Why does t Sprint just continue to build their wimax network? Merge or buyout clearwire and continue with what they already got?
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Ok just stay out of it then lol
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im with you. we beat this horse enough!
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because sprint has their own lte network? lightsquared was just a regional addon
Thanks, Shabbs! Yay, hopefully it gets LTE Approval, do you know if it has already?
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The point of lightsquared was to broadcast lte from satellites. Was essentially going to give them near 100% coverage in the us with the flip of a switch.
If they are out of the picture then we are back to getting 4g from towers which will take years. To build out.
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i read from some recent articles, Lightsquared has been stating a pretty solid argument (in my opinion) that the first test was purposely rigged, a board member on fcc or somethin was from a GPS company, they used old out dated gps devices that was being interfered with because of careless manufacturing (faulty design) fcc took it to courts/congress to help investigate while also redoing the testing of their network and gps interference
i probably left a lot out ill try to find links
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Sounded like a Bull**** deal
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Wimax is limited next to Lte
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Wimax is limited next to Lte
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Sprint is limited
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Why does t Sprint just continue to build their wimax network? Merge or buyout clearwire and continue with what they already got?
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Haha because Wimax blows and I would rather rely on Sprint to build out a 4G network than Clearwire to execute a 4G plan. We all know how Clearwire did with Wimax and lets just say its not complete. Also I would rather have Sprint on a 4G standard that is compliant to every other major carrier and follows the 3GPP standard and plus LTE is much better than Wimax.
Also I am tired of the 2.5 Ghz poor indoor penetration spectrum. I would rather have Sprint's 800 and 1900 Mhz spectrum for LTE and only rely on Clearwire for supplemental LTE capacity instead of relying entirely on Clearwire. I hope Clearwire succeeds and becomes really profitable because that just means that Sprint will be more profitable since it owns a 54% stake.
Maybe when clearwire is profitable they can begin to start expanding again but I don't see this happening until 2015-2016 at the very earliest but they need to focus on getting back into the black.
Light squared may be doomed but sprint still had clear. They are worth a hell of a lot more now since Verizon's huge priced spectrum buy a few months ago. They were set to be gobbled up by sprint but now the value of their spectrum is greater than sprints market cap. Having spent some time with a network engineer for clear, they aren't doing as bad as people think. Sprint will probably end up with much more spectrum than att has now for lte at least with their partnership. Clear will contract out bandwidth to many companies though. You have to remember that even Verizon is pretty limited and will face some problems as lte is more widely adopted. They have only about 10-15mhz of bandwidth.
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Included in the EVO 3D is SMR (Sprint's restructuring of the Nextel frequencies), it should be ready to actually do something late this year. It's possible we will see a push-to-talk solution for phones that support it, like the EVO 3D. No word on any SMR support for the Photon, but world capabilities will trump PTT for most folks.
Exciting time for Sprint!
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They are using the frequency to use as a 800mhz CDMA. Will PTT still be possible?
How will this make Sprint service better ?
Yes yes, basically the new sprint will eliminate 15000 towers and join the nextel frequency onto sprint. It will run as 1x Advanced. Ptt will be possible on the evo 3d, which is awesome
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How will this make Sprint service better ?
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Nextel and Sprint towers combined = better coverage and penetration.
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Included in the EVO 3D is SMR (Sprint's restructuring of the Nextel frequencies), it should be ready to actually do something late this year. It's possible we will see a push-to-talk solution for phones that support it, like the EVO 3D. No word on any SMR support for the Photon, but world capabilities will trump PTT for most folks.
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SMR (Sprint's restructuring of the Nextel frequencies) should be ready to actually do something late this year. It's possible we will see a push-to-talk solution for phones that support it, like the EVO 3D. No word on any SMR support for the Photon, but world capabilities will trump PTT for most folks.
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Are you just cut & pasting the androidcentral article? lol
You could at least include a link...
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-evo-3d-and-motorola-photon-specs-comparison
I'd take better coverage and building penetration with the 800 mhz (or whatever the freq. is) anyday over a world phone.
