All,
As you might have seen in thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1288155&page=17
The Chroid release never really got past 0.1 alpha and appears to have died..
Shame as I see a real need for this, like many others I really like WEBOS, its not perfect but works fine, battery life is AWESOME and the native touchpad apps are well writtern..
However with the general android cm7/miui progress/webos now opensourced Im not surprised some developers dont think this is a worthwhile project.. so i thought we simply need to convince a developer its a worthwhile project
Also perhaps maybe someone from opemmobile would contribute towards an opensource project? or themselves re-invigorate this, they originally planned a webos port... (see http://openmobileww.com/smartphone.php)
So to start with I thought Id start this POLL thread, if your interested vote, would you pay for it? $5-$10 sounds reasonable? or more?
Please keep this thread simply for the poll, for general chit chat use the original thread above.
edit : Just to be clear, Im not skilled enough to make this happen but I thought starting this thread, waiting to see the replies we should be able to rouse the interest of a "skilled" developer...
edit : This link is to OpenMobileWW who demo'd ACL on WebOS as a card and looked awesome http://news.mobileroundup.com/2012/01/ces-is-open-mobile-what-webos-has-been-waiting-for/
I'm definitely interested in such an app. I used a Palm Pre- for a couple of years and really learned to love WebOS. I constantly switch back between it and CM7 or one of its flavors depending upon what I want to do. I use WebOS for my email and work, but switch to CM7 for games and other apps. $10 is more than reasonable (I'd pay up to $50 but I think that's too high to sustain a market).
I'd be interested, and I'd be willing to pay $5, maybe $10 depending on how well it emulates within webOS.
Please delete this post, I missed the part about not posting in here. My apologies.
Krunk_Kracker said:
I'd be interested, and I'd be willing to pay $5, maybe $10 depending on how well it emulates within webOS.
Please delete this post, I missed the part about not posting in here. My apologies.
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No worries.
i like webos faar better than android.. new to both but no contest really..
the advantage for android is apps apps apps..
it would be great if there was any way that android could function as a card..
would android still have to boot up as a card or would it be instant like a webos
function..
the android os makes TP way more functional-- wireless non-hp printer support..
games.. on and on..
thanx
could you maybe be thinking about this backwards? What you actually want out of the android window is quickly getting to the android apps right? wouldn't it work faster to do what crackberry is doing and just making the android market work within the webos?
getting android apps working within WebOS is what we're after here,, not getting the Android OS working within WebOs.. thats different
I would definitely be interested, I like webos's smoothness but android has sooo many apps, I would prolly pitch in more than that , its a really good idea, and I think anybody can spare 10 bucks
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I voted for yes I would pay. I want to explain that a bit. I love XDA and the developers here are amazing. This lot can do things most users only imagine, and more often than not, for free.
On that note, I like WebOS too. Its smooth, little slow but intuitive. I cant find my way around an Ipad but 10 seconds on my touchpad, my very first WebOS device, I have wifi running and was bookmarking XDA. If Android ran smoothly in a card there would be no turning back.
I cant wait to see what happens, lets make it happen!
I love webOS so much more than Android but I'm running Android due to Netflix, etc.
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Same here if I could I'd rather use WebOS than Android but I still have problems with things like YouTube being slow, and videos stutter, etc.
i'd pay for this
google music would be so good with this
Although I like both systems, I would like to see an effective Android app on a card. I have much more experience with Android but Webos just seems nicer to work with.
I would pay a reasonable price for this, $10-20 bucks.
Mike T
Is this running the android os in a card, or running android apps in a card?
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How much work would it be/how much would it be worth to get X11 working on android or to make surfaceflinger etc. work on webos?
I'm already invested in android, I wouldn't mind paying $10 or more to get android apps (or all of android, including apps) on webos. It'd be more sensible even than paying for SPBShell
How many touchpad users have stuck with webOS d'you reckon?
Well as good as X-ron/Cyanogen & MIUI are on the touchpad I still find WEBOS to be so much better as a tablet OS. Maybe it's just the ability to flick cards away just makes android seem a tad clunky at this point. So long as an Virtual Android isn't expensive I'd probably pay for it... unless ICS is amazing
Honestly my first intention for my touchpad was to root it with android. However, i find myself not even using android on it. I love the webOS interface soooooo much more than andorid, but I hate that it lack the apps. This is where my rooted nookCOLOR comes in. I can count the amount of time I have actually booted into android on the touchpad besides for setting it up to mirror my nookCOLOR settings.
I do like webos but I feel like its like a sexy chick wearing a chastity belt.. looks good but you can't do anything with it.. I don't think I've logged into webos once in the last 3 months.. there's no reason to. Android I s way more functional.. for me at least. Android in a card would take the chastity belt off this biatch.. :-D
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Well as good as X-ron/Cyanogen & MIUI are on the touchpad I still find WEBOS to be so much better as a tablet OS. Maybe it's just the ability to flick cards away just makes android seem a tad clunky at this point. So long as an Virtual Android isn't expensive I'd probably pay for it... unless ICS is amazing
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What? As opposed to simply pressing home and not having to worry about the app anymore?
