These forums are getting really annoying. Flaming just doesn't stop, WTF? People, is it lack of sex, self reasoning for spending 500 bucks/pounds or else that makes you flame people who are not happy with their prime?
Don't get me wrong, i'm a massive android fan.But some of you are just a plain disgrace to androi fan base. What's wrong with person saying that he didn't like Prime? This and that didn't work for him. So what, he needs to be flamed for that? NO. Someone else might read his post and realise that this is exactly the info he was looking for. So in the end, even negative experience helps someone out in the long run.
I'd like to see a trend where people urge other people not to flame, instead of adding fuel to it. Do you think we can do it?
True if you have a problem or need help then this is the XDA developers forum, however its not the complaining and frustration forum. If one is unhappy with his product let him take it to the manufacturer or dealer and write his review to a review forum.
Blackwidowman said:
True if you have a problem or need help then this is the XDA developers forum, however its not the complaining and frustration forum. If one is unhappy with his product let him take it to the manufacturer or dealer and write his review to a review forum.
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So, you are saying that if on is happy with his prime, he's allowed to post his review here, but if he is not happy - getta hell out of here?
Nope Im saying this is a developers forum! That you like or hate your product doesnt help in developing.
No, this is general forum. This is where people share news, opinions, ideas etc...
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Well you got me! I was pretty sure it said XDA developers on the top of the page me bad.
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Well you got me! I was pretty sure it said XDA developers on the top of the page me bad.
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+1 for reading comprehension, -2 for actually understanding.
There is a Developer subforum for EVERY device with an XDA forum.
People come to General for a given device to help make a decision to buy or not. Also to look for solutions to known issues, or to post a new issue and get help.
Don't get me wrong, it's great to be enthused about a device. It's great to happy with your device.
It is, however, idiotic (or at best immature) to stick your fingers in your ears and go "Lalalalala, can't hear you" when there are obviously a plethora of issues with a given device, or an advertised feature that doesn't work up to standard specs.
Point taken, IMO its not constructive, I guess then there is no issues, lets the complaining, flamming and bad mouthing go on, it is the General subforum
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Point taken, IMO its not constructive, I guess then there is no issues, lets the complaining, flamming and bad mouthing go on, it is the General subforum
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Mindless, rampant flaming is as pointless and non-constructive as mindless, rampant fanboi-ism.
Many of us are on XDA because we want to get the most out of our gadgets.
Others just to have high tech toys to play with.
The difference in mindset between these two types of people is what causes the conflicts.
Understanding (note I do not say "tolerance" <spits to clear bad taste from mouth>) each other's mindset will go a long way towards preventing conflicts.
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Point taken, IMO its not constructive, I guess then there is no issues, lets the complaining, flamming and bad mouthing go on, it is the General subforum
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Weird, the whole point of my post was to make people think about it and stop all the flaming and bad mouthing. Trolls are trolls, and they have to be stopped, but there are a lot of post with constructive criticism, and guys posting them deserve to be able voice their opinion without flaming and "cool story bro" bull****.
IMHO, only IMHO but i hope you guys stop for a second and think.
Key word is FANBOYISM. Some of Android fans are just as bad if not worse than iOS fanboys.
There should be one complaint thread. I think the whole issue is being brought about because of the repeats of the same complaints about the tablet. Every bad review says the exact same thing.
I do agree with you though. The flaming needs to stop.
Sure, Prime has its problems.
But I compare Prime with Xoom, SGT 10.1 that I've used so does Prime better.
Do you see that these users are complaining and creates threads to the right and left? No.
both Xoom, SGT 10.1 has been really buggy and has not worked completely 100
All products with android have problems and bugs.
When I buy an android product I am aware that there will be bugs and that sometimes you will feel like a beta tester.
People must remember that both Tegra 3 and ICS is new and requires testing.
Asus makes a really good job with support and are quick updates. there is no manufacturer that is as quick to update, and support their units as Asus.
XDA used to be the place to turn to for help and to learn new things.
Now drown community of **** posts and TROLL
Do not like Prime to take it back to the store. And you do not need tell the whole world that you left it back either.
BREATHE and think before posting.
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Sure, Prime has its problems.
But I compare Prime with Xoom, SGT 10.1 that I've used so does Prime better.
Do you see that these users are complaining and creates threads to the right and left? No.
both Xoom, SGT 10.1 has been really buggy and has not worked completely 100
All products with android have problems and bugs.
When I buy an android product I am aware that there will be bugs and that sometimes you will feel like a beta tester.
People must remember that both Tegra 3 and ICS is new and requires testing.
Asus makes a really good job with support and are quick updates. there is no manufacturer that is as quick to update, and support their units as Asus.
XDA used to be the place to turn to for help and to learn new things.
Now drown community of **** posts and TROLL
Do not like Prime to take it back to the store. And you do not need tell the whole world that you left it back either.
BREATHE and think before posting.
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there we go, perfect example of flaming... This needs to stop.
05GT said:
There should be one complaint thread. I think the whole issue is being brought about because of the repeats of the same complaints about the tablet. Every bad review says the exact same thing.
I do agree with you though. The flaming needs to stop.
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Why should there be one complaint thread for many types of complaints? One thread for GPS, one thread for lightbleed, one thread for WiFi, etc, etc I find reasonable. And usually there is. If someone posts a new thread they are usually civilly directed to the existing thread on the subject, where all the available info is in one spot.
And even then I would find it reasonable if someone is having an issue out of the ordinary with any of the current issues.
And I have no issues with each RMA horror story in a separate thread either. People need to know about this and not have it glossed over.
Guys cool down man^^
Ask yourself, why do you make a post? Whats the motivation behind it? Do you post out of frustration, because you're angry? Or just because you want to tell someone that he's an idiot?
These are all the wrong motivations in my opinion. There is one thing i really dont understand. Why can't people check the first 1-2 pages of a forum before they make their own thread?
