Hey guys,
New to the board, new to the Ray. I used to frequent the Arc, Play, Nexus S, and Desire S boards under a different user name but I've not posted in a while so I've since forgotten my User info, so thought I'd make a new one.
Anyways...
I got my Ray, bought it out unlocked, and unlocked the boot loader. I was really excited to get my Cyanogen on and enjoy this beautiful device. Only...Cyanogen Rom for the Ray is HORRIBLE. The Camcorder is broken, the live wallpapers option is non-existant, and the control widget is completely useless for brightness control. Seriously, WTF is wrong with that ROM its is absolute garbage.
I can understand the Ice Cream Sandwich ROM being bug ridden, its early time, but at the very least I expected Cyanogen 7 to be fully functional. Geez.
Those are the only 2 ROMS I've tried so far, the rest look boring. MIUI I am not interested in, and outside anything that slightly alters the Stock firmware there is NOTHING AVAILABLE?
Where are the ROMS? Where is the support? Where are the quality developers?
All we have are half backed ideas, ROMS that don't work properly, and nothing else.
Maybe we should start up a fund and maybe donate a few Rays to some good developers that can actually provide because at this point, there is no point in using anything other then Stock Firmware.
The Ray is a capable device, similar to the Arc, there should be more support. I miss the great support that the Nexus S and the Desire S recieved. Especially the Desire S, the Developer from that board are truly amazing. Proxuser and Super kid were really really good developers, and we need developers like them who dedicate the time needed for quality ROMS. Our support is a joke compared to what they have, and I think we need to either put up some money or some incentive, like maybe donating a few Rays, to get the ball rolling.
I agree with you, it's pretty disappointing.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure the differences between Ray and Arc are minimal, so it's quite surprising that Arc gets tons of support and Ray gets basically nothing. Even more that inferior devices such as the Minis are more supported. Maybe the device is not selling well and not many people have it? I don't know.
Obviously I'm just a tinkerer and not a developer, so I don't know how hard it could be to port Arc stuff to Ray, but yeah, this devices needs more support. How to get it? I have no idea.
I think the stock rom is pretty good, I don't find any major problem with it, it look pretty good and it's decently fast (with Supercharger it's much better), so for now I don't really feel the need to install an unofficial one.
Also, many Arc mods to the interface work on Ray too, so check out those forums too and see if there is something you like. I installed the Xperia styled torch widget and the modded battery icon (with percentage) from the Arc board and they worked fine.
MarkMRL said:
I agree with you, it's pretty disappointing.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure the differences between Ray and Arc are minimal, so it's quite surprising that Arc gets tons of support and Ray gets basically nothing. Even more that inferior devices such as the Minis are more supported. Maybe the device is not selling well and not many people have it? I don't know.
Obviously I'm just a tinkerer and not a developer, so I don't know how hard it could be to port Arc stuff to Ray, but yeah, this devices needs more support. How to get it? I have no idea.
I think the stock rom is pretty good, I don't find any major problem with it, it look pretty good and it's decently fast (with Supercharger it's much better), so for now I don't really feel the need to install an unofficial one.
Also, many Arc mods to the interface work on Ray too, so check out those forums too and see if there is something you like. I installed the Xperia styled torch widget and the modded battery icon (with percentage) from the Arc board and they worked fine.
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Re-reading my initial post I may have sounded a bit harsh. Its just very very disappointing coming from a device that had a TON of support to one that has virtually none.
I will take your advice and check out some of the Arc's mods.
I've owned a ton of Android devices (Xperia x10, Captivate, 2 Xperia Arcs, Nexus S, another Xperia Arc, HTC Desire Z, HTC Desire S, and finally the Xperia Ray) and this is by far the worst support I've ever seen.
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Re-reading my initial post I may have sounded a bit harsh. Its just very very disappointing coming from a device that had a TON of support to one that has virtually none.
I will take your advice and check out some of the Arc's mods.
