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I've been using touchscreen phones (featurephones, Symbians and Android) for a few years now and sometimes I really feel like throwing my O1 in the garbage bin and going to the store to buy a solid phone with a hardware qwerty keypad, strong battery and good call quality. The only thing that keeps me from doing that is the fact that I'm kinda addicted to internet browsing and no non-touchscreen phone can do this job like a touchscreen smartphone.
I'm pretty tired of charging my phone every night (when I'm at home this doesn't really bother me but when I'm in a trip it's really annoying), having problems with quick dialing and messaging when I'm behind the steeringwheel.
They say that once you get used to a smartphone you won't want to go back. I used two WinMo HTCs many years ago and returned to Nokia S40 devices because I was so sick of crashes and lagging in simple tasks. Nowadays these smartphones are much more faster, ballanced and user-friendly but they still can't replace the reliability of an old-fashioned feature-phone.
Another problem is that sometimes, when I'm going out with my friend or when I'm at a course in college I'm being stupidly captivated by my phone (playing a stupid game or browsing the net) and I'm starting not to like this but I can't help it sometimes.
My mother uses a Nokia E71 and I must say that I really envy that phone's build quality, battery life and call quality. I'm thinking more and more lately to exchange my O1 for an E71/E72 this way also putting an end to my stupid phone-addiction and going back to using a phone the way it's supposed to be used.
I'm starting this thread not to seek advices but just for conversation's sake, I'm curious about what you have to say about your experience with these smartphones
Not missing. Still have a bunch of those. E.g., my about 10yrs old Nokia 6310i lasts for 5-7 days of normal usage (call/SMS) so if I expect to be unable to charge this smart toy for a couple of days, I just take the old brick with me.
I kinda agree with you. I preferred the way phones were before :/ Though we need to keep up with the ongoing technological progress. I've used about 20 phones before and out of most of them, I miss my Nokia 5630 the most, it had great battery life, superb sound quality and comfortable keys. I used to send super fast text messages without even having a glimpse at my screen, I loved that, specially while travelling. I like my O1 only because it is an android device. Had I known it had such an average (or even bad) sound output quality, I would have never bought it. Right now I have to carry my small iPod Shuffle 3rd gen just for music :/
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I kinda agree with you. I preferred the way phones were before :/ Though we need to keep up with the ongoing technological progress. I've used about 20 phones before and out of most of them, I miss my Nokia 5630 the most, it had great battery life, superb sound quality and comfortable keys. I used to send super fast text messages without even having a glimpse at my screen, I loved that, specially while travelling. I like my O1 only because it is an android device. Had I known it had such an average (or even bad) sound output quality, I would have never bought it. Right now I have to carry my small iPod Shuffle 3rd gen just for music :/
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Yeah, I also owned over 30 phones from wich I the ones I loved most were Nokia 6131 (great display for that time and superb keys), Nokia 7900 Prism (used it for almost two years, great build quality, nice OLED display and superb light notifications - I spent pretty much money, 1100RON, on it back then (equivalent of ~270eur now) ), Nokia 3100 (a phone which you could trust, bought it in 2004, still have it now, the power button doesn't work but if I repair it it would still work like a charm). I also loved the Motorola U6 PEBL (still have one), excellent design; pretty crappy as a phone but I simply can't hate it
Nokia made excellent phones back then, but nowadays sadly they don't.
About the sound quality, I'm also using a Samsung P2 player, the O1 is simply not satisfying. Movies on my O1 are also not an option if I'm on a trip and I can't charge it after.
Yeah, some how miss it... Was using Nokia 1600 when i was a child, after some years, i switched to a china phone due to the super attractive price. I really miss the physical keyboard... I can make a call while driving, SMS and taking photos...
But i must emphasize the fact that smartphone[especially my P500] really changed my life... Initially, i was using 5th gen ipod nano as my major music mp3, now i had transfered all my songs to my phone, simply because it is easier to gather all the things in one device rather than two. And the screen is way larger than the ipod!
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Yeah, I also owned over 30 phones from wich I the ones I loved most were Nokia 6131 (great display for that time and superb keys), Nokia 7900 Prism (used it for almost two years, great build quality, nice OLED display and superb light notifications - I spent pretty much money, 1100RON, on it back then (equivalent of ~270eur now) ), Nokia 3100 (a phone which you could trust, bought it in 2004, still have it now, the power button doesn't work but if I repair it it would still work like a charm). I also loved the Motorola U6 PEBL (still have one), excellent design; pretty crappy as a phone but I simply can't hate it
Nokia made excellent phones back then, but nowadays sadly they don't.
About the sound quality, I'm also using a Samsung P2 player, the O1 is simply not satisfying. Movies on my O1 are also not an option if I'm on a trip and I can't charge it after.