Neither flaming nor whining is constructiv in any way. GPS problems exist, but posting it in every 2nd thread wont make those problems go away.
This forums are here (imho) to find solutions and reporting issues is important. But whining is not reporting an issue. And flaming is not giving a solution. Its just wasting anyone's time. If you report something, give as much info as you can and try it out in any possible situation before posting here. Then wait for answers or check later if a fix has been found.
And I dont want to flame or anything but everytime i see someone posting only to whine and tell us that he will return this stinking thing an image pops into my head:
A child that has just gotten a lollipop but realizing that its not his favorite flavour.
I love mine but it does have small problems.
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there we go, perfect example of flaming... This needs to stop.
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Not really. That is someone disagreeing with your assessment and you over reacting. Some of us like the TP and are tired of the repetitive posts that add nothing new to the discussion.
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I agree with OP and I'll add that the Prime has been such a disaster it does deserve it's own category of negative/problems because the list sure does go on and on and on....... then fanboys could stay out and stop crying.
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Flaming just doesn't stop, WTF? People, is it lack of sex, self reasoning for spending 500 bucks/pounds or else that makes you flame people...
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Do you appreciate the irony here?
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I think there are good points on both sides. It is a development forum but this is the general section. IMO the bottom line is why post a story about your experiences, issues, and going to give up a device, when a post with almost the exact same thing, same issues, same receive date, etc is 2 posts above yours. Post it in the same thread or risk teasing, at least about it being so "12 seconds ago"
edit opps repeated what cloud5 said 2 posts up.
reedit: In fact where people post a new issue, whether leaving the prime or not there is generally no flaming or teasing like the hot pixel thread earlier today.
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Do you appreciate the irony here?
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I have been around since the beginning of android. I Had a G1, then a Nexus One, to a MT4G, and now a Rezound. I rooted every one (minus the rezound obviously) and frequented the forums, learning and discussing the Mod'ing of these devices. As these past years have gone by, I have grown more and more concerned with the direction the community has taken.
Now there has always been at least some drama within the community, but as Android has grown in popularity, and more users seek info in the forums, the drama has ramped up exponentially it seems.
I remember when it was more about info than ego...
My request: Can we please get back to what its really about? Mod'ing, Flashing, and fun. Lets leave our egos at the door, they only do more harm than good. A sense of community and mutual respect is what we should strive for.
No personal insults/attacks be respectful even in disagreements
Don't steal code... give credit where due
Don't be a troll
Don't flame someone just for ignorance (if they seem to be habitual in forum misuse tell a mod so they can investigate and they can handle it appropriately)
Expect nothing, make no demands, ask politely... this goes for all sides
Remember this is a hobby and just for fun for most of us. Replace the fun with drama and what is the point.
I am sure there are other things I could list, but that will do for now.
Edit: resurrected from the dead...
Just so you guys know... Nobody is owed anything. No Dev owes you ROMs, root, or anything else. Vice versa, no user owes a Dev anything for their work. (paid market apps excluded) The rooting community is a hobby based entity. We work on respect and a mutual love of the platform. Donations are voluntary but a good idea. (It makes Devs feel appreciated)
Another thing... Drama... It kills the community. It runs off users and Devs alike. It creates a hostile environment that no one wants to deal with. When a device looses Devs it can be a death nail to the further development for that device.
When you think "just my one little question on ETAs won't be a big deal, I'll PM/IRC/tweet/IM the dev" you have to remember... about 100 other people are thinking the exact same thing. Its one thing to pop in the ROM's thread and if you don't see any activity for several days/a week, to post a quick question like "how is it going?", as dealing one one question and being able to answer publicly so others benefit too is not a big deal... Just don't get upset if the answer is a simple "we are still working on it" Often times there is a lot of effort put in but no real progress to report, no landmark goals yet made.
When you take the ETA/update questions into areas like IM that you start getting several people an hour pestering someone with the same question and it gets old...
^^^^^that's what it should about. But u got so many newbies here (and we all started somewhere of course) it seems as of the trolling and such come from New people not understanding the aspect of the site. But I k.ow I'm wasting my time typi.g his. Hope it happens.
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When I first started coming here, it was all about the phones. Helpful people, friendly community, the works. After a while it just seemed to deteriorate. Every other thread was a flame war. It got to a point where i'd rather rack my brain or scour Google before I'd ask a question in here, because I knew some ego tripping person with no manners was gonna try to flame me for asking a simple question. A little respect/courtesy can go a long way, whether if ur helping someone or being helped.
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Thank you for this post. +1000000000
I would like to see a rule enforced regarding swearing and overly aggressive, or hateful language.
I understand that phones can be frustrating, and so can users. But, if you can't post in a helpful and friendly way, you probably shouldn't post at all.
Temporary (and the threat of permanent) banning should be used to keep those in line who do not have the self control to handle posting in a respectful manner.
I wouldn't worry too much. With the Galaxy Nexus going on sale today, most of the babies crying that they can't unlock/root their Rezound are most likely in line right now to exchange their Rezound for the Galaxy Nexus. That should weed out many of those who do nothing but complain here in the Rezound threads.
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I wouldn't worry too much. With the Galaxy Nexus going on sale today, most of the babies crying that they can't unlock/root their Rezound are most likely in line right now to exchange their Rezound for the Galaxy Nexus. That should weed out many of those who do nothing but complain here in the Rezound threads.
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This should be in the general forum, not a phone specific Forum.
That aside, I agree. This is a forum where the work people do is totally by choice, because they like it as a hobby or for whatever other reasons they may have. It's all about respect and patience, something a lot of people need to remember and practice themselves.
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And by this forum, I mean xda in general.
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I agree, that this is what it should be about again!!! ^^^
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This should be in the general forum, not a phone specific Forum.
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Not trying to start anything or flame anyone, but isn't it the Mod's job to determine whether a thread is posted in the wrong area and move it accordingly? It just seems that if you come behind someone who took the time to start a thread and tell them that its in the wrong place, you come off like a smart Alec and thus animosity begins. Not saying that u are, just saying some ppl get off on that and only that. Once again, not trying to start anything, just my two pennies.
