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So coming from the world of iPad.. yeah yeah, groan, another one of these, haha... I find that there's a big gap that Samsung\Android\Google has in the following areas when it comes to apps for tablet:
- Lack of an easy way to sort by "tablet optimized" ... the market has a Tablet featured section, but it doesn't seem to be able to search and sort by tablet only apps. This is very difficult to navigate.
- The term HD used to mean tablet optimized, but it seems this is becoming less and less common as some phones are now "HD" so the developers are more and more reluctant to call them HD to mean Tablet Edition.
Does anyone have any advice for me as to a good way to sort through and find apps specifically designed for the Tablet devices? I have the 10.1 so obviously the tablet apps are kinda a must, otherwise my eyes hurt looking at the low-res conversions of phone apps, haha.
Or is there a tracker that tracks Android TABLET Versions of apps available and as they come out?
There is a thread in the xoom or transformer forum that is keeping track of tablet compatible apps.
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There is a thread in the xoom or transformer forum that is keeping track of tablet compatible apps.
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No link? (usually it's customary to provide the link when referencing another forum)... kinda gives credibility to the comment, hehe.
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No link?
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bella92108 said:
Entitlement in this country is so strange
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Way to try and boost your post count. Congrats on posting the most worthless post of the day. You clearly need to look up the word entitlement and educate yourself as to what's entitlement and what's not.
Oh by the way, I just found a website selling the Galaxy Tab 10.1 32 GB models for $529... wanna know the link? Oh, it's on google, or yahoo or somewhere.
The point is when someone asks a question, and you take the time to respond, it's generally the norm that if you're are going to point them in the direction in the name of being helpful, that you indicate a location of a thread.. Saying they thought they saw something, maybe in the xoom, maybe in the transformer thread, that narrows it down to only about 2500 threads. Common sense. If you don't know an answer it's OK to say I DONT KNOW, or say nothing at all.
A smart man keeps his mouth shut when he doesn't know an answer.
EDIT - I just did a review of your last 10 posts. Every one you argue for the sake of arguing, providing zero benefit to any of the 150 conversations you've participated in over the past 4 years.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1032381
Took about one minute to find
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1032381
Took about one minute to find
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Ahh, yes, I've read this post before and was afraid that's what that user was referring to.
Unfortunately the question I asked was not which apps are COMPATIBLE with Android 3.1\Galaxy Tab, but that are in fact optimized for Galaxy Tab.
Sorry I thought I was clear. I understand most apps will run and be compatible with 3.1. but their resolution is poor ... so I was more looking for info as to if there is a thread where someone is keeping track of native tablet apps as they're released.
Thanks!
EDIT: I re-read my OP, and I was clear that I wasn't looking for a "compatible app" list as most apps are in fact compatible, but in fact looking for tablet-optimized\specific apps.
if you read that thread, you would see that there is a green asterisk next to all apps that are optimized for tablet viewing. Honestly, someone has to do the work of compiling these lists...if you're unhappy with what's available, create one!
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if you read that thread, you would see that there is a green asterisk next to all apps that are optimized for tablet viewing. Honestly, someone has to do the work of compiling these lists...if you're unhappy with what's available, create one!
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Yeah, was going to create one of the apps as I find them, but no need to reinvent the wheel until I've asked if anyone has already, hehe.
I'll open a thread in the general or apps section under galaxy tab 10.1
I had that same question and I wrote to someone at the Android Market and this is the response I got:
"Thank you for your feedback. The ‘Android Apps for Tablets’ section contains featured apps for the tablet. As you’ve mentioned, it isn’t a comprehensive listing of all apps that are designed for your Honeycomb tablet.
If an app is listed in the Android Market accessed from the tablet, the developer of the app has indicated that it is compatible with your device.
I appreciate your feedback regarding the labeling of this section and will forward it to the rest of the Android team."
I had asked about apps optimized for tablets/honeycomb...but regardless of what I asked, the above is the response I got.
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I had that same question and I wrote to someone at the Android Market and this is the response I got:
"Thank you for your feedback. The ‘Android Apps for Tablets’ section contains featured apps for the tablet. As you’ve mentioned, it isn’t a comprehensive listing of all apps that are designed for your Honeycomb tablet.
If an app is listed in the Android Market accessed from the tablet, the developer of the app has indicated that it is compatible with your device.
I appreciate your feedback regarding the labeling of this section and will forward it to the rest of the Android team."
I had asked about apps optimized for tablets/honeycomb...but regardless of what I asked, the above is the response I got.