I've owned a ton of Android devices (Xperia x10, Captivate, 2 Xperia Arcs, Nexus S, another Xperia Arc, HTC Desire Z, HTC Desire S, and finally the Xperia Ray) and this is by far the worst support I've ever seen.
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I agree with you!...even my previous worst phone...Se X8...got tons of support ...i am really disappointed seeing Ray being put aside...
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What are you guys on anyway? The X8, since it was mentioned, was released 1 year ago. With 1.6 on it... there have been, what 4 different versions? And Gingerbread is sub par on it.
Regarding Adreno's note on HTC Devices.... As you are aware HTC makes phones for many companies, including T-mobile and Google. So most of these devices have almost the same internals. Hence development on those devices is really easy (you just copy paste files from one rom to another and bam you got your kang).
So on to the Ray... It was released 4 months ago. It has a different screen than most phones (480x854) so porting any generic rom onto it requires some smali editing skills. And... There is NO AOSP release for Xperia devices... at least so far. What makes other devices so "different" than the Xperia's is that some of them have been build on AOSP.
For example the DesireZ - Tmobile G2. One has Sense, the other is built on AOSP. So you have 2 completely different builds for the same device.
And some food for thought... Sony Ericsson needs about 6 months, an enormous team of developers and a ****load of money to build their own Firmware based on Already released Code. What makes you think you will see something "new" from some amateurs in less than 6 months time?
Yes i have built my "own" Rom based on the Stock Rom for the Xperia Active. I dont even consider my self an amateur. I am a total noob.
So, to finish this rant, since development for these devices is young, yet the android system as it is, is quite mature, I would recommend you to assist the people who have already developed a Rom for the Ray, in order to make something good from it. Creating a Thread in the development section, complaining about the development being "dissapointing"... then i rest my case.
/rant off
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So, to finish this rant, since development for these devices is young, yet the android system as it is, is quite mature, I would recommend you to assist the people who have already developed a Rom for the Ray, in order to make something good from it. Creating a Thread in the development section, complaining about the development being "dissapointing"... then i rest my case.
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I personally don't want "assisting" of the developers that have been working on the Ray thus far, as I said my original post I don't believe that they are up to the job.
I want to entice more talented developers. What can we do to bring experienced developers that know what they are doing to the Ray?
At this point, rooting and unlocking the bootloader is pretty pointless. You are screwing yourself out of over the air updates, and there is nothing that can fill the void from the development community thus far. What. is. the. point.
This is where you are wrong.
What do you actually want from a Rom? Speed? Stability? Battery Life?
I have managed to do all these with no real coding at all. The Xperia Active with DooMLoRD's Kernel and various tweaks that i found on XDA, when on max OC ranks between the Sensation and the SGS2. Both are Dual core with a far better GPU than the Adreno 205. Oh and the OC is completely bulletproof.
For the time being, the best developers for these devices is Sony herself. It is stable, and battery efficient. You on the other hand can make it more "personalized" and fitting to your needs... Gaming-browsing... whatever...
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This is where you are wrong.
What do you actually want from a Rom?
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Even if I had just Cyanogen working properly I'd be happy.
On the Desire S board Superkid had Ice Cream Sandwich ported (AOSP) to the desire S within 2 weeks, only being able to work on it on the weekends. Thats like 6 days.
On top of that, he had everything working flawlessly other than the camera by week 3.
Thats the kind of development I am talking about. Imagine how hard that was.
We don't have anything like that over here.
No it wasnt that hard. I say again. You need to be able to edit THE WHOLE DAMN BASE, if you want it in a different resolution than the one it was intended.
Yes some guys are simply amazing at what they do, but as i said earlier, most HTC devices use the same chipsets, boards, cpu's, modems etc. Sony uses a board (codenamed mogami i think) specific to the mini's. It uses a different one for the Ray, Play etc.
You will almost never have something like that. Be happy that the Cyanogenmod Team is actually working on these devices.
