Hey guys, I have been on xda for quite some time now and I have seen many such threads on battery life optimization configs. But I am always at loss when I need to refer to such threads in a summary fashion.
So I came up with this Google Docs form.
After couple of entries, the form will help draw a better picture of what configs are turning out better in general as it generates all sorts of awesome pie charts based on your entries.
Let me know if you want any entry in the form to be added, or any other kind of suggestion. You can do that here, or in the last field of that form.
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(1) F O R M <- Enter your data here
(2) Analytics Page <- Check out cool pie charts that sums up everybody's data
(3) Spreadsheet View <- Pure info, useful if you want to see what people entered in "Other" fields in the form; the Analytics page won't go into that much detail
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Data as of 02/26/2012 1pm EST
Updates, few notes, and more
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02/26/2012
- Added 2 non-mandatory fields. Fill them if you know their values: Approx time spent using your phone as a phone? and Approx time spent using your phone *actively* with screen off?
02/23/2012
- Set default form fields to useful values. Earlier all unfilled fields defaulted to "Other" which skewed the charts on Analytics page. Now that's solved
- Added custom fields in power saving apps (JKay Mod, GreenPower)
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(1) I will maintain the spreadsheet regularly so that it has only relevant info. I see that some users enter just junk data to check out how the data entry in the form works. That's cool. But I will remove such entries.
(2) Even if you have already made an entry in this form, you can of course do it again. In case you want your old entry to be removed, just let me know by replying in this thread and I will remove it. Otherwise it doesn't hurt keeping the old entry in the spreadsheet. People can probably learn by diff'ing between the two (or more) entries and see what factors helped improve battery life. (Such differential analysis will be very difficult in 'other' battery life/screen capture threads.
(3) I will try to keep on adding more stuff to the form. So feel free to make a new entry now and then (probably every 2 weeks or once a month) even if you have done it earlier. You can request (as I said above) removal of your older entry. You can mention the row number of the entry (from the spreadsheet view) you want me to remove.
(4) The survey will help in fairer comparison if entries are made when your battery is closer to dying than not. Example: Enter your data when you have <20% battery life.
PS: Thanks Red for making this post the second post in this thread, I can now make a good use of it.
This is very useful, id recommend it
This is insanely organized. Amazing work from the OP.
Just added my info, this is great! Love all the info it provides! Adding to my list of subscribed threads.
why wouldn't there be a section that asks what apps people run? There are plenty of other apps that do background syncing and need to run more often than others. I would say that's a pretty important factor that this doesn't touch on. Truth is, everyone's going to be different. Everyone uses their phone differently, running different apps. People who can't put their phones down are undoubtedly going to have worse battery life. Some people have great battery life on one rom, while some on the same rom have horrible battery life. The user themself is the most important factor on battery life.
PuffinNugz said:
why wouldn't there be a section that asks what apps people run? There are plenty of other apps that do background syncing and need to run more often than others. I would say that's a pretty important factor that this doesn't touch on.
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I thought about that but it's not easy to collect stats on that. I could add about 100's of apps in the form for people to tick off.. but then that will void the purpose of this form. Who is going to type/tick off all the apps they have installed?
I have already added the major known sources of battery draining apps in the last section: Google Talk, Latitude, .. There are many other battery draining apps that I have frozen on my phone that I did not add to the form: Facebook (I just access it from browser, the GUI is the same), Kik, G+. But this list is not definitive, adding such apps to the list will simply lengthen the form, thus demotivating people from entering any data at all. If people want to add such stuff, they are free to add that in that last and the only paragraph field in the form.
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Truth is, everyone's going to be different. Everyone uses their phone differently, running different apps. People who can't put their phones down are undoubtedly going to have worse battery life. Some people have great battery life on one rom, while some on the same rom have horrible battery life. The user themself is the most important factor on battery life.
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I agree with you. The result of this analysis is that people would be guided to try something new to improve their battery life (which they would have never heard of before). Taking my personal case, I actually crossed 1day mark without charging my phone for the very first time after I installed GreenPower. I did everything that GreenPower does using extensive Llama events but that wasn't that battery efficient. These statistics DO NOT guarantee in any way you will be able to achieve the same results, but at the least you can try.
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I thought about that but it's not easy to collect stats on that. I could add about 100's of apps in the form for people to tick off.. but then that will void the purpose of this form. Who is going to type/tick off all the apps they have installed?
I have already added the major known sources of battery draining apps in the last section: Google Talk, Latitude, .. There are many other battery draining apps that I have frozen on my phone that I did not add to the form: Facebook (I just access it from browser, the GUI is the same), Kik, G+. But this list is not definitive, adding such apps to the list will simply lengthen the form, thus demotivating people from entering any data at all. If people want to add such stuff, they are free to add that in that last and the only paragraph field in the form.
I agree with you. The result of this analysis is that people would be guided to try something new to improve their battery life (which they would have never heard of before). Taking my personal case, I actually crossed 1day mark without charging my phone for the very first time after I installed GreenPower. I did everything that GreenPower does using extensive Llama events but that wasn't that battery efficient. These statistics DO NOT guarantee in any way you will be able to achieve the same results, but at the least you can try.
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Right on, man. I got you. Not trying cause trouble or anything. I get damn good battery life and I'm a moderate to heavy user. I have a charger in my office at work, and I also put it on the charger at home every night when I go to bed. Oh, and I got a car charger. A little overkill, but I never have to worry about battery life.
edit: i may fill it out a little later when I have more time. Not cause I need it, but to help you gather info.
jazzboyrules said:
I thought about that but it's not easy to collect stats on that. I could add about 100's of apps in the form for people to tick off.. but then that will void the purpose of this form. Who is going to type/tick off all the apps they have installed?
