AnandTech Prime Review - Part II - Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime

AnandTech Prime Review - Part II - Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime

AnandTech calls the Transformer Prime the "Best Android Tablet on the market"
ASUS Eee Pad Transformer Prime Review Part II: Battery Life & More
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5175/asus-transformer-prime-followup
ASUS Eee Pad Transformer Prime Review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jXRoO06aACQ

Yeah, found this really interesting when it was posted here yesterday. A lot of good information.

its easy to be the best when you're the only one running tegra 3....for now....
Its left to be seen how long it'll be "the best".

what's most interesting is that he explains that there was, in fact, a wifi problem. Explains what it was, and how ASUS fixed it temporarily.
I expect we might find in newer revs that the wifi has been placed behind a plastic disk in the back aluminum plate because a dual antenna solution doesn't appear to be a perfect fix.
I think it was a rush bandaid done on a huge mess of production tablets to meet preorders. I think they will have a newer solution once it starts shipping to Europe.

jptech said:
what's most interesting is that he explains that there was, in fact, a wifi problem. Explains what it was, and how ASUS fixed it temporarily.
I expect we might find in newer revs that the wifi has been placed behind a plastic disk in the back aluminum plate because a dual antenna solution doesn't appear to be a perfect fix.
I think it was a rush bandaid done on a huge mess of production tablets to meet preorders. I think they will have a newer solution once it starts shipping to Europe.
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I doubt it. When they got a unit with both antennas working they had perfectly fine wifi performance so I doubt they would make a design change when its working fine. Plus I think a plastic window would look pretty bad on that brushed aluminum backing.

I felt Anand's review was slightly biased towards Apple because he really likes the MBA.
Basically, he said it was better than a netbook, but not good enough to replace an ultrabook/MBA. IMHO, if it's better than a netbook, it's good enough for probably 90% of the users. The MBA isn't exactly what I would call a "real" laptop in any case.
As far as I can recall, no review sees the big picture of how having one device that replaces two (tablet+laptop) ultimately simplifies computing (and life). Oh well.

joe_dude said:
I felt Anand's review was slightly biased towards Apple because he really likes the MBA.
Basically, he said it was better than a netbook, but not good enough to replace an ultrabook/MBA. IMHO, if it's better than a netbook, it's good enough for probably 90% of the users. The MBA isn't exactly what I would call a "real" laptop in any case.
As far as I can recall, no review sees the big picture of how having one device that replaces two (tablet+laptop) ultimately simplifies computing (and life). Oh well.
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I think it's absolutely true that, for many people, a TF/Prime+dock won't replace a notebook. There's just not quite the right software yet, particularly in MS Office editing apps, and there are still some things that are just downright painful to do on an Android tablet (even with the dock).
That's not to knock the Prime+dock, because of course it's better for yet other things than notebooks. Incredibly long battery life, no heat (so can be used comfortably in more settings), etc. are real advantages.
Bottom line is that both devices have their place, which is why I'll have both.

joe_dude said:
I felt Anand's review was slightly biased towards Apple because he really likes the MBA.
Basically, he said it was better than a netbook, but not good enough to replace an ultrabook/MBA. IMHO, if it's better than a netbook, it's good enough for probably 90% of the users. The MBA isn't exactly what I would call a "real" laptop in any case.
As far as I can recall, no review sees the big picture of how having one device that replaces two (tablet+laptop) ultimately simplifies computing (and life). Oh well.
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Really? He recommended the Prime so I don't know about bias...
I mean he likes the MBA, yes. But, the air is a good product -- just because it's an Apple product, doesn't mean he is biased. (IMO the Air is a laptop) And he's right, the tablet with dock isn't very productive. (relative to more robust systems) I don't even recall if he said the Prime was better than a netbook -- because productivity-wise, it's not. He said it'll probably be okay for most users but he wouldn't go so far as to say that it was a "laptop replacement" or even a "netbook replacement".
In fact, I don't think he went far enough. This is not an ideal product to get work done. For real productivity, a computer OS is recommended. For tablet use (like quick emails and such) then yes, the prime is great. But, as I used my original tablet + dock, I came to realize that typing wasn't that great of an experience. The typing was slow on a lot of sites (the lag was very evident), it was missing spell check (that's pretty important for me), Google docs SUCKED on tablets, the keys were quite cramped (expected but still wasn't comfortable), excel/powerpoint editing was a pain, and Polaris was missing an auto save feature/spelling/grammar check.
I think some of these points are addressed in the Prime but I still think that if you are a person who uses office a lot (especially if you plan to do anything besides just word documents) then I'm not sure the dock is useful. In the end, I didn't even bother with the dock anymore since it was just an extra thing to carry around. I DLed a very cool thumb keyboard that proved extremely useful for typing on tablets. (I can't seem to remember the name and I sold my tablet + dock recently) It seemed faster to use the on screen keyboard than the dock in some instances.
I would also be wary about typing essays on this thing. I think they fixed most of the crashes but there isn't an auto save feature so I would be extremely annoyed if something happened to my work. (I had rare Polaris/Honeycomb crashes but they did happen) I want to think about what to type -- not worry about remembering to save every 5 minutes.
I actually think everyone sees this as a fusion of the laptop and tablet... but it's not. (and most of it is due to software issues) As a tablet, it was superb; but, as a laptop, it was extremely underwhelming.

I guess for me the idea that a small laptop (13-in and under) is "comfortable" doesn't make sense. Heck, I only find the 17-in ones to be good enough.
Not knocking (only) the MBA, but those laptop keyboards cannot compare to a regular desktop keyboard. And it's hard to manage many windows / data sources on a small laptop screen. On the desktop PC, I'm probably at least twice as efficient as on my laptop.
So, I think it's all relative. The Prime might not be great for long documents, but should be good enough, especially compared to the iPad.

strikethreeout said:
I actually think everyone sees this as a fusion of the laptop and tablet... but it's not. (and most of it is due to software issues) As a tablet, it was superb; but, as a laptop, it was extremely underwhelming.
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I think that the TF/Prime+dock is better as a notebook than a notebook is as a tablet. Not perfect, but it works in a pinch.
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He also was talking a lot about Honeycomb in the video review and at the end talked about seeing if it improves with ICS.
Was this tablet not meant to be a ICS launch tablet, if thats true then we cant really see how well it does until the ICS update is here.

wynand32 said:
I think that the TF/Prime+dock is better as a notebook than a notebook is as a tablet. Not perfect, but it works in a pinch.
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Let me see you recalculate a 5GB Excel spreadsheet on any tablet. Same thing for a 10GB PowerPoint with imbedded video. Tablets are OK as desktop replacements for light duty, but the heavy stuff chokes them both h/w and s/w wise. Also, when you create complicated documents in any of the fake-Office products they appear funky to people opening them in real-Office. So typically you have to do some clean-up on a desktop or laptop with anything you create on a tablet.

BarryH_GEG said:
Let me see you recalculate a 5GB Excel spreadsheet on any tablet. Same thing for a 10GB PowerPoint with imbedded video. Tablets are OK as desktop replacements for light duty, but the heavy stuff chokes them both h/w and s/w wise. Also, when you create complicated documents in any of the fake-Office products they appear funky to people opening them in real-Office. So typically you have to do some clean-up on a desktop or laptop with anything you create on a tablet.
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Methinks you're missing my point.
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Nekromantik said:
He also was talking a lot about Honeycomb in the video review and at the end talked about seeing if it improves with ICS.
Was this tablet not meant to be a ICS launch tablet, if thats true then we cant really see how well it does until the ICS update is here.
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Asus or any other manufacturer can use ICS on a product. The Zoom was the HC launch tablet but there aren't any official tablets for the launch of ICS. It's whoever gets there first. Samsung was the official launch partner for ICS in general with the Galaxy Nexus.
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Methinks you're missing my point.
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Must have... Other than the convenience of a touch screen, what can't you do on a laptop that you can do on an Android tablet?

BarryH_GEG said:
Must have... Other than the convenience of a touch screen, what can't you do on a laptop that you can do on an Android tablet?
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I think you nailed it on the head: convenience. A touch screen with 16 hours of convenience.
I mean what is the point of a laptop when a desktop has twice the power for half the money, with a larger screen and better ergonomics, and can do a heck of a lot more? Same difference.

BarryH_GEG said:
Asus or any other manufacturer can use ICS on a product. The Zoom was the HC launch tablet but there aren't any official tablets for the launch of ICS. It's whoever gets there first. Samsung was the official launch partner for ICS in general with the Galaxy Nexus.
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Must have... Other than the convenience of a touch screen, what can't you do on a laptop that you can do on an Android tablet?
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Android apps???

BarryH_GEG said:
Asus or any other manufacturer can use ICS on a product. The Zoom was the HC launch tablet but there aren't any official tablets for the launch of ICS. It's whoever gets there first. Samsung was the official launch partner for ICS in general with the Galaxy Nexus.
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Must have... Other than the convenience of a touch screen, what can't you do on a laptop that you can do on an Android tablet?
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Well, quite a few things, of course. Comfortably hold at an ergonomic distance for ebook reading and watching video. Use in settings where a notebook is untenable (e.g., lounging on the couch). And the touchscreen is more than just a "convenience." It affords an entirely different user interface paradigm that's better suited for a number of tasks (e.g., email triage, casual browsing, photo selection, etc.).
My point is that both types of devices have their uses, and comparing them is pretty meaningless. If a person can only afford one, then that person would need to really assess their needs before choosing one over the other. Saying a notebook is the better device is like saying a car is better than a motorcycle--which is only true if you evaluate the motorcycle by the standards of a car. Judged by the standards of a motorcycle, a car falls short.
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wynand32 said:
Well, quite a few things, of course...
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I finally got what you're saying and mostly agree. This thread-within-a-thread started with the limitations of a tablet for heavy duty computing which is true. I bought a tablet (in addition to a laptop) for all the reasons you listed. It's a fantastic consumption device. If someone owns both they can pick the one that suits what they're doing at the moment best. To pick only one is a personal choice depending on what it's going to be used for. I think a couple of us just wanted to, from experience, make sure others didn't think that tablet+keyboard+Teg3 is going to do all that a Windows or iOS laptop can do and as well. Anyone that's lost a couple of pages of work in a fake-Office product will attest to that.

