There've been a fair number of positive results with the Vulcan Nerve Pinch, so this is to quantify the findings.
I can't edit the poll, but please take "permanent" to mean 2 days of regular use. So if a single application works for at least 2 days, then vote this, else vote temporary. If improvement didn't last for 2 days, then indicate how long it did last.
Detail of the issue and of the Vulcan Pinch:
The Prime's three antennas use pressure contacts (pogo pins) that can be marginal, causing weak wifi and/or weak or no GPS. Pressing/pinching on the three locations, or along the Prime's top edge (landscape), can improve reception in many cases. Per the poll so far, about 25%.
See pics in below link to find locations of the antenna contacts,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21847680&postcount=52
Well I just did it about 3 hours ago, so I don't know how "permanent" it is yet.
But, so far so good.
You're holding it wrong
unfortunately, no. my gps still doesn't see jack and wifi still slows to a crawl when there are walls between prime and the router.
Well what do you know, they named a Fix after me.
To what I understood there were two different kind of problems for GPS :
1) Some people had no GPS satellites detections at all.
2) other people had satellites detections with locks but at a low reception level.
I guess this fix is only working for the case number 1. In that case, people are now joining the case number 2.
For people who were already getting a few satellites (case number 2), it will change nothing as the back cover is still the same ...
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Well what do you know, they named a Fix after me.
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For people who were already getting a few satellites (case number 2), it will change nothing as the back cover is still the same ...
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Except maybe make it worse.
I got a gain of 10db on the WiFi, no change to the GPS.
Did not vote.
My Wifi and GPS work fine. I picked up my Prime on Friday from Best Buy. It's the C1 serial number.
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I pickede mine up Saturday from BB (Orlando) and B1 Series with no functional GPS but amazing Wifi. I have even went a little father to beat it againest the steering wheel and see if i could "jar" something to work a little better. With no luck GPS has not improved. Wifi reception is just as good as all my other devices. Does not fall of as quick as some of recorded.
The sad results of this pole show how many of us are willing to squeeze a $500+ tablet.
What is the Vulcan Nerve Pinch?
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What is the Vulcan Nerve Pinch?
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Spock of Star Trek ~ How to render someone unconscious
Pinching didn't help. My GPS was fine until the last update. I ran GPS test before and after the update since the update was to fix GPS. I wanted to see the improvement, but I only got to see how it made my GPS completely unfuctionable. The same exact thing happened to my Dad's Prime. I sure wish Asus would get their **** together.
I tried the vulcan pinch a few days ago but did not affect GPS. I even drove block to block to see if google maps updated my location but no go. I dont think it affected my wifi either but I think my wifi was good to begin with and had thought it was bad as I was basing it on the signal bars.
Got a c1 model from BB last saturday. After ics update and vulcan pinch, Gps Went from zero sat to 11 views with 8 locks indoor. Unfortunately, view/locks are intermitents. WIFI didnt improved and is quite slow but stable. I noticed that i cant switch on/off the gps device from anywhere in the settings since the ics update, but it was still available before the update.(?)
Got my squeezer from Best Buy (serial BC). Wi-fi working fine, 4g LTE is sweet. Gps works only outside, but locks in and out with movement, bad. All the pinching for not. Dock works great. I will keep returning trying different units until Best Buy bars me.
BC model from Comet (UK) wifi works fine but had no GPS signal prior/after ICS update. After the big squeeze the GPS is now working indoors, albeit with weak signals (best result I had was 11 Satellites / 7-9 locks - range of 15-31 SNR). On the road it managed 5-7 satellites with locks dropping in and out.
I'm going to hold off on answering because although I have wifi analyzer and gps test pre and post Squeeze that shows it improved......I also have the similar results from 3 weeks ago or so when my gps and wifi were "fine" and then they went "bad".
So something changed for me even before the Squeeze (no, I didn't drop it ) So I'm hesitant to say if mine has been "fixed" temporarily or more. I think that IF this connection is the culprit then we all might find that our reception might be hit or miss over time. Hell, all I did was reboot a few days ago and I got a lock on a few satellites v. none prior to rebooting.
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It still doesn't say how it applies in our device.
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It's just the original technique that is applied to the Prime, that's all this Vulcan Nerve Pinch is.
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ive noticed i my gps signal constantly drops out while navigating and the only way to get it back, is to hold it in the dash with absolutly nothing blocking it overhead. With my OG evo, i did not have any issues whatsoever, always a strong signal. does anyone else have this problem? im considering replacing it, unless its just a software issue that may be fixed in the next firmware update.
Same issue here.
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Everyone's issue?
I want to love this phone but it seems im going to return it soon one i get it and get the optimus3d.