I have already added the major known sources of battery draining apps in the last section: Google Talk, Latitude, .. There are many other battery draining apps that I have frozen on my phone that I did not add to the form: Facebook (I just access it from browser, the GUI is the same), Kik, G+. But this list is not definitive, adding such apps to the list will simply lengthen the form, thus demotivating people from entering any data at all. If people want to add such stuff, they are free to add that in that last and the only paragraph field in the form.
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Agreed, and apps are incredibly too variable to include.
Thread cleaned up and my data is entered.
Good job on the nice collaboration of data.
Thanks Red! And thanks to everyone for supporting this effort
I take back what I said about this, this is far more than a battery life thread, nice work I'll enter my stuff later
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Nick281051 said:
I take back what I said about this, this is far more than a battery life thread, nice work I'll enter my stuff later
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I know this is just a forum, but it takes guts to stay stuff like that. I respect that.
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I know this is just a forum, but it takes guts to stay stuff like that. I respect that.
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I agree. But sometimes people need to look at things and check it out before commenting. Not pointing fingers..just in general
Thanks Nick!
+1 to what treyvaporizer said, and
@jasvncnt1 It happens, we are all family now
I am glad that more people are helping me out build that spreadsheet.
jazzboyrules said:
Thanks Nick!
+1 to what treyvaporizer said, and
@jasvncnt1 It happens, we are all family now
I am glad that more people are helping me out build that spreadsheet.
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LOL of course. Like I said wasn't pointing fingers. Its all good. We are all here for the same reason.
I dont want to start a new thread, so I rather just ask in here since it's along the same lines. With the config in my sig, so far I'm at 9hrs on battery, with 1.5 hrs screen on time and I'm sitting at 60%. I've done some undervolting, I believe I ended up at -75mV at each step. Would you consider this good battery life? I don't have a problem with it, though if I could get more, I certainly wouldn't mind.
PS, not trying to steal the thread, just want some opinions!
Battery life aholics unite...xD
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I dont want to start a new thread, so I rather just ask in here since it's along the same lines. With the config in my sig, so far I'm at 9hrs on battery, with 1.5 hrs screen on time and I'm sitting at 60%. I've done some undervolting, I believe I ended up at -75mV at each step. Would you consider this good battery life? I don't have a problem with it, though if I could get more, I certainly wouldn't mind.
PS, not trying to steal the thread, just want some opinions!
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I think that the battery life is good but it can get better. You need to check how much the battery drains overnight if you don't keep it plugged in. Also, use the phone normally till the battery life is in single digits and then compare with what people using different configs get (in that spreadsheet). That should give you a general idea of whether or not you can get more time without charge.
Again, the battery life is dependent on a lot of parameters not covered in that spreadsheet, but whatever is covered should help you at least improve on what you have right now.
Well, I flashed the stock CM7 kernel last night, and without any under volting, its not as good, but close to what I was getting with under volting and Siyah .12 so tomorrow I'm gonna under volt the stock CM7 kernel and see what I can get. Plus, using the touch recovery is pretty fun!
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So, if rooting the g tablet is the way to go, it surely must stand up to a few simple speed checks. Has anyone posted various root's numbers or have some to post?
Stuff like, time to boot? Time to load common apps? Time to open the same web page? Frames on games? Time to download? Max browser pages open? Other relevant numbers welcome...
As far as I can tell, without any objective numbers comparing root performance, a lot of this rooting fad raves could just be subjective reported elation about being able to be different.
Granted, originally, the Gtab OS had some flaws. That's old news, get over it. How do the current roots compare with OTA version 3588? I'm somewhat shocked not one of the pack of geeks that have rooted their G tab hasn't backed up their raves with real numbers...
Granted, being rooted to the latest vegan might get access to the full Android market, and perhaps even future updates in Android... However, if I'm finding most of what I want at Amazon Android, is rooting worth the trouble until the roots and android versions stabilize? Show us the NUMBERS...!
I've been there done that with this subjective stuff long enough not to be swayed without real numbers...
Also, do any of these roots do OTA auto updates or do root updates require a download & re-root? Just asking...
Jesus christ if you can't do a simple search for benchmark tests then I highly suggest getting the ipad2. I hear that the ipad 2 reads your mind so out don't have to do any search. We've only had a kazillion threads on this.
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This is not to mention all the YouTube vids on this people have posted.
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Actually, here are a few.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1047098&highlight=benchmark+2011
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12984546&postcount=9
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12986416&postcount=10
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12986416&postcount=10
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I'm serious, I highly suggest the ipad 2 to everyone I talk to. Speaking as someone who repairs computers as a side job, I'm fully aware that most people want to be spoon fed everything, which is why the ipad 2 is the ideal device for most people. If people want to complain about nothing, let apple deal with them.
Thanks for the links.
However, as best as I can tell, they seem to verify that the OTA updated Gtablet is about the same speed as Vegan in the benchmarks when the CPU speeds are similar.
However, do the benchmarks used translate into much of relevance to speed of actually using the tablet to open programs, boot the tablet, download & open web pages. Stuff that people actually do with the tablet... Unless that's what the benchmarks are testing... But that info isn't provided in the links. Again -- weak...
The numbers and detail provided in these links deserve barely more than a C grade, if that... And what they provide seems to be at equal speeds, the current OTA updated gtab OS works fine... As long as you don't need the full Adroid market...