Hell, the mini's dont even have a MIUI build. Its either CM7 or Stock. But honestly i couldnt care less. I got bored of flashing a new rom every 2 weeks, just to see nothing different. The only difference was Sense 2.1 Sense 3.0 Sense 3.5. The rest ROMS use the same old AOSP build with an ADW launcher or a LPP on top... Big deal.
Now if someone gets sense on these devices... i'd be impressed
Complaint/rant threads about developers are not allowed at XDA. If you want something done, make it happen!
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I thought we could create a thread dedicated to the upcoming new android version regarding the Xperia mini/mini pro and Ray.
Maybe here we could gather information about release dates, user interface thoughts and ideas, features etc.
Sounds like a good idea?
Peace
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I somehow think that Sony might pull a "We believe our stock 2.3 rom is the best ever. We see no reason to update" like they did with their older phones, and save it for their 2012 range.
Yeah possible, but then again they have stated that all the 2011 models will get ICS, and hopefully they have learned from the disaster with the X10.
But after spending some time searching the forums I'm starting to think that your scenario is pretty possible, sadly...
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Yes, I think the same My second phone is x10 mini pro and SE end support his on Android 2.1. Reason? Thats the best for this hardware. Now I have alternative rom an android 2.3.7 and it work faster like stock rom 2.1 Thanks for devalopers from xda.
hopefully
if they dont release it for 2011 xperias , hopefully the epic cool devs here will, as a custom rom
i'm an x8 user and they had me stuck on 2.1 and if they ever do this again to me ( i plan to get the xperia mini pro ), idk then next time i'm buying a phone i will consider that SE is invisible and have no existence in planet earth anymore lol , regardless of what so ever "super cool" looking handsets they might have available at the time......
if you like Android 4.0 theme, you can use
ICS Launcher
https://market.android.com/details?id=mobi.SyndicateApps.ICSv2
it's free app
I guess they put out a statement on it, pretty vague. But Engadget interprets as SE confirming ICS
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/20/sony-ericsson-bringing-ice-cream-sandwich-to-xperia-handsets/
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I guess they put out a statement on it, pretty vague. But Engadget interprets as SE confirming ICS
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/20/sony-ericsson-bringing-ice-cream-sandwich-to-xperia-handsets/
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I'm quite confident that it will come, eventually. Don't hold your breath on when exactly that will be, though I'm sure CM will beat them to it.
SE firmwares are somewhat backward compared to firmwares provided by samsung or htc in their devices. (eg. No smart dialing in my mini pro). And the timescape UI lacks many features (I don't need five home screens, but can't change it). I hope they will improve such minor details in forthcoming updates.
I've just been re-reading the official Sony comparison of their Gingerbread and ICS offering. This time I've had the chance to read more properly all the things they said. For the first time I actually have sympathy for Sony. The manufacturers bring out phones (e.g. SE) with the Xperias 2011 all running Gingerbread from the very start, then the next Google upgrade wipes out the phones. I owned the 2010 X10 Mini and our phone got wiped out the same way. It seems to me that we consumers do not benefit. Anyone who comes to this forum is already a bit of tech. nut, we are a very small population of the whole market, of course we want to try what's new and hot. But in this blog, Sony is explicitly saying that ICS is much, much more demanding on system resources and that we will definitely see a fall in performance, they clearly reference longer boot up time, apps force closing and stalling as well as poor video performance for different reasons that they explain in the blog.
http://developer.sonymobile.com/wp/...nical-differences-between-gingerbread-and-ics
Now I want to wait before I upgrade and check out the news. A few new icons and wallpapers is NOT good enough reason for me to upgrade. Better battery is a good reason to wait, which in that blog, Sony says you will get with Gingerbread over ICS. Do we really benefit here? Do we have to buy a new phone every year now, because Google is bumping up the demands of Android, like Microsoft did with Windows Vista? Windows 7 has less requirements than Vista, only slightly, and 8 has the same requirements as 7 so at least we could use the same laptop/pc for a few years. With Google, the way they are doing this is screwing us over I think.
