phone is in alpha or beta.
I mean all the ROMS I've tried had bugs (TouchWiz maybe is stable but I do not like it).
For example, I power on my phone and the OS crashes, after some minutes when I manage to get to the home screen I get "Google Search isn't responding. Do you want to close it?". Not to mention that some apps need at least 10 sec to launch.
I really appreciate the effort of the developers but I just don't get it that are appearing ROMS with such severe bugs.
So I've decided to buy a new phone but once again I am between the devil and the deep blue sea.
I've spent some time in shops testing Galaxy S3, HTC One X and IPhone 5 and wondered:
1. How can it be that Galaxy S3 with quad processor on board is performing so bad compared to dual core of IPhone 5? All apps on IPhone are opening almost instantly, not the case on S3. I can clearly see that S3 is not as responsive as IPhone 5 and if you have done the same as I did you cannot deny it.
2. How HTC manages to build such a beautiful OS and Samsung not? TouchWiz looks like is made for kids just like the custom ROMS for it. I know Sense is not perfect but at least is an eye catcher. There is not even one theme for S3 that appeals to me. Or is there someone here who likes to see pink unicorn as logo? If I were 10 years old maybe I would like to have icons with popey, smurfs, heidi and barbie on my phone, but I am not. So the most among you I think...
Maybe can someone can answer these questions...
As I said I ll probably go for the S3 for several reasons but these things really bother me. I'm afraid it 'll be the same story again...Having a super smartphone and not even able to make a phone call...
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The beauty of android lies in the flexibility and customization.
S3 is way better than any Apple
If you like Apple, go and buy it, what are you comparing for?
There are many stable roms for all phones, I use viking, with nova launcher, I am happy.
Everyone has different set of needs and preferences, don't waste your own or others time by convincing others or asking us to convince you.
Be yourself.
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I didn't insult anyone and I will not reply on this level. If there are others like speedygay you can leave your comments for yourself don't post at all. If no one is complaining then nothing is going to change.
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But youre the idiot whos come into the S3 section and done nothing but *****ed about it....your an idiot!!
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droidis said:
I didn't insult anyone and I will not reply on this level. If there are others like speedygay you can leave your comments for yourself don't post at all. If no one is complaining then nothing is going to change.
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Oh, look. You just insulted someone!
Report no. 5 in one day. One more and I'll break my own record.
Oh, and you did just reply..
Please, go spam Rootzwiki, or some other forum, but not this masterpiece..
You are answering with fanaticism just like the Iphone funs. I didn't post to argue with you. If you want you can keep your eyes closed and simply get what they give to you. I like android more as the other OS and I like Samsung phones more as the other phones. I think all the people behind the scenes, in the community or even at Samsung, can do better.
If there are no themes you like, and no roms you like... Instead of "complaining" Why don't you take the time to learn how to theme and customize a rom then you can customize it the way you want? Devs do this for free, you honestly have NO right to complain. Do you pay them? Are they your employees? No.. So you have no right to complain.
If you do not like what the community has to offer you can
1. Leave the community
2. Learn how to do things yourself and stop depending on other people to do things for you especially if you do not like anything that's offered...
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