You Tube links? As best as I can tell, not one of them is an objective comparison with the OTA 3588 update gtab. They are just videos of vegan working... As far as real world numbers and comparisons -- Grade D-...
Where are the Grade A numbers? It's not that I don't believe the ROMs are not an improvement, it's just where are the numbers to support these raves?
What exactly are you looking for? There are no hard numbers when it comes to real world use, just your user experience versus mine.
You're not telling us what you want. You said you wanted numbers so I gave you a bunch. Then you say you don't want those numbers. So, I ask again. What do you want?
I'll be brutally honest on this one. Vegan isn't that fast. From all my tests, Calkulin+Clemsyn combo is by far the fastest custom rom+kernel for the gtab.
After trying out everything, I'm back to Calkulin+Clemsyn combo.
Would you like me to make a video of myself openning various programs and post it for you? What do you want?
I'm thinking you should drop that 'r' from your handle.
You also have a misconception of what rooting is/does.
To become root in Linux/Android is to gain administrative privileges. In windows root would be called Administrator. Gaining root privileges gives you the ability to change system files and settings, NOTHING MORE. By itself it does nothing.
Now boys...
The fact is that if you need numbers, reports,testimonials or anything else to justify mucking around with the gtab thenyou probably should just get an iPad. Nothing to prove then -everyone "knows" its the best-no numbers needed! The gtab is for people that don't mind the hardware and software quirks as long as they have the freedom to mess around. Its not about the numbers -its about the experience.
[Q] Why should we ..?!
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I've been there done that with this subjective stuff long enough not to be swayed without real numbers...
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Well, I am not sure anyone here is trying to sway you in one direction or the others.
Here is how things go in community forums like this one:
- People search for what they got in mind first.
- If they didn't find its either undoable or not that interesting for the community that no one bothered doing it.
- In both case those people are expected to either drop whatever they are wishing for or pursuit it on there own and then share their findings with the community.
In other words, why the heck am I supposed to go beyond whatever benchmarks readily available on the market to show YOU how good/bad are custom firmwares compared to stock ones when :
- custom firmwares are volatile and each couple of days there is a new rom or rom add on or a kernel released (am I supposed to maintain the stats for every single update released ? else how meaningful would be my outdated stats to you? when it represents a ROM that is no longer a candidate)
- the whole flash back and forth and in between roms is a 10~20 minutes process of YOUR time which would suffice to answer all your questions.
If you still need some usability tests (you can use your own stop watch to time through the videos) you might want to check here.
Best of luck,
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I'm thinking you should drop that 'r' from your handle.
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I think this was the best answer.
The information you are demanding is indicating your ignorance. As was already stated rooting does nothing for performance. If you want numbers you can install each rom and test with each kernel setting whatever your heart desires. Its not likely anyone else even cares as most people only care about stability and a lack of lag
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So, if rooting the g tablet is the way to go, it surely must stand up to a few simple speed checks. Has anyone posted various root's numbers or have some to post?
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Rooting itself does nothing other than giving you root - the speed of your device before and after rooting is identical.
Now, if you want to talk about the speeds with or without an overclocked kernel, or with a custom Froyo vs custom Ginger vs stock rom, as others have said there are plenty of posts out there.
Mine lasted on the stock rom for exactly one boot after opening the box - so I could copy on the bits to begin the rooting/custom rom flashing goodness.
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What exactly are you looking for? There are no hard numbers when it comes to real world use, just your user experience versus mine.
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What I'm looking for is defined, at least in part, in the first post. Copy and pasted here for your convenience.
Stuff like, time to boot? Time to load common apps? Time to open the same web page? Frames on games? Time to download? Max browser pages open? Other relevant numbers welcome...
If I go to a notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards, the various card performances in various games are reviewed. The reviews are very professionally and objectively done with detail. Clicking on any specific card opens a detailed review of that card. This allows users to make decisions based upon what sorts of (graphic game) uses they might actually have.
It seems a similar but much smaller objective set of benchmarks could be performed on the various g tablet roots using a set of common uses in part noted above. It doesn't need to be as elaborate or detailed as the video card review site noted above. Just objectively testing a few simple end user tasks would seem to be adequate to get beyond the subjective raves that one commonly sees about this or that OS change...
FYI, part of this is related to my background as a doctor (plus a computer background dating back beyond the Apple II to programming FORTRAN and COMPASS on mainframes in the 1960s). As doctors we are constantly bombarded with all sorts of anecdotal raves about this or that treatment all the time, only to find that they aren't supported by actual objective research -- some cause harm, not healing. Fortunately for those promoting software changes related to raves and fads don't have the potential to cause anyone significant harm... Excuse me if I'd like to see similar objective professional 'standards of care' when it comes to reviewing and analyzing software/hardware fads. I'm sure there are plenty of others in the audience who'd feel the same...
So is this a religious thread, I see Jesus was mentioned.
Actually sometimes you modders act like it.
I'll get the other times later. Here is the startup time.
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FYI, part of this is related to my background as a doctor (plus a computer background dating back beyond the Apple II to programming FORTRAN and COMPASS on mainframes in the 1960s). As doctors we are constantly bombarded with all sorts of anecdotal raves about this or that treatment all the time, only to find that they aren't supported by actual objective research -- some cause harm, not healing. Fortunately for those promoting software changes related to raves and fads don't have the potential to cause anyone significant harm... Excuse me if I'd like to see similar objective professional 'standards of care' when it comes to reviewing and analyzing software/hardware fads. I'm sure there are plenty of others in the audience who'd feel the same...