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They don't seem to see value in their own new OS. The biggest anti-android tablet marketing tool Apple is using is "look, they don't even have apps for tablet" and when Android hides them or doesn't give option to show they do have tablet-optimized apps, it makes Apple look right.
1. First I highly suggest you install AppBrain as you'll get a lot more detail from there about apps. Visit appbrain.com and you will see what I mean. It gives you the links to the Android marketplace so you won't have to install unknown apks.
2. Sorry about the people on the forum. Sometimes people can be testy about newbies and their questions. Feel free to PM me with any questions. It takes a while to get the hang of things but the core Android supporters are pretty good at finding things for themselves. We've had plenty of practice.
3. Don't be afraid to start threads about things like this. Most of us don't pay attention to little things like this. To you, this a big thing and I can see it might turn alot of people away from Android tablets if they don't fix it. Perhaps a petition or thousands of e-mails will get their attention.
4. All of the apps I have installed (152) look great. Which ones are you having problems with? E-mail the developers and let us know as well so we can test them out. If they suck, we could all give the developers some feedback on it.
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1. First I highly suggest you install AppBrain as you'll get a lot more detail from there about apps. Visit appbrain.com and you will see what I mean. It gives you the links to the Android marketplace so you won't have to install unknown apks.
2. Sorry about the people on the forum. Sometimes people can be testy about newbies and their questions. Feel free to PM me with any questions. It takes a while to get the hang of things but the core Android supporters are pretty good at finding things for themselves. We've had plenty of practice.
3. Don't be afraid to start threads about things like this. Most of us don't pay attention to little things like this. To you, this a big thing and I can see it might turn alot of people away from Android tablets if they don't fix it. Perhaps a petition or thousands of e-mails will get their attention.
4. All of the apps I have installed (152) look great. Which ones are you having problems with? E-mail the developers and let us know as well so we can test them out. If they suck, we could all give the developers some feedback on it.
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Oh I completely forgot about Appbrain Thanks And thanks for offering to help. I appreciate it.
There are very few apps that don't work... in fact, I haven't run into any that don't work, I was more asking because for example when comparing an app like Stock Alert - Tablet Edition to an app like Fidelity which doesn't have a tablet app (well they have iPad but not Android 3.1 tab yet), I more meant I just like the ones that are specifically made to take advantage of the tablet's great screen size.
Thanks again, you're class all the way, your response picked me up and made my day. I appreciate it.
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I had that same question and I wrote to someone at the Android Market and this is the response I got:
"Thank you for your feedback. The ‘Android Apps for Tablets’ section contains featured apps for the tablet. As you’ve mentioned, it isn’t a comprehensive listing of all apps that are designed for your Honeycomb tablet.
If an app is listed in the Android Market accessed from the tablet, the developer of the app has indicated that it is compatible with your device.
I appreciate your feedback regarding the labeling of this section and will forward it to the rest of the Android team."
I had asked about apps optimized for tablets/honeycomb...but regardless of what I asked, the above is the response I got.
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Let's say it this way. If the Android Market doesn't have a up to date tablet/honeycomb section, it is very difficult for developers to develop tablet optimized apps. Because, why investing in this new platform when you get buried between the 400.000 apps currently on the market?
It's the first section that's on the market's main page... how is it hard to find or view apps marked as tablet friendly?
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It's the first section that's on the market's main page... how is it hard to find or view apps marked as tablet friendly?
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I guess it is even harder to comprehend the word "featured"
Agreed. When visiting the app store on an iPad, there are two very distinct sections, iPhone apps and iPad apps. Everyone knows that the phone apps will run on the tablet, but that's not a reason to lump them all together.
I think the use case is something like this:
1. I need a nice twitter client.
2. Check tablet section for twitter client.
3. If none found, settle for phone version.
Obviously the tablet version (like Tweetcomb) will use fragments to utilize the screen real estate. A phone client would not. The problem with not seperating the app market properly is that you may end up settling for a Honeycomb "compatible" app when there was a much more useful "designed for Honeycomb" app you didn't notice.
I hope I'm wrong, but I feel like people here are hesitant to accept some of these flaws as they try to justify their $500-$600 purchase. I for one love my Tab, if merely for the widget capability and Flash support. We need to realize that the way to bring Android tablets more mainstream is to take our heads out of the sand, accept that these are real issues, and make it known to the powers at be. Ignoring the problems and pretending that all is well with the Honeycomb ecosystem just won't work.