For you, stay with Gingerbread, move to ICS, not sure or want to wait?
Ray users say they havent experienced any major bugs... Battery is definitely poor for now.....
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I think on the minis and active devices we have the advance of having a smaller resolution area while having almost the same hardware as the other xperia 2011
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They are really both very good points: we can look to the current Sony beta roms for more clues and it is true, our smaller screen being powered by the same CPU is an advantage. Perhaps we Mini users will have the least trouble amongst the 2011 Xperias?
Gingerbread would still be the most dominant OS, due to its stability on most phones,
having a new OS or phone is not always the best option.
I really thank the devs here in XDA, they are keeping old phones alive,
giving us a chance to have a taste of the new flavor and further improving stock OS on current phones.
I just recently read about the Xperia S Rom ported to Xperia X10 here, how cool is that...?
I'll choose the custom ICS rom.. sony and other manufacturer has done nothing but giving us all those bloatware while calling it "feature" rather than craps. + I see upgrade as change in UI, but sony's ICS UI has not change much compared to GB
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you can always remove the bloatwares , though of course with custom roms we can do a lot of things which are still restricted even with a rooted stock rom
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I'll choose the custom ICS rom.. sony and other manufacturer has done nothing but giving us all those bloatware while calling it "feature" rather than craps. + I see upgrade as change in UI, but sony's ICS UI has not change much compared to GB
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If you want a different UI, just use a different home.apk? Just saying...
But yea i'm with the OP on these thoughts, have had the same thoughts for quite some time now. The thing is, we can make ICS faster on our devices just as we did with GB, but... How stable will the non-stock ICS roms be? Honestly I would rather see MIUI roms derived from GB as a base than ICS. A lot more stable with less bugs. Even the MIUI roms aren't AOSP based (as are official MIUI releases), they are FXP based roms. So, all in all we are between Stock and FXP releases.
I am not bashing on people working on developing MIUI and various ICS based roms, but like the OP, i'd rather have stability over "new features", such as full HW acceleration, which can be triggered using a variable in GB too (mind you that uses more juice).
I am going to seriously think about moving Spartan Rom from stock GB rom as a source, to stock ICS as a source.
Even if the battery consumption, which in my list of priorities for a fully functional rom is the highest in the list, is sub-par, I wont be switching over to ICS personally.
@drumraden if you see about other devices there are lots of stable roms are available (mostly aosp based, even I am using a stable custom rom for my Xoom)
We just need to give time to the devs to come up with stable ice roms.
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You don't get my point.
The only reason to build an MIUI from ICS sources, is for the **** of saying its ICS therefore updated.
Yeah as for battery drain, I'm afraid Sony says on that site above that battery will be less durable with official ICS. What a shame. The discussion here though is really making me thing about all of this.
Yeah I am seriously thinking of going back to gb as soon as there is a good miui rom I am right now on ics because there is only one really stable miui release for the lww and it is ics but i really prefer better battery life.
On the other hand I prefer ics over hb a thousand times on my tab but it has like 7 times the battery of my phone so I have no issue with that.
I'll prefer ICS when main apps start to requires ICS.
While the requirements surround the GB I'll stick with it.
But it's nice to know that if it occurs my phone will be ready.
That's why I bought my mini-pro.
Personally, I will first give it a try. Then we will see, if it deserves to stay on my LWW or not...
yup ... sure will giv official a try ... but the best rom on gb wud be miui .... is that project still going on or has been dumped ?
i think lasan is still currently working on the GB MIUI port...
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i think lasan is still currently working on the GB MIUI port...
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I like the sound of that....perfect functionality and stunning visuals, yes.
Yup it feels tooo good..... Had it on ace.... Beautiful and fast......
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I'm running Kamarush's ICS version for sk17i: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1434001
and that works like a charm. all features that I need on a daily basis, it's really stable, and it's super fast, so if SE say it's more demanding, than that's just not true. All the roms here are so much faster than stock, because here people care about the roms. it feels like the big companies just put something together but never care to optimize it. android's biggest advantage is the custom stuff.