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Long live the rezound and the people who help others truly understand this great phone.
I'm living on a yellow submarine
It is their job, I was just saying what I think but I realized that I didn't put the phrase "I think " in that first comment. It was and still is a suggestion before some people flame him cause it is in this forum. Also, if he wants to get that message out, its towards the whole community, not just people in the Rezound forums, know what I mean. Didn't mean to sound like a smart Alec ='(.
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300k said:
It is their job, I was just saying what I think but I realized that I didn't put the phrase "I think " in that first comment. It was and still is a suggestion before some people flame him cause it is in this forum. Also, if he wants to get that message out, its towards the whole community, not just people in the Rezound forums, know what I mean. Didn't mean to sound like a smart Alec ='(.
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Yeah I agree. The flamers r in the building!! Lol its cool I think it is a message that needs to be spread forum wide tho. Another thread got shut down due to the things that are addressed in this thread.
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Yeah, I considered putting this in the over all general forum, but I am seeing so much craziness here in the Rezound forums that I thought it was needed here the most. I might throw it up in the Android general section if you guys think I should.
I love this phone, but I am getting impatient for root.
It is mostly the battery life issue. I hate extra batteries with a passion and hate needing to charge during the day as well. I am a light user, I just game a few minutes during breaks, send a few messages through the day and a few random things here and there. I really only have a smartphone for the convenience that it brings and the fact I like the Android OS and followed it since early 2007. With my MT4G even on a heavy use day (for me) I would have 40% left when I went to bed and charged, usually it was around 60%. With the larger screen and dual cores, I don't expect the same, but I know it will be better with cyanogenMOD on it. I can get through the day, but just barely, and that is on my lightest days.
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Yeah, I considered putting this in the over all general forum, but I am seeing so much craziness here in the Rezound forums that I thought it was needed here the most. I might throw it up in the Android general section if you guys think I should.
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^Agreed. How Many Members That Are Here(Rezound Forum) Actually Look At The Main xda General Section.
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^Agreed. How Many Members That Are Here(Rezound Forum) Actually Look At The Main xda General Section.
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I very rarely head over there.
I agree 100% with the OP. If people talked to each other like they would if they were sitting next to that person, half of the stuff wouldn't be said. When I drove a truck over the road, we used to call them people "CB Rambos".
Ah the courage that comes with anonymity. Isn't it grand...
#ff
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Ah the courage that comes with anonymity. Isn't it grand...
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Hmm...?? Who Are You Referring About? I Didn't Think I Said Anything Wrong Just Noting About Not Many People In "Here" Read The xda-General. If I Said Something Wrong I Do Apologize There Was No Condescending Intention.
I don't remember seeing anywhere that this forum was only for those with a one-sided opinion that the Prime is perfect, the greatest thing since sliced bread, and the ultimate solution for mankind!
It's getting a little old when every time someone posts a problem, or criticism of the TP, numerous posters attempt to discredit the OP and complain about the negative post, saying just return it if you don't like it. Then throw in something like, I would never use that feature anyway, why would you want to? Or imply, I don't have that problem so you must be wrong.
Everyone has an opinion and the obvious right to express it. We don't all have to agree. We do have to agree to disagree, if we are going to have a meaningful forum. How else can we help each other?
If you are happy with your purchase, then good. That doesn't mean that those who aren't are wrong. Also if you are disappointed and think Asus let you down, you're entitled to that opinion. That doesn't make you wrong either. Everyone please respect the fact that each user may have their own expectations of what is acceptable performance, however unimaginable that may seem to us.
Why exactly did you create a new topic....?
another newspaper article or Blog.. XDA can we get a personal Blog section?
Errrrrm what exactly is the point of this thread or Title for that matter?
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I personally agree with the OP. I've followed all the threads from the pre orders lol. Most have been pretty fair and respectful, and some reports have been Apple guys, sour grapes, or just arrogant like some on here above me. I am in support of those who have a device that they feel isn't what they were to get, especially when Asus and others are admitting these same issues. These are valid points. I've decided to keep mine and work through it. Sweeping it under the rug though makes no sense. I agree though not much can be done until ICS is released with the unlocked boot loader. So why be disrespectful unless deserved.
On another not I'm about to post a Q in the Q and A thread about HDMI. Despite searching I could not find my answer so feel free to rip me there. I read post I feel are important. Those I don't feel are important I ignore. I feel that having a thread with 0 responses is a bigger message than taking the time to hop on the thread to say its stupid. Just my. 02
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another newspaper article or Blog.. XDA can we get a personal Blog section?
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this.
xda used to be somewhere one could get help, learn about something new, or help the dev community, but lately it's just because this place for people to post how they feel about something or what they think about something when no one really cares.
posts that stated the fact that gps didn't work right, or wifi was weak = perfectly fine, since they publicised an issue that asus was trying to ignore.
posts that keep complaining about gps or why xyz feature isn't as good as their old tablet, or why they think people shouldn't buy the prime, or why they should buy tablet x = pointless, add clutter, and just make it hard to find actual information.
this thread falls into the latter.
adiliyo said:
this.
xda used to be somewhere one could get help, learn about something new, or help the dev community, but lately it's just because this place for people to post how they feel about something or what they think about something when no one really cares.
posts that stated the fact that gps didn't work right, or wifi was weak = perfectly fine, since they publicised an issue that asus was trying to ignore.
posts that keep complaining about gps or why xyz feature isn't as good as their old tablet, or why they think people shouldn't buy the prime, or why they should buy tablet x = pointless, add clutter, and just make it hard to find actual information.
this thread falls into the latter.