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Man you made me think about the old days, I even used to be a Symbian moderator back then at Noeman! I've had lots of Nokias: 3310, 3220 (first coloured screen), 3230 (first symbian phone), 6600, 6630 (first phone with decent speed on s60v2), 6680 (first 3G phone), n73 (first s60v3 with decent camera), n80 first wifi phone), N95 (a king ), 5700 (first really good music phone), N81 (first gaming phone), e51, 5630 (my fav), 5730 (I freaking loved that phone, but it got stolen ), 5800 (first s60v5 touch nokia). I don't like the SE brand, but still I had a K750i back in the days. I've sold most of them over time to buy new models, I never bought a really expensive phone.
P500 is my first LG phone.
Actually the thing is o1 has multiple uses. It's only 5% phone and rest 95% smart phone. I myself always carry another phone with me. O1 is my secondary phone but primary smart gadget.
O1/Android has so many features. Liking of features varies from person to person. For me the main features I use are tapatalk, Facebook, a little bit. each of twitter, internet, music, news, jokes, gaming, email, organizing and office apps.
These smartphones are being made considering the mindsets and likings of all people. Moreover, touch screens are in Vogue nowadays.
The features like, phone, messaging, internet, gaming, audio, video, GPS, wifi, office apps, organizing apps, cloud services, camera, theming, different uis, email, chatting, translation and multiple other apps cater to a large variety of populace.
So in one gadget, people with varying needs can be targeted. That's why Android is rising in popularity.
On second thoughts, when I engross myself too much in things like flashing roms, while ignoring the other priorities of life and the same flash doesn't work very well and messes up the system then, at times, I really get mad at me and ask myself what am I doing? Why am I wasting so much time with these flash things?? Though Nand backups make it a little easier to get back to your previous state, yet it isn't like it doesn't take any time.
In the end I would say you cannot say " f**k complexity " even if you are using devoid on this smartphone. These phones are far from the classic simplicity of old phones.
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Feature-phones are great for minimal features, simplicity and important functions like calling, texting and even emailing. More features leads to complexity of design and build as seen in the contemporary smartphones. I still have a Nokia X2-02 that is always with me and I only pocket my Android when I really need it when I go out. No one can beat the Nokia feature phones in build quality and battery life. Also they are very reliable.
I'm currently using a Nokia C2-01, alongside with my Nexus 4 (2 lines), and I personally think that a phone that for me is truly comfortable, still doesn't exist.
For the gadget carrier, this is a good grab. I recommend getting it from Amazon or Best Buy ($284 for 32GB).
I usually beta test iOS applications from time to time so I get some value out of owning an iPod Touch. I've honestly grown to liking it.
I've recently upgraded from the Black 4th Generation iPod Touch 8GB to a White 5th Generation 32GB model.
Owning a EVO & an iPod has allowed to juggle tasks & applications between both devices & gain more ground on the battery front for both devices.
While one is charging, I can also switch to the other. (Only recommended in WiFi areas)
Its great for those iOS exclusive moments when you need them, without giving up a superior phone experience from Android, especially as far as Google Voice is concerned.
It also kills the inner fanboy, its a healthy experience.
What I like about the 5th Gen model is:
It forces you into getting a decent amount of storage on it's lowest end configuration.
The cameras have been upgraded significantly & it is a very decent 5 megapixel shooter w/ flash.
The rear is no longer a scratch magnet.
Although the screen is bigger & the build quality is better, the device is lighter & thinner than the previous model.
Wireless performance seems to be x2 as good as before, no sure why it's significantly better but it is & shows. (VOIP / Wi-Fi Tether approved)
This charges insanely fast.
What could be a con:
If you had any Apple accessory investments, they're now screwed by the new connector.
No front mic (sure its not a phone but with Facetime present, a discreet video chat isn't possible on the iPod without headphones w/ mic.
Pricey
Color options: You can't get solid Red, Blue or Lime Green, each has a white front.
Neither Pro or Con:
Earpods (Honestly you should buy/own a pair of Shure, Klipsh, Etymotic, V-Moda etc.) I haven't used or tried them.
Lanya- *cough* "Loop".
Siri
No GPS (uses Wi-Fi triangulation?) If you're tethering to anything it's very accurate, I'm not going to use any Turn by Turn service with it though.
Maps (You have a flagship Android, you should never even open this travesty outside of jokingly playing with it, the location previews are pretty nice & the niceness ends there.)
