Noob here.
Just ordered/purchased a N2A 32gb card for my NT. Anything I should know before it ships?
Thanks.
no, there is nothing special to note
(like what specifically do you think may go wrong)?
I have no idea what to expect lol. That's why I'm asking.
I got the NT in January, and it has since up-dated to 1.4.1, so I didn't know if that would become an issue. Or if any other glitches are out there.
I'm fairly adept at muddling my way through technical things, but I have been known to have to call my son when I've muddled to much.
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Depends on who you got it from! Hope you bought it from Albertwertz or one of the developers here which made it all possible...there's folks out there making a buck on their backs!
Good luck...post questions here...make sure to check unknown sources, both USB debugging boxes and disable OTA updates (download Hidden Settings App from Android Market to do this if your card doesn't already do this for you). If no instructions with your card lots of helpful videos on youtube by Albertwertz on assorted stuff or read through development threads. Note you need the latest Hidden Settings app from the market (I.e., update what is provided, if given this app and it doesn't offer these options.....fairly recent updates which may not be included in the app on your card depending on where you got it! Also, back up ur stuff first!
Yes support developers here, N2A take others work and get the profit.
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I have no intention of purchasing a card from n2a, but I do have one question I can't seem to find the answer to.
It looks like they have mastered a way to boot and run entirely from the card and not touch the tablet software. How are they able to do this without rooting the device. If they can do it, it seems like there should be a way for anyone to do this without going through n2a.
BTW, I did contact them about bluetooth and was told that they still haven't figured out a way to turn it on yet.
Tel864 said:
I have no intention of purchasing a card from n2a, but I do have one question I can't seem to find the answer to.
It looks like they have mastered a way to boot and run entirely from the card and not touch the tablet software. How are they able to do this without rooting the device. If they can do it, it seems like there should be a way for anyone to do this without going through n2a.
BTW, I did contact them about bluetooth and was told that they still haven't figured out a way to turn it on yet.
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It all resides on the bootloader and kernel first bootloader needed to be cracked in order to advance the development for this device now you see that we even have a new kernel 3.0 made from scratch. N2A not capable enough i think. We lost loglud because of N2A, he said he will not post anything else in this forum.
About the Bluetooth and other "missing" things is just a matter of time, devs have to figure it out many things like drivers, the lack/incomplete drivers to make things to work as they should and that was in purpose by B&N. Hopefully fattire find the missing code in order to make Bluetooth work.
~ Veronica
N2a cards are like the blood diamonds of the nook android dev community
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Hi All - 1st time poster and new to the Nook world. I'm very impressed with all of you on here...great stuff and it shows a lot of hard work and dedication.
I don't want to hi-jack the OP but I do have a question that is related.
Just received my refurb NC the other day and I plan to go the CM7 route by way of SD card. I do have the opportunity to swap the NC (AT NO COST) for a NT. I would plan on using CM7 on the Tablet as well by way of SD card.
The question is, do you recommend keeping the NC or swapping it for the NT?
Thanks in advance all!
IMPORTANT EDIT: This swap would be for an 8GB NT NOT the 16GB variety.
Swap. NT has much better hardware. Cm7 works wonderfully on it and it will only continue to get better. Can't stress the difference in hardware enough. Night and day.
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Swap. NT has much better hardware. Cm7 works wonderfully on it and it will only continue to get better. Can't stress the difference in hardware enough. Night and day.
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Tel864 said:
I have no intention of purchasing a card from n2a, but I do have one question I can't seem to find the answer to.
It looks like they have mastered a way to boot and run entirely from the card and not touch the tablet software. How are they able to do this without rooting the device. If they can do it, it seems like there should be a way for anyone to do this without going through n2a.
BTW, I did contact them about bluetooth and was told that they still haven't figured out a way to turn it on yet.
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The only way they have gotten ANYTHING is by following XDA developers. Of course "they" haven't figured out bluetooth...because XDA developers haven't figures out bluetooth. As soon as an XDA dev finds a cure for bluetooth...they will conveniently get theirs working as well. These people are freakin leeches and making a profit off of XDA devs by selling their work. (while you are "paying for the sdcard")
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These people are freakin leeches and making a profit off of XDA devs by selling their work. (while you are "paying for the sdcard")
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They can only make money if you hand them the money.
