So we read blogs/articles/magazines/web sites that absolutely rave about the Transformer Prime and have nothing negative to say then we get real world users that do nothing but complain about everything you could possibly think of so the question is.
A.) Did the company's that reviews these get a souped up turbo charged version of the Prime and everyone else got a dumbed down inferior version?
B.) Are the tech company's and magazine publishers lieing to us
C.) Are the real world forum reviews on XDA anal retentive and will complain about anything and everything regardless of what the product is.
Do we have a gray area here in between any of the above 3 scenarios? Something just does not make sense here.
I choose C
I take the the 50:50 joker!
Hm hard to answer, heavy question...maybe all of them?^^
A) That's ridiculous. Reviewers got units with bad WiFi. So they're certainly not better than what people are buying off the streets. Also, the media would go nuts if they ever found out manufacturers were sending them shill units just to get better results.
B) Reviewers are people too and all have their own biases. There may be a positive or negative slant to a review based on those biases but I'd guess they're 80-90% objective. If they always bias their reviews, people would stop reading them.
C) There are three different types of XDA'rs. 1) Unilateral fanboys that can see no wrong even though it's clear something’s amiss. There were people denying the SGS1 had GPS issues when it was totally clear they all did. 2) Pessimists that always look for the negative and amplify it without basis. Some of them may not even own the device. 3) Normal people who just want to share info, have no motive in their comments, and don't need self-validation though forum exchanges. They are usually attacked by the fanboys and pessimists for not having a stronger position either way.
There's clearly some common issues with the early Prime's and the fanboys are out in force denying them while the pessimists are making them larger then they need to be. Look for posts from normal people and use your own judgement in forming an opinion on any particular issue.
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A) That's ridiculous. Reviewers got units with bad WiFi. So they're certainly not better than what people are buying off the streets. Also, the media would go nuts if they ever found out manufacturers were sending them shill units just to get better results.
B) Reviewers are people too and all have their own biases. There may be a positive or negative slant to a review based on those biases but I'd guess they're 80-90% objective. If they always bias their reviews, people would stop reading them.
C) There are three different types of XDA'rs. 1) Unilateral fanboys that can see no wrong even though it's clear something’s amiss. There were people denying the SGS1 had GPS issues when it was totally clear they all did. 2) Pessimists that always look for the negative and amplify it without basis. Some of them may not even own the device. 3) Normal people who just want to share info, have no motive in their comments, and don't need self-validation though forum exchanges. They are usually attacked by the fanboys and pessimists for not having a stronger position either way.
There's clearly some common issues with the early Prime's and the fanboys are out in force denying them while the pessimists are making them larger then they need to be. Look for posts from normal people and use your own judgement in forming an opinion on any particular issue.
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Lets just use one example the magazines and blogs that reviewed the prime said the speed and browsing was blazing fast everyone on here says its slow and choppy and not even on par with the iPad 2 so how did we get such a difference of opinion on this perticular topic?
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Lets just use one example the magazines and blogs that reviewed the prime said the speed and browsing was blazing fast everyone on here says its slow and choppy and not even on par with the iPad 2 so how did we get such a difference of opinion on this perticular topic?
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Some reviews are very thorough. AnandTech is one of those. Typically, a reviewer spends between a couple of days and a week with a device. Reviewers of the Prime actually commented on how little time they got to spend with it before writing their reviews.
Using a device casually with few apps on it is going to get a different result then loading it up with stuff that the reviewer uses on their own personal device and then using it as a daily driver. Out of the box, even Teg2 devices perform well. A lot of the reviewers really didn't put the Prime through its paces. Look for the reviewers that did, like AnandTech and GSMArena.
The SoC is just one part of the performance equation. For the Prime, the bottleneck looks to be s/w in some cases. I think that's what's happening in your example. And ICS is going to be a big improvement for GB users but it's foundation is actually HC. There are just some things we're going to have to live with in Android and some lag and hesitation in certain functions seems to be one of them. Maybe through s/w optimization and updates Asus (or any manufacturer) may make it better but it seems to be a fact of life. There was a great article from a Google engineer explaining the lag that I'll try to find. It helps understand the difference between iOS and Android.
you saw how anandtech got a hand picked unit to test. if i were a company id send out the best units to reviewers
what is this nonsense, i see a whole crap load of positive posts about the asus.
the negative ones are mostly people who have simple issues that most tablets come with.
I think as somebody has posted elsewhere - there are probably MANY people at home loving their primes and not bothering to mention it on here whilst people having issues will want to find others with those issues, generally ***** and moan, etc. It's a biased cohort on here for sure.
I tend to believe that a lot of the reviewers give positive raves because they get their crap for free! It's totally different for someone who pays $500.00 for it. Of course we expect more because we paid for top notch!
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I tend to believe that a lot of the reviewers give positive raves because they get their crap for free! It's totally different for someone who pays $500.00 for it. Of course we expect more because we paid for top notch!
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They don't keep em. They have to send it back.
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C. except maybe the gps, which isnt working for many (includingthe 3 I've tried personally).
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there are probably MANY people at home loving their primes
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the negative ones are mostly people who have simple issues that most tablets come with.
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There aren't that many Primes out there. The number of issues being reported from a small sample set and the commonality is something to watch. It's too early to say whether they're just early production teething issues, random QC issues, or a design/manufacturing issue. Not all the people reporting problems are alarmists and say positive things along with the negative.
I love this device and have had a few issues with it as well. It's worrisome that the GPS doesn't work and I have had some browser typing lag and a few other minor issues. The reason you hear so much about the negative stuff is that no one is gathering together to talk about what they should do about their tablet being so fast and smooth.
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Good thing they'll be only coming out in January in my country. They'll come with QWERTZ keyboard so its probably a different batch.
I think its pretty clear they rushed some things especially in the software department to get it out in time for USA launch. Seems to me like the software is just a port from the original transformer with some added tweaks. Every IT device i owned had some problems at first. If I compare the performance of my DesireHD with custom rom and everything to how it was when i first bought it a year ago... OMG about every aspect of the device is better now. And that only through software tweaks.
I think it's all about the big rush to get the review out ASAP. Like somebody else said, they don't put 100 apps on it and use it constantly to figure out that a little glitch that happened that time is actually a bug that happens consistently when you do certain things. Like the diff between motor trend doing initial impressions on a car review vs long term reviews a year later.
