Is it just me or does anyone else think that ASUS knew about the GPS WiFi issues prior to release and just thought
You know what lets take a chance and release it anyway
My thoughts round this are more believable now the TF700 has been announced and physically shown.
How long does it take ASUS to build a fully finished and working TF700 ?
a week ?
a month ?
This has been on display at CES
Now the Prime has only been on sale worldwide for a few weeks
So why would they totally redesign the back of the TF700 if they weren't aware of any issues with the GPS / WiFi etc. with the Prime
Sounds fishy to me
If it aint broke why all of a sudden fix it !!
Does anyone else agree here or is it me just thinking about the whole fiasco too much.
Dean
(ex-Prime owner, returned due to pretty pointless feature of GPS on prime that I paid for but didn't receive)
Again, not everyone has a wifi problem. For instance, my wifi works great.
Again, the TF700 is a different product aimed at people who want the best. It's their high-end model. The TF201 is the middle of the road and cheaper for it.
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Again, not everyone has a wi fi problem. For instance, my wifi works great.
Again, the TF700 is a different product aimed at people who want the best. It's their high-end model. The TF201 is the middle of the road and cheaper for it.
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I can appreciate your comment on Just Wifi, but the GPS is pretty much an issue on all Primes (i.e No GPS without Wifi - pointless GPS solution)
But Why redesign the Beautiful Spun Aluminium Back from the Prime with a Plastic window on the new TF700 if they didn't think there was a problem with the Primes Design.
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I can appreciate your comment on Just Wifi, but the GPS is pretty much an issue on all Primes (i.e No GPS without Wifi - pointless GPS solution)
But Why redesign the Beautiful Spun Aluminium Back from the Prime with a Plastic window on the new TF700 if they didn't think there was a problem with the Primes Design.
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The OG prime was highlighted for wifi problems back in November which would allow more than enough time to make one prototype.
Agreed
So don't you think ASUS would have held off releasing the prime being as they probably knew what they were letting themselves in for
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Everyone has the same issue, not everyone notices or or has the same wifi situation. We're talking about physics. Your prime doesn't alter the physical properties of aluminum.
Did they know? Absolutely. Did they gamble on early adopters? You bet.
The proof should be either in the driver configs on our primes or in the fcc certification application.
You'll find it.
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Everyone has the same issue, not everyone notices or or has the same wifi situation. We're talking about physics. Your prime doesn't alter the physical properties of aluminum.
Did they know? Absolutely. Did they gamble on early adopters? You bet.
The proof should be either in the driver configs on our primes or in the fcc certification application.
You'll find it.
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Well said.
I just think we have been cheated by asus
Removing the spec from the website mid ship
To stop new buyers from having the right to complain
And to rub salt in bringing a new fixed prime out so soon
I could accept that after a few months
But hell they haven't even fulfilled this order yet!
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Do you think ASUS knew about the GPS WiFi issues prior to release?
100% for sure
jester27 said:
Is it just me or does anyone else think that ASUS knew about the GPS WiFi issues prior to release and just thought
You know what lets take a chance and release it anyway
My thoughts round this are more believable now the TF700 has been announced and physically shown.
How long does it take ASUS to build a fully finished and working TF700 ?
a week ?
a month ?
This has been on display at CES
Now the Prime has only been on sale worldwide for a few weeks
So why would they totally redesign the back of the TF700 if they weren't aware of any issues with the GPS / WiFi etc. with the Prime
Sounds fishy to me
If it aint broke why all of a sudden fix it !!
Does anyone else agree here or is it me just thinking about the whole fiasco too much.
Dean
(ex-Prime owner, returned due to pretty pointless feature of GPS on prime that I paid for but didn't receive)
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Yes they knew about it and yes they shipped them out anyway just like any business they just want to make money and took their chances I don't know how well it's paying off for them.
Non-conspiracy theory reason for different backplate: 3G version planned, which requires an RF window.
My HTC Desire HD is pure Aluminum back and inside a case mate tough case never had any problems with GPS that Fasterfix from the market didn't fix. I am rooted on my Prime now on ICS with Prime Time just got my Prime today as well so haven't properly tested GPS. If any issues I will be trying out Fasterfix and setting it on UK pool as that's my location and seeing if it improves in any way.
Might be worth others giving Fasterfix a go too if your rooted.
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The DHD doesent hade å solid aluminium back in got three plastic pieces for the antennas the GPS antenna is located under the led flash
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ASUS certainly knew about the problem and went ahead anyway. Many posters here explain why; "my $500+ plus tablet does not function the way I expected it to but it's still awesome and I didn't need those features I paid handsomely for anyway...and so on and so forth". Too many rationlizations for a subpar device.
It's even more scary to think ASUS DIDN'T know about the problem. If that's the case they need to get out of the business.
Maybe not before release but for sure before they told us about it. It is clear from the new uglier, more functional design of the 1080p tablet they announced and apparently have built.
I still want to see a gps test with the back removed before making a final judgement on Asus statement about it.
Im getting an instant GPS fix with Fasterfix.
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Im getting an instant GPS fix with Fasterfix.
That's an AGPS application that uses wifi to help isn't it? Won't help you without wifi I think.
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That uses AGPS does it not?
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The prime.behaves pretty normal GPS wise. IMHO. I don't have one yet but every device with agps has some problems when not connected to wifi/3g. Its the same with my dhd when i don't have a signal. But phones usually have a signal to assist GPS.
Most wifi only devices don't have GPS at all because of that. I think its cool asus put it in anyway. If you didn't knew that before the purchase and are unhappy because of that return in it. What's the big deal?