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I agree with this 100% people get tired of seeing the same old complaints, nagging, and posts asking if I should keep or return the prime. those threads aren't really helpful at all. all it does is make new people looking into this section question the device and make a biased opinion on it without never even having hands on yet. Just check out the "Positive Transformer Thread". you will see several people at first that feed into all the complaints. then they got the device and was very glad they didn't let all the negative posts influence them getting the device. A thread discussing an issue and trying to find a solution is helpful. A thread just constantly complaining of saw issue is no help at all n just clutters the section for Prime.
We already have several great developers who formed their own opinion on the Prime and really like it alot. So regardless we already have developement in progress. If someone is so unhappy with device, return it and move on. We don't need a thread nagging about it. You are not hurting developement and forward progress of Prime. FOR every complaint there will be several more positive ones. Prime is here to stay on top as King of Android devices as long as it can. So the skeptics can just move on along and wait for the higher resolution devices with higher specs that will perform less than prime due to higher resolution .
I agree with the OP.
For people complaining that this site is for devs, you belong in the DEVELOPMENT section. It's stupid that devs are constantly complaining about people posting opinions in the dev section and telling them to stay in the General section, then people post such material in the General forums and get flamed as well.
Regarding the Prime, I'm extremely disappointed. I've been an avid Android fanboy since the days of the G1 and the earliest "dessert" updates. I say this because I want to make it clear that I'm not an Apple troll AT ALL. With that in mind, Android has some serious, serious problems that need to be addressed both as a device platform in general and as an OS in specific. Asus also has some reckoning due with the Prime as well.
My Prime came to me via a Big Box retailer with 3 dead pixels, a spotty light sensor, the well known GPS issue, and WiFi that is consistently sub-par at best. I haven't tested yet, but there are also widespread reports of HDMI issues.
Heap onto that the fact that even stock Android under-performs as an OS. Stability issues from the start, even on ICS. Apps often have several annoying bugs that kill the experience - e.g. videos becoming unplayable in the Youtube app if you accidentally let the screen turn off. I'm currently using my Prime while sitting next to my girlfriend who is using her iPad 2, and I'm watching the iPad's UI zip by seamlessly as my Prime struggles to display the text I'm currently hunt-and-pecking out on the soft keyboard within the stock browser. Incidentally, my girlfriend has her iPad 2 handy because we were watching a Youtube video together on the Prime when I tried scrolling ahead and all hell broke loose. The app froze, jerked ahead, stopped loading video, the Prime became unresponsive, and eventually the app force closed. By the time I had restarted everything - dealing with several non-starts when trying to coax the app to seek ahead in the video - my girlfriend had already gotten her iPad, navigated to the video, cued it up, and picked up where we left off.
All of THIS with the fact that there is no spec that the Prime doesn't absolutely stomp the iPad 2 with in comparison. Oh, except usability, I guess.
People have every right to be disappointed with this product, and this is as good a venue as any to register that disappointment. Like it or not, Apple has set the bar high by allowing customers to take a device out of the box and get exactly what they were promised in the specs sheet. The amount of manufacturer defects and software incompatibilities present in the Prime flies in the face of this trend.
I suppose we can all just wait for cooked ROMs, though, where we will all trade system stability and a feature or two no longer functioning for a 5% performance increase
I'll tell you what, though, after 4 HTC Sensations (hardware defects in every single one), and now the Prime leaving MUCH to be desired, this Fandroid is about 2 seconds from calling it quits. Apple may not always "just work" as their BS marketing claims, but at least their devices don't arrive in shambles like so many Android devices I've owned.
Those of you longing for the day when XDA was almost exclusively a development forum, give it up. Because it covers the broadest array of devices and has the highest posting counts it has become the defacto source of information for everyone interested in a device, not just developers. The dev section's pretty much still intact but the general section is just that.
As for the hater, troll, and fanboy accusations, they've been a bit worse on this forum than is typical but I think a lot of it was just compounded by the number of major issues occuring at the same time (launch availablity, GPS expose, QC, etc.). It should settle down over time.
A lot of the most raging debates are over what the Prime is, where it sits in the tablet pecking order, and what it's meant to compete with. I'm assuming the HD Asus tablet that'll be shown in a couple of days will be both more expensive than the Prime and have better features too making it Asus' high-end device. If that ends up being true, the Prime's mission will become clearer - 1) be an excellent value, and 2) and exclusively offer a hard and detachable keyboard. That should help set some common expectations and make people judge it a little less harshly. Right now it's being compared to other higher-spec tablets and the iPad which isn't fair and may have not even been Asus' intention.
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Why exactly did you create a new topic....?
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another newspaper article or Blog.. XDA can we get a personal Blog section?
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Errrrrm what exactly is the point of this thread or Title for that matter?
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adiliyo said:
this.
xda used to be somewhere one could get help, learn about something new, or help the dev community, but lately it's just because this place for people to post how they feel about something or what they think about something when no one really cares.
posts that stated the fact that gps didn't work right, or wifi was weak = perfectly fine, since they publicised an issue that asus was trying to ignore.
posts that keep complaining about gps or why xyz feature isn't as good as their old tablet, or why they think people shouldn't buy the prime, or why they should buy tablet x = pointless, add clutter, and just make it hard to find actual information.
this thread falls into the latter.
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The arrogance of these post is obvious.
I posted here in "Eee Pad Transformer Prime General" about an apparent issue concerning the many attacks about the Prime issues, positive or negative. Maybe you haven't noticed.
If you were expecting development topics perhaps you should look at "Eee Pad Transformer Prime Android Development" or questions at "Eee Pad Transformer Prime Q&A." This is the General section, if you did not notice.
Otherwise you conceited opinion is just that, another opinion.
I don't think it's anybody's fault per se. This forum is mostly populated by early adopters who paid a premium for their tabs. When you paid big bucks, you want to feel good about your purchase, which is natural. Criticisms and complaints, however justified, get ya down. Part of the reason of buying toys is to feel good about using them. It's a normal human reaction.
Then you have the flip side, of people wanting to vent their frustration. Add the inevitable pushback, and it's a volatile and noisy mix.