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Some reviews are very thorough. AnandTech is one of those. Typically, a reviewer spends between a couple of days and a week with a device. Reviewers of the Prime actually commented on how little time they got to spend with it before writing their reviews.
Using a device casually with few apps on it is going to get a different result then loading it up with stuff that the reviewer uses on their own personal device and then using it as a daily driver. Out of the box, even Teg2 devices perform well. A lot of the reviewers really didn't put the Prime through its paces. Look for the reviewers that did, like AnandTech and GSMArena.
The SoC is just one part of the performance equation. For the Prime, the bottleneck looks to be s/w in some cases. I think that's what's happening in your example. And ICS is going to be a big improvement for GB users but it's foundation is actually HC. There are just some things we're going to have to live with in Android and some lag and hesitation in certain functions seems to be one of them. Maybe through s/w optimization and updates Asus (or any manufacturer) may make it better but it seems to be a fact of life. There was a great article from a Google engineer explaining the lag that I'll try to find. It helps understand the difference between iOS and Android.
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Just throwing my two-cents out there but I thought ICS was based on the linux 3.x series kernel and HC was on a 2.6 derivative... That alone makes me feel like ICS is more groud-up built OS as opposed to an OS derived directly from HC. Think revolution, not evolution. Or am I wrong or just blowing this out of proportion?
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Just throwing my two-cents out there but I thought ICS was based on the linux 3.x series kernel and HC was on a 2.6 derivative... That alone makes me feel like ICS is more groud-up built OS as opposed to an OS derived directly from HC. Think revolution, not evolution. Or am I wrong or just blowing this out of proportion?
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Here's some links. There's a bunch of new APIs for developers to write against but, other than that, the only technical benefit to ICS is h/w acceleration. That already exists in HC. It seems that a lot of stuff the manufacturers added-on are now included natively in the OS. So it seems like a "revolution" for GB but "evolution" for HC. Any developers with more insight chime in.
ICS Features:
http://briefmobile.com/android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-announced-feature-list
ICS Developers Discussion:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/search/label/Android 4.0
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http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/03/android-30-hardware-acceleration.html
Downloaded thumb keyboard. Seems like the best keyboard for tablets. No lag when typing.
I think the consumers will be harsh on the prime because we had to wait for it and there was much hype about the prime. The reviewers from websites didn't spent their hard earned dollars on this piece of equipment.
The way I see it, we have every right to be harsh on judging the prime. We expected something that works. If there were kinks in the software, fine. But seems like we have some real concerns about this device that aren't just kinks.
Hopefully ASUS actually reading these feedbacks and are going to address our concerns soon.
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I dont own a prime but this situation reminds me a lot of when the galaxy s first came out. The reviews were overwelmingly positive but once i got my device it turned out to be nothing like the reviews. It took months and an actual hardware revision before it worked ok.
Never trust early reviews and avoid being an early adopter. I want to see how it performs on ics before buying.
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I'm going to return my tablet to Amazon and wait for something better. I have been using the 10.1 non stop for the past two weeks and it is awesome. The few problems it has are with HC and not the hardware. However, I feel the processing power needs to be a bit higher for 1280x720 resolution and we need more video codecs. Nvidia say they won't make the same mistake with the upcoming quadcore, and since it's only 2 months away, the wait feels justified to me.
Don't get me wrong, this tablet owns all other HC tablets at the moment. I just would be very pissed off if the new tablets like the Amazon Hollywood appeared this Christmas and completely destroyed the performance of my 10.1 along with playing nearly any video I copy onto it.
I urge anyone still within their return period to consider sending it back. It would be one thing if the new tablets were 5 or 6 months out, but 2 months is too close.
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I'm going to return my tablet to Amazon and wait for something better. I have been using the 10.1 non stop for the past two weeks and it is awesome. The few problems it has are with HC and not the hardware. However, I feel the processing power needs to be a bit higher for 1280x720 resolution and we need more video codecs. Nvidia say they won't make the same mistake with the upcoming quadcore, and since it's only 2 months away, the wait feels justified to me.
Don't get me wrong, this tablet owns all other HC tablets at the moment. I just would be very pissed off if the new tablets like the Amazon Hollywood appeared this Christmas and completely destroyed the performance of my 10.1 along with playing nearly any video I copy onto it.
I urge anyone still within their return period to send it back. It would be one thing if the new tablets were 5 or 6 months out, but 2 months is too close.
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You do understand that if you actually lived by that way of thinking, you would literally (seriously, joking aside) never own a tablet...? Because lets say you were thinking about the original G-Tab when it first came out...but then heard that Honeycomb was on its way, so you waited...then Honeycomb shows up with its array of tablets (the Tegra 2 generation)...and as tempting and highly-praised as they may be, you then hear about the next round of Honeycomb tablets (with quadcores )...but wait! not all that long after that should be the Ice Cream Sandwich debut with yet ANOTHER suite of tablets (with maybe hexa- or octo-core chips! ), so I'm guessing you should wait for THOSE to come out, right?!?
No offense man, but I really wish people would come up with more logical, legitimate, and justifiable excuses for not buying new pieces of electronics, because face it - it is a 100% certainty that within 6 months of your purchase of said piece of electronics, it WILL be outdated to some extent. Like it or not, it is a virtual guarantee that within that amount of time the successor generation of products (in this case tablets) will hit the market with better specs and features than that of the product you bought. And that is a stone-cold fact something that all of us as fans of electronics and gizmos simply have to come to grips with.
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You do understand that if you actually lived by that way of thinking, you would literally (seriously, joking aside) never own a tablet...? Because lets say you were thinking about the original G-Tab when it first came out...but then heard that Honeycomb was on its way, so you waited...then Honeycomb shows up with its array of tablets (Tegra 2)...and as tempting as they may be, you then hear about the next round of Honeycomb tablets (with quadcores )...but wait! not all that long after that should be the Ice Cream Sandwich debut with yet ANOTHER suite of tablets (with maybe hexa- or octo-core chips! ), so I'm guessing you should wait for THOSE to come out, right?!?
No offense man, but I really wish people would come up with more logical, legitimate, and justifiable excuses for not buying new pieces of electronics, because face it - it is a 100% certainty that within 6 months of your purchase of said piece of electronics, it WILL be outdated to some extent. And that is a stone-cold fact something that all of us as fans of electronics and gizmos simply have to come to grips with.