I do not want problems with any hardware or antenna.
I have some ideas. In /system/etc/gps.conf there are some lines that look like if changed would help. I changed the intermediate accuracy level to 100, and where it said disable.agps.in.wimax I changed that to false. It may also benefit to change the allowance if intermediate position to zero. And old hack we used to use was to add the line QOS_ACCURACY=16, but I think that's the same value hack as the one I just mentioned. Feel free to try these. I don't use gps much, so my modifications may go unnoticed. Ymmv
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I have some ideas. In /system/etc/gps.conf there are some lines that look like if changed would help. I changed the intermediate accuracy level to 100, and where it said disable.agps.in.wimax I changed that to false. It may also benefit to change the allowance if intermediate position to zero. And old hack we used to use was to add the line QOS_ACCURACY=16, but I think that's the same value hack as the one I just mentioned. Feel free to try these. I don't use gps much, so my modifications may go unnoticed. Ymmv
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I would love someone to try this out...i get my evo3d tuesday...if the gps cant be fixed im getting the optimus 3d...i do not like crap hardware. First i only expected to get a **** speaker with **** quality and low volume, but if the gps is also ****, then meh...the o3d doesnt have issueses at all.
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I would love someone to try this out...i get my evo3d tuesday...if the gps cant be fixed im getting the optimus 3d...i do not like crap hardware. First i only expected to get a **** speaker with **** quality and low volume, but if the gps is also ****, then meh...the o3d doesnt have issueses at all.
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Waaahhh. How in the living hell do you know that an UNRELEASED device has "no GPS issues" - for real. Also, have fun with the awesome monthly premium you'll get for AT&T and their awesome network If you can develop a little patience, I would tell you HTC has awesome build quality, and the dev support for this phone is great, so GPS will get better. Maybe not by tuesday, but sometime.
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Waaahhh. How in the living hell do you know that an UNRELEASED device has "no GPS issues" - for real. Also, have fun with the awesome monthly premium you'll get for AT&T and their awesome network If you can develop a little patience, I would tell you HTC has awesome build quality, and the dev support for this phone is great, so GPS will get better. Maybe not by tuesday, but sometime.
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I live in the netherlands where its already released and im getting it tuesday. Your posts doesnt make sense.
You cant improve hardware with software...you can tweak to make it work a bit better...but it doesmt chance the hardware...
well the thing is, i believe the gps hardware is just fine. its probably the same chip they use in other phones. hopefully were just a few tweaks away.
Same exact issue.
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Have had no gps problems here.
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do you use your Google navigation often? If its an issue thats not widespread, then ill probably just take my phone. I just dont feel like going through the hassle of getting a new phone if the refurb is going to have the same exact issues.
I have the same issue. Constantly losing GPS when I didn't have this issue before in my area on an Epic 4G. Sprint TeleNAV and Google NAV do it.
I’m an extremely heavy GPS user. I used my Evo as my GPS every day for work, and now my Evo 3D. In the year that I had the original Evo, not once did I have an issue. And by an extremely heavy user, I use it to locate 20-40 (depending on the day) locations a day, every day.
I bought the Evo 3D on launch day, for the first week or so the GPS worked great, it lost the signal once or twice, but I ignored it. Then one day it kept losing the signal a lot. I’m talking like 5 times in an 8 mile stretch on the same road. It started taking forever to recalculate, there was an extremely noticeable lag (it would say for example, my next action was a left turn 1.3 miles away when I already passed the road I was supposed to turn on to). Not only did the signal drop out while driving, but it would drop out while just being parked, and then it takes forever to require the signal. And my personal favorite when your five miles into a 17 mile long run ON THE SAME road/highway it will just randomly recalculate. What’s up with that? i assume these are the same type of issues everyone is having?
Now I took the phone back to the Sprint Store, I was within 30 days so they swapped it out for a band new one for free. The new phone worked great for about 2 weeks, and the same issues started happening, but a lot less frequently, it was tolerable, but so far this week it has been pure hell. This afternoon I lost count, but I was up to 157 instances (this week alone) where the GPS has lost the signal, rerouted me randomly or incorrectly, failed to properly update me of my next action, or just took forever to acquire the satellite signal. This week has been extremely aggravating, to say the least.