They knew but GPS was not their primary design goal! If you want that functionality use your phone or buy a standalone GPS! The ipad 2 wifi model doesn't have GPS either!
There goal was to give you a slim light tablet and be the first to the market with a quad core! With an exceptional battery life! (GPS slaughters battery life BTW!)
Remember you get to chose 2 good cheap or fast!
Asus seems to have chosen cheap+ fast!
Apple on all their products chooses good twice as their products come out almost 6-12 months after other. Equvilant products but they do not have issues at all! But you pay up the butt for them!
But remember its better to buy something that does one task perfectly (a garmin) then buy something that does multiple tasks well (the prime!) stop *****ing!
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They knew but GPS was not their primary design goal! If you want that functionality use your phone or buy a standalone GPS! The ipad 2 wifi model doesn't have GPS either!
There goal was to give you a slim light tablet and be the first to the market with a quad core! With an exceptional battery life! (GPS slaughters battery life BTW!)
Remember you get to chose 2 good cheap or fast!
Asus seems to have chosen cheap+ fast!
Apple on all their products chooses good twice as their products come out almost 6-12 months after other. Equvilant products but they do not have issues at all! But you pay up the butt for them!
But remember its better to buy something that does one task perfectly (a garmin) then buy something that does multiple tasks well (the prime!) stop *****ing!
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And what do you have to say about the poor WiFi performance? Was that also not a "primary design goal" for their WiFi only tablet?
The original transformer, which I owned, did quite well with GPS. I don't know why we take a mistake from ASUS, giving us less functionality than the earlier model, so lightly. The idea that a manufacturer can toy with the spec's of a product AFTER they start selling it and not get called out for it is a dangerous precedent.
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Everyone return your Primes and buy the new Pantech Element that is "Waterproof"...
... this is definitely the Prime Killer
Actually I love my grey prime with dock and so does my wife. And by the way please stop complaining about the GPS. If you need a GPS that bad, buy a Garmin!
OK bi*ch session over
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Yay I can now read books while swimming!
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steelerfnpeter said:
... this is definitely the Prime Killer
Actually I love my grey prime with dock and so does my wife. And by the way please stop complaining about the GPS. If you need a GPS that bad, buy a Garmin!
OK bi*ch session over
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We're you planning on providing a Link? That's okay just the DESCRIPTION is enough for me to sell my Prime and get a new Pantech product, leaders of the bleeding edge that they are, besides my Prime doen't have working GPS and they had it on the spec sheet and took it off,
But does the GPS work more than 30ft deep? (cmon, ya knew it was comin)
And I'm 99% sure he was kidding, I saw the engadget article:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/05/pantech-element-tablet-rumored-for-att/
Pantech is up there with the Coby $100 walgreens tablets and the new Motorola Xyboards priced at ~$700 when you consider the mandatory 3g service...They're all jokes and most people on this board should know that
Sweet... pr0n in the bathtub!
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but i can do that with my prime + ziplock bag right now!
Its not rocket science.
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/waterproof-bag-case-with-strap-for-ipad-blue-105062
This thread
Have you not seen the thread about wifi not working with bluetooth for many users, myself included?
GPS is worth *****ing about because under no circumstances is it acceptable for a second generation device to be missing features from a previous device for the reason that the engineers didn't foresee that the 100% aluminum back would block signals. This is a well documented issue in the tech world which is why everyone has included a plastic panel/piece wherever they stick the antennas. The sheer stupidity of it is mind-boggling.
Also one of the points of Android is Google Maps and the ability of devices to do more and supplant single use devices like a Garmin GPS. That's why Garmin implements those terrible bluetooth and mp3 features in an attempt to compete in the current marketplace. I personally have a Garmin because I work for Papa John's and the Verizon outage in Q2 2011 illustrated that I can't trust a cell phone provider. For a full week I had to use a map .
Now the GPS issue for me is that even in the middle of my street with no obstructions I still can't lock to more than 2 satellites no matter which way I turn/hold the device. In my paranoia I was wondering if those bastards at LightSquared were testing their LTE in my area.
Either way what is the point of *****ing about *****ing? People don't have a right to be mad when a 500$ device doesn't deliver on what it promises? There is a difference between something not being ideal and not working altogether. More to the point this is an issue that should never have made it past the R&D stage. Did ASUS think that people wouldn't care? But for me the current deal breaker is the lack of bluetooth. I need my phone for other stuff, so it's not the device that is ideal for music in the car, so I usually use my tablet but it is 100% unusable in my car. Someone at ASUS is currently working the problem but while I am hopeful I am not all that confident that the problem will be fixed.
Non way I would ever buy a tablet from pantec not even a phone or anything from them!
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Chill out man. I was just having a little fun with folks like you. It is a joke.
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Chill out man. I was just having a little fun with folks like you. It is a joke.
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Idk how ppl misinterpreted that, it was very obviously a joke.
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Must be a Pittsburgh thing. They never go over well here in Baltimore....lol
setite said:
Have you not seen the thread about wifi not working with bluetooth for many users, myself included?
GPS is worth *****ing about because under no circumstances is it acceptable for a second generation device to be missing features from a previous device for the reason that the engineers didn't foresee that the 100% aluminum back would block signals. This is a well documented issue in the tech world which is why everyone has included a plastic panel/piece wherever they stick the antennas. The sheer stupidity of it is mind-boggling.
Also one of the points of Android is Google Maps and the ability of devices to do more and supplant single use devices like a Garmin GPS. That's why Garmin implements those terrible bluetooth and mp3 features in an attempt to compete in the current marketplace. I personally have a Garmin because I work for Papa John's and the Verizon outage in Q2 2011 illustrated that I can't trust a cell phone provider. For a full week I had to use a map .