I do feel sorry for anybody running stock software though
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I'm running Kamarush's ICS version for sk17i: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1434001
and that works like a charm. all features that I need on a daily basis, it's really stable, and it's super fast, so if SE say it's more demanding, than that's just not true. All the roms here are so much faster than stock, because here people care about the roms. it feels like the big companies just put something together but never care to optimize it. android's biggest advantage is the custom stuff.
I do feel sorry for anybody running stock software though
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One simple question... How much battery %/hour does the rom you have installed consume in standby mode with all radios except mobile turned off.
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Hi guys, seeing there are many good roms for ray thanks to the great developers present here in XDA. My friend is using galaxy y and i switch here and there sometimes, so i noticed this every rom developed for galaxy y has some difference in them even though they are generated from touch wiz, for example transparent interface and other stuff. Why all the roms for ray come with the sony or nova or apex launchers only and not any customized launchers and in xperia x8 section i saw htc port for xperia. So guys if you are planning to develope roms further for ray pls try to implement any one of these like sense,touchwiz ports etc...
thanks guys for reading this and i hope someone develops a rom with combined functionality cheers mates
Well, I had a Xperia X8 in the past (I killed it by trying to unlock the bootloader lol), and the "HTC port" is not more than Android Gingerbread 2.3.7 with a skinned launcher and official HTC wallpapers. Somebody said that it was not possible to port real Sense because X8 hardware limitations.
However, ROMS like CM7 were very well ported, before destroying my X8 I could use a CM7 based ROM (I think it was GingerDX) with everything working (even in locked bootloader), like AOSP lockscreen, moving apps to SD and fake multitouch (both things not possible with SONY official stock ROM for X8), etc.
Now, the reason of releasing ROMs with Xperia official Launcher is because most developers and users in this section are SONY fans I guess (that's why we got a SONY device). A friend of mine owns a Samsung Galaxy and touchwiz is not a big deal, it has some kind of nice stuff but at the end it's not 100% customizable. I mean, I didn't see anything awesome on it. In fact, my friend saw my Ray with JellySandwich and liked more than his own phone and now he wants to skin touchwiz to make it look like NXT lol.
I've read some comments about Sense, some people claim it's heavy and that's why they want to get rid of it and install AOSP over their HTC phones, but I exactly don't know if this is true 'cause I've never used one, but I can tell you that things from Sense like lockscreen and music player look good, I'd like to have them on my Ray.
In any case, I think Xperia developers should also have a Samsung or HTC device to start playing with it and try to port that stuff to Xperia, but honestly I don't see any big interest on it. I mean, currently ROMs are wonderful enough, JellySandwich, IceCream Pureness, Hybrid, etc...
Well for me I don't include those stuff cuz I choosed sony and I bought sony. That generally means I like sony.
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Well, this day should come soon or later.
I had a chance for trading my Xperia Ray for a phone with similar specifications, and I did.
I own now a LG Optimus Black (white version). If you guys check the specs of both phones you'll note that they're very similar, with only few differences. I miss the great quality of the camera, Optimus camera is crappy. But what I like most of this phone is the bigger screen and the unlocked bootloader, thanks to it I could install and taste (at last) Jelly Bean. Everything is working in a CM10 based ROM, the performance is very good, but the battery drain is a little bit faster than ICS, I guess this is caused by project butter.
That's why I don't understand why SONY won't give JB to our 2011 Xperias. I just can't believe that custom ROMs built by the community and devs are so good enough to use them daily, but SONY engineers can't (or don't want) to give Android 4.1 to Arc, Neo, Ray, etc. That has disappointed me a lot and it was one of the reasons to take the decision of trading my phone.