There are many users out there who are either not tech savvy enough to muck around with experimental stuff themselves, or just don't have the time of keeping up with all the progresses XDA developers make here. Those users don't mind paying for the convenience and support.
I'm one of those that paid a bit just to get the convenience and support....
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I'm one of those that paid a bit just to get the convenience and support....
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Support. Yea, there's no support on XDA. I mean, the CM7 support thread is only on page 59.
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The only way they have gotten ANYTHING is by following XDA developers. Of course "they" haven't figured out bluetooth...because XDA developers haven't figures out bluetooth. As soon as an XDA dev finds a cure for bluetooth...they will conveniently get theirs working as well. These people are freakin leeches and making a profit off of XDA devs by selling their work. (while you are "paying for the sdcard")
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Agreed. There are plently of users around here that maybe aren't considered "recognized developers" but are capable and willing to give support and solve problems, that's what a community's all about.
Read the threads, learn, and pass it on. Support the developers by donating or just hitting the Thanks button, instead of throwing money at leeches. Okay, rant over, haha.
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They can only make money if you hand them the money.
There are many users out there who are either not tech savvy enough to muck around with experimental stuff themselves, or just don't have the time of keeping up with all the progresses XDA developers make here. Those users don't mind paying for the convenience and support.
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Then why bother with the NT in the first place? Why not just throw money at Apple, or Samsung or Asus and have a convenient tablet with a stock rom and kernel and lots of in-place support?
At least with that scenario, the money goes to hardware development, instead of to middlemen, profiting off of other's work.
Not to mention, "tech-savvy" (i hate that phrase, btw), is an acquired trait. Nobody on here came out of the womb with a knack for android development. They read, they learned, they experimented. Is a similar willingness to learn too much to ask from people, who of their own volition, pointed their browser at a development forum ( emphasis on development)?
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there is a phrase that say like this:
Why to buy a smartphone if you're not smart
Birdsbeaks said:
Then why bother with the NT in the first place? Why not just throw money at Apple, or Samsung or Asus...
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Because none of those products are 7" and ~$250 (or less)?
Durp
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Because none of those products are 7" and ~$250 (or less)?
Durp
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Well, there is the galaxy tab 7, and the galaxy note as far as form factor goes.
The cost, is exactly my point. How does it make sense to buy a +/- $200 tablet, and then, instead of following some simple well written (and filmed) step by step tutorials, to fork over more money to a company for what is essentially a very overpriced sd card?
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Okay, so someone from Samsung is going to be callig me soon. I assume it's related to #NeverAgain.
What would you guys want to know, or tell, samsung?
If I agree (maybe even if I do not) I will ask them.
EDIT - UPDATE:
Okay, I have finished the call. I hit on every topic from this thread/my twitter. I am very limited with what I can say RIGHT NOW though. I do feel that (& hopefully) shortly a lot of good will come from all of this.
I am NOT willing to throw my hands in the air and yell "hooray," but the Olive Branch is absolutely extended and this has the potential to be a huge win for the community, and Samsung.
I do feel this is less a PR move and more that our collective voice was heard. I really hope that is the case anyway. Still a little ways to go.... but I have to applaud them for their efforts so far, even though everything else they've done to this point has been a let down in my eyes.
I hate I solicited your Q's, and am unable to give answers... just wanted to let you guys know what I could say, and that I left the call a bit optimistic, hope that helps some.
Why the lack of support for us vibrant owners? What did we do besides buy millions of your phones?
You will need to be as clear as possible... hard to yell lack of support when froyo and source are available now. Granted it was slow and done terribly.. both the misleading deadlines AND the lack of an OTA.
Gingerbread or at least 2.2.1
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s15274n said:
You will need to be as clear as possible... hard to yell lack of support when froyo and source are available now. Granted it was slow and done terribly.. both the misleading deadlines AND the lack of an OTA.