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If you read my OP, you would see my reasoning which should be more than justified with the next slew of more powerful tablets. 6 months is fine to me. Not 2 months, though.
I'll give you an example. I recently built myself a computer and started out with an X58 and a Core i7-950. About a month and a half later, the new P67 boards came out and that awesome i7-2600K with them. I asked on many forums what I should do and most said I should be happy with what I had. I ignored that advice and couldn't be happier. But, when I was building the 2600K rig, everyone kept telling me I was wasting my time because Z68 boards. I don't care about the upcoming Z68 boards because I'm very pleased with my PC. It's far superior to the i7-950 build and it will last for quite some time.
Tegra2 just isn't powerful enough. I can't even use a live wallpaper without stuff becoming sluggish and you can't argue that one. Try moving an icon around with a live wallpaper running.
Their pricey toys...not investments.
Well, in my case they sure are an investment literally, doing post-graduation the laod of coursebooks is unbearable, these a step ahead from usual e-ink crap have helped me a lot, adding the annotation feature. It ain't mere multimedia box where you throw all 1080p movies (God knows from where!) and expect playback or else failure. Consider the excellent resolution, the browser experience with flash and excellent apps around (actually mean the THD games!) plus QUick office HD (as free!!! take this iPAD) and pdf readers like Repligo and eZpdf.
One man's bad experience doesn't justify the claimed redundancy of such a wonderful piece of technology! Quad-cores ahead, sure let'em on, more fun is ahead, massive multitasking and profound browser experience with emerging social networks like google+ and prevalent Fbook!
In short, Screw you man! I am keeping mine!
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Well, in my case they sure are an investment literally, doing post-graduation the laod of coursebooks is unbearable, these a step ahead from usual e-ink crap have helped me a lot, adding the annotation feature. It ain't mere multimedia box where you throw all 1080p movies (God knows from where!) and expect playback or else failure. Consider the excellent resolution, the browser experience with flash and excellent apps around (actually mean the THD games!) plus QUick office HD (as free!!! take this iPAD) and pdf readers like Repligo and eZpdf.
One man's bad experience doesn't justify the claimed redundancy of such a wonderful piece of technology! Quad-cores ahead, sure let'em on, more fun is ahead, massive multitasking and profound browser experience with emerging social networks like google+ and prevalent Fbook!
In short, Screw you man! I am keeping mine!
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I definitely love the very last sentence of this.
Now see I'm not saying the tablet is a bad experience. But I think it's a good idea to hold out a few months. It's the same thing with phones. I really like the Sensation and the Evo 3D, but the Nexus is coming this Christmas too. I've been patiently waiting for it.
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I definitely love the very last sentence of this.
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Effing priceless
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Now see I'm not saying the tablet is a bad experience. But I think it's a good idea to hold out a few months. It's the same thing with phones. I really like the Sensation and the Evo 3D, but the Nexus is coming this Christmas too. I've been patiently waiting for it.
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So are you honestly going to say that right about when the time comes for you to buy the phone you're holding out for and you hear rumors swirling about the next phone after that (and this will happen, by the way, it has happen with every single major period of Android-related releases so far), that you won't be tempted to do the same thing over again (that is, hold off until that comes out?). You seem to be missing the point - if you subscribe to this it will unarguably be an endless circle. And it is by no means your fault necessarily, its the Apples, Samsungs, HTCs, LGs, Sonys, Motorolas, Toshibas, etc of the world who are coming out with newer generations of productions, not yearly, or even every 6 months, but most often even less than that. Of course the good side of that is the technology is progressing super fast these days, so I guess that's the tradeoff that we all have to live with - major progression and innovation of tech but with each piece getting trumped by the next every few months
I can honestly say I will get the Nexus 3 or whatever it will be called, regardless of upcoming rumors around that time. As long as it's not done like the Nexus S was. A clone of a phone already out.
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I can honestly say I will get the Nexus 3 or whatever it will be called, regardless of upcoming rumors around that time. As long as it's not done like the Nexus S was. A clone of a phone already out.
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Well I can definitely agree on you with the Nexus S - I am an N1 owner, from the day of launch, and I have yet to see another new phone on the market since then that can hold a candle to that phone, period. Now that being said, we'll all have to wait and see what the N3 will be all about. If you recall, the Nexus S was rumored to have quite a lot going for it...until it saw the light of day, at which point we were all like, "what?". So clearly the N3 has some really big shoes to fill, and hopefully those developing it realize this completely.
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Now see I'm not saying the tablet is a bad experience. But I think it's a good idea to hold out a few months. It's the same thing with phones. I really like the Sensation and the Evo 3D, but the Nexus is coming this Christmas too. I've been patiently waiting for it.
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I've been waiting for a Verizon phone with a dual core and LTE forever now and guess what, it'll probably be outdated when it arrives, maybe I should hold off for a quad-core, kal-el, or maybe a 6-core or just maybe wait 25 years in hopes that phones are so advanced every new one will be just like the others (wont happen). Buy now and use it for a few year and sell it on ebay and pay a couple more dollars to get the next gen.
There will always be something newer and faster. And just like our tab, they too will not be perfect.
I definitely understand the point you guys are making. But I'm not concerned about having the newest and best. It's about getting something that works well and also satisfies. If I'm dropping 500 dollars, I want to be completely happy with my purchase and I'm not with the 10.1.
EDIT: I'm going to sign up for that AMEX membership so I can have that option in the future as well.
I never understood the point of threads like these. OP has an opinion; others have their own. What's the point of a poll? And more to the point, regarding the following quote:
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I urge anyone still within their return period to send it back.
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F-you, OP. You don't have the right to "urge" me to do anything. Your opinion is your own -- but when you try to impose it on me, we've got a problem.
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You don't have the right to "urge" me to do anything. Your opinion is your own -- but when you try to impose it on me, we've got a problem.
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Exactly this!
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I never understood the point of threads like these. OP has an opinion; others have their own. What's the point of a poll? And more to the point, regarding the following quote:
F-you, OP. You don't have the right to "urge" me to do anything. Your opinion is your own -- but when you try to impose it on me, we've got a problem.
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I can see how that came off wrong. What I meant is that I urge people to consider it.
The point of a thread and poll like this was to see if anyone else was thinking of doing the same thing as me. That's why we have the poll option.
Don't get so worked up over something on the internet. It causes stress.
