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Well...... I was lucky enough to get my hands on "another" Prime today at my local Gamestop, C2 serial which is the newest ive seen. They had only 2 in stock. This is my 3rd Prime btw. My previous was a C1. My C1 worked fairly well aside from the GPS which i got nada. My Prime before the C1 did pick up a few Sats with GPS after about 30 secs, but nothing special. And some reboots here and there of course on all previous serials of mine. I ended up returning my C1 the other night & sold my keyboard dock to a lucky guy on Craigslist.
Well.... It took less than 24hrs to have withdraw . Using my Samsung series 9 ultrabook was just not the same, seemed like... well just a laptop lol. Even though the Prime is not a laptop it just seems to add so much more value for the price in my book. Unless you need it for work then a laptop would prob be a logical choice. Anyway my GF said she even knew id be hunting one down in a few days hahaha. It must be a sickness
So i picked it up today and the cool thing is the ones from GameStop come with about $20 bucks worth of free games! Shadow Gun, Sonic CD, Riptide, Monster Madness, Sleepy Jack and a few others.
So to the good stuff! I tried to let the rush settle and let it stay in the plastic for a few hours. Couldn't resist, ripped it open. First things downloaded were Wifi Anyalyzer, Speed test & GPS test. And i am very very happy so far.
"WIFI"-in my living room is just as good as in my office where the router is. Speed test is showing almost similar results. Compared to before with my others i would get inconsistent speeds & usually half the speed while in my Living Room.
"GPS"- Whoa, now this will require further testing but... It picks up 9-12 Sats in about 10 secs! And always locks onto about 8 of them with really good accuracy. This is tested inside in my living room. Tried this at least 10 times with similar results. Its working almost too good currently, sketchy scratching my head sketchy lol! I will test it in my truck when i go to pick up my GF at 4pm today. I am not one for really caring if the GPS works or not but testing it on the Prime almost seems like a must for some reason. If you are in the group of people who have had two Primes or more lol.
I have a C2 serial as stated. Still says "GPS" on the box and was still shipped with HC. I have not upgraded yet. But man i am happy again. I haven't given up on the Prime yet.
"SCREEN BLEED" As far as screen bleed. Good way to check is in a dark room on the boot screen. It has minor, very minor light peaking through by the bottom. But honestly i think its about as good as its gonna get. Not anything you would notice unless you were looking for it really really hard.
Just to add icing on the cake i went over to my local HHGregg by my mall just to see if they had any keyboard docks for the hell of it. Low and behold they had one! Even though it said sold out online. Got if for $143 bucks too! They also had one Prime in stock. Didn't ask the serial though. So for those of you braves multiple return'ers it might be worth it to give the C2 a shot.
VERY VERY HAPPY TP OWNER " AT THE MOMENT"
Let us know if you have the same results after ICS and all the f/w updates.
Happy to see an example of a TFP operating as advertised.
Will do! I'm going for the gold and gonna update to ICS right away. Soon as i get home after picking my GF up in about a half hour i will do the famous OTA update.
I am gonna test out the GPS as well while in car. Its a bit surreal, even though my other Primes worked fairly well. Never this good, i wasn't expecting the GPS to work but hey i'm not complaining.
Now i am sure once i upgrade to ICS there will be a few hiccups being its software related. But for now ive never been happy since i got my first Prime before i was unaware of the lingering problems on some of them.
I didn't give up!
A side note my other Primes didn't come with all these "Free" games that i was gonna pay for. Double win for me today so far!
my C2XX had no GPS, light bleed, and wifi was working, but not great.
No software freezes, random boots .11 in Europe..
Glad yours working.. Hoping for a replacement soon
I thought I saw a post explaining that ASUS has not changed anything in the manufacturing process as of yet...so the C2 would essentially be the same as the C1; luck of the draw.
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I thought I saw a post explaining that ASUS has not changed anything in the manufacturing process as of yet...so the C2 would essentially be the same as the C1; luck of the draw.
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That's correct. No difference in hardware, yet, between any of the series. BOKAS, C1, C2 all the same.
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Will do! I'm going for the gold and gonna update to ICS right away. Soon as i get home after picking my GF up in about a half hour i will do the famous OTA update.
I am gonna test out the GPS as well while in car. Its a bit surreal, even though my other Primes worked fairly well. Never this good, i wasn't expecting the GPS to work but hey i'm not complaining.
Now i am sure once i upgrade to ICS there will be a few hiccups being its software related. But for now ive never been happy since i got my first Prime before i was unaware of the lingering problems on some of them.
I didn't give up!
A side note my other Primes didn't come with all these "Free" games that i was gonna pay for. Double win for me today so far!
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well assuming yours is working perfectly - please somehow just tell ASUS to make them all like yours I wanted to buy one since november but becuase of these problems I'm just without a tablet as at the time being nothing comes close to a properly working TFP.
Good to hear your C2 is working good. However, some with C2 serials are still reporting problems. I do want to buy another prime. But I think I will wait for C3 serials or longer. Soon as we get more owners with positive feedback from future versions. Of course first thing I would want to do is open one up to see what kind of changes they have made to the hardware.
Are you able to run Sonic CD on your prime? I think I downloaded that game upon first receiving my Prime back in January and I had to cancel the install and refund my money because it took forever to install. I had noticed then the game was getting a lot of low star ratings on the Android market from others experiencing problems with getting the game to work.
Agreed, luck of the draw.
Picked up a C2 from Gamestop on Friday, its my third one. Previous ones had GPS/WiFi issues, and one had screen bleed.
On the new C2 the GPS is working great!!! WiFi is also working great and no screen bleed!
Also agreed that it is luck of the draw. A quick update on the GPS i wasn't able to use it much being i was on the run and my battery was about to die being it was out of the box fresh with only a 5% charge.
But the few minutes i was able to test it in a "moving" vehicle i was getting 2-5 Sats in view, but zero being "in use"
Again this is on the out of the box with no GPS or Wifi OTA. I am doing that now as we speak.
As far as someone asking about the installation of Sonic CD. It is taking alot of time to download for some reason. I currently have it downloading for 5 mins and its only on file 3 of 8 at 28%. "EDIT" I let it finish and it does currently work on my Prime on HC. I will let you know if it does with ICS.