Didn't most Nextel PTT phones have a dedicated button for it? Would they just have a software solution (like an app essentially) if it were to be used on something like the Evo 3D?
I don't care for the push to talk ....I just want better coverage.
Lol yeah I did copy and paste it. but who cares?
Anyways, yeah...from what it looks like voice and data and lte will all run on 800 m
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Yes yes, basically the new sprint will eliminate 15000 towers and join the nextel frequency onto sprint. It will run as 1x Advanced. Ptt will be possible on the evo 3d, which is awesome
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Although 800mhz has better distance and building penetration; eliminating towers isn't a good thing for the user. Less towers means less capacity and possibly worse coverage. Yes, 1 tower at 800 mhz can theoretically replace 2 at 1600 mhz, but I'd rather have the over lap, in coverage, and higher capacity.
Years ago ,when it was just Cingular and Bell Atlantic mobile running analog service, Cingular use to use less towers but they were twice the height of Bell Atlantic's towers in my area. Based on their coverage map, you'd think they had service in the same areas, but Cingular's service had tons of holes. I also use to get the fast busy when they were out of capacity. And even though Cingular was much cheaper, I went back to Bell Atlantic mobile as soon as my contract was over...
Sprint!!! Give me 800mhz and keep the existing towers too!!!
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Yes yes, basically the new sprint will eliminate 15000 towers and join the nextel frequency onto sprint. It will run as 1x Advanced. Ptt will be possible on the evo 3d, which is awesome
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Yes BUT the EVO3d lacks the necessary hardware to be able to do 1x advanced so even if they get that up this phone will NOT be able to take advantage of the voice+data at same time over CDMA which is unfortunate.
Will the evo 3d be lte ready or will it need some type or sim.card
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Lol yeah I did copy and paste it. but who cares?
Anyways, yeah...from what it looks like voice and data and lte will all run on 800 m
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Although 800mhz has better distance and building penetration; eliminating towers isn't a good thing for the user. Less towers means less capacity and possibly worse coverage. Yes, 1 tower at 800 mhz can theoretically replace 2 at 1600 mhz, but I'd rather have the over lap, in coverage, and higher capacity.
Years ago ,when it was just Cingular and Bell Atlantic mobile running analog service, Cingular use to use less towers but they were twice the height of Bell Atlantic's towers in my area. Based on their coverage map, you'd think they had service in the same areas, but Cingular's service had tons of holes. I also use to get the fast busy when they were out of capacity. And even though Cingular was much cheaper, I went back to Bell Atlantic mobile as soon as my contract was over...
Sprint!!! Give me 800mhz and keep the existing towers too!!!
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Also just it being lower MHz freq isn't necc going to make it better in the real world application alone. Hence VZ wanting to swap 700MHz spectrum for 1900MHz b/c of tower placement and buildout needs. HERE
There are many places where the higher spectrum is actually better than lower b/c of tower saturation that would occur and the point that the lower spectrum towers need to be further apart from one another. http://androidforums.com/2796729-post21.html
In general yes we will see huge advantage to the 800MHz band being used but mainly b/c the towers will be multimode and your phone will be able to connect across all freq picking the best depending on your location.
You guys have totally misunderstood everything. Nvm, I'll just wait til sprint makes the official announcement to explain everything
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You guys have totally misunderstood everything. Nvm, I'll just wait til sprint makes the official announcement to explain everything
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What's there to misunderstand? The article you copied pretty much spells everything out and re-hashes what most of us probably already knew from the FCC docs.
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You guys have totally misunderstood everything. Nvm, I'll just wait til sprint makes the official announcement to explain everything
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It's ok some people are just never satisfied.
With Sprint being in the business for a long time I'm sure their engineers know more than the average users here.
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What's there to misunderstand? The article you copied pretty much spells everything out and re-hashes what most of us probably already knew from the FCC docs.