Now the GPS issue for me is that even in the middle of my street with no obstructions I still can't lock to more than 2 satellites no matter which way I turn/hold the device. In my paranoia I was wondering if those bastards at LightSquared were testing their LTE in my area.
Either way what is the point of *****ing about *****ing? People don't have a right to be mad when a 500$ device doesn't deliver on what it promises? There is a difference between something not being ideal and not working altogether. More to the point this is an issue that should never have made it past the R&D stage. Did ASUS think that people wouldn't care? But for me the current deal breaker is the lack of bluetooth. I need my phone for other stuff, so it's not the device that is ideal for music in the car, so I usually use my tablet but it is 100% unusable in my car. Someone at ASUS is currently working the problem but while I am hopeful I am not all that confident that the problem will be fixed.
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You don't have to buy it and if you did you can return it. Problem solved!
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The funny thing is I just purchased a tf101 on eBay and then I won a Pantech Element four days later. I must say that I was completely surprised by the performance of the Element, it benchmarked a whole lot better than the orig Transformer and it is super smooth and great to work with, I was surprised. If only I would have waited on my transformer purchase for a few days I could have sold the Pantech and gotten the tablet I had really wanted, the Prime (although, I must say all the GPS and wifi issues everyone is reporting is discouraging).
I never would have purchased a Pantech myself, but after getting it for free I must say that I would actually recommend it to people based on the performance and the price. I hear Pantech actually makes high end devices in Korea that rival LG and Samsung, but the US just gets their lower end phones.
Sokonomi said:
Its not rocket science.
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/waterproof-bag-case-with-strap-for-ipad-blue-105062
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Great for swimming, drifting and other outdoor activities
wut.
Wordlywisewiz said:
Non way I would ever buy a tablet from pantec not even a phone or anything from them!
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Truth!
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rand4ll said:
You don't have to buy it and if you did you can return it. Problem solved!
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I did buy it and will let you know if Asus let's me return it for a full refund soon !
rdalev said:
I did buy it and will let you know if Asus let's me return it for a full refund soon !
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Returned my first prime and sold the second on Ebay for a small profit. Have a galaxy tab 7.7 now and wow locks on to 12-15 sats in seconds while indoors plus the amoled screen beats the heck out of IPS.
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richB7 said:
Returned my first prime and sold the second on Ebay for a small profit. Have a galaxy tab 7.7 now and wow locks on to 12-15 sats in seconds while indoors plus the amoled screen beats the heck out of IPS.
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The AMOLED screen does rock - black being jet black 'n all, but it's not as bright as the Prime's SuperIPS, 550nits compared to the 500nits of the galaxy. Samsung like to overdo the contrast/saturation to make it look more impressive, but actually it is a bit more unrealistic than the Prime's colour output.
PS the Pantech is UGLY!
I am looking to buy the Prime as it was offered as a birthday present, and on the 12th we were set to pick it up but I was warned that there were serious WiFi and Bluetooth problems as well as the original GPS issues. I want it for general use such as browsing, playing games, a bit of word processing and mainly because I just want a tablet. I was offered an iPad 2 as a second option but much prefer everythif about the Prime. I have read Amazon.com reviews and they haven't mentioned Bluetooth issues just the wifi and said it was better than some people say it supposedly is? I was just looking for general pointers including positives and negatives on the Prime Tablet (TF201) and wondering how bad the actual wifi is and if a wifi signal booster on the router at home would solve the issue?
Any help would be much appreciated
Yes you should buy it there is zero problems with any of the Primes ignore any threads that might say otherwise people are just complaining to see themselves type.
I say it is a good buy. My wifi works fine at home and work which are the only places I have tried it. I have only tested Bluetooth and wifi concurrently with a Bluetooth controller and had no issues with either. The wifi on my prime is better than my Droid charge's wifi in fact.
As far as GPS is concerned, I can get locks without wifi though the accuracy is poor compared to my phone, Garmin handheld, and Garmin navigation devices. I have not tested the GPS at any higher rated of speed or over more distance than walking in my front yard so also can't comment on its use for navigational purposes.
I am happy with my prime and have no remorse about the purchase.
Yes, unlike all the people complaining here.... I have found it to be very nice haven't had any issues yet!
Be warned that a good percent of the tablets are defected by some sort of issue. In my case, the WiFi wouldn't work at all but Best Buy is now doing a swapping program for the tablet. I am so happy Best Buy is doing this for me
Be aware that Asus removed the gps from the specs, the metal backplate also affects wifi and bluetooth to a lesser extent. If possible ask for a demo of the features before you buy it.
Buy it! The progress with root and overclocking without even the unlocked bootloader has been amazing. I think we're in for a really awesome, dev-friendly tablet. Don't miss it!
If you don't need reliable GPS and can stay reasonably close to your AP then yes, it is a good choice. But if you want those things then wait and get the 700 which appears to be what we thought we were getting in the first place.
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Yes. Absolutely. Just get one that works. I'm ROCKING Out quad core 1600mhz!!!!
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jdbaker82 said:
Yes you should buy it there is zero problems with any of the Primes ignore any threads that might say otherwise people are just complaining to see themselves type.
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Now that's not true is it?
I say go ahead and get it, unless the GPS is a big thing to you
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jdbaker82 said:
Yes you should buy it there is zero problems with any of the Primes ignore any threads that might say otherwise people are just complaining to see themselves type.