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I got to thinking... Android is awesome, and what if Google decided to develop a whole new OS specifically designed for a PC? I mean, Android is a phone OS, and with the introduction of Honeycomb it is the very first real tablet OS. They also have Google TVs that run the same OS concept. The next step would be to take over the desktops and the laptops, yes? I think it would be great to see. Ofcourse they would have to adapt a lot of things to make it work and feel like it was made for a computer, like how Honeycomb is doing now in the tablet world.
I can see this happening for sure. If it became a reality and got a stable release... would you think about dropping your Windows and Macs for it? I probably would! I love Google and everything they do. I want the complete Google experience for all my devices!
I wonder what it would be called? Google PC, Chrome PC/PC Chrome, Project Google, or just OS Google/Google OS? I haven't the slighest idea what it would really be called. Lol.
Thoughts? Ideas? Let 'em out!
Google has a hell of a lot to do before they can even compete in the full-blown OS. Mac has a foothold in the graphics design, while Windows has the PC gaming market secured aside from the usual office productivity stuff. Linux is trying (have been for decades), but can't really compete and thus relegated to a small niche market. The way I see it, if Google does enter into the OS fray then they'd just get some of the Linux share which isn't that big to begin with.
Google already has an os http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_OS i was in the beta and it is really good but not at a level where I would drop ubuntu and Backtrack
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Google already has an os http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_OS i was in the beta and it is really good but not at a level where I would drop ubuntu and Backtrack
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Well I'll be darned! The latest stable release was only a few days ago. I know I remember seeing something about a Google OS once before awhile back, and I couuuuld have done a Google search like I always do, but I wanted to post on the awesome xda forums before I did that! Cool thanks!
And I guess I was close at guessing the OS name huh? Lol.
Also, I saw Google Chromebooks at either CES 2011, or Google IO 2011. The Chromebook uses the internet as an OS. Apps, movies, writing up a text document... all done over the internet with web apps, unlike Windows which you can do this natively through the desktop itself. This concept seems like a neat idea... everything is done from the internet instead of the desktop.
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Google has a hell of a lot to do before they can even compete in the full-blown OS. Mac has a foothold in the graphics design, while Windows has the PC gaming market secured aside from the usual office productivity stuff. Linux is trying (have been for decades), but can't really compete and thus relegated to a small niche market. The way I see it, if Google does enter into the OS fray then they'd just get some of the Linux share which isn't that big to begin with.
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They have the potential to pull it off though. They are going through the same thing with Honeycomb tablets. Everyone seems to think the iPad is so amazing, but the OS is that of a iPhone, thus making it a ridiculously oversized phone. Honeycomb is the first to change that, and it will take time to perfect, but it will get done. And since Android is taking over, I can see them perfecting the Google OS for computers in due time. And when the time comes... I'm pretty sure it will have a nice impact, again considering Android is taking over and Google itself has always been boss status.
It won't happen in a day but it will happen. Windows did not become a household name in a day you know. Many people put the idea down and knocked it until... you guessed it! It became a hit, and it was all along. People just would not accept it at first.
Check it out.
http://www.android-x86.org/
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Anyone have any experience with chrome?
My laptop is getting old and I might look into putting chrome on it
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Love it.
Seems to me that the Google os is just opening up Google chrome browser and doing everything from there. Would love to see android on a desktop though. The status bar would be cool to see on my laptop!
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Seems to me that the Google os is just opening up Google chrome browser and doing everything from there. Would love to see android on a desktop though. The status bar would be cool to see on my laptop!
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That's what I was looking for. Because yes, Chromium OS, everything is done over the internet. I am looking for an actual desktop OS that makes use on the touch screen PCs. Seems logical and a good idea to me.
New Linux flavor
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Chrome os sucks. I got my cr-48, first chrome laptop made. And it sucks. I rarely use it. I take it to school to type documents and that's it.
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Chrome os sucks. I got my cr-48, first chrome laptop made. And it sucks. I rarely use it. I take it to school to type documents and that's it.
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Indeed. It is pretty much a web OS that has no actual desktop. I wish they would make a real desktop OS like what Honeycomb is to tablets. They need to make that happen on the PC world with the Android Market and all.
Theres this company developing what they call the bluestack google a search for "bluestack" to find more out mroe about it. you can run android in ur pc with it. due for alpha soon
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Theres this company developing what they call the bluestack google a search for "bluestack" to find more out mroe about it. you can run android in ur pc with it. due for alpha soon
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Wow thanks! I signed up for the alpha testing. This is EXACTLY what I have been looking for! I'm getting my new beast AIO touchscreen PC very soon and I cannot wait until I will be able to boot up Android right along side Windows. What an awesome combination. This makes Windows even better compared to poor Mac. Android is the king, and bringing it to Windows PC's blows my mind. Lol. ^^
Thanks for to heads up!
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Wow thanks! I signed up for the alpha testing. This is EXACTLY what I have been looking for! I'm getting my new beast AIO touchscreen PC very soon and I cannot wait until I will be able to boot up Android right along side Windows. What an awesome combination. This makes Windows even better compared to poor Mac. Android is the king, and bringing it to Windows PC's blows my mind. Lol. ^^
Thanks for to heads up!