Edit: If Apple isn't too proud to copy Android's multitasking ability, notification system, etc to make a superior product; Android shouldn't hesitate to do the same where it makes sense. It's just good business, and even better for consumers.
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Agreed. When visiting the app store on an iPad, there are two very distinct sections, iPhone apps and iPad apps. Everyone knows that the phone apps will run on the tablet, but that's not a reason to lump them all together.
I think the use case is something like this:
1. I need a nice twitter client.
2. Check tablet section for twitter client.
3. If none found, settle for phone version.
Obviously the tablet version (like Tweetcomb) will use fragments to utilize the screen real estate. A phone client would not. The problem with not seperating the app market properly is that you may end up settling for a Honeycomb "compatible" app when there was a much more useful "designed for Honeycomb" app you didn't notice.
I hope I'm wrong, but I feel like people here are hesitant to accept some of these flaws as they try to justify their $500-$600 purchase. I for one love my Tab, if merely for the widget capability and Flash support. We need to realize that the way to bring Android tablets more mainstream is to take our heads out of the sand, accept that these are real issues, and make it known to the powers at be. Ignoring the problems and pretending that all is well with the Honeycomb ecosystem just won't work.
Edit: If Apple isn't too proud to copy Android's multitasking ability, notification system, etc to make a superior product; Android shouldn't hesitate to do the same where it makes sense. It's just good business, and even better for consumers.
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Totally agree with you Blaine. There's no reason why they can't use the exact same structure and call it something else. Apple is taking features like BBM and now Google is working on their own. The market is getting better but it should be further along now.
I wonder how we as consumers can get this message across. I try using other App Markets but I would really like the Google Marketplace to get with the program. They should at least require them to put HD in the title or market them with a special color.
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It's the first section that's on the market's main page... how is it hard to find or view apps marked as tablet friendly?
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Not here in Europe. There is nothing that even remotely refer to such a category or section.
http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/?hl=en_US
We should all e-mail the Android Market support team and tell them of this. I'm going to link to this thread in my correspondence.
I have not updated my Evo View Tablet to Honeycomb for the unacceptable flaws in its' design. I can't believe more people are not in uproar about this.
I used a View Tablet with the Honeycomb update, and it has some major design flaws, here they are:
-The top 25% of the screen can not be used to place widgets and/or apps
-The white soft-key buttons are disabled (how does it make sense to render a piece of hardware on the device useless? )
-The menu icon on the bottom appears while in certain situations and migrates to the top in other situations
-The notification pull down (or pull up rather) menu is scattered and sloppy.
-The main settings window has a glaring white background , where as on all other android software , it has always been a black background.
the GO-launcher is necessary in order to actually utilize the entire screen, and to ofcoarse customize the grid sizes , icon sizes, resize widgets, but the bottom on-screen buttons end up creating a sort of glitch at the bottom of the screen.
Threads like these have been made before, the most common "gb vs hc". Similar opinions have been expressed there. No need to create a new thread to explain and whine about what has been explained and whined about. Don't like it? Downgrade. Nobody is stopping you.
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Threads like these have been made before, the most common "gb vs hc". Similar opinions have been expressed there. No need to create a new thread to explain and whine about what has been explained and whined about. Don't like it? Downgrade. Nobody is stopping you.
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you can't downgrade , unless you "root" the thing.
Im sorry, i was not aware there was "gb vs hc" threads, i haven't found any on this forum.
You know..there are a few things I want from my tablet not currently offered..
Once the pen functionality gets imported into an ICS rom, no one is even going to care about HC or Gb anyway..
And if they release the code for that we will be able to perfect the fujitsu cheapo version.. too...
Hm.. I really need to set up my comp to contribute to a project. x.x
see , you guys are adept at installing custom roms and "rooting" but for those of that just want to stick with factory default software, we're at mercy to these ridiculous flaws . Luckily , Gingerbread works perfectly , especially in conjunction with GOLauncherEx
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-The white soft-key buttons are disabled (how does it make sense to render a piece of hardware on the device useless? )
-The menu icon on the bottom appears while in certain situations and migrates to the top in other situations
-The main settings window has a glaring white background , where as on all other android software , it has always been a black background.
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While there are some valid points to your criticisms, it's important to recognize that the blame for some of these items doesn't rest with Honeycomb. Where the menu icon appears is dictated within the app itself. It's true that the placement is inconsistent but I think that stems from some apps being optimized for phones (when it's on the bottom) and some being optimized for tablets (when it's on the top right).
