hey all, i was just wondering if anyone knows the differences between the tests that crystaldiskmark does to test the speed of a storage device.
there are 4 different tests: sequential, 512k, 4k, and 4kQD32. read and write tests for each type of test.
thanks!
EDIT: heres a screenshot of my results:
I can't tell you about all of them, but sequential writes are what your card class is all about. A class X card is supposed to write a minimum of X MB/s. Your class 6 is writing well above its rating, congrats.
The other I can mention is 4kQD32 writes -- according to the Nook Color folks, it's very helpful for performance of SD installs of Android, so if we ever get an sd install here, hold on to that card. Higher class cards, 6 and 10, often do horrible in that 4k writes category. Class 2 and 4 Sandisks seem to have the best track record, but your transcend isn't half bad, and my best 4k writer is a no name card that outperforms my other 2 sandisks and a samsung. Source.
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I can't tell you about all of them, but sequential writes are what your card class is all about. A class X card is supposed to write a minimum of X MB/s. Your class 6 is writing well above its rating, congrats.
The other I can mention is 4kQD32 writes -- according to the Nook Color folks, it's very helpful for performance of SD installs of Android, so if we ever get an sd install here, hold on to that card. Higher class cards, 6 and 10, often do horrible in that 4k writes category. Class 2 and 4 Sandisks seem to have the best track record, but your transcend isn't half bad, and my best 4k writer is a no name card that outperforms my other 2 sandisks and a samsung. Source.
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All right thanks. Its weird though I was just trying to copy a huge amount of files to my sd card (about 6.5 gb) and it was writing at like 3 mb's per second. Does the size of the transfer affect the write speed since this test was only using a 50 mb file?
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Copying lots of little files, in my experience, goes slower than copying a single large file. When I copy a video onto my card, I get close to the max speed. When I copy directories full of files, anything goes.
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Copying lots of little files, in my experience, goes slower than copying a single large file. When I copy a video onto my card, I get close to the max speed. When I copy directories full of files, anything goes.
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Ok well I guess this sd card isn't all too bad then... really wanting to get a 32 gb card but trying to wait until I can get a better deal for it... you think a sandisk class 4 32 gb is good enough for games and videos?? I haven't seen any class 6 32 gb cards anywhere... not even sure if they exist...
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you think a sandisk class 4 32 gb is good enough for games and videos??
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I have a SanDisk Class 4 32 gb card for my Nook Tablet and it seems to work fine for games like GTA3, Angry Birds, etc. as well as .avi movies.
I tend to agree with Nookie. Depending on its actual performance (sandisks often outperform their minimum write rating, but not always), it might be frustrating to copy the files over, but viewing videos and playing games will work just fine even on a class 2. Fast sequential read speeds are easy to come by, and frankly they don't have to be all that fast to view even HD video. Your games are going to load into ram and play from there and perform just fine.
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I'm familiar with the difference between the class 4 (4MB/s transfer speed) and the class 6 (6MB/s transfer speed). But is there any value in using a class 6 card on the XV6800 (regardless of size)?
I ask because I have a 4GB class 6 A-Data microSDHC card in my XV6800 right now and there is no problem at all with it. However, I am considering purchasing an 8GB class 4 Sandisk microSDHC card. So it got me thinking, even thought the A-Data card is capable of a faster transfer speed, that doesn't mean the XV6800 is ever actually using that extra speed. So would I see any slowdown if I moved to a "slower" spec'd microsdhc card?
I looked around for transfer speeds on the XV6800's microSD card slot and didn't come across anything.
Anyway have any data on this? Thanks in advance.
Depends some on what you are using it for but I doubt you will notice much of a difference. When transferring using a card and a card reader from your computer you may notice a difference but otherwise the interface in the phone itself doesn't seem to be all that fast anyway.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the comment, but that's why I'm asking if anyone has any actual data. The device either reads and writes to the microsd card slot above 4MB/s or it does not. I have not found a way to benchmark it so I'm looking for some actual detail. But thank you.