Thanks for your input! I currently have a 32gb 4th gen black iPod Touch and my girlfriend has the white one. We are both avid Android phone users, have been since launch and never bought an iPhone, but like having the access to IOS at times. Used to be needed more as IOS had many apps/games that weren't available on Android, but Android is catching up VERY fast and I rarely even use my Touch any more! I also have a 16gb iPhone 4 that used to be on AT&T, but it's never been activated by me. I simply used it as another iPod Touch because it has the nicest screen of the two, and having the mic is nice for making free calls with Textfree(now Pinger) when my phone was charging or I was in a game and didn't want to stop playing just for a phone call.
That said, I've been considering selling both and buying the Touch 5. Just don't know if I'll use it as much as I used to use the Touch 4 and iPhone 4. Of course that's a decision I'll have to make. Also considering buying a Nexus 7 with the cash from the sales. Just not sure how much I'll put it to use either though, since I already have an Asus Infinity(TF700T) which is 10". I think I would like having a more easily portable Android tablet though, and its also made by Asus(who I love), like my Infinity and previous Prime, and has the same processor as my Infinity, just clocked to a slower speed. The development community is also great and quite large for the Nexus 7.
I've always thought the Touch 4 has a pretty nice camera. Used it more before getting the Evo 3D, and the LTE, which has a stellar camera! How does the camera of the Touch 5 compare to the 4? Also, is the display really that much nicer? Of course it's larger and has better specs, but is it that noticeable in daily use? Guess I just need to go to Best Buy with my Touch 4 and compare it to the 5.
Anyway, thanks for starting this thread, stating your thoughts, and for answering my questions.
EDIT: Sorry for the super long post!! It's just something I've been thinking about recently and this is the first time I've got it off of my chest, lol.
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I use it more (new device syndrome) take it with a grain of salt.
The camera is literally 5 times better, its slightly better than the iPhone 4S's camera & its FF camera is better than the iPhone 5's with color.
Performance is definitely noticeable but the screen is more so, as it its the same display as the iPhone 5's screen. Unlike the 4th gen which had its own, cheaper screen.
For support sake & resale value, I highly recommend it as an upgrade.
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I've been extremely happy with my Evo LTE, but I've been off of contract since last October and was due for any upgrade. I didn't want to drop down $200 for a new phone unless I was convinced it was something I wanted to keep for the next 2 years. I had read a bunch of positive stuff about the One and was intrigued by the 4 "ultra-pixel" camera. I used the camera on the Evo LTE a lot and thought it was one of the best I'd seen on a phone, but the great low-light ability and the zero-shutter delay of the One sounded like promising. Long story short... last week, I picked up one from Dell mobile for $29.99 plus a set of Beats ear-buds and a $50 gift card ( sweet deal, right?). The phone is fast enough and the call quality is very good, but the camera plain and simple... sucks. It's decent in low light, but it doesn't nearly make up for the terrible blurriness and lack of detail. In all serious, my 3.2MP camera from 13 years ago embarrasses the shooter on this phone. The only way I could see this being acceptable is by people who never view their pictures on anything larger than the phone screen and use the camera for stuff like Intragram or Facebook. Thinking about printing out an 8x10? Forget it.
I thought for a while that the phone was defective, but a quick Google search for "HTC One blurry" and a less than encouraging pep talk from the manager at the local Sprint store ("You can't expect the same quality as the Evo. It's only 4 MP!") convinced me otherwise.
So, if you want to take nice pictures and are due for an upgrade, I strongly suggest steering clear of the HTC One. The ultra-pixel might be a solid performer in the future, but for now it's a huge step backwards.
The attached of the car are from the One taken today, and the ice sculpture was taken in 2000 with a Nikon 3.2MP camera.
If youre looking for incredible quality get a damn camera.
For $29.99 the One is a catch and a half.
You buy Beats Headphones and actually listen to Sprint reps.
I dont trust your opinion.
And this has to do with the LTE how?
I read a lot of reviews and opinions here about the Z5C that are from people that were or still are using a Sony device. The Z5C is usually compared in terms of the Z3C or even the Z1C. Those comparisons are good if you own those devices, but I have no prior contact with Sony. My current device is a Moto G (1st Gen).
So I'd like to know what people who had no prior contact, or at least not in the past years, with Sony say about the phone. How does it feel and how much "crap" is on a Sony phone compared to a Nexus or Motorola phone? How good/bad are the Sony-Apps ? What "oddities" do Sony phones have?
Thanks for your opinions.
I came from a Moto G (2nd Gen) to the Z5C which is my first Sony phone. So a similar path to what you are considering. It comes with way more "crap" on in than the Motorola did. Where my Moto G (2nd Gen) might have had 5 Motorola utilities, the Z5C has maybe 30. Many of them are app/tools that seemingly connect you into the Sony Sphere. PlayStation stuff, Dinosaur images pop up in the camera you can stamp on your photos and super cheesy Japanese schoolgirl emoticons for your text input.