While it may be sub-optimal to turn of the soft keys, it's still better than if they had been actual physical buttons, and it was HTC's decision in the first place to release a tablet that doesn't run the tablet OS. I feel that they actually did a decent job dealing with the issue, as I don't notice the soft keys now that they're off. Would I turn them back on, given the option? Maybe - I don't know yet. Would the menu button work consistently in all apps? I don't know that either.
I think some of the issues you have deal with HTC Sense, especially within the Settings. I too hate how the settings look, but the stock Honeycomb Settings (and dialog boxes, etc) are much less offensive.
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You know..there are a few things I want from my tablet not currently offered..
Once the pen functionality gets imported into an ICS rom, no one is even going to care about HC or Gb anyway..
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I too am hoping ICS becomes reality on the Flyer/View, but in all fairness it's not going to drastically change the user experience compared to HC. The HC-specific complaints here apply to ICS too.
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I too am hoping ICS becomes reality on the Flyer/View, but in all fairness it's not going to drastically change the user experience compared to HC. The HC-specific complaints here apply to ICS too.
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Except that can active the hardware buttons and remove the onscreen buttons thus offering you more screen space...
Scoh said:
see , you guys are adept at installing custom roms and "rooting" but for those of that just want to stick with factory default software, we're at mercy to these ridiculous flaws . Luckily , Gingerbread works perfectly , especially in conjunction with GOLauncherEx
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If you have the ability to read you have the ability to learn, therefore you have the ability to root.
If you don't want to root/jailbreak your at the mercy of ridiculous flaws no matter what.
Every device has flaws that most people would love to change from the iphone to android to all the windows mobile phones.
If you don't believe me, examine the "jailbreak culture".
Not trying to be mean, but if a device doesn't do what you want and your not willing to do something about it.. then it is hard to take your complaints entirely seriously..
A lot of people here put forth a lot of time and energy fixing the things your complaining about. When your unwilling to read and use their solutions and you complain anyway.. your complaints are likely to be met with some degree of hostility.
The culture of XDA isn't "epinions" or "newegg reviews" it is one of learning, teaching and hands on experience.
I respect the fact that people want different things in their devices, and even request things here.. But, when your not requesting, your not asking if something is possible to work on it yourself.. Your essentially saying "WAH i don't want to put forth the effort to fix something that is possible to be fixed, but I want you guys to listen to me complain anyway!"..
I have learned the hard way that within the more nerdy subculture of modding there is a tendency of "Read, learn, or go find someone who cares".
I like my flyer
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Except that can active the hardware buttons and remove the onscreen buttons thus offering you more screen space...
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TIL - interesting. The thing I keep running into, mentally, with ICS is that it still has two distinct interfaces, one for phones and the other for tablets. While the UI is now more consistent, phone ICS retains the top status bar like GB while tablet ICS is not too different from HC.
Won't any ICS build that ends up on the Flyer/View be tablet-based? If so, it seems that the status bar would always be on the bottom, buttons or not. It will be interesting to see how this develops.
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TIL - interesting. The thing I keep running into, mentally, with ICS is that it still has two distinct interfaces, one for phones and the other for tablets. While the UI is now more consistent, phone ICS retains the top status bar like GB while tablet ICS is not too different from HC.
Won't any ICS build that ends up on the Flyer/View be tablet-based? If so, it seems that the status bar would always be on the bottom, buttons or not. It will be interesting to see how this develops.
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One of the major points of ICS is to provide flexibility to all needed hardware.
Even if tablet based, they will probably account for the buttons.
ICS is essentially HC with a few new features thrown in and the ability to run on smaller screens. They even share most of the same source code. Since ICS is built on top of HC, don't expect drastic changes. Most of what people whine about can already be easily gotten on rooted ROMs and it will continue to be that way with ICS. Rooting gives you the opportunity to have it your way to a greater extent. But you can't have it your way all the way, that only happens at Burger King.
Considering HTC designed tablet HW for the outdated GB OS, its not that bad. Yeah the hard buttons are now a relic of the late 90s, but the Flyer still screams and look pretty darn good with HC.
And since we are on a rant thread. Why the @%## can't we have a thread about important stuff like this from the CES show?
http://www.tomshardware.com/picturestory/584-ces-2012-booth-babe-model.html#xtor=RSS-182
The View with Honeycomb is a true small tablet. With GB it's really a big phone. Some people want a tablet, some want a phone. Your call on what you want. I love HC and would love even more to see ICS. With cypher-rom and dolphin browser, my tablet pulls up web pages just as fast as my girlfriend's transformer prime, which is shocking to me at least. Can't wait till we get an OC kernel for honeycomb on the view.