Assuming you have access to a desktop machine somewhere, RDP/VNC is quite good at solving these heavyweight application needs - or the question of how to access an IE-only web interface on a tablet. It isn't perfect, and it won't solve all of the issues, but I can see it maybe making quite a difference to the way most of us use PCs.

This worries me: "Aluminum does a fairly good job of attenuating RF signals, which contributes to worse range on WiFi than the original plastic Eee Pad Transformer. WiFi performance at the edge of reception as well as the maximum usable WiFi range are both noticeably lower than its predecessor."
My current Transformer is barely registering my WiFi router when I'm in other room. I'll have to change the router or sth.

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MacBook Air for the Prime + keyboard ?

Curious what your opinion is on changing a 11in MacBook Air for a Prime with the keyboard ?
I have a Galaxy Note 5.3 and a 10.1 Galaxy Tab, and have been a fan of galaxy series for a while so apple is not really my thing. However the browsing experience on the Macbook is amazing. I have Opera Mobile and the Go Browser on the galaxy note and i like those, however chrome on the macbook is pretty fast and does a great job. Plus the nice screen and comfortable keyboard, this makes it for a nice browsing device.
To enlighten the topic, i'll mention that i have already placed an order today for the Prime and should get it by the end of this week. Just wanted to get a feeling on the anticipation and hear your input on my question.

I have the dock and the prime and i love it the battery life is great experice is an all round great device i use it for notes videos i just got shadowgun for it but the only thing that my laptop can do is play games alot better and thats about it i think your gonna enjoy it. im not an apple person myself either
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MEPEH said:
Curious what your opinion is on changing a 11in MacBook Air for a Prime with the keyboard ?
I have a Galaxy Note 5.3 and a 10.1 Galaxy Tab, and have been a fan of galaxy series for a while so apple is not really my thing. However the browsing experience on the Macbook is amazing. I have Opera Mobile and the Go Browser on the galaxy note and i like those, however chrome on the macbook is pretty fast and does a great job. Plus the nice screen and comfortable keyboard, this makes it for a nice browsing device.
To enlighten the topic, i'll mention that i have already placed an order today for the Prime and should get it by the end of this week. Just wanted to get a feeling on the anticipation and hear your input on my question.
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Alright, first of all, you're going to hear a TON of *****ing on here about the Prime and plenty of people telling you not to get it. I ordered mine from HHGregg when they were $399. I got it on the 16th of January. I got my dock about a week ago. I have had one SMALL issue and that is it. I filled entire homescreen with apps and transition to and from that page was skippy. I put everything into folders and moved things around until it wasn't skippy anymore and no more issues. I have an Evo 3D and my wife has an Evo 4G so GPS is not anywhere near an important feature to me. I could care less if they completely removed it tomorrow. My wifi is on par with the Evo 3D and Evo 4G. I have very slight light leakage, which I even have on my Evo 3D. I just don't care. A brand new product will have some small issues and I totally expect some small issues here and there.
I'm not saying that these people don't have issues, I just expected them. My launch day iPhone 4, Motorola Atrix, Evo 3D and my Prime received on the 16th have all had some sort of issue. It should be expected of a BRAND NEW product. If you get one and it has an issue that you can't live with, exchange it.
I absolutely love my Prime and wouldn't trade it for anything else on the market. I use it everyday docked and not docked. I have even shown people at my work who have never even had a smartphone and they are now thinking about buying a Prime with the dock. I have been streaming Pandora, playing games and web browsing since about 9:00am and it is now 10:30pm here, my dock is at 82% battery and my Prime is at 73% battery. I love it, I don't have to charge my phone all day at work anymore because I use this now.
I even just typed all of that from my dock. It took a little while for me to get used to the finger travel and trackpad sensitivity but it doesn't bother me at all now. I'm sure if you're coming from an Air that finger travel won't be too much different.
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Really appreciate your input. I don't care that much about GPS and WiFi is always within 1ft. I expect issues with it, but i also anticipate ICS will give a boost by the time i discover ALL the flaws.

MEPEH said:
Really appreciate your input. I don't care that much about GPS and WiFi is always within 1ft. I expect issues with it, but i also anticipate ICS will give a boost by the time i discover ALL the flaws.
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No problem. My wifi is always within ten feet or so, except at work and even then I don't notice any issues. ICS is nice. I like it a lot. I don't mind sense on my phone now that I have ICS on the prime. A lot of people said I wouldn't use the tablet as much because the OS is so similar to my phone but I find myself using my phone a ton less now.
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As an owner of both it, could be done but it will depend on what you use the MacBook air for. For browsing, checking the web, etc... the prime will replace the air fine. You will lose out on a lot of other features though. Polaris office is not a replacement for office for Mac, neither are any of the other office apps I have tried to date. Light editing is fine but try and do work on a moderately complex document and it shows its limits.
Audio work is also not going to be done on android either. Finally I find network access (mounting shares and such) is easier on there Mac.
On the other hand I have a number of small apps that make administration actually easier to do from the prime than the air. Opinions will vary and again a lot will depend on what you are using the Mac for.
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I use Mac OS X 10.7 and Windows 7 a lot. And we all know Android and iOS aren't that great for productivity.
What I did was downloaded Splashtop HD (the one we already have does not use the dock's trackpad correctly) and have my server running whatever OS I need (Hackintosh).
I get an awesome OS and with zero lag on my Prime but I get its portability and battery life too.
I did a lot of programming right on the Prime on Mac OS X and everything works great. I should mention that when I am at my campus, it is pretty laggy because of the slow wireless network there.

Here is my opinion-
First of all i have always been a windows owner but used plenty of macs when i was in high school.
But the the big difference is web browser as you said. On a mac/pc the web browsers work just how they should, no layout flaws and it seems a lot faster. This being said i do believe the android browsing community will start seeing a lot more tablet optimized websites, or just realizing you are using a tablet and not a phone and sending you directly to the mobile site(of course you can change the user agent).
If i had the choice, in my current situation i would ditch the macbook and get the atp. Sure the web browsing might not be right at the moment but the mouse prevents most inaccurate clicks. Also you can customize everything! This is not a knock on apple but thats just what I want-customization. The docks keyboard takes getting used to but that wasn't a big problem for me.
Not sure about apples battery life but i love my primes battery life.
My current stats are(with the dock):
Unplugged from wall:3 days 14 hours 12 mins
Prime(not charging from dock):11 hours 51 mins
Battery left: 12% dock 85% prime
I'd say this is with moderate usage brightness at in the middle. and i am rooted.
GO for the prime imo
Hope this helps
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lyon21 said:
Alright, first of all, you're going to hear a TON of *****ing on here about the Prime and plenty of people telling you not to get it. I ordered mine from HHGregg when they were $399. I got it on the 16th of January. I got my dock about a week ago. I have had one SMALL issue and that is it. I filled entire homescreen with apps and transition to and from that page was skippy. I put everything into folders and moved things around until it wasn't skippy anymore and no more issues. I have an Evo 3D and my wife has an Evo 4G so GPS is not anywhere near an important feature to me. I could care less if they completely removed it tomorrow. My wifi is on par with the Evo 3D and Evo 4G. I have very slight light leakage, which I even have on my Evo 3D. I just don't care. A brand new product will have some small issues and I totally expect some small issues here and there.
I'm not saying that these people don't have issues, I just expected them. My launch day iPhone 4, Motorola Atrix, Evo 3D and my Prime received on the 16th have all had some sort of issue. It should be expected of a BRAND NEW product. If you get one and it has an issue that you can't live with, exchange it.
I absolutely love my Prime and wouldn't trade it for anything else on the market. I use it everyday docked and not docked. I have even shown people at my work who have never even had a smartphone and they are now thinking about buying a Prime with the dock. I have been streaming Pandora, playing games and web browsing since about 9:00am and it is now 10:30pm here, my dock is at 82% battery and my Prime is at 73% battery. I love it, I don't have to charge my phone all day at work anymore because I use this now.
I even just typed all of that from my dock. It took a little while for me to get used to the finger travel and trackpad sensitivity but it doesn't bother me at all now. I'm sure if you're coming from an Air that finger travel won't be too much different.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using xda premium
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Aside from this fanboy post. I had about 2 primes. All had significant problems. Buyer beware

Pubnum said:
Aside from this fanboy post. I had about 2 primes. All had significant problems. Buyer beware
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What kind of problems? I really don't understand why so many people on this forum have faulty Prime's. Mine has no issues other than a faulty GPS but I don't care. My previous TF101 had a ton of issues but it seems quality control improved for the new one.
Where did you get yours and when?

I was actually deciding between the two recently and really it comes down to what you plan to use it for.
Really sit down and figure that out and the choice will be clear. For me, I have an old laptop that I use for word processing or excel and it's generally rather light.
So all I wanted was a portable machine that browses, does email, fun gaming, high battery life and video/audio out capability. That pretty much makes the prime the winner for me.
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I got the prime, loved it. It is sleek, fast, excellent quality. However, I ended up switching to a MacBook air 13"/4/128. For ~$400 more than the prime + dock, I get almost the same portability, worse battery life (5-7 hrs), but way more usefulness.
Even general 'entertainment' stuff, like watching streaming flash is better on the air since you can switch between programs and have the stream running in the background.
The one downside is that you can't use the air in tablet mode, so reading in bed is a no-go. Air + cheap tablet (playbook etc) might be a much more useful combo than just a prime. The prime is an excellent tablet, but a less than average laptop. Just prioritize your purchases based on this.