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Ok. Why the delay on froyo? Also why not an OTA update? Just seemed like the threw us a bone to shut us up with the kies update?
Tell them we need an easy way to get our problems through.. Some type out forum or a public way to brainstorm ideas.. Maybe you can get a job out of this..
Rfs has to go.. It cripples the device.. Ext4 has been proven a better file system.. An aosp build that we choose to flash if wanted.. Maybe through kies.. A metal back we can buy to give our phones that weight we always wanted..
Awesome, plese keep the good ideas going...
How about a definitive answer on the choice of rfs over ext4?
I know we have ext4 on our own, but im just curious as to why they made the decision in the first place.
Anything else? Call is happening shortly.
why don't we have the drivers source? Also will we be getting gingerbread?
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why don't we have the drivers source? Also will we be getting gingerbread?
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Yeah, driver source was on my list, though I think I know the answer.
I'll report back. Keep adding.
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why don't we have the drivers source? Also will we be getting gingerbread?
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I think that's the question most people are gonna want an answer to. Something tells me they aren't going to be able to tell you much, but Ill hold out hope.
We at XDA are a completely different type of customer. We like good specs, but we also like to be able to tinker with our phones. Currently, HTC is the most XDA friendly. If Samsung gave us the tools we needed, wed have no reason to switch up phones. We already have some of the best hardware, we just want great software to go with it.
Ask them if they are in a service business and not just a hardware business any more. As soon as they started provided hardware that needs updates, they need to provide those updates to keep their customers happy.
Also ask them if they are planning on inviting the XDA developers to their development tree so that we don't have to get leaked source code but can get it straight from Samsung. Maybe if we sign a waver that we take responsibility for our own actions. To be adults.
Also ask if they are going to allow critical feedback on their website of their devices and not censor them to only accept good feedback?
please tell these Nazis to make an option for the incoming call volume delay. it drives me nuts
OP updated. Sorry but I was asked to not share a lot of what we discussed, and I will listen to that demand.
I will say I feel like this is a potentially great thing. Here is hoping that all parties can find a mutual ground and we will all benefit.
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OP updated. Sorry but I was asked to not share a lot of what we discussed, and I will listen to that demand.
I will say I feel like this is a potentially great thing. Here is hoping that all parties can find a mutual ground and we will all benefit.
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I understand that you can't reveal anything, but Id say if the guy that spearheaded the NeverAgain campaign is satisfied with the conversation, things should be much brighter in the future.
I see that SGS variants are the first Android devices that brought Samsung a major success in smartphone battles, and obviously they were not ready to deal with all sorts of demands. I am happy to see them reaching out to their customers and to see a work in progress.
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... if the guy that spearheaded the NeverAgain campaign is satisfied with the conversation, things should be much brighter in the future.
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I'm cautiously optimistic. This could easily dissolve into nothing, or it could be a genuine game changer. The ball is in Samsung's court, but others will have a large impact on the outcome too (no names).
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OP updated. Sorry but I was asked to not share a lot of what we discussed, and I will listen to that demand.
I will say I feel like this is a potentially great thing. Here is hoping that all parties can find a mutual ground and we will all benefit.
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Ok since they have chosen you to discuss....... That is nice of them,
BUT, WHEN is this going to happen? This is the third or forth iteration of "Dangling the carrot" telling us something wonderful is coming........
Did you ask about the time line ?
I recently posted a thread on how I can start programming geared towards the mobile platforms.
I would like to develop apps for more than one mobile platform. However I just have access to an Android device (SE Xperia X10), iPhone 4, and an iPad 2.
Smartphones are not like candies, that you can go pickup at a cheap store.
I mean how and where can I and other people who want to develop apps for specific platforms get free phones for testing and using the apps we develop?
The emulator that is included with the SDKs are not always the best way to test.
Any suggestions? All help is appreciated
EDIT: Forgot to mention that recently Windows Phone called over WebOS developers to develop applications on the WP platform, and Windows gave the developers free devices. But there are not many WebOS devs out there..
You can always nag at google for a nexus. Other than that, make your app, use revenue for phones.