Too, normal social cues are missing on a text-only medium. We all tend to be more coarse--and yes, more arrogant--in online exchanges. Unfortunate, but par for the course. Just have to roll with the punches.
In short, it is what it is. Take what you like, and ignore the rest. Complaining just adds to the noise level.
The fact of the matter is, if it is about the Transformer Prime, and is not a question, then this is the section the thread should be in...that is why "General" is here, practically a "catch-all". Granted, it can be frustrating if there are 25+ threads on "pre-order / stock" issues, or or the like. 2 or 3 threads is more than enough, if people use the search function, then "General" won't get cluttered with redundant posts.
( mine included, lol )
I came to a realization last night. While I used to come to XDA for up to date info, mod information and general discussion involving the Android products I enjoy or are looking forward to...these days I have to sift through so much crap its loosing its luster.
Take the Prime for example. Everyday, people are *****ing and complaining about GPS or Wifi or BT or screen banding or whatever. Here is some advice. Go return your Prime or sell it on EBay or Craigslist to any of the masses that are dying to get their hands on this tablet. It is amusing to read all these threads of individuals taking their Prime so personally as if Asus stole your kids lunch money. If it is not obvious by now, any issue with this tablet are not widespread. My wifi works great, as does BT. GPS doesn't but why would I ever use it on a 10" tablet? That is what my Galaxy Nexus is for.
Long story short, if you are not happy with your purchase, return it and stop wasting my and everyone else's time writing rants about how Asus is evil and wronged you personally. If you made your purchase from a store that doesn't accept returns, then you are an idiot in the first place, but you can always hawk it on eBay or Craigslist. If you have something to add to an issue, by all means continue to post new threads, but 80% of what I am reading sounds like a bunch of 18 years olds complaining that life isn't fair. Welcome to the real world. Return your Primes, move on and relax a bit. Many of us are enjoying this tablet and come here for actual information....not Jersey Shore.
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Considering that most of the big players read these forums this is the perfect place to complain if you want your words noted.
As XDA serves advertising just as much as it serves info and support complaining about complaints or asking us not to is utterly unreasonable.
Anyway, you are just as guilty about *****ing as anyone else, what do you think your post amounted too?
you nailed it.. its daycare for the internetz.
Kids come and stay here for hours bouncing off complaint to complaint
by the time they are done.. they are so tired they just go to bed..
well said.
So wait... the OP came to complain and people complaining... fail
In before the lock!!!
I feel like if anyone wanted to be heard, then they would just contact the manufacturer and then get back to us with anything they say. All of these people are just posting with the hope that doing the least stressful and easy thing (posting here) will fix their gps/wifi/screen problem when really if theres a problem they should just get a new unit or talk to Asus. I don't really mind complaining as much as I do redundant complaining. I know I don't want to hear anything about the gps anymore personally.
Someone Walkin' said:
Considering that most of the big players read these forums this is the perfect place to complain if you want your words noted.
As XDA serves advertising just as much as it serves info and support complaining about complaints or asking us not to is utterly unreasonable.
Anyway, you are just as guilty about *****ing as anyone else, what do you think your post amounted too?
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Fair point. Although maybe people will read it and put their egos aside, return the devices they like to complain about all day long and move on. This post is not to serve my bruised ego like many other posts that I am talking about are.
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You didn't put "your ego aside" and think twice about posting.. like anyone else with an issue, you posted.
Complainer!
I tend to Agree with the OP. This used to be a place about solutions to problems not a place to ***** about them. There is still plenty of useful information here it just is becoming harder and harder to sift through all of the crap to find it.
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So wait... the OP came to complain and people complaining... fail
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True, but you will only see me post this once. Not on every thread like a bunch of users. Stating dissatisfaction once to make a point is one thing....repeating it 10 to 20 times is not.
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Lets add a useless poll to this thread also to make it mean moar!
I for one am extremely happy since ICS with my TFP
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I think people that try to tell people to stop complaining on the internet have not been using the internet long enough.
This is what the internet was made for: Complaining! Well, and Porn.
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You didn't put "your ego aside" and think twice about posting.. like anyone else with an issue, you posted.
Complainer!
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If you can not tell the difference between a pointless self serving post and something like this, the I feel sorry for you. You my like the *****ing...I and others do not. It's simple. Don't like a product, return it and move on. Don't fill up multiple threads acting like Asus hurt your feelings.
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I came to a realization last night. While I used to come to XDA for up to date info, mod information and general discussion involving the Android products I enjoy or are looking forward to...these days I have to sift through so much crap its loosing its luster.
Take the Prime for example. Everyday, people are *****ing and complaining about GPS or Wifi or BT or screen banding or whatever. Here is some advice. Go return your Prime or sell it on EBay or Craigslist to any of the masses that are dying to get their hands on this tablet. It is amusing to read all these threads of individuals taking their Prime so personally as if Asus stole your kids lunch money. If it is not obvious by now, any issue with this tablet are not widespread. My wifi works great, as does BT. GPS doesn't but why would I ever use it on a 10" tablet? That is what my Galaxy Nexus is for.
Long story short, if you are not happy with your purchase, return it and stop wasting my and everyone else's time writing rants about how Asus is evil and wronged you personally. If you made your purchase from a store that doesn't accept returns, then you are an idiot in the first place, but you can always hawk it on eBay or Craigslist. If you have something to add to an issue, by all means continue to post new threads, but 80% of what I am reading sounds like a bunch of 18 years olds complaining that life isn't fair. Welcome to the real world. Return your Primes, move on and relax a bit. Many of us are enjoying this tablet and come here for actual information....not Jersey Shore.
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Can we make a sub-forum for whiners??? This is easily the best Android tablet I've ever used. For quick reference I've have Ipad 1, Xoom 3G, Xoom wifi, Ipad 2, Galaxy Tab 10.1 16GB and now Transformer Prime. Long story as to why I've gone through all those but if anyone is complaining about ICS and Tegra 3 Prime, you need to be humbled with the Xoom on release.