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The View with Honeycomb is a true small tablet. With GB it's really a big phone. Some people want a tablet, some want a phone.
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This is a great way to describe it. With ICS' flexibility it will be interesting to see if someone makes a ROM with the phone status bar and HW buttons - would be very GB-like!
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I can't believe more people are not in uproar about this.
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If you read around this forum just a little, you would know the these issues have been discussed ad nauseum.
I disagree that HC is a downgrade. Yes there are downsides (and you pointed most of them out, but left off a couple of others such as the reduction in the number of home screens) but there are two major upsides that seal the deal for me:
1) The ability to use the pen in all apps is huge. I've got drawing programs that were simply begging for pen input in GB that suddenly fulfil their full potential in HC. Also, if you ever RDP to a windows worstation, having the pen available for choosing tiny menu items is a vast improvement over having to use your big fat finger.
2) Honeycomb fixes the bug in Gingerbread in which when placed in landscape mode and paired to a bluetooth keyboard the arrow keys do not map correctly. In Honecomb they do, and given the amount of writing I do on my Flyer this, too, is massive.
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This is a great way to describe it. With ICS' flexibility it will be interesting to see if someone makes a ROM with the phone status bar and HW buttons - would be very GB-like!
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That is the number 2 reason I want ICS... Number one is full HW acceleration makes a single core tab feel very dual core (gf has a nexus s with cm9, the difference was astonishing). Actually... Number 2 is the task switching is very webos
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The only two negatives I have since updating are the battery seems to drain faster and I miss the hardware buttons. Other than that I think HoneyComb is better. The internet no longer crashes, use to crash at least twice a day with Gingerbread. Also like being able to better organize the icons on the home screen.
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Well said.
10chcar
Snow_fox said:
If you have the ability to read you have the ability to learn, therefore you have the ability to root.
If you don't want to root/jailbreak your at the mercy of ridiculous flaws no matter what.
Every device has flaws that most people would love to change from the iphone to android to all the windows mobile phones.
If you don't believe me, examine the "jailbreak culture".
Not trying to be mean, but if a device doesn't do what you want and your not willing to do something about it.. then it is hard to take your complaints entirely seriously..
A lot of people here put forth a lot of time and energy fixing the things your complaining about. When your unwilling to read and use their solutions and you complain anyway.. your complaints are likely to be met with some degree of hostility.
The culture of XDA isn't "epinions" or "newegg reviews" it is one of learning, teaching and hands on experience.
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This. Well said. I don't mean it in a harsh way either. I was completely phone/computer impaired before I decided I didn't want to wait for voice to text (2.1) on my moto droid. It took about ten minutes to root and flash that phone. Now I'm hooked, and I learned a TON of stuff in the process. If your upset enough to post about it, shouldn't you be motivated enough to spend a few minutes just fixing it yourself
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Hi everyone,
Sooo I'm looking for any news on the 'Net for the ICS update for my phone the HTC Amaze 4G.
Instead of finding about an update, I find news fast-forwarding my phone becoming an insta-brick courtesy of Google:
"Android Developers say bye to Menu button And say hello to the Action Bar
Mobile phones News
By John McCann
Friday at 16:17 UTC | Tell us what you think [ 4 comments ]
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Less buttons - more touchy touchy
Android Developers are being reminded by Google to shift their attention away from the Menu button and focus instead on the Action Bar.
The Menu button function is commonplace in pre-3.0 versions of Google's Android operating system. It allows users to view options for a particular application by pressing the Menu button on their device.
With the introduction of Honeycomb (version 3.0) and now Ice Cream Sandwich (version 4.0) the function has become redundant as these operating systems remove the need for physical buttons.
All change please
This year we expect to see a new wave of devices running Ice Cream Sandwich, so developers need to make sure they update their apps to use the Action Bar.
Developers need to follow the new Android user experience as many Android devices are expected in 2012 to feature button free designs.
Apps will continue to work on the new software, with Google building an action overflow button which acts as the menu button.
The action overflow button will display on all applications which have not been updated to Android 3.0+, even if they do not require it.
Are you all for button free devices, or will you be pining for your menu, home and back buttons?
From Android Developers"
THIS crap upsets me greatly: I just spent $$$ on an unlocked phone (Amaze 4G) and now Android is calling the hardware shots??????? What a load of junk.
