So i was browsing the Nexus S forum and Google+ and found an interesting post by one of Android/Google engineers : https://plus.google.com/u/0/105051985738280261832/posts/FV3LVtdVxPT
Today's myth debunking:
"The battery indicator in the status/notification bar is a reflection of the batterystats.bin file in the data/system/ directory."
No, it does not.
This file is used to maintain, across reboots, low-level data about the kinds of operations the device and your apps are doing between battery changes. That is, it is solely used to compute the blame for battery usage shown in the "Battery Use" UI in settings.
That is, it has deeply significant things like "app X held a wake lock for 2 minutes" and "the screen was on at 60% brightness for 10 minutes."
It has no impact on the current battery level shown to you.
It has no impact on your battery life.
Deleting it is not going to do anything to make your more device more fantastic and wonderful... well, unless you have some deep hatred for seeing anything shown in the battery usage UI. And anyway, it is reset every time you unplug from power with a relatively full charge (thus why the battery usage UI data resets at that point), so this would be a much easier way to make it go away.
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The whole idea of erasing that file having any effect on battery life is pure superstition and wishful thinking. The battery usage UI describes what your device has been doing that has been consuming battery; it doesn't change how the device is using the battery.
You want to "refresh" your battery stats? Charge your phone. When you unplug it again, the device knows it's at full charge (because the battery firmware says so), so the stats tracking treats that as a known milestone for reporting purposes.
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interesting!
I never wipe my batterystatus.bin till now!
I also think it doesn't doing anything but never knew that reson thanks for sharing
Does this mean that calliberating your battery has NO effect? I've seen so many devs themselves recommending it. (ofcourse I might be understanding this whole thing wrong)
myozeus said:
Does this mean that calliberating your battery has NO effect? I've seen so many devs themselves recommending it. (ofcourse I might be understanding this whole thing wrong)
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well, franciscofranco, our kernel 'god', didn't wipe batterystats.bin in his life before. however i always flash things on a full charge just in case
well when you calibrate the battery you only del this file.
this is a one second task
on a macbookpro the calibartion of the battery takes a long time.
so I would not really call this calibration at all.
Thanks for the info...
It'll save time for the people like me ;-)
i never used that option ever
i have very good battery life xd
cekuhnen said:
well when you calibrate the battery you only del this file.
this is a one second task
on a macbookpro the calibartion of the battery takes a long time.
so I would not really call this calibration at all.
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A Laptop battery has many cells, and, once a while, they get different charges among them, that's why you have to fully discharge your laptop battery once a month, to get them all to the same amount of charge.
Since our phones have one cell in their batterys, I don't know if it's really necessary to calibrate them.
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Does this mean that calliberating your battery has NO effect? I've seen so many devs themselves recommending it. (ofcourse I might be understanding this whole thing wrong)
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no. caliberating does have good effects. but caliberating does not mean deleting the file. it means charging full n emptying it full n charging full again...
harshdoshi25 said:
no. caliberating does have good effects. but caliberating does not mean deleting the file. it means charging full n emptying it full n charging full again...
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Actually, lithium ion batteries do not need calibration. Period.
The elements its comprised of have no "cell memory" and the battery firmware is hardcoded with the knowledge of what a full charge should be. Anytime you drain your battery past normal thresholds, it just puts extra wear and tear on the cells and reduces its ability to hold a full charge. By intentionally draining the battery in one sitting, all you're doing is stressing the battery and causing the problem you're trying to correct.
Long story short: Don't calibrate; it just hurts your battery.
Now, if you had a NiMH or an older LiPoly battery, I'd say go right ahead and try to calibrate them if they aren't holding a charge. These types of batteries do have "cell memory" and can often forget what a full charge is.
This information is widely available; it's no secret and I'm not making it up. You can search for yourself or read up on it at Battery University.
Tonhos said:
A Laptop battery has many cells, and, once a while, they get different charges among them, that's why you have to fully discharge your laptop battery once a month, to get them all to the same amount of charge.
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Actually, capacity drops in multi-cell batteries are typically due to voltage drops in certain cells. Draining the battery won't bring them back; you're only going to hurt the capacity of the rest of the cells. The only solution is to replace the defective cells.
Placebo placebo placebo, like I have always said. And like "theanykey" said, do not let lithium ion battery go completely empty, it just reduces battery lifespan. Seriously.
calibrating a Lithium ION battery does have some effect. 9x out of 10 there is some type of protection circuit on the battery that monitors its maximum charge, lowest charge, and wear levels and static values set by the manufacture.
Often times there can be a false wear level (wherein the wear gets set too high, usually caused by disconnecting the battery from a charge at like 95% or running the battery down to below 10%) and the charging circuitry within the battery WONT charge above that level.... to circumvent that improper wear level... a full charge, then FULL drain, then full charge is needed to properly reset those values and gain you extra battery life as the battery gets charged more.
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calibrating a Lithium ION battery does have some effect. 9x out of 10 there is some type of protection circuit on the battery that monitors its maximum charge, lowest charge, and wear levels and static values set by the manufacture.
