This Friday specs were leaked about the new ASUS tablets and guess what... the TF300 has:
- 1.2 Ghz Tegra 3
- Same RAM as Prime (1gb)
- Same res but no Super IPS
- Same camera's
According to the website Asus will call this their budget tablet... I think they just did these minor changes so they can call it a new product and not a replacement of Prime...
Link (Dutch, but also with a spec sheet picture): http://www.tabletsmagazine.nl/2012/02/asus-eee-pad-transformer-tf300t-en-tf700t-alle-specificaties/
That plastic body must be pretty heavy, less battery and heavier. Else most the same.
Edit: Seeing the TF700 specs.
Interesting the use of Qualcomm dual core.
Also I would prefer the LCD slightly larger (read less bevel) than 10 inches.
I wonder how much this tablet will cost. The specs don't seem that low for a "budget" tab and aside from losing super IPS I doubt people would notice a difference between the Prime and the tf300.
It would be very interesting if the tf300 worked with the Primes keyboard dock as well since the keyboard is a selling point for a lot of people. Of course we prolly won't know if they are compatible until the tf300 hits retail.
That last column is the TF700 right? So it won't have a tegra 3 processor? Isn't that pretty big news? I have to assume most people expected it to be the same as the TF201 with a better resolution and other minor changes.
The TF300's memory on the chart shows "1G DDR3L" in red which seems to indicate differences. I thought the Tegra3 data bus could only support DDR2 memory.
Here is an explanation of DDR3L (low-voltage):
"Two low voltage DDR3 standards have been introduced by JEDEC. The DDR3L standard operates with a default voltage of 1.35V, using at least 15% less power than standard voltage (1.5V) DDR3. Modules with DDR3L are labeled ’’PC3L’’, and examples include DDR3L‐800, DDR3L‐1066, DDR3L‐1333, and DDR3L‐1600. The DDR3U standard operates with a default voltage of 1.25V, and modules are labelled ’’PC3U’’."
Assuming that the TF300 is less expensive than the TFP and does not have the issues with WiFi or any new major issues. This unit hits the sweet spot for me, but of course it will be a long while before that can be assessed.
Already a thread out discussing this. Tf-300 is just a replacement to OG transformer. A dumbed down spec compared to prime. Less battery life, less powerful, screen display not as good, less storage, made of plastic, no Flash for cam.
This a great choice for those who can't afford the high end premium Prime. Still good. Just no where as good as Prime.
Pretty much expected. The Prime for now is the flagship, which means it gets the spiffy unibody aluminum shell. The iPad look is a major sales hook, but costs more to make, and Asus needs something at the $400 price point for its midrange model. That's where the TF300T fits. It's not replacing the TF201, but the TF101 which is now obsolete.
From the weight spec, TF300T looks typical for a plastic shell at 600-ish. Asus shaved 40g from the TF101, but it still weighs 58g more than the TF201. It'll have its own proprietary dock. Those thinking of using their old dock, don't get your hopes up. As has been admitted by Asus itself, the dock is where it makes the bucks.
The apparent SoC change from the Teg3 isn't a major surprise. Processor specs moves on, and apparently the Teg3 won't be good enough for flagship status for the latter half of 2012. The surprise is that the T suffix, which was thought to denote a Tegra model, is not.
If the Teg3 moves down to mid-range status, then it would make more sense for the MeMo 370T to get a Teg3 given its announced $250 pricing.
>Less battery life
From these specs at least, battery life is only one hour less for the unit itself. The big hit is in the dock, which apparently will add only 50% to total battery life instead of doubling it. This means a much smaller battery for the dock, which should also means a lower cost (probably $100). I always thought that the $150 price for the dock was a bit too rich. Apparently Asus agrees for the midrange model. Price for 300T for US should be $400 + $100 dock = $500 total.
e.mote said:
Pretty much expected. The Prime for now is the flagship, which means it gets the spiffy unibody aluminum shell. The iPad look is a major sales hook, but costs more to make, and Asus needs something at the $400 price point for its midrange model. That's where the TF300T fits. It's not replacing the TF201, but the TF101 which is now obsolete.
From the weight spec, TF300T looks typical for a plastic shell at 600-ish. Asus shaved 40g from the TF101, but it still weighs 58g more than the TF201. It'll have its own proprietary dock. Those thinking of using their old dock, don't get your hopes up. As has been admitted by Asus itself, the dock is where it makes the bucks.
The apparent SoC change from the Teg3 isn't a major surprise. Processor specs moves on, and apparently the Teg3 won't be good enough for flagship status for the latter half of 2012. The surprise is that the T suffix, which was thought to denote a Tegra model, is not.
If the Teg3 moves down to mid-range status, then it would make more sense for the MeMo 370T to get a Teg3 given its announced $250 pricing.
>Less battery life
From these specs at least, battery life is only one hour less for the unit itself. The big hit is in the dock, which apparently will add only 50% to total battery life instead of doubling it. This means a much smaller battery for the dock, which should also means a lower cost (probably $100). I always thought that the $150 price for the dock was a bit too rich. Apparently Asus agrees for the midrange model. Price for 300T for US should be $400 + $100 dock = $500 total.
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The article that included that table said that the new chip in tf-700 might be more of a test chip. There are several videos from Asus themselves from CES n such saying the tf-700 will clearly have tegra3 in it. If table holds true to specs, then it contradicts what they said in the various videos of them demoing their tablet. Once release time comes, we will know for sure.
So, if this is taking over the tf101's spot and price point in their lineup, will the tf101 be dropped completely I wonder, or still be offered with an even further reduced price point. If the latter, it could seriously compete with the price of low budget tablets like the Kindle Fire.
I always get confused with Qualcomm SoCs because they don't have names that you remember. Anyway, a quickie look-up for the APQ8060A part shows that it is the modem-less variant of the Snapdragon S4 family (graphic below). Purported clock speed for TF700T is 1.5GHz. 1080p is of course standard.
http://androidtabletupdate.com/tag/apq8060a/
The change, per this site, is because "ASUS needed 2.4GB/s of video bandwidth and Tegra 3 was unable to provide that much, since the T30 SOC still comes with a single-channel memory controller. Qualcomm APQ8060A is an S4 series processor based of two Krait cores clocked between 1.5 and 1.7GHz, has a dual-channel memory controller for 500MHz LPDDR2 memory, and most importantly for a tablet with such high resolution - Adreno 225 graphics processor."
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As some others have noted, at first glance the specs look similar but clock speed is reduced, ddr3l is used (cheaper and less power efficient than lpddr2... Might partially explain some of the battery life difference), bulkier, lower quality ips panel, no flash, less storage, heavier, and less battery life. Gps is not mentioned, and although the prime's gps isn't great, may be non existent on 300t. (Speculation)
Still looks to me like a decent tablet, but definitely not a direct replacement for prime.
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I have to say, this makes me feel much more secure with my purchase of the tf201.
I was going hold off with my tf101 until the tf700, but looking at those specs I'm glad I made the decision to buy now.
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ddr3l is used (cheaper and less power efficient than lpddr2...
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DDR3 has twice the b/w of DDR2. Why would low power equivalents of both not still make DDR3 superior?
The primary benefit of DDR3 SDRAM over its immediate predecessor, DDR2 SDRAM, is its ability to transfer data at twice the rate (eight times the speed of its internal memory arrays), enabling higher bandwidth or peak data rates. With two transfers per cycle of a quadrupled clock, a 64-bit wide DDR3 module may achieve a transfer rate of up to 64 times the memory clock speed in megabytes per second (MB/s). With data being transferred 64 bits at a time per memory module, DDR3 SDRAM gives a transfer rate of (memory clock rate) × 4 (for bus clock multiplier) × 2 (for data rate) × 64 (number of bits transferred) / 8 (number of bits/byte). Thus with a memory clock frequency of 100 MHz, DDR3 SDRAM gives a maximum transfer rate of 6400 MB/s. In addition, the DDR3 standard permits chip capacities of up to 8 gigabytes.
Improvements in silicon production processes have enabled a reduction in the core and I/O voltage for an incremental improvement in DDR3. Called “DDR3L” for Low Voltage, the new devices will operate from a single 1.35V rail, compared to the 1.5V of existing devices, resulting in a power savings of 20% in many mainstream applications. As many computing systems work to meet growing demand for green technologies, this savings is a breath of fresh air.
The Prime is on it's own league, the 300 can be considered an "upgrade" of the OT, and the 700 just a higher resolution offer, the Prime stands firm as the flagship IMO.
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The S4 seems to be very fast!
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/21/2813735/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-benchmarks
I play Test Drive Unlimited 2, the Veyron is insanely fast, yet nobody can control that thing besides in straight line and under 200 kmh. We will see this later on when actually mounted and operating, on paper, looks brutal indeed.
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Hello everybody,
Sorry for my poor english.
I created the Wikipedia article on the TF300T (since I am a new member on XDA, I can't link to the page but you will find it on Wikipedia English typing "TF300T"), if you want to contribute.
Thanks.
I am very interested by this tablet for many reasons:
- my budget is limited, I can't afford the Transformer Prime;
- I prefer tablets made of plastic/ABS rather than metal/aluminium (which I feel cold);
- I had the Prime in my hands and it was too thin for me, I would be afraid to break it or to twist/bend it. I press the keyboard of my netbook pretty hard already, especially the place to put my wrist.
I really look forward the release of this TF300T in France.
I hope I won't wait too long. I wanted a tablet since the iPad1 announced in january 2010 if I remember well. It is more than 2 years now. But I prefer an Android rather than an iOS device.
>The S4 seems to be very fast!