However, I still want to give a chance to SONY because, after all, I'm a fan and I love their devices (if you ask me, what I really like of this LG I own now is the unlocked bootloader and the screen, the physical design is ugly, so "iphoned"), so I'm waiting for CES this january 7th and see what they have to offer. I hope they don't disappoint us, and now SONY have to work harder since a new strong competitor is on his way: Ubuntu Phone. It really looks interesting, plus, I'm a Linux fan since 2004 and I've seen how this great system has evolved, until the point of being almost ready for smartphones. But I also love Android, so, we'll see.
Anyway guys, I can't say definitely "bye", I'm sure we'll meet again in some point, of course, If I decide to get another Xperia and if you also do and keep developing for these devices. For now I want to thank great developers such JJ doctor, MrTapa, arcatarc, xparanoidx, and everyone else (sorry if I don't mention all of you) for rescuing me of being stuck in Android 2.3.4 =P I learned a lot while I had my Ray and I was happy using 4.0.4 ROMs, your work is awesome and this community is just great.
So, see you later!
PS: pending projects (such banners and wallpapers) will be accomplished in sometime of the current year. Sorry about that, my free time is smaller now.
PS2: I post this here because most of the time I was in this section. But if moderators consider it's necesary to move it, OK.
El Brillantinas said:
Well, this day should come soon or later.
I had a chance for trading my Xperia Ray for a phone with similar specifications, and I did.
I own now a LG Optimus Black (white version). If you guys check the specs of both phones you'll note that they're very similar, with only few differences. I miss the great quality of the camera, Optimus camera is crappy. But what I like most of this phone is the bigger screen and the unlocked bootloader, thanks to it I could install and taste (at last) Jelly Bean. Everything is working in a CM10 based ROM, the performance is very good, but the battery drain is a little bit faster than ICS, I guess this is caused by project butter.
That's why I don't understand why SONY won't give JB to our 2011 Xperias. I just can't believe that custom ROMs built by the community and devs are so good enough to use them daily, but SONY engineers can't (or don't want) to give Android 4.1 to Arc, Neo, Ray, etc. That has disappointed me a lot and it was one of the reasons to take the decision of trading my phone.
However, I still want to give a chance to SONY because, after all, I'm a fan and I love their devices (if you ask me, what I really like of this LG I own now is the unlocked bootloader and the screen, the physical design is ugly, so "iphoned"), so I'm waiting for CES this january 7th and see what they have to offer. I hope they don't disappoint us, and now SONY have to work harder since a new strong competitor is on his way: Ubuntu Phone. It really looks interesting, plus, I'm a Linux fan since 2004 and I've seen how this great system has evolved, until the point of being almost ready for smartphones. But I also love Android, so, we'll see.
Anyway guys, I can't say definitely "bye", I'm sure we'll meet again in some point, of course, If I decide to get another Xperia and if you also do and keep developing for these devices. For now I want to thank great developers such JJ doctor, MrTapa, arcatarc, xparanoidx, and everyone else (sorry if I don't mention all of you) for rescuing me of being stuck in Android 2.3.4 =P I learned a lot while I had my Ray and I was happy using 4.0.4 ROMs, your work is awesome and this community is just great.
So, see you later!
PS: pending projects (such banners and wallpapers) will be accomplished in sometime of the current year. Sorry about that, my free time is smaller now.
PS2: I post this here because most of the time I was in this section. But if moderators consider it's necesary to move it, OK.
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...i'm sure you'll back bro'!
Inviato da me!
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bye.
I've been lurking the Desire X forum for some time now, and I'm getting my own DX in a few days. Something I've noticed is the slow development for this device, lack of S-OFF, and no official support from CM, AOKP and so on.
This is slightly worrying, since the device has already been out for about 6 months now. Is this too short of a period for development to pick up more quickly? Or is it just not as popular as other devices?
The DX is the only affordable dual core device I can get at the moment and I'm really hoping development will pick up soon.
PS - thumbs up to all the developers currently contributing to this device, keep up the great work :good:
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I've been lurking the Desire X forum for some time now, and I'm getting my own DX in a few days. Something I've noticed is the slow development for this device, lack of S-OFF, and no official support from CM, AOKP and so on.