Here is one thing I noticed this afternoon, I’m not sure if this is just a fluke or what. I always keep my phone connected to a car charger when driving. For some reason I unhooked it and was running on battery, the GPS worked perfectly to get me from my last two stops of the day, back to work, a total of about 60 miles worth of driving. Not one drop out, not one bit of lag. Prior to that I couldn't go 5 miles without some type of problem. Tomorrow, I will be in an area I’m sort of familiar with and won’t need the GPS much, but I’m going to map out my stops anyway just see how it behaves on battery, until the battery gets low. That final 60 miles today took me from 100% to 55%.
i made a little test with Endomondo sport tracking application to see how accurate my gps is. I walked the straight street for 0.64 kilometers and this is what it looks like:
http://www.endomondo.com/workouts/ilRz0mnqvJA
I was wondering if that is normal or should it be more accurate? Or can i make it more accurate?
edit: don't mind about the duration, i forgot to turn the app off when i got inside!
My GPS isn't very accurate, but I am in the heart of Hong Kong, so I can't expect it to work well with so much interference. It would detect my exact location in Maps, but it the blue arrow won't lock, and jumps around to as far as two blocks away.
I've tried some gps improvement apps, but they do not work for me.
mine sgs2 does not have very good acuracy. My old htc desire was very acurated compared with sgs2
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i made a little test with Endomondo sport tracking application to see how accurate my gps is. I walked the straight street for 0.64 kilometers and this is what it looks like:
http://www.endomondo.com/workouts/ilRz0mnqvJA
I was wondering if that is normal or should it be more accurate? Or can i make it more accurate?
edit: don't mind about the duration, i forgot to turn the app off when i got inside!
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Wow, sorry but i kinda laugh when i saw the ziggyzag lines. No, the GPS shouldn't be that way, I've used mine several times while driving and it just flows smoothly, like a real GPS device! Once I even had 10 out of 10 satellites locked in a few seconds!
Maybe the GPS in your phone is defective or something, I say exchange your unit for a new one. Hopefully it's still under warranty
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Wow, sorry but i kinda laugh when i saw the ziggyzag lines. No, the GPS shouldn't be that way, I've used mine several times while driving and it just flows smoothly, like a real GPS device! Once I even had 10 out of 10 satellites locked in a few seconds!
Maybe the GPS in your phone is defective or something, I say exchange your unit for a new one. Hopefully it's still under warranty
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You cannot tell that from that log. It depends on the circumstances, e g bad reception due to high buildings can easily cause problems like this.
I suggest jankher does some more tests in others locations.
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You cannot tell that from that log. It depends on the circumstances, e g bad reception due to high buildings can easily cause problems like this.
I suggest jankher does some more tests in others locations.
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Yeah jankhner, do some more tests, probably in some other place. Update us what happens
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Interested in this thread.
I've had my SGS2 for a couple of weeks and have been testing the GPS for accuracy. From my experiences, the accuracy is OK when you are using a 'proper' satnav app (e.g. CoPilot) as the system knows to try and keep the arrow in the middle of the road.
However, one of my hobbies is Geocaching which I need an accurate GPS for and here's where I have had real problems. At a known cache location (i.e. standing exactly on top of it), my SGS2 showed 5 sats locked on, 25m accuracy & 32m to the cache !!! My HTC Wildfire (in my other hand) showed 8 sats locked on, 2m accuracy & 1m to cache.
Time to read more threads and see if this can be improved by software or if I'll have to think about keeping the HTC for caching (which would annoy my 11 year old who now has it) or consider selling the SGS2 and getting a HTC Sensation or Motorola Atrix.
OK So I've been told that the "Official ASUS Thread - Users with BT/WiFi Fallout Issues" is ONLY for BT + WiFi issues.
We need an official thread to address the weak WiFi issues! After tons of threads, posts, complaints and returns, will ASUS ever going to admit there IS an issue and have it fixed? I'm receiving my 3rd Prime this week. I'll continue returning until I get one that works.
***NOTE*** IF YOU THINK YOUR WIFI IS "FINE" PLEASE DO NOT POST ON THIS THREAD. LET US USERS WITH WIFI ISSUES DISCUSS OUR PROBLEMS. THANKS!!!
I agree. Thanks for starting one.
My experience...I pre-ordered the TP as soon as it became available on BB.com. It came in on Jan 3rd. I returned it on Jan 14th. I noticed right away that the WiFi was weak. I checked other wifi devices in my house from the same distances and they were all fine. I downloaded a wifi analyzer app and checked the wifi signal and it was all over the place. It never got in the green and would drop the signal completely ever few minutes or so. So, I downloaded the same app onto my cell phone and the signal was fine. No drops and held steady in the green. All from the same spot in my house. Of course, in my game room right next to my router the signal would be fine.
I then paired my LG bluetooth headset and the signal got even worse. It would lose connection to my router all together.
I decided to return mine. I did alot of research on this problem and have seen ALOT of people with these same problems. But some people have said they have no wifi problems with some of the later serial numbers. So I decided to give it one more shot. I have one on order from BB and will post my experiences with it.