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woah.. new touchscreen pc how i wish i have that. lucky you haha. np
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woah.. new touchscreen pc how i wish i have that. lucky you haha. np
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Heh, yeah. It's a custom built PC with the best parts available to me.
The video for Bluestacks read me like a book when it said something like "Do you have a touchscreen PC and would like to run Android on it?" I am currently waiting for my custom built all in one touchscreen beast machine PC to be delivered in a few days. I wanna load Bluestacks up on this baby as soon as it becomes available.
It would be great if Android apps just ran natively inside Linux instead of having to use a crappy emulator from Google.
I want to be the first to make a custom rom for PC lol
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Believe it or not, this is my first smartphone due to the fact I am on a family plan and got free service and didn't want to have my own phone bill. I was given the radar as a gift, but I'm not sure it's for me. I have read a little about the windows phone OS, and it does look promising and I like the phone and features.
The problem is that I don't have a lot to spend on apps. I know there are lots of good free apps for android, but I hear this is a growing platform.
Is this a good phone for my first smartphone? I pick up tech very quickly, I just dumped most of my cash into a new pc build for xmas, so I will be pretty broke. I also hear you can't "jailbreak" (or equivalent) windows phone yet.
I'm sure if I got an android I would try the android equivalent (a ROM I suppose). Is that what I need to do to get apps and games on a non-existent budget? It will cost me 50$ for restocking fee, so if windows phone is worth sticking with, I would love to hear any opinions why and how I can get the apps I need (don't need specifics, just know that it can be done easily).
Thanks in advance, I am reading up on windows phone and android, I just would like advice about my particular situation.
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Believe it or not, this is my first smartphone due to the fact I am on a family plan and got free service and didn't want to have my own phone bill. I was given the radar as a gift, but I'm not sure it's for me. I have read a little about the windows phone OS, and it does look promising and I like the phone and features.
The problem is that I don't have a lot to spend on apps. I know there are lots of good free apps for android, but I hear this is a growing platform.
Is this a good phone for my first smartphone? I pick up tech very quickly, I just dumped most of my cash into a new pc build for xmas, so I will be pretty broke. I also hear you can't "jailbreak" (or equivalent) windows phone yet.
I'm sure if I got an android I would try the android equivalent (a ROM I suppose). Is that what I need to do to get apps and games on a non-existent budget? It will cost me 50$ for restocking fee, so if windows phone is worth sticking with, I would love to hear any opinions why and how I can get the apps I need (don't need specifics, just know that it can be done easily).
Thanks in advance, I am reading up on windows phone and android, I just would like advice about my particular situation.
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It sounds like you're asking fir help in obtaining paid apps for free, which XDA has strict rules prohibiting any discussion, or help in this area. Having said that, most paid apps on Android market have free versions with ads. I'm not a huge fan of Windows phones, but it wouldn't hurt to play around with it for a few days to see if you like it. Because you have no experience with smartphones, the only way you will be able to compare it would be to check out an Android device at a store, or go on youtube and watch a few in depth reviews on other Android devices.
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Thanks for the reply. I wasn't looking for anyone to tell me where I could get free paid apps, it's more about the freedom to unlock the phone, etc. Free apps would be good too, I just didn't know if windows phone was more pay oriented than android. Didn't mean to break any rules, sorry if it came off like that.I see a bunch of stuff about jailbreaking and roms, so I guess it is a fine line.
I guess what I want to ask is how difficult it is to "unlock" these phones compared to android. I see a post that says this phone doesn't have that option yet, but that is something I would definitely look into, as I love freedom with anything I own. It's more to get rid of DRM and things of that nature than it is to "pirate" anything.
I will give this one a shot, but if it's more pay oriented and "locked down" feeling, android might be better for me.
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Thanks for the reply. I wasn't looking for anyone to tell me where I could get free paid apps, it's more about the freedom to unlock the phone, etc. Free apps would be good too, I just didn't know if windows phone was more pay oriented than android. Didn't mean to break any rules, sorry if it came off like that.I see a bunch of stuff about jailbreaking and roms, so I guess it is a fine line.
I guess what I want to ask is how difficult it is to "unlock" these phones compared to android. I see a post that says this phone doesn't have that option yet, but that is something I would definitely look into, as I love freedom with anything I own. It's more to get rid of DRM and things of that nature than it is to "pirate" anything.
I will give this one a shot, but if it's more pay oriented and "locked down" feeling, android might be better for me.
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There is a Chevron Unlock method for Mango. But I would suggest holding off on unlocking it, but for the fact you might return it. As for the paid/free app ratio on windows phone, tge best thing to do is browse that market and see what's out there. Windows phone is definitely cool looking, and has ut's good features, just not good enough to convince me to ditch Android. Albeit I don't know you, I think it's safe to assume you'd prefer Android over Windows phone. Android (imho), is the best thing to happen to cell phones. It has the largest MOD following of any platform, and a ton of fun to use. XDA actually started off as a windows phone forum, but qiickly grew to support Android as well. Android is the future of cell phones. Do I sound like a fanboy or what?