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Well, while I can see your point, I also have to point out the other side of the argument. I am an engineer. Last year, we got a college graduate who, from the outlook, had all the numbers and credentials. He graduated with almost a perfect gpa. Sounds nice, right? He had all the numbers. The problem was as soon as he began working with us we figured out very quickly that we had a book smart-absolutely no common sense person with us. I swear, he pulled me aside one time and asked me why they were "watering the concrete slabs" in the lab. It got worse from there. I had to explain to him very basic engineering concepts and applications like stirrups, slippage, etc.
This guy actually went through college getting the grades and everything without actually understanding any of it. He graduated with a structural engineering degree without knowing the very simple practical processes of curing concrete or reinforcing footings.
The point is numbers can be deceiving if you ignore annecdotal (aka common sense) evidence. You need both objective numbers and common sense to work in reality. Sure, I've heard plenty of annecdotal nonsense like creationist BS, religious miracles, and homeopathic crap. I'll give you that. But you seem to be on the other extreme side, which is to ignore all personal evidence and place all your bets on pure numbers.
I'm telling you now. We got both the numbers and personal evidence. I'll try to get them for you.
Doofus
I like the list of missing benchmarks you listed. Why don't you measure them and report back?
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What I'm looking for is defined, at least in part, in the first post. Copy and pasted here for your convenience.
Stuff like, time to boot? Time to load common apps? Time to open the same web page? Frames on games? Time to download? Max browser pages open? Other relevant numbers welcome...
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All those numbers are identical before and after rooting your device since nothing changes before and after root, other than you now have root access.
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While watching everyone bash eachother here has its entertainment i have some advice.
Droofus
1 i would recomend not comming into a community forum and bashing people who put a lot of effort into making the product you own better. These people don't get paid for the hours of work they put in.
2 if you don't like how thing are done around here take the time to be a good example and do it better. You clearly have an idea in your head on how to make a professional stastical representation of the roms so do it.
3 what some people are trying to tell you is that it is not all about the numbers. Some people want gingerbread features. Right now all of the gingerbread roms suck for video performance due to driver issues so i don't use them. I like the gingerbread features but i watch videos a lot so i use a froyo rom. Others really care about performance so they give up some stability and overlock.
4 people around here get upset when the same question gets asked over and over again. If you have done some reasearch reference other articles to show that.
5 this is a dual core tablet, what are you doing that you care that much about preformance.
This thing is faster than my netbook.
6 dropping your title on us just makes you sound pretentious. There are a lot of very intellgent successful people here who are not impressed by doctors or your past experience. If you have useful skills to the community don't brag just use them and people will be grateful.
7 people were a little rude about it but they are right. I tell people that if they want something that is easy go buy an ipad or a xoom. If you want something for under 300 then buy a g tab and understand that with some effort it can be great.
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1 relax... starting flame wars with someone who doesn't know their way around isn't going to help anyone.
I forgot to mention that traditionally us geeks are known for our lack of formal documentation.
P.s. while many of us proudly wear the badge of geek calling us a pack of geeks is a little adversarial.
I'm partial to a 1Ghz kernel and Nottach's Wet Dream 1.4.3 with some minor adjustments on my end. But since I'm using a pretty much burnt out Gorilla Gadget 3500mAh battery, I haven't been able to get a full day of use out of my phone. I'm UV'ed and I keep my screen down to 25% brightness as well as using a custom battery saving profile that turns data off after 30minutes of innactivity and 15minutes during off-peak hours. Any suggestions or tweaks? Any tips will be well appreciated.
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A thread was started 3 hours prior that has the intention of solving issues like yours.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1488794
Are you trying to undermine the previous thread, one of which was started by a respected member of the forum?
This is either an honest mistake, and quite the coincidence, or you are trying to attenuate the other thread. Either way, a simple search would have led you to many discussions on battery life within these forums.
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I'm partial to a 1Ghz kernel and Nottach's Wet Dream 1.4.3 with some minor adjustments on my end. But since I'm using a pretty much burnt out Gorilla Gadget 3500mAh battery, I haven't been able to get a full day of use out of my phone. I'm UV'ed and I keep my screen down to 25% brightness as well as using a custom battery saving profile that turns data off after 30minutes of innactivity and 15minutes during off-peak hours. Any suggestions or tweaks? Any tips will be well appreciated.
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A thread was started 3 hours prior that has the intention of solving issues like yours.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1488794
Are you trying to undermine the previous thread, one of which was started by a respected member of the forum?
This is either an honest mistake, and quite the coincidence, or you are trying to attenuate the other thread. Either way, a simple search would have led you to many discussions on battery life within these forums.
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Not so. Notorious stated that he wanted to see results on battery life. Only a few people went into very little detail about the kind of set up they have. I'm not asking about specific ROMs or kernels but more along the lines of what people actually do to obtain better battery life in terms of setting, tweaks to build.prop, and such. If you'd have read the post correctly instead of skimming with the intent of bashing due to the thread title you'd have noticed this.
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Well, if you actually read his thread he wants to take in as much information regarding setup and configurations, what ROMs and kernels are used, which apps and how they're utilized (such as tasker), wireless settings (wifi, bluetooth, etc), and any tweaks implemented. Here is a qoute from his post:
"Hopefully, if people participate, we will be able to identify how people get great battery life and how some people get really bad battery life. Then we could compare personal configurations and see what settings/apps/tweaks affect battery - in a positive or negative way."
What I don't understand is how much difference do you actually see between your thread and his in terms of objectives? To me, that thread probably would have been a good place to start a conversation about your setup since you are using an extended battery and it would probably help the discussion on "calibration" for 3rd party batteries.