Often times there can be a false wear level (wherein the wear gets set too high, usually caused by disconnecting the battery from a charge at like 95% or running the battery down to below 10%) and the charging circuitry within the battery WONT charge above that level.... to circumvent that improper wear level... a full charge, then FULL drain, then full charge is needed to properly reset those values and gain you extra battery life as the battery gets charged more.
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Wear level has nothing to do with usable capacity and is not accounted for during charging. It's an arbitrary number that exists solely so people will replace their batteries sooner than necessary. If I recall, its not uncommon for wear level to be calculated by charge cycles. So, by "calibrating", you may actually worsen the wear level.
Also, you do realize that lithium ion batteries never fully discharge, right? Once they do, they're dead.
If you want a technique that actually increases short-term capacity(at the expense of ruining the battery's longevity), look up bump charging.
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Just wanted to open up a thread here to see what we can do about battery calibration issues.
Not sure, but I read around that people are getting phone shut downs at the 10%-15% ranges.
When in actual fact it should be somewhere around the 1%-5% range?
Was wondering if there is some possibility in coding the phone to read the battery state better? Thus, eliminating the need for calibrating the battery through tradition means (ie: wiping, charging, etc)
Thoughts?
EDITS:
We've managed to figure out huge boundaries for the battery.
There are currently two ways to get your battery into "learn mode" - which will adjust the values of your battery to accurately reflect it's "age" and mAh tracking. This will lead to a fix for those of you who are currently facing issues with the battery shutting down anytime before the 1% mark.
1st fix:
1) Drain battery
2) Just as the battery hits "Shutting Down", plug in your charger
3) Let the phone power down
4) DO NOT TURN ON THE PHONE
5) Let it charge up overnight or something along the lines of 4-6 hours, which should ensure it will be fully charged
6) Power up, your phone should be calibrated and will now shut off at 1%
2nd fix:
Head over to the Battery Calibration Tool Thread which spawned off from the discussions here!
>> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=765609
For those who have been following the thread and wonder what your status_reg value mean theloginwithnoname has kindly provided us with some datasheets and translations, which you can get with the following links:
Binary Conversion: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8013370&postcount=548
Then refer to Page 25 of the following datasheet: http://datasheets.maxim-ic.com/en/ds/DS2784.pdf
OR you can try out mtw4991's method to get learn mode done with the battery app that's been created out of this brainstorm thread.
The link to his method is > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9583271&postcount=340
I began this thread in other to simply find a fix for our current battery % meter. Basically, users (myself included) were having a problem with inaccurate battery % readings. Some N1's would shut down above 1% and this would leave many guessing when the battery would give out.
Needless to say, here at XDA - we managed to find the fixes. ;-)
And of course, we decided to take it to the next level.
How can we now push more out of our batteries?
RogerPodacter and theloginwithnoname have been working endlessly learning and understanding the how the battery registry works and together with dvgrhl they're finalizing a battery mod app which will help the N1 cope with the "learn mode" and changes. So do thank them for the great work they've been pushing out with! =)
They've helped us hammer out all the core details concerning the battery understanding, values, binaries, and we're wading through the mess to push the limits on the batteries (short of blowing them up as usual of course).
Be patient if the app isn't ready yet. And if you're a n00b, please don't mess around with the registry values and such if you have absolutely no idea what you're doing.
No one is gonna give a rat's poopoo if you blow up your phone and set your house on fire and gremlins kidnap your toes.
Peace out.
This thread is and methodology has served its purpose and many of us from this thread have moved on over to the Battery Calibration TOOL thread. The methods still work, but so do the newer methods at the tool thread, which I personally find is much easier and better.
If you'd like to use the manual method, it'll still work.
For those more interested in the newer method and I encourage you to do so - head on over through this link > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=765609
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It happened to me yesterday. I am playing with my phone and I needed to check an important address on Google Maps, so I was thinking "Oh great I still have 9% battery" and then all of a sudden BOOM. It powered off. I mean seriously WHY have those extra 9% if I am never going to use them. So In reality my phone battery is like 80%
100%-(first 10% which drain in like 5-6minutes) - 10% that I never use cause the phone shuts off = 80% BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT COOL
happened to me on cm 5.0.7.1 about 7% battery
I guess this would be an appropriate time/place to ask this question. I had someone PM me asking how to calibrate their battery and I didn't know if I provided them with the correct response. What I've always done is let the battery drain ALL the way down until it dies~usually about 1% and then fully charge the phone while it is off. Then, let it die down once again on that charge and repeat the charging while the phone is off. Is that the correct way to calibrate the battery or am I taking unneccesary steps?
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I guess this would be an appropriate time/place to ask this question. I had someone PM me asking how to calibrate their battery and I didn't know if I provided them with the correct response. What I've always done is let the battery drain ALL the way down until it dies~usually about 1% and then fully charge the phone while it is off. Then, let it die down once again on that charge and repeat the charging while the phone is off. Is that the correct way to calibrate the battery or am I taking unneccesary steps?
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No idea as well honestly. I've never charged my phone while it's off... so that might be the issue...