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I'll give you an example. I recently built myself a computer and started out with an X58 and a Core i7-950. About a month and a half later, the new P67 boards came out and that awesome i7-2600K with them. I asked on many forums what I should do and most said I should be happy with what I had. I ignored that advice and couldn't be happier. But, when I was building the 2600K rig, everyone kept telling me I was wasting my time because Z68 boards. I don't care about the upcoming Z68 boards because I'm very pleased with my PC. It's far superior to the i7-950 build and it will last for quite some time.
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I understand your thought process, but herein lies the problem:
You returned your old PC and upgraded it and I am sure you are extremely pleased with what you have. Now, if you would have kept your i7-950 build you would have also been extremely pleased with it.
With the way hardware technology is advancing, software developers cannot keep up. How many applications do you have that take advantage of the extra speed of that newer generation processor? Heck, how many applications are there that actually take use of anything higher than a dual core processor? Not many - and in your case, there's probably only a handful of applications that will use the newest generation processors to their potential. In all likelihood you don't use these, and even if you do, you only use them extremely rarely.
The same thing is happening in the Tablet field, although to a stronger extent. I actually don't know of any applications that take use of the dual-core processors in newer generation phones and tablets. In fact, Froyo and Gingerbread don't even take use of dual-core processors at the kernel level. Applications being built for mobile devices just aren't likely to be designed with multi-threading in mind.
Keep this in mind when you are deciding to take your tablet back - but I wish you good luck nonetheless.
You bring up some good points. I play a lot of PC games and noticed a good amount of difference, but outside of games not much.
And there's is a good chance I could get *screwed* with a quad core tablet that overheats and has horrible battery life. We'll see.
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I can see how that came off wrong. What I meant is that I urge people to consider it.
The point of a thread and poll like this was to see if anyone else was thinking of doing the same thing as me. That's why we have the poll option.
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Why do you think you need to urge people to consider returning their Tabs? We're not children who need to be reminded of our options as consumers. Your ex post facto reinterpretation is nearly as patronizing as your original post.
While I give you credit for acting civil in your posts -- an unusual accomplishment in this genre of threads -- it still appears to me that you're just looking to provoke polarizing responses. Whether the Tab is or isn't a good purchase for someone is matter of personal opinion. No poll or discussion is going to change that.
Have read so many negative comments just want to know if this is the best out or what. It has better spec than any other tablet but all I'm reading are complaints. Mine won't arrive til Wednesday and I haven't planned on buying the dock just picked up that black sleeve that reminds me of origami.
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Have read so many negative comments just want to know if this is the best out or what. It has better spec than any other tablet but all I'm reading are complaints. Mine won't arrive til Wednesday and I haven't planned on buying the dock just picked up that black sleeve that reminds me of origami.
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Yes, it is the best 10.1" Wi-Fi Android tablet out there. The raging debate you're reading is about how long it will stay that way.
You will always hear negative things about any tablet when they first come out. That should be expected nowadays.
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Sorry, but really? there are many MANY threads discussing the viability of this topic.
"Best" is a relative concept. seriously. why clutter up the already exploding forum with truly useless threads?
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Have read so many negative comments just want to know if this is the best out or what. It has better spec than any other tablet but all I'm reading are complaints. Mine won't arrive til Wednesday and I haven't planned on buying the dock just picked up that black sleeve that reminds me of origami.
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Yes this is the best out for Android right now and probably stay that way for at least next 4 months or so. The negative comments are just the more vocal ones. More are completely satisfied with device. Like me, and others with none or very minor issues. I'm very satisfied with My prime. Best tablet I ever had and I came from an iPad. Which I loved also but the prime just blows away the Competition at the moment. As with any device, there will be initial issues that are real and effect some users. You have to remember they are the minority. Check out the positive prime thread and you will see how easily this device lived up to the hype and more.
I haven't been able to set the prime down since I got it
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I haven't been able to set the prime down since I got it
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I'm hoping to have mine tomorrow, and I'll probably be the same way with my wife yelling at me to put it down lol.
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I'm hoping to have mine tomorrow, and I'll probably be the same way with my wife yelling at me to put it down lol.
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I know what you mean..lol at least I prepared my Ipad got my woman to use. Signing off Facebook apps n such and deactivating my email accounts on there so she can add her info. I'll always still have access to it and have certain places in there locked down. So she can't go snooping in places she shouldn't be at...lmfao I still have to transfer websites/bookmarks, resume, etc.. To my prime though. My jail broken iPad is a great device but I have moved on to bigger and better, The Prime.
Thread should be moved to questions or closed. Best or not is subjective and a waste of time especially when OP has stated it has the best specs.
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I haven't been able to set the prime down since I got it
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Glad to see I'm not the only one...I was beginning to wonder if this was normal.
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Glad to see I'm not the only one...I was beginning to wonder if this was normal.
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Yes, it is the best Android tablet out right now.
Naturally, the best products out there receive the most scrutiny, so that's why you're reading so many "negative" things about the Prime right now. That's a byproduct of being one of the best products out there.
And as said already, the comments aren't about if the Prime is the best but rather about how long it will be the best. My personal view is that the Prime is an in-between device that is between the 1st gen Android tabs and the wave of 2nd gen tabs coming out in 2012, but I invite you to do your own research on the Prime and on upcoming tablets and to make your own decision on where the Prime stands.
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Yes, it is the best Android tablet out right now.
Naturally, the best products out there receive the most scrutiny, so that's why you're reading so many "negative" things about the Prime right now. That's a byproduct of being one of the best products out there.
And as said already, the comments aren't about if the Prime is the best but rather about how long it will be the best. My personal view is that the Prime is an in-between device that is between the 1st gen Android tabs and the wave of 2nd gen tabs coming out in 2012, but I invite you to do your own research on the Prime and on upcoming tablets and to make your own decision on where the Prime stands.
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I ran out of thanks. Very well put.
If there's one thing I'm going to take with me when I die, it's that this world is composed of 99% whiners.
To this day, I still see people whine about the stupidest things about the TF101. Some examples are a few people whining about being able to see the capacitive sensor grid under certain lighting at a certain angle. I've seen some people whine about the TF101 not feeling like a laptop. In fact, I think that's the #1 complaint I've seen about the TF101. People bought it thinking they can use it like a laptop.
I've seen people whine about the background moving slightly when you scroll from screen to screen.