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Can we make a sub-forum for whiners??? This is easily the best Android tablet I've ever used. For quick reference I've have Ipad 1, Xoom 3G, Xoom wifi, Ipad 2, Galaxy Tab 10.1 16GB and now Transformer Prime. Long story as to why I've gone through all those but if anyone is complaining about ICS and Tegra 3 Prime, you need to be humbled with the Xoom on release.
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Haha. Had the Xoom on day one. Right there with you
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I am tired of all the complaints, yes. There are issues, we know of them, Asus knows of them. Yet more threads about how someone is taking their Prime back or canceling their order are just growing tiresome.
We have a rule here about limiting preorder threads to one per country... perhaps we need a rule for limiting ourselves to one complaint thread.
>these days I have to sift through so much crap its loosing its luster.
You do realize that your post is a complaint itself, right?
Ie, given that your post doesn't contain any "up to date info, mod information and general discussion involving the Android products [you] enjoy," it is noise. You are contributing to the problem, as am I and everyone in this thread.
The solution is simple: discriminate. Read what you want, and ignore the rest. There's no law saying you have to read everything. Sift better. It's not anybody's responsibility to make sure you like everything you read.
Yes, noise level is higher. It's a given for any forum once it gets more popular. That's life.
If you want to improve the SNR, contribute. Don't post another ***** thread.
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If you can not tell the difference between a pointless self serving post and something like this, the I feel sorry for you. You my like the *****ing...I and others do not. It's simple. Don't like a product, return it and move on. Don't fill up multiple threads acting like Asus hurt your feelings.
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Your digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole.
NOW your saying that somehow your bithcing is correct and others is not? Your *****ing is superior in some way and different?
I hate to break it to you, but your thread IS "a pointless self serving post". Sorry bro, just own it.
Let's clean this up a bit, shall we?
I get the impression sometimes that we (speaking about everybody here in the 3D forums recently) make this place sort of "unfriendly" with sarcasm and troll posts, rudeness when people post in the wrong section, create duplicate threads, so on and so forth...
First of all, I will say that I am fully aware of my own contribution to this, lol. BUT... i was thinking earlier about when I started out over on SDX and how friendly and eager people were to help me when I was new to the android/Linux scene (although I still had somewhat of a basic understanding of it because of my knowledge of windows, Linux and especially android was a new world to me and much of the knowledge I have picked up since then was simply because people were so willing to offer help and their own knowledge - regardless of "noob" questions (when I simply could have used a search button).
Yeah, for whatever reason you just want to punch people through the computer sometimes when they post in the wrong section or make "hAlp my phonez is teh broken" threads that can easily be fixed with some searching around. But I think we should try to be a little bit more of a friendly and tolerant (and therefore tolerable... ironically) of the things that go on around here.
Anyways, just some dumb ass rant post. But I thought I would share this thought because I feel the action of it could be a positive thing around here.
oouuut.
So, I will be nicer to people. Let's all try this, shall we?
except for freeza.... i am still trolling you.... on a regular basis. lulz
Cool story bro
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Cool story bro
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I think that's exact reason why the op posted this thread,childish stuff like that.
If I helped, give thanks, if you please.
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Cool story bro
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lol... touchè
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l000000000l as a youngster I used to be the lookout ;-)
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Would be a change of pace. A nice one. Maybe this should be some sort of pledge to help teh n00bz.
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TL;DR +10Char
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Yes,I'm one of the sorry trolls you are talking about
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In the Netherlands we always say: there no such thing as a stupid question but only stupid answers.
You hit the nail right ok the head. I joined
XDA almost a year ago and everyone was very helpful. I learned a lot. Now its a lot of people b***ing about stupid things like a devs work or a question they they have decided is "dumb".
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If I've helped you in any way... hit the "Thanks" button.
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that since there's been a flood of Android phones hitting the market over the last year and a half or so, there's also a flood of people who come with it. They buy a new Android device, hear about 'rooting' and jump on here. Not everyone knows the meaning of respect, and they expect things to just be handed to them. There's definitely more idiots on here than before, but also just more people overall. No matter where you go, the more people around, the more idiots there will be. It's unfortunate indeed.
I try to be helpful, but it's definitely aggravating when someone just flat out doesn't read a damn thing, and asks a question that's clearly typed in the OP. When I joined, I didn't know ANYTHING about rooting, ROMs, etc. but I read a few things and learned.
There are a few forums that I use that have a n00b section with zero intolerance for the replies to questions in said sub-forum, maybe that would be nice, then we can segregate the n00bs and flame more well-known users for asking stupid things. Lol
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I used to get on here several times a day, reading these forums, but it took me a long time to actually register because the few immature people that start a fight in the thread made it look irritating. Like whoever posted in the recent ICS thread about how the OP was information from another thread, even though the OP was several pages long.
Who cares? It's something else to read. That's why most of us are here, for some form of entertainment.
n00bs != newbies
Newbies don't know things and after TRYING to figure it out themselves, they have ended up, seeking answers for uncommon situations. This is OK.
n00bs, on the other hand, don't know ****, they don't give a crap about learning and expecting from others to give all the answers on a gold plate without moving a finger on their foot. This is not OK.
The sooner pseudomoralistic idiots realize this, the sooner will be this place be as it used to be before. If not, I'll continue to troll n00bs for my own amusement and you can kiss my shiny ass.
'Nuff said.
Every time I see someone say "cool story bro" I add them to my ignore list. Just added another..
That said XDA has gone steadily down hill. I remember when I first came here I was actually afraid to post. Now XDA is so addicted to member counts that they let just about anything go. Had a guy yesterday asking how to hack Amazon this is the crowd being attracted now. Its a shame and like many others i'm looking for the next XDA. Problems is the asses will just following. BTW I have no idea what the OP posted because he is already on my ignore list as it the poster below him now.