It seems like Google wants to be a monopoly too....And we thought Iphones were bad...
How do you folks feel about this?
stefnuts
lol thats for apps not phone software you crazy lol
The op is spreading F.U.D.
Fricking
Useless
Data
Settle down cowboy.
This is Googles OS, they can do whatever they want with it. they can stop supporting it if they really wanted. Just like HP did with webos. I dont mind this really though at all, i liked the way WP7 was with all touch screen pretty much
just because google is recommending/wanting to do this the phone manufacturers still have to be on board. seen this posted elsewhere are people were mighty pissed about their buttons (maybe) going away. money talks and if manufacturer x has buttons and manufacturer y doesn't you can vote with your dollars.
seems to me that both can be included anyways
Look everyone,
I just wanted to post this here and get feedback, as I'm new to smartphones O.K.? This is not F.U.D.
I also do not appreciate the egotistical stance voiced by many I've seen on this forum so far...........When I signed up for the XDA forums, it was to get involved, listen (via reading), and share (when relevant) and not get bum rushed by "know it alls."
I don't understand: When you read the article, it does not specifically state "This will be only for applications" To me, clearly Google wants to monopolize phone hardware also, I don't know...
Google is trying to eliminate redundancy, which is good but...
Come on, I just bought my phone and it ain't cheap! Getting info like this....
P.S. Some people who posted are talking like they know exactly what this article is pointing at.....Can you please explain this article seeing as though I missed the articles point?
Thanks for understanding,
stefnuts
read buddy http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2399437,00.asp
Instead, Google recommends that app developers begin using the "action bar,"
stefnuts said:
Look everyone,
I just wanted to post this here and get feedback, as I'm new to smartphones O.K.? This is not F.U.D.
I also do not appreciate the egotistical stance voiced by many I've seen on this forum so far...........When I signed up for the XDA forums, it was to get involved, listen (via reading), and share (when relevant) and not get bum rushed by "know it alls."
I don't understand: When you read the article, it does not specifically state "This will be only for applications" To me, clearly Google wants to monopolize phone hardware also, I don't know...
Google is trying to eliminate redundancy, which is good but...
Come on, I just bought my phone and it ain't cheap! Getting info like this....
P.S. Some people who posted are talking like they know exactly what this article is pointing at.....Can you please explain this article seeing as though I missed the articles point?
Thanks for understanding,
stefnuts
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Honestly, this is not BAD. its a opinion. a lot of people dont like having to press the menu button to do EVERYTHING, and then there are those people who do i guess. i can see for important things. Google has already begun to throw away the capacitive buttons anyways on the google nexus
stefnuts said:
Look everyone,
I just wanted to post this here and get feedback, as I'm new to smartphones O.K.? This is not F.U.D.
I also do not appreciate the egotistical stance voiced by many I've seen on this forum so far...........When I signed up for the XDA forums, it was to get involved, listen (via reading), and share (when relevant) and not get bum rushed by "know it alls."
I don't understand: When you read the article, it does not specifically state "This will be only for applications" To me, clearly Google wants to monopolize phone hardware also, I don't know...
Google is trying to eliminate redundancy, which is good but...
Come on, I just bought my phone and it ain't cheap! Getting info like this....
P.S. Some people who posted are talking like they know exactly what this article is pointing at.....Can you please explain this article seeing as though I missed the articles point?
Thanks for understanding,
stefnuts
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the panic in your op is fud, otherwise I was just busting your chops.
stefnuts said:
I also do not appreciate the egotistical stance voiced by many I've seen on this forum so far...........When I signed up for the XDA forums, it was to get involved, listen (via reading), and share (when relevant) and not get bum rushed by "know it alls."
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I've discovered that you have to have a thick skin here in the Amaze forum. The Hero forum was much more pleasant. The price of advancement I guess.
As long as you follow forum rules such as: don't start new redundant threads, don't ask a question before using the search button, and don't correct xboarder's spelling and grammar (just kiddin ya X) you'll be fine.
And relax, the Amaze is a great phone and won't be obsolete for a while yet.
It sounds like phones with physical menu buttons can still be manufactured but with newer versions of Icecream the physical menu button will be useless. Instead all apps will have to be developed to use action bar menu. Then menu options are not disappearing they are going to be more touch screen orientated. No big deal. Phones with small screens need physical buttons, but phones with large screens can function with only touch and swype actions. Similar to the way tablets function.