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Smokeey said:
You can always nag at google for a nexus. Other than that, make your app, use revenue for phones.
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Thanks a lot, bumping for more suggestions.
Another way is to show your work off to other devices communities here on xda and maybe ask them them to "donate a device" in return for you developing for their specific device. If 10-20 ppl within a community pitch in atleast $10, that's $100-$200 that can be used towards purchasing a reburbished phone on amazon, or ebay. I've seen some phones go for $50-$80 (given they have had ESN's, etc.) But usually I dnt think you need a phone in service to develop for it, unless the app (or whatever your developing) strictly requires you to have service on it to fully test
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Another way is to show your work off to other devices communities here on xda and maybe ask them them to "donate a device" in return for you developing for their specific device. If 10-20 ppl within a community pitch in atleast $10, that's $100-$200 that can be used towards purchasing a reburbished phone on amazon, or ebay. I've seen some phones go for $50-$80 (given they have had ESN's, etc.) But usually I dnt think you need a phone in service to develop for it, unless the app (or whatever your developing) strictly requires you to have service on it to fully test
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Thanks a lot man. Not sure if someone would want a specific app by donating a device. Donating few amount of money by a few people would work. But I'll prefer to get a whole device free from, say a company.
I dont think its worth that much, for community members to put their money in.
Thanks a lot, ZA
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Thanks a lot man. Not sure if someone would want a specific app by donating a device. Donating few amount of money by a few people would work. But I'll prefer to get a whole device free from, say a company.
I dont think its worth that much, for community members to put their money in.
Thanks a lot, ZA
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Well, I guess it would depend on if your app is in high demand or not, would be the deciding factor in whether people are willing to donate to you.
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Why don't you try writing X company and ask them. Its not uncommon for them to do this, but im sure they aren't giving out phones to anybody. Why don't you get some credentials under your belt before asking though. Its like asking a company to buy and sponsor an f1 car for you but you don't even know how to put air in the tires on a go cart.
I voided my warranty.
Why don't you just build an App first for your available phones? Then if someone gets interested they might donate to you.
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Thanks Everyone for your suggestions. I really appreciate it.
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Why don't you just build an App first for your available phones? Then if someone gets interested they might donate to you.
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I just have one Android phone and its not working. Thanks though.
The good news is that the emulators are actually pretty good. They are not a perfect substitute for on device testing, but I have found very few bugs/behaviors that were different on the emulator than on a device.
If you just are sure to test your layouts on all of your supported screen sizes, you should be ok. There is good, up-to-date information on what devices are out in the wild, provided by google: Platform Versions/Screen Sizes.
Do the best that you can, release your app, and watch for feedback from owner's of devices other than yours.
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The good news is that the emulators are actually pretty good. They are not a perfect substitute for on device testing, but I have found very few bugs/behaviors that were different on the emulator than on a device.
If you just are sure to test your layouts on all of your supported screen sizes, you should be ok. There is good, up-to-date information on what devices are out in the wild, provided by google: Platform Versions/Screen Sizes.
Do the best that you can, release your app, and watch for feedback from owner's of devices other than yours.
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Yes I guess I will have to use emulators for now. Thanks a lot man.
Just for the record. HP has currently stopped the loaning of developer phones.
I want HTC to give me an EVO 3D or a Sensation for development
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I want HTC to give me an EVO 3D or a Sensation for development
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If you guys get a link Please Post!
I'd like a Development phone also....
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If you guys get a link Please Post!
I'd like a Development phone also....
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I wish we could get a link. Who wouldn't want a free development device?
i think most of the posters in this thread just want a free device. and keep adding the adjective "development" in front of it like it's cool or something.
Try some developer contests. Microsoft still has some offering Windows Phone as prizes.
This is a 3-year-old thread
Pushing this up since I'm a student and the prices for high-end devices now are quite high. I would like to develop for the community, but the bottleneck is that I can only stick to my poor abused Nexus 4
There's lots of devices out there, tablets, wearables, but I don't have the budget to buy them and use for testing, especially that new techs come out so often and upgrading to to-date devices is quite costly.