Terepin said:
n00bs != newbies
Newbies don't know things and after TRYING to figure it out themselves, they have ended up, seeking answers for uncommon situations. This is OK.
n00bs, on the other hand, don't know ****, they don't give a crap about learning and expecting from others to give all the answers on a gold plate without moving a finger on their foot. This is not OK.
The sooner pseudomoralistic idiots realize this, the sooner will be this place be as it used to be before. If not, I'll continue to troll n00bs for my own amusement and you can kiss my shiny ass.
'Nuff said.
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Yes, the "an answer is easily found by a very fast google search but I'm too lazy to do it or just expect you tell me" crowd is the problem I agree. Even if they are not the majority, when I see a new thread or question that seems like an easy find, I get really mad because I had to take the time to learn and search on my own. I've been on here since 2006 and I guess because of all the new androids out there you get people who are not technologically inclined trying to do technicological things.
zone23 said:
That said XDA has gone steadily down hill. I remember when I first came here I was actually afraid to post. Now XDA is so addicted to member counts that they let just about anything go. Had a guy yesterday asking how to hack Amazon this is the crowd being attracted now. Its a shame and like many others i'm looking for the next XDA. Problems is the asses will just following. BTW I have no idea what the OP posted because he is already on my ignore list as it the poster below him now.
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However, I agree it has gotten out of control, and the mods are unwilling or unable to do anything about the newbs or the a%*holes that are attacking devs when they know nothing about any of this development stuff.
cobraboy85 said:
except for freeza.... i am still trolling you.... on a regular basis. lulz
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^^^ most important part of your OP...
:sidenote: your like the XDA ghandi >>
"be the change"
/trollio
EDIT: I applied to be a mod (again) - and I'm all about reducing the jackassery around here. If accepted, I'll do what I can
zone23 said:
Every time I see someone say "cool story bro" I add them to my ignore list. Just added another..
That said XDA has gone steadily down hill. I remember when I first came here I was actually afraid to post. Now XDA is so addicted to member counts that they let just about anything go. Had a guy yesterday asking how to hack Amazon this is the crowd being attracted now. Its a shame and like many others i'm looking for the next XDA. Problems is the asses will just following. BTW I have no idea what the OP posted because he is already on my ignore list as it the poster below him now.
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Yes, the "an answer is easily found by a very fast google search but I'm too lazy to do it or just expect you tell me" crowd is the problem I agree. Even if they are not the majority, when I see a new thread or question that seems like an easy find, I get really mad because I had to take the time to learn and search on my own. I've been on here since 2006 and I guess because of all the new androids out there you get people who are not technologically inclined trying to do technicological things.
However, I agree it has gotten out of control, and the mods are unwilling or unable to do anything about the newbs or the a%*holes that are attacking devs when they know nothing about any of this development stuff.
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il Duce said:
^^^ most important part of your OP...
:sidenote: your like the XDA ghandi >>
"be the change"
/trollio
EDIT: I applied to be a mod (again) - and I'm all about reducing the jackassery around here. If accepted, I'll do what I can
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/pulls out soap box and stands on it
first off you wouldnt believe the amount of buttholes and douchebags mods put up with on a daily basis. most often we only get called in when there is a problem, so everyone wants to talk about how things have changed and how it sucks putting up with the idiots. put on mod glasses, i would 75% of the people on here, instead of just reporting a troll or a n00b posting in the wrong spot or a spammer, they in turn flame, troll, spam the person that just needs reporting. so that means, we then have to clean everything back up, figure out who to get rid of and sort the whole situation. its not fun. if you want to see things change, be the change. report posts, dont flame the idiots, dont feed the trolls, just move on with your day. we arent afraid to boot people, we arent about "registration numbers", we are about supporting developers. but we cant be in every thread at once or all the time. if you see something out of place, report it, everyone has that ability. but most of us just return the favor of flaming people.
i became a mod, because i believed that a difference could be made. i reported posts, before i was a mod, i was helpful to people, i tried to teach n00bs the correct way of doing things instead of treating them like trash. yes there is an over abundance of users now due to the influx of android devices, most of the new users dont know anything, and they wont ever learn anything if we all are douchebags to them.
if XDA is becoming something that it wasnt in the past, its because we as a user base are allowing it to be so. be a respectful user, help people out, if someone is doing something they arent supposed to report them. serisously, how are we supposed to know whats going on if we arent notified?
/steps off soap box
I think a large problem too is it really does feel like the mods play favorites. I don't want to bring up the whole Chad.Goodman thing, and how he was reported and pulled in a matter of hours, yet, when he reported other non-GPL complying dev's nothing was done to them. Or my own situation, having important threads detailing hostile actions from one particular user being deleted without any reply or communication from a mod as to why. That user having no repercussion for his actions.. It's really feels that it's not an equal ground forum a lot of the time.
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I think a large problem too is it really does feel like the mods play favorites. I don't want to bring up the whole Chad.Goodman thing, and how he was reported and pulled in a matter of hours, yet, when he reported other non-GPL complying dev's nothing was done to them. Or my own situation, having important threads detailing hostile actions from one particular user being deleted without any reply or communication from a mod as to why. That user having no repercussion for his actions.. It's really feels that it's not an equal ground forum a lot of the time.
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i agree that it may feel like that sometimes, and sometimes mods need to do a better job in communicating. users will not however see everything that goes on behind the scenes. if we infract someone we dont broadcast it, its really no one else's business if i infract you, thats why other users cant see other peoples infractions. if you dont like the way a mod handled something, ask him (or her) how/why they did what they did. dont be hostile about it, just pose a question. i know we are more than willing to talk to users about their issues, and come to the best possible resolve.
"HURR DURR THE IPAD IS BETTER IM A TROLL LOL!!!!"
Why do people keep posting this? I wish there was a mass reply button that said "COOL STORY BRO" to all of these people. This is a transformer prime forum. Not a comparison forum. Stuff like that should go into XDA general and stuff about buying in some other part of XDA. There are so many ****posts around here that I just can't believe it. Once again, THIS IS A TRANSFORMER PRIME FORUM. Thank you.