Looking at the Anandtech bench numbers of the S4 Krait vs the Teg3:
Qualcomm S4 Krait benchmarks
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5559/...mance-preview-msm8960-adreno-225-benchmarks/1
Nvidia Tegra 3 benchmarks
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/2
CPU
. Linpack single-threaded (higher=better): Krait 106.8, Teg3 47.2
. Linpack multi-threaded (higher=better): Krait 218.2, Teg3 135.9
. SunSpider Javascript (lower=better): Krait 1532, Teg3 1695
. Rightware BrowserMark (higher=better): Krait 110345, Teg3 103768
GPU
. GLBenchmark 2.1 Egypt Offscreen 720p (higher=better): Krait 52.2, Teg3 64.4
. GLBenchmark 2.1 Pro Offscreen 720p (higher=better): Krait 62.2, Teg3 78.4
. RightWare Basemark ES 2.0 Hoverjet (higher=better): Krait 43.8, Teg3 28.6
. RightWare Basemark ES 2.0 Taiji (higher=better): Krait 27.6, Teg3 15.8
For CPU, Krait @ 1.5GHz is better than Teg3 across the board.
GPU comparison is mixed. Both GL Benchmark and Rightware Basemark ES 2.0 test for OpenGL ES 2.0 performance. Not sure why the discrepancy where Krait does better on the Basemark, but worse on the GLBench. Note that for Basemark numbers, Krait uses 1024x600 while Teg3 uses 1024x768, so the Teg3 is driving a 28% larger screen size.
Yeah dang that s4 is fast! I wouldn't worry about that screen resolution most can be accounted for by the bar on the bottom thats is very stationary
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While sitting around waiting on a prime to actually (maybe never?) arrive, I hesitate slightly at the thought of the full HD becoming the standard resolution on tablets soon. Partly this seems silly to me as the storage capacities on tablets hardly seem up to the task of holding files for that resolution, and streaming options for full hd stuff is pretty limited currently.
So a few thoughts:
Anyone with a prime even feel any lack in the current resolution? I read no indication of such, and wonder if it will even be very noticeable side by side with a full HD tab
If it was magically 1900x1200ish now, what use would that serve for you?
A lot of people's first inclination is to question how well a tablet would perform at that resolution, but I'm confident it will be decent or manufacturers wouldn't be jumping at the idea of doing it.
Please see these:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1411063
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20842748&postcount=20
Higher resolution tablets probably perform much "worse" than the Prime at least not as good
The only case I would want higher resolution screen is for web browsing, especially in portrait orientation where 720 pixel wide is not enough to have a clear reading experience.
Other than that I could not care less. 1080p video is a non sense on a tablet right now cause if you want a full quality movie at this definition you need a files of 11gb wich is a pain to find and take wait to much space. Anything below that, or streamed, isn't better than the quality of a good 720p movie of 4gb.
In games I wish the extra power could be use to make games look good with bigger environnement rather than pushing more pixel.
3D game still looks awfull on mobile due to the lack of good lightning effect (Glowball on Tegra3 is promising in this regard compare to the A5 but I'm guessing A6 will provide those too)
johnchad14 said:
While sitting around waiting on a prime to actually (maybe never?) arrive, I hesitate slightly at the thought of the full HD becoming the standard resolution on tablets soon. Partly this seems silly to me as the storage capacities on tablets hardly seem up to the task of holding files for that resolution, and streaming options for full hd stuff is pretty limited currently.
So a few thoughts:
Anyone with a prime even feel any lack in the current resolution? I read no indication of such, and wonder if it will even be very noticeable side by side with a full HD tab
If it was magically 1900x1200ish now, what use would that serve for you?
A lot of people's first inclination is to question how well a tablet would perform at that resolution, but I'm confident it will be decent or manufacturers wouldn't be jumping at the idea of doing it.
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It's a heated debate. The higher the PPI, the clearer everything displayed will be - especially text. It would also be able to display full 1080P. So if that's something you consider either good or important then a higher res screen's for you.
Those saying what the Prime has is good enough use two arguments. 1) The higher res will mean a performance hit and, 2) it will mean poor battery life.
Tablets with higher res screens so far all have been leaked to have 2GB of RAM. For all we know, the extra GB could be intended for graphics acceleration. As for battery life, a leak came out today about the tech Sharp is using for the iPad3. It's IGZO and has over 300PPI plus it's 30% more energy efficient. Sharp just converted a huge TV panel factory to produce phone and tablet displays and they're already supplying screens to all the big manufacturers. So if the tech is production ready enough for the iPad3 you could see it on more devices in the near future. I'm sure there will be some announcements at CES.
So let the debate rage on...
http://gigaom.com/apple/apple-reportedly-using-new-display-tech-for-ipad-3/
https://www.semiconportal.com/en/archive/news/main-news/sharp-to-introduce-new-igzo-te.html
If I'm not mistaken, these high-res panels are also in short supply. If that's true, then their price will be much higher. Short supply + high demand = higher prices. Simple economics. I'm also pretty sure that the 2GB RAM on the Android tablets is to accommodate a larger frame buffer, and the iPad 3 will have to have 1GB RAM over its current 512MB.
All that means significantly higher prices. I don't expect any of these higher-res and higher-RAM tablets rumored to come out to be anywhere near the price of the Prime. I think the iPad 3 will be significantly more expensive and the iPad 2 will remain as a "lower-price" option (and won't go any lower in price than the Prime at 32GB, or the OG Transformer at 16GB). The Android tablets will be priced at $599 or more for 32GB, and there will remain Prime-equivalent devices at $499 or less. Hell, if Samsung/Motorola/HTC come out with high-res versions, they'll probably be $899.
For me, $499 is the max I want to spend on a tablet by itself, and I'm also not terribly sure that I'd want a tablet without the ASUS keyboard dock concept. I sure wouldn't pay $599 for a Tegra 3-based tablet with 1900X1200 pixels to push--SOMETHING has to give performance-wise. And I also like the extra brightness of the IPS+ screen more than I want higher resolution.
So, in short, the Prime's resolution is fine for me. And the screen is just luscious--bright and with uncanny viewing angles. Could it be a bit higher-res, to make text a little sharper maybe? Sure, but I wouldn't want it so badly that I'd be willing to put up with lower performance.
I'm completely satisfied with Prime display. I thought my Ipad had a great display but the Prime shows its display is clearly the best out of any tablet today in the market. major reviewers said so also like Engadget and Anandtech. Prime display is even better than ipad 2. prime has more PPI than it. plus prime has the highest contrast ratio of any tablet and the brightest. plus the viewing angles on this device is sick! lol. everything looks great to me on the display. especially when I recorded 1081p video using the rear camera. I was amazed at the quality and detail of video and display. I think Tegra3 has hit the sweet spot/optimal spot with the Prime and its resolution. we get great performance and a great display with atatanding battery life. Prime has set the new standard and set the bar high for next generation tablets to compete at.
My personal opinion on this:
Prime's screen is totally perfect
Higher resolution will have some impacts which are:
You need better/brighter backlights to compensate the additional pixels
You have heaver battery drain due to more pixels
You need a better GPU (not only more RAM) to push all those pixels (not to talk about those crazy 2K and 4K screens)
Text is easier to read on 720p/1080p displays
I wouldn't see a difference between a 720p and a 1080p display in that size playing a movie
In order to use those screens for 1080p movies you'll need more than 32GB of memory (an average Bluray 1080p rip has about 10-15GB )
Those are my initial thoughts on that topic...
Conclusion: In my opinion 1080p screens are not worth the effort yet.
I think the notion of Full HD 1080p on a 10.1" tablet is all marketing talk.
Not only is it a waste as far as video playback goes not being able to see the detail in the HD given the small screen, it will also tax the device's processor trying to render everything to 1920x1080, I can see a desktop PC dual core CPU having no problem with, but a low-powered ARM CPU.
Notice most 1080p laptops aren't smaller than 15".
To me its about app compatibility.
As it is Android already has WAY less tablet apps than iOS- Android tablets are a secondary development platform. That means that High-Res Android tablets will be (at best) the third tablet development platform, which means not great support.
I have the same issue with the GNex. Sure a 720p screen in a phone is nice, but MANY MANY Android apps are made for WXGA. Some don't even fill the full screen at 720p, or their interface breaks down. Due to how few phones have 720ps screens initially by the time the app market is full of apps ready for 720p the GNex will be obsolete hardware.
Whoever buys these high-res Android devices is taking the hit for all of us. By being an early adopter these people will literally feel every growing pain of the Android market as it catches up to high-res screens.
Meanwhile I am trying to get on what I call a "Low PPI Plateau." Between my SGS2 and a Transformer Prime I will have the two most common Android resolutions with hardware meant to maximize those resolutions.
By the time I am ready to leave my Low PPI Plateau not only will the hardware will have caught up to high-res needs, but also the market will be full of compatible apps.
1080p and above screens on a panel that is ~10" will show modest improvements in clarity, moreso with text, but even then it's very marginal for the cost, battery, and performance hit those tablets are going to take.
hell, i have a 27" 1080p monitor and a second 1280x1024 17" secondary monitor and even that that size, the quality of the two screens are very similar.
i feel like 80% of the whole high res panel is just marketing and of course once apple increases their screen res, everyone and their mother NEEDS to have the highest resolution screen that can be pumped out and charged on to their credit cards.
kokusho said:
The only case I would want higher resolution screen is for web browsing, especially in portrait orientation where 720 pixel wide is not enough to have a clear reading experience.
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It's 800, not 720. For me more problem is tiny letters than resolution while reading websites portrait on 800x1280 resolution.
Full HD resolution would be great for connecting to TV - you would have no rescaling then.
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The TFP screen is about 1M pixels, and a full 1080p screen is over 2M pixels. So a processor would have to work 2x as hard to move the 1080p screen around as those in a 720p screen, roughly. That would show up as slowth, somewhere, or heat, or something. So you'd want to get some goodness out of that - it looked better,etc.
People are different. Some see like hawks, others with less resolution. Some people will have trouble seeing the difference between 720p and 1080p, at distance, whereas others will see a marked difference. I'm on the 720p is OK end of that spectrum.