This is slightly worrying, since the device has already been out for about 6 months now. Is this too short of a period for development to pick up more quickly? Or is it just not as popular as other devices?
The DX is the only affordable dual core device I can get at the moment and I'm really hoping development will pick up soon.
PS - thumbs up to all the developers currently contributing to this device, keep up the great work :good:
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You asked 2 questions:
1. Is this too short of a period for development to pick up more quickly?
No, its a long long time. Some flagship devices get all above you mentioned within a month. But mid-range phones are not so lucky. Browse the sony/samsung/lge MID-RANGE sets, and i repeat MID-RANGE, and you'll see that they are even handicapped than us. This phone is getting 4.1.1 officially and in my opinion have no reason not to get 4.2 as well. (5.0 will be a dream)
2. Or is it just not as popular as other devices?
See above. Its a mid-range device with satisfactory performance. The design and build makes it look costly and so our expectations rise. I dont deny that HTC have recently not been as consumer-friendly as they used to be, but thats that.
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Yasir
Developers still waiting for JB kernel sources
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Developers still waiting for JB kernel sources
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JB kernel sources dont explain the lack of interest dear.
The ICS kernel sources are out and ONLY ONE developer did something with it. Even if JB sources are revealed soon, it does not guarantee that more developers will come (and i mean AOSP developers).
But i hope u r right.
Not to be antagonistic but it's a pretty poor phone with a dearth of support from HTC to begin with. There won't be a surge of development, for a number of reasons.
I'm not even starting on this phone as I'm already sick of it and looking to sell.
You're better off with a flagship, popular phone if you want many roms. Ideally not a HTC. Sorry to be so negative.
Yes, but how do you explain tha for instance HTC Desire is no flagship but has so many Custom ROMs and official CM too... I think it also depends on support, literally speaking, how many people are using that brand of phone and how much is it favourite...
HTC Desire X
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Yes, but how do you explain tha for instance HTC Desire is no flagship but has so many Custom ROMs and official CM too... I think it also depends on support, literally speaking, how many people are using that brand of phone and how much is it favourite...
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HTC DESIRE WAS A FLAGSHIP. Make no mistakes about it. At its time of release, it was THE MOST POPULAR android device and from then on, it got SO many devs that still its going strong.
Just check some of the features which our 3-year newer device desire x doesnt have.
1. Multiple colored led lights. (4 +)
2. Digital compass
Plus these things which were awesome in 2010.
512MB ram AT THAT TIME 2010. Even now, 512 is not found on every phone.
AMOLED screen
GPS/FM/BT/WIFI all radio related sensors. We are still stuck on the same sensors in 2013. no nfc, no dual camera.
5MP camera. We still have the same MP sensor even though its much much better.
What i wanna say is, Desire X is not a flagship, so dont treat it like one. You spent less money so expect less.
Strictly speaking, for its price, its a very good phone IMHO.
Regards
i dont think it really matters whether a phone is mid range or high end all that matters is how famous the device and how much devs support it i have a galaxy mini not a flagship phone but intensely popular and it has unofficial cm10.1 til date running on a 600 mhz processor our desire x is way better and gives a better bang for buck than any htc phone :highfive::highfive:
melendi said:
Yes, but how do you explain tha for instance HTC Desire is no flagship but has so many Custom ROMs and official CM too... I think it also depends on support, literally speaking, how many people are using that brand of phone and how much is it favourite...
HTC Desire X
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HTC desire is first real android smartphone, first nexus released, basicaly only option in its time... maybe it isnt now, but it was best phone avaliable out there 3 years back
btw I had lcd display (you mentioned amoled), it was so much fun when I flashed amoled rom
Just look at the HTC explorer, i sold mine at the time due to lack of development at the time (nothing but jaggyrom i think) but within a few months development was booming and now I'm kicking myself
BatEarsJoe said:
Just look at the HTC explorer, i sold mine at the time due to lack of development at the time (nothing but jaggyrom i think) but within a few months development was booming and now I'm kicking myself
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Well then, we shall wait for u to leave desire x and all will be rosy (kidding).