I have the acer iconia, and so I've seen people whine about ridiculous things about that as well. Everything from the metalic back is cold to the touch to the sensor grid being visible under certain light at certain angle to it doesn't feel like a laptop.
Why is it that the prevalent whine for any tablet is that it doesn't feel like a laptop? Why the hell do people buy the tablet with the intention to use it like a laptop? Is there some kind of mental block involved here?
This is not to say that I see every complaint as a whine. In fact, I think there are many legit complaints about design flaws, software bugs, etc. You just have to filter out all the whines to see the real legit and constructive criticisms.
The point is don't just blindly look at the negative reviews. Actually read those negative reviews and try to weed out all the whines.
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Here's an example.
http://www.amazon.com/Transformer-T...?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar
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Some examples are a few people whining about being able to see the capacitive sensor grid under certain lighting at a certain angle.
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I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I love that.... I can tilt it different ways and see cool different patterns. It's fun to look at...
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I'm not on anything, I swear!
The Prime is the best tablet with the best Tablet-OS right now.
This could or will change in a few months, but this is normal in these days.
Sorry to say but I am not impressed with this tablet. I want to be, but it is just not happening. I just posted an initial review where you can read the details but to summarize:
- Hard to hold, very slippery
- Horrible keyboards
- SLOW web browser
- Short Battery Life
- No real noticable difference performance improvemant compared to my Toshiba Thrive
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Sorry to say but I am not impressed with this tablet. I want to be, but it is just not happening. I just posted an initial review where you can read the details but to summarize:
- Hard to hold, very slippery
- Horrible keyboards...as compared to what? Not sure if you've heard about Andorid market, but the legends tells of many keyboard alternatives it posses.
- SLOW web browser...as compared to what? An iPad (yes it's not iOS)? or your Thrive? Again see above comment.
- Short Battery Life...you've had it for at best a week, the battery is nowhere near broken in.
- No real noticeable difference performance improvement compared to my Toshiba Thrive....Curious, what do you use your tablet for to measure this "performance"? Your email reading isn't going to get any faster with the T3...
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See the above edited quote. It seems you do not perceive the device to meet your expectations...easy solution, return the prime and keep using your Thrive as it is obviously a better solution for you.
My big issue with Prime is that it has gotten lukewarm reviews since release, especially by its users. While people were criticizing my fears and predictions a month ago, reality is that Prime is not as big a step forward as hoped, neither in software nor in hardware.
Hardware seems to be flawed with weak WiFi and the chance of getting a device with some sort of hardware flaw, including light bleeds, weak GPS, dead pixels, weak and unresponsive touch screen, screen that is dusty from behind the glass, or a device that just does not turn on, is higher than that of an average new product. Especially when compared to Apple's releases, which - while not flawless - hasn't made me fearful for the products quality that I am buying. I love Android so much more as a software, despite its weaknesses, simply because the ecosystem and much better openness compared to Apple are worth it for me. It pains me to see a device that has flawed and untested hardware.
Second issue is software. Quad-core does not improve anything much and ICS will not improve things other than (hopefully) the browser. Prime has very little RAM, which I think would be much better for an Android device than quad-core. Prime would be a better device with higher-clocked dual-core processor and 2GB of RAM. And you have to remember that the snappiness of software is highly dependent on hardware too, a recent Finnish review pointed out that the touchscreen is simply weak and not as responsive as it should be, making the software seem slow. This too won't be fixed by ICS.
And let's not forget the issue that I raised very early on about the Prime: battery life. Now that users actually have the device, it has become clear that battery life on Transformer Prime sucks. Everybody was up with pitchforks when I made those early predictions, but those were true predictions. Users report 6-7 hours of battery life in actual use, which is far from 10+ hours. Even with fresh battery this is very little. This means that I could not use Prime as the main device for lectures and web browsing while at University.
I will still be buying it and hoping that I won't get a flawed device, since I'm ordering it internationally and returns are a pain. At least it should be better than the original Transformer. But main reason for my purchase is the keyboard dock. If I did not want the keyboard dock, I would not purchase Transformer Prime.
That makes 3 of us. My wife has gotten mad at me a few times... Lol
I love it, but I am itching for some ICS.
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Hi guys, heard of this tab before but never found out the specs, and I gotta say, I'm impressed, and it has great support here in xda (a virtuous Rom is good enough for me lol). So I was thinking of buying an iPad this year, especially if the 3rd gen comes out. But really, I'm getting tired of ios( I have an iPod touch), and I also have a galaxy tab 7(old one) which sucks completely. Also, where would be the best place to buy this quad core beast?
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Prime, no question. Which software you prefer - iOS vs. ICS - will likely come down as a matter of personal preference. Most people on this board will probably tell you they like the customizability and increased functionality that Android offers over iOS. But the hardware on the Prime is superior as well:
- Better, sharper, and wide-screen display
- Camera is head and shoulders better (arguably the best tablet camera on the market)
- Tegra 3 is a beast
- Ports - expansion slots, HDMI, and USB (with dock) all give the device much greater flexibility and functionality.
- The dock - this thing is way more awesome than a bluetooth keyboard
- FLASH. Apple and Google can pretend it doesn't matter, but we all know that the internet is a lonely, porno-less place without flash.
Plus, I love the spun aluminum design. The iPad is a pretty piece of kit, but the Prime beats it with the spun aluminum and widescreen aspect ratio. The iPad's 4:3 makes me feel like there isn't much difference between holding it in "portrait" or "landscape," whereas the Prime offers two distinct viewing experiences, each offering their own benefits. Don't worry so much about all the talk about wi-fi problems - they seem to be limited to a minority, and you can always take it back for a new one if you encounter problems. Plus, that's why you have the friendly folks of XDA to help
really depends the type of person you are....
for example.... im a straight up hacker, i hack everything i get my hands on..... thats why i chose the prime.... im dying to mod this thing completely....
HOWEVER, the ipad has way better software..... it all depends what you want.... either mod or nice apps....
i'm mostly talking about really good apps to make music on the ipad that the android dont have
In reviews, the prime out performs the ipad2 hands down. Easy choice.
Definitely get the Prime, its amazing, and much more fun than an iOS device which you run out of neat little things to figure out in about 5min. Also don't get too turned off by all of the problems on this forum because people use the forums for support so there will always be tons of issues on here, many of which are only caused by users f**king around with unofficial updates they found online. As far as hardware and software I have had no major problems that went unresolved, my wifi and Bluetooth are also great.