There probably isn't one because weak wifi is subjective to user opinion ans their personal network. So many different factors can influence network performance as no 2 networks are the same. Its alot more complicated to determine if someone truly has weak wifi or if its their network settings or if something else is interfering with signal that's unknown yet.
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There probably isn't one because weak wifi is subjective to user opinion ans their personal network. So many different factors can influence network performance as no 2 networks are the same. Its alot more complicated to determine if someone truly has weak wifi or if its their network settings or if something else is interfering with signal that's unknown yet.
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Well my Prime's WiFi is much weaker compared to two other tablets, Galaxy 10.1 and HTC Flyer.
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Well my Prime's WiFi is much weaker compared to two other tablets, Galaxy 10.1 and HTC Flyer.
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N my prime is on par or better than my Ipad or atrix. So its a wide range of performance that can be easily influenced by other things. Not saying yours doesn't have weak wifi, just making a point. I've extensively tested range n strength n speeds vs. My Ipad n Atrix 4g. Prime pulls fastest speeds of all 3. By a large margin also. Then for range they all about the same. As far as stability, my prime holds the signal very well. That's not to say others aren't experiencing this. Its just that a very controlled test has to be done to specifically pin point if prime in fact has weaker wifi performance. Or if its being caused by something else.
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There probably isn't one because weak wifi is subjective to user opinion ans their personal network. So many different factors can influence network performance as no 2 networks are the same. Its alot more complicated to determine if someone truly has weak wifi or if its their network settings or if something else is interfering with signal that's unknown yet.
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No complication here. Travel with a friend who has an iPad/Samsung/Etc tablet. Verify, like I did, that sometimes you are *not* able to use WiFi at airports, Hotels, Starbucks, etc, like your friend easily did with his tablet.
my wifi is weak. much weaker than galaxy tab 10.1 and original transformer. we need an official thread for this.
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No complication here. Travel with a friend who has an iPad/Samsung/Etc tablet. Verify, like I did, that sometimes you are *not* able to use WiFi at airports, Hotels, Starbucks, etc, like your friend easily did with his tablet.
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That's what I worry about. I've tweaked my router's channels and moved it closer to center of house, outside of a closet. All because of Prime's weak wifi compared to other tablets I have tested it against.
While I have good WiFi now inside my home because of the changes, I worry that when I travel I may get stuck.
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N my prime is on par or better than my Ipad or atrix. So its a wide range of performance that can be easily influenced by other things. Not saying yours doesn't have weak wifi, just making a point. I've extensively tested range n strength n speeds vs. My Ipad n Atrix 4g. Prime pulls fastest speeds of all 3. By a large margin also. Then for range they all about the same. As far as stability, my prime holds the signal very well. That's not to say others aren't experiencing this. Its just that a very controlled test has to be done to specifically pin point if prime in fact has weaker wifi performance. Or if its being caused by something else.
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Speed and signal strength at two completely separate things though. That spotted means nothing when you have no signal. Post screen shots of all three of your devices in the same spot with something that shows the strength of your wifi in dB.
The thing everyone is worried about is when they leave the ideal situation of their own home. This is why I am getting rid of my Acer a500. It constantly gets 25dB less signal strength when it actually gets a signal but when I go other places, I don't usually get signal unless I am close to the router.
So I was going to look at the Prime, but it appears it has the same problem. Most likely due to the aluminum back cover like my Acer.
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I think there has been enough post/articles on this site and many others to say that this is not a subjective issue. It may be an issue that is not affecting every TP made (I hope my next TP is one of those) but to those that have the problems it is a real wifi problem. I just hope Asus would finally admit to it and resolve it. I find it hard to believe that they don't know what the problem is yet. The guy on this site (the should I cut a hole in my TP thread) that took his TP apart found the antenna assy had a faulty PCB.
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There probably isn't one because weak wifi is subjective to user opinion ans their personal network. So many different factors can influence network performance as no 2 networks are the same. Its alot more complicated to determine if someone truly has weak wifi or if its their network settings or if something else is interfering with signal that's unknown yet.
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Weak WiFi is no more subjective than anything else if you're using proper measurement tools. "Bars" mean nothing, and I won't quote "bars" as any evidence. However, tools like Wifi Analyzer and Speedtest.net give objective, comparable numbers. I understand that a number of factors effect WiFi but that's the point -- a weak WiFi will have more problems accommodating these factors. It's not sufficient to say "you're not in the optimal environment" when that environment cannot be controlled outside of one's own house or (sometimes) place of business.
With that introduction....