I apologize if you took my comments as a form of "bashing", that was not my intent. I did read your post and I was just trying to make a benevolent observation.
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Not so. Notorious stated that he wanted to see results on battery life. Only a few people went into very little detail about the kind of set up they have. I'm not asking about specific ROMs or kernels but more along the lines of what people actually do to obtain better battery life in terms of setting, tweaks to build.prop, and such. If you'd have read the post correctly instead of skimming with the intent of bashing due to the thread title you'd have noticed this.
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Hm. I see your point. My apologies. I was a little intoxicated, earlier. Ia there a way to close this thread?
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No need for you to apologize, after I re-read my original comment I can see how you could have took it negatively. It's very difficult to convey sarcasm and tone with just text and emoticons.
Either way, your issue is a good one to bring up (regarding 3rd party and extended batteries). What I would recommend is to use some sort of battery app that records statistics and use it for an entire charge cycle and then get some screenshots of your results to compare to results people are getting from the OEM battery. This way, more people can see the distinctions in percentage, mA and mV readings in alignment with what apps/settings you are using to see if your battery is as "burnt" as you think it is.
Here's one suggestion:
https://market.android.com/details?...eloper#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwMiwiY2NjNzEuYm13Il0.
No hard feelings and welcome to the forum(s).
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Hm. I see your point. My apologies. I was a little intoxicated, earlier. Ia there a way to close this thread?
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Aha an app I know well. I'll reinstall the pro version and post something in the morning. I can say right off the bat that the battery won't charge passed 3.9V. I have followed many guides in ways of recalibrating the battery and nothing. It reaches about 4,036mV at 100% and drops to around 3.9V as soon as it is unplugged.
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@live4nyy
Seriously STOP trolling and self moderating/ you could have simply reported his post instead of being a wise ass about it
And if there was a separate thread that the OP did not notice you could have simply linked it and ended it there, instead of being all condescending.Its this kind of talk that makes this forum an unfriendly place .
@Blueangel180
Trust me, I have questioned myself numerous times if I am overstepping any boundaries and "self-moderating". I completely understand where you're coming from so I sincerely apologize for that.
With that said, I genuinely want to help people in the forums, it just has become a hobby for me of recently. I usually spend a lot of my effort trying to help people with "low-level" issues since I'm not that knowledgeable on the "dev" side of things. But understand this, I try my best to be as amiable and constructive as possible when I do respond to queries such as this one.
I don't understand why you would suggest "reporting" this thread, there is nothing against the rules here. As for posting a link, I did. Also, while you are accusing me of condescension, you resort to name-calling and distasteful remarks.
Either way, I'll take your advice and I will attempt to be more concise and less judgmental.
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@live4nyy
Seriously STOP trolling and self moderating/ you could have simply reported his post instead of being a wise ass about it
And if there was a separate thread that the OP did not notice you could have simply linked it and ended it there, instead of being all condescending.Its this kind of talk that makes this forum an unfriendly place .
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Hi guys ..
I have something weird and i want to ask
My batt sgs3 when charged to 100% in a few second it will become 99% and on a minute it will become 98% and 97% .....and very fast drop ..
But when in 70% if u want drop it to 40% its normal drop rate .. not very fast ...(for me )
Why ?
Please help me i need this phone for my work.. so lowbat on a work is a critical matter ..
Here is the screenshot of my batt usage
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You first need to put this in Q&A then you need to wipe battery stats and recalibrate your battery....
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speedyjay said:
You first need to put this in Q&A then you need to wipe battery stats and recalibrate your battery....
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Firstly wiping battery stats is useless. You can go google and check it out yourself.
And OP maybe take a look at this thread. It may be a different phone but usage is pretty similar.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1878828
From what I remember the s3 is designed to display 99% when fully charged it only displays 100% when a charger is connected. Unless you have a custom ROM with it being displayed otherwise, in that case there are countless battery threads here but start with better battery stats
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unholygid said:
Firstly wiping battery stats is useless. You can go google and check it out yourself.
And OP maybe take a look at this thread. It may be a different phone but usage is pretty similar.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1878828
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How the hell you came to that conclusion I don't know....every cycle is stored on your phone and by wiping the stored cycles, your battery is ultimately recalibrated! You just need to keep to a schedule, don't charge your phone if it doesn't need charging, and run your battery flat say once a week....also wipe your battery stats before and after flashing a new ROM....
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speedyjay said:
... then you need to wipe battery stats and recalibrate your battery....
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speedyjay said:
How the hell you came to that conclusion I don't know....every cycle is stored on your phone and by wiping the stored cycles, your battery is ultimately recalibrated! ....also wipe your battery stats before and after flashing a new ROM....
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When I saw your first post (in the first quote here), I was going to politely respond that the entire MYTH about wiping battery stats has been debunked and even point you to a few places you could read about it. Then I read that someone already responded with that information, and your not so polite reply to that person. So, instead of a polite reply, I think something a bit stronger is in order...
You People who post like that are an idiot. Plain and simple. It's one thing to be misinformed about something and to share that misinformation with others in an attempt to help them. It's quite another to be misinformed and to refuse to accept correct information and then to CONTINUE preaching that misinformation.
I'll save you people who post this garbage the effort of actually checking your information before spewing it and tell you from FIRST HAND information that "wiping the battery stats" has absolutely NOTHING to do with the so-called "calibration" of a battery in an android device. The "battery stats" file is actually cleared by android itself each and every time you remove your device from the charger. The kernel doesn't reference this file (or any other file in the /data partition.)