I will let you know how my C2 is after the ICS upgrade.
In the mean time who's got a C3? Kidding lol
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Well...... I was lucky enough to get my hands on "another" Prime today at my local Gamestop, C2 serial which is the newest ive seen. They had only 2 in stock. This is my 3rd Prime btw. My previous was a C1. My C1 worked fairly well aside from the GPS which i got nada. My Prime before the C1 did pick up a few Sats with GPS after about 30 secs, but nothing special. And some reboots here and there of course on all previous serials of mine. I ended up returning my C1 the other night & sold my keyboard dock to a lucky guy on Craigslist.
Well.... It took less than 24hrs to have withdraw . Using my Samsung series 9 ultrabook was just not the same, seemed like... well just a laptop lol. Even though the Prime is not a laptop it just seems to add so much more value for the price in my book. Unless you need it for work then a laptop would prob be a logical choice. Anyway my GF said she even knew id be hunting one down in a few days hahaha. It must be a sickness
So i picked it up today and the cool thing is the ones from GameStop come with about $20 bucks worth of free games! Shadow Gun, Sonic CD, Riptide, Monster Madness, Sleepy Jack and a few others.
So to the good stuff! I tried to let the rush settle and let it stay in the plastic for a few hours. Couldn't resist, ripped it open. First things downloaded were Wifi Anyalyzer, Speed test & GPS test. And i am very very happy so far.
"WIFI"-in my living room is just as good as in my office where the router is. Speed test is showing almost similar results. Compared to before with my others i would get inconsistent speeds & usually half the speed while in my Living Room.
"GPS"- Whoa, now this will require further testing but... It picks up 9-12 Sats in about 10 secs! And always locks onto about 8 of them with really good accuracy. This is tested inside in my living room. Tried this at least 10 times with similar results. Its working almost too good currently, sketchy scratching my head sketchy lol! I will test it in my truck when i go to pick up my GF at 4pm today. I am not one for really caring if the GPS works or not but testing it on the Prime almost seems like a must for some reason. If you are in the group of people who have had two Primes or more lol.
I have a C2 serial as stated. Still says "GPS" on the box and was still shipped with HC. I have not upgraded yet. But man i am happy again. I haven't given up on the Prime yet.
"SCREEN BLEED" As far as screen bleed. Good way to check is in a dark room on the boot screen. It has minor, very minor light peaking through by the bottom. But honestly i think its about as good as its gonna get. Not anything you would notice unless you were looking for it really really hard.
Just to add icing on the cake i went over to my local HHGregg by my mall just to see if they had any keyboard docks for the hell of it. Low and behold they had one! Even though it said sold out online. Got if for $143 bucks too! They also had one Prime in stock. Didn't ask the serial though. So for those of you braves multiple return'ers it might be worth it to give the C2 a shot.
VERY VERY HAPPY TP OWNER " AT THE MOMENT"
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I got my TP (C2 Serial #) from Gamestop last week as well... everything has been working perfectly! Have you upgraded to ICS yet?
I have to think that these serials do not mean a thing honestly. I have only owned one TF Prime...the current one I own right now. It is a C1 serial, and I have never had issues with the wifi and my GPS works pretty solidly outside. Indoors the GPS does not work, but the thing is that neither does my Garmin! I think it is all about where you are located AND what type of dwelling you reside in.
It may just *seem* it is better (aka: placebo effect)
Info about C2OK***
I bought a C2OK*** in New York last week.
It had HC and updated via OTA to .14 (in New York)
Back to Germany WIFI was not working at all !
Flashed DE.11 and WIFI is fine and nearly (or exactly) same as my Galaxy S.
GPS is not working (only sometimes a few birds but no In Use)
WIFI + BT (Youtube + BT headphones) causes dramatic fallouts and finally stop of streaming
(Just as an Info)
Interesting. Watching this for updates on c2s.
So far the C2's have the same hit or miss factor as all of them. Doesn't seem to be anything to write home about.
Mine is crap. Screen not stuck on properly, 5 reboots in 3h, WiFi slower than previous 4 (yes, 4, I'm on the 5th prime now). Lightbleed, which is made worse by the fact that glass moves about. So there you go. Same QA issues as with previous models.
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Doesn't that just mean when it was manufactured? I doubt anything changed.
IMO until supply surpasses demand Asus will never be able to really produce or QA them as well since they are being rushed out the door so quickly.
I agree hit or miss. I have a C2 and must say everything works great so far. This is my second one from gamestop.
Ok, so I bought my Prime on 2/27 from Best Buy. I was very lucky because you can't find these things anywhere where I live and they seem to be sold out online in a lot of places as well. I got even more lucky because it was the only one in stock and was an open box item, so I got it for $50 bucks less.
Issues:
Of course the WiFi seems pretty crap weak, but it works good enough in my house.
I have 1 dead pixel, not really noticeable but still bugs me because I know its there.
Slight bit of screen bleed, but this might be impossible to get away from...
I have until Monday (14 days) to decide if I want to return it or not. I really do like it a lot. I am just questioning whether the Tegra 3 will be strong enough for the long haul and if there will be a fix for the WiFi anytime soon.
What would you do? Hold onto it, because it is a pretty great tablet? Or return it and hold out for a little bit for something better around the corner?
Thanks!
There is always something better round the corner, so if you are not happy with it send it back
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First post nailed it
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There is always something better round the corner, so if you are not happy with it send it back
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Yeah good point. I am just wondering if I bought at the point that the price might drop in a few weeks anyway because something better is coming.
Also, since the screen has just ONE bad pixel, I can't imagine that in the future, if I send it in for a WiFi fix that they would do anything about the screen would they?
mine has 6 bright pixels
the pixels developed lately, and would not go away with pixel fixer either. i am past return date now.
u should try pixel fixer though, to see if it works for u
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Same applies to the Wife...no 14 days policy thougth....
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nunosm said:
Same applies to the Wife...no 14 days policy thougth....
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Yeah, my wife didn't have return window too. Neither I can send her anywhere for warranty repair.
Sent throught the wormhole from my CoinInserted Sensation OG.