I have noticed, that when lying in bed, that my tablet at viewing distance subtends about the same angle as the HD TV on the other side of the room. So, aside from focusing my eyes, 720p is pretty good for both.
As for the new Tegra3 tablets coming out, I'd rather have the power show up as frame rate, or image manipulation speed, or extra application processor cycles. I'm quite happy with the design center of the TFP, screenwise.
Goodness, this discussion again.
1) Let's hold off on making comments with an air of certitude about hypothetical products we know close to nothing about. OP, if you really want to know what the impact of a higher resolution screen is on the performance and battery life of a tablet, I suggest you wait until those products actually come into existence and feedback (from reviewers and consumers) on them actually exists. Sitting here making comments about how higher resolution is for sure going to kill performance and battery life is ridiculous. Tablet makers are not idiotic, of course they are going to bump up other specs in order to compensate; it's how tech always works. Companies always come out with some crazy spec and people wonder "can they really pull that off?" and a lot of times they do. It's the nature of tech. What would be appropriate to say is "I'm concerned about the challenge that higher resolution will present to battery life and performance". That's reasonable. It's not reasonable to instantly dismiss the challenge as impossible. I would suggest that these tablet makers are going to at least be aware of the challenges and try to meet them. See? I'm not going to guarantee one way or another what the ultimate outcome will be.
2) If 2nd gen tablets in 2012 manage to incorporate higher resolution without impacting battery life or performance, could that at all be a bad thing? The negativity in this thread about higher resolution is centered on the hypothetical side effects. But by itself, could higher resolution be possibly perceived as a bad thing? I'm not talking about the degree by which it is an improvement over what we already have (as everyone has their own opinion on how much of a difference a higher resolution display will have), I'm talking about purely if it's "better" or "worse". As to that, I don't understand how any logical person could say that higher resolution (in and of itself) is worse than what we currently have.
Cliffs notes: if you want to see how these high res tablets are going to be, wait till you can actually see what they actually will be. Sounds lame? Yeah. But true. Hypothetical discussions are fun and all, but they aren't anything you should make your decisions on. I would have gotten the Prime if I based my decision on the hypothetical discussions that I got myself all hyped over. For me, the real world Prime did not live up to the hypothetical Prime I really wanted. What it all boils down to is what the real world end product is, and that's what you should make a decision on.
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Goodness, this discussion again.
1) Let's hold off on making comments with an air of certitude about hypothetical products we know close to nothing about. OP, if you really want to know what the impact of a higher resolution screen is on the performance and battery life of a tablet, I suggest you wait until those products actually come into existence and feedback (from reviewers and consumers) on them actually exists. Sitting here making comments about how higher resolution is for sure going to kill performance and battery life is ridiculous. Tablet makers are not idiotic, of course they are going to bump up other specs in order to compensate; it's how tech always works. Companies always come out with some crazy spec and people wonder "can they really pull that off?" and a lot of times they do. It's the nature of tech. What would be appropriate to say is "I'm concerned about the challenge that higher resolution will present to battery life and performance". That's reasonable. It's not reasonable to instantly dismiss the challenge as impossible. I would suggest that these tablet makers are going to at least be aware of the challenges and try to meet them. See? I'm not going to guarantee one way or another what the ultimate outcome will be.
2) If 2nd gen tablets in 2012 manage to incorporate higher resolution without impacting battery life or performance, could that at all be a bad thing? The negativity in this thread about higher resolution is centered on the hypothetical side effects. But by itself, could higher resolution be possibly perceived as a bad thing? I'm not talking about the degree by which it is an improvement over what we already have (as everyone has their own opinion on how much of a difference a higher resolution display will have), I'm talking about purely if it's "better" or "worse". As to that, I don't understand how any logical person could say that higher resolution (in and of itself) is worse than what we currently have.
Cliffs notes: if you want to see how these high res tablets are going to be, wait till you can actually see what they actually will be. Sounds lame? Yeah. But true. Hypothetical discussions are fun and all, but they aren't anything you should make your decisions on. I would have gotten the Prime if I based my decision on the hypothetical discussions that I got myself all hyped over. For me, the real world Prime did not live up to the hypothetical Prime I really wanted. What it all boils down to is what the real world end product is, and that's what you should make a decision on.
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You're right. But it will going to be a huge impact for the processor, it is more then 2 times as much pixels the CPU/GPU will need to handle. It is just as with Windows; my old PC worked fine in games on a 1280x1024 screen but with 1920x1080 (around 1.7 as much pixels) it just couldn't handle it anymore. So i'm not sure if the Tegra3 is going to handle that, the GPU in it just isn't really good. It does its job at 1280x800, but I'm really concerned how that is gonna be on 1920x1200; are they gonna scale games back? If that would be the case they could just as well use the cheaper 1280x800 panel and let $100 off the price.
However this is all speculation I think it is gonna be this way.
Also I wouldn't want to have either a Acer or Lenovo product; Acer's build quality and support is just very bad (23,3% of their portable products are defect within 2 years in Europe) and for Lenovo I'm really wondering if they even going to give their tablets updates, also the price will be pretty high I guess, also pretty high defect rate as seen below.
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Higher resolution tablets would be nice, provided that they have the hardware to push that many pixels without slowdown. I'm all for high DPI, and I'm disappointed that we rarely get high densities on desktop monitors.
However, I don't think that a display resolution higher than 1280x800 would really add to the use-case of a tablet. It's not going to allow you to do things you couldn't otherwise do, and the DPI is already acceptably high to display plenty of information on screen. Higher DPI would allow for crisper graphics and text, which I'd definitely like to have, but it's already good enough that it becomes a "nice to have" feature rather than any kind of "must-have" for me.
I don't imagine that these putative high-DPI tablets will have a keyboard dock accessory like the Prime, and, for me, that's a "must-have".
>If I'm not mistaken, these high-res panels are also in short supply. If that's true, then their price will be much higher.
As yields get better over time, price will come down. So cost is a function of time. You're probably right for the initial crop, although I'd quibble over the "much higher" amount. Pricing constraints exist.
Much depends on pricing of 2012 iPad(s), since iPad pricing is literally the reference price for the rest of the tablet market. Apple didn't raise pricing for the iPhone 4 or iPod Touch when those got the Retina Display. From this, the guess is that the iPad $500 benchmark price will still apply for base 2012 model.
If the iPad3 has 2048x1536 res and is $500, Android vendors can't sell their tablets for lower res (1920x1200) at a higher price.
Low-end 10" Android tablets in 2012 will be around USD$350. That's the current price for the Xoom Family (down-specced Xoom), and announced price for the Acer A200 (down-specced A500). Then, there's enough room ($150) to shoehorn in a hi-res display, even if you have to cut corners elsewhere.
That said, Acer & others probably don't care much about the Android tablet market, given its lackluster market reception thus far. PC vendors--Acers/Asus/Dell/HP/et al--will be concentrating on Win8 tablets, since that has a huge existing userbase. Secondly, Win8 tabs aren't as constrained by iPad pricing, as they can do more, eg content creation.
>$499 is the max I want to spend on a tablet by itself
Yes, $500 has become the reference price for most consumers. That comes from the iPad pricing. I'd limit this mindset to "content-consumption" tablets, ie iOS and Android currently.
>Prime's screen is totally perfect
A widget is "perfect" until a better/faster widget comes along. As Jobs has succinctly stated, consumers don't know what they want until they see it.
>You need a better GPU
Teg3 can already run 1080p movies, which place a much higher demand on system resources than pushing around pixels on a UI. If the OS is sluggish, then it's an OS problem, which is the case for HC.
>You have heaver battery drain due to more pixels
This may be true. From the Russian rumor, the Acer A700 has a 10Ah battery, whereas the Prime's battery is 7.4V, 3.38Ah. I'm assuming the voltage for the Acer is 3.7V. Then, the A700 has a 37Wh vs the Prime's 25Wh batt, or roughly 50% more capacity.
>Notice most 1080p laptops aren't smaller than 15"
Tablets are held closer to your eyes, hence they can use higher res. Tablets are also used as e-readers; higher res = sharper text = less eye fatigue.
>To me its about app compatibility.
Android is already awashed with many different screen res. That's why the big emphasis in ICS for res-independent apps.
>The negativity in this thread about higher resolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias
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You're right. But it will going to be a huge impact for the processor, it is more then 2 times as much pixels the CPU/GPU will need to handle. It is just as with Windows; my old PC worked fine in games on a 1280x1024 screen but with 1920x1080 (around 1.7 as much pixels) it just couldn't handle it anymore. So i'm not sure if the Tegra3 is going to handle that, the GPU in it just isn't really good. It does its job at 1280x800, but I'm really concerned how that is gonna be on 1920x1200; are they gonna scale games back? If that would be the case they could just as well use the cheaper 1280x800 panel and let $100 off the price.
However this is all speculation I think it is gonna be this way.
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You're fine to say you're afraid it might be that way. It's the people saying with absolute certainty that it will be that way that are out of line.
Personally, I'm not too excited for this Acer or Lenovo tablet either. If they're rocking the same GPU the Prime has, I'm probably not buying either. My ultimate interest is in what Samsung comes out with in 2012. I just like their approach. And I have a feeling they are going to come out with killer specs based on early information. If anyone can pull off higher resolution (and the rumored resolution is VERY high), I think it would be a company with the size of Samsung. And as I said before, I'm going to wait to see how it actually performs before I judge it.
Of course I would want a higher resolution screen, provided the tablet still performs decently. I mean... who wouldn't?
I think a lot of this discussion centers around people trying to justify their current Prime purchase, instead of waiting for the next greatest thing. The tablets that come out next year will probably be better than the Prime, in many aspects. Including beautiful high resolution screens where no pixel is discernable. Of course I would love one. But my Prime is suiting me well right now, and I don't *need* a higher resolution screen. And I don't want to play the waiting game for another tablet, because I needed one right now. That's that.