If you like the clean native Google apps such as Gmail, Calendar, Photos messaging and so on you will find yourself having to disable the Sony versions.
One oddity my Z3C has is that is is fussy about which micro USB cable will charge it. So if like me you have a collection of micro USB cables and chargers from previous phone they may not all work. I guess this may be due to tighter tolerances required water proofing the charge port. Not a biggy but worth knowing.
I find the Xperia Keyboard gesture input (aka Swype input) to be a PITA. Miss rate is too high and deleting errors is tedious. Shame becuase it works very well on other phones.
Small size is great. Can easily slip it in a front trouser pocket.
BUT I have yet to feel "vibrate on for calls" when it is my pocket. When someone does call when Z5C in pocket when I am doing somehting noisey like mowing a lawn, I dont feel the vinration alert, it seemingly wakes the phone and thereafter movement leads to random screen presses. So when I eventually retrieve it form my pocket an hour later the screen is still on and it is in some weird screen such as the camera or emerg dialer. Perhpas I am missing something here though. Oh and definitely don't buy it for the camera if you are expecting a point and shoot with a high % of great shots.
That's my thoughts.
Coming from a nexus 5, I love this phone! Never charge it from the mains only from my car every day(1 hour commute each way) and it keeps going strong! Pretty quick and feels good.
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Coming from Samsung S3
This Z5 is very bad...unstable sw, no optimization, really slow...bleah! I think i will never buy again a sony device. Oh...customer care is bad too.
Camera is slow and poor quality, GPS is very inaccurate, BT disconnet and reconnect every 15 secs (i think the problem is trhow but i can't disable it...)
So...i'm not a satisfied user..
Thank you all for your replies.
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I came from a Moto G (2nd Gen) to the Z5C which is my first Sony phone. So a similar path to what you are considering. It comes with way more "crap" on in than the Motorola did. Where my Moto G (2nd Gen) might have had 5 Motorola utilities, the Z5C has maybe 30. Many of them are app/tools that seemingly connect you into the Sony Sphere. PlayStation stuff, Dinosaur images pop up in the camera you can stamp on your photos and super cheesy Japanese schoolgirl emoticons for your text input.
If you like the clean native Google apps such as Gmail, Calendar, Photos messaging and so on you will find yourself having to disable the Sony versions.
One oddity my Z3C has is that is is fussy about which micro USB cable will charge it. So if like me you have a collection of micro USB cables and chargers from previous phone they may not all work. I guess this may be due to tighter tolerances required water proofing the charge port. Not a biggy but worth knowing.
I find the Xperia Keyboard gesture input (aka Swype input) to be a PITA. Miss rate is too high and deleting errors is tedious. Shame becuase it works very well on other phones.
Small size is great. Can easily slip it in a front trouser pocket.
BUT I have yet to feel "vibrate on for calls" when it is my pocket. When someone does call when Z5C in pocket when I am doing somehting noisey like mowing a lawn, I dont feel the vinration alert, it seemingly wakes the phone and thereafter movement leads to random screen presses. So when I eventually retrieve it form my pocket an hour later the screen is still on and it is in some weird screen such as the camera or emerg dialer. Perhpas I am missing something here though. Oh and definitely don't buy it for the camera if you are expecting a point and shoot with a high % of great shots.
That's my thoughts.
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I actually never use the original cables since I have set up a "charging station". Which cables does the Z5C not accept? Is there a pattern?
And I'm not buying this for the camera, I have a DSLR for that
Tuonorosso said:
Coming from Samsung S3
This Z5 is very bad...unstable sw, no optimization, really slow...bleah! I think i will never buy again a sony device. Oh...customer care is bad too.
Camera is slow and poor quality, GPS is very inaccurate, BT disconnet and reconnect every 15 secs (i think the problem is trhow but i can't disable it...)
So...i'm not a satisfied user..
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Do you have the newest firmware ? AFAIK a few things should have been fixed with the latest update. What experience do you have with the customer care ?
ricostuart said:
Coming from a nexus 5, I love this phone! Never charge it from the mains only from my car every day(1 hour commute each way) and it keeps going strong! Pretty quick and feels good.
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How was the Z5C in terms of "snappiness" compared to the Nexus ?
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Do you have the newest firmware ? AFAIK a few things should have been fixed with the latest update. What experience do you have with the customer care ?
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Yes, last fw: 32.0.A.6.152
Customer care have reset the phone 4 times. Each trial did not resolve the problem. In the end they told me to bring it to service but they had no idea of the repair time and they not given me any temporary phone.