At first i would have said neither (hate ipads) but on my 4th machine i think i got a fully working one, even picked up 10 sats which was a first.. now i would say almost definitely a prime.. sooner or later someone will add http://www.onskreen.com/cornerstone into their rom, that thing looks amazing..
Wait until the iPad 3 comes out before deciding. As of now the Asus Transformer Prime smokes the iPad 2 in terms of specs, but it's to be expected since the iPad 2 is a year old and the Prime is just a month or two. Meanwhile, the iPad 3 will have a Retina Display and either a quad core Cortex-A9 processor or a dual core Cortex-A15. Both options will match or maybe even beat Tegra 3.
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Definitely get the Prime, its amazing, and much more fun than an iOS device which you run out of neat little things to figure out in about 5min. Also don't get too turned off by all of the problems on this forum because people use the forums for support so there will always be tons of issues on here, many of which are only caused by users f**king around with unofficial updates they found online. As far as hardware and software I have had no major problems that went unresolved, my wifi and Bluetooth are also great.
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Well said!
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Honestly. Just go the store. Try each one, research reviews and what you like and go with it.
Prime users will give reasonable pro and con arguments. IPad users will just say 'ipad rules' and that's the end of their argument and troll other forums being all evangelical. Me hate Apple? Just a bit.
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Honestly. Just go the store. Try each one, research reviews and what you like and go with it.
Prime users will give reasonable pro and con arguments. IPad users will just say 'ipad rules' and that's the end of their argument and troll other forums being all evangelical. Me hate Apple? Just a bit.
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Bias much? There are just as many Android fanboys who simply say, "Everything from Apple sucks and everything with Android rules." Honestly, if you're going to ridicule Apple fans, at least don't stoop to their levels.
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Bias much? There are just as many Android fanboys who simply say, "Everything from Apple sucks and everything with Android rules." Honestly, if you're going to ridicule Apple fans, at least don't stoop to their levels.
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I think my biggest beef is what they charge for their products and it isn't always the latest and greatest technology.
I think my fav joke I heard was 'how do you know someone owns an Apple product?
Just wait. They'll tell you.
Wow guys thanks for all the quick responses! If I were to buy an iPad it be for the apps, but I am a hacker, and I think the prime suits me better lol. If the iPad 3 comes out then ill decide thanks!!
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Don't worry so much about all the talk about wi-fi problems - they seem to be limited to a minority, and you can always take it back for a new one if you encounter problems. Plus, that's why you have the friendly folks of XDA to help
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I love the prime very much. But I think this is a very misleading statement. Most everybody has horrible wifi from any sort of distance. In fact the minority is hands down the people who don't have this problem. Like I said, I love this thing, but I'll be very unhappy if Asus does not offer a hardware fix for all the problems we have, at some point.
Well obviously the iPad is the clear winner, duh
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1515179
Might as well wait and see what iPad 3 has to deliver
I had this debate when I was looking for the tablet and the only reason to get a ipad 2 is for the apps they have,I own both but to me the prime is alot more fun
And to me more productive when I go to class the dock is awesome
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.Prime hands down, future updates and mods will make this beast something even more beastly than can imagine, once Android OS evolves more and proper use of all 5 cores will be available then this will be a dream machine. The T700 is cool but i really don't see the point of a 1080p screen. If you want to enjoy 1080p then you do it on a TV min 40 inch or so.
Wish there was a way to expand or implement more RAM memory.
Asides from the GPS not working not even once, im so happy with this machine, and it has so much potential. My wifi is always good, battery is fine, all and all hardware is ok its just the firmware that needs improvement.
In the .14 firmware i had a total of 3 reboots and flickering many times.
So far .15 seems ok but its only been 1 day.
Surfing is great, recording is FANTASTIC, the recording sound is so nice also.
I love the that you can film in macro as well.
Keyboard dock is something unique to Asus in Android surfpads and it really is great, would be col if they maybe one day release a better dock with a larger battery and perhaps luminated keyboard with a on/off feature.
I couldnt be happier with this machine, i am going to send it back to see if they can replace it with the new batch that it coming but at the same time i am afraid because its running so great even tho its has some issues (asides from GPS).
Gonna change until i find the 'perfect' one
Best b-day gift ever
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I love the prime very much. But I think this is a very misleading statement. Most everybody has horrible wifi from any sort of distance. In fact the minority is hands down the people who don't have this problem. Like I said, I love this thing, but I'll be very unhappy if Asus does not offer a hardware fix for all the problems we have, at some point.
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This isn't true at all. I have a Prime and my WiFi is very nearly as good as my Windows laptop, and just as good if not better than my Galaxy S2 phone. People here complain about poor WiFi performance because they are looking for solutions, but I don't think people who at XDA members represent an unbiased or fair representation of the overall population of Transformer Prime owners.
As far as TF Primes with issues, only .57% of all Primes sold to date have been returned with WiFi performance listed as the problem. In general the return/complaint rate for the Transformer Prime doesn't seem to be very far out of line with the complaint rate for similar products which indicates that there are a lot of happy Transformer Prime users (myself included).
(source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57373634-94/putting-the-transformer-prime-in-perspective/)
Good sir, I would advise you to not contemplate obtaining an iPad. The reason for this is not that I, and many others advocate the fact that the iPad is a sub-par device in terms of both hardware and software, but because the iPad is simply does not entrust the consumer any flexibility to accomplish what they desire. Apple has a pattern of perpetual arguments with the effervescent jailbreakers that constantly publish transient workarounds; these aforementioned conflicts greatly limit the updates of the device so that the user experience cannot and will not have the fluidity that you apparently so desire. However, if you wish to imprison your being within the garden of apples creation, then I implore you to leave this internet site at once for this place is not one made for bigots or conformists who aspire to become hipsters. If you have ascertained that the iPad is the device that you find transcendent, then I have no more words for you but the greatest form of pity. Moreover, if you find my erudite admonition too strenuous to interpret, then attempt to comprehend the following:
Yo, don't get dat ipad cuz it be not good. Yo da tf has so much mo features so get dat **** now.