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You forgot the /sarcasm tag at the end.
Reality check: The problems are not as widespread as one might think after looking at the forums here but there is a substantial percentage of chance that you might run into one of several problems. This, ignoring the Wi-Fi and GPS ones, which may or may not be a problem for you depending on your hardware setup around the house and need for a navigation enabled tablet.
It is truly a great product, but there are times when the software does hickup. That is nothing to worry about, because ICS is brand new and is only like 4 devices (officially). Plus we are getting unlocked bootloaders and then will be able to do some pretty amazing things. Ironically, we still can do amazing things, due to having root and being able to overclock. With time software issues will be fixed, as ICS only became available over the air updating 2 days ago. It will be perfect within a month or so.
The magic 8 ball says : too early to tell
Its personal preference, do you ride gnarly wave that's the cutting edge tech of android and have these sort of growing pains or do you play it safe and go with a solid proven device that won't play with any of your files without hacking it , not to mention you selling your soul to a single manufacturer if you go Apple..
That said I'm happy with mine and have little issues and feel my tablet will be future proof for a bit longer then what else is on the market, if you go with the prime prepare yourself for an exchange it seems to be 50/50 on getting a good one and from what i can see here is the people who managed to get good ones love em,myself included , take it FWIW...
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I must have been the only one on the planet that lucked out. My Prime works flawlessly. No problems with wifi, tethering, GPS, etc. I have zero problems with the dock also. Battery life is amazing! I must have gotten the "Golden ticket"
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scsurface1 said:
I must have been the only one on the planet that lucked out. My Prime works flawlessly. No problems with wifi, tethering, GPS, etc. I have zero problems with the dock also. Battery life is amazing! I must have gotten the "Golden ticket"
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How is it you joined more than a year ago and this is your first post? lol
No but seriously, I've got an unopened one right in front of me, and I'm not sure if I want to open it (and look for the golden ticket ) or sell it and wait for the MeMO...
I did have the vibrator issue with my last one...
i have no clue. i might have joined when i got my first galaxy s phone. love my transformer prime and my galaxy s2
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I must have been the only one on the planet that lucked out. My Prime works flawlessly. No problems with wifi, tethering, GPS, etc. I have zero problems with the dock also. Battery life is amazing! I must have gotten the "Golden ticket"
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Where and When did you buy yours ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1409910 ?
scsurface1 said:
i have no clue. i might have joined when i got my first galaxy s phone. love my transformer prime and my galaxy s2
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Well, welcome! I loved the Prime, and found the vibrator issue to be very minor while I waited a month for Amazon to get me another... Absolutely HATED the original Galaxy S (Vibrant), but the SII looks pretty nice... Not sure I can shy back away from HTC at this point though, lol
Ordered mine on Christmas night from BB.com. Received it on the 27th. Got the dock from the same place about 2 weeks later. love them both.
Galaxy s2 is hands down the best phone i have ever had. It is rooted and is as smooth as silk. I consistantly get quadrant scores over 5000
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mine is also amazing. Slight backlight bleed which is only noticeable at boot us the only thing i have to complain about, and thats only coz i was looking out for it.
Battery life is amazing, speed is amazing, screen is amazing, dock is amazing. U was charging my gnex using a usb cable plugged into the dock! Flipping awesome! I discover more and more new stuff to do with this thing every day! Gonna try a ps3 controller in it next.
The only way to actually test the GPS is to completely disable wifi. Google uses all wifi networks in range to find a location. Google has mapped almost every wifi-network on the planet, and even if you just disconnect from your own, it will still use the wifi names around you to find location, even if you arent connected. So to test GPS, disable wifi completely. Then we will see...
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scsurface1 said:
I must have been the only one on the planet that lucked out. My Prime works flawlessly. No problems with wifi, tethering, GPS, etc. I have zero problems with the dock also. Battery life is amazing! I must have gotten the "Golden ticket"
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Not even you, or people with similar posts 'got a good one'.. you and people like you just have a VERY high threshold for putting up with garbage.. on side by side tests your tablet will be the same as what others call 'broken'...
One man's 'fine' is another man's 'broken'.
Those of us who won't put up with shoddy crap, KNOW how broken the TFP is.. people who say it's fine are just trying to justify their purchase to themselves.. no-one likes to think they have been screwed, but there are some who will go to unreasonable lengths to convince themselves and everyone else that 'their's is fine'.. when it certainly isn't.
How any times have you read a post saying, 'yeah, well that's broken, and that doesn't work very well, and that's not up to scratch'.. then finish the post, I loooove Asus... that's not a reasonable action for a person to take.. that's pure self deception.
Install this, disable Wi-Fi, run the program and post a screenshot when you get a fix.
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Not even you, or people with similar posts 'got a good one'.. you and people like you just have a VERY high threshold for putting up with garbage.. on side by side tests your tablet will be the same as what others call 'broken'...
One man's 'fine' is another man's 'broken'.
Those of us who won't put up with shoddy crap, KNOW how broken the TFP is.. people who say it's fine are just trying to justify their purchase to themselves.. no-one likes to think they have been screwed, but there are some who will go to unreasonable lengths to convince themselves and everyone else that 'their's is fine'.. when it certainly isn't.
How any times have you read a post saying, 'yeah, well that's broken, and that doesn't work very well, and that's not up to scratch'.. then finish the post, I loooove Asus... that's not a reasonable action for a person to take.. that's pure self deception.
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Really like the positive vibe you bring over here..
For what it's worth the Transformer Prime is usable, it just has a few drawbacks.
and you're only going to find them once you heavily began to use some of it's components that has those defects.
but they can go unnoticed if you're a light end user.