My phone has only one month and i need it for work...i can't stay weeks without it. For a 600$ phone i think this is unacceptable.
At this time i have the same initial problems...
I hope in Marshmallow ...
Coming from Moto G first Gen (falcon)
Coming from Moto G 1st Gen. This is my first Sony Phone.
I am loving the Z5C.
Few things to note that that will give you an idea between the two phones
1. The flash on the moto g is noticeably brighter and warmer. Idc about cameras, but I find I use the flashlight a lot
2. The chip on the Z5C does feel much faster. Not sure how to describe it other than the UI on the Z5C being more "fluid"
3. The chip on the Z5C does get noticeably warm (but not hot) on the back under certain loads. E.g. running long sessions of RDP or installing lots of apps in quick succession or recording 4K video. Under normal use like browsing the web or watching youtube it does not get warm.
4. The camera is way better than the Moto G
5. The hardware feels really solid. It feels dense. I like it
6. The battery life is significantly better. At my usage, the Moto G will die at about 8pm or 9pm (taking off the charge at 7am). I have yet to kill the Z5C in a single day in my normal use
(my normal use usually has a few hours of music, and at least 4 hours of screen time)
7. The stereo speakers are much nicer, but the stereo effect is small, and they aren't not as loud as the moto g's single speaker
8. The max brightness of the Z5C's screen is about the same as the one on the Moto G. The min brightness is on the Z5C is lower though.
9 The physical dimensions of the Z5C is smaller in width and height. The Z5C does feel thicker because of its more boxy shape though
In terms of bloatware, there is quite a bit. I have a lot of apps disabled from settings or hidden (I use Apex)
There are some features that sony added that are nice though.
1. Built in screen recording
2. "Small Apps" - a bit like floating widgets
3. Nice audio optimizations that make my music experience nicer
4. Being able to customize the quick settings in the notification center
5. Battery percentage in the status bar (this is important to me )
6. The screen colours can be calibrated to your liking
Other things to consider
- The fingerprint sensor is pretty bad, but that could be just my fingers.
- The phone is really slippery compared to the Moto G. A case is highly recommended.
- Stamina mode - I havent tested if this has a positive effect on battery life, but i'm letting the placebo effect take place
- The microsd slot is nice for future proofing, although given that I had a 8GB moto g, and the Z5C comes with 32GB, Im not going to need a microsd in the near future.
- Water proofing
- Of the 32GB, about 10GB is taken up by the android system, and thus we cannot use for our own stuff
- I found the volume button placement on the Z5C wierd until I got used to it in less than a week. Unless you actively need access to it all the time, its not annoying
- I find that everything on screen is too large for my liking, so I have my DPI set to 280, the same as what I had on my Moto G
In response to some of the things said above:
- Bluetooth works fine for me. It has never lost connection to my Microsoft Band when I needed them to be connected
- I've used my Z5C with 3 different usb cables, none of them have a problem.
- Camera does launch slow if Photo Analyser Service is not disabled. The camera launches quite fast now (but admittedly not as fast as say an iPhone 6s)
- The GPS locks quicker than the Moto G, and has yet to be inaccurate for me.
I am really looking forward to Marshmallow
I hope that answers your questions. Sorry for long response lol
I have both nexus 6p and z5 compact. Previously had nexus 6.
I went for the z5c as it had wifi calling, and is a pretty small but powerful phone.
Notables, z5c is under-clocked, could be because heat dissipation on small device yielded unsatisfactory result, could be another one of those battery optimisation things.
It also seems to be on a conservative or power save profile, making it slow to start, but if you launch a game it gets into gear.
It was stuttering even with the OTAs of which i had received two, just a few days ago, even with factory resets it did not go away.
I used the sony PC companion to do a full firmware flash, not an incremental OTA and it became pretty smooth and slick to use again with all 0.5 speed animations and about 20 apps installed. I also disabled all of the original media apps and extra Sony stuff and use my own, poweramp and mxplayer is all i really need.
Pretty good experience to use now. Too bad about it using some sort of powersave profile even with stamina disabled. Good thing i have an nexus 6p to play with too.
you5urf said:
I used the sony PC companion to do a full firmware flash, not an incremental OTA and it became pretty smooth and slick to use again with all 0.5 speed animations and about 20 apps installed. I also disabled all of the original media apps and extra Sony stuff and use my own, poweramp and mxplayer is all i really need.
Pretty good experience to use now. Too bad about it using some sort of powersave profile even with stamina disabled. Good thing i have an nexus 6p to play with too.
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Coming from the N5:
Disadvantages:
- Much less free RAM (N5X also has this issue, I think it's related to Android 64 bits).
- Much lower photo quality
Advantages:
- 200% or much more battery life.