But then again, my phone has often turned off at the 10% mark. So that's why I thought I'd get more input here on how we can actually find a way to calibrate our batteries or something.
i have two oem batteries and a dock..Everyday I completely drain the first and swap it out with a fully charged one off the dock and both batteries perform great and never shut down above 1% every single time. So the batteries are always completely drained and then have a slow no stress recharge, maybe this is why mine go to 1%?
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No idea as well honestly. I've never charged my phone while it's off... so that might be the issue...
But then again, my phone has often turned off at the 10% mark. So that's why I thought I'd get more input here on how we can actually find a way to calibrate our batteries or something.
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I notice that if I charge my phone while it is off and take it off about 20 minutes after the light turns green, the discharge rate is MUCH slower than if I charge it while the phone is on. Or, I will charge it while on, let it get to 100%, turn it off and continue to charge until the light turns green again. Either of those two ways give me the best results for battery life.
Doesn't the Li-on type of battery calibrate itself when charged from 0% (or the specified minimum) to 100%?
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I notice that if I charge my phone while it is off and take it off about 20 minutes after the light turns green, the discharge rate is MUCH slower than if I charge it while the phone is on. Or, I will charge it while on, let it get to 100%, turn it off and continue to charge until the light turns green again. Either of those two ways give me the best results for battery life.
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Hmm. Interesting thought. Guess letting it charge to 100 while its on is one thing, then turn it off so it maxes out before daily use. I'll try that tomorrow morning and see.
Stats have been recalibrated to pershoots kernels already. So tomorrow will be a good testing day.
LiOn batteries should NOT be drained completely. It is bad for them. You should simply charge to 100%, turn the phone off, let it continue to charge (you may be at 100% when in OS but not truly 100% to the battery) and then wipe battery stats.
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LiOn batteries should NOT be drained completely. It is bad for them. You should simply charge to 100%, turn the phone off, let it continue to charge (you may be at 100% when in OS but not truly 100% to the battery) and then wipe battery stats.
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Yeah, the discharge part is actually true. There's more info here bout the batts, but nothing much bout calibration.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=669497
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Hmm. Interesting thought. Guess letting it charge to 100 while its on is one thing, then turn it off so it maxes out before daily use. I'll try that tomorrow morning and see.
Stats have been recalibrated to pershoots kernels already. So tomorrow will be a good testing day.
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The biggest thing I noticed right off the bat in doing this was that normally my battery drains from 100% to 90% in less than 30 minutes. After doing what I suggested, I see that my battery discharges much slower from 100% to 90%! Hope it works for you.
My phone was doing that ALL the time. Here's what i did that fixed the issue for me.
1.) Let my phone die as usual.
2.) KEPT IT DEAD... for 1 day
3.) Charged with the phone OFF for 1 day.
4.) Went to RA's recovery as soon as i turned the phone on and reset Battery Settings.
5.) Rebooted and all is well.
I hope this helps someone else.
(My phone would die at 13% EVERY time. It got really annoying when trying to Navigate when i forgot my USB cord for my PowerCup. :< )
And yes i know about the whole not letting Lion Batteries die. When i worked for T-Mobile and the customers would bring in their N1's doing this, every call to HTC this is what they told me to do. (Minus the whole awesome recovery and such). They said letting the battery drain will not hurt the phone as long as it regains 100% charge after the initial drain.
AGAIN. This worked for Me. So im not promising you anything. Plus the batteries are only 25 bucks from Google. And i have 4 extras... Just in case. I would invest in some if i were you. Cause lord knows, were going to do some SERIOUS stuff to our phones. Extra Batts dont hurt.
Lithium batteries don't have memories, that's a leftover idea from the old Nickel Cadmium (NiCad) and NiMh (Nickel Metal-Hydride) days. The idea with Lithium (Ion & Polymer) should pretty much just be charged up whenever. Letting them be drained completely isn't good for them and will reduce their lifespan (reduced mAh) although it won't almost immediately kill them ala lead-acids. Overcharging them via a circuit with a poor cutoff also isn't good for them as they'll heat up, phones or any decent AC charger should stop charging when they hit 100% though.
Probably about the best you can do is charge it to 100%, pull the battery and reboot the phone and then reboot it again. The charge calculation will be based on the rated mAh of the battery which depending on the quality of the battery and the charging system of the device could end up giving you some funny figures. Not much you can do about it though.
I just wanted to say that this link does mention a proper calibration charge, it just does not go into detail.
Item 3 of "General Lithium-Ion Battery (LIBs)Usage":
• Although it is said that LIBs do not have memory, it's not entirely true. LIBs have gauges that monitor performance of cells, and if you do a lot of small charges, it won't let those gauges to monitor a full battery potential, causing an invalid indication of charge level. A complete charge/discharge should be made when battery capacity seems reduced, that will calibrate gauges and they will provide your phone with correct charge level status. A full charge/discharge cycle should be done every 30 (or so) partial charges.
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My assumption of a complete charge/discharge cycle would be:
1. drain battery until the device dies
2. charge the battery to 100%
3. power device on
4. drain battery fully until device dies (no small charges!)