In my experience with several primes that the wifi thing is not on all of them. I've had a unit with a weaker wifi than another. My current one is good. I've also seen some with semi working gps (still doesnt work when driving). Also seen some with different variation in screen (warmer vs cooler). Also seen some with more light bleed than others. So if you really like the prime I'd say return it and get another one if you can find one somewhere else.
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In my experience with several primes that the wifi thing is not on all of them. I've had a unit with a weaker wifi than another. My current one is good. I've also seen some with semi working gps (still doesnt work when driving). Also seen some with different variation in screen (warmer vs cooler). Also seen some with more light bleed than others. So if you really like the prime I'd say return it and get another one if you can find one somewhere else.
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Yeah my WiFi definitely doesn't seem as bad as some people are complaining about. And my GPS can actually give my location when I am inside the house, so that is good too. I honestly don't care about the GPS. I will never need it for Navigation or anything, my phone does that just fine. I am mostly concerned about the WiFi (which apparently isn't that bad) and the screen. It seems like Asus has some pretty excellent support after reading some of Gary Key's posts, they should have a WiFi fix in soon and if I voice my concern I am sure that they will help me out. I am really leaning towards keeping it now...
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Yeah good point. I am just wondering if I bought at the point that the price might drop in a few weeks anyway because something better is coming.
Also, since the screen has just ONE bad pixel, I can't imagine that in the future, if I send it in for a WiFi fix that they would do anything about the screen would they?
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I would not expect the prime to drop price anytime in 2012 personally. Asus has already divulged their pricing scheme for the tf300 and infinity and the prime has its correct spot right in the middle. Current prices will hold through holiday 2012 mark my words.
If you like it keep it, if not return and wait for the next thing. There will always be something better coming with tech products. Only way to enjoy them is to choose what you want and jump in on that device and enjoy it unethical until it can no longer do what you obtained it for.
Personally I love my prime and nothing I see coming in 2012 entices me enough to even entertain the thought of selling or replacing it. I am confident it will be more than enough for me for at least a full year and probably 2.
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Ok, so I bought my Prime on 2/27 from Best Buy. I was very lucky because you can't find these things anywhere where I live and they seem to be sold out online in a lot of places as well. I got even more lucky because it was the only one in stock and was an open box item, so I got it for $50 bucks less.
Issues:
Of course the WiFi seems pretty crap weak, but it works good enough in my house.
I have 1 dead pixel, not really noticeable but still bugs me because I know its there.
Slight bit of screen bleed, but this might be impossible to get away from...
I have until Monday (14 days) to decide if I want to return it or not. I really do like it a lot. I am just questioning whether the Tegra 3 will be strong enough for the long haul and if there will be a fix for the WiFi anytime soon.
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With regard to dead pixels, I dunno why it bugs the hell outta some people. Mine has 2 bright pixels at the middle of the screen. But unless the screen is totally dark and the brightness is set to maximum, you cannot see them. In auto brightness mode, you can't see them at all, even on a black screen. Unless you are anal about this or use your prime at a distance of 1 centimeter, it shouldn't be a problem. Perhaps my bright pixel is not as bright as others. I dunno.
As far as WiFi is concerned, I don't care. Yes, speed tests reveal that my WiFi is slower than my phone's or laptop's. But I can download any file just as fast as on my phone/laptop. It is because not all sites offer you blazing fast download speeds. I can download stuff at a steady 1-1.3 MBps speed. Finally, with regard to screen bleed, I probably don't have it.
All in all, it is a very fast tablet. It is very capable and may be faster than iPad 3 (a.k.a. "The New iPad"). Though the new iPad has a quad core GPU, it has a dual core CPU and CPU is what matters on a daily basis... Anyway, I think i went off topic a little here.
Long story short, I don't think you really need to return the tablet. It is a very capable device. Hopefully "Ubuntu for Android" gets released soon on this!
alias747 said:
What would you do? Hold onto it, because it is a pretty great tablet? Or return it and hold out for a little bit for something better around the corner?
Thanks!
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If you do that, you'll have to wait indefinitely. Because, everytime a great tablet (or phone) comes out, there is always a better one coming round the corner...
tegra3 more than strong enough. new Ipad A5x chip is hype n uses exact same CPU as in ipad2. check out other thread for proof. tegra3 CPU is alot more powerful than either ipad2 A5 or ipad2 A5x chip(which only includes a slight Gpu performance increase which is needed for their new display).
I'd say keep it if you satisfied with it. if not, just exchange it.
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With regard to dead pixels, I dunno why it bugs the hell outta some people. Mine has 2 bright pixels at the middle of the screen. But unless the screen is totally dark and the brightness is set to maximum, you cannot see them. In auto brightness mode, you can't see them at all, even on a black screen. Unless you are anal about this or use your prime at a distance of 1 centimeter, it shouldn't be a problem. Perhaps my bright pixel is not as bright as others. I dunno.
As far as WiFi is concerned, I don't care. Yes, speed tests reveal that my WiFi is slower than my phone's or laptop's. But I can download any file just as fast as on my phone/laptop. It is because not all sites offer you blazing fast download speeds. I can download stuff at a steady 1-1.3 MBps speed. Finally, with regard to screen bleed, I probably don't have it.
All in all, it is a very fast tablet. It is very capable and may be faster than iPad 3 (a.k.a. "The New iPad"). Though the new iPad has a quad core GPU, it has a dual core CPU and CPU is what matters on a daily basis... Anyway, I think i went off topic a little here.
Long story short, I don't think you really need to return the tablet. It is a very capable device. Hopefully "Ubuntu for Android" gets released soon on this!
If you do that, you'll have to wait indefinitely. Because, everytime a great tablet (or phone) comes out, there is always a better one coming round the corner...
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Well I think that I am really anal then, because yeah, it does bug me unfortunately. I really do need to get over it because like you said, I know that if I were to show my tablet to 100 people, 99 of them wouldn't even be able to notice it. Mine isn't "bright" as you describe it, its just DEAD. So on an all white screen it stays black. Same with just about every other color. No Pixel fixer applications do anything to help either. As for the screen bleed, it is only mostly visible with a black screen. Its on the right side of the screen and when I push on it a little bit it changes a little. I really wonder what causes that...