What do you guys think? Any success story here?
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Devs: Anyone have the same feeling that Samsung devices are most troublesome (kindof)? Always getting complaints from Samsung users...
I just went the tried and true (yet probably the hardest) way and attempted to contact manufacturers directly. Still trying to work with several. Hopefully things work out.
English isn't my first language, otherwise I'd write one myself.
I'm looking for a good english writer to write a petition to B&N to provide the development community with an ability to access the bootloader and root the device.
I think main points should be that they've made a lot of money by allowing people to mod original NC, and that this will greatly increase the interest in purchasing the NT. Also, worth mentioning some examples of devices like Captivate that really benefited from custom community development (improved GPS, fixed many bugs, early GB port, etc).
Basically persuade B&N to support and appreciate development community and give us means to develop for them.
Needless to mention, only use words like "develop", "improve", etc... not "hack" and "crack" lol.
Here's the site I found where we can collect signatures:
http://www.makeuseof.com/dir/petitionspotcom/
POST IT HERE first, then we'll go and make it official.
PS: before anybody goes all "they ain't gonna listen yo" - let me remind you of Samsung's support to SuperCurio about improving Galaxy S's sound processing. After community asked Samsung, they actually provided full support and helped SuperCurio improve the device.
Providing a device and documentation is VERY different from unlocking a bootloader, unfortunately...
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Providing a device and documentation is VERY different from unlocking a bootloader, unfortunately...
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Indeed, but I think my point remains - this is another avenue of "attack" to get B&N to support us.
Our hackers are approaching this from technical side, I want to try and help and organize a line of communication with B&N and see if we can get them to help us.
Get your petition up and I'll sign! I was going to get a NT but now I'm not so sure. If it can't run from a dual booting SD card, it's just not worth it. Might as well pony up and get a "real" tablet.
Assuming the bootloader is proven to be locked, I'm simply taking mine back. The apps I use on the Nook Color *must* be available on the Nook Tablet, or it's not worth my money.
I hate to say it, but I'm in the same boat. I bought it because of what was accomplished with the NC and because of B&N's assurances that the same would be possible with the NT.
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Assuming the bootloader is proven to be locked, I'm simply taking mine back. The apps I use on the Nook Color *must* be available on the Nook Tablet, or it's not worth my money.
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I hate to say it, but I'm in the same boat. I bought it because of what was accomplished with the NC and because of B&N's assurances that the same would be possible with the NT.
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what are you guys running on the NC that you cant run on the NT?
you can sideload apps onto the NT and run goLauncher etc...
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what are you guys running on the NC that you cant run on the NT?
you can sideload apps onto the NT and run goLauncher etc...
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agreed. i'm a little confused. I get the SD boot issue being a problem, but I haven't come across any apps that I use that couldn't be sideloaded.
maybe i'm just old and don't use some of the stuff you guys use?
I really enjoy the NT but don't know how long I will keep it if I constantly have to use workarounds to get any functionality out of it.
No custom kernels / ROMs
No Android Market
No settings page
No root (so far at least)
Nook button opens Nook launcher only
i dunno, I guess I'm just more patient than most. I really didn't expect to buy it and have it as functional as it is already, leave alone rooted or installing custom roms. I expected that in a few months....
I'm just glad I could install a real browser, and have access to install the apks i wanted.
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what are you guys running on the NC that you cant run on the NT?
you can sideload apps onto the NT and run goLauncher etc...
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Well, all of the Google apps install fine, but when I try to sign in to my account or associate it my account with the tablet, it tells me my user name or password is wrong. So effectively, I can't use any of the Google apps. I can log in to my google account in the browser, and access the web versions of the apps, but....what I was looking for really was to be able to put the ROM I wanted on it.
Add me to the list of those with a clock ticking. Picked mine up on the 16th, and it stays wrapped until we know if the NT can be rooted - or day 14 - whichever comes first.
Progress is great so far - but I don't want a device that can be locked down with any random update from B&N. Based on their earlier broken promises, they have about zero credibility for things said.