Come to think of it, this across the board on any electronic device. oh well. I still think this keyboard dock sort of stinks at times.
Although it's typing quite normal right now as I make this post. No random type cursor jumps.
I'm already on my third unit and this one again has massive screen bleed, creaking screen and stuck pixels I wish I had a golden ticket aswell.
aren't the screen bleeds common because the device uses the cheaper "Edge LED" LCD, vs the more expensive "Backlit LED" LCD? or am I thinking of ghosting.
I'm not much of a screen guru so I think I'm my own light user case as far as detecting any screen problems. So right now, I feel like I have a golden ticket as far as that category goes.
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Not even you, or people with similar posts 'got a good one'.. you and people like you just have a VERY high threshold for putting up with garbage.. on side by side tests your tablet will be the same as what others call 'broken'...
One man's 'fine' is another man's 'broken'.
Those of us who won't put up with shoddy crap, KNOW how broken the TFP is.. people who say it's fine are just trying to justify their purchase to themselves.. no-one likes to think they have been screwed, but there are some who will go to unreasonable lengths to convince themselves and everyone else that 'their's is fine'.. when it certainly isn't.
How any times have you read a post saying, 'yeah, well that's broken, and that doesn't work very well, and that's not up to scratch'.. then finish the post, I loooove Asus... that's not a reasonable action for a person to take.. that's pure self deception.
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Mine has been absolutely flawless so far, no lockups/reboots, screen is fine, wifi is fine (fast enough for me), zero lag on the keyboard, gaming is great fun...putting it all in context, i remember taking 30 mins to load 23k games from tape onto my vic20, whereas right now I'm holding a piece of black magic in my hands, i should be burnt at the stake for using this thing!!!
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scsurface1 said:
I must have been the only one on the planet that lucked out. My Prime works flawlessly. No problems with wifi, tethering, GPS, etc. I have zero problems with the dock also. Battery life is amazing! I must have gotten the "Golden ticket"
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Me too!!!
Someone Walkin' said:
Not even you, or people with similar posts 'got a good one'.. you and people like you just have a VERY high threshold for putting up with garbage.. on side by side tests your tablet will be the same as what others call 'broken'...
One man's 'fine' is another man's 'broken'.
Those of us who won't put up with shoddy crap, KNOW how broken the TFP is.. people who say it's fine are just trying to justify their purchase to themselves.. no-one likes to think they have been screwed, but there are some who will go to unreasonable lengths to convince themselves and everyone else that 'their's is fine'.. when it certainly isn't.
How any times have you read a post saying, 'yeah, well that's broken, and that doesn't work very well, and that's not up to scratch'.. then finish the post, I loooove Asus... that's not a reasonable action for a person to take.. that's pure self deception.
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I don't feel like im putting up with garbage or trying to justify my purchase. I've used it for a week now and I still have another week until BestBuy won't let me return it for full price. So how broken is the TFP? As far as I am concerned, GPS is the only known issue.
In my opinion, tablets are not laptop replacement yet, maybe in the future but not yet. When tablets have 500GB or more of storage, 1GB or more of dedicated video card, 4 GB or more of RAM and a Core I5 or better of CPU then you can talk about heavy use. In the meantime they are for light use.
So I guess I'm lucky too. In my case I don't have any of the mentioned problems. I don't know about the GPS because really I don't use it. I had the Galaxy 10.1 and never used the GPS neither, for that I use my SGSII. I sold the Galaxy 10.1 and bought the TP and after a week of using the TP I'm very happy.
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In my opinion, tablets are not laptop replacement yet, maybe in the future but not yet. When tablets have 500GB or more of storage, 1GB or more of dedicated video card, 4 GB or more of RAM and a Core I5 or better of CPU then you can talk about heavy use. In the meantime they are for light use.
So I guess I'm lucky too. In my case I don't have any of the mentioned problems. I don't know about the GPS because really I don't use it. I had the Galaxy 10.1 and never used the GPS neither, for that I use my SGSII. I sold the Galaxy 10.1 and bought the TP and after a week of using the TP I'm very happy.
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IMO tablets are no different than laptops and desktop computers, there's high and lows on specs in both areas. I think the Transformer Prime with it's pricing and size would fall into the mid-tier range tablet.
the higher end tablets often 12" or larger are much more comparable to laptops. While the Prime is more like a netbook.
Samsung Series 7 Slate
HP TouchSmart Tm2T
ASUS Eee Slate EP121
IBM ThinkPad X220
DELL Latitude XT3
and those tablets aren't doing so well since they cost too much, their Windows OS is not touch optimized like Android/iOS and they offer abysmal battery life, because there hardware is not energy efficient as the mobile CPUs in Android/iOS tablets.
But most of my gripes with the TFP are software related at best, I just think the default browser and the options ICS have on the Prime for the keyboad dock could be better, and the browser interface could be much more optimized had it been designed better. This is not a harp on the hardware, but more a harp on the software.
Now I'm actually hoping ASUS will offer an optional Windows 8 upgrade for it's tablets when Microsoft finally get their act together and produce Tegra 3 based Windows 8.
Coming from an iPad 2, the Transformer Prime has exceeded my expectations for a tablet. Get a gps lock, wifi works fine...great experience. Couldn't be happier.