Guess we'll see!
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Of course I would want a higher resolution screen, provided the tablet still performs decently. I mean... who wouldn't?
I think a lot of this discussion centers around people trying to justify their current Prime purchase, instead of waiting for the next greatest thing. The tablets that come out next year will probably be better than the Prime, in many aspects. Including beautiful high resolution screens where no pixel is discernable. Of course I would love one. But my Prime is suiting me well right now, and I don't *need* a higher resolution screen. And I don't want to play the waiting game for another tablet, because I needed one right now. That's that.
Guess we'll see!
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To see no pixel at 10.1" the average person would need far more then 1920x1200. This "only" gives a DPI of 224.17. 1280x800 gives 149.45. The iPad 1 and 2 have 131.96. (The higher the better). A average person can't see the pixels at a DPI of 320.
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I love stats and don't consider myself either a fan or a detractor of Asus. But what you posted isn't relevant unless we're having a conversation specifically about laptops. Desktops, mobos, and tablet results could be very different and are most likely produced in different facilities. Also, there's no timeframe on your chart and one or two bad product launches (Asus' or others) can skew the results tremendously. Nice chart though.
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Of course I would want a higher resolution screen, provided the tablet still performs decently. I mean... who wouldn't?
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It's human nature to defend your choices and purchases. Right up until the time you don't.
So I was at CES Thursday and Friday and tried to visit most of the tablet boots and have played with several tablets with qualcomm snapdragon s4, Intel atom, Omap and I few other chinese branded ones. And by far the smoothest and fastest out of all of them was the tegra 3 devices. In particular the Acer a510. TFP IMO comes in 2nd. Acer is super smooth did not lag nor stutter. TFP I do see some stutter from time to time and flicking through home screen is faster and but not as butter smooth as the a510. I'm not sure how to explain it better. It seems to be better hardware accelerated.
Iconia A510 (charges though some micro usb I havent seen before that you can plug the regular charger or micro usb. The charging adapter had a rating of 12v output.
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They were demoing a game at the qualcomm booth running snapdragon s4 and I was surprised at how it stuttered and was not very smooth via HDMI. I recorded this since this was the processor I was looking forward to being one of the best out there.
Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jhiyYIfu7Y&list=UUHqepxR6_suYYKySqKxymDg&index=2&feature=plcp
I didnt record the TFP showing Shadowgun via HDMI since most of us know how super smooth that is. I'll see if I have a video of the a510 though. I did record however this ZTE 7 (7inch tablet) by ZTE with Tegra 3. I assume this is how the 7 inch prime is going to be as far as performance (I never found the asus 7 prime anywhere).
ZTE 7
Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMIFnjHkGCY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
The Fujitsu tablets were water proof but wow it is laggy as heck. I didn't spend a lot of time there and kinda made fun of a staff who didn't even know what OS it was running. lol. She was damn hot though. Didnt get a pic of her unfortunately.
Also checked out the Archos tablets. I was a fan of archos before and had own an a70t. But even with ICS their new tablets are really awful slow IMO.
So anyway just thought I'd share this with you guys and be happy that we have tegra 3 devices.
I've always said 2012 will be the year of The Prime & Tegra3. That new Acer looks kinda bulky. not as sexy looking as the prime. Thanks for the info. I wish you would've pulled the apk for that BladeSlinger demo..lol. what was the name of that fighting game that was playing on Snapdragon devices? Qualcimm trying to copy Nvidia Tegrazone and coming with a gaming site app for their chips also.
So if you said the snapdragons were laggy, then new 7 in. Memo from Asus may not be a good buy. its going tl have the same snapdragon chips in them I believe. it will be dual core in the memo. plus memo will only have a regular Tft Ips screen. not Super IPS + like in the prime. plus memo will be 3g.
edit: your video links aren't working. it goes to YouTube then says sorry Malformed video ID or something
The acer is slightly thicker but not by much. it only looks like it cause of the edges is not as tapered as the Prime. But center thickness is almost the same to me. I do like that it was more comfortable to hold since the edges didnt feel sharp on your palms. But yea definitely prime is slicker looking. As far as the Demo game it crashed on me a lot and wasnt playable after the video intro. So prob wasnt worth grabbing.
I'm not sure what that game was on the snapdragon device. The also had mc3 on the other side via HDMI and it was laggy too. With the Asus 7 inch prime I'm pretty sure its tegra 3 (every Nvidia rep told me that anyway) so we dont have to worry about it being laggy. If its anything like that zte 7 then it should be pretty fast.
Ill recheck the videos...
There are two memo models coming. One with Tegra3
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Well thinner isn't always better. For me anyways. I kinda like a little meat
on the tab. Feels solid. For that size though you would think they would have
a full size USB port?? Or did they do away with that? I seen they had the
A700 out as well. Looks like some nice hardware.
Specs on the 7in. Asus Memo pad that has Dual Core 1.2Ghz Snapdragon
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2938&c=asus_eee_pad_memo_3d_me370t_32gb
demandarin said:
Specs on the 7in. Asus Memo pad that has Dual Core 1.2Ghz Snapdragon
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2938&c=asus_eee_pad_memo_3d_me370t_32gb
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I shouldve been more clear with my post. I was referring to this one.
http://www.engadget.com/photos/asus-eee-pad-memo-370t/
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2398672,00.asp
I"m on the market for a tablet and am definitely considering the Transformer as I can take the keyboard to school and use it to take notes easier.
However, I do like the look, and price of the transformer prime and would prefer a smoother UI than the 1080p screen of the Prime 700t (unless the HD screen look THAT amazing)
Did tegra 3 run smoothly on the 1080p tablets? And also are the wireless issues THAT bad on the tf201 that would encourage me to buy the 700t?
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Did tegra 3 run smoothly on the 1080p tablets? And also are the wireless issues THAT bad on the tf201 that would encourage me to buy the 700t?
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I'm not so sure about the 1080p ones as they didn't have any of them out for display. It mightve been in one of the rooms but didn't get a chance to find them. I was really looking for the asus 7 inch 370t with tegra 3. My first time at CES so I really didnt know where to go.
Anyhow 1080p on a 10 inch tablet does sound nice but its gonna be overkill IMO. Its gonna be mostly bragging rights and to the naked eye its probably gonna be hard to dicern the difference. And its most likely going to use more processing hence use more battery power. Then you have to worry about app compatibility and either wait for app to catch up or some cases apps might not ever be updated. There are already several threads about prime vs t700 so maybe you may want to give those threads a visit if you want others opinions between the 2 devices.
Re: Acer Iconia A510 - Did you check with an Acer rep and find out why they only showed it in the Nvidia booth? Don't Acer have their own booth?
Re: Asus 370T - Ditto. Should've buttonholed an Asus rep and get the low-down on it.
Anyway, both should be out in Q2 as announced, unless something happens.
>Anyhow 1080p on a 10 inch tablet does sound nice but its gonna be overkill IMO.
One can say the same thing about the Tegra 3. Should you need a quadcore just to have a smooth UI?
I mainly read texts in portrait mode on a 1024x600 7". ePubs are OK, but PDFs suck, as is web browsing. Resolution (169 dpi) is too low for the size. Was gonna give up on 7", but the upcoming 1280x800 (215 dpi) should make 7" viable again for my use.
I think that's what it boils down to. For text, 1080p on 10.1" (also 215 dpi) is better. For graphics/games, 720p is better. Regardless, 1080p will become the standard res once supply ramps up, one, because everybody needs to keep up with the iPad, and two, like you said, it's "nice to have" even though you don't actually need it (like you don't actually need a quadcore).
e.mote said:
Re: Acer Iconia A510 - Did you check with an Acer rep and find out why they only showed it in the Nvidia booth? Don't Acer have their own booth?
Re: Asus 370T - Ditto. Should've buttonholed an Asus rep and get the low-down on it.
Anyway, both should be out in Q2 as announced, unless something happens.
>Anyhow 1080p on a 10 inch tablet does sound nice but its gonna be overkill IMO.
One can say the same thing about the Tegra 3. Should you need a quadcore just to have a smooth UI?
I mainly read texts in portrait mode on a 1024x600 7". ePubs are OK, but PDFs suck, as is web browsing. Resolution (169 dpi) is too low for the size. Was gonna give up on 7", but the upcoming 1280x800 (215 dpi) should make 7" viable again for my use.
I think that's what it boils down to. For text, 1080p on 10.1" (also 215 dpi) is better. For graphics/games, 720p is better. Regardless, 1080p will become the standard res once supply ramps up, one, because everybody needs to keep up with the iPad, and two, like you said, it's "nice to have" even though you don't actually need it (like you don't actually need a quadcore).
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I didn't really check with Acer (not sure if they had a booth). All the Halls were so massive that it got very cumbersome trying to walk back and forth. So whatever I remembered I visited. Didn't dawn on me to look for Acer.
Asus 370t - went back on friday to hunt Acer booth down. They had a very tiny booth but no one was in it. Just display of a prime, processors, and forgot what else (no 370t for sure) but whatever they had were behind glass. I was new to CES so I didn't know where to go from there. I really wanted to see this thing in person too. After CES was over then I thought maybe theyre in one of the rooms. But it was too late...CES was over....
Nvidia reps had no ETA on when Acer a510 nor the 370t will be released. Makes sense since theyre just the processor manufacturer.
Screen res IMO only matters with screen 32 inches and up. How clear do you really need a text to be. My laptop is 15 inch and is 1280x800 and its perfect for when I surf or play some games on it. But I remember when I used to have a celeron processor and hated it. I couldnt run alot of games and it was slow. I'm a gamer so for me Id rather have faster processor than higher res screen unless ofcouse were talking tvs that are 40" and up. Also advantage of quadcore is HDMI out to your TV. I have a Tegra2 acer a100 and its choppy on my TV. It's like watching a low frame rate movie. Compared the prime which barely lags at all. Not only when scrolling and such but opening/closing apps and even watching movies over HDMI. Everything just runs as it should with quad core. Now the real question is, do we really need anything higher than quadcore?