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I agree. I understand the position that the people who wish to express their dissatisfaction with a product, or to compare it to another, would find this the appropriate forum for such discourse.
But seriously, stroll around some other halo device forums (albeit I concede the title of "halo product" is almost ironic with the Prime given the imminent TF701) and see if they're littered with crappy threads. For the most part? No, they're not. They're where people have discussions about their product that are beneficial for the community to read.
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"HURR DURR THE IPAD IS BETTER IM A TROLL LOL!!!!"
Why do people keep posting this? I wish there was a mass reply button that said "COOL STORY BRO" to all of these people. This is a transformer prime forum. Not a comparison forum. Stuff like that should go into XDA general and stuff about buying in some other part of XDA. There are so many ****posts around here that I just can't believe it. Once again, THIS IS A TRANSFORMER PRIME FORUM. Thank you.
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I completely agree. I posted something similar in the "Why I left my Prime " thread. I could care less why people leave their Prime or why they feel that the iPad is better. One comparison thread here and there is fine but people are starting this conversation in threads off topic or creating multiple thread topics. Enough already. If I wanted to know about the iPad, I'd go elsewhere or read reviews. I don't buy for an instant that the "former Prime" owners are doing this out of the kindness of their hearts to "inform" us. Again, I could care less and this is NOT why I come to a place like this. I come for community and for device specific advice and device specific software. Period. Seriously, don't these "former Prime " owners have something better to do? Apparently not. The iPad must not be that exciting and stellar of a device if they find the need to expend energy and time comparing it to another device which they recently left.
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I think people are just butthurt that they don't have the best tablet anymore.
Well, some of the poster might just be trolls, trying to get a rise out of a situaion
Other might be real people with real grievance.
And the third group, would be paid professional "troll" by competator to slant or share false information to get more sale for their product.
As the TF prime is the flagship for the Nvidia Tegra 3 for the Android platform it's the #1 target for competitor.
Popular opinion to ban these posts permanently?
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With apple products the discussion usually resembles a religious discussion. These products mean sooo much more to people than they should.
I hate that this forum has turn into a whiner's circlejerk.
like seriously, if all they're going to post about is how they hate the transformer prime and want to return it, then return it and leave this forum. If they can't - then they should have considered that before buying it.
if you're not searching for solutions then quit posting about problems.
Ditto, every time i log in to the forum its very disheartening to have to wade through tons of negative posts in order to find something interesting. Looking forward to the day it calms down...
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Seriously this guy needed to start a thread for that... Boo hoo 1-2% loss means your battery will die in 50 days. I'm sorry your standby isnt a decade.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1557536
People are more inclined to complain on their soapbox then to praise. I love my Prime and don't have any real complaints about it.
EDIT: Returning tomorrow. Just had my first issue, I enabled bluetooth and it killed my WiFi until I disabled it and re-enabled it. That is completely unacceptable. (if you cant tell I'm joking, well join the trolls.)
I just can't deal with the preassure, ugh.. I'm getting a new iPad. Thanks Prime forum.
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bye bye to everyone who has moved on from prime. good luck. i am sure ur new device will be great!
appreciate, if u dont come back to this forum and spoil it for the ppl who love their primes.
its a win-win situation.!
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I don't think there is anything wrong with havinga thread or two, as for the rest just don't post/respond in them they'll dissapear from the front page quickly.
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I think people are just butthurt that they don't have the best tablet anymore.
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mods should automatically lock a thread once people start posting stupid like this one
I think these TP forums are worst that I have ever seen here. Even the SGS2 forums didnt have this much crap talk about SGS2 vs. iPhone 4S.
I have just ordered my TP and was going to check the forums for something interesting to read. First page of this general section is about iPad or iOS. Dont they have their own forum to discuss about things or what the **** is this?
yeah not sure wtf is going on, I came from a xoom and those forums on here were filled with quality useful post. Not *****ing and whining from the same 15-20 people filling this whole forum up with bs. Plus you got people just coming in to troll because they don't get laid in the the real world.
To answer the OPs question, it's because the people who had real issues and posted about them offended the fanbois in here. So the fanbois started a whole bunch of retaliatory posts of why the Prime is so good and how the people with technical problems were just a bunch of whiners.
So now it's come back full circle to where the people who had problems with their Primes make posts and threads mocking the fanbois.
Solution? Ignore all the lame posts and let them sink down the drain into oblivion.
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Ditto, every time i log in to the forum its very disheartening to have to wade through tons of negative posts in order to find something interesting. Looking forward to the day it calms down...
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This should tell you something
I feel bad for people that ASUS has mislead, truthfully. I loved my prime, I loved the design, the idea of everything about it. Then I got it, played with it, tested it and was extremely disappointed. The quality lacks, enough said.
The reason there is so much negativity is because the Prime, as a product, is lacking for something that if done right, could have been a game changer. The game changer is what everyone expected, is what ASUS advertised, and is what did not deliver. I had to sell mine, almost out of principle. I was very upset in doing so, it could've been so much more.
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I thought that too, but I think what he is saying is that Apple people are upset they don't have the best tablet any more, not prime owners.
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This should tell you something
I feel bad for people that ASUS has mislead, truthfully. I loved my prime, I loved the design, the idea of everything about it. Then I got it, played with it, tested it and was extremely disappointed. The quality lacks, enough said.
The reason there is so much negativity is because the Prime, as a product, is lacking for something that if done right, could have been a game changer. The game changer is what everyone expected, is what ASUS advertised, and is what did not deliver. I had to sell mine, almost out of principle. I was very upset in doing so, it could've been so much more.
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^^
This is an example of someone with a bum unit and is upset... I have had mine 2 months now and wifi is fine screen is fine gps is weak but locks quick (not that i would use a 10.1 inch tablet in my car to navigate lol), if you don't have one anymore why are you in this forum anymore? Not everyone gets a bad device get over it.