So, what does that file contain? Go into settings and tap the battery label. See that nice graph and the list of apps? THAT is what is in the battery stats file. You'll Anyone with half a brain can find a detailed breakdown of the same information with an app such as better battery stats.
If you're people with any clue how to exist on this earth are willing to actually put forth any effort whatsoever to check this out, you they can find postings from google engineers and several others. I'll be nice and save you these people some effort. How about a post from an actual google employee who works on the android system for a living?
https://plus.google.com/u/0/1050519...dVxPT#105051985738280261832/posts/FV3LVtdVxPT
If, for some reason, you these bad excuses for intelligent life forms aren't able to read that post (maybe it's too complex to read for a simpleton who likes to spread false information), here are links to several well known android websites which refer to it:
http://www.androidcentral.com/wiping-battery-stats-doesnt-improve-battery-life-says-google-engineer
http://pocketnow.com/android/deleting-androids-batterystatsbin-wont-grant-more-jiuce
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...-battery-stats-does-not-improve-battery-life/
If you anyone really gave a damn about giving accurate information, you they could also download the full android source code and actually see what the file is used for, when it's used, etc.
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Note to the moderators: Yes, this might be "slightly" over the top. However, this forum is still called "xda-developers" and this is a development topic being answered by someone who is, obviously, both clueless and unwilling to learn. Isn't there a video that new users have to watch that basically tells people like that to just go away?
Edit: Updated so that "it's not aimed at an individual but so it's a general message." Hopefully the moderators will pardon my effort - I'm only a poor dumb American and we're only taught "street english" instead of proper Queen's English.
Well said!!!
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speedyjay said:
How the hell you came to that conclusion I don't know....every cycle is stored on your phone and by wiping the stored cycles, your battery is ultimately recalibrated! You just need to keep to a schedule, don't charge your phone if it doesn't need charging, and run your battery flat say once a week....also wipe your battery stats before and after flashing a new ROM....
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Im too lazy to explain why wiping batt stats is useless and the harm of draining your battery flat so often.
But i only got 3 words for u. Which is " L. O . L"
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my battery stays at 100% even half an hour if i phone is in standby, en a few minutes of normal use and then it drops to 99%. stock JB.
garyd9 said:
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When I saw your first post (in the first quote here), I was going to politely respond that the entire MYTH about wiping battery stats has been debunked and even point you to a few places you could read about it. (...)
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Lol, I was so expecting this reaction from someone. Great insight about the topic right there, I hope that speedyjay finds it helpful.
About the issue the OP is talking about. I've been through quite a few stock ROMs and everyone showed 100% after a full charge for me. If the device goes to deep sleep asap, it lasts a considerable amount of time in such status before dropping to 99%.
Maybe you have some rogue service running? Did you tried BetterBatteryStats to get a good report?
Pearlzt said:
Hi guys ..
I have something weird and i want to ask
My batt sgs3 when charged to 100% in a few second it will become 99% and on a minute it will become 98% and 97% .....and very fast drop ..
But when in 70% if u want drop it to 40% its normal drop rate .. not very fast ...(for me )
Why ?
Please help me i need this phone for my work.. so lowbat on a work is a critical matter ..
Here is the screenshot of my batt usage
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Just throw your Battery out of Window, problem solved.
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the message about searching, and posting accurate info is quite valid. i'm amused by your edit as i hope others will be.
garyd9 said:
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When I saw your first post (in the first quote here), I was going to politely respond that the entire MYTH about wiping battery stats has been debunked and even point you to a few places you could read about it. Then I read that someone already responded with that information, and your not so polite reply to that person. So, instead of a polite reply, I think something a bit stronger is in order...
You People who post like that are an idiot. Plain and simple. It's one thing to be misinformed about something and to share that misinformation with others in an attempt to help them. It's quite another to be misinformed and to refuse to accept correct information and then to CONTINUE preaching that misinformation.
I'll save you people who post this garbage the effort of actually checking your information before spewing it and tell you from FIRST HAND information that "wiping the battery stats" has absolutely NOTHING to do with the so-called "calibration" of a battery in an android device. The "battery stats" file is actually cleared by android itself each and every time you remove your device from the charger. The kernel doesn't reference this file (or any other file in the /data partition.)
So, what does that file contain? Go into settings and tap the battery label. See that nice graph and the list of apps? THAT is what is in the battery stats file. You'll Anyone with half a brain can find a detailed breakdown of the same information with an app such as better battery stats.
If you're people with any clue how to exist on this earth are willing to actually put forth any effort whatsoever to check this out, you they can find postings from google engineers and several others. I'll be nice and save you these people some effort. How about a post from an actual google employee who works on the android system for a living?
https://plus.google.com/u/0/1050519...dVxPT#105051985738280261832/posts/FV3LVtdVxPT
If, for some reason, you these bad excuses for intelligent life forms aren't able to read that post (maybe it's too complex to read for a simpleton who likes to spread false information), here are links to several well known android websites which refer to it:
http://www.androidcentral.com/wiping-battery-stats-doesnt-improve-battery-life-says-google-engineer
http://pocketnow.com/android/deleting-androids-batterystatsbin-wont-grant-more-jiuce
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...-battery-stats-does-not-improve-battery-life/
If you anyone really gave a damn about giving accurate information, you they could also download the full android source code and actually see what the file is used for, when it's used, etc.
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Note to the moderators: Yes, this might be "slightly" over the top. However, this forum is still called "xda-developers" and this is a development topic being answered by someone who is, obviously, both clueless and unwilling to learn. Isn't there a video that new users have to watch that basically tells people like that to just go away?