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For one, they are eliminating 15000 towers because some of the nextel and sprint towers are right next to each other. every sprint tower will run 800 mhz, 1900 mhz, and 2.5 ghz, with voice data and 4g running on all three. Your phone will select the most that is the strongest depending on where you are at. So spectrum bandwidth and strength are not a factor, especially since sprint has the most spectrum out of all the carriers.
From what I have heard from my source, the lte testing for sprint has been clocked at 40 to 50 mb per second, faster then any test by verizon or att
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For one, they are eliminating 15000 towers because some of the nextel and sprint towers are right next to each other. every sprint tower will run 800 mhz, 1900 mhz, and 2.5 ghz, with voice data and 4g running on all three. Your phone will select the most that is the strongest depending on where you are at. So spectrum bandwidth and strength are not a factor, especially since sprint has the most spectrum out of all the carriers.
From what I have heard from my source, the lte testing for sprint has been clocked at 40 to 50 mb per second, faster then any test by verizon or att
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Dont think I really missunderstood anything at all. I was more so just being a little more specific about the stuff so others dont get confused and assume b/c its cleared to work on the 800MHz band and with Network Vision upgrades that it doesn't mean the phone will do voice+data over CDMA. B/c the phone lacks the hardware to do CDMA Advanced so thats out of the question from what I've read and been told.
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Dont think I really missunderstood anything at all. I was more so just being a little more specific about the stuff so others dont get confused and assume b/c its cleared to work on the 800MHz band and with Network Vision upgrades that it doesn't mean the phone will do voice+data over CDMA. B/c the phone lacks the hardware to do CDMA Advanced so thats out of the question from what I've read and been told.
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If that's the case then Sprint must be assuming the 3D will be a legacy by the time the network is fully functional.
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Hey guys just wanted to share that according to this http://www.androidcentral.com/sprin...-lte-network?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=twitter Sprint and LightSquared will be providing 4G LTE.
What do you guys think will happen with us Wimax 4G customers when they start providing LTE?
I personally think that by then our contract will be near to be ending and we'll be getting early upgrades for our LTE phones but it might be earlier you never know...
Sorry if this has been posted already... If it has mods feel free to delete this one
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And posted here since we will have the 3VO which is Wimax 4G...
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Hey guys just wanted to share that according to this http://www.androidcentral.com/sprin...-lte-network?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=twitter Sprint and LightSquared will be providing 4G LTE.
What do you guys think will happen with us Wimax 4G customers when they start providing LTE?
I personally think that by then our contract will be near to be ending and we'll be getting early upgrades for our LTE phones but it might be earlier you never know...
Sorry if this has been posted already... If it has mods feel free to delete this one
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By the time lte is up and running you will be on the next version if the 3d....and even then there will be both wimax and lte. So you have plenty if time till they get that up and running.
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This thread already exists in this forum...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1129502
Also, the next generation of Qualcomm's processors have 3G/LTE support. I doubt we'll see this network up and running while these phones are still relevant. So during your next phone purchase, it might be important.
Just read an article about lightsquared 4g lte. It said something about using 10mghz block. What does that mean to us and if the are referring to spectrum wjat does that mean as far as building penetration and speeds?
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Now that wimax is pretty dead with the new LTE contract, does that make my new 3VO obsolete?
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Short answer : no.
Why? Two words : backlash.
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sprint will not be instantly switching to lte, the network still needs to be rolled out, it will probably be a few years time, all the while wimax will still be active. im sure wimax devices will start to get phased out before lte is ready to launch.
When Sprint switches to LTE will we be able to use Sprint phones on Verizon and vice versa, and have data?
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Now that wimax is pretty dead with the new LTE contract, does that make my new 3VO obsolete?
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yes, return your phone.
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Now that wimax is pretty dead with the new LTE contract, does that make my new 3VO obsolete?
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Nope your phone is not going to be obsolete and wimax will be upgraded to LTE. All they have to do is swap a baseband card on their end and an OTA update for the phone.
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Thanks for you ass clown comment.
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babyschoof said:
Now that wimax is pretty dead with the new LTE contract, does that make my new 3VO obsolete?
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Answer, no.. clearwire, which is the 4g Wimax, is going to piggy back off of Sprint with the LTE, which basically means that clearwire is going LTE too so the phones should work on there bands for 4g
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yes, return your phone.
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On my way
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Nope your phone is not going to be obsolete and wimax will be upgraded to LTE. All they have to do is swap a baseband card on their end and an OTA update for the phone.
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that is to upgrade the towers to broadcast lte, our wimax radio will not receive lte. someone prove me wrong...
its my understanding after reading everything that lightsquared had a deal to use sprints network for its lte deployment and 3g roaming, they are paying sprint the money, not the other way around
Lol... People think that sprints deploying LTE when they getting money from litesquared in exchange for them using their network for testing and deploying _their_ LTE.
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DoctorComrade and NewZJ are quite correct. If you read the press release about it made by Sprint (Found here: http://newsroom.sprint.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1989) Sprint entered an agreement with LightSquared to deploy LTE basestations on Sprint's towers. This is because it is significantly cheaper for LightSquared compared to deploying their own towers and network.
With this agreement, Sprint has the option to purchase bandwidth from LightSquared in the future, if they decide to.
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DoctorComrade and NewZJ are quite correct. If you read the press release about it made by Sprint (Found here: http://newsroom.sprint.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1989) Sprint entered an agreement with LightSquared to deploy LTE basestations on Sprint's towers. This is because it is significantly cheaper for LightSquared compared to deploying their own towers and network.
With this agreement, Sprint has the option to purchase bandwidth from LightSquared in the future, if they decide to.
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Helps with the backhaul for sprints network.
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When Sprint switches to LTE will we be able to use Sprint phones on Verizon and vice versa, and have data?
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From what I have read, no. As I understand it, the frequencies used for LTE and WiMax are part of the old analog TV spectrum. When the US switched to digital all those frequencies were auctioned off. Different carriers now own different parts of the spectrum and their phones need chips tuned to those particular frequencies. The lower end of the spectrum has the best building penetration and sold for the most money, that's the part that Verizon bought. As for whether they can make chips that switch depending on strongest signal, I don't know. As for whether cell providers will make deals allowing roaming on each others LTE networks, I don't know. As I said I could be wrong about this whole thing, this is just my understanding from the info I've read on the subject.
Wimax is 2000+ mhz, Verizon LTE is 700ish mhz
So no roaming, Wimax was said to be its upgradable to LTE via ota push
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wimax and lte can be any frequency, verizon happens to have approval for ~750, att ~700, sprint ~2400. fcc must approve the usage and sprint neither has the approval or spectrum to do it lower unless they give up iden (~800-850) and then get approval but nextel ptt is still popular
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Wimax is 2000+ mhz, Verizon LTE is 700ish mhz
So no roaming, Wimax was said to be its upgradable to LTE via ota push
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I'm pretty sure the frequency for LTE is dependent on the frequencies each carrier has purchased the rights to. I believe the reason WiMax is 2000+ and Verizon LTE is 700 is because that's the part of the spectrum that each company owns, not some inherent requirement for each technology.
Edit: NewZJ beat me to it.
I just read that clearwire is partnering with China Mobile to get the new technology TD-LTE which is good news for sprint but bad news for customers who have a phone that supports Wimax... We spend 10 dollars extra to get Wimax and I don't get a damn signal in San Diego... Sprint is ripping us off and then they'll switch to TD-LTE and we'll all have to pay for a new phone!!!!
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If you think you're paying $10/month for WiMax then I don't think you should be posting any sort of rants.
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Lmfao............
You can be assured Sprint will be getting an angry call from me when my new Photon's 4G becomes unsupported.
i thought the Photon has a hidden lte feature in it? i was reading in the forums something about Rev B could be activated with a update.........
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i thought the Photon has a hidden lte feature in it? i was reading in the forums something about Rev B could be activated with a update.........
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Rev B != LTE
However, I have looked through a few things on the phone and noticed tons of references to LTE. Also several references to Verizon...some people aren't very good about cleaning up behind them selves.
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Rev B != LTE
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where's your source for this statement ??
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If you think you're paying $10/month for WiMax then I don't think you should be posting any sort of rants.
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^ +1 lmao
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where's your source for this statement ??
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Don't need a source, EVDO Rev. B is just another form of CDMA 3G, that could bring us 10mb speeds on CDMA, it partners with 1Xrtt advanced which should allow us to have greater call quality and data at the same time, more like a GSM networks current capabilities . LTE is a whole nother network technology.
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I thought that lte doesn't function right with tegra 2 processors. Isn't that why the bionic was taken back to the drawing board then re-introduced with the Ti-Omap processor, if this is true the photon wouldn't be that great as a lte device. I could be wrong
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Better work with tegra or XOOM owners are screwed.
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Ain't it a new version that came out with the lte chips?
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Only difference im aware of is the radio.
And last I heard they had started upgrading test groups.
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I found this article online and was wondering whether this will help our Evos and its infamous 4G connectivity problem: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...ith-att-and-verizons-coverage-and-performance
Our phone doesn't have the required hardware to work on those frequencies, there are no devices as of now that can download that other than the newest hotspots that will be or was just released, somebody correct me if I'm wrong...
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Our phone doesn't have the required hardware to work on those frequencies, there are no devices as of now that can download that other than the newest hotspots that will be or was just released, somebody correct me if I'm wrong...
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Nope you're correct. Only hotspots for now, with handsets coming in the future. I'm excited to see this happening.
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I, too, take this as good news. While this might not help our current devices in any way, at least I know that my next device in 2yrs should have pretty awesome service by that time.
And with the increase in network speed, I'm hoping that more customers migrate/return to Sprint, and ensuring that we keep truly unlimited data. Not unless they get greedy...
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I, too, take this as good news. While this might not help our current devices in any way, at least I know that my next device in 2yrs should have pretty awesome service by that time.
And with the increase in network speed, I'm hoping that more customers migrate/return to Sprint, and ensuring that we keep truly unlimited data. Not unless they get greedy...
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Sounds interesting, but I remember thinking the same thing 2 years ago... I really want to give Sprint the benefit of the doubt but it's tough when my wife is getting 30 mbps down with at&t while I'm lucky to get 3 sitting right next to her. It kinda defeats the purpose of having unlimited data if you're limited in what you can do with it.
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Good news. I hope the future HTC M8 will take advantage of Sprint's new LTE TDD.
I never got Wimax, haven't even heard of LTE coming to my city and they're already moving to the next thing? I may never see 4G
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I never got Wimax, haven't even heard of LTE coming to my city and they're already moving to the next thing? I may never see 4G
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Almost every single tower in the country will get 1900MHz LTE. The TDD LTE came out of the Clearwire acquisition and won't effect the rollout of the LTE that your phone can use.
TDD LTE will have higher speeds but a much shorter range, and is designed to compliment, not replace, the 1900 (and eventually 800) MHz LTE.
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Almost every single tower in the country will get 1900MHz LTE.
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That is a VERY VERY long time away, especially for sprint. Hell, I don't even think verizon has done that yet, although they have done most
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Actually, 90-95% of all the towers will have 1900 CDMA/LTE by end of 2014-Q12015 along with 800 CDMA/LTE and 2.5 LTE. Network will have the highest throughput of all operators.
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Actually, 90-95% of all the towers will have 1900 CDMA/LTE by end of 2014-Q12015 along with 800 CDMA/LTE and 2.5 LTE. Network will have the highest throughput of all operators.
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Where did you learn this?
Also, about 3mo ago I saw 4g pop up on my signal and about shat, but if I moved out of my kitchen it was gone. Now, it seems to be everywhere. Wimax has been everywhere here (Everett Wa.) about 2yrs . Good for you sprint. :thumbup:
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