First, thanks for the report and the pics & vids.
>Screen res IMO only matters with screen 32 inches and up.
Discernible resolution depends on viewing distance. TVs' are 6-10' typical; desktop monitors about 2-3'; laptops probably 18-24"; tablets 12-18"; phones 12" or less.
It also depends on what's displayed. TVs display movies--moving graphics--and the eyes have a harder time discerning fine details, as comparing to, say, static black text on white background.
As said, 1080p-on-10" matters more for readers than gamers. But if display is migrated (via HDMI) to a large-screen TV, then 1080p is desirable for everyone. Low-framerate concern should be resolved with faster SoCs--and they're progressing at a pretty fast pace, thanks to competition.
One can say HDMI-connection is a small part of tablet use, which is true for now. But there are upcoming techs that will allow wireless connections to TVs (Intel WiDi, or even 802.11ac), so TV connections will be much more convenient, therefore more popular in the near future. (The TF700 will not have high-speed wireless, so this argument is more about "future tablets" than the TF700 specifically.)
Really, there is no dispute that a higher res is desirable for everyone. While you may not see a use for higher res currently, we're only scratching the surface of the tablet's potential functionality. Recall Gate's "640K ought to be enough for anybody" quote. If there's a point to argue, it'll be how much a 1080p tab is worth. Asus says it's +$100. I think the final say will lie with the iPad 3. It will determine pricing for the rest of the market.
>My laptop is 15 inch and is 1280x800
This brings up another point, which is that all of the above is about functionality. But whether a product gets feature X is more about increased SELLABILITY, rather than about increased functionality. Increased resolution is a very good selling point for tablets, as it's simple to understand. Most all TVs now are 1080p, even on small sets where one can't see the difference. Vendors can't sell 720p sets any more.
Laptops could have better res. One reason that they don't is that screen res was never a selling point, for whatever reason. It's mainly CPU.
It's different for tablets, because Apple is the standard bearer. Other vendors are trying to beat it on specs, since they can't (yet) compete on ecosystem. Once iPad goes to QXGA as expected, every vendor will have to follow, or risk being perceived as inferior (even more than they are now). This is regardless of whatever functionality the higher res offers. In short, Apple sets the standard.
To reiterate, there is a real functionality benefit for 1080p-on-10" now--for reading. Sharper text = less eye strain. (BTW, one casualty of the increased res will be e-ink, which is already suffering in sales relative to color Nooks and Kindle Fire.) I think e-reading will be an increasingly more popular use, given the ongoing migration to e-books. Apple's e-textbook announcement today underlines this sea change.
smoothness > resolution. Thats how it is for me.
High dpi surely is nice for text, but one of the biggest advantages over paper is that you can adjust the size of the text to you liking. And i like big letters. Smaller text profits much more from higher resolutions than when you zoom in anyway. Another point where i dont need 1080p on 10.1".
I played 320x240 software rendered games on my PC with a 17" CRT back in the days. I can take 1280x800 on 10.1" anytime
Retina display is just a marketing thing imho. Yeah you can hold the thing directly in front of your eye and dont see pixels. But you will never do that while actually using the device.
Smoothness is something that you notice everytime as soon as you start the device. But in my opinion smoothness has much more to do with good software optimization than with hardware. I have used a lot of different roms on my DesireHD with 1ghz singlecore cpu. I used some roms that were very minimalistic and still totally laggy. Right now i have a bloated sense 3.5 port on it and its iphone-ish smooth all the time. Only because of tweaks and software optimization from the rom chefs.
Prime will have bootloader unlock tool -> it will have custom roms -> win.
I knew the new snapdragon chipset was gonna underperform against the competition like it always does. Snapdragon SoC's are the only reason why I'm not pulling the trigger on any LTE phones.
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I knew the new snapdragon chipset was gonna underperform against the competition like it always does. Snapdragon SoC's are the only reason why I'm not pulling the trigger on any LTE phones.
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That's a good move. If you haven't heard the government actually trying to shut down LTE/4g networks. It interferes too much with other frequencies. It really interferes with BT. The companies were supposed to come up with a solution but all of the so called solutions have been disapproved so far by government.
>I knew the new snapdragon chipset was gonna underperform against the competition like it always does.
What current games or apps are there that can't be run acceptably on a Krait, as versus, say, a Tegra 3? When you say underperform, are you talking about strictly benchmark differences?
>smoothness > resolution
With current Android, smoothness isn't so much a function of resolution as it is a function of the OS maturity. Many of the things you mentioned are UI-related, and it shouldn't take a quadcore to get a smooth UI.
>you can adjust the size of the text to you liking. And i like big letters.
By reading, I'm referring to long-form reading, eg books & periodicals. If you adjust font size for larger, many hard-layout texts will need larger than the display size, which in turn would need panning. You can't do the zoom/pan thing for every page of a book, as opposed to a web page.
As you said, that's where higher res has the most benefit in allowing smaller texts to still be legible, and not requiring panning.
In thinking about it, Apple's push into e-textbooks makes more sense, in that confirms the iPad3's higher resolution. E-textbooks with hard layouts would be a poor experience with the iPad's current 1024x768 res.
>Retina display is just a marketing thing imho.
Many aspects are marketing influenced, and have little to do with functionality--eg the Prime's aluminum shell. It looks and feels "more quality" than plastic, hence marketing dictates it will sell better. But it functions worse than plastic. In that sense, arguing about functionality is somewhat academic and not reflective of how product decisions are made.
Whenever I run the cpu at these speeds it seems to become unstable. It works much faster for about five minutes then the lagging begins. The temp gets rather high too. I have programs crash on me a lot regardless but it gets so bad when running at these clocking speeds that I must reboot. I also use system turner and will go from interactive to performance to having all cores locked on 1.6GHz. All these come to the same result, a deep freeze. Although, it is more likely to happen when all cores are at 1.6GHz. I feel like it should not do this as the prime was designed to run like this(not really even overclocking imo). Maybe it is overheating and trying to save itself.
Is there something i have done to cause this or is this a common occurrence? Maybe my tp has another defect to tally up.
Maybe this is why 1.5 and 1.6 are not stock modes? Poking about in /sys, i saw what looked like thermal backoff - looks like there is a table of CPU temp and throttle speed. so if it gets over 90C, it cuts the clock to 1GHz (guessing with the numbers)
You can't count this as a defect necessarily, different individual chips behave differently when overclocked even when they are in spec. Then again, maybe your device has voltage regulator issues.
MY prime runs fine on regular vipercontrol overclock and system tuner extra boost on top. PRIME WAS NEVER MEANT TO RUN WITH ALL 4 CORES MAXED AT 1.6ghz period..lol. even prime highest stock speed 1.4ghz, isn't even running on all 4 cores. Its just one. We are going into new territory with all of them maxed out to 1.6ghz.
PRIME runs fine ln either setup though. I don't get lag. Even stock performance mode runs the temp. Up so can't blame that persay to the overclock as its only natural temp will rise as faster speeds are reached. TEGRA3 chip can easily handle 1.6ghz on vioerboy overclock method. All cores maxed out also although no one has had prime long enough to see if any ill effects from it.
ASUS/nvidis didn't enable overclock speeds for money reasons. You have to remember Prime was designed n built by both Asus n Nvidia. Prime was the perfect testing ground for future tablets using tegra3. That's why Lenovo supposedly coming out with exact same chip except the 1.6ghz is enabled stock. HOW WOULD THAT look if prime came with 1.6ghz? Future tablets down the road would be frowned upon if come out several months later with same speed as prime. SO they basically the underclocked the Prime because its still, by far, the most powerful tablet'processor out today. So then newer tablets down the road can be like hey, I'm upgraded n faster n so on since I'm clocked faster. MONEY N longevity is the reason why prime was underclocked. SAME will be said for phones coming out with tegra3. Nvdia already said they will be underclocked lower than the tablets but will be even more optimized. Same reason why ipad1 didn't have cams. So apple could trick consumers n be like hey this new Ipad2 has came now. When it could've easily been implemented on the first Ipad as there was already android tablets out with cams before Ipad was released. Money, that's what its all about. Apple n all their minor upgrades to phone....sucking money out of people thinkn its some Ol new groundbreaking tech. IPhone, iPhone 3g, iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4, iphone4s. All minor refreshes of each other basically. Adding just a little tl new version to make it look enticing. Even ipad2 is a minor refresh to ipad1. That's why I never got an ipad2. It wasn't worth it. Not enough new features or anything groundbreaking. Plus the more powerful processor n ipad2 was b.s. my ipad1 plays all the same stuff and any of the very few, even still, optimized apps or games for ipad2 hardly look any better. Now ipad3 will be the true successor/upgrade to the original Ipad if rumours hold true of quad core and display. Supposedly even a curved screen. Who knows. Companies not going to build the best device they can that will last forever. They hold back to keep you coming back for the next latest greatest thing.
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MY prime runs fine on regular vipercontrol overclock and system tuner extra boost on top. PRIME WAS NEVER MEANT TO RUN WITH ALL 4 CORES MAXED AT 1.6ghz period..lol. even prime highest stock speed 1.4ghz, isn't even running on all 4 cores. Its just one. We are going into new territory with all of them maxed out to 1.6ghz.
PRIME runs fine ln either setup though. I don't get lag. Even stock performance mode runs the temp. Up so can't blame that persay to the overclock as its only natural temp will rise as faster speeds are reached. TEGRA3 chip can easily handle 1.6ghz on vioerboy overclock method. All cores maxed out also although no one has had prime long enough to see if any ill effects from it.