- overall quality
- vídeo quality
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I am coming from the HTC One M7 which can be considered an old phone now I guess.
Good:
-Battery life finally gets me over the day and sometimes into the second.
-Better camera, but by far not great.
-Better display brightness
Bad:
-Sonys Android design looks like a toy. It lacks the beautiful HTC Sense look and features.
-Even with the latest firmware and fresh format its doesnt feel any fast than the old HTC One. Sense had a nicer flow overall.
-In general, switching between apps is not faster, once in the app, the processor surely shows its power. Antutu gave me 31k on HTC One and 62k on Z5C, so technically twice as fast.
-Having the phone in the front pockets of your jeans just looks stupid with the hard edges. The HTC one with its beautiful round design was basically invisible in your pocket.
The HTC One was far from perfect and had its issues, but my heart is still with that phone and I dont beleive I am gonna buy another Sony phone. I wanted a small powerful phone, but its not easy to like this phone I am afraid.
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I am coming from the HTC One M7 which can be considered an old phone now I guess.
Good:
-Battery life finally gets me over the day and sometimes into the second.
-Better camera, but by far not great.
-Better display brightness
Bad:
-Sonys Android design looks like a toy. It lacks the beautiful HTC Sense look and features.
-Even with the latest firmware and fresh format its doesnt feel any fast than the old HTC One. Sense had a nicer flow overall.
-In general, switching between apps is not faster, once in the app, the processor surely shows its power. Antutu gave me 31k on HTC One and 62k on Z5C, so technically twice as fast.
-Having the phone in the front pockets of your jeans just looks stupid with the hard edges. The HTC one with its beautiful round design was basically invisible in your pocket.
The HTC One was far from perfect and had its issues, but my heart is still with that phone and I dont beleive I am gonna buy another Sony phone. I wanted a small powerful phone, but its not easy to like this phone I am afraid.
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I'm also coming from a HTC ONE M7 and I'm feeling exactly as you. I have had the phone for 5 days now and I'm seriously considering to sell it and keep using my M7 since I'm seeing the same things than you see.
I have great expectations for this phone but now that I have it, I'm a little bit disappointed...I don't know if it's cause I'm so use to my old phone or cause my old phone is sooo good that I don't see anything new or improved on the z5c...maybe expect for the waterproofing things.
I'll give it another week to see If I can fall in love with it...maybe when the custom roms start showing up I'll start to see the advantages of changing.
I've been used some HTC and got a Z1c and S6. Guys plz give sometime to this phone, my S6 also took a couple of months to improve before got satisfy result. I believe Android 6.0 will give a new life to this phone.
I've only experienced Apple's devices so I came over from an iPhone 3G, iPhone 4S and then an iPhone 6S. I absolutely LOVE this sucker. And I must have gotten very lucky because I haven't seen any of the issues that others have.
Pros:
1. Fascinated by the Android OS. There's just so much you can do with it! So much more freeing than Apple's IOS. They both have a few positive and negative quirks, but I'm not really missing IOS that much. I did miss the Safari left/right swipe browser initially, but found out about the Rbrowser app with built in ad-block and the swipe feature, and couldn't be happier.
2. The device is quick. Compared to my iPhone devices haven't experienced nearly as much lag even under load.
3. I love the camera and video. Takes far better pictures and video than any camera I've ever used before, and with the latest update, the menu selection is so easy to use. I think the side button to open the camera app is a genius. I also never experienced the blur issue that a lot of others complained about.
4. The size and look of the device totally compliments me. I find modern phones like the Galaxy S6 and the iPhone 6S way too big and clunky. This device is exactly the right size. Slightly larger than my old 4S, but still comfortable to hold, and type one handed with. I also absolutely love the sharp right angles on the phone. I dig the thickness of the Compact, and I love the bright punky yellow of the case color I selected.
5. The fingerprint scanner is so fun to use. I had one on the 6S that worked maybe slightly better, but that's only because there was more surface area to press, but still having a fingerprint reader makes me feel like a spy a bit.
6. I haven't had any issues with the heat of the phone. It gets warm, but after a month of use, I've never experienced it getting warmer than the 4S or the 6S even while playing graphic intensive games, using the GPS, or recording video. It never gets warm while browsing websites, or doing day to day smartphone things.
7. The device did have a little bit of bloatware, but then, so did Apple's devices. Removing/disabling the bloat was easy to do.
8. So far no unexpected surprises. The alarm works. the phone rings and vibrates as it ought. The apps all open fine. I get all my expected alerts and then some. Messaging works fine. The screen is bright and easy to read and watch. I love the little FM radio app (though I don't use it too much). Haven't had any issues with the GPS. Everything does what it's supposed to do.