BatEarsJoe said:
Just look at the HTC explorer, i sold mine at the time due to lack of development at the time (nothing but jaggyrom i think) but within a few months development was booming and now I'm kicking myself
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The current owner of Jaggy rom aka danceoff also bought this phone! He will also start making roms after a week.
I have been in contact with 2 devs who are buying this phone. So we are soon going to have rapid development(I am also making cm roms and kernels for this phone)
I think the main reason for lack of development is that there are no current devices that possess the same soc thus new base has to be created from scratch and the work for older devices cant be used.Atis112 succeeded in doing that so i think development should increase in frequency for this device.
PS this is my opinion not sure its correct or not.Though its mainly based on my experience tinkering with my galaxy fit.
hopefully we have a rise in developers(though current number is healthy so wait for summers i guess).Cause All i need is a stable cm built and im happy:fingers-crossed:
hell_lock said:
The current owner of Jaggy rom aka danceoff also bought this phone! He will also start making roms after a week.
I have been in contact with 2 devs who are buying this phone. So we are soon going to have rapid development(I am also making cm roms and kernels for this phone)
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DanceOff is cool. He's always in the OT...
Great points Dark Passenger.
Worth reiterating there's some great devs still here working away. I'm sure patience and support will be rewarding.
IMHO, the one and only HTC flagman and inspiration for all custom ROM makers is HTC HD2. Just take a look, how many custom roms on all the kinds of OS it has!!!!111 I had one since 2009, but I've decided to give it to wife, she likes it very much.
RossFixxed said:
I'm not even starting on this phone as I'm already sick of it and looking to sell.
You're better off with a flagship, popular phone if you want many roms. Ideally not a HTC. Sorry to be so negative.
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Personally, I find performance more important features. I think this goes for many other people that bought the DX as well, who wanted value for money. As you can see from my sig, I'm moving over from its predecessor, HTC Desire S. Take a look at the Development Index - it may have been a mid range HTC but there was a lot of development being done.
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The current owner of Jaggy rom aka danceoff also bought this phone! He will also start making roms after a week.
I have been in contact with 2 devs who are buying this phone. So we are soon going to have rapid development(I am also making cm roms and kernels for this phone)
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If by "this phone" you mean the Desire X, then this is very good news. I look forward to these developments. Looks like there may be more devs coming to the DX :good:
prototype-U said:
The current owner of Jaggy rom aka danceoff also bought this phone! He will also start making roms after a week.
I have been in contact with 2 devs who are buying this phone. So we are soon going to have rapid development(I am also making cm roms and kernels for this phone)
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Dark Passenger said:
I think the main reason for lack of development is that there are no current devices that possess the same soc thus new base has to be created from scratch and the work for older devices cant be used.Atis112 succeeded in doing that so i think development should increase in frequency for this device.
PS this is my opinion not sure its correct or not.Though its mainly based on my experience tinkering with my galaxy fit.
hopefully we have a rise in developers(though current number is healthy so wait for summers i guess).Cause All i need is a stable cm built and im happy:fingers-crossed:
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This is great news !!!
I'm also planning on getting this device within a few weeks !!!
I was a little hesitant on buying this phone due to lack of Activity and Deving [There was lot's of Activity and development going in my previous phone's thread i.e. Galaxy Ace ...]
But,
Now that many people are purchasing this phone and some Senior Dev's are coming , I guess this Forum will also have lot's of Activity !!!
I'll also start deving after this device gets Cm10 !!!
The "A" Factor said:
I'll also start deving after this device gets Cm10 !!!
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Don't get me wrong here
I thought the word deving is for
0 -> deving -> CM10
After there is CM10
CM10 -> modding/kanging -> various
So what neXusPRME and atis112 is doing now is deving
I'm pretty sure modding is still considered development