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Yeah, I had my eye on android for awhile, I only held out because of the convenience of getting free service and the cost held me back, but it looks I can finally move forward. I do like this phone, and would like to keep it, but if I will get a better long term experience with android, it might be a wise choice to pay the fee and go with that.
But I am still open to any suggestions anyone may have about windows phone, or why I may prefer this platform.
I had an hd2 with android then WP on personally prefer the UI of Wp, but at the mo there is more out there for Android personally I think most apps are gimmicky and the office and SkyDrive integration is worth going with WP alone....
If you want a lot of apps go android, if you want a nice phone/text/camera UI experience stick with the radar
Buy what you can afford. There are a lot of free apps and many have free trials that are simply ad supported. What you'll have to pay for is xbox live games but you wouldnt go to an xbox forum and post about getting free games would you?
Another thing, if you just got the radar chances are you qualify for the free $25 app card. I got mines in the mail
https://windowsphone.promo.eprize.com/redemptionprogram/:b=ie9/
Other than that the Radar is a fabulous phone and I love it!
Thanks man, I did qualify for that! That should help.
Another question about this phone is the navigation. There is an app that wants 10$ a month, and that's a little high.. There's a "local scout" that gives directions in a non turn-by-turn fashion, and that would be fine for me. Is there a way to input an address to this app? It only has a few limited locations. Or do I have to pay 10$ a month or no navigation? Anyone know a reasonably priced alternative to this?
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I'm a fellow Nexus 10 owner. I love my device, but I'm a bit tired of facing applications that are low-resolution and unoptimized for the incredible display we have on the Nexus 10. Even tablet-optimized apps are lacking. Aren't you frustrated? Hence, I thought we could do something about it as a community.
Which is the purpose of this thread!
Here's how it will work. This first post will serve as a compilation of all the petitions made to any and all developers to optimize their applications for tablets, and also the Nexus 10's display. Any subsequent posts in this thread shall be for petition requests and discussion, which I will personally put together and post up to the petition site being used for this purpose (Care2 as of this thread's posting). I will then add a direct link to that petition to this thread, sorted by category. Feel free to make any suggestions or to criticize! I will also start us off with a petition I have already created myself: to the developers of the Bloons TD series of games, Ninja Kiwi.
I'll try to keep things simple! Keep on topic, please, and try your best to sign each and every petition. Its the only way we'll be able to actually push developers to optimize their applications for tablets like ours! So, without further ado, let us begin!
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Bloons TD 5 - Optimize Bloons TD 5 for Android Tablets
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Facebook - Optimize Facebook for Android Tablets
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This is likely Google's job, not ours. In any event, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are three that immediately spring to mind. Not because they are low resolution -- not sure what you mean there -- but because the layouts are so clearly designed for smaller screens. I shouldn't have to opt for Friendcaster, Tabstagram, and Plume.
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This is likely Google's job, not ours. In any event, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are three that immediately spring to mind. Not because they are low resolution -- not sure what you mean there -- but because the layouts are so clearly designed for smaller screens. I shouldn't have to opt for Friendcaster, Tabstagram, and Plume.
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No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
A dedicated Facebook app should be a priority. My mate has an iPad and I found myself looking longingly at the sickness of the dedicated app. Something needs to be done to put a stop to this sick perversion!
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This is likely Google's job, not ours.
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I would tend to agree with Brees on this one, which you could probably guess. I think Brees put it excellently!
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No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
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Its the job of the application developers to get out proper apps. Google has done TONS of work already. Now we need to show these guys that we, the users, actually care about proper tablet applications, and that it is worth the investment.
Thats why I created this thread - if we don't do something about it, no-one will! I'm going to try to get as many signatures as possible, and I'm going to spread this thread across multiple forums if necessary. AndroidTablets.net springs to mind.
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A dedicated Facebook app should be a priority. My mate has an iPad and I found myself looking longingly at the sickness of the dedicated app. Something needs to be done to put a stop to this sick perversion!
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Exactly! I'm tired of this sort of thing. This needs to be put to a stop. I'll create the petition.
Like previously said all those social apps need optimization for sure. And the xda app needs optimization. I think there's an HD version but it costs money
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No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
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I would tend to agree with Brees on this one, which you could probably guess. I think Brees put it excellently!Its the job of the application developers to get out proper apps. Google has done TONS of work already. Now we need to show these guys that we, the users, actually care about proper tablet applications, and that it is worth the investment.
Thats why I created this thread - if we don't do something about it, no-one will! I'm going to try to get as many signatures as possible, and I'm going to spread this thread across multiple forums if necessary. AndroidTablets.net springs to mind.
Exactly! I'm tired of this sort of thing. This needs to be put to a stop. I'll create the petition.
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You'll excuse me if I seem overly cynical about this. I used to be a BlackBerry user. Well over two years ago, some folks on Crackberry launched a campaign to bombard Reid Hastings, the president of Netflix, with email to get Netflix on the BlackBerry platform (the OS 6 devices like the Torch had then fairly recently come out). If you are familiar with Crackberry, you know that they are a rabid, fanatical horde. Nothing happened. Then came the petitions -- change.org and the like. They are still going on more than two years plus later, and despite the fact that BlackBerry now has quite decent phones and a decent OS in BB10, there is still no Netflix on the platform.