ASUS/nvidis didn't enable overclock speeds for money reasons. You have to remember Prime was designed n built by both Asus n Nvidia. Prime was the perfect testing ground for future tablets using tegra3. That's why Lenovo supposedly coming out with exact same chip except the 1.6ghz is enabled stock. HOW WOULD THAT look if prime came with 1.6ghz? Future tablets down the road would be frowned upon if come out several months later with same speed as prime. SO they basically the underclocked the Prime because its still, by far, the most powerful tablet'processor out today. So then newer tablets down the road can be like hey, I'm upgraded n faster n so on since I'm clocked faster. MONEY N longevity is the reason why prime was underclocked. SAME will be said for phones coming out with tegra3. Nvdia already said they will be underclocked lower than the tablets but will be even more optimized. Same reason why ipad1 didn't have cams. So apple could trick consumers n be like hey this new Ipad2 has came now. When it could've easily been implemented on the first Ipad as there was already android tablets out with cams before Ipad was released. Money, that's what its all about. Apple n all their minor upgrades to phone....sucking money out of people thinkn its some Ol new groundbreaking tech. IPhone, iPhone 3g, iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4, iphone4s. All minor refreshes of each other basically. Adding just a little tl new version to make it look enticing. Even ipad2 is a minor refresh to ipad1. That's why I never got an ipad2. It wasn't worth it. Not enough new features or anything groundbreaking. Plus the more powerful processor n ipad2 was b.s. my ipad1 plays all the same stuff and any of the very few, even still, optimized apps or games for ipad2 hardly look any better. Now ipad3 will be the true successor/upgrade to the original Ipad if rumours hold true of quad core and display. Supposedly even a curved screen. Who knows. Companies not going to build the best device they can that will last forever. They hold back to keep you coming back for the next latest greatest thing.
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They will have to up the frequency for 1920x1200 tablets. Otherwise they will be much slower than 1280x800 tablets with the same chip.
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They will have to up the frequency for 1920x1200 tablets. Otherwise they will be much slower than 1280x800 tablets with the same chip.
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This is simply not true. Graphics processing is fully capable right now on the tablet at higher resolutions than the screen shows. Simply plug your tablet into a TV via the HDMI connection and you'll see it display just fine.
My question is if anyone else experiencing this.
I know the cpu is not meant to run all cores at a constant 1.6GHz but i don't think it should be causing problems in the first minute or so. From my understanding the only ill effects reported from doing this is a drained battery. I have not heard of anyone else experiencing this.
What you think about this new ASUS produce??? Are they much better than PRIME? If you know of any good news about these tablets?
ASUS Transformer Pad 300 video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aup6PWKIoGE
ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXGPPRhDU7E
You can see produce specification on this link
so it begins...
whats the difference??
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You can also see it here on this thread started a week ago. Both devices were announced at MWC so you're a little late. There's already a discussion thread specifically on the Infinity. Search is and always will be your friend.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1522350
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whats the difference??
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well the 300 model is direct replacement for original transformer. it will have a tegra3 chip but clocked at a lower top speed than prime. its speed will be 1.2Ghz. it will have 1280x800 IPS bit not Super IPS+ like in prime. so display not as good. it will have smaller storage space as it will only be available in 16Gb model. its a great device if you looking for a low end model. price will be cheaper than prime. forgot to add it will have no flash for the rear cam and be made out of plastic instead of metal like prime. it does come in several different cool linking colors though. has a dock for it also its a low end model device.
the TF-700 aka Infinity pad is like a mini upgrade to the prime. this is like an HD model. the resolution I believe will be 1920x1200 super IPS+. so this will have a 1080P screen as the prime has a 720p HD screen. this is Asus highest end model after the Prime. this will be made out of metal also but will include a plastic strip up top on the back that is "said" to improve wireless performance. it will have a tegra3 clocked a lil higher.tegra3 chip also for the wifi only version. only available in 32 or 64gb versions. they improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam. there is also an LTE model that will use Qualcomm S4 chip. a dual core. only said to be coming to Europe at the moment. no statements been released on coming to u.s. although battery capacity has been increased on both models, its gets less battery life than the prime. infinity model will also have a dock for it. price starting at $599 for wifi model and probably $699 or higher for LTE model
both 300 and 700 look to be good devices. most I've seen commenting on it predict the Prime will be the best performing or have the most power based on its resolution and high speed of tegra3. the 700 will require alot of its power to push the higher resolution screen well. so the prime is probably better for gaming and other graphic intensive tasks in such. plus will more than likely score higher in benchmarks. BUT its all about choices now with Asus. so it just depends on how much you willing to spend. all seem to be great devices regardless.
I think 700 will have 1920x1200 res
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I think 700 will have 1920x1200 res
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you right..I edited my post to reflect it.
plus OP I have more videos of these tablets in my thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1522707
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well the 300 model is direct replacement for original transformer. it will have a tegra3 chip but clocked at a lower top speed than prime. its speed will be 1.2Ghz. it will have 1280x800 IPS bit not Super IPS+ like in prime. so display not as good. it will have smaller storage space as it will only be available in 16Gb model. its a great device if you looking for a low end model. price will be cheaper than prime. forgot to add it will have no flash for the rear cam and be made out of plastic instead of metal like prime. it does come in several different cool linking colors though. has a dock for it also its a low end model device.
the TF-700 aka Infinity pad is like a mini upgrade to the prime. this is like an HD model. the resolution I believe will be 1920x1080 super IPS+. so this will have a 1080P screen as the prime has a 720p HD screen. this is Asus highest end model after the Prime. this will be made out of metal also but will include a plastic strip up top on the back that is "said" to improve wireless performance. it will have a tegra3 clocked a lil higher.tegra3 chip also for the wifi only version. only available in 32 or 64gb versions. they improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam. there is also an LTE model that will use Qualcomm S4 chip. a dual core. only said to be coming to Europe at the moment. no statements been released on coming to u.s. although battery capacity has been increased on both models, its gets less battery life than the prime. infinity model will also have a dock for it. price starting at $599 for wifi model and probably $699 or higher for LTE model
both 300 and 700 look to be good devices. most I've seen commenting on it predict the Prime will be the best performing or have the most power based on its resolution and high speed of tegra3. the 700 will require alot of its power to push the higher resolution screen well. so the prime is probably better for gaming and other graphic intensive tasks in such. plus will more than likely score higher in benchmarks. BUT its all about choices now with Asus. so it just depends on how much you willing to spend. all seem to be great devices regardless.
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Transformer Pad 300 vs Transformer Prime:
1. IPS+ display - Useful when you use your tablet constantly from outdoors.. however, it also kills your battery.
Is that a plus or minus? Or Simply.. is it a gimmick? It's all about your user experience & choice on this one.
2. Plastic cover vs. Prime's Metallic cover - One (plastic cover).. in theory, will not have WIFI/GPS issue while the other (Prime) will have issues with WIFI/GPS. However, Prime's metallic back-plate does make Prime seem a bit more secure over Plastic.
Again, it is up to the user to decide if this merits "Premium" title.
3. 1.2 ghz vs 1.3 ghz - Does it really matter? 100mhz hardly makes any difference & you'll be able to overclock ... just like Prime.
4. 16 gig vs 32/64 gig - Prime easily trumps Pad 300 here.
5. NO flash support for Cam - "hey improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam"
You can take the same approach with FLASH here.
6. Price difference: Pad 300 = $399, Prime = $499, Infinity = $599+
Simply put, which is more appealing to you?
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7. DDR3 vs DDR2 - Pad 300 uses DDR3 & Prime uses DDR2 RAM.
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Transformer Pad 300 vs Transformer Prime:
1. IPS+ display - Useful when you use your tablet constantly from outdoors.. however, it also kills your battery.
Is that a plus or minus? Or Simply.. is it a gimmick? It's all about your user experience & choice on this one.
2. Plastic cover vs. Prime's Metallic cover - One (plastic cover).. in theory, will not have WIFI/GPS issue while the other (Prime) will have issues with WIFI/GPS. However, Prime's metallic back-plate does make Prime seem a bit more secure over Plastic.
Again, it is up to the user to decide if this merits "Premium" title.
3. 1.2 ghz vs 1.3 ghz - Does it really matter? 100mhz hardly makes any difference & you'll be able to overclock ... just like Prime.
4. 16 gig vs 32/64 gig - Prime easily trumps Pad 300 here.
5. NO flash support for Cam - "hey improved the front cam but so small an increment that won't notice difference between that n prime front cam"
You can take the same approach with FLASH here.
6. Price difference: Pad 300 = $399, Prime = $499, Infinity = $599+
Simply put, which is more appealing to you?
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7. DDR3 vs DDR2 - Pad 300 uses DDR3 & Prime uses DDR2 RAM.
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although this is true, it won't matter really what the user considers as Premium. this is what ASUS advertises the units as being. already been said by most who looked at 300 that its a lower end model. can't debate that because it is having less features. does it make the 300 not a good device? of course not. 300 is still a fully capable tablet that will be excellent for those who don't have the extra money to shell out for premium units like Prime and Infinity Pad. its all about choices and how much you willing to spend. plus some people don't like 16gb only models. even if it comes with microsd card it will still have lower Max storage capacity vs. prime and 700. also 300 model has the lowest battery life of all units.
as far as the super ips+, its a fact. it makes the display alot brighter. some people even use prime in this mode indoors because it makes color and screen pop out more. no way around the fact that it dramatically increases the brightness of display. that's why its included in 700 model also. so of course if you have a prime with superips+ off next to 300, display will look similar or the same. now cut on super ips+ mode on Prime and its night and day difference whose display looks better and brighter. doesn't take a rocket scientist to see dramatic increase in brightness and screen quality when super ips+ mode on. the screen pops out more with it on. everything looks that much more vibrant. plus a no brained that flash will dramatically increase picture and video quality. no flash means no nighttime or low light pix at all. having a flash means its possible. especially as more n more people use their tablets cam to take pictures and videos now. the prime takes excellent pictures n videos. very high quality. actually the best of any tablet out.
for the ram, yes the ddr3 is better. but the primes ddr2 is not regular anyway. lpddr2 Ram that's had it speed boosted over the regular ones or previous model. so the increase in speed isn't as dramatic between ddr3 n prime. plus the ram in prime handles everything fine. no issues in handling high quality tegra3 games n such. so it isn't a matter of which sounds more appealing. if we were to go that route overall, prime and Infinity pad is alot more appealing. once again though, who cares. its about price point and what the user wants or decides and has enough to spend.
so really who cares about the spec comparisons. its more about the price points. some don't have $499 or higher to shell out for prime or infinity pad. this is who the 300 will be mostly for. who cares if 300 has less features n lower specs then other models. its still going to be a good device regardless. that's what its all about in the end.