Anyway, I have made up my mind that I am going to keep my Prime. I love it and there is no major reason why I should dump it at this point. Glad you all talked me out of it. By the way, I noticed that you are from the X2 forums with the Melvin signature... haha too bad we are stuck that turd of a phone... We had to buy a Transformer to get our fill of ICS! lol
Sort of off topic but not really: Since I did buy this Prime as an open box I just thought about the possibility that someone could have bought this before me, locked the bootloader and then returned it... I REALLY don't want that since I really want my 1 year warranty... Is there a way for me to easily tell if my Prime has been unlocked? Thanks!
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Well I think that I am really anal then, because yeah, it does bug me unfortunately. I really do need to get over it because like you said, I know that if I were to show my tablet to 100 people, 99 of them wouldn't even be able to notice it. Mine isn't "bright" as you describe it, its just DEAD. So on an all white screen it stays black. Same with just about every other color. No Pixel fixer applications do anything to help either. As for the screen bleed, it is only mostly visible with a black screen. Its on the right side of the screen and when I push on it a little bit it changes a little. I really wonder what causes that...
Anyway, I have made up my mind that I am going to keep my Prime. I love it and there is no major reason why I should dump it at this point. Glad you all talked me out of it. By the way, I noticed that you are from the X2 forums with the Melvin signature... haha too bad we are stuck that turd of a phone... We had to buy a Transformer to get our fill of ICS! lol
Sort of off topic but not really: Since I did buy this Prime as an open box I just thought about the possibility that someone could have bought this before me, locked the bootloader and then returned it... I REALLY don't want that since I really want my 1 year warranty... Is there a way for me to easily tell if my Prime has been unlocked? Thanks!
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If you use the Asus bootloader, then it's unlocked, or you can try calling Asus, and giving your Serial number and see if it's in there.
If you have big problem with it, just try to exchange it from where you bought it, or a brick and morter store.
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Well I think that I am really anal then, because yeah, it does bug me unfortunately. I really do need to get over it because like you said, I know that if I were to show my tablet to 100 people, 99 of them wouldn't even be able to notice it. Mine isn't "bright" as you describe it, its just DEAD. So on an all white screen it stays black. Same with just about every other color. No Pixel fixer applications do anything to help either. As for the screen bleed, it is only mostly visible with a black screen. Its on the right side of the screen and when I push on it a little bit it changes a little. I really wonder what causes that...
Anyway, I have made up my mind that I am going to keep my Prime. I love it and there is no major reason why I should dump it at this point. Glad you all talked me out of it. By the way, I noticed that you are from the X2 forums with the Melvin signature... haha too bad we are stuck that turd of a phone... We had to buy a Transformer to get our fill of ICS! lol
Sort of off topic but not really: Since I did buy this Prime as an open box I just thought about the possibility that someone could have bought this before me, locked the bootloader and then returned it... I REALLY don't want that since I really want my 1 year warranty... Is there a way for me to easily tell if my Prime has been unlocked? Thanks!
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I believe you can't re-lock it once it is unlocked. And I believe you can't return it on warranty claims once it is unlocked, unless may be you are lucky. What you can do is return it and buy it at bestbuy and ask for a price match with Micro center's price. I got $53 off my Prime! Bestbuy is rad, and I love the price match thingy.
And yeah, I am from the Droid X2 forums! I didn't buy this for filling the ICS void per se but it is sweet that this has ICS! It is super smooth, though I didn't have much experience with Honeycomb to tell if it is any better than it. Still very sexy stuff!!!
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I believe you can't re-lock it once it is unlocked. And I believe you can't return it on warranty claims once it is unlocked, unless may be you are lucky. What you can do is return it and buy it at bestbuy and ask for a price match with Micro center's price. I got $53 off my Prime! Bestbuy is rad, and I love the price match thingy.
And yeah, I am from the Droid X2 forums! I didn't buy this for filling the ICS void per se but it is sweet that this has ICS! It is super smooth, though I didn't have much experience with Honeycomb to tell if it is any better than it. Still very sexy stuff!!!
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To add on to the BestBuy thing, technically they require a microcenter store within 25 mile of where you live, but some agent doesn't know that.
I saw a pretty decent article the other day about upgrading the iPad but it seemed to apply well to other tablets, etc. it said to upgrade if you found yourself using it at least 10 hrs a week. it's wholly arbitrary, but the idea being, if you're going to spend 10+ hours a week with the Transformer it's worth keeping as your daily driver. It's a piece of tech that has become a part of your daily life.
There will always be something better within about 3 months in the Android tablet space. What I disagree with is that specs mean much outside Tegra 3s better video decoding and screen resolution that is probably going to get a lot better very soon.
First off, I think it's an awesome tablet, nice screen, damn quick, and custom rom running, it's great BUT as we know wifi/gps issues. I'm not jumping ship to the iPad because personally I think i'll probably end drowning than be saved, but let's not turn into ipad vs prime and whatnot.
I pretty much have 1 day left to return the prime to the store and I'm not 100% sure what to do, although I feel like I'll probably end up sticking with it as I'm not entirely convinced the TF700 will be that huge of a difference.
GPS: Nonexistent, couldn't get a lock at all:
Bluetooth: I tried sending some photos from my nexus while streaming pandora on the prime and it seemed ok but when accessing a page on tapatalk it felt like it was slower. I don't have a bluetooth mouse, or headset to test it better.
WiFi
I'm not exactly sure if my tablet is suffering from the WiFi weakness.
Here is the scenario:
I have two ap's at home on 2 different channels. One on first floor and one in basement.
I was pretty much right in the middle of them and I ran WiFi analyzer on both my galaxy nexus and the prime and to my surprise both had very similar dbm and both had very similar speed test results.
My galaxy nexus was averaging at about -80 dbm
My prime was averaging at about -70 dbm or so.....
My laptop was no surprise better.
BUT at work:
I'm using a tenants AP, it's a bit strange. (I work as security and yes they gave me permission and the key to use it)
Galaxy Nexus will average at about -89 dbm and it will have enough WiFi bars showing in blue and i will be able to use the connection and browse around.