So I've been patiently waiting for income tax money to get a new tablet, been reading a lot between the tf101 and the tf201 and I want a tablet that will have good development, I know the prime is too new and it has his fair share of issues including wifi and GPS, I can care less about GPS but I need wifi so as long as I can get a decent wifi signal so I can seat in my couch or my bed and pickup my wifi I'll be good, now the light bleeding from what the videos I've seen on YouTube wouldn't be a big problem but I don't know if I would be able to deal with dead pixels, now to my question , is there anyone that upgraded to the prime from the transformer and do you feel like it was a mayor upgrade or do you think the original is still a mayor contender? Is a $100 difference so is not that much of a difference in price, but from reading how Asus might have released it prematurely makes me wonder if I should go for the older more stable with more development transformer tf101.
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The Tegra 2 in the original is ancient. Considering how fast the mobile market moves, it is like buying a Pentium 4 for a new desktop. The Tegra 3 is three times as fast between the CPU/GPU- ready for 2012.
With that said, with a Prime you go in expecting to deal with a dead GPS and weak wifi range. It is the trade-off for a modern amount of power.
My only personal issue was slower wifi in my bedroom (the edge of my network), but I love my Prime so much my solution was just to upgrade my router (Cisco e4200, best 2.4GHz consumer router on the market). Now it works great.
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The Tegra 2 in the original is ancient. Considering how fast the mobile market moves, it is like buying a Pentium 4 for a new desktop. The Tegra 3 is three times as fast between the CPU/GPU- ready for 2012.
With that said, with a Prime you go in expecting to deal with a dead GPS and weak wifi range. It is the trade-off for a modern amount of power.
My only personal issue was slower wifi in my bedroom (the edge of my network), but I love my Prime so much my solution was just to upgrade my router (Cisco e4200, best 2.4GHz consumer router on the market). Now it works great.
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Thanks for the reply! I'm probably getting it and if those are my only issues(wifi/GPS) then everything will be great, just hope the development here will grow soon and increase the choices of roms and stuff.
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i understand your concern. i bought mine less than two weeks ago from best buy with my income tax. trust me spend the money. its worth it. maybe even spring for an extended warranty.
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i understand your concern. i bought mine less than two weeks ago from best buy with my income tax. trust me spend the money. its worth it. maybe even spring for an extended warranty.
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the extended warranty sounds like a good idea, thanks.
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I'd say the OG TF101 has much faster WiFi speed as range from the access point increases, the Prime is thinner and lighter, and can be purchased with higher storage capacity.
If WiFi speed is the most important get a OG. If GPS is the most important get neither IMHO but def' not the Prime.
I would personally say getting a Tegra 2 now, would be like getting a Core 2 Duo instead of an Core i[357]. Now the Wayne and Grey based Tegra chips expected later this year....those will make a Tegra 2 look like a Pentium 4 versus an i7, if wikipedia is to be believed.
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I'd say the OG TF101 has much faster WiFi speed as range from the access point increases, the Prime is thinner and lighter, and can be purchased with higher storage capacity.
If WiFi speed is the most important get a OG. If GPS is the most important get neither IMHO but def' not the Prime.
I would personally say getting a Tegra 2 now, would be like getting a Core 2 Duo instead of an Core i[357]. Now the Wayne and Grey based Tegra chips expected later this year....those will make a Tegra 2 look like a Pentium 4 versus an i7, if wikipedia is to be believed.
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I see what your saying, and I don't care about GPS, I just want to make sure I get a somewhat solid tablet, as long as I can get wifi from like 5 feet from my router in my living room I won't complain, and I guess the other issues with light bleed and dead pixels is all luck, and there's rooting and recovery here for it, wish there was some custom honeycomb roms to play with like the revolver or krakd roms for the tf101, hopefully we'll see some development picking up for the prime soon, gonna see about swinging by best buy and testing one out while I wait for my tax money so I can just go buy the one I decide to go for when the money comes.
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While some say GPS is no big deal, look at the amount of whining about it. I want it for alot of reasons. It automatically updates weather to the location, etc.
I purchased mine Less than two weeks ago from Best Buy. I have NO GPS at all. mine is a BCOKAS134452 serial number. My wifi isnt that bad actualy but i feel it is lacking when compared to my rooted nook color. I will try to open mine tonight and make one mod to see if it improves, if not, it goes back tomorrow.
Im not going to exchange it. Im going to return it receive my FULL refund. Then Re-purchase another unit so i have ANOTHER 2 weeks, incase there are issues.
While some may not find this right. I have noticed some people have major issues 3 or 4 weeks after purchase. That is what worries me. Just my .02$
Now you know about some of the issues affecting some users. Now check out the link in my signature. The positive transformer thread. That'll put things into perspective. GPS is a widespread issue although some peoples do work. As far as wifi, this a very limited issue. Just check out the link n the vast number of different users posted in there n you will see a flipside. Which is what I'm on..lol wifi works great on mines
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Now you know about some of the issues affecting some users. Now check out the link in my signature. The positive transformer thread. That'll put things into perspective. GPS is a widespread issue although some peoples do work. As far as wifi, this a very limited issue. Just check out the link n the vast number of different users posted in there n you will see a flipside. Which is what I'm on..lol wifi works great on mines
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Thanks it looks like there's a lot of people very happy with theirs in that thread, definitely looking forward to having one.
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I see what your saying, and I don't care about GPS, I just want to make sure I get a somewhat solid tablet, as long as I can get wifi from like 5 feet from my router in my living room I won't complain, and I guess the other issues with light bleed and dead pixels is all luck, and there's rooting and recovery here for it, wish there was some custom honeycomb roms to play with like the revolver or krakd roms for the tf101, hopefully we'll see some development picking up for the prime soon, gonna see about swinging by best buy and testing one out while I wait for my tax money so I can just go buy the one I decide to go for when the money comes.