5. charge battery to 100%
This should allow the battery gauges to recalibrate and improve battery capacity.
People seem to be in the dark about lithium ion batteries, how they are charged, and how the device estimates battery charge remaining.
Lithium batteries do not have memory effects, but the phone does keep a file with charge info about the battery; it uses this to estimate charge left and how to charge safely when the device is powered on.
When properly charging a Li-ion battery, the last 10% of the charge should take almost as long as the time it takes to charge from 0 to 90% (well about half as long meaning a full third of the charging time should be going into the last 10% of the charge) Charging with the device off, charges the battery more completely and consistently.
Li-ion battery chargers use a type of charge cycle called constant amp/constant voltage. The battery will be force fed amps until the battery's voltage peaks and it will then be fed a constant voltage. (around the 90% charge mark) During the constant voltage phase, the amps that the battery is taking in will be monitored; as the battery gets closer to full charge the amperage will drop more and more, until it is just a tiny trickle. When it gets to that point, the battery is fully charged. Obviously charging with the device still powered on creates a problem for that type of charging. So the battery can only be charged to the peak voltage, then the charge cycle must stop; as the last 10-15% of the charge can not be completed safely.
It is always good to let a device run until dead and then charge with the device off a couple times when the device is new, and then charge the device from empty while powered off once every couple months. (do not do it too often, as Li-ion batteries prefer to be between 50-80% charge for longer service life) This allows the device to maintain a proper reference data file on the battery and its charge state. this data file is what Android uses to estimate the charge in the battery, if the file is not accurate, the device may power down sooner than it should, or not charge fully to a true 100% state. (peak voltage state when powered on that is)
Also, Li-ion batteries are rated for capacity from a discharged voltage of 3v. So a 1500Mah battery is rated to provide 1500mah of power from fully charged to a final discharged voltage of 3v.
I do not know what the minimum operating voltage of various devices is, but if it is higher than 3v; then the phone must shut down at its min operating voltage and not the 3v needed to get full capacity. My Nexus one shuts off around 3.5v so there is around 25% of the actual rated battery capacity left. (remember what I said about Li-ion batteries liking to be between 50-80%, this left over capacity means that running the battery dead repeatedly is less harmful than if you drained the battery to a true 0% state)
There is also a voltage drop on a battery when under load. So if you are putting a heavy load on the device (like a 3D rendered game heavy gps use) then the battery voltage may drop to below the device’s min voltage. This means that if the phone shuts down during this time, you could probably turn it back on and get a few hours of standby or a few more minutes of light use. This could be another cause for people seeing shut downs when the battery gets around 10%.
The amount of power in a battery is high, especially in Li-ion batteries with their high energy densities. Over charging a Li-ion battery can cause an explosion, literally, that little battery in your phone could remove some fingers. Over discharging is bad as well, as it can start a fire; though like I mentioned above, the cut off voltage is above the 0% state, so that is unlikely here.
Ive proposed this before and got a bit shouted down, but thumbs up if anyone comes up with anything
As i see it, its not a problem with the battery. Its a problem with the battery meter. Since following a regime of deleting my batterystats.bin file, i dont see that issue. Its the same on my g1 as it is on my n1.
This is what i do... when i charge my phone, i charge it until 100%. When it reaches that 100%, i use either use the terminal or root explorer to delete the batterystats.bin file. After which i immediately power off the phone. Now, when its powered off(and still attached to the usb charger) the light should be green. But usually its not! Sometimes it charges up to a full hour longer before it turns green! When it turns green, power the phone back up and enjoy tue extra kick of battery life. Its not actually gaining battery life, its just resetting tue battery meter in the phone. This could only be done with a rooted phone. Oh, i think that this whole innaccurate battery meter thing is a problem with android in general. The meter becomes innaccurate with time. Sometimes extremely innaccurate.
Using the terminal...
su(press enter)
rm /data/system/batterystats.bin(press enter)
Then power off
Wow. Lotsa pewpewz here. Haha.
Again, after all the discussions, seeing that most of us agree the N1 keeps "stock" of how the battery chargers, is there a way for us to check or see how the battery is being calibrated, etc?
Not so much an app to modify the calibration, cuz that'll just be too dangerous, but something more like a tool to monitor it, so we know if it's calibrated right or wrong.
Deleting the batterystats.bin file isnt an app. Its either a script you run to delete it or physically deleting it. And its not dangerous. Ive done it well over a thousand times with my g1 and n1 combined. If you wanted to find out how the calibration work, i guess you could make a copy of your batterstats.bin and read it
So I have had mine sitting here all packaged up since tuesday.
And im looking to now actually open it and play with it,
Do you recommend I charge to full when off, or on? Perhaps run it dry and then charge it up?
You used to be told, Charge it for 8 hours before you use it...
That surely can't be true of todays rechargeable battery technology?
[Q] charging and battery damage
If I leave my touchpad on the touchstone charger for long periods and the touchpad is switched on will this damage the battery?
I know I have had laptops and always ran them of the mains and the battery has stopped holding a charge.