Negatives:
1. Coming from devices with only one bottom speaker, I thought that having two front facing stereo speakers would make this device monster loud....it isn't. In fact, it's slightly quieter than the 6S (though louder than the 4S). That said, I do love the stereo effect, and I think having so many audio controls is awesome. I just wish the device was a bit louder. Hopefully when the device becomes rootable I can find a fix for that.
2. The boot up time on this device is pretty slow. From powered off, the 6S starts up in a matter of a couple seconds. It takes like half a minute or longer for the Z5 to start up. Course, this isn't much of an issue most of the time since the device doesn't usually need to be powered off or restarted.
3. The iPhone 6S 3D touch is pretty amazing, and I can see them doing some cool things with it over time. There was nothing about it that was super amazing while I had it. No apps to really take too much of an advantage of it yet, but I can see that it'll be awesome to have some time down the road.
4. The voicemail was a bit odd to set up. I'm used to Apple's easy voicemail integration that just works out of the box. For this device I had to download and setup a "visual voicemail" system that I'm not used to, and that I found a bit annoying.
My first Android phone was a Sony xperia mini. Was worse than Motorola Milestone (gsm droid) that replaced it. I since moved onto Samsung original Galaxy S and then Galaxy Nexus. Then the original Moto X dev edition which is the same size as this Z5C. I love the form factor. Ever since the Nexus 6 which I have one of those, Moto is obsessed with phone size. The Nexus 6 was named Shamu for a reason. I am hoping the just under 5" phones are not s dying breed because this device is the perfect size for me. I also like the subtle tweaks Sony does with their ROM compared to vanilla stock. Its also a fast device and I like the build quality compared to the Samsung devices I have owned. Those are my thoughts anyway.
Hi,
I'm selling my Z5 Compact under MM. The decision was hard because I kinda love the fingerprint but...
The battery is a complete joke, it doesn't last a day compared to my old Z3C which is far more better in everything,
The device gets warm and hot all the time, in any application I go (I have no games and I mostly use Google apps and Telegram)
The back camera glass protector has some problem, see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/help/dirty-camera-glass-protection-t3336230
I'm going to take back my good old Z3 Compact which is far more better.
And you ? Do you also share the same feelings about it ?
Before the MM update - yes, I felt the same. Since MM and the newest update mine has been great.
If it weren't for z3c side charging I would have never chosen the z5c. I'm holding onto mine for a bit longer until this HTC mini, s7 mini, and xiaomi mini release. Front facing speakers are keeping me from downgrading back to a mini Samsung for the time being.
And as far as battery life and heat issues I'm right on the same page. I've adapted to it for now by quick charging at lunch time to get me through the work day and clipping phone to me so I'm not burning myself in my pocket.
I am thinking about doing that too, but there are 2 things that keeping me from that, fingerprint sensor and camera! I don't know what to do, wait for S7 Mini,go for S7, wait for SONY to maybe fix issues of this phone or what else?
I think if only this phone had 3GBs of RAM we had no problem or even SONY used good old Snapdragon 801!
i had drain and heat problem until i shutoff 4G, now (3G.5HPSA) only dosnt need really need fast internet
now my phone is 40-90 hours average use , instand 12-30
i have 5.1.1 but maybe it will work also with 6, u can try
I am quite happy with the phones performance and battery life since MM, but I have now preordered the HTC10 and my neighbour is already waiting to buy the Z5C from me. If the HTC10 is as good as I beleive it is, I can overlook the fakt that I hate big phones in this case. Ive been a very happy HTC owner since the HD2 and lastly the M7. The Z5C is a great phone to me, but it will never be more than that. HTC usually managed to float my boat just that tiny bit better than the other brands
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I am quite happy with the phones performance and battery life since MM, but I have now preordered the HTC10 and my neighbour is already waiting to buy the Z5C from me. If the HTC10 is as good as I beleive it is, I can overlook the fakt that I hate big phones in this case. Ive been a very happy HTC owner since the HD2 and lastly the M7. The Z5C is a great phone to me, but it will never be more than that. HTC usually managed to float my boat just that tiny bit better than the other brands
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I used to be a big HTC fan until they went to the one series. They are supposedly bring an h10 mini out with flagship specs this year. Hopefully they don't disappoint like the last two minis, I want to go HTC again.