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Google is trying to address a serious inconsistency in the OS. I have a Motorola Xoom with ICS. The problem is that some applications are using a menu button in the bottom row which generally makes it bottom left, and others are putting the menu on the screen in the top right. Yes totally opposite screen placement. So the user experience is poor. Google is asking application developers to standardize. That way if you want to go to the menu for an application you will know where to find it.
Also the move away from the capacitive buttons is another step toward user experience consistency. Right now each phone even from the same manufacturer can have the home, back, menu, search, etc. in a different placement order. When it is moved to the display and then managed by the OS it opens the door for more consistency. Which again is good for the user experience.
If they can improve user experience consistency *and* change the UI prioritization model so the UI is less impacted by "background" activities then they'd really be stepping up in maturity.
marleyfan61 said:
I've discovered that you have to have a thick skin here in the Amaze forum. The Hero forum was much more pleasant. The price of advancement I guess.
As long as you follow forum rules such as: don't start new redundant threads, don't ask a question before using the search button, and don't correct xboarder's spelling and grammar (just kiddin ya X) you'll be fine.
And relax, the Amaze is a great phone and won't be obsolete for a while yet.
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I've noticed this too. The vibrant forums took a while to get to this point of what I can only call frustration/irritation, but I am thinking that was because that was more of an entry level into android, while most people here are early adopters.
I think that the users here could be reminded to be a little more understanding, it makes the experience for everyone a lot better if people are at least nice to NEW users(low post count). We were all new once, and I'd like to think this isn't the way users on XDA are evolving as a whole..
Edit: I think that the menu button is awesome- it offers some of us the ability to do more.. and it keeps the options simple for the rest of the people who don't want something more. We don't ALL need a menu button.. but XDA people do.
Well, I for one like my buttons.
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I like the physical buttons, because less screen space is spent mapping the same buttons. I have the Amaze and also a ICS tablet (Xoom) and on ICS, a good amount of pixels is spent replicating the menu, home, app switcher and back buttons. It seems like a waste of real estate to be drawing buttons on a device like the Amaze that already has them, but if hardware manufacturers stop including the physical buttons, more room on the device is available for the screen, so I guess the point becomes moot.
Hi again everyone,
Disclaimer: Any attacks upon my person will be immediately posted to the moderators of this forum who said this was a friendly environment. You're warned!
Now, back to the thread topic
Quote:
"Developers need to follow the new Android user experience as many Android devices are expected in 2012 to feature button free designs.
Apps will continue to work on the new software, with Google building an action overflow button which acts as the menu button."
The first part of this quote, in effect, places one of our feet in the "insta-brick phone" category. I did a lot of research about smartphones before I bought one and this news caused me some concern.
The point of this post was that I just bought a new phone which cost me $$$ and I'm upset that Google would in effect tell phone hardware developers to "get on board" when it's Android and the phone developers who are working together to further Google and not the other way around.
I don't know about everyone else here on this forum but I'm not rich.
This is just bad taste on the part of Google IMHO and to defend myself yet again "No, I'm not panicking..I'm upset."
Thanks again,
stefnuts
stefnuts said:
Hi again everyone,
Disclaimer: Any attacks upon my person will be immediately posted to the moderators of this forum who said this was a friendly environment. You're warned!
Now, back to the thread topic
Quote:
"Developers need to follow the new Android user experience as many Android devices are expected in 2012 to feature button free designs.
Apps will continue to work on the new software, with Google building an action overflow button which acts as the menu button."
The first part of this quote, in effect, places one of our feet in the "insta-brick phone" category. I did a lot of research about smartphones before I bought one and this news caused me some concern.
The point of this post was that I just bought a new phone which cost me $$$ and I'm upset that Google would in effect tell phone hardware developers to "get on board" when it's Android and the phone developers who are working together to further Google and not the other way around.
I don't know about everyone else here on this forum but I'm not rich.
This is just bad taste on the part of Google IMHO and to defend myself yet again "No, I'm not panicking..I'm upset."
Thanks again,
stefnuts
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Button requirements have not changed since the release of android. Google is trying to move the platform forward. This sort of thing happens. Return your phone if you need iPhone type stagnation. And in all reality there is no reason that Google cannot map the menu button to the overflow function on newer releases, so there is no dead button.
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zPacKRat said:
Button requirements have not changed since the release of android. Google is trying to move the platform forward. This sort of thing happens. Return your phone if you need iPhone type stagnation. And in all reality there is no reason that Google cannot map the menu button to the overflow function on newer releases, so there is no dead button.