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although this is true, it won't matter really what the user considers as Premium. this is what ASUS advertises the units as being. already been said by most who looked at 300 that its a lower end model. can't debate that because it is having less features. does it make the 300 not a good device? of course not. 300 is still a fully capable tablet that will be excellent for those who don't have the extra money to shell out for premium units like Prime and Infinity Pad. its all about choices and how much you willing to spend. plus some people don't like 16gb only models. even if it comes with microsd card it will still have lower Max storage capacity vs. prime and 700. also 300 model has the lowest battery life of all units.
as far as the super ips+, its a fact. it makes the display alot brighter. some people even use prime in this mode indoors because it makes color and screen pop out more. no way around the fact that it dramatically increases the brightness of display. that's why its included in 700 model also. so of course if you have a prime with superips+ off next to 300, display will look similar or the same. now cut on super ips+ mode on Prime and its night and day difference whose display looks better and brighter. doesn't take a rocket scientist to see dramatic increase in brightness and screen quality when super ips+ mode on. the screen pops out more with it on. everything looks that much more vibrant.
so really who cares about the spec comparisons. its more about the price points. some don't have $499 or higher to shell out for prime or infinity pad. this is who the 300 will be mostly for. who cares if 300 has less features n lower specs then other models. its still going to be a good device regardless. that's what its all about in the end.
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First of all, I only made that comment or comparison because you came off as if PRIME is the "it" tablet amongst the three. So, I took a different take from your statement.
Now, to reply to the bold txt:
1. It absolutely matters what the "USER" considers as premium. After all, the user is paying for the device based on what the "user" thinks of as premium. And by "most" consider Pad 300 as lower end.. are you going by Media.. or based on xda forum? As far as xda forum goes, I'm not sure if "MOST" agree or think it is lower end. Some believe Pad 300 is what PRIME should be & some even think it's the better device since in "theory", it won't have all the WIFI/GPS issue on WIFI only device.
2. Sure, and I agree. IPS+ def. makes PRIME display to be brighter. However, it is also a known fact that IPS+ display/mode kills the battery life. So, all I did was.. ask a question to the "user". Which is more important... "battery life" or "better display but with much shorter duration in battery life?". IPS+ doesn't.. as far as I can tell or know.. improve the viewing angles or anything.
So.. to a user.. IPS+ can just be a gimmick as well (or very nice option).
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First of all, I only made that comment or comparison because you came off as if PRIME is the "it" tablet amongst the three. So, I took a different take from your statement.
Now, to reply to the bold txt:
1. It absolutely matters what the "USER" considers as premium. After all, the user is paying for the device based on what the "user" thinks of as premium. And by "most" consider Pad 300 as lower end.. are you going by Media.. or based on xda forum? As far as xda forum goes, I'm not sure if "MOST" agree or think it is lower end. Some believe Pad 300 is what PRIME should be & some even think it's the better device since in "theory", it won't have all the WIFI/GPS issue on WIFI only device.
2. Sure, and I agree. IPS+ def. makes PRIME display to be brighter. However, it is also a known fact that IPS+ display/mode kills the battery life. So, all I did was.. ask a question to the "user". Which is more important... "battery life" or "better display but with much shorter duration in battery life?". IPS+ doesn't.. as far as I can tell or know.. improve the viewing angles or anything.
So.. to a user.. IPS+ can just be a gimmick as well (or very nice option).
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Fair enough. Bit what's determines a device to be premium is what's included in the features and specs. Can't deny prime has more features n specs. Can't deny that the Infinity Pad has more features n specs higher than all of them. So until a cheaper tablet comes out than the 300 from Asus, 300 IS the lowend one. Plus the fact of 300 only available in 16gb version will not be liked by alot. It does have SD card. But will never have as much mAx capacity as infinity pad or prime. Even Asus themselves St MWC and CES advertises the 300 as a lower end device along with the media. Alot here have said so also. The prime isn't the "It" tablet. But its one of the top 2 tablets in Asus line of tablets. With the infinity pad being top model with its HD screen.
Plus I haven't seen anyone say the 300 is what the prime should've been..lmfao. if anything its the infinity pad. Because infinity pad is an upgrade to Prime. 300 is a downgrade to prime. I doubt we will see that many people at all selling prime to get the 300. If anything prime owners might upgrade to tf-700. Hence the word upgrade. Going to lowered featured n spec device IS a downgrade
You have valid points though aside from the 300 being what the prime should've been..lol that.made me laugh. I'm sure all spec comparisons have been made now so we can just let people decide based on what they see, learn, and how much they want to spend..
shinzz said:
1. IPS+ display - Useful when you use your tablet constantly from outdoors.. however, it also kills your battery.
Is that a plus or minus? Or Simply.. is it a gimmick? It's all about your user experience & choice on this one.
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Well, it's certainly not a gimmick. I like to use my tablet on my back porch when it's warm and sunny outside (which is often here in SoCal). I can use my Prime comfortably, whereas my original Transformer was useless. Like you said, it's very much a user preference thing, but if you need to use your tablet in direct sunlight, the Prime as a clear advantage over anything else on the market.
I'll second your comment about the battery: mine absolutely KILLS the battery on IPS+ mode. Burns about 30%/hour, so would last about 3.5 hours total. The good thing is I don't spend that much time in direct sunlight (bad for the skin and all).
I'll note that you also get a benefit when not in direct sunlight but still a more well-lit area. There's a good brightness range between the typical tablet's 400 or so nits and the Prime's 600 or so nits--just turn on IPS+ mode and set the brightness manually.
If the pad 300 and the prime came out at the same time. It would be no doubt that the pad 300 will outsell the prime. As for premium? Cant tell you which one of the two is currently. Pad 300 isnt out yet and the prime surely missed its mark as "primed for perfection." You can say the prime has more to offer, but if Asus cant fix all their problems with the prime. Its not really a premium tablet if you cant even use the tablet without the known issues of the prime.
The question is why is there a jump from the TF201, Pad 300, and the infinity 700? Are we gonna see a pad 500 or a pad 600 down the road with a watered down version of the pad 700?
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Well, it's certainly not a gimmick.
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Whether it's a gimmick or not doesn't matter if it helps Asus sell more tablets. If people don't care, and buy competitors tablets, than Asus inflated their costs for no reason. The keyboard dock was supposed to be a "killer feature" but Asus, Acer, and Motorola are all within a point of market share of each other. So unless Asus would have sold fewer tablets than Motorola and Acer had it not been for the keyboard, you could debate whether or not the "feature" mattered enough to move the needle. Are Sense, TW, and MotoBlur "gimmicks" and do people really choose one phone over another seeking a specific overlay out? Sense is the "coolest" but the SGS2 outsold the Sensation 4:1. And a lot of you don't like SAMOLED because of the exaggerated colors but voting with their wallets the general populous seems to disagree. Some features (gimmicks) resonate, and others are just meh.
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The question is why is there a jump from the TF201, Pad 300, and the infinity 700? Are we gonna see a pad 500 or a pad 600 down the road with a watered down version of the pad 700?
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We see three tablets and are deeply analyzing their differences. The public and Asus see three 10.1" ICS/Teg3 tablets at three different price points. As long as Asus feels it's wise to offer $399, $499, and $599 tablets, they will. If it's too many, or resellers ***** at carrying nine different 10.1” Asus tablets and corresponding docks, they won't. And how they get to $399, $499, and $599 tomorrow may not look anything like it does today. They could kill a price point completely or narrow the devices they need to produce to two by up or down contenting an existing model. Asus doesn’t need to produce three distinct devices in order to offer three different base price points. They'll go with whatever sells the most tablets and costs the least to do it. We're passionate about devices, to manufacturers and resellers they're just SKU's.
And riddle me this? If the TF200, TF300, and TF700 all overlapped in development, why isn't the Prime the TF300 and vice versa?
P.S. - I'm just using your quote junrider, this isn't directed at you or anyone in particular.
Biggest difference I think is the use of more plastic, which shows asus knows their aluminum backing is causing the issues in wifi/gps reception.
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Biggest difference I think is the use of more plastic, which shows asus knows their aluminum backing is causing the issues in wifi/gps reception.
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exact same aluminum backing is used on the TF-700 aka infinity pad also. except it has a plastic strip that runs across the top of back. which degrades look of device but said to improve wireless performance.
only the 300 uses all plastic back.
So any word if the tf201 dock supports the infinity?
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So any word if the tf201 dock supports the infinity?
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so far the word is every device will have its own dock. meaning each device has to use its own matching dock.
If I'm interpreting Asus/using my eyes correctly, the backs on the Prime and Infinity are identical except the small strip of plastic at the top of the Infinity, right? I don't know where the "plastic back of the Infinity will be less durable" is coming from?
That aside, will the Infinity have DDR3 RAM or DDR2 like the Prime?
Dang sucks because I did finally get the dock but I guess together prime (32GB)+dock might fetch 550$?