EDIT: Holy! I already have 4 signatures for Facebook on Android Tablets and I haven't even posted it anywhere yet! That shows something.
C'mon guys, I'll post it up in the main thread. Vote for it now!
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You'll excuse me if I seem overly cynical about this. I used to be a BlackBerry user. Well over two years ago, some folks on Crackberry launched a campaign to bombard Reid Hastings, the president of Netflix, with email to get Netflix on the BlackBerry platform (the OS 6 devices like the Torch had then fairly recently come out). If you are familiar with Crackberry, you know that they are a rabid, fanatical horde. Nothing happened. Then came the petitions -- change.org and the like. They are still going on more than two years plus later, and despite the fact that BlackBerry now has quite decent phones and a decent OS in BB10, there is still no Netflix on the platform.
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I think your points make sense, but they aren't a valid reason really to cause Netflix to develop for BB10. The marketshare simply isn't there.
With Android, however, the market has shown that it is a valid platform (and I hate to say that as if it was an option - c'mon. ANDROID IS AWESOME! ); it makes sense for them to update, and it only helps us out. We need to show them that we actually CARE. If they understand that, then they will update for us without question. If they have any business sense, that is.
Same with BB10 (which is, quite frankly, a very nice OS - it even has NFC Beaming support between BB and Android devices). If they had the market AND Crackberry screaming like it was/is, they would get a proper app quite quickly.
This deserved a quick update post: the petitions for Facebook and Instagram are now online. Facebook already has a few votes!
I just signed Facebook one.
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What's the address part for?
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What's the address part for?
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So that you can be stalked lol. No need to put you real address I made one up and it didn't even check if it was right
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What's the address part for?
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Yeah, what abdel said lol.
Its mostly to confirm that you're a real person with a real place to live, that kinda stuff.
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EDIT: Holy! I already have 4 signatures for Facebook on Android Tablets and I haven't even posted it anywhere yet! That shows something.
C'mon guys, I'll post it up in the main thread. Vote for it now!
I think your points make sense, but they aren't a valid reason really to cause Netflix to develop for BB10. The marketshare simply isn't there.
With Android, however, the market has shown that it is a valid platform (and I hate to say that as if it was an option - c'mon. ANDROID IS AWESOME! ); it makes sense for them to update, and it only helps us out. We need to show them that we actually CARE. If they understand that, then they will update for us without question. If they have any business sense, that is.
Same with BB10 (which is, quite frankly, a very nice OS - it even has NFC Beaming support between BB and Android devices). If they had the market AND Crackberry screaming like it was/is, they would get a proper app quite quickly.
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BB's problem is definitely rooted in market share, something that Android in general obviously has no problem with. But the numbers dwindle considerably when you're talking about Android tablet market share, and then on top of that, you've got to consider how many Android tablet users really care that there are some apps that are just scaled up phone versions. Apple cared enough to do something about it -- remember that was one of the criticisms of the first iPad, i.e., that it seemed just like a oversized iPod. Google has not been responsive on this front (nor on others for that matter).
Anyway, I don't want to discourage anyone, so have at it.
Signed them all and subscribed to thread, will check daily to check for new petitions
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BB's problem is definitely rooted in market share, something that Android in general obviously has no problem with. But the numbers dwindle considerably when you're talking about Android tablet market share, and then on top of that, you've got to consider how many Android tablet users really care that there are some apps that are just scaled up phone versions. Apple cared enough to do something about it -- remember that was one of the criticisms of the first iPad, i.e., that it seemed just like a oversized iPod. Google has not been responsive on this front (nor on others for that matter).
Anyway, I don't want to discourage anyone, so have at it.
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Don't worry, you're not discouraging (me, at least).
Android Tablet market share has been steadily on the rise - in fact, it rivals the iPad. According to many statistics, they are slated to pass (if they have not already) Apple devices in tablet market share by the 3rd quarter. I listed 3 (or 4?) links in all of the petitions.
As for Google, they have been doing a great job lately. They added dedicated tablet sections to Google Play, and have been pushing developers to adhere to the guidelines constantly. I say keep up that pressure!
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Signed them all and subscribed to thread, will check daily to check for new petitions
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Thanks! We need more people like you here. Keep it up!
As for everyone else, keep an eye out for new petitions; and, most importantly of all:
SIGN THEM!!!!
We have hundreds of views on this thread, yet most people don't seem to want to take 60 seconds and sign the petitions, oddly enough. And this is a Nexus 10 forum. Keep it up, anyway! We CAN do this with enough time.
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One of these days I plan to actually try to learn some Android development; I'll be sure to make whatever apps I make optimized for the N10 though :good:
It makes no sense on a 10-inch tablet.
Frankly, the navbar should be on the side, because that's how you hold it in both portrait and landscape. But at least with the old TabletUI, it was in the corner, which is sort-of to-the-side. Phablet UI on a huge 10-inch tablet just makes no sense to me.