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Another article I read mentioned Google wanting to nix the "search" button also.
This costs money buddy and I'm not rich.
Regarding your comment:
I'm not denying that fact.
All I'm saying is that for now, only 1 phone has 3 buttons: Google's proprietary phone. Why should every company bow the knee to Google and build a phone around a now Open source phone OS?
The menu button CAN be used for other things.
Finally, If I wanted an Iphone with one power button, proprietary ownership of hardware and apps with all functions onscreen, I would have bought an Iphone.
These consortium companies such as HTC, who support Google, need to put their corporate feet down and tell Google to back off.
I'm not feeling the panic you are. Either app developers will map the existing menu button to act as the action bar, or there will be an action bar touchscreen button on the screen. If google and phone and app developers were to "insta-brick" all existing phones that have a menu button it would drive everyone's next purchase in another direction. You don't have to rush out and buy a new phone tomorrow. The sky is NOT falling.
stefnuts said:
Another article I read mentioned Google wanting to nix the "search" button also.
This costs money buddy and I'm not rich.
Regarding your comment:
I'm not denying that fact.
All I'm saying is that for now, only 1 phone has 3 buttons: Google's proprietary phone. Why should every company bow the knee to Google and build a phone around a now Open source phone OS?
The menu button CAN be used for other things.
Finally, If I wanted an Iphone with one power button, proprietary ownership of hardware and apps with all functions onscreen, I would have bought an Iphone.
These consortium companies such as HTC, who support Google, need to put their corporate feet down and tell Google to back off.
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Buddy, it sounds like you have buyers remorse. And the Amaze should have a decent lifespan with ICS coming out soon so take a chill pill and enjoy the ride.
Hi Guys
apologies if this has already been answered i did search and found a few pots but they didn't give me all the information i was hoping for or match my criteria exactly.
Ok so i have a 3 year old son,
his hand to eye coordination is coming along and ever since he's been able to unlock his mothers ipad we cant get him off it.
i have no problem with him using the technology at such a young age in moderation and im sure it can be quite educational with the right apps etc.
however using his mothers ipad is not ideal, its totally open he could accidentally press anything from in app purchases or anything that is available on the internet which is a scary thing.
we came to the conclusion that he needs his own tablet, that we can load with selected app's and he can play etc.
i looked at the tablets designed specifically for kids like the vtech's leapfrogs etc but im not exactly sure they will be the best way forward because they wont really grow with him yes they are probably great for a certain age range but as he gets older it will loose its usefulness.
i need something that's going to be pretty much a disposable price (£30/£60) lets be frank this is probably going to be destroyed on several occasions.
so i want want an android tablet the bigger size the better. I need it to be able to root the device as i want to take advantage fully of titanium back and restore direct to a replacement device if needed.
needs to be able to run sort of childrens apps available i know the can be a broad spectrum but lets just say the average ones (processor / memory consumption wise)
i have seen lots of different softwares to lock the os down, so only use certain apps etc but any other suggestions would be great. or anyone who has made something similar.
cheers guys
cap
There's a dedicated thread for such questions here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179
I'll close this thread.
Good luck!
I've got a few larger tablet type Android devices mounted around the house that I use for security camera viewing. That's the only purpose they serve and they're wall mounted. Next to a couple I have a $20 device from CostCo that displays the current time and current temp as well as lots of other BS I really don't need.
What I'd like to do is eliminate these secondary devices as right next to them is a much more powerful machine that is capable of more accurate temperature and what not. I'd like an app that will display the current time and current temperature in text form right over the top of other apps. I use IP Cam Viewer for my cam app and it has a time feature but the time is too small to see from a distance. Something that allows me to sort of hover the time in the middle of the display with the temp right above or below would be perfect.
I've used the Google Machine and haven't come up with much in terms of a solution that will help me accomplish this. It's probably something very simple that I'm not thinking of or finding... hopefully. It could also be that what I'm looking for is unique enough that it's not out there but I hope not.
Any help, thoughts or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Anyone have any ideas?
I'm not really sure why this got moved to "help & troubleshooting" as I don't really need help nor do I have a problem. I just want to know if an app exists that will allow me to do something that is relatively basic.
This site's countless subforums with nondescript descriptions has always been one of it's negatives IMO. In all the years I've been here I doubt I've got a 50% record of not having a thread moved to a section that doesn't seem to make sense. I've had zero issues on all other forums of all types. This is a problem unique to XDA for me.