Edit: Updated so that "it's not aimed at an individual but so it's a general message." Hopefully the moderators will pardon my effort - I'm only a poor dumb American and we're only taught "street english" instead of proper Queen's English.
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When I saw your first post (in the first quote here),
Isn't there a video that new users have to watch that basically tells people like that to just go away?
Edit: Updated so that "it's not aimed at an individual but so it's a general message." Hopefully the moderators will pardon my effort - I'm only a poor dumb American and we're only taught "street english" instead of proper Queen's English.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwleOote5M0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Pearlzt said:
I have something weird and i want to ask
My batt sgs3 when charged to 100% in a few second it will become 99% and on a minute it will become 98% and 97% .....and very fast drop ..
But when in 70% if u want drop it to 40% its normal drop rate .. not very fast ...(for me )
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My apologies to the OP - it was a bit rude of me to take over this thread ripping someone a new one without at least attempting to help the original poster...
First of all, are you using the stock firmware? In other words, did you change the firmware to anything other than what was preinstalled on the phone or what was pushed to the phone by the provider?
When you going into Settings->About Device, what is listed as the build number?
What kinds of applications do you have installed on the device? Would you be willing to wipe the phone (factory reset) and test the battery with no extra apps installed and no accounts (other than the google account) configured? (This is a simple way to determine if its the phone itself or "something else")
What you are experiencing is NOT normal. However, there are literally thousands of possible causes for it. Another poster suggested installing Better Battery Stats and using that wonderful tool to see what's going on. (Search for "BetterBatteryStats" here on XDA... the first thread in the search results should be to a thread dedicated to that application.)
Take care
Gary
In the past, CM has allowed users to opt out of sending their data. It's recently decided to remove the "optout feature" (c'mon, is that really a "feature"), forcing users to eat it.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...pting-out-of-cm-stats-cyanogen-says-to-chill/
"Cyanogenmod Will No Longer Allow Opting Out of CM Stats-- Cyanogen Says to Chill"
in response, i kindly made this argument:
"A fundamental issue still exists. If the data is collected via a unique identifier, and it has a timestamp, then it isn't as anonymized as people think. Anyone with a basic understanding of data security knows that. I think the uproar has to do with the reputation of the team as the protectors and defenders of our platform...you give us choice. But when we see behavior that doesn't add up, were naturally going to believe you've used that position in the community to do evil. We understand you want the the data.
What doesn't make sense, and the natural road for us all to go down:
1) is this being used to monetize CM?
2) installation data: to include location, language, device, build version, and carrier, are all things that can be identified using a single, static event report. Why should we be comfortable with an always-collecting, transmitting-in-the-background service? What's the use-case for this? You've said yourself that Google Play apps themselves often collect this data..why is that method insufficient for CM? And why should we have to expect the same from you guys as we do from everyone else. Surely there's a way to collect the necessary data you need with a scalpel, negating the need for a device drag-net like this.
In all seriousness, i trust CM to do the right thing...i just can't tell right now if they've done the lazy thing, and created a service which is omnipresent, omnipotent, running in the background and silently spying on me, just so CM can tell which language my device is running, my general location, my build information, etc.
That's fine, it's simple data, and it's fairly straight forward.
The question is, if you needed that data (which CM says it does), then why are you collecting a much, much more complicated data set, and why won't a simple installation report do? Why won't running for a short period of time...say, 5-7 days do?
Why did they take the Carrier IQ route?
Maybe they want it just so they can have it. As Koushik stated on the google plus post (where he does a great job at assuaging some fears, and creating others):
"---Did you know over half of our users are in China? They just passed the US in terms of CM installation base.
Call it ego surfing, but the data is incredibly useful."
So they're collecting all this data, without a need? It's obvious why it's extremely useful to understand, say....which language most of your users use, etc. But you don't need a 24/7 service to find out what language people use your device in.
Anyways, here's the Google + Post:
https://plus.google.com/103583939320326217147/posts/GwnzKJijBKj
Here, he has, however, provided a screenshot of your data in action, assuaging the fears of most (we never truly get to see what our data looks like after its sent through the mizteereeus pipez of the interwebz, magically transformed, and then spit back out to an analyst), and he even tells you a bit about what data it collects. What he doesn't say, is why on earth submitting the data once, after installation, in a single report wont do, or why a build report once a week, or however often, wont do.
That's the end of my tinfoil hat tirade. Like i said, i love CM, i trust them, but i'm disappointed. The reasons i listed above are arguments made to explain why people are raising hell because of this. I don't believe they'll do anything nefarious, and personally, they can ego=surf with my data all they want. It IS pretty cool. Maybe the move was a tad bit short-sighted though, because they may have gotten a bit out of touch with their users, and their users opinion of them-- and that's what my posts were supposed to do...they were supposed to bring the way I (and other's) think about them more in line with reality.
Edit: It's important to note that, as explained to us by CM, CM Statistics calls home upon reboot. Whether it runs all the time, or just for a nanosecond upon reboot, or 24/7 is important as well, but I'm unable to verify any of this, because my github skills are w34ks4uce. If we had a independent dev who could take a look at CM Stats and then explain exactly (key word) what it was collecting, that'd be über helpful....but it wouldn't mean anything in the long run. Because I was viewing the macroscopic effects of the decision. A comprehensive announcement and explanation wold probably have been prescient, because the information contained in the Google+ post is just as key as the announcement itself-- the stigma of collecting data is far to strong to just say one day-- "sneaky, sneaky--no more opting out".