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IMHO light bleed and dead pixels are a quality control and shipping issue. It's also the most common ground for trouble between both tablets.
One thing that alarmed me... while my TF101 fresh out of Microcenter was great: my Prime off eBay had a batch of wtfixels on the far left side and I was afraid that I may have to RMA. By the time I completed the initial setup stuff with my Google Account it went away and the pixels are fine in use.
I do consider the TF101 a better quality tablet but really, unless you do have hair pulling issues with wifi/gps, Prime is fine. I also think the sites more or less calling the Prime like the top or the most powerful tablet of the year are also correct enough. It just doesn't have a deluded cult preaching it's perfection.
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IMHO light bleed and dead pixels are a quality control and shipping issue. It's also the most common ground for trouble between both tablets.
One thing that alarmed me... while my TF101 fresh out of Microcenter was great: my Prime off eBay had a batch of wtfixels on the far left side and I was afraid that I may have to RMA. By the time I completed the initial setup stuff with my Google Account it went away and the pixels are fine in use.
I do consider the TF101 a better quality tablet but really, unless you do have hair pulling issues with wifi/gps, Prime is fine. I also think the sites more or less calling the Prime like the top or the most powerful tablet of the year are also correct enough. It just doesn't have a deluded cult preaching it's perfection.
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Thanks for your input, I had originally thought about the tf101 because of how good is said to be for the price, but I changed my mind thanks to all of you guys and also from browsing thru the positive thread, I'm definitely getting the prime, can't wait for the income tax money to get here, it should be about another week.
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Transformer prime is way better than the original transformer
Go for tf-201
So I'm still waiting for my tax money that should be here by the end of this week, by now I'm disappointed to say no prime for me, I've spend lots of time in the background here just reading negative posts and searching online and reading about rumors of discontinuation of the prime, whether is true or not, I think I'm gonna be patient and wait a bit to see what happens in the next couple of months, Acer is said to be the next one to have a tegra3 tablet, who knows who else throws one out next, and hopefully the tf700 doesn't take too long, oh well as much as is killing me to buy a tablet, I don't want to go backwards to the tf101 to feel I got a solid tablet, I want to feel about a tablet like I feel about my HTC hd2 , that is a solid device. I guess well see.
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jassari said:
Transformer prime is way better than the original transformer
Go for tf-201
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+1....ATP RULES...see decline prices on ipad 2, no match for ATP.
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So I'm still waiting for my tax money that should be here by the end of this week, by now I'm disappointed to say no prime for me, I've spend lots of time in the background here just reading negative posts and searching online and reading about rumors of discontinuation of the prime, whether is true or not, I think I'm gonna be patient and wait a bit to see what happens in the next couple of months, Acer is said to be the next one to have a tegra3 tablet, who knows who else throws one out next, and hopefully the tf700 doesn't take too long, oh well as much as is killing me to buy a tablet, I don't want to go backwards to the tf101 to feel I got a solid tablet, I want to feel about a tablet like I feel about my HTC hd2 , that is a solid device. I guess well see.
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Here's the thing bro....while you're waiting, buy a prime to play with. Most likely you will love it and keep it but guess what if you don't like it you can just return it like so many people have or are at least threatening to. At least you have something to do while you wait. That's my opinion but instead of the buzz kill threads just man up and go buy one see how great it is.
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Here's the thing bro....while you're waiting, buy a prime to play with. Most likely you will love it and keep it but guess what if you don't like it you can just return it like so many people have or are at least threatening to. At least you have something to do while you wait. That's my opinion but instead of the buzz kill threads just man up and go buy one see how great it is.
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Totally agree. You can doo eeet!
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the extended warranty sounds like a good idea, thanks.
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I read an article stating that less than 5% of extended warranties are ever used. Something to think about.
GPS is NOT a feature of the Transformer Prime. Anyone who brings it up anymore are doing so because it was a feature, but they bring it up because it was then removed. You don't buy a tablet for gps, you buy a gps. The GPS module and antenna are crap in the Prime. You would crap get signal and accuracy even if it did work properly.
For example, you don't buy a PS3 anymore for the ability to install Linux or PS2 backwards compatibility. Why? They removed those features.
Thee major problem of the weak wifi is the fact that one of the antennas is not actually connected properly in some of the old and new Primes. This is a reason to not buy the Prime.
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GPS is NOT a feature of the Transformer Prime. Anyone who brings it up anymore are doing so because it was a feature, but they bring it up because it was then removed. You don't buy a tablet for gps, you buy a gps. The GPS module and antenna are crap in the Prime. You would crap get signal and accuracy even if it did work properly.
For example, you don't buy a PS3 anymore for the ability to install Linux or PS2 backwards compatibility. Why? They removed those features.
Thee major problem of the weak wifi is the fact that one of the antennas is not actually connected properly in some of the old and new Primes. This is a reason to not buy the Prime.
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That's why I said in OP that I could care less about GPS working, but wifi is a big thing for me.
My money came into my account yesterday, not sure but I might pick one up from best buy, play with it and decide what to do before the 14 day return period ends.
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I currently have an ipad1 and been holding out for a tablet my options right now are prime or ipad3 i really dont believe the ipad3 is an option for me. just want feedback on the prime and your thoughts if I should wait
If the New Pad is not an option for you then thats leaves you with the asus line and a few others.
sounds like you have made up your mind already....even if you dont even know it.....
Wait until the iPad 3 benchmarks come out before making your final decision.
Go for the prime! Read the positive thread in my signature. You will make up your mind after reading it.