Prime will average at about -80 dbm but it will not catch a connection for me to browse, the first and/or second bar will either stay gray or it will just drop the connection completely.
Meanwhile my laptop is fine. There is an occasional drop of connection on both nexus and laptop but I feel like the AP is to blame.
But then why isn't the prime getting a lock enough for me to browse even though dbm is better?
Any ideas? Is this a keeper?
Down the road I'm planning to get a dock for it aswell but not sure any issue would really affect my experience there.
Just return it if you are unsure then if you have regrets you can buy another
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Return it! This thing is just a ticking time bomb, and all Asus does is say hang in there, a fix is coming, meanwhile your 30 days are up in smoke and you have no choice but to keep it.
I wouldn't feel this way if the first Prime I bought didn't have a washed out screen along with all the other defects. Upon contacting Asus they basically told me to return it, so I did. I got a C2O model, champaign color, 64gb. It had gorgeous, vibrant colors, no light bleed, GPS that worked somewhat, wifi that was acceptable but still had the wifi/bluetooth problem.
Eight days later I was at a Chicago Rush game so my daughter could get her Spirit award for cheer. I was sitting in my seat, wiped my screen off because I wanted to record the event and noticed when the light shined on my screen what looked like very fine scratches on the black bezel. Upon further examination I noticed if I rotated my prime the scratches had a rainbow effect. In my head I went OH NO!, I am a jeweler and know what rainbow flash means, stress cracks.
This occurs all the time in gemstones, they get stressed during cutting or mining and the stress can get much worse or break, and thats whats happening to a lot of peoples Primes, while docked. Stress is causing their screens to break, which Asus chalks up to user abuse, BS. I treat my "Toys" with care, I don't have a lot of money to blow on thi stuff so it needs to last. I sold my First gen Ipad a month ago to help pay for this thing.
Good luck in whatever you decide, I know I loved my Prime but, man, I would be pissed at myself for seeing all the warning signs and not taking heed.
I'd return this one. Gary says something is coming in a couple of weeks....repair parts are arriving at ASUS....
I'd give ASUS about a month, first to see what the surprise is, and to give ASUS a chance to get any "changes" into inventory. Then buy your new one.
If you saw nothing truly wrong with your unit just keep it. I've had mines since 12/22 and had no issues at all. One of the first ones. All it took was my 1 purchase to get a great unit. Nothing will be better on Android or comparable till around end of June at the earliest.
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If you saw nothing truly wrong with your unit just keep it. I've had mines since 12/22 and had no issues at all. One of the first ones. All it took was my 1 purchase to get a great unit. Nothing will be better on Android or comparable till around end of June at the earliest.
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I have also had mine since christmas (BCOKAS serial) and honestly.. I have had nothing to complain about. It has gotten wifi everywhere I have wanted it to, the gps is there when I am outside (not that id ever use my tablet for gps), and the screen is b-e-a-utiful and SUPER bright. I bought the keyboard dock to go along with it, and the battery life is outstanding. I can use this baby all day and still have some battery life left when I go to bed.
In the end, though, it comes down to personal preference. ASUS has made a statement that there are repair parts coming... so worst comes to worse you can send it in to them.
Return it.
Either for exchange where hopefully you will get an additional amount of time to play with it and decide, or for cash.
If for cash you may have to wait a while for another to show up if you decide you can't live without it, or you can buy something less stressful.
I have finally decided that without the right software and ability to take handwritten notes properly that I don't care how cool, amazing and sexy the hardware is (and oh boy is it gorgeous hardware, especially with (then without, then with, etc) the keyboard dock. It just doesn't work regarding my use cases and specific needs.
Damn shame.
I can't say I didn't expect these responses. But ill admit it's a rough choice. If asus gets new parts I'm hoping they won't their customers in the dark.
I was quite shocked at the results from wifi range on phone and tablet and I think I'm kind of lucky.
Mine is a C10K serial. I'm not exactly how top notch the wifi is suppose to be so I don't have much to compare to but when comparing to my phone that gets great wifi reception, results are almost identical which simply makes me believe its fine.
If the screen cracks, well I bought warranty for a reason. Ultimate decision will probably be tomorrow morning and ill see how I feel when I pick it up
You're running a custom rom, so you unlocked the bootloader, voided warranty.
Are you sure returning the Prime is actually still an option?
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You're running a custom rom, so you unlocked the bootloader, voided warranty.
Are you sure returning the Prime is actually still an option?
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Let me ask you if they'll know or check :-D
I never noticed a problem with the TFP WiFi when I had one. Granted, I wasn't comparing side by side with another device - I was just using the TFP, and WiFI signal never bothered me.
Totally ignoring the comparison with your Nexus, does the WiFi connection cause you trouble? If so, return it. If not, keep it and enjoy.
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Let me ask you if they'll know or check :-D
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I've heard that the serial number is uploaded to them when you unlock.
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I've heard that the serial number is uploaded to them when you unlock.
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Yea it is, but i registered it, and ended up not liking it later
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Yea it is, but i registered it, and ended up not liking it later
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Not sure what you mean by this. When you unlock, your serial number gets marked in their system and your warranty is forever lost.
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Not sure what you mean by this. When you unlock, your serial number gets marked in their system and your warranty is forever lost.
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The serial number is for that specific tablet. If i return it to the store, and the store accepts. It is no longer my concern as they accepted it in the way it was.
If i decided to get another one, new serial.
If i keep it and it gets damaged somehow, and i get warranty replacement = new serial.
see what i mean?
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The serial number is for that specific tablet. If i return it to the store, and the store accepts. It is no longer my concern as they accepted it in the way it was.
If i decided to get another one, new serial.
If i keep it and it gets damaged somehow, and i get warranty replacement = new serial.
see what i mean?
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Oh yeah. For some reason I was thinking you would be sending it to ASUS. My apologies. Yeah, the store will have no idea.
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Oh yeah. For some reason I was thinking you would be sending it to ASUS. My apologies. Yeah, the store will have no idea.
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Last day tomorrow.....I still don't know, was on hold for 30 minutes with asus and nobody ever answered, will try again tomorrow.