Cheers.
I assume that the touchpad has a charging circuit that stops it charging when the battery is full, but batteries will always fail after a while regardless. Lithium batteries are best charged often and not let run down too much in between.
Also, dson't let a lithium battery run down completely, you can significantly shorten its life doing that.
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Also, dson't let a lithium battery run down completely, you can significantly shorten its life doing that.
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source? I thought lithium battery had no memory.
It's not a memory issue, running a lithium battery flat (deep discharging) has a physical effect on it where it will lose it's ability to recharge to as high a level as the previous charge. Each time this happens the battery loses more of it's ability to reach an effective voltage.
Don't take my word for it, do your own research, there's plenty of information out there it internet land.
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If I leave my touchpad on the touchstone charger for long periods and the touchpad is switched on will this damage the battery?
I know I have had laptops and always ran them of the mains and the battery has stopped holding a charge.
Cheers.
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The dev for Dr.battery's has a thread that states that leaving your Touchpad on the touchstone for long periods of time should not impact the battery. Due to it switching to powering the unit after its charged. Though he is doing some testing on that. Also his app should be updated soon for the Touchpad (available through preware). I am still going to contact HP to discuss this as well. I would hate to damage a non replaceable battery. Will update if I have any new info.
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It's not a memory issue, running a lithium battery flat (deep discharging) has a physical effect on it where it will lose it's ability to recharge to as high a level as the previous charge. Each time this happens the battery loses more of it's ability to reach an effective voltage.
Don't take my word for it, do your own research, there's plenty of information out there it internet land.
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I have done my own research. That's why i don't think this is accurate.
If you have some proof please share.
Besides common aging, a Li-ion battery can also fail because of undercharge. This occurs if a Li-ion pack is stored in a discharged condition. Self-discharge gradually lowers the voltage of the already discharged battery and the protection circuit cuts off between 2.20 and 2.90V/cell.
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http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Basically through normal use you can probably expect around 250-300 full charge cycles (partial charges only count as partial and add up with other partial charges to be a full cycle) in an average battery pack before it has degraded to 80% of it's original capacity. I don't see anything that point to full discharges being damaging. However storing it for longer periods of time fully discharged can affect life.
ambivalent-one I think the figure of 250-300 charge cycles you've pulled from that page refer to deep discharge cycle tests done by them, personally I'd be very unhappy with that kind of lifespan in a battery in regular usage. The same page you've posted http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries shows a chart of charge cycles versus depth of discharge.
Table 2: Cycle life and depth of discharge
A partial discharge reduces stress and prolongs battery life. Elevated temperature and high currents also affect cycle life.
Charges - Depth of Discharge
500 - 100% DoD
1500 - 50% DoD
2500 - 25% DoD
4700 - 10% DoD
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As you can see a L-ion battery can be made to last nearly ten times longer by keeping the charge level up near max.
Quote from http://www.batterieswholesale.com/damaging_batteries.htm
The Li-Ion cell should never be allowed to drop below about 2.4V, or an internal chemical reaction will occur where one of the battery electrodes can oxidize (corrode) through a process which can not be reversed by recharging. If this occurs, battery capacity will be lost (and the cell may be completely destroyed)
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karan1203 if you reckon the information about deep discharge not accurate, can you provide the results of your own research that shows this?
Just let it die the first time, then charge when under 5%.
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I have done my own research. That's why i don't think this is accurate.
If you have some proof please share.
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Your research must've been incredibly basic in that case. The 2nd result I get when Googling "lithium batteries" gives me the wikipedia page which has a small amount of into on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
Look at the "Safety requirements" section for a start.
Also Google "lithium batteries discharge" returns some useful links.
I have seen lots of threads about people complaining about very poor battery life after flashing roms. Sometimes battery charges to 100% quickly and discharges very quickly.
So, these are the solutions. These solutions are IN ORDER. If the first one has no effect, then try the next one. If the second one doesn't work, then try the third one.
Now-
1) Try reflashing your ROM.
2) If reflashing your current ROM doesn't work, that probably means the ROM itself has poor battery life and you should change it. Stock ROM's have the best battery life.
3) If you are on stock ROM and still having problems, switch off your phone, take off the back cover and remove the battery. If the battery is swollen or the shaped weirdly, this means your battery is dead and almost useless. You need to buy a new one.
I recommend buying only stock batteries manufactured by Samsung because other batteries can be fake, incompatible, or just used batteries sold to you. Don't buy anything else unless you're absolutely sure of what you're doing.
Hopefully I helped.
Re: Solutions to Battery Problems[Newbie Friendly]
General tips for saving your battery-
1) Switch off mobile data whenever you're not using the internet.
2) Change your wifi sleep policy. This can be done by going to wifi settings, pressing menu button and then select advanced.
You can change your sleep policy so that your wifi sleeps when the screen is off.
3) Decrease your brightness! Your screen is responsible for most of the battery drain. Increase your brightness only when you are in bright sunlight or when you're watching videos etc.
4) Switch off GPS. Keeping it on all the time also drains a lot of battery.