I'm on my second Prime, and I can verify that WiFi PERFORMANCE has been generally lower on both Primes than my HTC Incredible and my HP laptop. At my house, D-Link 802.11G Channel 6, the phone is usually about 15 to 20% faster on Speedtest.net, and with the laptop it can be 40% faster. Additionally, as many other users report, at further distances from the router the dropoff on the Primes becomes substantial. In the farthest room of my house from the router (one floor down, two rooms away) my phone can pull 3000-4000k on Speedtest and my laptop pulls 7000k+, yet both Primes CONSISTENTLY drop to 1000k or below.
I tested at my brother-in-law's house yesterday during the Super Bowl to see how it would behave on a different network. Linksys router, 802.11G on Channel 11, my phone consistently got 5500-6500k down and my Prime never got above 2500. I was one floor down, one room over from the router.
Oddly, on WiFi Analyzer my Prime gets almost the exact same signal strength as my phone in all environments. That's the only hope I have that this could be a software issue and be fixable with a new firmware.
Again, I understand variance in network environments, but I think it's clear that for a significant number of users in varied environments, the WiFi on the Prime is delivering lower performance than other devices in similar conditions.
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Speed and signal strength at two completely separate things though. That spotted means nothing when you have no signal. Post screen shots of all three of your devices in the same spot with something that shows the strength of your wifi in dB.
The thing everyone is worried about is when they leave the ideal situation of their own home. This is why I am getting rid of my Acer a500. It constantly gets 25dB less signal strength when it actually gets a signal but when I go other places, I don't usually get signal unless I am close to the router.
So I was going to look at the Prime, but it appears it has the same problem. Most likely due to the aluminum back cover like my Acer.
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I have found that signal strength is comparable on my Prime to that of other tablets. (I just checked it again.) But at distances from my router, the Prime gets slower download speeds than the other tablets I've tested it against.
Wifi on my Prime is definitely far worse than on any other device I own.
At home, it actually works perfect, regardless of where I am in the house.
At work it is a whole different ball game. I drop my connection every few minutes, can't connect, etc. I have two different usable wireless networks and my own 4g wireless hotspot.
I can not stay connected to any of them. I assume it is due to the amount of interference floating mixed with the construction of the prime and its firmware.
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I have found that signal strength is comparable on my Prime to that of other tablets. (I just checked it again.) But at distances from my router, the Prime gets slower download speeds than the other tablets I've tested it against.
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You have other tablets in your home that you are comparing it to? When I compare my Acer a500 to my HTC Rezound (phone), my phone gets around -40dB signal strength and the tablet gets -65dB if I am lucky and that is sitting within 15 feet with direct line of sight to my Access Point (that I actually set up because the tablet was so crappy at getting a signal from my primary router).
My house is a pretty open ranch that is only 1450 square feet, so it is not like it is a huge house either (and it is all one floor).
EDIT: Wait a minute, what are you smoking? You have your own thread in this same forum complaining about your Prime being worse than your other two tablets and then you tell me it is comparable????
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EDIT: Wait a minute, what are you smoking? You have your own thread in this same forum complaining about your Prime being worse than your other two tablets and then you tell me it is comparable????
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I understood his post as saying that signal strength is comparable to other devices, but data throughput is lower. This would be consistent with what I've seen on both the Primes I've used.
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You have other tablets in your home that you are comparing it to? When I compare my Acer a500 to my HTC Rezound (phone), my phone gets around -40dB signal strength and the tablet gets -65dB if I am lucky and that is sitting within 15 feet with direct line of sight to my Access Point (that I actually set up because the tablet was so crappy at getting a signal from my primary router).
My house is a pretty open ranch that is only 1450 square feet, so it is not like it is a huge house either (and it is all one floor).
EDIT: Wait a minute, what are you smoking? You have your own thread in this same forum complaining about your Prime being worse than your other two tablets and then you tell me it is comparable????
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I said the WiFi Analyzer SIGNAL STRENGTH is comparable. The Prime's download speed are weak compared to other tablets, especially the Galaxy10.1.
Someone else reported the same thing, comparable WiFi signal strength, but slower Prime WiFi downloads.
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I understood his post as saying that signal strength is comparable to other devices, but data throughput is lower. This would be consistent with what I've seen on both the Primes I've used.
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Look at his thread, "Time to "Downgrade" to TF101?". He clearly states that the signal is weak (and much weaker than the Samsung).
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I said the WiFi Analyzer SIGNAL STRENGTH is comparable. The Prime's download speed are weak compared to other tablets, especially the Galaxy10.1.
Someone else reported the same thing, comparable WiFi signal strength, but slower Prime WiFi downloads.