So I found an application that is supposed to measure the transfer speeds of the card slot on a Windows Mobile device. It's from Audacity Audio. The link on Softpedia is here.
I'm familiar with the application because I used the Palm OS version on my old Treo 700P. The problem is that he results always seem inconsistent and confusing.
In any event, I ran the test on two different microSD cards. The first is an empty 1GB Sandisk microSD card with. These cards don't have a "class" rating. The second is a 4GB AData Class 6 microSDHC card. I still had 2.5GB of the 4GB empty.
1GB
Wrt32bit/Wrt8KB/Read8KB
1105/330572/7943757
1105/335208/7710117
1123/366634/7710117
1030/311705/7489828
1070/306242/7489828
Avg
1086/330072/7668729
4GB
1462/109317/6393756
527/111408/6241523
1462/119482/4161015
517/85724/6241523
1581/126334/6241523
Avg
1109/110453/5855868
Honestly, the scores don't seem to make much sense. The read speeds all indicate north of 4MB/s and most of the time above 6MB/s. That's good. But the write speeds seem pointless. 330KB/s (.3MB/s) for the 1GB and 110KB/s (.1MB/s) for the 4GB ?!?!?! That doesn't seem right.
Anyway, any ideas would be welcome.
Write speeds are typically going to be a great deal slower for flash memory. And larger cards being even slower for writing makes a twisted sort of sense. All flash cards have "load-leveling" algorithms built into them to spread the writes across the flash disk in order to reuse locations as little as possible (flash memory cells have a limited lifetime). So the bigger the card, the more memory the load leveler has to manage. Of course, I could have it completely wrong....
So i recently rooted and ive pretty much just been putting roms on my sdcard and checking each one out... is my sd card going to be able to handle a lot of roms on it? or should i just keep one on at a time so its not as full.... also are there things on the sd card that i can just delete and dont really need?
I doubt that you'll have to worry about filling up your SD card with roms. Most roms range from 50mb to 100mb so you can fit at least 10 in 1 GB. Your card holds a little less than 8 GB due to other various things that you download that install data and folders to the SD card. Unless you go crazy with holding a lot of music or videos on you card, then you should be fine. I'd be more concerned with the internal phone storage, as that being filled up would possibly slow down the phone a bit. As far as what folders you need or not, just open them up and double check what is inside. It's usually easy to tell if the folder contains something that might be useful. If nothing else, the phone will automatically install the folder again if it's important to a function it thinks is needed. Hope this helps...
i have most Eris ROMs posted in these forums (22 different flavors ). including multiple versions of some... all stored on my sdcard
my entire ROM folder is 3.34GB. i do, however, have a 16gb SDcard...
If I bought a faster SD card for my phone would it see a performance increase? I hear there are multiple classes of SD card so if I buy a higher class (better) would I be able to see the difference?
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If I bought a faster SD card for my phone would it see a performance increase? I hear there are multiple classes of SD card so if I buy a higher class (better) would I be able to see the difference?
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Upgrading to a Class 6 sdcard would give a noticeable improvement if you use a2sd. Other than that it would be minimal for file transfers...
here are the classes:
* Class 2: 16 Mbit/s (2 MB/s)
* Class 4: 32 Mbit/s (4 MB/s)
* Class 6: 48 Mbit/s (6 MB/s)
* Class 10: 80 Mbit/s (10 MB/s)
the cards aren't cheap... and for the money, i don't think the return is that great. i found a CHEAP deal on a class 4 card, but don't do anything but apps2sd. no "real" performance increase. a class 6 card is of course faster, but i honestly doubt you'll notice any "major" performance increase, regardless of configuration (i.e., swap on sd, apps on sd, etc). there are varying opinions on this topic, but that's my .02. i'd say the money would be better spent elsewhere... maybe even donating to a dev lol
however, moving files to/from sd to pc, etc, will be faster... may cut down on flashing ROMs by a few seconds
I see. Thanks for the info. Do you know what the Eris has? I think a Class 10 can be around 60 dollars lol I'd much rather donate to a dev.