eivissa said:
I am quite happy with the phones performance and battery life since MM, but I have now preordered the HTC10 and my neighbour is already waiting to buy the Z5C from me. If the HTC10 is as good as I beleive it is, I can overlook the fakt that I hate big phones in this case. Ive been a very happy HTC owner since the HD2 and lastly the M7. The Z5C is a great phone to me, but it will never be more than that. HTC usually managed to float my boat just that tiny bit better than the other brands
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you know the HTC 10 has not stereo speakers anymore? only dual speakers one (lower) for bass and for top on high pitch
Z5C is kind the same thing BUT! still stereo , Z5C top speaker wave range of 150hz-22050KHz and bottom speaker is 500HZ-22050Khz (less bass)
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you know the HTC 10 has not stereo speakers anymore? only dual speakers one (lower) for bass and for top on high pitch
Z5C is kind the same thing BUT! still stereo , Z5C top speaker wave range of 150hz-22050KHz and bottom speaker is 500HZ-22050Khz (less bass)
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Dude, I dont care about that stuff. If I want to listen to music I get me a proper stereo and speakers or headphones. Any cellphone speaker sounds horrible.
What kind of personality disorders do people have these days to need a stabilized photosensor for selfies? Is a look in the mirror in the morning not good enough anymore? Million megapixels cellphone cameras still make crappy pictures in comparison to any 100€ camera Ive gotten my hands on.
Marketing makes us beleive that we need so many things in our cellphones, but in the end they usualy cant to one thing great.
I bought the Z5C because it was the only product available that offered highclass specs in a small phone. I dont like the design of it, the picture quality, speaker sound quality, sony customizations...you name it. Its a good phone for what it is. A phone. Snappy performance and 2 days on a charge make me a happy user.
The HTC10 is not compact, which I am not happy about, but it has a beautiful design and HTC Sense. Apparently it also has better sound quality if you connect good headphones to it and I like to listen to music with the best possible quality. This is an archievable goal in a phone btw...dslr picture quality isnt!
If someone builds a phone with the size of the Z5C (or even smaller), 1080p resolution, aluminium body/looks like the HTC One series, happily dumps the selfy camera and top-spec hardware, but little to no changes to stock android, then I buy that phone in a heartbeat.
The complete contrast for me is Samsung now. Make it huge, put useless features on it and customize it to the max. Full throttle marketing bull**** in my mind, but people seem to love it.
eivissa said:
Dude, I dont care about that stuff. If I want to listen to music I get me a proper stereo and speakers or headphones. Any cellphone speaker sounds horrible.
What kind of personality disorders do people have these days to need a stabilized photosensor for selfies? Is a look in the mirror in the morning not good enough anymore? Million megapixels cellphone cameras still make crappy pictures in comparison to any 100€ camera Ive gotten my hands on.
Marketing makes us beleive that we need so many things in our cellphones, but in the end they usualy cant to one thing great.
I bought the Z5C because it was the only product available that offered highclass specs in a small phone. I dont like the design of it, the picture quality, speaker sound quality, sony customizations...you name it. Its a good phone for what it is. A phone. Snappy performance and 2 days on a charge make me a happy user.
The HTC10 is not compact, which I am not happy about, but it has a beautiful design and HTC Sense. Apparently it also has better sound quality if you connect good headphones to it and I like to listen to music with the best possible quality. This is an archievable goal in a phone btw...dslr picture quality isnt!
If someone builds a phone with the size of the Z5C (or even smaller), 1080p resolution, aluminium body/looks like the HTC One series, happily dumps the selfy camera and top-spec hardware, but little to no changes to stock android, then I buy that phone in a heartbeat.
The complete contrast for me is Samsung now. Make it huge, put useless features on it and customize it to the max. Full throttle marketing bull**** in my mind, but people seem to love it.
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yup also one of the reason i bought this phone because its small, my previous phone was 3.5" sony with walkman WT19 , so even this one abit big for me, lol..
im mostly disappointed of
1.camera lens (plastic) can scartch easly and can ruin the shots
2.photos are noisy\blurry even with good light ,
3.phone heating fast, (even low end apps or, even 4G signal; if high end apps like asphalt 8 in 2mins its 50c\120F)
4.when phone get hotter it become slower ,
5.speakers are uneven and weak , loudspeaker awful, my previous phone was 4times louder didnt need it use of bluetooth in car, now i need...
6.didnt came with quickcharge QC adapter
7.didnt came with in-ear headphones
8.update the phone to MM make it worse battery and lags,camera*, didnt upgrade it yet*
still pretty fast phone with nice battery but not worth the price (mine cost about 800 US$ when i bought it)
My only problems with the phone are:
some hick-ups during normal operations
overheating
average camera
poor system customization options
Otherwise the phone is perfect. The battery is great, I've recently lasted two days (~10% when going to sleep on the 2nd day) with automatic brightness and 24h sync with mobile data, some sms and a few calls, I even played some Hearthstone on a bus. The battery seems to have problems on certain units.
Greets
EDIT:
Mine was 390 USD... gotta love Europe