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Very poor choice of words if that is indeed the case. Weak is the opposite of Strong, you should have said slower if you purely meant the speed. Anyway, post a screenshot of your tablets with wifi analyzer up and in the same spot. I am curious....
I am actually thinking of getting the TF101 as well FWIW.
Ok, this is my first day on this forum. I've been on Transformerforums.com since the Prime launch and I've participated in a number of discussions over there but I decided to participate over here because it looked like the technical quality of the discussions was a little deeper and more informative. Attacking another single user for his choice of words in describing a problem is not helpful and does not forward the discussion of the issue. I think we understood what he was saying and I agree with him. Let's keep this on topic and actually discuss the Prime, not someone language semantics.
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Ok, this is my first day on this forum. I've been on Transformerforums.com since the Prime launch and I've participated in a number of discussions over there but I decided to participate over here because it looked like the technical quality of the discussions was a little deeper and more informative. Attacking another single user for his choice of words in describing a problem is not helpful and does not forward the discussion of the issue. I think we understood what he was saying and I agree with him. Let's keep this on topic and actually discuss the Prime, not someone language semantics.
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I am not attacking by any means and I obviously did not understand what he was saying otherwise I would have not brought it up. I am an engineer so maybe I am more analytical than most so when I read weak, I associate that with strength not speed.
I would still like to see a screen shot of the comparison between other devices. It seems like there are tons of complaints about the signal strength (reported by wifi analyzer) is much lower for the Prime compared to other tablets and that is the issue I am having now with my Acer so I don't want to get in to that situation again.
Too often, people will try and "justify" their purchases when there really is an issue with the product. There has to be a reason the Prime is rated lower than the original transformer when on a spec sheet the Prime blows the original away.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1479664
second post under mod section you'll see tons of testing and modding that should help you understand some of our issues
Now that I've had some more time to test it out, I've found that my WiFi is indeed pretty flawed.
First day, reached decent distances with decent signal. Today, three days after, I seem to get worse results.
This seems to go along with the idea that the pogopins aren't quite making a proper connection with the antenna. However, I do also see degradation in signal strength when changing whether my Prime faces the AP or away. So this goes along with the idea that the backplate is interfering.
I personally believe it's both, plus a third and maybe more issues.
Only time will tell, as I don't see ASUS doing so. We are the beta testers, and I believe we'll generally be the repairmen.
Turned on GPS..
If I stand at the furthest point in my house and do a speed test with GPS disabled I get
34ping 2.30Mb/s down 3.82Mb/s up
I enable GPS and do another speed test..
11ping 17Mb/s down 4.44Mb/s up
Although this has, for me, fixed my Wifi my GPS is non existent, I am yet to get a single satellite with GPS test while in the middle of my garden.
Let me know if enabling the GPS helps with Wifi speeds for any of you
Maybe this is why my WiFi seems OK. I just leave GPS on most of the time. (although I haven't tested my GPS as it is wintry here)
interesting, i will have to give this a try.....thanks for the info sir.
Was really hoping it would work for me since my wifi gets below 5mbps which sucks...
Did multiple test and nothing major changed..
Glad it worked for you..
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You're sure enabling GPS didn't simply make speed test select a more appropriate server?
It would be better if folks tested wifi speeds over their local network, I think.
costcutter said:
Turned on GPS..
If I stand at the furthest point in my house and do a speed test with GPS disabled I get
34ping 2.30Mb/s down 3.82Mb/s up
I enable GPS and do another speed test..
11ping 17Mb/s down 4.44Mb/s up
Although this has, for me, fixed my Wifi my GPS is non existent, I am yet to get a single satellite with GPS test while in the middle of my garden.
Let me know if enabling the GPS helps with Wifi speeds for any of you
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Interesting. Is this with the latest firmware? Play with Wifi Analyzer as well. Check your Wifi -db signal. See what is going on with that.
Odd that just enabling GPS and not enabling would get different results. Maybe something with the latest firmware.
I can't test because my prime is totally modded. External antenna etc.
costcutter said:
Although this has, for me, fixed my Wifi my GPS is non existent, I am yet to get a single satellite with GPS test while in the middle of my garden.
Let me know if enabling the GPS helps with Wifi speeds for any of you
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My GPS works (marginally) . Works better with the GPS fix mentioned in other threads. However, getting a GPS fix from a "cold start" sometimes takes a while. For example, Decided to try it on a short grocery trip. When I finally got the fix (already at the store), it said "2050 sec to first fix"....Once it got that first fix, it worked fine the rest of the way home.....Again with that fix applied....although I marginally see sats without the fix.
Another side note: I happened to notice while it was searching, a little info message appeared that said "Best results are obtained if the unit is horizontal".