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I see. Thanks for the info. Do you know what the Eris has? I think a Class 10 can be around 60 dollars lol I'd much rather donate to a dev.
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8GB Class 2
Oh I see. So they're pretty low.
I'm confused on the Class rating for SD cards. I understand it to be a write-speed rating, and in my usage I'm more concerned with read throughput. My goal is to watch 480p and 720p content without jitters, and I'm not sure if the higher class matters or not for reads.
Thanks!
The write speed is going to be the same as the read speed. With flash memory fragmentation doesn't effect read speed much because of the low access time. With writing the card has to find an empty cell and write which could effect the writing performance. The class signifies that under heavy fragmentation the card should write at the speed of the class (i.e. class 10 should be 10 Mb/s). Also, regardless of fragmentation the card should read at the speed of the class. So in your case if your not needing high speed write then a class 2 or 4 should be fine. I personally wouldn't go below 4 because you never know if you might need the extra speed later.
Looking at Wikipedia the class is both Read & Write.
I personally use class 4 16GB cards and they seem to do the job fine on the re-encoded 1080/720 content I have on them.
I have a Class 10 Patriot Micro SDHC card and it works fine. I also tested with a Patriot SDHC (full size) in the sock and works fine. Both tested with 720p H264 MOV.
Heh I would be worried if a class 10 (being the fastest you can get) was having issues
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a class 10 is perfect for anything and ull only spend another maybe 10then a class 4. i only get class 10s or higher for my phones and cameras just in case i need the extra power
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Full size SD's are pretty similar in price between classes but microSD's are insanely different... £17 for a class4 16GB or £40 for class10
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The write speed is going to be the same as the read speed. With flash memory fragmentation doesn't effect read speed much because of the low access time. With writing the card has to find an empty cell and write which could effect the writing performance. The class signifies that under heavy fragmentation the card should write at the speed of the class (i.e. class 10 should be 10 Mb/s). Also, regardless of fragmentation the card should read at the speed of the class. So in your case if your not needing high speed write then a class 2 or 4 should be fine. I personally wouldn't go below 4 because you never know if you might need the extra speed later.
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No. The class is the garunteed write speed, the read speed has no relation and can vary from card to card. I am using one of two cards in my tab, one a class 4 and the other a class 2 and neither have ever come close to having an issue streaming. The class 4 can read at over 16mb/s, Ive tested it.
The only reason to pay for a C6 or higher card is because you need to push data to it quickly., like recording video.
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No. The class is the garunteed write speed, the read speed has no relation and can vary from card to card. I am using one of two cards in my tab, one a class 4 and the other a class 2 and neither have ever come close to having an issue streaming. The class 4 can read at over 16mb/s, Ive tested it.
The only reason to pay for a C6 or higher card is because you need to push data to it quickly., like recording video.
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+1. This is the correct answer. Good cards typically read much faster than the write speed.
Read speed is not correlated to the write speed or class rating at all...and in most cases, it's way higher than the write speed...
so theoretically even a class 1 card (if you can find one) is able to stream 720P content without much issues..but it will take forever to copy the content onto the card.
my class 10 card reads over 30MB/s and my class 4 does around 16MB/s
What card do you have? I was looking into getting one.
Hey Guys
Am looking for a suitable Microsd Class rating ( am going for Sandisk, 16 GB or 8GB) for my Motorola Photon. I am going to install a lot of games, specially those Tegra 2 ones, Max Payne and others too, and alot of apps on the phone.And i might use Link2SD to move them to the SD card to keep Phone memory less occupied.
So as to what i feel is that i'd be requiring good read/write speeds for games, plus proper loading of apps (in time, i don't want lags at all). the problem is, according to the Price, i can go for 8GB class 6 or 16GB class 4. What do u guys think i should go for? would it really matter? i know class ratings are the Writing Speeds, but who knows?
Regards
Save up for a Class 10. There is a world of difference between a class 4 and a class 10 especially when using ROMs that have the SDSpeed tweaks.
I like class 4 personally as write speed really only affects installing imho. lower write cards tend to have higher read as well. SanDisk as a brand makes Damn fine cards which I think brand makes more difference than class overall.