Let me retract my line about broken promises - that was Amazon that promised no rooting roadblocks - and they kept to their word. I don't think B&N made any statement about this.
A petition is good, for sure. But it doesn't hurt if everyone also contacted B&N [[email protected]] and explained personally and sincerely why it would be in their best interest to unlock the Tablet. I'd focus on how their specs are superior, but useless if they're not open. I'd mention the limited space for side-loading, and enabling 3rd party apps.
I'd remind them how popular their Nook Color got, and free press, when the NC was rooted. And use the MS Kinect & Linksys WRT-54G as examples of success stories when a company adopts and opens their hardware.
I thought everyone knows that e-petition is totally worthless. Actually, it's worse than worthless, since it gives you a false sense of complacency.
If rooting is that important to you, then take more effort than the few keyclicks to fill out an e-petition.
Take your purchased NT to the nearest B&N store. Return it, and make sure you give the reason why it's being returned, that the NT is hostile to tech enthusiasts. Say that you'll now consider the Kindle Fire because of its more tech-friendly mindset (whether that's true or not). Say that given your status as the go-to tech dude, you'll recommend against the NT for any who asks.
Ask to speak to a manager or a tech specialist; you don't want your words wasted on a grunt. Be polite but firm at all times.
Money speaks the loudest. Let your money speak for you. Buy something else.
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I thought everyone knows that e-petition is totally worthless. Actually, it's worse than worthless, since it gives you a false sense of complacency.
If rooting is that important to you, then take more effort than the few keyclicks to fill out an e-petition.
Take your purchased NT to the nearest B&N store. Return it, and make sure you give the reason why it's being returned, that the NT is hostile to tech enthusiasts. Say that you'll now consider the Kindle Fire because of its more tech-friendly mindset (whether that's true or not). Say that given your status as the go-to tech dude, you'll recommend against the NT for any who asks.
Ask to speak to a manager or a tech specialist; you don't want your words wasted on a grunt. Be polite but firm at all times.
Money speaks the loudest. Let your money speak for you. Buy something else.
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If everyone were to do what you're saying, B&N would lose 3% of NT's total sales (judging by statistics someone referenced here), call it within a sales estimation margin of error and ignore it.
And we'd all be left without a $250 tablet, or with a ****tier one.
Sorry, don't like your solution. It'd only work if, say, 25%+ of NT buyers wanted root.
And you think e-petitions are better? Good luck with that.
There are different ways to communicate. Some more effective, some less. E-petition is at the bottom of the heap, followed by e-mail.
Money--ie making vendor lose money with refunds--is the most powerful method of persuasion. Sure, there may not be enough people to make the vendor reconsider, but it beats moping around and twirling your thumbs, hoping the vendor will change its mind with some dumb e-petition, no?
BTW, techies have an outsized influence on vendor decisions, as long as they know the proper buttons to push. B&N right now is in a battle with Amazon for e-readers. Saying that you'll get a Kindle Fire, and will recommend everyone to do so, is a big button you can push. Forcing the vendor to lose money with refunds is another.
In any case, if your envisioned use is a rooted NT, then this isn't it, so why hang onto it? If/when the NT is rooted, you can always buy it again.
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And you think e-petitions are better? Good luck with that.
There are different ways to communicate. Some more effective, some less. E-petition is at the bottom of the heap, followed by e-mail.
Money--ie making vendor lose money with refunds--is the most powerful method of persuasion. Sure, there may not be enough people to make the vendor reconsider, but it beats moping around and twirling your thumbs, hoping the vendor will change its mind with some dumb e-petition, no?
BTW, techies have an outsized influence on vendor decisions, as long as they know the proper buttons to push. B&N right now is in a battle with Amazon for e-readers. Saying that you'll get a Kindle Fire, and will recommend everyone to do so, is a big button you can push. Forcing the vendor to lose money with refunds is another.
In any case, if your envisioned use is a rooted NT, then this isn't it, so why hang onto it? If/when the NT is rooted, you can always buy it again.
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People have different reasons.