But sometimes that first fix can be a bear to get.
Good luck,
Bob
L_Mo said:
You're sure enabling GPS didn't simply make speed test select a more appropriate server?
It would be better if folks tested wifi speeds over their local network, I think.
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Us iPerf to measure speeds.
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I am at starbucks was getting 11Mpbs for the last hour I enabled GPS and sure enough I am at 65Mpbs .......I work out of this starbucks and never connected at 65Mpbs........just saying what I've observed.
agzela said:
I am at starbucks was getting 11Mpbs for the last hour I enabled GPS and sure enough I am at 65Mpbs .......I work out of this starbucks and never connected at 65Mpbs........just saying what I've observed.
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Lol which Starbucks do u go to? I'm lucky if I get 1mbps at any Starbucks in NY and Philly
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Pretty sure he's talking link speed, not actual throughput.
I live next to a Starbucks that is nearly always dead and with me sitting close to the registers, the speeds can hit 2 Mbps max. ****ty ATT internets.
Sorry for the noob question, but how do you enable GPS so that it stays on in other applications?
Moist said:
Sorry for the noob question, but how do you enable GPS so that it stays on in other applications?
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Other than the check boxes in LOCATION Services, there is no other control. When you open an app that can use GPS, you'll see a little icon in the notification bar that says "Searching for GPS"
If the GPS system were totally working, you would never lose the signal...The only time you lose it is if it is marginal.
What is the impact of GPS on battery life, if it does not work and it keeps searching without finding anything?
Battery will be drained very very quickly. I am sure.
Think about it
bimbobo said:
What is the impact of GPS on battery life, if it does not work and it keeps searching without finding anything?
Battery will be drained very very quickly. I am sure.
Think about it
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The GPS will only find your location if an app asks it to do so. So if the GPS icon isn't showing next to the clock the GPS is not in use.
Not sure any of you have noticed... Prime doesn't have a gps.conf file on it... I added it last night and got 8 of 13 locked... from inside... by the window. Check out system/etc/gps.......
One other thing I noticed.. in build.prop my wifi.country = is set to GB even though I bought the transformer in Canada... can someone check and see if they have anything different?
I've always wondered if the Wifi issue was a software problem. My wifi is "okay". The most annoying thing is it randomly completely disconnects from my school's wifi network and then it shows that there is no wifi available. The reason why I think its a software problem is because if I disable and re-enable the wifi it starts working again with me being in the exact same location.
Kind of odd...
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I've always wondered if the Wifi issue was a software problem. My wifi is "okay". The most annoying thing is it randomly completely disconnects from my school's wifi network and then it shows that there is no wifi available. The reason why I think its a software problem is because if I disable and re-enable the wifi it starts working again with me being in the exact same location.
Kind of odd...
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I saw this on previous firmwares, but never on the latest one. It also seemed, in my experience, to be related to the chrome beta. If I brought that up it would immediately stop any data being transferred over wifi and would then lead to a disconnect.
I never did uninstall the chrome beta to see if that fixed it entirely, but updating to the latest firmware did seem to stop the issue.
Suppose I'll hop on the bandwagon and give it a go.
It's hard for me to get any real speed degradation without actually dropping below the connection threshold with these rural speeds, but I'll try.
My wifi works pretty good after some build.prop tweaks, i would suggest that before modding the tf201. Basically, i added net.tcp.buffersize.wifi with some values and net.tcp.buffersize.umts with the same values 4096 ,87380, 256960, 4096, 16384, 256960
Of course you need to be rooted
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Hello everybody from Xda,
I'm looking for a new phone for my mother and I am really interested to know what the GPS is like. If the gps is any good I will join the Xiaomi army.
Why am I so interested in this?
Well my mother her navigation system just died and, I would like to install the tom tom app on her phone, I've got it currently on my oneplus one without internet and it's great. My mom will also have no data plan with her phone so google maps or anything isnt an option for her
So my question to you guys is, does anybody of you have had any ecperience with the gps.
Thanks in advance XDA,
Deameong
I am curious about the same thing. I use GPS without any Internet or even phone signal (normally on airplane mode to save battery). And I would like to know how reliable it is.
Attached a Screenshot, few Seconds (about 30) after switching GPS on. GPS receptions is really good, from my point of view.
cataplines said:
I am curious about the same thing. I use GPS without any Internet or even phone signal (normally on airplane mode to save battery). And I would like to know how reliable it is.
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Just recieved it now,
Using google map and waze, locking on me very fast,
Looks good and stable with great reception of the GPS...
Can you say how much time in seconds need to lock satellites?