I finally got one on number 6 that gets good WiFi I'm not letting this go but Bluetooth does drop WiFi down from 18mb/s same room as router Bluetooth takes it down to 3-4mb/s. So I go from 18mb/s down to 3 or 4mb/s with Bluetooth. I don't use Bluetooth that much though.
TITLE SAYS IT ALL
let us keep warranty and unlock the prime with flash recovery such as NVFlash to repair to stock, look @Acer they are doing that for their customers out of the box with a510. Why can't we get same sevices after all we have been through. It would be a nice gesture.
Thanks for dongle but really doesn't make up for built in gps, the slick looking Prime aint so slick when someone asks " whats that thing on your tablet".
PLUS FIX BROWSER WOULD BE NICE, and in my situation after .21 WiFi is killing my battery, dont know why. My settings are the same as before update.
AN UPGRADE PATH TO THE 700 WOULD BE NICE. Considering people are getting pretty much the same device we have with the (300 Pad) and for much less. Most Primes dont even operate as they are suppose to yet, there are still some issues, and Asus releases a lower end tablet that so far has had nothing but good feedback with no issues. Take care of the ORIGINAL PRIME OWNERS.
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"AN UPGRADE PATH TO THE 700 WOULD BE NICE. Considering people are getting pretty much the same device we have with the (300 Pad) and for much less. Most Primes dont even operate as they are suppose to yet, there are still some issues, and Asus releases a lower end tablet that so far has had nothing but good feedback with no issues. Take care of the ORIGINAL PRIME OWNERS".[/QUOTE]
That is Correct. I just picked up a tf300t lastnight at best buy. I was originally going to the store to get the tf201 but to my surprise they handed me a tf300t. I said wtf?... this is not a PRIME. He said it's the latest and greatest. Well after getting home and setting it up with (NO PROBLEMS) at all it ran pretty nice and smooth. The gps took about 2-3 to get it's first fix "indoors" I should add but it went well. The next test was wifi and it to was no problem. pretty soon after came an ota update but no problems. I went outside to test wifi and video streaming 100+ feet from wifi source "deep in my brick house" kept up nicely. a few gliches with video pausing but I fixed that with a mobo video player from the Market... errrr Play Store. Battery doest last 10 hours either... maybe 7 hours after 2 full charges of 3-4= hours each. I only had this 24 hours roughly and am somewhat impressed... <--Hard to Impress. Other than the slightly lower spec's than the tf201 it's solid so far with no lock up's. Am dieing to test the TF700 thou with really, really really impressive... OK I'm Impressed nice spec's.
P.S. One problem. A video glitch running Battery Snap, the video started stuttering and hard to back out. eventually did and a reboot fixed that.
As if ASUS would actually listen to you.
"Insignificant worms, I've already got your money. Scurry away out of my sight"
-ASUS
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As if ASUS would actually listen to you.
"Insignificant worms, I've already got your money. Scurry away out of my sight"
-ASUS
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Right, thats why I will be making a better decision next time. I really like the prime when it runs like it is suppose to.
I wont be buying the 700, why really its a tegra3 device, I already have a tegra3 now. My decision will be when next years Asus comes out. It will be hard to give them my money again. If they dont do right I will Probably be going back to Sammy tabs, yeah they dont update as much but they dont have to, my Samsung GTab 10.1 ran flawless for 9 months. It just got outdated when tegra3 came out.
+1. i will never buy any Asus device ever again. From them sweeping the GPS under the rug and giving us a half ass dongle that wont work with the keyboard dock... Dont get me started on the poor wifi... I travel a lot and i can never get any reception on this Prime...but i also travel with an iPad and that has no issue connecting to those same networks. I love andriod but some of these manufactures need to do better QC'ing before they release to the public.
+1 to the better unlocking and nvflash
i would love to unlock my device, but don't want to loose ALL warranty.. especially with no nvflash
wifi, i have managed to live with after going out and purchasing 2 new routers to give decent wifi signal all around the house
it was a little disappointing though, as my old and very cheap advent vega tablet was able to stream videos anywhere in the house without issue when i only had a single router
Having our device fully unlocked would be a cool thing.
But first they should get all the software issues straightened out. I thought asus is good with updates and so far there were quite a few updates but they didnt fix the issues or fixed one but introduced another.
I'm perfectly happy with my prime its all about software now and if they chose not to make it fully unlockable i expect PERFECT software. The easier way of course would be to let the community make the perfect roms by just open everything up...
Unlocked boot loader would be a great way of doing justice to their buyers, the reason we choose android is freedom, it sucks when it is taken away.
grant us nvflash and warranty and im a happy little boy
never going to happen. ill choose wiser next time i spend $650.
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Sort out these thread titles. This is nothing of value to us who have the transformer prime, it is just the opinion of another member.
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benefit14snake said:
never going to happen. ill choose wiser next time i spend $650.
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+1
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and same here.
Asus, my nuts. Do the math.
i will never buy an asus product again if things dont get worked out soon.
Totally agree. In had the tf101 and LOVED IT. I upgraded to the prime and still love it. But Asus, you need to clean up your act. Take note from manufactures like HTC. They fully unlock boot loaders and only partially void your warranty. After all the issues your "RIGOROUS" tests failed to catch, at least give us a fully unlocked boot loader with nv flash. That is not too much to ask, especially since you already voided are warranties.
I already decided to move on and away from Asus products. I have my Acer A510 that was cheaper and everything works on it flawlessly, and I had it rooted on the day it arrived from Amazon. My Prime now just sits around collecting dust till one of my kids decides to pick it up to play some of the Nintendo games on it, cause it's mainly used by my kids to play games on it now.
I'm just trying to look out for the Prime owners here I think we all deserve at least to be able to customize our device without losing our warranty. I don't think the original post was out of line, to be honest. We have been through the mud with this unit. Some people are happy they have Primes but they probably don't have any issues with it. I can see why they are happy on the other hand some of us have had issue from day one, and still have issues that aren't fixed, such as the ones stated in original post. I can say Mine isn't as bad as some on here its probably 90% operational but after giving you, Asus $650 of my money it should be 100% operational after 5 or 6 months IMO.