It works just fine for me. Heck, i even used the tablet UI when i had AOKP on it, didn't see the hype, went back to phablet. Same with pie controls.
Everyone likes everything. Any change made is always going to please one and displease another.
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It works just fine for me. Heck, i even used the tablet UI when i had AOKP on it, didn't see the hype, went back to phablet. Same with pie controls.
Everyone likes everything. Any change made is always going to please one and displease another.
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Phablet UI on a huge 10-inch tablet just makes no sense to me.
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They did this to unify the Android experience. I think this was an important step. With KitKat, every app can hide the navbar if need be. I think this is a good compromise, at least in the long run.
(The N10 has this feature too, right?)
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They did this to unify the Android experience. I think this was an important step. With KitKat, every app can hide the navbar if need be. I think this is a good compromise, at least in the long run.
(The N10 has this feature too, right?)
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I hate not havind tablet UI. I find Phablet mode annoying. It is one of the biggest reasons I root and mod, then I can custom my UI the way I like. If google were run with half a brain they would understand the importance of being able to customize the user experience but they have proven their inability to manage responsibility just with their lack of announcements allowing potential customers to plan ahead, so I expect ignorance on a colossal scale when dealing with any sort of reliability or customer service issues when it comes to this giant waste of potential we call Google.
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They did this to unify the Android experience. I think this was an important step. With KitKat, every app can hide the navbar if need be. I think this is a good compromise, at least in the long run.
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It they want to better unify the Android experience I wish they would do it by adding features to the phone (auto rotate quick setting, option to select the channel when using the volume buttons) instead of taking useful things away from the tablet!
In my opinion, the only thing potentially out of place is the nav bar buttons positions. Being in the centre makes it a bit hard to reach if you are holding your tablet with both hands. Which is why I have the ability to reposition the buttons in my custom ROM... other than that, I love the unified UI... I always hated the old tablet UI...
When i had Xoom on 4.1.2 I couldn't wait to get the phablet mode that was introduced in 4.2. When I got it in my hands I really liked it, specially the two notification bars (one for notifications and one for settings). Then I got Nexus 10 and never willed to have the tablet UI back, as I really enjoyed this one. However the only thing that I really disliked in KitKat update was the settings app! I think it's important to unify android now, as we're talking about many devices worldwide, but leave tablet stuff for tablets and phone stuff for phones!
If you don't like the UI you can flash a custom ROM and bring it back I believe.
sad news for many...
A lot of people on a Google+ Paranoid Android thread upset about this.
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I hate not havind tablet UI. I find Phablet mode annoying. It is one of the biggest reasons I root and mod, then I can custom my UI the way I like. If google were run with half a brain they would understand the importance of being able to customize the user experience but they have proven their inability to manage responsibility just with their lack of announcements allowing potential customers to plan ahead, so I expect ignorance on a colossal scale when dealing with any sort of reliability or customer service issues when it comes to this giant waste of potential we call Google.
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I can't agree with much of this. If it was as you say then you would not be able to ever modify anything. The reason you were able to root and do your modifications is because Google does listen and releases source code for android. They could keep it closed. Then people could kiss their Roms goodbye. People that modify, root, and change their phones are still in the minority. Sure if you come here it will seem like everyone does, but in truth we are a small minority. My son is the only person besides myself that I personally know that roots. So what Google is trying to do is create a uniform look and experience. They are trying to get developers to follow the model. Android is still basically new, but has come a long way. If they get enough requests they may bring the feature back. But if not, I am sure it will continue to evolve.
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a heads-up would be respectful...
It's hard to disagree with conan1600's suggestion that some type of changelog prior to upgrades would be extremely helpful.
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I can't agree with much of this. If it was as you say then you would not be able to ever modify anything. The reason you were able to root and do your modifications is because Google does listen and releases source code for android. They could keep it closed. Then people could kiss their Roms goodbye. People that modify, root, and change their phones are still in the minority. Sure if you come here it will seem like everyone does, but in truth we are a small minority. My son is the only person besides myself that I personally know that roots. So what Google is trying to do is create a uniform look and experience. They are trying to get developers to follow the model. Android is still basically new, but has come a long way. If they get enough requests they may bring the feature back. But if not, I am sure it will continue to evolve.
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Simply by taking options away invalidated your beliefs. That I can modify my tablet is not an issue regardles of google. All locked bootloader tablets are eventually broken. But Google makes you do it this way. Add features and make defaults but NEVER take features people like. Also it wouldn't be hard for google to easily say, hey guys we are going to refresh this or that device, or we are not would show common courtesy. Google or most other big brands know nothing of customer appreciation.
Apple and Microsoft frequently remove features when they upgrade. In fact I have seldom seen any Of that doesn't remove something in an upgrade. Sometimes they are added back, but more often than not it never is. There are always people that are upset when this happens but they hope that most are happy with what they have improved or added. Windows does this over and over. There are things I miss also in this version. One is tablet mode. But for me it is not a deal breaker. And yes, unlocking a device allows you to modify the device, but if the Operating System can't be modified like Google allows by providing AOSP then all your tweaks can't happen. Android is to phones like Linux is to PC. Apple and Microsoft do not allow the flexibility. I understand your frustration, we all hate losing things we use. Like I said, I am not real happy about losing tablet mode. I just do not think Google is terrible like you say. I see steady performance improvement and a desire to added useful features. Are they perfect? Hardly, but they are trying.