5) There is an app called 'Greenify' which hibernates the apps running in the background. This app has increased my battery life. Here a link https://play.google.com/store/apps/...e=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_term=greenify
6) Don't charge your phone when it's at 70%. Wait till it is between 20-30% and then charge it continuously till it reaches 100%.
7) Let your battery completely discharge once every month.
8) Don't use task killers. They use more battery life than they save.
9) NEVER charge your phone overnight. Your phone takes only about 4 hours to charge. Overcharging reduces your battery life
10) If you use a Bluetooth headset, switch off Bluetooth whenever not in use.
11) Using setCPU profiles. This is one of the most effective ways of saving battery. You all know about overclocking, but do you know about underclocking or undervolting? Using profiles, You decrease the clock speed of your CPU when certain conditions are met. These profiles can be on the basis of time, screen off/on, battery etc. So when my screen is off, it automatically reduces the clockspeed which saves battery
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General tips for saving your battery-
1) Switch off mobile data whenever you're not using the internet.
2) Change your wifi sleep policy. This can be done by going to wifi settings, pressing menu button and then select advanced.
You can change your sleep policy so that your wifi sleeps when the screen is off.
3) Decrease your brightness! Your screen is responsible for most of the battery drain. Increase your brightness only when you are in bright sunlight or when you're watching videos etc.
4) Switch off GPS. Keeping it on all the time also drains a lot of battery.
5) There is an app called 'Greenify' which hibernates the apps running in the background. This app has increased my battery life. Here a link https://play.google.com/store/apps/...e=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_term=greenify
6) Don't charge your phone when it's at 40%. Wait till is below 10% and then charge it continuously till it reaches 100%.
7) Let your battery completely discharge once every month.
8) Don't use task killers. They use more battery life than they save.
9) NEVER charge your phone overnight. Your phone takes only about 4 hours to charge. Overcharging reduces your battery life
10) If you use a Bluetooth headset, switch off Bluetooth whenever not in use.
Using these tips, I have gotten almost 2 days of battery life on stock Roms and a whole day of battery life on custom roms like CM10.1 and CM7
If you have your own battery saving tips, please share and help expand this list.
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I'm interested in the greenify app, the only problem is that it does not support stock gingerbread which can give the most juice. Do you have any other recommendations of similar apps?
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I'm interested in the greenify app, the only problem is that it does not support stock gingerbread which can give the most juice. Do you have any other recommendations of similar apps?
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Greenify is a unique app and I am yet to come across a similar app.
You can try this one but it is paid - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.elsdoerfer.android.autostarts
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6) Don't charge your phone when it's at 40%. Wait till is below 10% and then charge it continuously till it reaches 100%.
9) NEVER charge your phone overnight. Your phone takes only about 4 hours to charge. Overcharging reduces your battery life
Are you sure about these? Because I've read that phones only take how much ever charge that they need, so charging overnight isn't a problem. And i've also heard that letting the battery charge fall below 40% actually reduces the life over time.
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6) Don't charge your phone when it's at 40%. Wait till is below 10% and then charge it continuously till it reaches 100%.
9) NEVER charge your phone overnight. Your phone takes only about 4 hours to charge. Overcharging reduces your battery life
Are you sure about these? Because I've read that phones only take how much ever charge that they need, so charging overnight isn't a problem. And i've also heard that letting the battery charge fall below 40% actually reduces the life over time.
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Yes, I am sure and it is something I have verified.
Overcharging kills the battery.
I saw a video once of an evo 3d. The battery almost completely died after it was charged for 3 days
And you should always charge only when your battery is low.
This will ensure longer battery life
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Overcharging kills the battery.
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Normally, when the battery is fully charged, the chip that controls the charging process reduce the current exponentially to 0: this avoid the overcharging.
I think all smartphones have the charging chip control integrated (an USB cable is simply a power source, not a battery charger), so I hope we can leave the phones on charge all the night without any problem. I do that always and never had problems.
Clearing battery stats has no effect whatsoever on battery life ...
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Clearing battery stats has no effect whatsoever on battery life ...
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Well, if you see again, I never mentioned that clearing battery stats saves battery. It is for those people whose phone charges very quickly with big increments, which typically happens after changing ROM's.
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smanq said:
Normally, when the battery is fully charged, the chip that controls the charging process reduce the current exponentially to 0: this avoid the overcharging.
I think all smartphones have the charging chip control integrated (an USB cable is simply a power source, not a battery charger), so I hope we can leave the phones on charge all the night without any problem. I do that always and never had problems.
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It seems both of us have read conflicting and contradicting things.
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Well, if you see again, I never mentioned that clearing battery stats saves battery. It is for those people whose phone charges very quickly with big increments, which typically happens after changing ROM's.
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Quoting Dianne Hacborn(Android Framework Engineer):
"Today's myth debunking:
"The battery indicator in the status/notification bar is a reflection of the batterystats.bin file in the data/system/directory."
No, it does not.
This file is used to maintain, across reboots, low-level data about the kinds of operations the device and your apps are doing between battery changes. That is, it is solely used to compute the blame for battery usage shown in the "Battery Use" UI in settings.