Thats All.
I already decided to move on and away from Asus products. I have my Acer A510 that was cheaper and everything works on it flawlessly, and I had it rooted on the day it arrived from Amazon. My Prime now just sits around collecting dust till one of my kids decides to pick it up to play some of the Nintendo games on it, cause it's mainly used by my kids to play games on it now.
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I thought about it but don't see a reason to buy 2 Tegra3 tablets, my decision will be different when Tegra4 or the next Mali from Sammy comes out. I like the Prime if they would just get it together, damn its been what 5 or 6 months. Give us something to show you understand the pains we went through with this unit. The GPS was a good gesture but it just doesn't fix all the wrongs and everything that we have had to deal with for a half year now.
Did someone even PM the man about this thread?
I would also like a fully unlocked bootloader, nvflash (which is getting near, it seems process of releasing nvflash is getting into negotiations, check one of the official asus threads by him), and access to hardware warranty. If nvflash is given to us with full permissions, and our bootloader is fully unlocked, i would definately feel obliged to congratulate asus despite being a company that puts us all through with a device that works fully for some, while others taste bad rma service and faulty design related issues (noticed a few days that my tablet is becoming bent from being connected to the dock, the aluminium back cover which is pretty but it seems that wifi is weaker because of that as well...) - i would enjoy my device much more.
i would even be fine if they removed tablets back cover and replaced it with other material, painted in the same color than the rest, to have stronger wifi. my tfp doesn't have "gps" written on the case, so i couldn't complain about that, even though i read in the device's spec sheet that it had gps when i searched about it. i almost don't use it, i'm pretty much about 2 locations right now: work/home.
i could go out, have this one rma'ed, buy another tablet like acer latest, once this one comes back evaluate if i should sell it, depending on factors described above. but i don't want to. i want to keep this, as it is a good machine, and with bootloader fully unlocked+nvflash+dualboot native linux/android, it would be sweet to have powerful wifi.
edit: and.. one other thing: no software is perfect, i'm afraid to disapoint you. it can always be improved.
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This is, without doubt, the most failed product I've ever bought. I have bought many unnecessary and failed products, and painfully regretted them all, but none as much as the Prime. I bought it because all the hype around it lead me to believe it would be a good tablet. How deceived I was. Poor wifi connection, no working gps without external dongle, slowdown to almost freeze when installing something from Google Play, etc.
Many times have I wanted to throw it in a brick wall, but it cost 750 dollars and it would pain me even more to lose all that instantly. I can't sell it because no one wants it now when the bootloader's unlocked (meaning no support etc, from already useless Asus) and I don't live in the US so I can't ebay it. I should have just waited until the 32GB 3G Nexus 7, or a Nexus 10, but instead I foolishly bought this sad piece of metal. I have to admit I found a lot more usability in it after upgrading to JB and I was ecstatic for a moment, well, until I installed an app from the Play Store..
So that's it, basically. I'm stuck with a pathetic piece of metal and it's no value in selling it and not worth the energy. I smacked Hairy Bean in it but it's just polishing a turd, really..
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This is, without doubt, the most failed product I've ever bought. I have bought many unnecessary and failed products, and painfully regretted them all, but none as much as the Prime. I bought it because all the hype around it lead me to believe it would be a good tablet. How deceived I was. Poor wifi connection, no working gps without external dongle, slowdown to almost freeze when installing something from Google Play, etc.
Many times have I wanted to throw it in a brick wall, but it cost 750 dollars and it would pain me even more to lose all that instantly. I can't sell it because no one wants it now when the bootloader's unlocked (meaning no support etc, from already useless Asus) and I don't live in the US so I can't ebay it. I should have just waited until the 32GB 3G Nexus 7, or a Nexus 10, but instead I foolishly bought this sad piece of metal. I have to admit I found a lot more usability in it after upgrading to JB and I was ecstatic for a moment, well, until I installed an app from the Play Store..
So that's it, basically. I'm stuck with a pathetic piece of metal and it's no value in selling it and not worth the energy. I smacked Hairy Bean in it but it's just polishing a turd, really..
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You are using hb1.51 with a clemsyn overclocked kernel and still have play store lag?
agreed. Owell, you live and you learn, screw asus.
Yes, I have lag everywhere. When browsing Play, when installing apps, etc. The ONLY reason (read: ONLY) I'm keeping this disgraceful excuse of a tablet is because it would pain me even more to lose all that money.
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Yes, I have lag everywhere. When browsing Play, when installing apps, etc. The ONLY reason (read: ONLY) I'm keeping this disgraceful excuse of a tablet is because it would pain me even more to lose all that money.
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I am only asking based on an honest interest in the problem. There should be no lag in any of those areas using the rom kernel combination I mentioned earlier. Your post otherwise should have come at the end of one of the many complaint threads.
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This is, without doubt, the most failed product I've ever bought. I have bought many unnecessary and failed products, and painfully regretted them all, but none as much as the Prime. I bought it because all the hype around it lead me to believe it would be a good tablet. How deceived I was. Poor wifi connection, no working gps without external dongle, slowdown to almost freeze when installing something from Google Play, etc.
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And... what exactly do you expect to accomplish by complaining about it here? Should we all pass the hat so that we can fund a replacement for you?
With all of its warts, why on earth didn't you return it when you had the chance? All of your gripes are problems that you should have seen from the start. Why did you hang on to it? Did you think it'd get better.
Look, Asus has horrible post-sale support. For that reason alone, I'll never buy another Asus product.
Pretty sure you can still sell it. Part out the dock and you might get $250-300 for both. Which would put you almost $100 within a Nexus10.
Seeing these woot offs and deals for this tablet fly at $200-250 means a lot of people understand the value of a $200 10" tablet. Most of them are probably like me looking to unlock and load up a different ROM anyway. Give it a shot on ebay or CList and get something you really want.
Androwook 1.51 absolutely flies with this thing on mine, sorry to hear you have issues. Got a 32GB preowned one for $200 few weeks ago and besides the wifi drain it's what I expected out of $200. Definitely not $500+ tablet though
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I am only asking based on an honest interest in the problem. There should be no lag in any of those areas using the rom kernel combination I mentioned earlier. Your post otherwise should have come at the end of one of the many complaint threads.