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@Loki,
What about a Sandisk 8 or 16GB Ultra at UHS 1 speed?
i read the following on Wikipedia about UHS Cards
"Cards that comply with UHS show UHS-I or UHS-II on the label, and report this capability to the host device. Use of UHS requires that the host device command the card to drop from 3.3-volt to 1.8-volt operation and select the 4-bit transfer mode".
Is above compliant with Motorola Photon? I cant seem to find a Sandisk card with a Class 10 rating else than this one.
@Cornelius,
i think that when playing a game, the Phone might want to Read/Write data during play times even.Reading happens all the time, but Writing would also take place. But as Loki said, i'd be interested in trying these ROMs with SDSpeed tweaks. i really want no lags at all...
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it really depends on the game, but writes happen way less than reads in most cases. class 10 is more for pictures and videos in my humble opinion. most games were it matters, it's a 400+ mb 1 Time download and then massive reads.
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What about apps? they would also be fine with Class 4? i use a Sandisk 16GB class 4 in my Sansa Fuze all the time, and never had a problem with it, but i dont want my phone to lag at all. Apps might need to Read and Write in real time right??
Regards
if finances are an issue, than here is a G Skill brand 32gb class 6 for $15 shipped.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ction-_-cables-_-na-_-na&Item=N82E16820231603
usually in 99.99% of cases read is more important than write. usually writes are so small they don't matter.
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Lexar 32GB Class 10 $26
I'm averaging 11MB Write and 21MB Read on Imperium Initiatve
high write or high read its always a compromise. if your that worried about hints of lag use the smallest sdcard you can get by with.
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@Lokifish Marz
One suggestion was Class 10 microSD, and when paired up with ROMs that have SDSpeed tweaks, where does the difference lie (imagining u have experiences with class 10 and SDSpeed tweaks)? What is better than when a class 4 is used?
Plus what tool do u use to get the Read/Write speeds? i suppose its on ur phone only? Also i am thinking of pulling the trigger on an 8GB Class 10 Sandisk. I live in India and Amazon is not an option.....only ebay.in is....
@Cornelius, i agree with what u say about reading going on way more than writing, but then what about SSDs in computers? the performance boost is just because of the Increase in read speeds and not write? I know it gets pretty complex in computers, swap and pagefiles, etc, but faster HDDs mean faster computers, and even though writing happens lesser than reading on the phones, but some writing must be happening that bottlenecks the speed of the phone. am i Right? just trying to learn here from u guys.
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no I'm saying a class 4 usually has a higher read speed than a class 10 but yes the big boost from ssd hdd is the read in 99% of cases.
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@Lokifish Marz
One suggestion was Class 10 microSD, and when paired up with ROMs that have SDSpeed tweaks, where does the difference lie (imagining u have experiences with class 10 and SDSpeed tweaks)? What is better than when a class 4 is used?
Plus what tool do u use to get the Read/Write speeds? i suppose its on ur phone only? Also i am thinking of pulling the trigger on an 8GB Class 10 Sandisk. I live in India and Amazon is not an option.....only ebay.in is....
@Cornelius, i agree with what u say about reading going on way more than writing, but then what about SSDs in computers? the performance boost is just because of the Increase in read speeds and not write? I know it gets pretty complex in computers, swap and pagefiles, etc, but faster HDDs mean faster computers, and even though writing happens lesser than reading on the phones, but some writing must be happening that bottlenecks the speed of the phone. am i Right? just trying to learn here from u guys.
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I am not sure what class 4 Cornelius is using. I don't have one but do have a class 6 Lexar from the same family as my class 10. On Imperium, the class 6 was slower than the class 10 in every aspect:
Lexar 8GB
class 6
Write- 5.8MB/s
Read- 18.8MB/s
The SDpeed tweaks, when set up correctly, improve read speeds across the board. It does tend to max out at a read speed of 20-25MB/s on Imperium. Further tuning may improve this but haven't had the time. I haven't tried any of the UHS cards yet. The big drawback with lower class cards is going to be your write speeds, the falloff on write speeds is there but not as much.