That is, it has deeply significant things like "app X held a wake lock for 2 minutes" and "the screen was on at 60% brightness for 10 minutes."
It has no impact on the current battery level shown to you.
It has no impact on your battery life.
Deleting it is not going to do anything to make your more device more fantastic and wonderful... well, unless you have some deep hatred for seeing anything shown in the battery usage UI. And anyway, it is reset every time you unplug from power with a relatively full charge (thus why the battery usage UI data resets at that point), so this would be a much easier way to make it go away."
Its just a myth mate..
And also, it's a myth that you should let ur phone charge reach 10% or get fully discharged before charging. This actually leads to decrease in the battery life over time.
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Quoting Dianne Hacborn(Android Framework Engineer):
"Today's myth debunking:
"The battery indicator in the status/notification bar is a reflection of the batterystats.bin file in the data/system/directory."
No, it does not.
This file is used to maintain, across reboots, low-level data about the kinds of operations the device and your apps are doing between battery changes. That is, it is solely used to compute the blame for battery usage shown in the "Battery Use" UI in settings.
That is, it has deeply significant things like "app X held a wake lock for 2 minutes" and "the screen was on at 60% brightness for 10 minutes."
It has no impact on the current battery level shown to you.
It has no impact on your battery life.
Deleting it is not going to do anything to make your more device more fantastic and wonderful... well, unless you have some deep hatred for seeing anything shown in the battery usage UI. And anyway, it is reset every time you unplug from power with a relatively full charge (thus why the battery usage UI data resets at that point), so this would be a much easier way to make it go away."
Its just a myth mate..
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I am aware of what you are saying and I fully agree.
But I have never mentioned that clearing battery stats increases battery life!
Tips to increase battery life are in the 2nd post. I simply said that if you clear your battery stats, UI will show you battery which is more accurate to the actual battery level.
Why are you arguing over something I never said?
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And also, it's a myth that you should let ur phone charge reach 10% or get fully discharged before charging. This actually leads to decrease in the battery life over time.
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Think of your battery as a person working out and charging is like taking rest. If the person's ability is to do 100 reps yet he takes rest after only 60 reps and keeps doing that continuously, he won't be able to do 100 reps after a few weeks!
Look at the logic mate.
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I am aware of what you are saying and I fully agree.
But I have never mentioned that clearing battery stats increases battery life!
Tips to increase battery life are in the 2nd post. I simply said that if you clear your battery stats, UI will show you battery which is more accurate to the actual battery level.
Why are you arguing over something I never said?
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I am not arguing :/
I am just trying to help make your guide more Informative. Read what I have put in bold letters mate. It doesn't affect the battery level shown to you
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I am not arguing :/
I am just trying to help make your guide more Informative. Read what I have put in bold letters mate. It doesn't affect the battery level shown to you
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Sorry if I sounded rude.
And thank you for your advice.
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(I was Chalak)
Thanks for tips
You misunderstood me :'D
Clearing battery stats does not:
Affect battery life
Affect the battery level displayed to you
The only thing it does is, it wipes the history of battery consumption by each app. I am talking about the battery consumption by each app shown to you in Settings>About phone. If you clear the battery stats.bin file, the only thing that geta erased is this
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You misunderstood me :'D
Clearing battery stats does not:
Affect battery life
Affect the battery level displayed to you
The only thing it does is, it wipes the history of battery consumption by each app. I am talking about the battery consumption by each app shown to you in Settings>About phone. If you clear the battery stats.bin file, the only thing that geta erased is this
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This! Anything about wiping battery stats is not a myth anymore, so please stop misleading people,
Also "6) Don't charge your phone when it's at 40%. Wait till is below 10% and then charge it continuously till it reaches 100%."
Not true! Charging your battery around 50% is the most efficient way to keep lithium battery alive longer. A discharge once a month is also recommended.
We all know that our phone's battery dies at 10~14% itself. (Especially when you charge to full and then use till it dies) Why does this happen?? OR IS IT JUST ME?!
same here
It just does...... Like the LED goes green @90%
sid394 said:
We all know that our phone's battery dies at 10~14% itself. (Especially when you charge to full and then use till it dies) Why does this happen?? OR IS IT JUST ME?!
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At least it's not a software issue that's fixable. The battery percentage is calculated by the voltage provided by the battery, which drops rapidly when battery is almost empty. Depending on age and charging cycles (amongst other things like quality) the battery behaviour may change, so the OS may do some false calculation about battery level. It's hard for me to explain this more precisely, especially in english, but i don't even know if someone here can understand what i just wrote about battery level and voltage (no offense ), so i won't go any further into this. I don't say this is normal for every Li-Ion battery, some bad calculations and/or design choices by the manufacturer may contribute to this too.
I've got a new battery in my device (the third already -.- ) and it doesn't show this behaviour yet, but i know this from the two batteries i had before.