For one, if I were to call for mass returns of NT, that'd greatly decrease interest in rooting the NT, which makes it even worse. If you decided NT is not for you and u want KF - godspeed, I'm sure you've got your reasons.
And no, petitions are NOT worthless. Not with decent companies. As I've mentioned, ask SuperCurio and his collaboration with Samsung.
I, for one, had a $100 gift card for B&N, so it's $150 NT versus $200 KF for me. Regardless, even without that giftcard, I'd still not go for KF when there's NT around, cause KF is just gimped and kinda useless.
Regardless, can we please return to the topic of this thread - I'm looking for someone's help writing a letter to B&N asking them for help achieving root for developers.
>If you decided NT is not for you and u want KF - godspeed, I'm sure you've got your reasons.
I've no interest in the KF, and for now, the NT. But it doesn't hurt to tell B&N that I consider their competition to be better, for persuasion purposes.
>And no, petitions are NOT worthless. Not with decent companies.
"not with decent companies"..
Life's experience isn't something that can be told, I suppose. Good luck with your quixotic quest. Please do keep the NT past the return period, and make B&N happy.
Yes, let's return to the topic of e-petition. Below is a piece that'll let you know your chances. Welcome to the world of SLACKTIVISM.
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp
e.mote said:
>If you decided NT is not for you and u want KF - godspeed, I'm sure you've got your reasons.
I've no interest in the KF, and for now, the NT. But it doesn't hurt to tell B&N that I consider their competition to be better, for persuasion purposes.
>And no, petitions are NOT worthless. Not with decent companies.
"not with decent companies"..
Life's experience isn't something that can be told, I suppose. Good luck with your quixotic quest. Please do keep the NT past the return period, and make B&N happy.
Yes, let's return to the topic of e-petition. Below is a piece that'll let you know your chances.
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp
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Dude, we get it. You're not happy. Return your NT and leave the NT forum. We're all just trying to have a friendly discussion here. There's no need to be so negative. Thank you.
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... give us a copy of Bootloader unlocker!
Pleeeeeeeaseeeeeeee
They have a bootloader unlocker? I thought they were just going to system restores and stuff like that. Getting anything they have would be a huge benefit to the community.
To any of you B&N employee's if you don't feel comfortable publicly posting that stuff just pm a dev or really anyone on here you feel like. I'm sure lots of us wouldn't mind being the middle man(myself included).
…if you were work for Barnes & Noble, you're in less of a position to help anyone than we are.
What are you expecting, exactly? Someone to leak a signing key and they lose their job for a $250 tablet?
As a consumer, the best thing you can do is not buy the Nook Tablet. It's the best way to send a message to B&N.
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As a consumer, the best thing you can do is not buy the Nook Tablet. It's the best way to send a message to B&N.
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YES!
Spot on!
come on! Who doesn't want to participate in a little corporate espionage?
tamasrepus said:
As a consumer, the best thing you can do is not buy the Nook Tablet. It's the best way to send a message to B&N.
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Yeah us android geeks not buying the ipad has really helped to make them realize to make their stuff more open and less commie.
By not buying and being silent, how is Barnes and noble going to get the message. Companies are far more likely to listen to paying customers. Remember nowadays XDA is a amazing resource for manufacturers. How many articles have been written about breakthroughs developers made at XDA. Thats free publicity and free development for them.
I am sure Barnes and noble pays somebody to check this forum, and others. That is why I suggested that i somebody wanted to leak something they could anonymously PM somebody on here and get it out that way.
B&N: get the message
I second and third and fourth that. B&N has two markets for their product, and if they purposefully make it very difficult to root the device, they are going to lose one of those markets. I'd buy a Nook tablet tomorrow if I were comfortable with being able to achieve a clean install of a rooted image, but without that, I'll likely go to another device. It would be a shame.
As mentioned before... the XDA crowd is not likely the market for this device due to the fact that the device is most likely lost leading.... It's in no way the interest of BN to provide any of the tools for you to do this.
Don't believe me? Look at the current sideloading situation... People are already on the Android/Amazon markets which technically means money out of BN's coffers...