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I currently have an ipad1 and been holding out for a tablet my options right now are prime or ipad3 i really dont believe the ipad3 is an option for me. just want feedback on the prime and your thoughts if I should wait
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I'd revise my considerations to either the iPad 3 or the tf700.
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noble30 said:
I currently have an ipad1 and been holding out for a tablet my options right now are prime or ipad3 i really dont believe the ipad3 is an option for me. just want feedback on the prime and your thoughts if I should wait
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What system (in order of importance):
1) runs the software that you absolutely need?
2) does the job for the lowest cost (reliability and performance issues can soften this a bit)
3) will continue to do 1 and 2 for the longest period of time
4) provides other benefits that may be of use.
No other analysis makes any sense unless you can buy more than one.
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Wait until the iPad 3 benchmarks come out before making your final decision.
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Why? These aren't old PC's. This has so little to do with what makes a tablet good to use.
Im in the same boat as you OP , i really am interested in the prime but the wifi issues that ive heard of are unacceptable to me.
hi, i hope you guys can help me to make a decission, im from El Salvador and i want to buy a prime from amazon because my brother will be here in may but i was reading all your post and i dont know... sorry for my english
This is a good thread because I'm also considering the Prime or the TF700.
I just sold my iPad 2 (whew!) and got a decent price for it so I have the money, just trying to figure out what Android tablet to buy.
Seems like I can't find the Prime any where so my decision might be made for me. I think I heard the TF700 wasn't coming out until June! I don't know if I want to wait that long.
Has anyone heard when ASUS will fix their supply problems and will the next batch of Transformer Primes have current wifi, BT and GPS problems fixed? I don't really care about GPS.
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This is a good thread because I'm also considering the Prime or the TF700.
I just sold my iPad 2 (whew!) and got a decent price for it so I have the money, just trying to figure out what Android tablet to buy.
Seems like I can't find the Prime any where so my decision might be made for me. I think I heard the TF700 wasn't coming out until June! I don't know if I want to wait that long.
Has anyone heard when ASUS will fix their supply problems and will the next batch of Transformer Primes have current wifi, BT and GPS problems fixed? I don't really care about GPS.
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If you are going to get an android tablet the prime will be best unless you don't care about paying an extra $100 in "June" for the tf700. I have a prime and with all the updates the wifi and Bluetooth works fine. GPS struggles a little depending on where I am located. It works off an on but it does function. At $499 its the best.
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If you are going to get an android tablet the prime will be best unless you don't care about paying an extra $100 in "June" for the tf700. I have a prime and with all the updates the wifi and Bluetooth works fine. GPS struggles a little depending on where I am located. It works off an on but it does function. At $499 its the best.
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So the wifi is working fine now? How is your signal?
I received my prime today and I am loving it, a lot more than the galaxy tab 10.1 i had. WiFi seems fine to me, works better than my sgs1 and as good a sgs2. Have no complaints at all. Will do a network test later I am Done playing with it.
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I had a prime with the wifi/bt dropoff problem and I returned it since repair solutions seem uncertain. There were many things I loved about the prime, just too much instability in the wifi performance. I presently am watching to see if asus comes up with more consistent results from their manufacturing process or possibly for the tf700 with its redesigned backplate.
I do not like IOS, so the ipad 3 is really not an option for me. I am using an HP Touchpad with CM9 while I wait and watch......
i pre order again the prime from amazon, i'll take the risk because i live in El Salvador and i cant return it or for a refund.. i really want it and since i had my atrix 2 i love android instead ios
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So the wifi is working fine now? How is your signal?
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My signal is good, the updates that Asus has sent out which has been about 4 has greatly improved wifi.
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If you are going to get an android tablet the prime will be best unless you don't care about paying an extra $100 in "June" for the tf700. I have a prime and with all the updates the wifi and Bluetooth works fine. GPS struggles a little depending on where I am located. It works off an on but it does function. At $499 its the best.
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I read some where on this forum that ASUS had some news coming out on or about the 12th of March. Also, I've heard that new parts have been applied to later Prime tablet builds to fix the wifi/BT problems. Might just wait until Apr.
Thanks for the response.
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So the wifi is working fine now? How is your signal?
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My wifi has always been fine. It seems its hit and miss with some units or even different wifi router configurations. Personally have had zero problems connecting at university in many places, a couple hospitals and a doctors office, two airports now and two hotels. My macbook pro gets a stronger signal but matches throughput with my prime at home from across the house. The signals are equal between the prime and my Samsung phone.
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My wifi has always been fine. It seems its hit and miss with some units or even different wifi router configurations. Personally have had zero problems connecting at university in many places, a couple hospitals and a doctors office, two airports now and two hotels. My macbook pro gets a stronger signal but matches throughput with my prime at home from across the house. The signals are equal between the prime and my Samsung phone.
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Thanks for the answer. I really want the prime, especially after the "new ipad " announcement. Its a good tablet but i had an ipad 2 so besides the huge difference in screen resolution, its pretty much the same. Ive come to learn that with apple products its good to skip one year. But i really like the prime but i dont want to take any chances over the wifi issues so ill get the new ipad for now and will wait till the tf700 i think its called comes out later.
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Thanks for the answer. I really want the prime, especially after the "new ipad " announcement. Its a good tablet but i had an ipad 2 so besides the huge difference in screen resolution, its pretty much the same. Ive come to learn that with apple products its good to skip one year. But i really like the prime but i dont want to take any chances over the wifi issues so ill get the new ipad for now and will wait till the tf700 i think its called comes out later.
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The tf700 has now been dubbed the transformer infinity by ASUS.