Thank You
Thanks alot for the advice guys,
Going to order it tonight!
I've just come back from holiday and I used GPS extensively with the offline Co-pilot app. It worked almost flawlessly both in the car and when cycling. I can't begin to tell you how much better it is than older MTK eqiluipped phones. Lock times varied from four seconds to nearly a minute. One thing I noticed is that it was much faster to lock in Co-pilot when I was connected to the internet. Accuracy was great, though I never went into a big city with lots of high rise buildings.
GPS, Wifi and network signal 2-3 times better than on my Note 4.
GPS is sick, in my room after 2-3 sec.
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Hello,
Runkeeper with someone tried, I hesitate to buy the premium just because of that?
(avec Runkeeper quelqu'un a essayé, j'hésite à acheter le Prime juste à cause de ça?)
I really want to know about the gps as well. I use the gps so much. Now I have the lg g3, I would like to know if this one is around the same as g3.
Thanks
D.
Ill give uadvice gps locking depends onyour connection and area,i use gps in city with locking time vary from 10 -80 sec or more the signal was good but for gps signal its not good so it some time locks slower, this is qqualcomm 400 chipset ,newer version of mediatek might performs better and i have ever try gps with airplane mode one using gps test on aa mountain area and it lock 30 sec or less,the signal came out by it self with no connection so everything depend on your area and your xhipset ,newer chipset performs excellent on gps
I'd like to know more about how the GPS in this phone is faring for you because for me it's an endless horror story. Neither Google Maps nor Endomondo give even acceptable locations and tracking.
And the compass is so bad I wanna puke.
The phone is great in almost every other aspect, but GPS is fairly important for me and I'm starting to regret purchasing this phone. May it be fixed with better ROMs or is it a hardware fault?
Or3 said:
I'd like to know more about how the GPS in this phone is faring for you because for me it's an endless horror story. Neither Google Maps nor Endomondo give even acceptable locations and tracking.
And the compass is so bad I wanna puke.
The phone is great in almost every other aspect, but GPS is fairly important for me and I'm starting to regret purchasing this phone. May it be fixed with better ROMs or is it a hardware fault?
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I used it yesterday for half an hour in inner city traffic. The phone found the GPS signal in a few seconds with data connection, without it takes a minute or two. Navigation itself was worrisome. Went under a bridge and signal was lost for about 2 minutes. Then Google maps always thought I was going inside buildings or streets next to my actual route. Really weird.
Inside my room 2 - 3 seconds lock, the best gps on any of my past smartphones.
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Inside my room 2 - 3 seconds lock, the best gps on any of my past smartphones.
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And what is that information good for since the moment you open Google Maps, Runtastic or something along those lines it doesn't have any accuracy and keeps jumping the whole time?
I'm sick of people sharing screenshots of GPS Test or GPS Status like they're proof of anything when what's really important is real life apps behavior.
This device GPS should be good..
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And what is that information good for since the moment you open Google Maps, Runtastic or something along those lines it doesn't have any accuracy and keeps jumping the whole time?
I'm sick of people sharing screenshots of GPS Test or GPS Status like they're proof of anything when what's really important is real life apps behavior.
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I don't know what you're on about, but GPS Test uses the same API and sensor as any other app. I'm getting the same 5-7 second fix indoors from GPS Test and HERE Maps. Both don't jump around and show my correct position.
Or3 said:
And what is that information good for since the moment you open Google Maps, Runtastic or something along those lines it doesn't have any accuracy and keeps jumping the whole time?
I'm sick of people sharing screenshots of GPS Test or GPS Status like they're proof of anything when what's really important is real life apps behavior.
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Well we use diagnostic tools to know accurately if something is wrong or not, nothing wrong with that. With GPS Status we can know how many sat signal we got, how strong, what is the margin of error, etc.
And i don't have any problem in real life apps and GPS status confirmed that fact.
If you want positive info or help don't start with a negative.
Wheaton's Law - DBAD
China ROM GPS problem
But with china stable rom, the map apps is using Baidu, and if your GPS location is not available, the device will report your network location (wifi/3G), which is in simplified chinese to your requesting apps, that sucks, however, I can't deny the hardware GPS here in RN2 is the best I ever used.
I tried GPS in the city. High accuracy, pretty fast lock and it worked just fine, no problems. Accuracy is usually 3-5m, 17 satellites in use on average. I'm not exactly sure what kind of problems you're facing. However, I can tell you this. A friend has Meizu M1 Note, the GPS was at first very good. But somehow at some point after updating, the accuracy's became horrible, 80m+ and it kept losing connection, IF it managed to establish one. It's most likely not faulty HW, but a misconfigured gps config.
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