Buying new, I'd pick the Prime, probably even at the same price point. If I already had the Mac, I'd only upgrade if the battery life or tablet capability was.
For me, the battery life versus e.g. my Eee PC 1015, was.
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I just went whole-hog from an 11" MacBook Air to the prime plus dock in preparation for beginning graduate school later this month. Thoughts:
You notice the added weight because of the smaller physical size. That's *notice* not *suffer from*.
I plan on writing and reading with it. It has any one of a number of ways to write or take notes, and the kindle and google books apps are both loaded and ready. I have yet to see how many of my textbooks I can get through those options; either way, I'm pretty well covered, I think.
The complete lack of Java (not javascript, Java itself) in a browser is a downfall. I am going to deal with this by using RDP and my work computer, which is a windows machine, because it presents a better security system from out in the field. Splashtop is not encrypted at all, which probably means it'll run faster if I connect to my Mac while I'm at home, but I wouldn't expect it to be a good solution over two VPN connections (work computer to work server, work server to prime). Other browser-related issues come up every now and then, some of which you can get around by using the native browser's "request desktop site" option, but I had to go through native, firefox, dolphinHD, and finally Opera before I found a browser that would work with my university's trouble ticket system. That's almost 100% likely to be the university's fault for implementing a bad system, but whatever... I can't change that.
I am getting used to switching apps the android way and copy/paste in ice cream sandwich. It really isn't taking very long at all. Once I exchange my dock for one that's not bent, I think I'll be really happy with the point and click interface asus has come up with. I tried the gesture mode and it wasn't very intuitive, but I didn't try it for very long. I will say the only thing I really miss about pointing and gesturing is that I got used to the gestures for forward and back and expect them to work for everything on the tablet. Most of what I did with the MBA was web-based, so using forward/back gestures made a lot of sense. Now they're gone and I'm struggling a little to remember to use the keys.
Battery life is definitely a hell of a lot better than the Air. Mine had something like 140 battery cycles on it and was down to about 4 hours max, give or take, at minimum brightness. I definitely can get two nights of internet out of just the tablet itself, but with the keyboard dock, I think a whole day of library research isn't out of the question. The one thing I don't like is the length of the charger cabling and the seemingly frail construction of the sync plug.
I was initially worried about the sound output from the prime versus what I had in the MBA, and I can tell you the volume level I get is more than enough for what I watch, especially considering you can hold the tablet a lot closer to your head. The only problem I have is that if you rest it against stuff in horizontal mode, either your blanket and sheets will muffle the speaker a little bit or the power button will be pressed every once in a while. Minor problems, really.
I'm happy so far, just under a week into owning it!

I own both..
I own both and I would never be able to trade my MBA for TP.
Do not get me wrong. First of all I exclusively use Android phones and tablets and I am fairly anti-apple, but as much as I love my transformer prime, if it was my only computing option I think I would go nuts.
MBA is better for so many technical situations but the main thing that it crushes the TP in is web-browsing, ergonomics, backlit keyboard, multi tasking - I feel like I could make the list very long if I took the time.
The transformer prime excels in that it is Android which is cool and customizable, it has great battery life when docked, it plays games better (although I wish there were more available).
Essentially I love my TP but if I could only have one, I do not think you can replace a full fledged laptop with the TP yet.

Pubnum said:
Aside from this fanboy post. I had about 2 primes. All had significant problems. Buyer beware
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Ok, I don't know how this is a "fanboy" post but whatever. All I did was say that issues with launch devices are expected and stated my experiences but if you want to take that as a "Fanboy" post, that's cool. I consider a "fanboy" post, the ones that iPhone/iPad users post that say:
iPhone user) "My iPhone is the best phone in the world"
Android user) "Really, why do you say that?"
iPhone user) "Because it's an iPhone and has more apps plus wifis and I got the one with bigger GeeBees!"

lyon21 said:
Ok, I don't know how this is a "fanboy" post but whatever. All I did was say that issues with launch devices are expected and stated my experiences but if you want to take that as a "Fanboy" post, that's cool. I consider a "fanboy" post, the ones that iPhone/iPad users post that say:
iPhone user) "My iPhone is the best phone in the world"
Android user) "Really, why do you say that?"
iPhone user) "Because it's an iPhone and has more apps plus wifis and I got the one with bigger GeeBees!"
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I love my prime, but I must admit I do think that it merits some of the criticism it is getting. The last update vastly improved things for me, but I was 30 seconds away from returning it and I AM an android fanboy.

I got my prime a couple of days ago as much as i love it, its going to be returned because wifi is too weak. I will buy another one in hope it will be flawless but its annoying having to return it and wait again. Gps is also non existent but that isn't important to me.

Spurs027 said:
I got my prime a couple of days ago as much as i love it, its going to be returned because wifi is too weak. I will buy another one in hope it will be flawless but its annoying having to return it and wait again. Gps is also non existent but that isn't important to me.
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That's another good point. Although I find the Wifi as acceptable since latest update, the antenna still doesn't get near the speeds my MBA does.

restinbeast said:
Essentially I love my TP but if I could only have one, I do not think you can replace a full fledged laptop with the TP yet.
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Completely agree with the majority of posts on here.. TP isn't strong enough as a laptop replacement. But it's perfectly fine when used to complement another device.
The best productivity aspect of the TP is the battery life!
If you've got WiFi you can RDP/Splashtop/Citrix to another OS for the productivity software.
If you're without WiFi you can write notes in evernote, do some light editing, save stuff in dropbox, etc etc and have it all sync up later.
As long as you're able (and willing) to adjust your work flow to make the most of the tools at your disposal you'll be fine.

Its all about the numbers

This is my theory...
Kindle Fire sold one million units every week since December. Lets assume that Asus has ONLY sold one million TFP's.
Everyone, even fan-boys, will agree Asus has issues with TFP.
To do a total recall of the TFP's, at $30 a pop, would cost Asus $30 Million.
Based on the XDA polls, somewhere around 70% of the customer base is willing to live with whatever issues the TFP has.
Out of the remaining 30%, a certain portion will never be completely happy and have a bad taste in their mouth regardless of what happens. Not worth trying to satisfy everyone.
Dropping GPS from the specs is a beginning. WTF does "not a professional GPS device" mean anyway? I doubt anyone was planning on using the TFP to climb Mt Everest. Reality is you can't find a local pizza place or geo-code your photos/videos.
For the screen bleed issues, they can clamp down on QC. Which they have apparently done. There are still QC issues, but not like the early adopters had.
After dropping GPS, there remains BT/Wifi hardware issues. At least 70% of their customers will accept weak WiFi and BT issues. For the balance, offer lip-service and OTA firmware updates. Dedicate a person to do damage control, which is a pitance compared to a recall.
For the diehards, who didn't return the TFP and are very vocal, offer exchanges. Even if nothing is fixed. Its still far cheaper than doing a total recall.
Stop selling the defective tablet after supplier contracts run out, and sell the improved tablet.
Just a theory.

Nothing wrong with that. A good theory. Things are going to change for better with prime. Have a good feeling about it. Be ready for .14 update.

The percentage of owners that doesn't accept the FACT that Asus came out with a sub-standard product with little or no QC
This is because many people that didnt like it, just didn't keep it.
Fanboys need to understand that GPS is a promised feature, regardless of what it does. Hell , if they list a snow blower on the box, I should expect to a blow some snow.
Many people, myself included, use tablet navigation for road trips, where their "copilot" plans the route.
*Downplaying the issues just puts all TFP owners at a disadvantage.*
What would you do if the power company cut off power during the day, saying that daylight is enough for your needs, and telling you that it doesn't think you live in a mine?
Bad production and a response that is even worse, IS what keeps my tablet of choice, out of my hands. I'll remain with the iSheep for now

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I take issue with 2 of your points:
1st- The percentage of owners that doesn't accept the FACT that Asus came out with a sub-standard product with little or no QC
This is because many people that didnt like it, just didn't keep it.
2nd- GPS is a promised feature, regardless of what it does. Hell , if they list a snow blower on the box, I should expect to a blow some snow.
Many people, myself included, use tablet navigation for road trips, where their "copilot" planes the route.
*Downplaying the issues just puts you and other TFP owners at a disadvantage.*
What would you do if the power company cut off power during the day, saying that daylight is enough for your needs, and telling you that it doesn't think you live in a mine?
<points to your mountain climbing comment>
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There's one problem with your argument, the purpose of snow blower is to blow slow, but tablets aren't typically used for GPS. I understand that some people do it, but its a relatively small number of people. And let s say the GPS is completely dysfunctional, Asus still managed to stuff a quad core, 1gb ram, gorgeous display into a very thin case, to selling it for 100 dollars cheaper than the competition, including 35 million ipads wifi out there which doesn't even have the GPS chip.
You can say that they are too ambitious trying to integrate the GPS into a metal case device, a task even apple had to give up, but I doubt its ever their intention to include a questionable gps in the prime. So all I'm trying to say is, give they some credit. Obviously if GPS is very important for you, return the prime, and wait for something else.
Asus may have rushed the release of prime, but just think about what would've happened if they didn't : no second generation android tablets before the release the ipad3!!

And GPS is only working in special circumstances. Inhouse is not functional. I use the Quadcore + NinjaCore much more than i would ever use GPS. I watch much more Videos indoor than i'm using my prime outside of my apartment. I read more comics than ever since i have my Prime.
I really doubt that "many people" use their Prime for navigation. Even for this you can use your phone or a external gps device for the signal...

My Prime is RMA atm. Don't believe they will fix GPS but one can hope.
Pic of TF201 in my vehicle. Haven't figured out how to get Velcro to swivel so the passenger can see

i emailed asus saying that if they did not withdraw there threat to end my warenty for trying to fix the issues that can be fixed with custom roms then i would just return it over and over untill they sent me one without problems i suggest every person who own a tfp to do the same IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND WANT ASUS TO DO THE RIGHT THING THEN EMAIL THEM AND THREATEN TO START SENDING UR TRANSFORMER PRIME BACK OVER AND OVER UNTIL THEY GET IT RIGHT

For all of you non believers i got a replacement one without GPS listed on the box with the blue cleaning cloth.. It's c1okas161xxx the GPS even works indoors of course it is weak but it gets a lock indoors with slightly less signal then my evo 3d they appear to have fixed something!
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foxtrot16m said:
i emailed asus saying that if they did not withdraw there threat to end my warenty for trying to fix the issues that can be fixed with custom roms then i would just return it over and over untill they sent me one without problems i suggest every person who own a tfp to do the same IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND WANT ASUS TO DO THE RIGHT THING THEN EMAIL THEM AND THREATEN TO START SENDING UR TRANSFORMER PRIME BACK OVER AND OVER UNTIL THEY GET IT RIGHT
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Threatening them won't do anything. If you want to exchange just do it. Adding threats along with it does nothing.
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For all of you non believers i got a replacement one without GPS listed on the box with the blue cleaning cloth.. It's c1okas161xxx the GPS even works indoors of course it is weak but it gets a lock indoors with slightly less signal then my evo 3d they appear to have fixed something!
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I know you learned your lesson now on messing around with system/root files...lmfao. now you got a good one. Don't mess it up

I have never seen Amazon say how many Fire's they have sold.

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I have never seen Amazon say how many Fire's they have sold.
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Its an estimate.
http://www.isuppli.com/Display-Mate...e-Fourth-Quarter-Tablet-Market-Was-Apple.aspx

wirelessFREAK said:
The percentage of owners that doesn't accept the FACT that Asus came out with a sub-standard product with little or no QC
This is because many people that didnt like it, just didn't keep it.
Fanboys need to understand that GPS is a promised feature, regardless of what it does. Hell , if they list a snow blower on the box, I should expect to a blow some snow.
Many people, myself included, use tablet navigation for road trips, where their "copilot" plans the route.
*Downplaying the issues just puts all TFP owners at a disadvantage.*
What would you do if the power company cut off power during the day, saying that daylight is enough for your needs, and telling you that it doesn't think you live in a mine?
Bad production and a response that is even worse, IS what keeps my tablet of choice, out of my hands. I'll remain with the iSheep for now
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My device works fine, same for my brother, so I'm not sure about the substandard, as our TF prime met and exceeded some of our expecation.

demandarin said:
Threatening them won't do anything. If you want to exchange just do it. Adding threats along with it does nothing.
I know you learned your lesson now on messing around with system/root files...lmfao. now you got a good one. Don't mess it up
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Unfortunately its not a good one... Their is dust under the screen... And quite a few dead pixels... They should have taken it out of the plastic screen protector when they examined it... But anyways new one should be around the the week of the 27th
I am hoping it will be later so I can decide if I like something better at wmc
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Blue cloth, huh?
Wordlywisewiz said:
For all of you non believers i got a replacement one without GPS listed on the box with the blue cleaning cloth.. It's c1okas161xxx the GPS even works indoors of course it is weak but it gets a lock indoors with slightly less signal then my evo 3d they appear to have fixed something!
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Strange, all the early reviewer units and video unboxings had that blue cloth. Must have run out of black, LOL! Results are still mixed though, where GPS is concerned. I will be super happy if they ever get it to work, and I have really only that one deficiency/complaint. Mine is a replacement C1OKAS11x, so earlier than yours, but had no GPS at all at first, and still can only get views/occasional locks when outdoors only. Sigh.
What's with the revival of the BLUE CLOTH??? Does it mean BLUE CLOTH=GOOD GPS???
My only question is, is it double the size of the black; we had a post a week ago with the huge, oversized cleaning cloth of goodness, but he never said what the color was.
Let's all return our Primes and demand new ones with Blue Cloths... Start the Petitions, Gt the Facebook BLACK CLOTH HATE CAMPAIGN started! Okay. stopping now.

Same size as the black one...
I know for a fact the prime is made at different places as they have one company box and package the primes they are okas-tech.com they basically handle the whole manufacturing process which means they hire other people to assemble the prime... So maybe they are from different lines
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I figure I have only a few legitimate choices if I'm in the market for a new tablet today:
1. Buy an iPad 2, which has no GPS chip at all.
2. Buy one of the other popular Android-based (but limited) tablets, the Kindle Fire and Nook Color/Tablet, neither of which have GPS chips.
3. Buy a Tegra 2 or other last-gen Android tablet with likely fully functional GPS.
4. Buy the Prime.
#1 isn't an option for me because I simply don't want to buy an Apple product. #2 isn't an option for me because I don't want such a generally limited device. I already have a TF101, so if I were satisfied with #3 I wouldn't have to do a thing. That leaves #4.
Note that my decision here is NOT influenced by the quality (or existence) of a device's GPS functionality. If I were looking to use a tablet as a navigation device, I'd just stick with my TF101. Thing is, I never used GPS on my TF101--not a single time. It was turned off pretty much from day 1.
This is why I think the GPS thing has been way overblown. It's hard to argue that GPS on a 10" tablet is important to the market when the two dominant products--the iPad 2 and the Kindle Fire--don't have GPS chips at all. Clearly, most people don't care about it. I don't see why anyone should assume that the majority of Android tablet purchasers would be different.
As far as wifi and wifi/BT goes, either wifi works for a person or it doesn't. Worrying about how strong wifi is and what range it has is entirely theoretical UNTIL one runs into a situation where it doesn't work. I have a feeling that the vast majority of people who buy a Prime will never run into that theoretical limit and will be perfectly happy with theirs. And when I say "perfectly happy," I mean exactly that--as long as a person doesn't run into that situation where wifi isn't strong enough to function, then they'll be oblivious to any wifi limitations.
Finally, I'm pretty convinced that the wifi/BT thing isn't at all unique to the Prime. I can't surf the Web while streaming music to my Bluetooth headphones on my Epic 4G Touch any better than I can on the Prime. My TF101 is only marginally better at it. So, that doesn't matter to me either.
I suppose this entire post is aimed at people who insist on telling those who are happy with their Primes that they're either lying to themselves, ignorant, or pure fanboys. The other explanation is that they find the positives of the Prime--excellent performance, great size/weight, super-bright screen--to outweigh the negatives that for many people are only theoretical anyways.
All I know is that I can use my Prime outside under the SoCal sun. My TF101 sure can't do that, and I believe no other tablet currently on the market can. So, for me, the GPS that I never used on my TF101 and the under-performing wifi that works perfectly for my needs just don't outweigh what is the most important use-case for me.

wynand32 said:
I figure I have only a few legitimate choices if I'm in the market for a new tablet today:
1. Buy an iPad 2, which has no GPS chip at all.
2. Buy one of the other popular Android-based (but limited) tablets, the Kindle Fire and Nook Color/Tablet, neither of which have GPS chips.
3. Buy a Tegra 2 or other last-gen Android tablet with likely fully functional GPS.
4. Buy the Prime.
#1 isn't an option for me because I simply don't want to buy an Apple product. #2 isn't an option for me because I don't want such a generally limited device. I already have a TF101, so if I were satisfied with #3 I wouldn't have to do a thing. That leaves #4.
Note that my decision here is NOT influenced by the quality (or existence) of a device's GPS functionality. If I were looking to use a tablet as a navigation device, I'd just stick with my TF101. Thing is, I never used GPS on my TF101--not a single time. It was turned off pretty much from day 1.
This is why I think the GPS thing has been way overblown. It's hard to argue that GPS on a 10" tablet is important to the market when the two dominant products--the iPad 2 and the Kindle Fire--don't have GPS chips at all. Clearly, most people don't care about it. I don't see why anyone should assume that the majority of Android tablet purchasers would be different.
As far as wifi and wifi/BT goes, either wifi works for a person or it doesn't. Worrying about how strong wifi is and what range it has is entirely theoretical UNTIL one runs into a situation where it doesn't work. I have a feeling that the vast majority of people who buy a Prime will never run into that theoretical limit and will be perfectly happy with theirs. And when I say "perfectly happy," I mean exactly that--as long as a person doesn't run into that situation where wifi isn't strong enough to function, then they'll be oblivious to any wifi limitations.
Finally, I'm pretty convinced that the wifi/BT thing isn't at all unique to the Prime. I can't surf the Web while streaming music to my Bluetooth headphones on my Epic 4G Touch any better than I can on the Prime. My TF101 is only marginally better at it. So, that doesn't matter to me either.
I suppose this entire post is aimed at people who insist on telling those who are happy with their Primes that they're either lying to themselves, ignorant, or pure fanboys. The other explanation is that they find the positives of the Prime--excellent performance, great size/weight, super-bright screen--to outweigh the negatives that for many people are only theoretical anyways.
All I know is that I can use my Prime outside under the SoCal sun. My TF101 sure can't do that, and I believe no other tablet currently on the market can. So, for me, the GPS that I never used on my TF101 and the under-performing wifi that works perfectly for my needs just don't outweigh what is the most important use-case for me.
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acidus. said:
Kindle Fire sold one million units every week since December. Lets assume that Asus has ONLY sold one million TFP's.
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Asus' exposure is far less than "1MM." They sold next to none is December as their tablet sales were down 24% in Q4. In an interview, Jonney Shih said he hopes to "sell 1MM Prime's." So with initial demand of any new device being high, at most I'd guess they've sold (not built) about 200-250K.

I have to say, i really dont mind if the TFP doesnt get all too popular^^ All the people I know and showed the prime to are totally blown away by it. I also heard one that said its very similar to the ipad but looks just a bit more "noble".
So i really dont mind if this sexy thing is staying something special. I usually dont care about what the masses think "what's best because i have some very distinct demands to an IT device and the prime is just doing all i need. For example a retina display with insanly high resolution? I dont need that at all. Without glasses on i probably dont even see the difference But the ability to write this post with an full keyboard? The ability to play psx emulator with a real gamepad? And so on and on
So i'm gonna have the perfect device for my needs, and its even gonna stay something very special. I mean everyone has mobile apple devices now, they're as mainstream as it gets...
All i hope for now is some custom development going on when the bootloader gets unlocked and i will be in IT heaven
cheers mates. Hope this wasnt completely off topic

Microsoft Surface - Tablet with keyboard in magnetic "cover"

I think this is iPad and Transformer Prime killer....tablet with ultra light removable keyboard builded in stk like "smart cover".
http://www.youtube.com/user/surface?feature=results_main
It includes 2x USB ports natively not sure how they squeezed those but Bravo Microsoft. There is Zero use for an iPad at this point and its expensive add-ons, its dead.
Windows RT model: 676 g, 9.3 mm, 10.6" ClearType HD Display, 31.5 W-h, microSD, USB 2.0, Micro HD Video, 2x2 MIMO antennae, 32 GB or 64 GB.
Windows 8 Pro: 903 g, 13.5 mm, 10.6" ClearType Full HD Display, 42 W-h, microSDXC, USB 3.0, Mini DisplayPort Video, 2x2 MIMO antennae, 64 GB or 128 GB.
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Wow amazing commercial, don't know if its a killer but still, fantastic advertising
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I don't know if it will kill the ipad, I hope it will bring serious competition to it tho.
I've been using 8, and I absolutely dig it. I think software wise the pieces are falling into place for windows 8 to be more of a success than people expect. With the tie in with all the content options you will have that MS provides with XBOX. The thing that they are bringing to the table that android hasn't is content.
Let me clarify we do have play but compared to what itunes offers, android lacks. Android tab makers don't seem to see past initial purchase, they seem to just want to sell you another tablet. If there were more content available then android tabs would be continuous streams of revenue.
As far as killing the prime, and as much as I love my Prime I think it kinna "fell on the sword" right after release.

The Microsoft hardware looks brilliant. I have been thoroughly disappointed with Microsoft's mobile offerings to-date. They just never seemed to "get it". I would love it if they finally got it right, but I am skeptical.

The hardware looks amazing. I'm not sold on Windows yet, I just wish there was an Android tablet that had hardware with as much quality and thought put into it as the iPad and seemingly the Surface.

The only reason why i bought prime (first tablet) was to tide over 2012, and wait for win8 tablets to become more affordable.
now that Microsoft is in the game gives me goose bumps...
i will not repeat the mistake i made with prime... will wait for the dust to settle in.
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I look forward to replacing my Prime with the Pro model of the Surface tablet.

Anybody know who's "making" it for them? Hope it's not Asus

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Anybody know who's "making" it for them? Hope it's not Asus
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Nokia?
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That looks pretty cool.. As a few people have said, MS have never really got the mobile bit right.. But we will see!

Cool commercial... Dunno about ipad/prime killer. The magnetic cover looks cool, but I wonder how it will type/sit on your lap for example.
Also, we'll first have to wait for it to actually be available and who knows what kind of other tablets will be out by then.

It's not going to kill anything, maybe apart from MS. (allthough I highly doubt that too).
Unless MS changes their licensing deal, OEMs have to pay too much for win8 making this tablet way too expensive.
Regular customers will not buy it at 400 euro's or more. The even more expensive one, with the ivy bridge chip might hit it big in the corporate section, but I doubt the "big bucks" are made there, in terms of repeating customers and sales of for instance software due too an hugh marketshare.
Maybe in a year or two, when win8 has more marketshare and more people know about the product it might make an impact, but not this specific tablet. (allthough it does look nice). But then again, what do we really know of these tablets? What is the batterylife in real life, what wil be the prices?

wwr8bz said:
Wow amazing commercial, don't know if its a killer but still, fantastic advertising
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When the Prime was announced, we all said it was a Killer!
The only ones who got killed were the customers and ASUS reputation as quality brand.
Chill out with expectations, when has MS released a product, that was a killer?

Well, They are talking price range on the good one of about $1,000. So it will be going head to head with ultrabooks. So for twice the price a year from now it had best be better!

The last time I saw a keyboard like this was on ZX81.

stinky73 said:
Anybody know who's "making" it for them? Hope it's not Asus
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Let's hope not. I think it was a terrible mistake on Google's part to partner with Asus on the Nexus tablet.
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I honestly think that the Surface (and other Windows 8 tablets) will be an Android Tablet killer. MS will probably never make the inroad they need in the phone market, but they have a golden opportunity in tablets. Just think of the myriad of MS fans that have picked up an Android product (like the TFP) just because it is not an iPad. It could, in turn lead to Windows 8 phone sales increases, though, if the Surface (and other Windows 8 tabs) are a success.
I speak from experience as I have purchased now 5 Android tablets searching for the "one". Let me tell you, I haven't found it (though, I have to say the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 is as close as I have gotten thus far).
We also know that MS, like Google, has a road map that is paved with mis-steps (like the Zune - though my Zune 80GB is my favorite MP3) so yes, they still have time to screw this all up!
More and more manufacturers are going to make products like the TFP that actually work - I guess you can say that they will learn from Asus' mistakes.
Exciting tech times we live in! I am not a fanboi of any one OS or manufacturer, so really exciting for me!

rcatron said:
I honestly think that the Surface (and other Windows 8 tablets) will be an Android Tablet killer. MS will probably never make the inroad they need in the phone market, but they have a golden opportunity in tablets.
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The problem is that the boundary between them will blur a lot. It's not clear that tablets by themselves will be a sustainable market. I rather suspect that what will eventually happen is that you'll carry around a core that acts as a phone, but plug it into 'docks' that add things like larger screens, input like keyboards, and so forth. (And, if wireless keeps moving along, maybe not even 'plug in'.)
I will say that I've been a Linux partisan for a while, but I do give MS credit for making solid hardware. There's a reason their mice and keyboards are still popular. From a hardware perspective, this new tablet does look solid and well-thought-out. (Including an actual kickstand? Why isn't that standard on tablets?) I don't have enough experience with Windows 8 to say if the software will really work. The problem is, Microsoft has a history of trouble sealing the deal. (Anyone remember the Zune?)
And I have to say that I'm not as down on the TF201 as some here. My wife surprised me with one (fifteenth anniversary and all), and I've been enjoying it. No, it is not a complete laptop replacement. But - aside from slow and quirky file management - it's been working well for me, and the battery life is delicious.
Maybe a few years down the road I'll buy whatever the 3rd-generation Microsoft tablet is. But for now the advantages aren't enough to make me switch from the TF201.

What I'm expecting:
- Terrible battery life on Pro
- Very high price

rcatron said:
Let's hope not. I think it was a terrible mistake on Google's part to partner with Asus on the Nexus tablet.
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I've been thinking about this as well. I really think that choice may come back to bite Google in the ass.
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stinky73 said:
Anybody know who's "making" it for them? Hope it's not Asus
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according to zdnet, MS is going the Apple route and making it themselves....
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/with-surface-tablet-microsoft-breaks-tradition/12957

How Bad are these Bugs? Should I steer Clear?

Hey guys,
I own a sensation with stock JB and LOVE android and google's interface to death. I need a laptop for school to take notes and the transformer fits the bill. I keep reading about the wifi bug and am wondering how bad it is? Is it just some devices or all, will I have trouble connecting to networks like a busy library or somewhere weak/loaded with users. I dont really care about GPS, I have my phone with a data plan for that. I was thinking of the tf300 but am worried about breaking the glass and I get the feeling it is fragile as it is not gorilla glass. The infinity is a little out of price range although I am considering trying to buy a used prime from futureshop with extended warranty(owned by bestbuy) and return it and hope for the prime

I dont know about custom roms but Get the Prime only if you're satisfied with casual gaming or browsing, using the prime for school work is just like placing yourself at the edge of a cliff, you'll never know when it'll crash, screen glitch or have a random reboot. File transfers rate using a thumbdrive is dirt slow. The best advice is to wait for the jellybean release and to examine the results and make a decision from there

I love my prime its my 6th but I've finally got a good one. If u get one check the screen very carefully...
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People who use a custom rom with some tweaks are very happy with it. I use stock and wait for JB. If that does not fix things - I will just install a custom ROM.

Rooted user with ATPTweak and Browser2RAM here. I am very satisfied with my device, using it for college classes and it didn't fail me once. It is great to take notes in SuperNote. Combine that with a camera that is actually good enough to "screenshot" the board from afar and you've got yourself the perfect educational device.
I don't have any of the issues described by other users, except for the occasional ANR when updating apps and using the tablet at the same time.

Very Happy
I bought a second hand one from Craigslist that came with the keyboard. I could not be more satisfied. I know the GPS does not work but I have never needed it. It may reset itself or have an ANR a few times a week, but I game, surf, watch videos all on stock with no problems. I constantly put new ROM's on my phones, so I am sure it could do it on the Prime, but I have never had the need. As to the wireless, it is a little weaker to pick up than say my HTC Sensation, but not so much that it is a problem. My daughter has the Nexus 7 with JB and I think the Prime will only get better with JB.

DeKubus said:
Rooted user with ATPTweak and Browser2RAM here. I am very satisfied with my device, using it for college classes and it didn't fail me once. It is great to take notes in SuperNote. Combine that with a camera that is actually good enough to "screenshot" the board from afar and you've got yourself the perfect educational device.
I don't have any of the issues described by other users, except for the occasional ANR when updating apps and using the tablet at the same time.
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Exact same situation here. I'm not sure that I would still buy it at the same full price today, seeing how close in specs the Nexus 7 is, but it's still a really nice device.
Put reddit.com/r/aaw on the screen and it's also a chick magnet.

waltthizzney said:
Hey guys,
I own a sensation with stock JB and LOVE android and google's interface to death. I need a laptop for school to take notes and the transformer fits the bill. I keep reading about the wifi bug and am wondering how bad it is? Is it just some devices or all, will I have trouble connecting to networks like a busy library or somewhere weak/loaded with users. I dont really care about GPS, I have my phone with a data plan for that. I was thinking of the tf300 but am worried about breaking the glass and I get the feeling it is fragile as it is not gorilla glass. The infinity is a little out of price range although I am considering trying to buy a used prime from futureshop with extended warranty(owned by bestbuy) and return it and hope for the prime
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As for your original question there is no WiFi bug. On many primes there is a physical manufacturing issue where they did not get proper contact between the antennas that are on the glass side of the device and the ground points with the backplate. Is causes the signals to attenuate at fairly short distance from the router. Don't buy it if they don't let you test it against another tablet unless you plan on opening it up and fixing the issue.
As for what everybody else says, yes stock software is buggy and annoyingly unstable. Jelly bean seems to fix most of what ails the prime. Again I wouldn't buy one unless you plan on voiding the warranty and unlocking for a custom ROM.
Your last sentence bothers me about getting the prime cheap and trying to exchange for what I assume you meant to say was an infinity. Why not just switch the price tags in the store or even easier, steal one?

Its the keyboard
waltthizzney said:
Hey guys,
I own a sensation with stock JB and LOVE android and google's interface to death. I need a laptop for school to take notes and the transformer fits the bill. ....
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One thing I didn't see anyone mention is the keyboard dock and how its (to my knowledge) unique among Android tablets. The keyboard dock has a usb port that works with everything I've thrown at it including flash drives, track balls, external hard drives, mice, usb card readers, and a usb wired Ethernet adapter. I can also use multiple usb devices at the same time using a small usb hub. About the only issue I've had is if I try to use the wired Ethernet and the external hard drive at the same time. Both work individually and also when used together with a mouse, but I'm guessing they draw too much juice to use at the same time - but that's hardly a limitation. As far as usefulness for school work/note taking etc, I would think the dock and its capabilities offers a huge advantage
As far as buggy software, many or most of the complaints I see seem to revolve around the built in browser - which I have basically never used anyway. I use Chrome and Dolphin and don't have any problems.
My WiFi also works more than adequately. I don't get as good a speed as I do with my Dell laptop but I get better WiFi speed than I do with my Droid 3 phone. So it falls in the midrange of my devices. At work, my office is on the other side of the building from the wifi router with an elevator shaft and a bank of metal file cabinets between me and the router. No device gets a very good signal at my desk. But even in that worst case environment, my prime gets a good enough signal to get my email and do light web surfing - which is as good as any device can do in that location. Its not a problem at home at all. It's not a speed demon by any means but I'm not trying to download huge files with it either (as some have said they do). Since I have a variety of devices available including a desktop and a laptop, I'm not sure why I would choose to do things like that using a tablet anyway. For a big download I'd probably do it on my desktop while I do other things with the tablet. Also, I'm guessing you probably don't need to be doing bit torrents and take notes in a class both at the same time?
Which brings up the question of weather its going to be your only device? If you have a regular computer (either laptop or desktop) I would not worry. IMO there are some tasks that tablets are just not well suited to and I don't see how a student could get away with any tablet as their only computer anyway.
All that said, here are a couple of points:
1. buying it specifically for the purpose of returning it is reprehensible. Don't do it. This sort of behavior is part of the reason electronics are as expensive as they are for everyone else.
2. Given that the Transformer Infinity is out and offers all the same advantages as the Prime, the only reason to go with a prime now is if the price is really, really good. I would say that to be reasonable, a used prime would definitely have to cost less than a new TF300 - since the new TF300 would have a full warranty. Unfortunately Amazon has $324 as the cheapest used prime while I would say no more than about $250 would be a good price for a used one (not including keyboard)
3. You could consider a TF300 which once again offers the keyboard dock with all its advantages for around $300 not including the keyboard.

ratman6161 said:
One thing I didn't see anyone mention is the keyboard dock and how its (to my knowledge) unique among Android tablets. The keyboard dock has a usb port that works with everything I've thrown at it including flash drives, track balls, external hard drives, mice, usb card readers, and a usb wired Ethernet adapter. I can also use multiple usb devices at the same time using a small usb hub. About the only issue I've had is if I try to use the wired Ethernet and the external hard drive at the same time. Both work individually and also when used together with a mouse, but I'm guessing they draw too much juice to use at the same time - but that's hardly a limitation. As far as usefulness for school work/note taking etc, I would think the dock and its capabilities offers a huge advantage
As far as buggy software, many or most of the complaints I see seem to revolve around the built in browser - which I have basically never used anyway. I use Chrome and Dolphin and don't have any problems.
My WiFi also works more than adequately. I don't get as good a speed as I do with my Dell laptop but I get better WiFi speed than I do with my Droid 3 phone. So it falls in the midrange of my devices. At work, my office is on the other side of the building from the wifi router with an elevator shaft and a bank of metal file cabinets between me and the router. No device gets a very good signal at my desk. But even in that worst case environment, my prime gets a good enough signal to get my email and do light web surfing - which is as good as any device can do in that location. Its not a problem at home at all. It's not a speed demon by any means but I'm not trying to download huge files with it either (as some have said they do). Since I have a variety of devices available including a desktop and a laptop, I'm not sure why I would choose to do things like that using a tablet anyway. For a big download I'd probably do it on my desktop while I do other things with the tablet. Also, I'm guessing you probably don't need to be doing bit torrents and take notes in a class both at the same time?
Which brings up the question of weather its going to be your only device? If you have a regular computer (either laptop or desktop) I would not worry. IMO there are some tasks that tablets are just not well suited to and I don't see how a student could get away with any tablet as their only computer anyway.
All that said, here are a couple of points:
1. buying it specifically for the purpose of returning it is reprehensible. Don't do it. This sort of behavior is part of the reason electronics are as expensive as they are for everyone else.
2. Given that the Transformer Infinity is out and offers all the same advantages as the Prime, the only reason to go with a prime now is if the price is really, really good. I would say that to be reasonable, a used prime would definitely have to cost less than a new TF300 - since the new TF300 would have a full warranty. Unfortunately Amazon has $324 as the cheapest used prime while I would say no more than about $250 would be a good price for a used one (not including keyboard)
3. You could consider a TF300 which once again offers the keyboard dock with all its advantages for around $300 not including the keyboard.
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thanks guys..... Why I am buying it is because I want something to take notes on at school in class and when reading chapters in books. I use to have a macbook pro that got destroyed taking it to school on my bike everyday, now I own a Levano Y580... (beast of a laptop btw for a great price) but do not want to lug it around and want to just keep it at home. my last two questions are with note taking apps like the one mentioned, Can you save these notes as DOCS then open them on your windows pc in word? also can you use google docs offline like you can on windows on your prime?

also what are the common issues I should inspect in regards to hardware issues?

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thanks guys..... Why I am buying it is because I want something to take notes on at school in class and when reading chapters in books. I use to have a macbook pro that got destroyed taking it to school on my bike everyday, now I own a Levano Y580... (beast of a laptop btw for a great price) but do not want to lug it around and want to just keep it at home. my last two questions are with note taking apps like the one mentioned, Can you save these notes as DOCS then open them on your windows pc in word? also can you use google docs offline like you can on windows on your prime?
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Well, that's getting to more a matter of what software you want to use and how you want to take your notes. Handwriting recognition does not work for me...not on the prime and not on anything else I've tried. Even things that work for others don't work for me. My handwriting is so terrible that it just doesn't work. So I can't speak to that. And I absolutely despise on-screen keyboards as well for anything other than web surfing etc. So the keyboard dock is the biggest reason I chose the prime in the first place...though what works for you is for you to decide.
As to typing notes (which I assume is OK with you since you said you used to do this on a laptop) there are a number of options. You mentioned knowing Android well so I will leave it to you to pick apps that do the job for you. As far as what is on the machine as it comes out of the box, there is Super Note which I don't particularly like. There is also Polaris Office which handles Microsoft Office documents quite well in my opinion). Any 10 inch screen is not going to be that great (once again for me) to do detailed editing, but matched with the keyboard dock it works great for typing notes to be saved as Word docs and transferred to the PC later. However I mostly use Polaris office for reading documents others have sent me.
What I actually use for notes most of the time is Ever Note so that my notes get auto synced to my desktop PC. These can be easily copied and pasted to Word Documents if I wanted to though I rarely actually do that.
As far as Google Docs, I don't really use them but I don't think you can get at them off line (i.e. with no internet connection)
As far as carrying it around every day, well, the tablet can get broken too. So if your Mac Book got "destroyed" then I'm not sure a tablet will fare much better...a lot of it is made of glass after all. But if you are set on a tablet, I don't think the Prime is any more fragile than any other.
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That's a question that will typically generate a flame war on this forum between the people who have had problems and those who have not. I'm one of the ones who hasn't had any problems getting it to do the things I want it to do.
But I'll leave it to you to browse the forums and decide for yourself.