Good sir, I would advise you to not contemplate obtaining an iPad. The reason for this is not that I, and many others advocate the fact that the iPad is a sub-par device in terms of both hardware and software, but because the iPad is simply does not entrust the consumer any flexibility to accomplish what they desire. Apple has a pattern of perpetual arguments with the effervescent jailbreakers that constantly publish transient workarounds; these aforementioned conflicts greatly limit the updates of the device so that the user experience cannot and will not have the fluidity that you apparently so desire. However, if you wish to imprison your being within the garden of apples creation, then I implore you to leave this internet site at once for this place is not one made for bigots or conformists who aspire to become hipsters. If you have ascertained that the iPad is the device that you find transcendent, then I have no more words for you but the greatest form of pity. Moreover, if you find my erudite admonition too strenuous to interpret, then attempt to comprehend the following:<br />
Yo, don't get dat ipad cuz it be not good. Yo da tf has so much mo features so get dat **** now.
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Hahahaha lolololol man very nice!! Even though I'm kinda a hipster, but I don't like apple that much
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I was catching my self up on the latest iPad news, and noticed that neither the new iPad or the iPad 2 WiFi models have an RF window, yet seem to have no issues at all. Anyone care to explain how they accomplished this, and why it works so much better than our primes?
don't believe that. ipad2 had plenty of the same wireless issues. especially wifi. there are tons of apple threads on it. plus wifi only Ipad has no GPS
as far as the new Ipad goes, no one knows. its not even out yet so no one has even had the chance to see. so it isn't like ipad2 got it right. because it didn't. several long threads just like in here on ipad2 wifi issues. Google ipad2 wifi issues or wireless issues and see a ton of hits pop up. plus their problem affected way more users. like a huge number. check it out.
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plus their problem affected way more users. like a huge number. check it out.
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Not trying to be antagonistic, but even problems which show up in a tiny, tiny fraction of iPads will affect a larger number of users... simply because there are exponentially more iPads than TFPs.
The real question is, what proportion of iPads have WiFi issues compared to the proportion of TFPs that have WiFi issues.
Also, from my understanding, the Apple logo on the backside of the iPad is made of plastic. Potentially an RF window.
The logo on the ipad is the RF window and its patented apparently
My Mrs ipad2 has the same WiFi coverage as my new TF201, up in our room its possibly the worst the signal gets in my house and both of us get 1 bar, but i can still stream a movie without issue, she also can stream iplayer etc without problems.
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The logo on the ipad is the RF window and its patented apparently
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Came here to say this.
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Not trying to be antagonistic, but even problems which show up in a tiny, tiny fraction of iPads will affect a larger number of users... simply because there are exponentially more iPads than TFPs.
The real question is, what proportion of iPads have WiFi issues compared to the proportion of TFPs that have WiFi issues.
Also, from my understanding, the Apple logo on the backside of the iPad is made of plastic. Potentially an RF window.
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actually a very large percentage compared to overall units. it was several hundreds of thousands of units. we talked about it and linked it in another thread. can't remember which one. but look at the OP of Gary's Wifi/BT thread. he links the official apple forum in there that has all the info and gripes on ipad2 wireless performance in there.
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actually a very large percentage compared to overall units. it was several hundreds of thousands of units. we talked about it and linked it in another thread. can't remember which one. but look at the OP of Gary's Wifi/BT thread. he links the official apple forum in there that has all the info and gripes on ipad2 wireless performance in there.
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Fair enough.
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Came here to say this.
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actually a very large percentage compared to overall units. it was several hundreds of thousands of units.
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Not to argue that Apple didn't have wifi issues, they DID, and probably as high or even higher a percentage than TFPs have. But you do realize that even if it was 500,000 units with issues, that's less than 1% of total units sold? Even if a million units had problems we're still talking a couple percent. Hell the iPad 3 is estimated to sell a million units the first day of sales.
It's very easy to get a skewed sense of proportion looking at forums. We see what seems like a lot of people here with WiFi issues and it makes it feel like the TFP has a lot of Wifi issues overall.
First, the people here are the exception, not the rule when it comes to what we do with our devices, how hard we push them and how much we know about the specifics of their functions. People here know which apps are best to use to test the wifi connections, they stress test the wifi to see how much it drops off at what distances, they try and use BT/WIFI/GPS in different combinations to see what effects what, etc. We're the 10%ers (if not 1%ers), the other 90% of TFP owners take their tablet, do some web browsing, watch a movie on their bed 10 feet from the router on their desk and love it. So we notice if there's even a small variation from ideal; and of course report it to try and fix it or to see if we just have a bad unit and need an RMA or whatever.
The second issue relates to the first in that even if there are a large percentage of TFPs with issues unreported by the 90% it's because the issues we are reporting aren't really issues for a vast majority of users. A weak wifi normally doesn't matter when your router is no more than 20 feet from any point in your apartment. What we consider dealbreakers many if not most never even notice. Which isn't to say the issue doesn't exist just that we may be emphasizing it's importance based on our XDA perceptions.
Finally there's the vocal minority issue. If you look at all the Wifi issues threads here and even on the apple forums and such I think you'd find that the actual number of people reporting problems is far less than you'd guess just based on perception reading the forum. It feels like a lot of people but I'm guessing here on XDA there's probably been less than 100 people that have specifically reported wifi issues that are major problems. But those 100 people speak up and loudly (as well they should at least on their own specific problem). Most prime owners that don't have issues never find this forum and never post about their lack of problems.
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I was catching my self up on the latest iPad news, and noticed that neither the new iPad or the iPad 2 WiFi models have an RF window, yet seem to have no issues at all. Anyone care to explain how they accomplished this, and why it works so much better than our primes?
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How do u know it works so much better than the prime???? did u own one? Buy one and see how it feel, then make the statement.
The ipad1 had a plastic apple logo, the radios were behind that.
The iPad2 had a perferated speaker "grill" type thing where the antennas were behind.
The new iPad likely has similar to iPad 2 but its not out yet. who knows.
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-nexus-10-review
>Finally a good review
>http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-nexus-10-review
No way!! A flagship Android tablet getting a good review from an Android site?! SHOCK!
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>Finally a good review
>http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-nexus-10-review
No way!! A flagship Android tablet getting a good review from an Android site?! SHOCK!
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IT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT SAYS EVERYTHING WE WANT TO HEAR. :angel:
>IT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT SAYS EVERYTHING WE WANT TO HEAR.
Hahah yeah exactly. Just as Fox News is good for conservatives and MSNBC is good for liberals. Actually, I shouldn't laugh; selective input is the scourge of today's society.
BTW, I did skim over abovesaid review. Typical fanboy drivel.