Or just give this to my dad and buy the infinity.
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I read the review on Engadget for the One X.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/02/htc-one-x-review/
Scroll down to the performance chart to see that even though this uses Tegra 3, it significantly outperforms the prime. Is there a reason for this? Is the processor really the same?
Yes, those were interesting results. I tried to run Quadrant to see what's up, and it crashes during the 3D graphics portion. So, yeah. I have a feeling there are some issues with this build (and perhaps .15), because I pretty much can't play ANY games without crashing.
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I read the review on Engadget for the One X.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/02/htc-one-x-review/
Scroll down to the performance chart to see that even though this uses Tegra 3, it significantly outperforms the prime. Is there a reason for this? Is the processor really the same?
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Not just the processor has influence in the score you know, the prime is known for having really poor sdcard performance something to do with the scheduling. Also the newer batches of tegra 3 are made from a different small process or something like that which makes them for efficient at lower clock speeds and such.
I like to see someone do i/o performance benchmarks on non Prime Tegra 3s.
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Not just the processor has influence in the score you know, the prime is known for having really poor sdcard performance something to do with the scheduling. Also the newer batches of tegra 3 are made from a different small process or something like that which makes them for efficient at lower clock speeds and such.
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That does not explain why the TFP suck so badly in LinPack. It's like ASUS have disabled 2 of the 4 cores in Android.
Just FYI, I ran Vellamo on mine and got 1439. Still not as good as the One X, but better than the results in the spreadsheet. Oh, and 1797 on SunSpider, also closer to the One X.
Okay, just ran Linpack, and the highest score was 134.92. Interestingly, scores were all over the place, from a low around 54 to that high score. Looks like the Tegra 3 is being pretty selective in how it applies the cores when put under the kind of load that Linpack exerts.
another flawed benchmark testing. engadget even explained it. for starters Vellamo benchmark is b.s. you want to know why? because qualcomm themselves make it so it will always favor qualcomm chips. Engadget and Anandtech said that themselves. OK. now that's out the way lets get to the rest. In the other benchmarks, you have to remember that the u.s. verson of the HTC one has alot lower screen resolution than the international One X version with tegra3 clocked @ 1.5Ghz. So anytime you try to run a same benchmark on 2 devices with different resolutions, the lower one will usually outperform, as far as in benchmarks, the other(as long as it has a decent processor). Because it has less work to do. it doesn't have to push as high of a resolution. In other words it wasn't an equal playing field doing the benchmarks. Now if the One X had the lower resolution the same as the One S, results would be very different favoring the Tegra3 version. Simple as that, plus the HTC One X is considered by HTC themselves to be the top model. then comes the one S in second. The One X has the superior screen resolution, quality and size than the one S. the X version has like a 4.7in. floated to one S 4.3 in. The One X has the Super LCD2 screen compared to One S SuperAmoled and yes the SuperLCD2 was considered superior to the suoeramoled screen. colors are more natural and whites are whiter on Superlcd2 screen. read the tech reviews if you think otherwise. Then the One X has alot higher resolution also.
Don't get me wrong, both versions are great. Both chips are great also. But those 2 phones benchmarking against each other is seriously flawed. not an equal playing field. Screen resolution seriously affects the scoring. only one I believe not affected as much by those two things will be browsing or sunspider results. Anything graphics wise or anything else is seriously affected negatively by the device with higher screen resolution and larger screen. Its chip has to work harder to push those specs.
Now you want a real head to head battle of the 2 chips that will be a real even playing field, wait till both versions of the Infinity Pad aka tf-700 comes out. one is wifi version and other is LTE version. Both versions will have exact same screen resolution. So each version having a different chip and benchmarked against each other will tell the REAL story of who performs better and gives better battery life. ill wait till then, any other benchmarks comparing the 2 chips will be flawed until tf-700 arrives.
plus here's another reason not to always believe those tech sites benchmarks. They show the HTC One S, with S4 snapdragon chip scoring 5,053 in Quadrant. Well here is my QuAdrant score not even after a fresh reboot. I scored alot higher scoring over 5,200. here's the kicker, that's with my prime having higher resolution. I could easily run those other tests also and beat the one S scores but you should see the point with this one: TEGRA3 IN DA HOUSE! then we have others who even scored higher than me(the ones with 1.8Ghz overclock). plus I have a sunspider one also that blows that One S one away by a large margin. I can pull that up also if needed
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demandarin, you beat me to it, well said! People have to remember the other factors involved when comparing two devices using the same chipset. Also, benchmakrs are now coming to the point of being rather usless, they are either biased towards one type of CPU, they don't stress a certain cpu as much (dual core versus quad core) etc. I base the ability of a chip on its real world performace.
Screen size does not affect performance. Screen resolution, yes; size, no.
It takes the same amount of CPU/GPU power to drive a 5in screen as it does a 3.5in if they both had, say, a 640x480 resolution.
The battery on the other hand...
Pretty much what else you said applies.
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Screen size does not affect performance. Screen resolution, yes; size, no.
It takes the same amount of CPU/GPU power to drive a 5in screen as it does a 3.5in if they both had, say, a 640x480 resolution.
The battery on the other hand...
Pretty much what else you said applies.
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OK, screen resolution. its makes a HUGE difference in scoring. ill edit post to remove screen size. but check out my quadrant score and that's with alot higher resolution. still beating out the One S S4 snapdragon chip.
The question here isn't around the processor in the One S vs. the Tegra 3, but rather the difference in results between the Tegra 3 in the One X and the Tegra 3 in the Prime. The results in the article make one question why our Primes are performing so poorly in comparison.
My own testing, however, shows that the results in the story are off (although I can't run Quadrant to compare), and if the Tegra 3 in the One X is 1.5GHz, then that might explain the difference from my results.
I did find my Linpack scores interesting because they're so inconsistent...
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In the other benchmarks, you have to remember that the u.s. verson of the HTC one has alot lower screen resolution than the international One X version with tegra3 clocked @ 1.5Ghz. So anytime you try to run a same benchmark on 2 devices with different resolutions, the lower one will usually outperform, as far as in benchmarks, the other(as long as it has a decent processor). Because it has less work to do.
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The Linpack benchmark has nothing at all to do with screen resolution so the graphics excuse does not apply there. The Linpack benchmarks are a measure of a system's floating point computing power. In that test the dual core One-S was over twice as fast as the quad core One-X, and almost 50% faster on the multithreaded benchmark, where one would normally expect the quad core to outperform.
I dont know what engadget did with the prime test?
- forgot to put it on performance mode?
- only 1 test instead of multpiple tests (and calculating the average)?
- background tasks in progress?
- test on honeycomb?
my results (i did 3 to 5 runs per application), still somewhat lower than the one x, but not as bad as in the engadget tests...
Linpack single thread: 50-55
Linpack multi thread: 100-150
Quadrant: 4500-5300
Nenamark2: 50-55
Vellamo: 1450-1700
Sunspider: 1800-1900
and well, the one-s, it was expected to be a beast, the a15 architecture blows the a9 away, also on 2 cores. simple as that.
my Quadrant beating out the One S chip. my score 5,201 to One S 5,053
My sunspider killing One S results by a large margin. remember lower is better. One S 1742.5ms to my Tegra3 1338.4ms.
my nenamark1 score 60.3 to one S 60.8 ..minute difference
I couldn't do linpack because it kept saying inconsistent results and inaccurate data. uninstalled that b.s.
didn't have time to do other benches.
Differences --
1) The TF Prime is stock clocked at 1.3/1.4 Ghz and the HTC One X Global is stock clocked at 1.5Ghz (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_One_X ; http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one-x/#specs )
2) There is a slight handicap in resolution (to the extent a test is constrained by that), though it is marginal:
1280 x 720 = 921,600
1280x800 = 1,024,000
Difference = 11%
3) Kernel/clock stepping/core switching/power gating differences?
Maybe the One X is running a different version of the nVidia code responsible maintaining how aggressive or conservative the stepping/core switching, etc. is. One thing I've noticed from the One X reviews is that the battery life didn't really impress reviewers.
On the contrary, reviewers praised the battery life on the TF Prime, and test even showed that it was competitive with the iPad2 and notably better than the original Transformer.
The fact that battery life is a bigger issue on the One X may reveal that in addition to the clock speed, maybe the processor is more aggressive about maxing out the clock and more conservative with switching to the smaller core.
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my Quadrant beating out the One S chip. my score 5,201 to One S 5,053
My sunspider killing One S results by a large margin. remember lower is better. One S 1742.5ms to my Tegra3 1338.4ms.
I couldn't do linpack because it kept saying inconsistent results and inaccurate data. uninstalled that b.s.
ill add the other benches in this post shortly
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In your previous post you wrote that you can't compare device with different screen resolution and other difference.. And now you are doing the same thing.
Use stock browser when running Sunspider not Opera.. Pretty sure that they were using the stock browsers in Engadet tests.
Asus Prime & Tapatalk
Andreas527 said:
In your previous post you wrote that you can't compare device with different screen resolution and other difference.. And now you are doing the same thing.
Use stock browser when running Sunspider not Opera.. Pretty sure that they were using the stock browsers in Engadet tests.
Asus Prime & Tapatalk
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yes, but just did them anyway to show those One S scores can be beat. so imagine if we were at the same resolution my scores would be alot higher.
stock browser sux BTW..lol. I can do one with that also n beat it out. maybe later
Im waiting for my HTC one X to arrive this week
But seriously its tuned to 1.5 Ghz and also.... its a phone! MUCH SMALLER less power to spend, isn't it just physics and logic?
Have a good night everyone!
This is BS. I remember that my TFP gave around 5000 in quadrant on 9.4.2.15. On .21 it is crashing. However, you should worry about the Q4 snapdragon processor which claims to beat tegra 3 being a dual core processor!!!!
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Cue the benchmark pissing contests. Have fun with your waterworks!