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At least it's not a software issue that's fixable. The battery percentage is calculated by the voltage provided by the battery, which drops rapidly when battery is almost empty. Depending on age and charging cycles (amongst other things like quality) the battery behaviour may change, so the OS may do some false calculation about battery level. It's hard for me to explain this more precisely, especially in english, but i don't even know if someone here can understand what i just wrote about battery level and voltage (no offense ), so i won't go any further into this. I don't say this is normal for every Li-Ion battery, some bad calculations and/or design choices by the manufacturer may contribute to this too.
I've got a new battery in my device (the third already -.- ) and it doesn't show this behaviour yet, but i know this from the two batteries i had before.
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Makes perfect sense to me. My understanding of it is pretty much what you said. ALL X+ owners have this issue unfortunately.
Lloir said:
Makes perfect sense to me. My understanding of it is pretty much what you said. ALL X+ owners have this issue unfortunately.
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Yeah, but other smartphones do not necessarily show this, so i guess htc just wanted to get the most capacity out of the battery which ends up in voltage dropping too fast at this point, so making exact calculation/prediciton of battery level almost impossible. Other manufacturers/other phones may have a bit more of a "reserve" on low battery level, like phone shuts down at some point before battery is completely empty, which makes it easier and more precise to calculate the right percentage.
Replacing battery helps. I had the same issue and after replacing battery it acts normal. 14%-0% act as other percentages ...
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From what I've noticed, the battery level is more accurate when charging up to 100% and not 99%. When I'm stuck at 99% and unplug the charger, for a long time I see battery level at 99% level, which of course isn't true. But if I wait until 100% charged, the battery percent drops quite accurately.
I don't know if software can improve charging, but DU Battery Saver app is supposed to improve charging and showing accurate battery level.
Yeah! Charging upto 100% definitely helps. When I had the habit of charging my phone only upto 90%, after some cycle I had my phone die on me at 40%
OK, first of all, we all know that the S6 has NEVER been known for being a battery life champion. BUT, here's the problem .....
Battery reports relatively consistent decline in charge over time, until it gets down to 1%. At that point, the device still has sufficient charge to run for about one hour with the display on and set at full brightness.
Same on Stock Nougat, L.O.S 14 and L.O.S. 16. Same after full factory re-sets on all three. Same on pull and re-connect battery, which is a factory-new Samsung replacement for the original (not the 7 edge mod)
OBVIOUSLY, there is something not quite right about battery capacity reporting here.
Suggestions?
nezlek said:
OBVIOUSLY, there is something not quite right about battery capacity reporting here.
Suggestions?
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Ion Lithium batteries do not like to be completely discharged, to my knowledge ideally they should always be operated between 20% and 80% of their capacity.
Some laptop's do shut-down them selves when battery reaches 5% to safe guard the battery health.
So, yes, 1% reported by the battery does not actually include the "reserve" charge to prevent damages and, unless you really have to, do not use you phone with battery below 10% and charge it !
Under normal circumstances
enryfox said:
Ion Lithium batteries do not like to be completely discharged, to my knowledge ideally they should always be operated between 20% and 80% of their capacity.
Some laptop's do shut-down them selves when battery reaches 5% to safe guard the battery health.
So, yes, 1% reported by the battery does not actually include the "reserve" charge to prevent damages and, unless you really have to, do not use you phone with battery below 10% and charge it !
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Under normal circumstances, yes, definitely, keeping it between 30% and 80% is ideal, but when the goal is to accurately calibrate the battery / charging monitor circuitry, more accurate results are to be obtained by running the device to the point of battery exhaustion, at which point the reserve capacity designed into all lithium batteries still remains. But this is NOT something to think about doing on a daily basis. An S6 or S6 edge first run to the point of shutdown will actually re-boot but shut down just about immediately thereafter - iterations are not advised. You want it to have just enough left to get it to re-boot and stay running while charging, at which point you can monitor the recharge . Check out the data from Battery University or the support pages for Accu Battery for more details. Trying to use up the built-in safety margin is a fool's errand, and if you've ever seen a mishandled lithium cell turn a vivid red while the device in question melts around it, it should give you a healthy respect (if for some reason you did not have it in the first place) for not messing with or even attempting to mess with the reserve. The problem here is that the "1%" remaining on the charge meter (which is above, beyond, and independent of the untouchable reserve) actually appears to represent about 15% of the rated capacity of the battery, or in this case, over an hour of screen-on run time, and by never running that out, a current-flow-based app like Accu Battery will invariably under-report capacity going forward as a result. Such apps measure how much current is drawn to get from 'x' percent to 'y' percent being reported, but when the amount of current draw to get from 1% to zero is a range of around 300 mAh, for a battery nominally rated at 2,550 (for an S6) or 2,600 (for a S6 edge) as the total capacity, the problem of how accurate the "1%" figure is should be kind of self-evident. I am not willing to see how low a "0%" capacity report can be pushed down. Sanity has to rear its ugly little head at some point, after all.
Many alternative kernels, etc.. claim to address this problem, but I have yet to find one that actually does the job. It is rumored that Samsung service facilities can do a complete reset of the capacity reporting capability, but who knows? Maybe the luck of the draw gave me a dud battery from Samsung as the replacement. :crying: