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So I installed SetCPU today. Been testing the kernels ability to work underclocked at the max of 918mhz. Also set the scaling to conservative. After a days use it's been as good as normal full speed, 1512mhz
The battery lasted throughout the day, compared to my first two days of stock settings with only 6 hours of good use.
I'll keep playing. Still want to do some testing and benchmarks to make sure it's not under performing. But at least at the user level it seems to react the same.no lag.
I did confirm the clock speed out side of SetCPU using system panel.
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Don't bother using benchmarks to rate a phones performance that is a fatal error there. Benchmarks never effectively rate a phones performance. I just go by how smooth the phone runs and it does it run everything I throw at it. If so gg pz end of story.
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Don't bother using benchmarks to rate a phones performance that is a fatal error there. Benchmarks never effectively rate a phones performance. I just go by how smooth the phone runs and it does it run everything I throw at it. If so gg pz end of story.
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True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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Izeltokatl said:
True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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Well whatever works for you. Just saying Quadrant is a poor tool to use to bench for many reasons which I won't go over. Antutu is nice for SD speed testing I think, oter than that meh. Benches are just for numbers for people to flex their epeens with. They just really don't truly gauge a devices performance.
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Well whatever works for you. Just saying Quadrant is a poor tool to use to bench for many reasons which I won't go over. Antutu is nice for SD speed testing I think, oter than that meh. Benches are just for numbers for people to flex their epeens with. They just really don't truly gauge a devices performance.
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Benchmarks do have a some good uses... while comparing different phone models with benchmarks can be iffy, it can give an overall insight, (things like graphics capabilities with very GPU extensive games) but in the end user experience and daily use are the real judges.
Where benchmarks can be of the most use, is when comparing changes to the same phone model.
E.G. Comparing performance impacts of AOSP vs Sense, overclocking and under-clocking, and de-sensing/bloat removal.
When used for these reasons, you can get a really good feel for how changes are affecting your device overall. Even then, benchmarks are not the be all end all, and user experience is still important. As you may introduce lag or other performance issues that do not show up in benchmarks.
Which temp root method are you using? Mine isn't staying rooted long enough for me to justify using setCPU at all...
The new version and the one that comes with the newest clean tool stays until reboot.
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The new version and the one that comes with the newest clean tool stays until reboot.
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Thx for the info, guess I must still be using the outdated method. I'll run the latest version of Scott's Clean tool and give it a shot.
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So I installed SetCPU today. Been testing the kernels ability to work underclocked at the max of 918mhz. Also set the scaling to conservative. After a days use it's been as good as normal full speed, 1512mhz
The battery lasted throughout the day, compared to my first two days of stock settings with only 6 hours of good use.
I'll keep playing. Still want to do some testing and benchmarks to make sure it's not under performing. But at least at the user level it seems to react the same.no lag.
I did confirm the clock speed out side of SetCPU using system panel.
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Please let us know what settings you use that work for you.
I generally stay temprooted unless I'm going to be away from a charger for a bit and need BT (since you can't turn BT back on after temproot). I wouldn't have SetCPU autostart on boot (since it won't ever be able to get root access immediately after boot).
Meanwhile, I also set it to conservative and will see what that accomplishes.
A kernel needs to support setcpu, stock kernels do not. You need to flash a custom kernel, so you need a development phone or s-off.
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This kernel apparently does work with SetCPU. I've confirmed using other cpu monitoring apps that the clock speed changes are capped.
I own 7 android phones, and have been rooting, overclocking, undervolting each and every single one of them (well one I still cant get rooted). I know when the cpu is under clocked and when it is not. Been doing these tweaks for 4 years now. If you use a tool like System Panel, at stock settings you can see the max cpu around 1500 on our little bad boy. When it peaks out the clock speed is shown. When you under clock it, then check again it won't go beyond the max cpu set in my testing I put a ceiling at 918mhz. System Panel reported full CPU usage (100%) at clock speed 918mhz. Typically with stock kernels, your absolutely right, changes to SetCPU do nothing at all to the real cpu. Which is confirmed, when I reboot and dont have root, if I attempt to use SetCPU and make the changes, System Panel reports 1500mhz (roughly) at full load regardless of what I set it to in SetCPU. If I did this to any of my other phones with stock kernels, you are correct it makes no difference as SystemPanel reports the stock max setting.
No I'm not being mean or aggressive, just saying. =-) And no don't believe me, but test it yourself and confirm or prove me wrong some other way and I admit error. Either way, half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should not do.
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A kernel needs to support setcpu, stock kernels do not. You need to flash a custom kernel, so you need a development phone or s-off.
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No I'm not being mean or aggressive, just saying. =-) And no don't believe me, but test it yourself and confirm or prove me wrong some other way and I admit error. Either way, half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should not do.
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Or I would say, "half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should have always been allowed to do...." Just sayin'.
Are you using the profiles at all? Im interested to know what seems to be working out the best for you.
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True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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In my view, the "benchmarks" would be an OK measurement if you were comparing apples to apples.
I tried running both Linpack and Quadrant on the very recently and dearly departed Incredible right after a fresh reboot and having charged the battery overnight...when the thing should have been at it's freshest.
I got wildly different scores each time I ran it after a reboot...knowing that on both programs the scores would improve the more times you ran the test.
It didn't seem to me that either program was a reliable indicator of what my phone was capable of. I didn't even trust them to tell me whether something I'd done...cleared cache or deleted bloatware...had any real effect.
It simply boils down to how the phone feels. That's not scientific, but it works for me.
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In my view, the "benchmarks" would be an OK measurement if you were comparing apples to apples.
I tried running both Linpack and Quadrant on the very recently and dearly departed Incredible right after a fresh reboot and having charged the battery overnight...when the thing should have been at it's freshest.
I got wildly different scores each time I ran it after a reboot...knowing that on both programs the scores would improve the more times you ran the test.
It didn't seem to me that either program was a reliable indicator of what my phone was capable of. I didn't even trust them to tell me whether something I'd done...cleared cache or deleted bloatware...had any real effect.
It simply boils down to how the phone feels. That's not scientific, but it works for me.
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Linpack and Quadrant are not reliable benchmarks. TBH I don't take any of the benchmarks seriously, they are more for entertainment for me. But to each their own right?
Yeah some of the benchmark apps are a bit unreliable to say the least...
If I use one, I try to use ones that Anandtech uses. I trust them to find the better benchmark tools.
So I overclocked my GSII to 1.6Ghz, and ran benchmarks and it was blazing fast. So what's the point of overclocking other than running benchmarks? I'd rather not have my processor running at 1.6Ghz all the time and draining battery power. I actually prefer underclocking to save power. So my question is - how else can I benefit from overclocking my device?
yo whyd you put this in the dev section? get flame suit on brotha.
miui+siyah = beast
Well its obviously to have your device performance better. Honestly it's not really practical to run higher than 1.2 ghz though.
You also put this in the wrong section. Prepare your anus.
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Well its obviously to have your device performance better. Honestly it's not really practical to run higher than 1.2 ghz though.
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But in what ways other than benchmarks? Am I really going to notice a difference if I kick it up to 1.4 or 1.6Ghz when browsing the web or playing Angry birds or something?
where is the download link and what does it do?
Some serious development going on here.. [\sarcasm\]
OP even if you crank it up to 1.6GHz, unless your isolating that step, your phones not using that clock speed unless your doing sh*t on your phone. It will increase how fast apps or menu's open navagating throughout the phone. Your making the CPU think faster so your phone ends up doing its tasks little and big ...faster
But dude.. Googling the benefits of OC could have giving you an answer ..and FASTER. Lol
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The benefits of overclocking you ask? Let me tell you just a few.
1. For every overclocked phone, one dollar is anonymously donated to poor and starving children, families, and college students across the world [citation needed].
2. Overclocking your phone emits a low frequency gamma wave inhibitor which in some cases, tested by prestigious scientists, has proven to protect you from harmful UV rays from the sun, nuclear fallout, increases neural synapse action in the brain, lowers bad cholesterol AND blood pressure, increases lifespan up to a minimum of three years, and is a natural antimicrobial agent that also interacts with your white blood cells to not only increase output and strength, but also breaks down the DNA rebuilding process by inhibiting protein synthesis in a wide variety of foreign microbes in your body.
3. Overclocking has been used to successfully treat sever depression, obesity, dementia, and AIDS.
4. With an overclocked phone, it's been observed waiting times for and inside elevators is severely decreased.
5. Bad driver? Accident prone? Overclocking has been shown to heighten driver awareness and overall skill.
6. It speeds up your phone on a day to day basis, with some, but not terribly noticeable battery drain [citation needed].
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Overclocking is entertaining. But I'm running the Unnamed rom on my device and have it UNDER clocked to 800mhz. Crazy good battery life and zero lag.
Overclocking is pointless as it runs everything great already. I'm waiting to overclock until my phone is outdated and my contracts about to expire.
While its rather easy to do there really isn't any benefit to overclocking the SGSII. Yes, it'll run a little faster and your Angry Birds might run smoother (really? ), but it'll also mean a little more heat and more battery drain all to accomplish something you really won't be able to get any real advantage from.
another reason to overclock would be bragging rights
DJSLINKARD said:
another reason to overclock would be bragging rights
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Only reason in my opinion lol...
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For this phone, it's pretty much useless. The phone runs great without the faster clock speeds.
On the other hand, if it was a snapdragon processor, you'd need 1.5 GHz just to be marketable next to this phone (and 1.8GHz to perform as well in day to day usage.)
One reason could be... Because we can!
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One reason could be... Because we can!
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haha ... love it!
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MattMJB0188 said:
So I overclocked my GSII to 1.6Ghz, and ran benchmarks and it was blazing fast. So what's the point of overclocking other than running benchmarks? I'd rather not have my processor running at 1.6Ghz all the time and draining battery power. I actually prefer underclocking to save power. So my question is - how else can I benefit from overclocking my device?
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Most people overclock for a smoother/snappier experience. I notice that roughly 20% increase in scrolling/tabbing around. Also you can think of it like this:
1.4ghz will finish tasks faster then 1.2, that way taking less battery. You could also undervolt that 1.4 to 1.2 (1275mV), so your finishing tasks quicker while draining no more then stock.
I switch between 1.4 and 1.0 every other day it seems. 2 months later, still looking for the right one for me. 1.6 should only be for benchmarking imo, epeen.
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1.4ghz will finish tasks faster then 1.2, that way taking less battery. You could also undervolt that 1.4 to 1.2 (1275mV), so your finishing tasks quicker while draining no more then stock..
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It's not that simple.
There are dozens of bottlenecks in these devices (and any other computer), and 9 times out of 10, it's NOT the processor. Persistant storage, RAM, bus speeds, etc - all those things will ensure that a 10% bump in processor speed will NOT give you a 10% decrease in run time for a given typical application. In many cases, you'll see no speed increase at all, as it takes the same amount of time to flush to persistant storage no matter how fast the write cache fills.
I'm not suggesting that a person shouldn't O/C, but don't be surprised when going from 1200MHz to 1400MHz makes no visible difference other than the battery draining slightly quicker.
I know someone is going to respond that the processor will bump back down to a slower speed and therefore it runs at the higher speed for less time, etc. However, unless you have the governor set to poll for usage so often that the governer is driving your clocks up to max, it's not going to poll often enough to make much (if any) difference.
Think of it this way: We both own a mustang, but mine is a V6 at 220HP and yours is a V8 at 300HP. In theory, yours can accel faster and maintain a higher top speed. In reality, neither one of us can go faster than the car in front of us (but you'll burn more gas doing it.) (Of course, you'll have more fun in yours.)
I hope this helps with a very common misconception.
Take care
Gary
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It's not that simple.
There are dozens of bottlenecks in these devices (and any other computer), and 9 times out of 10, it's NOT the processor. Persistant storage, RAM, bus speeds, etc - all those things will ensure that a 10% bump in processor speed will NOT give you a 10% decrease in run time for a given typical application.
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Very true. Also I am guessing in gaming, that OC will drain your battery quite well.
Consider I mostly do Web browsing on my phone (I need a tablet), 1.4 is a much better browser experience imo. Worth the 100mV.
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Think of it this way: We both own a mustang, but mine is a V6 at 220HP and yours is a V8 at 300HP. In theory, yours can accel faster and maintain a higher top speed. In reality, neither one of us can go faster than the car in front of us (but you'll burn more gas doing it.) (Of course, you'll have more fun in yours.)
I hope this helps with a very common misconception.
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Excellent analogy.
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While for now Overclocking is mainly just done for fun im hoping that closer to my upgrade time that i will be overclocking for more actical reasons. That is the way it was for my Captivate. I enjoy trying to push my hardware to its limits. Ive gotten my GSII so far to a stable 1700mhz but i think i can squeak out a little more speed especially with the gpu down clocked a little. I run it at 1400MHZ Though with the gpu forced at 267mhz.
This morning I restarted my prime and im looking at system tuner pro...
All 4 cores are active and stuck on either 475mhz or 1.2mhz!
I didn't change anything...governer is interactive 102-1.6mhz limit....the cores wont turn off or scale down. It would usually scale down to 102mhz and turn off 2 cores...but they're all online...
FAST is good but it's killing my battery =P
Anyone know whats going on?
Pretty sire this is across the board for the most part. This happened after update to ICS or last update. Ive noticed it also but it scales to other frequencies also. Doesn't seem to effect battery too much. Your best bet if you worried about battery is to throw it in power savings mode in Asus quick settings. But no matter what mode its in, it seems to like to stay near maxed out. Maybe Asus adjusted the frequency timing to speed up things in ICS.
apologies
I'm sorry, I didn't see any other posts about this issue.
Thanks for your input
Yeah, I've had the same problem since the ICS update, but still can't find a solution, so I'm waitng for recovery and back to HC.. And, btw, it's killing my battery - it barely holds a whole day since then..
This seems like a plausible explanation for all the reboots people are seeing. With ICS the processor is kept in a more active state which uncovers wafer defects and heats up the SoC until it goes into protection mode.
Some processors handle the load better than others and it seems the spread is veeeery wide. nVidia is probably supplying Asus with parts from all bins, if they even bother to quality check and rate their parts after coming off the production lines.
I would argue that nVidia's thresholds for what is considered a passable Tegra 3 chip are way too low for real world applications.
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This seems like a plausible explanation for all the reboots people are seeing. With ICS the processor is kept in a more active state which uncovers wafer defects and heats up the SoC until it goes into protection mode.
Some processors handle the load better than others and it seems the spread is veeeery wide. nVidia is probably supplying Asus with parts from all bins, if they even bother to quality check and rate their parts after coming off the production lines.
I would argue that nVidia's thresholds for what is considered a passable Tegra 3 chip are way too low for real world applications.
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Maybe. I can run overclocked to 1.6Ghz n still be fine no reboots. Like you said, not all chips exactly the same though. Small variances between all chips.
I'm hoping/assuming ASUS is aware of this, but just in case they're not, has anyone brought this to Gary's attention?
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I'm hoping/assuming ASUS is aware of this, but just in case they're not, has anyone brought this to Gary's attention?
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I'm sure they do know already. Probably amped the frequency timing up so ICS can stay as smooth as it is. It may get adjusted in new update we supposed to get any day now. New update "supposedly" fixes alot of issues.
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Just took a look on system tuner, mine still scales down to 102Mhz. Not all 4 cores on all the time. It does like to stay in the higher range though alot. It all depends on what you doing and what you have running in background also.
mine used to scale down to 102mhz as well...and usually with the 3rd and 4th core offline
Odd that it has changed....
Thanks for all the input...im gonna try and see if manually updating to ICS will make any difference
*edit: I put the update file into the system root but TFP won't prompt/recognize the update...guess it won't make a difference....I'll try backing up then doing a factory reset
I'm seeing something a little different. Mine scales all over the place, except it barely ever hits 1300MHz or 1400MHz, even when set on Performance and gaming/benchmarking. For example, right now, mine only show 3 seconds on 1400MHz and 5 seconds on 1300MHz, out of 13 hours uptime.
I think ASUS and Nvidia have some work left to do in getting the Tegra 3 optimized. I'd really rather mine actually use its fastest stock speeds when in Performance mode.
Overclocking?
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Maybe. I can run overclocked to 1.6Ghz n still be fine no reboots. Like you said, not all chips exactly the same though. Small variances between all chips.
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How did you get to overclock? I rooted mine, but had to return it because of problems. However, I couldn't overclock it either.
What's yur secret?
Update: Did a factory reset and all 4 cores are still online 425mhz-1.2 =(
Seems like my i/o speed just got worse and now there's severe lag...
*sigh* - will just wait for unlocked bootloader
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How did you get to overclock? I rooted mine, but had to return it because of problems. However, I couldn't overclock it either.
What's yur secret?
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Where you been? Lol we've overclocked for a good while now. Head over into Android developement section of prime. Then check out the "Vipercontrol" thread. Very easy to install n setup.
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I'm seeing something a little different. Mine scales all over the place, except it barely ever hits 1300MHz or 1400MHz, even when set on Performance and gaming/benchmarking. For example, right now, mine only show 3 seconds on 1400MHz and 5 seconds on 1300MHz, out of 13 hours uptime.
I think ASUS and Nvidia have some work left to do in getting the Tegra 3 optimized. I'd really rather mine actually use its fastest stock speeds when in Performance mode.
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That's how its supposed to be. It doesn't run at top speed full time..lol your battery wouldn't lastlong at all if it did that. It only hit tops speeds when needed. Then it scales back when not needed anymore.
As far as your timing showing only a few seconds at top speed, all that means is you didn't do anything the prime needed top speeds for.
If you want to run at full speeds all the time I have your solution. If you rooted get System tuner app. Then open app up. Go to CPU tweaks. There it shows you what all 4 cores are running a piece in real time. The governor should be on default interactive mode. All you do it put governor on performance mode. Then raise your minimum speed up to the Max. Now your prime will be running at top speeds all the time. Now beware though, expect battery to drain alot faster.
I did that trick with my overclock n can have all 4 cores maxed out to 1.6Ghz at once. Battery drains faster than Asus performance mode though. As far as speeds go though, I can put my prime in stock powersavings mode, lowest power settings, n everything still moves fast n fluid. Same with heavy duty games also. There's nothing out on Android yet to really need overclocking power yet. PRIME handles anything you throw at it in stock settings. OVERCLOCKING is just for kicks really andbto make things that much faster. Not really needed. Overclocking will be better once bootloader unlocked and we get undervolting paired with overclocking. That way we can get great battery life and more power. Nothing wrong with overclocking though. I'd say if you not worried about battery life or gonna eventually be near a powersource, go for it. Android developement section of Prime. Its called VioerControl Mod. Very easy to install n setup. Works great. Everyone rooted should give it a whirl if you looking for more power or want to push the envelope.
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That's how its supposed to be. It doesn't run at top speed full time..lol your battery wouldn't lastlong at all if it did that. It only hit tops speeds when needed. Then it scales back when not needed anymore.
My mistake. I'd forgotten that I'd rebooted since running the benchmarks and gaming, so my CPU Spy values didn't reflect them. I just ran some benchmarks and 1400MHz now shows 18 seconds while 1300MHz now shows 2:08 minutes.
I would still like to see that as running at 1400MHz throughout the benchmarks, so I stand by my statement that some additional tuning is required.
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what Firmware specifically are you guys on????
I just downloaded system tuner... I'm running ICS, and my tablet has been rock solid (not a single reboot).
CPU0 is running around 200-400MHz, and the other 3 cores are offline (although core 1 comes online for a bit now and then.) And, my battery life is excellent.... same or better than it was with HC.
To clarify, those of you who are having reboots, are you all seeing all cores on and maxed out all the time?
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what Firmware specifically are you guys on????
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9.4.2.11
Its the latest one available on ICS.
On the contrary...ever since my tfp decided to keep all cores online and minimum 425mhz speed, I haven't had any lockups or reboots.
But my battery life sucks and my benchmark scores are Still horrible.
The disk I/0 speed is horrendous (as stated in the bonnie++ benchmark thread)
Hope for an update soon
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try this for better disk read
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1455382
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try this for better disk read
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1455382
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Has this been confirmed to actually work or be better? Were you the one that made that thread with bonnie benchmarks on disk read speeds or something? How much of a difference are the scores after installing the kernel modules in that thread?
First, I KNEW the thread title would get your attention. Second, i hear 95% of you calling BS, and I would too. In fact, I am still not sure what to make of it, and it makes ME think the number I am getting is BS.
Here's the deal. Got my replacement Prime back from repair, and like more than a few (read the RMA thread) I was lucky enough to get a replacement instead of a repair. I had sent in my Prime, originally received on 1/3 (shipped on 12/23... GROUND, from Best Buy, though I had paid for overnight. Serial was: BCOKAS**5153
Sent if for repair mostly for a cosmetic issue, scratches on screen border, but I had among the worst GPS compared to others I have seen, no sats indoors, maybe 3-4 outside, never a lock. After the 1/19 update (the one that we still haven't seen a change-log for) I started getting reasonably crappy GPS, LOL as in 4-6 sats inside, and 9-12 Outside, occasional locks, but nothing usable. My Wifi was decent, actually quite good I would say. Bluetooth did not dropout when streaming to BT headset watching Netflix.
The support folks offered to open the replacement and test it before sending, and I said: **** yeah: Test everything: GPS, Wifi/BT check for stuck pixels, make sure the serial shows, also check for light bleed. I was promised they would do all these things. Then it was overnighted to me.... All in all I felt it was a reasonably GOOD RMA/support/repair experience, especially in light of the horror stories, and stories of general incompetence we have seen.
New unit arrived, looked cosmetically perfect. One spot on back, it was glue or tape adhesive from assembly no doubt. Screen appears perfect, with just the tiniest bit of light bleed. Wifi is decent, not outstanding, but close to what I had. No stuck pixels, have yet to test BT streaming. GPS? I got another dead one. I have yet to see a SINGLE FREAKING SATELLITE, Outdoors or in, though it's cloudy here today, LOL (If it's so bad that clouds kill it, it's pretty ****ed up)
So that was a bummer. Yes, it's true I will probably not use it in the car (though I did use my OG that way once in a while, but I refuse to accept something that does not work. It is not in me to say: I can do without that.... even if I CAN, LOL. They are gonna get me another one, cause I am NOT RMA'ing this and going without it a week again... not for GPS anyway. If the WiFi was borked, it would be a different story.
One additional improvement. The power button on this one works correctly. I never knew how bad mine was, but compared to the 3 TF101's I had, it sucked. You never felt it bottom ot, or any detectable motion al all. It was just stiff and stuck, and I had to just press on it super hard to get any effect from it. The new one is perfect, the spring is stronger than the TF101 switches were, but at least it has a positive motion, with a solid detent, and you can tell when it hits bottom. Man, I can't believe how bad what I had was, and I had fully planned to live with it, LOL!
Okay so now for the weirdness. I am putting the new one through tests today, and among the, I ran Antutu. The numbers I got were nothing all that amazing, but the Processor speed threw me for a loop: 1600 Hz. WTF?????
Serial is C1OKAS**1793 I thought I was hallucinating. This thins is NOT ROOTED. I have NO performance tweaks, and nothing changed other than my 126 installed apps... How weird is this???
The numbers that I got were 10222, and a couple more in that range. This was running in Balanced mode. I switched it to Performance Mode (what used to be "normal" back in the Honeycomb days" ) rebooted, and ran Antutu again. Best number to date is 11089. Like I said, not up to par with folks that have REALLY overclocked, but somewhat better than my original... Anyone want to take a stab at explaining this to me? Maybe I am missing something super obvious?
Attached the Antutu result, and one other thing: The box sticker from a "C" serial number, for those who are curious: Check it: NO GPS LISTED!!!!I forgot to take a picture of my original box before RMA, screwed up there. Took dozens of the tablet to protect myself against claims of "CID" Customer Induced Damage, and forgot the box... grrrr.
GOOD NEWS: At least for the present the BOX LABEL still shows GPS. As many of us have discussed, as long as it SAYS GPS, we can still break chops to get them to fix it (or try to, I suppose) but what is with the question mark? Does anyone know the significance of that? That is kind of weird. I am pleased they left GPS spec on the box, expecially since I now have a completely dead GPS setup. I guess it's time to practice my Vulcan Nerve Pinch, but the few squeezes I gave it so far near the GPS Pogo Pins have been completely useless. Not a SINGLE SATELLITE HAS APPEARED YET.
An the Asus Support guy went on about how the Jan 19th patch was on this one. I said: as long as you see a few sats. send it along, He said (laughably) that it would get GPS performance as good as my TF101 did. Hmm. Well, to do that, it would need to start by getting ANY performance, LOL. Then it would need to work, in the car, with CoPilot live, all the way up the East Coast... Somehow, I don't see it happening. Sorry for the long post, but I was up late last night reading the huge tear down thread, and I had no energy for posting to a dozen separate threads today, on my latest "interesting" mix of features and performance with my new Prime. These feel like hand built devices.. every one is unique, LOL!
Hmm i have a C serial too and my GPS is fine. Little worse than my dhd but fine.
Get something like CPU Spy & see what it shows in the "unused cpu states" list at the bottom.
It's not overclocked at all, since ICS the Prime has 1.5 and 1.6 ghz in the kernel, however, they are both disabled. This is the only reason we currently have over clock scripts, with root we can enable these settings.
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It's not overclocked at all, since ICS the Prime has 1.5 and 1.6 ghz in the kernel, however, they are both disabled. This is the only reason we currently have over clock scripts, with root we can enable these settings.
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Antutu says mine is 1600 too.
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It's not overclocked at all, since ICS the Prime has 1.5 and 1.6 ghz in the kernel, however, they are both disabled. This is the only reason we currently have over clock scripts, with root we can enable these settings.
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This was what I was going to show with the cpu spy app
I just checked my prime, 1.6ghz with the latest update, no modifications.
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Exactly. If you all use cpu spy like lock says you will see it never enters the 1.6 state. The processor has those steps built in but aren't enabled in the firmware
People in here are funny..lmao. we already went thru this when ICS first dropped. All primes were showing 1.6ghz in the stats n benchmarks. But this isn't the case. WE KNOW THIS FOR A FACT. If you take CPU spy app n look it'll show the 1.5 n 1.6Ghz speeds disbled. MEANING YOU ARE NOT OVERCLOCKED. Only real overclock you can have is if your rooted and Running ViperControl mod or using SaturnDe ATP tweaks app or running script manually from directory /system/etc..
I was the first one to assume what all of you are saying also when ICS first came out. Then we dug in n researched further n found out this wasn't the case. It did lead us to a true overclock though since we knew it was in the kernel but just disabled. Me, I'm running a "TRUE" 1.6Ghz overclock using ATP tweaks app. Mines is confirmed through CPU spy. Plus my Antutu scores are well over 13,000. So 10,000 would be bad for an overclock like that if you really had one.
SORRY TO RAIN ON YALL PARADE BUT YOURE NOT OVERCLOCKED. Only through Root n methods I listed would you "Truely" be overclocked. CPU Spy will confirm your false claim. Don't feel bad, we thought so to at first when ICS first came out but quickly realized the real truth.
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People in here are funny..lmao. we already went thru this when ICS first dropped. All primes were showing 1.6ghz in the stats n benchmarks. But this isn't the case. WE KNOW THIS FOR A FACT. If you take CPU spy app n look it'll show the 1.5 n 1.6Ghz speeds disbled. MEANING YOU ARE NOT OVERCLOCKED. Only real overclock you can have is if your rooted and Running ViperControl mod or using SaturnDe ATP tweaks app or running script manually from directory /system/etc..
I was the first one to assume what all of you are saying also when ICS first came out. Then we dug in n researched further n found out this wasn't the case. It did lead us to a true overclock though since we knew it was in the kernel but just disabled. Me, I'm running a "TRUE" 1.6Ghz overclock using ATP tweaks app. Mines is confirmed through CPU spy. Plus my Antutu scores are well over 13,000. So 10,000 would be bad for an overclock like that if you really had one.
SORRY TO RAIN ON YALL PARADE BUT YOURE NOT OVERCLOCKED. Only through Root n methods I listed would you "Truely" be overclocked. CPU Spy will confirm your false claim. Don't feel bad, we thought so to at first when ICS first came out but quickly realized the real truth.
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Uhm... No rain on MY parade. I think you misread my meaning I don't Have any great desire to overclock my ATP. Maybe later, for now I AM interested in the Kernel Module for Background I/O. Cranking up the processor does diddly when the Prime lags, and freezes every so often, especially under any type of background disk activity. 1.4 single. 1.3 ghz Multicore speeds are more than sufficient. People that overclock do so often for the wrong reasons. Why should I be cranking along at 1.6 ghz to browse a news article? If I had ultimate control I would like to control WHEN the additional core kick in, not how fast they tick along, doing a lot of nothing. I did miss your discovery that with ICS, it shows these rates. Right now I would give my right arm to know how, if you do all your posting with the prime, you deal with the cursor misbehavior in text boxes, like when it jumps to the first character position in the box, or insists on jumping to a spot and only the arrow keys will override that. And why is it "mines" do you have multiple Primes?
Edit: Also, I wasn't stating that "11, 089" was a enormous score, if you read I was stating that it was a BETTER score than my returned Prime, but not what I would expect if overclocked. I'm glad your numbers are so impressive. Maybe someday MY Prime will have a Antutu score of over 13,000! That's really fast! And that helps exactly how?
Also, since the processor has those steps built in it technically isn't overclocking to enable the 1.6GHz step. You are only overclocking when you go above that.
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Uhm... No rain on MY parade. I think you misread my meaning I don't Have any great desire to overclock my ATP. Maybe later, for now I AM interested in the Kernel Module for Background I/O. Cranking up the processor does diddly when the Prime lags, and freezes every so often, especially under any type of background disk activity. 1.4 single. 1.3 ghz Multicore speeds are more than sufficient. People that overclock do so often for the wrong reasons. Why should I be cranking along at 1.6 ghz to browse a news article? If I had ultimate control I would like to control WHEN the additional core kick in, not how fast they tick along, doing a lot of nothing. I did miss your discovery that with ICS, it shows these rates. Right now I would give my right arm to know how, if you do all your posting with the prime, you deal with the cursor misbehavior in text boxes, like when it jumps to the first character position in the box, or insists on jumping to a spot and only the arrow keys will override that. And why is it "mines" do you have multiple Primes?
Edit: Also, I wasn't stating that "11, 089" was a enormous score, if you read I was stating that it was a BETTER score than my returned Prime, but not what I would expect if overclocked. I'm glad your numbers are so impressive. Maybe someday MY Prime will have a Antutu score of over 13,000! That's really fast! And that helps exactly how?
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You are correct. Stock speeds are more than sufficient for everyday usage. Overclock just makes everything even more faster n snappier. Web pages load up faster, apps open up faster, etc.. Its not for everyone. But for me its so easy to do and has no ill effects on my tablet. I'm like why not harness the extra power. Its in the kernel anyways and newer tegra3 tablets down the line will have exact same chip but the 1.6Ghz speeds enabled Stock. I do find myself going back to stock speeds alot because I truly appreciate how fast this device already is stock and ill get better battery life on stock. I do get pretty good battery life also on 1.6Ghz overclock.
Also, yes, I DO ALL MY POSTINGs, from the prime. I don't experience the major slowdowns or lags some seem to experience. Mostly only occurred sporadically in stock browser. I used ATP settings to change scheduler from noop(stock) to cfq. It seemed to help for a while but then came across an issue before, where I never had before, where the whole stock browser seemed to just freeze up or stop loading. Before it might freeze n then prompt come up saying to wait or close. After the switch it didn't do any of this. So i switched back to noop I/o scheduler n everything has been running great for me. I mainly just use the ATP tweaks app now for quick access to overclocking. Less steps needed vs. Having to go into terminal emulator and pulling up vipercontrol. With ATP all I do is open up the app n press Turbo2 n I'm overclocked. I did try out the deadline I/o scheduler also but didn't seem to make much of a difference. Actually acted kinda funny at times so i switched back to Noop. As Noop is the best out of all of them. Its just some people switch to other schedulers based on their needs for prime to PC file transfers n such. So its really a preference thing and what you experience with your personal usage and benefit the change makes for you.
AS far as bench scores go, I just said that cuz you mentioned yours n wanted to show another form of proof you weren't overclocked. Now for the cursor jumping around, I know what you mean..lol. but I use thumb keyboard, split mode, n very use to using the arrow keys to correct anything. Yeah the cursor does jump around at times but it still goes where you want most of the time through touching where u want it. Plus copying n pasting is very easy for me now that o got the technique down packed. So all of this is working pretty well for me and not a hassle at all as majority of my post count had been made with my prime alone. Before I got the prime, I was posting from my Ipad n Atrix4g. I can type very fast using thumb keyboard. Love it. Also, I only have one prime. The "mines" must've been a typo.
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Also, since the processor has those steps built in it technically isn't overclocking to enable the 1.6GHz step. You are only overclocking when you go above that.
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Yeah yeah..lmfao but we can't enable it stock. So its still "Technically" considered overclocked since it is higher than allowed out the box. Only if you running a "true" overclock using vipercontrol mod or ATP tweaks.
It's all good.
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You are correct. Stock speeds are more than sufficient for everyday usage. Overclock just makes everything even more faster n snappier. Web pages load up faster, apps open up faster, etc.. Its not for everyone. But for me its so easy to do and has no ill effects on my tablet. I'm like why not harness the extra power. Its in the kernel anyways and newer tegra3 tablets down the line will have exact same chip but the 1.6Ghz speeds enabled Stock. I do find myself going back to stock speeds alot because I truly appreciate how fast this device already is stock and ill get better battery life on stock. I do get pretty good battery life also on 1.6Ghz overclock.
Also, yes, I DO ALL MY POSTINGs, from the prime. I don't experience the major slowdowns or lags some seem to experience. Mostly only occurred sporadically in stock browser. I used ATP settings to change scheduler from noop(stock) to cfq. It seemed to help for a while but then came across an issue before, where I never had before, where the whole stock browser seemed to just freeze up or stop loading. Before it might freeze n then prompt come up saying to wait or close. After the switch it didn't do any of this. So i switched back to noop I/o scheduler n everything has been running great for me. I mainly just use the ATP tweaks app now for quick access to overclocking. Less steps needed vs. Having to go into terminal emulator and pulling up vipercontrol. With ATP all I do is open up the app n press Turbo2 n I'm overclocked. I did try out the deadline I/o scheduler also but didn't seem to make much of a difference. Actually acted kinda funny at times so i switched back to Noop. As Noop is the best out of all of them. Its just some people switch to other schedulers based on their needs for prime to PC file transfers n such. So its really a preference thing and what you experience with your personal usage and benefit the change makes for you.
AS far as bench scores go, I just said that cuz you mentioned yours n wanted to show another form of proof you weren't overclocked. Now for the cursor jumping around, I know what you mean..lol. but I use thumb keyboard, split mode, n very use to using the arrow keys to correct anything. Yeah the cursor does jump around at times but it still goes where you want most of the time through touching where u want it. Plus copying n pasting is very easy for me now that o got the technique down packed. So all of this is working pretty well for me and not a hassle at all as majority of my post count had been made with my prime alone. Before I got the prime, I was posting from my Ipad n Atrix4g. I can type very fast using thumb keyboard. Love it. Also, I only have one prime. The "mines" must've been a typo.
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Yeah yeah..lmfao but we can't enable it stock. So its still "Technically" considered overclocked since it is higher than allowed out the box. Only if you running a "true" overclock using vipercontrol mod or ATP tweaks.
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I am glad that I am not alone with the cursor thing. A bit distracting, but for the most part I use the Hardware Keyboard in the dock when doing any serious typing. Like with my TF101 I like that the dock acts as a "stand" and a cover/case. and at home I tend to do a lot of wen/newsreader browsing, and posting, as you know.
I know you mentioned that battery life seems decent when running at full clock speed (okay, we know it's technically not "overclocked") so I say "full speed to avoid being corrected, LOL! I am curious about battery performance with it running at a true 1.6, and before you answer that it is not bad, can you say for certain, as in have you tested the discharge times with the Turbo2 enabled full time? Or, if you can at least say that it's not too bad, what would you peg the loss to be? 10% or more? I agree that if I had an app to easily toggle it on/off like the build in app that prioritizes processors, I would like to use it at times.. The built in one I think does the following:
Power Saving: Runs all Cores at reduced speed, I think its 600 MHz, 700 MHz when three are active, and 1 GHz when one or two are active
in "Balanced mode" - the cores are capped at 1.2 GHz
and in Performance Mode (used to be normal mod, just to keep it sounding exciting, they changed it to "Performance with ICS, LOL!) a single core runs at 1.4, or all 4 cores can run at full clip of 1.3
Not sure where they came up with these choices, but I will bet it was only after Nvidia ran them every which way, and came to these numbers as the best compromise of power and battery life. I think the Tegra 3 SOC also controls the video brightness and depth on the fly as well. All told a nice implementation. I still see lags occasionally, and games like Riptide GP freeze in a "Stutter Frame" kind of lock, till I exit to home screen, and resume the game, and it's good again.
Anyone else get that?
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I am glad that I am not alone with the cursor thing. A bit distracting, but for the most part I use the Hardware Keyboard in the dock when doing any serious typing. Like with my TF101 I like that the dock acts as a "stand" and a cover/case. and at home I tend to do a lot of wen/newsreader browsing, and posting, as you know.
I know you mentioned that battery life seems decent when running at full clock speed (okay, we know it's technically not "overclocked") so I say "full speed to avoid being corrected, LOL! I am curious about battery performance with it running at a true 1.6, and before you answer that it is not bad, can you say for certain, as in have you tested the discharge times with the Turbo2 enabled full time? Or, if you can at least say that it's not too bad, what would you peg the loss to be? 10% or more? I agree that if I had an app to easily toggle it on/off like the build in app that prioritizes processors, I would like to use it at times.. The built in one I think does the following:
Power Saving: Runs all Cores at reduced speed, I think its 600 MHz, 700 MHz when three are active, and 1 GHz when one or two are active
in "Balanced mode" - the cores are capped at 1.2 GHz
and in Performance Mode (used to be normal mod, just to keep it sounding exciting, they changed it to "Performance with ICS, LOL!) a single core runs at 1.4, or all 4 cores can run at full clip of 1.3
Not sure where they came up with these choices, but I will bet it was only after Nvidia ran them every which way, and came to these numbers as the best compromise of power and battery life. I think the Tegra 3 SOC also controls the video brightness and depth on the fly as well. All told a nice implementation. I still see lags occasionally, and games like Riptide GP freeze in a "Stutter Frame" kind of lock, till I exit to home screen, and resume the game, and it's good again.
Anyone else get that?
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See I don't even have a dock n typed all that with no problem. Thumb keyboard makes typing so easy n fast on the prime. All I use is 2 thumbs to type n can do it very fast with the split keyboard mode.
AS for battery life if you ever ran the built in performance mode full time, then you will know it drains the fastest out of all modes because its running the higher speeds. Now with 1.6Ghz it drains about the same or a lil faster than performance mode. I've noticed lately I've been getting battery life even better than performance mode on my overclock. For the quick implementation of it that's easy. It can't get no easier then this. Check this out..lol. if you rooted, all you have to do is go into prime developement section. Go to ATP tweaks thread. Download and install ATP app into prime. Then open it. Allow superuser permissions. Then just press the Turbo2 tab n bam! Now you St 1.6Ghz overclock. The real one. You can use CPU spy to confirm that 1.6ghz speed is enabled.
hen if you want to disable it, just reboot tablet. Then whenever u want. All u have to do is open up that app n press turbo2 tab. There's a turbo1 also n that's for 1.5Ghz.. There is a step to do a more hardcore overclock to where you can run ALL 4 CORES @1.6GHZ at the same time all the time. Of course this burns up the battery the fastest. I doubt u ready for that yet though... lmfao just take it slow..lol use the regular overclocks. Get ATP tweaks app in developement section.
For the games, I don't have no stutters or freezes even on stock speeds.
Hello I own the Samsung Vibrant for two years now and even though I was a bit reluctant to overclock the phone at first as new phones were coming out in the market and its (Vibrant's) performance deficit was becoming all the more significant (in comparison to newer phones) I "succumbed to the temptation". At first by a little margin (no more than 20% overclock) but eventually -as I was seeing my phone to be capable for it- for even greater ones. There was a time that I was using my phone at 50% over-the-stock clocks.... those were the days
Eventually -it seemed- as if it somehow starting becoming less and less capable holding the clocks so I started lowering my clock thresholds eventually killing the overclock altogether. Mind you the grand total of the time(s) that I had my phone overclocked (up until then) was not that great...
But then ICS came out with all its fancy tools and the "temptation" overcame me again and as if from a miracle I was able to maintain 50% overclocks like the good ole days (1512Mhz to be exact). To be sure -that time around- that that is a stable clock I devised a slew of different test from extensive software decoding, to 3D and CPU rendering. My phone was rock solid. To address the battery issue I bought an extended battery and all was well in "Vibrant-Ville"...
To my dismay though even though my phone seemed rock solid I seemingly starting losing my overclocking capacity (once again) as I migrated into Jelly Bean, so I said to myself "oh no, no, I'm not going through this again, I'd choose a moderate overclock and I'll leave at that". So I disabled Live-OC, custom voltages, hell even deleted NSTools and used the standard 1.2GHz setting, my battery was better, my phone was rock solid once again and thanks to jelly bean my phone was still fast enough...
Two days ago -though- the ghosts of the past reared their ugly head once again, out of the blue my phone lost its stability. Anytime I was trying to do anything remotely complex and it would reboot (BTW I'm using Helly-Bean right now, using the "Smooth" setting, Smartass governor @ 1.2ghz, pretty standard stuff).
I love this phone but I feel it's nearing its death-bed, what's your opinion guys?
I'll prolly remove the oc altogether but I fear it won't be enough, I fear that instability would start encroaching the 1ghz setting as well one of the days and then it would be game over. I want to avoid this fate at all costs, so anything you could recommend I would try, even changing my rom.
Also to those who used overclocks in the long term what was your own experience?
Thanks for your attention
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Sorry for the bump but I take it none of you guys ever have/had any of the problems I'm describing. Hmm, that means that I was unlucky with my piece of hardware it seems... pity :/
More than likely an aging chip is the case. Personally my phone runs smooth at 1GHz, so I don't see the need to unnecessarily overwork the CPU. After reading your original post, one line stuck out to me in particular. You mentioned that you ran the CPU at 150% for a time, and to me that sets off a red flag. Setting the CPU at 1.5GHz is risky and can cause some major wear on the CPU. Not to say I've never overclocked that high, but I usually only set it that high when playing a high graphics game. Even then, 1.5GHz is not recommended if you wish to use your device long-term. Even 1.4GHz is considerably pushing it. Although our devices can handle it, eventually, they're going to tire out. Now some phones may be able to last longer than others, it depends on the amount of iron in the sand used to make the silicon processors or other minuscule things could play a role. Essentially, it's random. No two chips will be exactly identical nor run exactly the same. So in your case, that may be the case. Perhaps your device really is nearing the its end. Considering that your phone was made to last only a few years at stock speeds, you should still be pleased with how long it's lasted. However, it is understandable if you're upset with this. The only thing I can suggest is to not overclock anymore and to try and keep its temperature low. Perhaps try undervolting? But if you want your phone to last, don't overclock (if your phone's processor is already starting to fail at 1.2GHz, when it used to run rock solid at 1.4 or 1.5GHz, then you definitely need to stop overclocking entirely). More than likely you won't hear other Vibrant users discuss similar problems because they've already moved on to new devices, before the long-term effects of high overclocking began to take its toll. But if you do a little research, you'll find other users on other devices having similar problems to what you are having.
Wish you the best in your efforts, and hopefully you'll get a year or two more out of the device... Hopefully someone will come forward with a better recommendation/solution to your problem. Since I pretty much stated what you probably already knew.
I'm not for overclocking, nor have i overclocked my vibrant.
With that being said, i have never had any performance issues, and I'm having difficulty recalling any issues with stability either..
I hope you treat your new phone with more respect..
I'm sure it will live you much longer for it.
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