ratman6161 said:
Well, that's getting to more a matter of what software you want to use and how you want to take your notes. Handwriting recognition does not work for me...not on the prime and not on anything else I've tried. Even things that work for others don't work for me. My handwriting is so terrible that it just doesn't work. So I can't speak to that. And I absolutely despise on-screen keyboards as well for anything other than web surfing etc. So the keyboard dock is the biggest reason I chose the prime in the first place...though what works for you is for you to decide.
As to typing notes (which I assume is OK with you since you said you used to do this on a laptop) there are a number of options. You mentioned knowing Android well so I will leave it to you to pick apps that do the job for you. As far as what is on the machine as it comes out of the box, there is Super Note which I don't particularly like. There is also Polaris Office which handles Microsoft Office documents quite well in my opinion). Any 10 inch screen is not going to be that great (once again for me) to do detailed editing, but matched with the keyboard dock it works great for typing notes to be saved as Word docs and transferred to the PC later. However I mostly use Polaris office for reading documents others have sent me.
What I actually use for notes most of the time is Ever Note so that my notes get auto synced to my desktop PC. These can be easily copied and pasted to Word Documents if I wanted to though I rarely actually do that.
As far as Google Docs, I don't really use them but I don't think you can get at them off line (i.e. with no internet connection)
As far as carrying it around every day, well, the tablet can get broken too. So if your Mac Book got "destroyed" then I'm not sure a tablet will fare much better...a lot of it is made of glass after all. But if you are set on a tablet, I don't think the Prime is any more fragile than any other.
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That's a question that will typically generate a flame war on this forum between the people who have had problems and those who have not. I'm one of the ones who hasn't had any problems getting it to do the things I want it to do.
But I'll leave it to you to browse the forums and decide for yourself.
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thanks for the reply...... Trying to decide between the tf201 which has a nicer screen vs the tf300 which has most bugs fixed and will not get as scratched!

I just got a new Prime on ebay for $300. Did I pay too much considering some of the problems I've been reading about?

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I just got a new Prime on ebay for $300. Did I pay too much considering some of the problems I've been reading about?
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just think you got it $200 cheaper than most of us and if you dont care about warranty all can be fixed or worked around other than (as far as i know) bt/wifi dropout http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1443868&highlight=dropout.

I just got my Prime 201. I tried to upgrade from 3.2.1 and it shows no updates available. The build number is HTk75.us_epad-8.8.3.33-20111223.

kosenn said:
I just got my Prime 201. I tried to upgrade from 3.2.1 and it shows no updates available. The build number is HTk75.us_epad-8.8.3.33-20111223.
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so go to asus and download one if its available. they have instructions there too. This is of course not in the least bit applicable to the thread you have posted in. (OMG listen to me, I have become my father)

[Q] Nexus 10 vs Ipad 4 vs Asus Transformer Infinity?

I'm getting my first tablet but am at a loss how to decide? On the one hand, all critics (Cnet, PcMag, Wired, Engadget, Laptop magazine, ect...) seem to universally agree the Ipad-4 is best hands-down, no question in terms of overall quality as a tablet. Then I compared the Asus with the other 2, and was almost certain I preferred the Asus- some critics even preferred it over the Nexus 10 and expandable memory is HUGE (HD movies on 16 or even 32gb non-memory expandable device is unacceptable in this day and age). Or so it seemed. Though critics like the Asus I've read so many user-reviews about screen-bleeding and a sluggish OS, in spite of its quad-core processor Asus almost seems scary in light of the endless complaints. Now it's back down to Nexus10 vs Ipad and Ipad still seems to be better for gaming with its GPU, its app marketplace is also phenomenal.Thoughts?

Jujubeanz said:
I'm getting my first tablet but am at a loss how to decide? On the one hand, all critics (Cnet, PcMag, Wired, Engadget, Laptop magazine, ect...) seem to universally agree the Ipad-4 is best hands-down, no question in terms of overall quality as a tablet. Then I compared the Asus with the other 2, and was almost certain I preferred the Asus- some critics even preferred it over the Nexus 10 and expandable memory is HUGE (HD movies on 16 or even 32gb non-memory expandable device is unacceptable in this day and age). Or so it seemed. Though critics like the Asus I've read so many user-reviews about screen-bleeding and a sluggish OS, in spite of its quad-core processor Asus almost seems scary in light of the endless complaints. Now it's back down to Nexus10 vs Ipad and Ipad still seems to be better for gaming with its GPU, its app marketplace is also phenomenal.Thoughts?
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You can't go wrong with the nexus 10. It has by far the fastest cpu of the bunch and its storage is lightning fast. More than 5 times faster than the asus. Over 100MB/s read speed. Not to mention its a nexus device and will be updated for years to come.

I think it comes down to your preference. Do you want to be tied to Apple's ecosystem? Are you okay with waiting on jailbreaks to iOS to get root?
I have the nexus 10 and love it. I used to have an iPhone and hated I could not customize it. My cousin had an ipad3 but I prefer the nexus 10.
I bought my mom a tf300 and it is a good tablet if you install the custom checkrom ROM.
In the future I plan to get an otg cable for external SD card option. I have a 16gb nexus 10 and it suits me well.
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I was in the same situation as you about one week ago. I sold my Asus Transformer Prime (TF201) a few days before XMas anticipating purchasing the Infinity.
I ended up with a Nexus 10 and couldn't be happier.
For me it came down to having to unlock the bootloader in order to ROM/Kernal the tablet; without having a way to relock it back. The expandable storage was the biggest plus for me, along with the keyboard dock I would have bought to go along with it. But having to void my warranty just to get a somewhat smooth $500 tablet didn't make me too happy. Now, once unlocked and running Paranoidandroid/CM10 on probably KTs kernal it's a whole new beast.
The Nexus 10 was smooth right of the box, and even better once unlocked and running PA2.99/KTManta kernal. It absolutely flies. It looks better than expected, has better sound than expected, and hasn't had a hiccup yet. Now, no expandable memory just means I'm going to be using my OTG cable + external 2tb hd's a lot more, but not a big deal to me. I also got my Nexus from Walmart, the postercompany of being able to return/exchange anything, so that made my decision quite a bit easier as well.
The Infinity is plagued with I/O problems along with a whole slew of other hiccups that leave a bad taste in your mouth. As much I had anticipated gett the Infinity for the last couple of months, I haven't had a second thought about it since I've had the N10 in my hand.

Depends on what you are looking to do with it. If you are a student/ business oriented and need media consumption as well, the infinity if by far the best. Great form factor, keyboard with battery, really fast since the updates and overall great support from asus. Just take a look around these boards and you will see the N10 also has its problem. Poor battery, no external storage, sluggishness during browsing, lag during gaming and media playback, very poor support from samsung and google in terms of warranty support (look at all the articles popping up about Samsung basically ignoring the N10). If you look at the comparison sites most of them that ACTUALLY compare the two say that the infinity is much better. Good luck to ya man!
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk HD

If you play HD games, get the iPad 4, you cant go wrong with that

NeoMagus said:
Keep kidding yourself! Funny how you are in our forums trying to reassure your purchase. The Keyboard attachment accessory is the only thing going for the Transformer series, too bad most of us would just rather use swype or Android 4.2's default keyboard. Infinity will never get updates faster than the Nexus line (did you even get 4.2 officially yet?), thats just fact, "Poor Battery" and sluggishness/lag is more often than not- User error. None of those issues here with mine. Same issues could be said for the 700 and as a previous owner of both the 201 and the 700 there is no way I could EVER recommend either of those tablets over the N10. It's funny the same complaints you make about our tablet just looking over on your boards -- same things
Loose Screen
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Lol all your doing is confirming my point that both tablets have their problemsand not even the N10 as you so eloquently put it, is without its own problems. Like i asked the op it depends on what he is doing. I could never recommend the N10 for a school or as a business device. The battery life would be horrible and i would not have the external storage to quickly save documents and transfer between devices.Not to mention the lack of the dedicated keyboard. To each their own my friend. Happy your happy with the N10, but i could never go back to it ( mentioned in previous threads that i was one of the first to get an N10 and gave it away to my sister ...) I love my infinity. Its super fast, looks amazing and overall performs its tasks above and beyond what i expect.
Oh and by the way to your point on asus not getting updates as fast as the nexus line....take a look at the galaxy nexus. If experiencing the update a whole 3 weeks before me makes you happy and puts you to sleep at night, by all mean enjoy that. I will take my 3 weeks release plus hardware asus support over getting the updates and having to deal with samsung hardware support any day. Go ahead and try to get the N10 repaired and see what kind of loop holes you have to jump through lol.

Nexus 10 if u want a great stock experience and did not want to void your warrenty. Samsung provides a good hardware support and in case things go wrong the warrenty claims are much easier than in case of other companies. Samsung also has one type of hardware faults which haunts their devices and comes to nitice easily. Third samsung devices are with simple plain designs. Performance wise N10 sits at the top of all android devices.
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pierrekid said:
Lol all your doing is confirming my point that both tablets have their problemsand not even the N10 as you so eloquently put it, is without its own problems. Like i asked the op it depends on what he is doing. I could never recommend the N10 for a school or as a business device. The battery life would be horrible and i would not have the external storage to quickly save documents and transfer between devices.Not to mention the lack of the dedicated keyboard. To each their own my friend. Happy your happy with the N10, but i could never go back to it ( mentioned in previous threads that i was one of the first to get an N10 and gave it away to my sister ...) I love my infinity. Its super fast, looks amazing and overall performs its tasks above and beyond what i expect.
Oh and by the way to your point on asus not getting updates as fast as the nexus line....take a look at the galaxy nexus. If experiencing the update a whole 3 weeks before me makes you happy and puts you to sleep at night, by all mean enjoy that. I will take my 3 weeks release plus hardware asus support over getting the updates and having to deal with samsung hardware support any day. Go ahead and try to get the N10 repaired and see what kind of loop holes you have to jump through lol.
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Again "Poor Battery Life" seems to be unique point for users, not an issue here because I keep track of what apps I have running. I have no problem going for days without charging on normal operation. Then again, I do not sit for hours at a time in front of my tablet. There is nothing wrong with this device as a school device, business I could even say the same 201/700 is even worse performance wise. Just because you have a detachable keyboard accessory doesn't outweigh all the other problems with the Asus, it sure wasn't enough to keep me from taking the device back. Asus support as well- hope you never need it. It took having weeks of having to constantly get a hold of Gary Key and Hai Trat (do you even know who they are? Have a look) on here to have an issue resolved since there policy on the phone is take your information and never call you back- Like you said tho to each his own.. if you enjoy owning an underperforming tablet, in the same price range- that's all you :highfive:

IMO, BT Keyboard also works with N10. BT keyboard sounds a lot better because it is probably cheaper and can be used on other devices too not like the ASUS dock (if you buy a new tablet then you are screwed).
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NeoMagus said:
Again "Poor Battery Life" seems to be unique point for users, not an issue here because I keep track of what apps I have running. I have no problem going for days without charging on normal operation. Then again, I do not sit for hours at a time in front of my tablet. There is nothing wrong with this device as a school device, business I could even say the same 201/700 is even worse performance wise. Just because you have a detachable keyboard accessory doesn't outweigh all the other problems with the Asus, it sure wasn't enough to keep me from taking the device back. Asus support as well- hope you never need it. It took having weeks of having to constantly get a hold of Gary Key and Hai Trat (do you even know who they are? Have a look) on here to have an issue resolved since there policy on the phone is take your information and never call you back- Like you said tho to each his own.. if you enjoy owning an underperforming tablet, in the same price range- that's all you :highfive:
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If you say you dont sit in front of your tablet for hours on end....then why would you recommend it as a school or business device...which requires to sit in front of it for hours? Im confused on your logic there....And gary key is the forum head for asus who keeps up to date on updates and any issues we might have. Why is that relevant? Are you trying to insult my intelligence? Im simply stating my opinion to the OP. Whats wrong with man? You do know its ok for someone to disagree with you right? lol calm down... If you like your N10 then thats great for you. I personally dont like it as a student speaking and would not recommend it...so again...calm down lol its ok...

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If you say you dont sit in front of your tablet for hours on end....then why would you recommend it as a school or business device...which requires to sit in front of it for hours? Im confused on your logic there....And gary key is the forum head for asus who keeps up to date on updates and any issues we might have. Why is that relevant? Are you trying to insult my intelligence? Im simply stating my opinion to the OP. Whats wrong with man? You do know its ok for someone to disagree with you right? lol
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You insulted your own intelligence when you suggested that Asus' support is any better than Samsung's. The link is there for you to read thru plenty of disappointed people and if you'd like I could probably link at least 5 others complaining of nightmares with the RMA system. Of course it's ok to disagree, why do you think I replied to your post in the first place? Nothing to calm down about, sorry if you can't take valid counterpoints to your argument.

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IMO, BT Keyboard also works with N10. BT keyboard sounds a lot better because it is probably cheaper and can be used on other devices too not like the ASUS dock (if you buy a new tablet then you are screwed).
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Very true, but the kicker is that the asus keyboard has an extra battery, usb out and a full SD card slot. So it does offer alot more than a simple BT keyboard.
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You insulted your own intelligence when you suggested that Asus' support is any better than Samsung's. The link is there for you to read thru plenty of disappointed people and if you'd like I could probably link at least 5 others complaining of nightmares with the RMA system. Of course it's ok to disagree, why do you think I replied to your post in the first place?
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http://phandroid.com/2012/12/27/samsung-nexus-10-repair/
Check the link and the comments. Enough said. Next topic cause im done talking to you. And for reference, why don't you read the whole article and the comments from N10 owners before you respond stupidly.

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http://phandroid.com/2012/12/27/samsung-nexus-10-repair/
Check the link and the comment. Enough said. Next topic cause im done talking to you.
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And? Congrats, we've both posted links to articles with people complaining about support. Want a cookie?
***I can edit posts too to call names. How old are you, 12? Again theres more than enough on both sides to even claim one is better than the other theres no point

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And? Congrats, we've both posted links to articles with people complaining about support. Want a cookie?
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Lmao no use arguing with you , clearly your on here to flame and im not gonna turn the OP's thread into a flame war. You win lmao take your prize...absolutely nothing
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I'm getting my first tablet but am at a loss how to decide? On the one hand, all critics (Cnet, PcMag, Wired, Engadget, Laptop magazine, ect...) seem to universally agree the Ipad-4 is best hands-down, no question in terms of overall quality as a tablet. Then I compared the Asus with the other 2, and was almost certain I preferred the Asus- some critics even preferred it over the Nexus 10 and expandable memory is HUGE (HD movies on 16 or even 32gb non-memory expandable device is unacceptable in this day and age). Or so it seemed. Though critics like the Asus I've read so many user-reviews about screen-bleeding and a sluggish OS, in spite of its quad-core processor Asus almost seems scary in light of the endless complaints. Now it's back down to Nexus10 vs Ipad and Ipad still seems to be better for gaming with its GPU, its app marketplace is also phenomenal.Thoughts?
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Also im not a huge Apple fan, nor are most people on here, but if your just looking for the simplest functioning device out there, the ipad might be your best bet. However you will be paying a premium for their hardware.

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Lmao no use arguing with you , clearly your on here to flame and im not gonna turn the OP's thread into a flame war. You win lmao take your prize...absolutely nothing
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Also im not a huge Apple fan, nor are most people on here, but if your just looking for the simplest functioning device out there, the ipad might be your best bet. However you will be paying a premium for their hardware.
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Not flaming you at all. Sorry you are taking it to heart all of your tablets negatives. It's a good thing I didn't hurt your feelings in the other infinity thread the other night jeez

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Not flaming you at all. Sorry you are taking it to heart all of your tablets negatives. It's a good thing I didn't hurt your feelings in the other infinity thread the other night jeez
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Lol again...enjoy your prize

pierrekid said:
Depends on what you are looking to do with it. If you are a student/ business oriented and need media consumption as well, the infinity if by far the best. Great form factor, keyboard with battery, really fast since the updates and overall great support from asus. Just take a look around these boards and you will see the N10 also has its problem. Poor battery, no external storage, sluggishness during browsing, lag during gaming and media playback, very poor support from samsung and google in terms of warranty support (look at all the articles popping up about Samsung basically ignoring the N10). If you look at the comparison sites most of them that ACTUALLY compare the two say that the infinity is much better. Good luck to ya man!
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Not to jump on the bandwagon, but only part of that I can agree with is the lack of external store.
Especially when comparing to Asus; the company that released the Infinity mere months after the slew of issues that plagued their newly released Transformer Prime TF201. Of anyone, Best Buy did the best to their customers by offering to exchange their <2mo old top of the line table with terrible wifi performance, little to no GPS functionality whatsoever (until the later released GPS Extension Kit), complete bluetooth dropout when streaming, an factory unlock program that doesn't unlock about half the Primes it's tried on for some reason, a one-two month wait time on sending it back to Asus for a RMA on the above issues. No, I didn't go through any of that whatsoever when I had my Prime over the course of 3 months.
In response to Gary; he, along with Tien, were brought on to handle the bad press arising from their tablet issues. I dealt with Tien in order to get my Prime RMA'd. For some reason his email wouldn't accept or send anything to my g-mail account, so we used the PM on xda to communicate. At best I would get responses in a few days, other times couple of weeks.
After all that, I was still super stoked to get my Asus Infinity after my Prime sold. Then I realized that in order to get a tablet that isn't laggy, relentlessly stuttering and constantly having hangups, I would have to void my warranty whatsoever, with no way back. And in the off chance the (Asus supplied) unlock tool didn't work, I would have to deal with un-bricking it to try again. Go try to play with one in Best Buy and LMK how long it takes for you to hate it. You can't type "amazon.com" in the browser open page without it lagging.
Don't get me wrong, the Transformer is super nice; it's just riddled with a ****ton of crappy I/O performance issues and lack of warranty from day one. The N10 works with SD cards mounted via OTG cable, so you can use whatever external storage you want (SD Cards, USB HD's, etc); and if anything goes wrong you can relock/unroot and return it for repairs. I'm running ParanoidAndroid+KTManta kernal, but even on the stock AOSP setup everything just works.
Also, most if not all reviews of two point toward the Nexus.
http://www.android.gs/google-nexus-...ote-10-1-vs-asus-transformer-infinity-tf700t/
http://sortable.com/tablets/Google-Nexus-10-vs-Asus-Transformer-Infinity

unboostedzc said:
Of anyone, Best Buy did the best to their customers by offering to exchange their <2mo old top of the line table with terrible wifi performance
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The exchanges they were doing was all under the table according to their return policy, it was not something Best Buy officially endorsed. That was how I got my 700, I exchanged the 201 for it there.

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