"...everything about the Nexus 10 just screams bad-ass."
"Tis a good time to be an Android fan."
And what would you like? It is a good time to be an Android fan and Nexus 10 owner to support the tablet app ecosystem. It's hard to come across a review, which would be written by a person not using either Android or iOS in everyday life, so there is always going to be bias in som sense.
Anyways, Jerry from AndroidCentral is very good with reviews and I believe that if there was something fundementaly wrong with the tablet, he would mention it.
>And what would you like?
What I would like is not to have to take some dude's word (confession: my opinion of the typical blogger is not high.) I'm conversant enough with the tech to make my own assessment. What I would like are hard data (basically numbers and specs,) plus any insight from the reviewer's firsthand use. The reviewer's opinion matters as well, if I can accord it credibility. I don't need the "oh it's great you'll love it trust me" rah-rah crap.
Now, I understand that many people prefer the assurance of an "expert," which I suppose include your garden-variety blogger. Given my iconoclastic bent, I sadly must part with such security blankets.
>It is a good time to be an Android fan and Nexus 10 owner to support the tablet app ecosystem.
It would be a good time for fans if N10 turns out to be successful and engenders a flood of tab apps. We are all hoping for that. But that has yet to happen, so please excuse while I go sit on the eggs.
I realize I'm fated to be the eternal pessimist, but selling N10 retail at $499 isn't the best formula for said success, IMO. That said, please don't let this Neg Nancy spoil your joy.
Really, I hope N10 does well. Rah rah.
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>And what would you like?
What I would like is not to have to take some dude's word (confession: my opinion of the typical blogger is not high.) I'm conversant enough with the tech to make my own assessment. What I would like are hard data (basically numbers and specs,) plus any insight from the reviewer's firsthand use. The reviewer's opinion matters as well, if I can accord it credibility. I don't need the "oh it's great you'll love it trust me" rah-rah crap.
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And what criteria was the AC review missing for you?
Specs: Check.
Personal observations: Check
Personal insight: Check
Specifications on the N10 have been out for weeks, not much more to cover there, but he did include them for the sake of article completeness.
He made fairly astute observations about how it felt in the hand, how it struck him aesthetically, how the device performed, etc.
So his "review crime" was prefacing the article with enthusiasm? He's discredited because he liked the device? That's pretty valuable information in the "insight" category as far as I'm concerned. Sure, it's subjective, but all reviews that are more than regurgitating specs are when you get right down to it.
Windows 8, for example, in purely objective review format, is superior to Windows 7 in every category. But actually using it on a non-touchscreen device will quickly bring to light its weaknesses. However, you really only get that sort of information from either hands-on use or (wait for it) subjective reviews.
I like benchmarks as much as the next guy, and really appreciate sites like Anandtech that have a good methodology for testing. But, I don't buy ANYTHING based on a cold hard Anandtech-style review. Case in point, I don't own any Apple products.
>And what criteria was the AC review missing for you?
Nothing. There were no new insights gleaned--other than that the reviewer is a rabid Android fanboy. Most N10 aspects have already been revealed. The only unknowns remaining are left to the final build, which reportedly are being pushed out OTA as we speak. Hopefully, we'll get info for 4.2's multi-user acct and (possible) Miracast support tomorrow from reviewers.
>Specs: Check.
>Personal observations: Check
If only it were as simple as filling out a checklist, yes?
>Windows 8, for example, in purely objective review format, is superior to Windows 7 in every category.
There's little I can say here to one who has no clue what the word "objective" means. Perhaps you know what "oxymoron" means.
BTW, if Win8 were so awesome, Sinofsky wouldn't be packing his bag right now.
>I like benchmarks as much as the next guy
I don't, as benchmarks rarely matter outside of geek circles. But it's a piece of hard data, assuming proper methodology--which all too often is faulty. Anyway, there are many other important aspects not covered in the typical blog "review" (quotes intentional.) One good case in point is the universally rosy blog reviews of the Asus TF Prime, which turned out to be quite the opposite in real-world use.
>I don't buy ANYTHING based on a cold hard Anandtech-style review.
Anandtech has its pitfalls. Its forte is CPU architectures and traditional x86 desktop testing. Mobile devices and testing are outside of its core competency, and it shows. To wit: The Asus TF Prime was given a similar thumbs-up along with the rest of the blogging circuit. I've noted other lapses. Regardless, its reviews are usually detailed enough, benchmarks aside, that one doesn't have to lean so heavily on the reviewer's judgment. Per the homily: Show me, don't tell me.
In case it's not clear by now, it's more important to review the reviewer than the object being reviewed, because once you know the first, you know the second.
So now we are cherry-picking reviews?! This reminds me of a certain presidential candidate who decided he wasn't really behind, the polls just needed unskewing
And Anandtech rocks! Always has always will
If most of the reviews say its a nice device with so so viewing angles and average battery life then I'm inclined to believe them. And nobody will argue with the fact that that Android tablet App selection needs work compared to iOS.
That said, Apple is an arrogant ****e company and their saint Steve was a prick who never cared about anyone but himself so for me its an easy choice.
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More Good Reviews
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/nexus-10-tablet-is-a-solid-house-built-on-shifting-sands/
dakine said:
That said, Apple is an arrogant ****e company and their saint Steve was a prick who never cared about anyone but himself so for me its an easy choice.
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"These products are crap because I don't like the guy who made the company"
How about coming up with a sensible reason,
e.g. "I don't want an iPad because I find iOS to be a bit stale, and I like to be able to tinker with my devices.
Pretty sure how a dead guy acted/ how a company acted wouldn't usually affect your product choices, so stop being silly about apple being apple and instead point out the flaws in the tech rather than the company.
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"These products are crap because I don't like the guy who made the company"
How about coming up with a sensible reason,
e.g. "I don't want an iPad because I find iOS to be a bit stale, and I like to be able to tinker with my devices.
Pretty sure how a dead guy acted/ how a company acted wouldn't usually affect your product choices, so stop being silly about apple being apple and instead point out the flaws in the tech rather than the company.
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Unlike silly fanboys I look objectively at the pros and cons of a product. I stated that the iPad was still a bit better tablet than the nexus and clearly listed why. If a company's policies, leadership and general attitude bother me then I don't want to buy their products, so it most definitely affects my product choices. I don't need any other reason than that. I'm soooo sorry if that's not sensible enough for you
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