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Pfft.. Like a kernel can magically solve a ****ty io performance because of crappy nand memory.
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And... what exactly do you expect to accomplish by complaining about it here? Should we all pass the hat so that we can fund a replacement for you?
With all of its warts, why on earth didn't you return it when you had the chance? All of your gripes are problems that you should have seen from the start. Why did you hang on to it? Did you think it'd get better.
Look, Asus has horrible post-sale support. For that reason alone, I'll never buy another Asus product.
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Because when I first got it I foolishly thought it was a software issue hence why I unlocked the bootloader and flashed another rom.
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Pretty sure you can still sell it. Part out the dock and you might get $250-300 for both. Which would put you almost $100 within a Nexus10.
Seeing these woot offs and deals for this tablet fly at $200-250 means a lot of people understand the value of a $200 10" tablet. Most of them are probably like me looking to unlock and load up a different ROM anyway. Give it a shot on ebay or CList and get something you really want.
Androwook 1.51 absolutely flies with this thing on mine, sorry to hear you have issues. Got a 32GB preowned one for $200 few weeks ago and besides the wifi drain it's what I expected out of $200. Definitely not $500+ tablet though
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I only have the tab and not the dock. Who the hell wants it now? I tried selling it but since the b/l is unlocked not a single soul was interested. That, or the fact that the prime is goddamn useless.
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This is, without doubt, the most failed product I've ever bought. I have bought many unnecessary and failed products, and painfully regretted them all, but none as much as the Prime. I bought it because all the hype around it lead me to believe it would be a good tablet. How deceived I was. Poor wifi connection, no working gps without external dongle, slowdown to almost freeze when installing something from Google Play, etc.
Many times have I wanted to throw it in a brick wall, but it cost 750 dollars and it would pain me even more to lose all that instantly. I can't sell it because no one wants it now when the bootloader's unlocked (meaning no support etc, from already useless Asus) and I don't live in the US so I can't ebay it. I should have just waited until the 32GB 3G Nexus 7, or a Nexus 10, but instead I foolishly bought this sad piece of metal. I have to admit I found a lot more usability in it after upgrading to JB and I was ecstatic for a moment, well, until I installed an app from the Play Store..
So that's it, basically. I'm stuck with a pathetic piece of metal and it's no value in selling it and not worth the energy. I smacked Hairy Bean in it but it's just polishing a turd, really..
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I feel your pain. Here's my story to add to the mix:
My daughter got a TF201 for Christmas last year.. but it didn't arrive until sometime in January 2012 due to availability. We've had a long, hard journey with Asus over the past 11 months and it has apparently come to the point where Asus is saying it is what it is and I'm saying it's a defective product.
Apparently, my only recourse is to take Asus to small claims court.. and I have no idea if that would be productive or not.
The original TF201 with keyboard was received in Jan. 2012... it was updated to ICS and the audio quit working. No sound, no mic, no nothing. Dear Daughter doesn't want to give up her new device so it takes a month or so before she'll save everything and let me return it for repair. Also, at some point we realize the GPS is not working so we get the dongle (which never worked or fixed the GPS problem).
The repair takes care of the audio problem (new motherboard). However, less than 90 days later we get the rear camera green line issue. Again, DD doesn't want to let it go right away, but eventually saves her stuff and off it goes. The camera issue is resolved and we get it back in a reasonable time frame.. 2 or 3 weeks.
Less than 90 days later, the rear camera craps out again. This time I tell Asus it's time to pony up to the plate and just get us a new unit off the line, and not some refurb. We send in the original unit and this time get back a different unit... a refurb.
Right off the bat, it randomly reboots and does weird stuff. Plus, the wifi range is much shorter than the original unit. Asus has us do a factory data reset (which takes time since DD has again loaded her pics and music... so it has to be saved off again). Eventually, we do the FDR and the reboots dramatically improve, but are not completely eliminated. However, wifi range still sucks and of course, the GPS doesn't work.
Now Asus tells us the wifi and GPS fix is to use the dongle (which we can't even find now). But you can't use the dongle when the keyboard is docked... which is how the TF201 is used 99% of the time. So how it that a fix? And I'm being told by Asus CS that the reboot may be when the device needs to update itself. Really? Without asking first? I don't think so.
Asus refuses to step up to the plate and do the right thing. Personally? I'm done with Asus. I've been buying their motherboards, media drives, and laptops for years. But they have found a way to royally pi$$ off a (former) loyal customer.
I'm considering my options at this point.
I hope you guys have better luck with your Asus devices than we have had. DD wishes now she'd gone with the iPad instead. I have to agree.
This story (like all the others before) has touched my heart and I fully sympathize. I am so inconceivably sorry you bought this tablet. I wish there was something I could personally do for you. If there's anything, and I mean anything I can do to ease your pain, please just say.
David
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This story (like all the others before) has touched my heart and I fully sympathize. I am so inconceivably sorry you bought this tablet. I wish there was something I could personally do for you. If there's anything, and I mean anything I can do to ease your pain, please just say.
David
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Ah David. You are too kind. No, really.
If I possessed the slightest knowledge and interest of messing with the insides of electrical hardware, I would open this tab and de-solder the nand chip and solder on a fully working one that would play nicely with the rest of the internals, and I would change the metal backing for a better one that doesn't kill off the wifi and gps signals.
But, it would probably be more worth it to buy a nexus 7 3GB 3G (although, made by ASUS :/), but there's one slight issue. Money.
At least your Prime could be unlocked. I might be stuck with lack of root forever.
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I dont know I still love my prime+dock. It does all i need it to. Yeah there is the occasional stutter when i update an app - but this is certainly not the end of the world for me^^ The screen is awesome and there is nothing better for pdf viewing/annotation and note taking at university... Still makes every ipad/laptop user jaelous.
SD card takes all the series/movies it needs to and battery life is very good. Since JB i'm fully satisfied with what i expect from a tablet. Still got my root without that it would look different i guess. Of course this is a personal view but for me - this tablet is completely fine and worth the money i spent on it.
We got enough whining threads...
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