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I second and third and fourth that. B&N has two markets for their product, and if they purposefully make it very difficult to root the device, they are going to lose one of those markets. I'd buy a Nook tablet tomorrow if I were comfortable with being able to achieve a clean install of a rooted image, but without that, I'll likely go to another device. It would be a shame.
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In all reality they didn't make it hard to root at all. Root was achieved by modifying usb drivers and using a known exploit. B&N had plenty of time to lock this tablet down way more than it is. Even sideloading is super easy. The bootloader is another matter all together, still I have a feeling somebody will find a simple workaround
>In all reality they didn't make it hard to root at all.
I don't think B&N had much to do with the low-level stuff, just the top-level design. The locked bootloader as has been said was likely for Netflix HD cert, since OMAP4 already had that feature. They didn't need to do anything extra. Otherwise, it's the same custom layer on top of 2.x.
The NT even retained the 1GB user-space which is a carryover from NC. Some modicum of sense would've shown that you don't need 12GB for app space, and would've avoided the bad reviews. Per Occam's Razor, don't attribute malice when incompetence will do.
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What are you expecting, exactly? Someone to leak a signing key and they lose their job for a $250 tablet?
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Quoted for truth. The M-Shield security setup that is locking down the bootloader uses a one-time-programmable e-fuse inside the cpu so that the key it's looking for or the logic to do so can never be reprogrammed. Unless I missing something in their setup I don't see how a bootloader unlocker would be possible. Instead they would have to give use their private key to sign our own files
The more I read about the locked bootloader, the more I regret purchasing the tablet. They have, however, made some promising progress with this tablet, and I haven't heard anyone say definitively that it is not possible to bypass this obstacle.
For the record, is the kindle fire's bootloader locked?
Is it dangerous to enter your credit card # to buy stuff when using CM7 or XRON?(or any other Android for Touchpad)
While I appreciate those guys for making it possible to install Android on Touchpad, I do not have any idea who they really are. How will I know there isn't some built-in code that secretly captures my credit card numbers and/or everything that I type and then uploads it to a server somewhere in one of those rogue nations?
Thanks!
With all due respect, if you're that concerned about the code then I suggest you uninstall CM7 and stick with webOS. Or develop your own version of Android on your Touchpad.
From this post, it really doesn't seem like there will be anything anyone here can say that will remove the paranoia you have.
Lmao.
"A little nonsense, now and then, is relished by the wisest men."
I use mine on cm7, and so far no unauthorized charges on it, so I think its safe to say they are legit.
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@OP you should visit their website and research about their background. They are open source community doing this for free. Use it or not your choice. Just don't doubt them. You know who saves your data in their server? Google does ( not sure about credit card info)
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Is it dangerous to enter your credit card # to buy stuff when using CM7 or XRON?(or any other Android for Touchpad)
While I appreciate those guys for making it possible to install Android on Touchpad, I do not have any idea who they really are. How will I know there isn't some built-in code that secretly captures my credit card numbers and/or everything that I type and then uploads it to a server somewhere in one of those rogue nations?
Thanks!
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Nothing to worry about bro. I do this for the good of the community and have been working on many different roms for different devices. You have a better chance of living to 200 before any personal information is logged by us. Meaning, its impossible.
With that said, happy New year everyone.
Not sure my family would like it if I was sent to prison for credit card fraud or any other malicious activity.
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+1 Leo for taking the high road. I could see how the OP's question would insinuate malicious behavior from xron or CM7 and stir false rumors. I like the fact you showed a degree of patience that I'm not sure I would have been able to show were I in your shoes.
If you don't trust these guys stick to webOS.
If you don't trust them use WebOS. But personally I'd trust the CM team over the carrier/OEM bloated Android ROMs included on most phones. Remember the whole CarrierIQ issue about a month ago? With CM you don't have to worry about that. They have an article on it:
http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/cyanogenmod-will-never-have-carrier-iq
The CM7 team took my baby and sold her on the black market for organs. This was in addition to violently beating me and stealing my car.
Nothing but a group of thugs...you have been warned!
There is no more risk by using a credit card on this tablet than there is entering a credit card from any computer.