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Apple and Microsoft frequently remove features when they upgrade. In fact I have seldom seen any Of that doesn't remove something in an upgrade. Sometimes they are added back, but more often than not it never is. There are always people that are upset when this happens but they hope that most are happy with what they have improved or added. Windows does this over and over. There are things I miss also in this version. One is tablet mode. But for me it is not a deal breaker. And yes, unlocking a device allows you to modify the device, but if the Operating System can't be modified like Google allows by providing AOSP then all your tweaks can't happen. Android is to phones like Linux is to PC. Apple and Microsoft do not allow the flexibility. I understand your frustration, we all hate losing things we use. Like I said, I am not real happy about losing tablet mode. I just do not think Google is terrible like you say. I see steady performance improvement and a desire to added useful features. Are they perfect? Hardly, but they are trying.
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I also wanted to add that Google didn't decide what devices get updated. In fact Kitkat was specifically designed so more device could handle updates. It is the carrier/device manufacturer that decides that. Google sends them the updated system then it is up to them to modify source and prepare it for the device. Luckily we have some great ROM makers who are capable of doing this themselves.
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openness...
The Open Source Project was a brilliant business decision which has been hugely successful in accomplishing what Google has referred to as ''our most important goal... widespread adoption of the software....'' They go on to say, ''Openness is vital to the long-term success of a platform, since openness is required to attract investment from developers.... to make sure there would always be an open platform available for carriers, OEMs, and developers to use to make their innovative ideas a reality.''
Has Android succeeded at attracting the creativity of developers? For sure. And I'm glad they have... Android is awesome that way! But let's not forget that Android's openess was born of a business decision, to attract not only developers but end-users as well.
Google: ''We also wanted to make sure there was no central point of failure, so no single industry player could restrict or control the innovations of any other.''
I'd like that to include allowing Paranoid Android to continue using Tablet UI to give us a more tablet-friendly environment... and, for that matter, CM to be free to introduce MultiWindows without facing a dictator's wrath. CM's MultiWindows would be kick-ass on the Nexus 10!
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...Add features and make defaults but NEVER take features people like. Also it wouldn't be hard for google to easily say, hey guys we are going to refresh this or that device, or we are not would show common courtesy. Google or most other big brands know nothing of customer appreciation.
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It's encouraging to see Google emphasize tablet apps more in the Play Store, but discouraging to see them de-emphasize tablets in Android itself... especially when it's a surprise. Google could be a lot more 'open' about what they've done... at the time they release Android updates.
I assume, conan1600, when you talk about Google refreshing devices, you're talking about it's own Nexus brand. I guess that's kind of obvious since this is a Nexus thread. Also, I read you as wanting to hold Google to its own standards of openness, not to the low bar set by Microsoft and Apple.
If I understand you right, it's not enough to say there are worse tyrants... we love Android precisely because it promises freedom from tyranny.
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fredryk said:
It makes no sense on a 10-inch tablet.
Frankly, the navbar should be on the side, because that's how you hold it in both portrait and landscape. But at least with the old TabletUI, it was in the corner, which is sort-of to-the-side. Phablet UI on a huge 10-inch tablet just makes no sense to me.
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I hate not havind tablet UI. I find Phablet mode annoying. It is one of the biggest reasons I root and mod, then I can custom my UI the way I like. If google were run with half a brain they would understand the importance of being able to customize the user experience but they have proven their inability to manage responsibility just with their lack of announcements allowing potential customers to plan ahead, so I expect ignorance on a colossal scale when dealing with any sort of reliability or customer service issues when it comes to this giant waste of potential we call Google.
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I could not agree more.
Found this while searching for tabletui options for the nexus 7.
I guess this is it with android. By moving everything to closed source and removing features like tabletui, Google is showing itself to be just as bad, if not worse than others.
With baytrail win8 tablets landing, I would say this might be a costly mistake for Google.
I love my android phone, but if Google declared war on tablets, then I will leave ... And it looks like I won't be the only one.
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I assume, conan1600, when you talk about Google refreshing devices, you're talking about it's own Nexus brand. I guess that's kind of obvious since this is a Nexus thread. Also, I read you as wanting to hold Google to its own standards of openness, not to the low bar set by Microsoft and Apple.
If I understand you right, it's not enough to say there are worse tyrants... we love Android precisely because it promises freedom from tyranny.
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This goes far beyond simple decisions such as tablet UI. It is the demeanor of Google in taking Tablet UI that does show their direction of thinking though. Android was freedom, it was different than cookie cutter icrap.
Yes I am talking about nexus. It makes no sence whatsoever to refrain from at least making loyal customers aware if they should continue to wait on our chosen favorite devices. However I do not consider this high standards at all but simple common sense. By being so introverted they have driven me and several loyal nexus fans into the arms of others on both the 7 and 10 inch lines. Its not specs or trade secrets we are looking for but simply is there going to be another one or should I look elsewhere. But so many companies have become so large and powerful they dont even care about pissing a few thousand off with rudeness. And then there are the fan boys who defend bad business practices. Secrecy is one thing. Stupidity is another.