I'm not saying that Cornelius is wrong, just in my personal experience with flash storage has been different. Having used flash storage as everything from regular use to building flash storage based workstations, the lower class rating has a noticeable impact on write speeds but not so noticeable impact on read speeds on a tuned setup.
I only use SanDisk cards, used to go Kingston but they kinda fell out a while back.
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I'm using the newer Samsung cards and they make quality memory as well. As cheap as a class 10 card can be had why not go for that over a lower class card?
Hi guys
I'm looking to buy a Micro sd card, samsung 32GB, class 10
So my questions are:
1- If someone already using sd card just like this one, tell me is it working fine with your android device?
2- Do you think that patriot or some other manufacturer cards are better then samsung?
3- Does your phone in some cases really feals faster with an sd card with bigger class number ( does reading speed of your card effect phone's speed? )
4- I heard that class 6 ( 6 MBps ) is more than enough for android devices, and also that some class 10 cards slow down a device, is it true?
5- Will i ever have enough memory on my phone
I know that there are the same threads on forum somewhere, but i need answers quickly and thats why im opening this one..
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Hi guys
I'm looking to buy a Micro sd card, samsung 32GB, class 10
So my questions are:
1- If someone already using sd card just like this one, tell me is it working fine with your android device?
2- Do you think that patriot or some other manufacturer cards are better then samsung?
3- Does your phone in some cases really feals faster with an sd card with bigger class number ( does reading speed of your card effect phone's speed? )
4- I heard that class 6 ( 6 MBps ) is more than enough for android devices, and also that some class 10 cards slow down a device, is it true?
5- Will i ever have enough memory on my phone
I know that there are the same threads on forum somewhere, but i need answers quickly and thats why im opening this one..
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1. It works fine.
2. It just user preference. Their both great.
3. Reading and writing to the SD card will be faster. It won't affect phone speed unless your device is using certain mods such as swaps, int.ext. sd swaps, etc. or you have apps on your SD card.
4. While class 6 may be quite fast for a device, there is no way a class 10 could be slower.
5. That's up to you .
tnx Theonew
if i understood it well, an app called swapper 2 can allow device to use some memory from partitioned sd card like a ram memory and provide it a slightly better multitasking, and speed.. ?
And i have read that it can also affect an sd card's life..
So, is it worth it?
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tnx Theonew
if i understood it well, an app called swapper 2 can allow device to use some memory from partitioned sd card like a ram memory and provide it a slightly better multitasking, and speed.. ?
And i have read that it can also affect an sd card's life..
So, is it worth it?
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Yes, swapping can degrade the life of the SD card but it is worth it if your device is a low-end one (and slow). It will assist in stuff like gaming, etc.
No, I really don't think its worth it. It really affects the cards life and does not really add much ram, even for slow phones...
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No, I really don't think its worth it. It really affects the cards life and does not really add much ram, even for slow phones...
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An additional 256mb is quite a lot compared to 192mb (total).
Quick benchmark of Samsung SD card class 10 in the ASUS Transformer TF101.
Code:
[email protected]:/home/kuisma# hdparm -t /dev/block/mmcblk1p2
/dev/block/mmcblk1p2:
Timing buffered disk reads: 60 MB in 3.09 seconds = 19.43 MB/sec
Reference, the internal nand flash (/data partition):
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[email protected]:/home/kuisma# hdparm -t /dev/block/mmcblk0p7
/dev/block/mmcblk0p7:
Timing buffered disk reads: 52 MB in 3.10 seconds = 16.79 MB/sec
If comparing read vs write, large blocks vs small, sequential vs random etc, the SD Cards wins a few times, the internal flash a few. It's more or less a draw. I would say this SD card got "good enough" performance, although far from SSD performance.
good enough for smartphone
are you talking about solid state disk?
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are you talking about solid state disk?
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"SSD" was referring to "solid state disk", yes.
i found one for a 40€, micro sd, 32 gb class 10, its a good price here, im buying it next week
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