I came to android because I felt trapped by Apple and Itunes. As you can see by my sig I like android, and those are just the devices I personally used. This household has 5 times that many devices. Lately though I see Google forcing Google plus on me, i see google messing up youtube comments, I see Google making decisions about a few killobyte lines of code that could easily be defaulted rather than done away with, I see Google being closed mouthed about simple things such as if there will even be a new nexus tablet in a timely manner, and I see Google forgetting why we, the customer, made them great. the first page of a google search is almost entirely adds now. Over all I have been a Google backer, however I find myself pulling away from the monstrosity that I once saw as a bright and more transparent company than Apple or Amazon.
So yes Microsoft is becoming more appealing to me again. At least they had the decency to say, hey we took a butt kicken on surface rt but you can count on us making a surface 2. People knew they would get a refresh and could easily decide if they wanted to wait on it or buy from another company.
I most likely will stay with Android this year but Nexus has lost me simply because of the unreliability of the parent company and its inability to show courtesy. Fortunately other manufacturers of Android tablets are as yet not so crazy.
Another great invention by Matias Duarte?
Like the non rotating portrait UI on the Nexus 7...
I think the guy should really GTFO.
Cholo981 said:
Another great invention by Matias Duarte?
Like the non rotating portrait UI on the Nexus 7...
I think the guy should really GTFO.
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Yes I miss the days of how fast, beautiful, and functional GIngerbread was. Come on man.
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Yes I miss the days of how fast, beautiful, and functional GIngerbread was. Come on man.
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Dude, we are basically coming back to gingerbread, without the tablet UI...
Everything come after ICS in terms of interface, was worst. IMHO.
They wanted the experience to be the same across all of their devices. I personally prefer the tablet UI on a ten inch screen, but whatcha gonna do? Still beats a physical home button!
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Dude, we are basically coming back to gingerbread, without the tablet UI...
Everything come after ICS in terms of interface, was worst. IMHO.
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There have been a lot of what people argue are missteps (these generally being wildly up in the air; even the tablet vs. unified layout debate rages on months later), but a wealth of subtler improvements that take us far and beyond Gingerbread. The comparison is juvenile at best, both at an aesthetic level (Holo has been refined significantly since Ice Cream Sandwich, and the new "Cards" style UI is starting to come into favor) and at a performance level (Project Butter and Project Svelte, among other things).
I've been trying to get this device how I wanted it to be ever since I beta tested it, but due to life, law school, and marriage, I have been noticeably absent from the dev community lately. For that I apologize.
As I am concluding my legal studies, I have began revisiting some of my old broken-ish but bootable code from my Lollipop build, and am considering, if enough people are still using this thing, to try and build Nougat.
The chipset is identical to the Galaxy Nexus, as I am sure most people know at this point, and wollac has did one helluva job putting in the work to form a solid base to build upon. Admittedly, this is going to be a moderately-difficult project, bordering on a labor of nostalgia, but if there is enough interest, I will get to work so we can keep using this obsolete bowling ball for another year or two. I still use the KitKat build as an amp and NES emulator.
Let me know what you guys think.
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I'm definitely interested, I would love to be able to use my Q with the original LED functionality
+1 on the LED functionality, but I fear that there aren't many in circulation anymore... Mine is gathering dust underneath the TV, a chromecast does its intended functionality much better :/
I just bought one, and I'm not sure how I can even use it at this point. Are you still considering development of something for the q?
I still have mine literally sitting there until something comes along. I would welcome any development on the Q!
I'll echo the others... I have mine sitting the corner of my office, under the printer waiting and hoping for it to be usable one day. I unfortunately bought mine right after they pulled the plug, not know about it so it has never actually worked! I really just hope to be able see the LEDs and stream music to it, even if just through chromecast. I heard it had a great amp and I have some old quality speakers laying around somewhere.
I'm interested as well. I'd love to be able to use it as a chromecast audio, or something similar. Personally, I'd prefer to be able to use it without a display.
does anyone know how to get the Nexus Q software? Got one without the manuals or software
I am interested. What would be the goal though?
There has to be a limited amount of these in existence and it would be neat to be able to use it for something useful.
Is a Chromecast type device reasonable? I'd use it in my office just as a novelty.
I would love something newer than the 4.4 build on this forum currently, and get some use out of this dustcollector. Personally i would like to just get the amp working, any other functionality I really dont care too much about.
Anything Lollipop or better would be great. I use the Google ADT-1 with stock Lollipop and really like it. Works fine for me. Maybe Kit Kat could be OK but I'm not sure.
I am interested. How do I get started?
I'll give this a +1
I still got mine and been thinking what to do with it... any new development i wouldnt mind trying.
I am interested in the restart as well
I have two and would love to use them.
Hi. I interested in Android 7. Youtube and youtube Music still working on Android 7, so i can build media-center on Q with android 6+.