Nothing has changed here, only the fact that it's enabled by default vs opt-out. The dataset hasn't changed.
Don't use it if you don't like it. They are not spying on you. WITHOUT stats they would have zero visibility to what is actually used. Download data is trash compared to actual usage.
And what if they decide they want to improve Language X translations, but only 10 people use it? Worth it? Or what about Device Y that only a handful of people are still clinging onto? Resources can be used in better ways.
I knew I'd see a post crying about this eventually...
If this thread turns into a flame fest it will be locked
As for data collection...you are using Android right?
Also check the permissions to all those third party apps.
Thanks in advance for keeping this thread civil or ignoring it.
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I take my privacy seriously, as I'm sure most of us do. As mentioned previously market apps gain a certain amount of info from us.
Maybe CM should have a free version with no opt out or a pay version with one (key maybe). That should make everyone happy.
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Nothing has changed here, only the fact that it's enabled by default vs opt-out. The dataset hasn't changed.
Don't use it if you don't like it. They are not spying on you. WITHOUT stats they would have zero visibility to what is actually used. Download data is trash compared to actual usage.
And what if they decide they want to improve Language X translations, but only 10 people use it? Worth it? Or what about Device Y that only a handful of people are still clinging onto? Resources can be used in better ways.
I knew I'd see a post crying about this eventually...
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This.
Whoooooooo caaaares delete thread
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Solution to all this: OpenPDroid
briand.mooreg said:
I take my privacy seriously, as I'm sure most of us do. As mentioned previously market apps gain a certain amount of info from us.
Maybe CM should have a free version with no opt out or a pay version with one (key maybe). That should make everyone happy.
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I think this is a brilliant idea, regardless of the status of CM Stats. A paid version with a extra feature set would be awesome.
As far as the argument for data like language, region, build, etc. I think we can say conclusively that this could be handled by a installation report, that runs once after installation or upgrade.
The type of data they need doesn't neccesitate a background service, which is why its naturally suspicious.
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This.
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I though is was enabled by default. Is this something the devs choose? Upon installation, i see a "cm statistics is running" banner in notification. Even so, what's changing, is their removing opt out all together.
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http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/35047/
well there you have it:
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Restore the opt-out for stats.
* Apparently this is a bigger issue for a small number of extremely
vocal users. We should respect their wishes, no matter how off-base
their claims are in this context.
Change-Id: I9eef9a65260ec4e360d398f80d610a198c09c915
Thanks to: khaytsus
for posting the link
khaytsus said:
http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/35047/
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Is there a way we can educate/frame a conversation around how to do this in a way accepting of the vocal crowd? Perhaps an outreach campaign, minimal in effort that might encourage more users to opt in? This is an area where fundamental good can be done. The same people who've been vocal should have no problem explaining what would get them to opt in.
I think this whole thing might have been a brief thing, but if the statistics really help the project, we can all have our cake and eat it too.
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I knew I'd see a post crying about this eventually...
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You knew you'd see a post crying about this because of all that data your collecting told you lol!
Just teasin!
I would have just frozen the background service. ...
We rooty types can do that sort of thing now days. ..
And just to prevent the assumption that I missed the point of the OP. ...I didn't, and can only imagine the amount of target data our carriers pull by simply using our device. (See lengthy contract and service agreement of your carrier)...
CM data is small potatoes by comparison. ..and while quite useful to them in the generation of custom firmwares, it's a useless data source for us.
I've freely given cyanogen my data for years. And in return Steve has given me high quality work for my trouble. .....privacy concerns accepted. ....g
The easiest way to prevent CM from getting any data from you is too not install, not really that hard to figure out.
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Wow really it's the best email count I've ever used, and now they decide to kill it off.
Just like the original Google home page that most of us loved.
https://venturebeat.com/2018/09/12/google-will-kill-inbox-by-gmail-in-march-2019/
It is pretty good...least they have till March to change their minds
They're not going to change their minds. Why should they, when all of Inbox's features are now part of Gmail? Now, if they could only figure out which messaging app they want to keep and dump the rest they'd be all set.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
They're not going to change their minds. Why should they, when all of Inbox's features are now part of Gmail? Now, if they could only figure out which messaging app they want to keep and dump the rest they'd be all set.
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That's not even remotely true. The best features like Bundles for example are missing. However they are not going to change their mind. If we are lucky all of the Features will be incorporated into Gmail eventually but with the pace Google is handling things I would not keep my hopes up to see that happening until before they kill Inbox. Otherwise they just kill it and have people deal with it without merging the features that made Inbox great into Gmail.
Hey, I'm only going by what Google themselves has said regarding the features. But, we do agree that Google isn't going to change their minds.
I changed to inbox because it's free of advertising, simple and with good UI.
Does it mean no more updates, but still we could use it or not?
When Inbox shuts down, any attempts to use it will reroute to Gmail.
This is really getting old, that take away great features that makes them stand out. Then being along something else not as good.
I mean Google has how many messaging apps.
Sheesh I can't keep up, everything is in better with these people.
Change. Org we need to start a page leave inbox alone. I'll start it and link it here, may not do any good but who knows.
Dont see Change.org helping anyway (already there are more than a couple live), and that too ~250.+ signs. Even if it reaches 10k 20k .. its nothing compared to teh millions users and a corporate can't be persuaded so easily which itself has gone through long discussions internally to come to a closure.
Only hope is Google to implement all features in Inbox moved in to gmail. Gmail is till pretty far from the Material Design 2.0 and the overall sense is still from the old days. .
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Dont see Change.org helping anyway (already there are more than a couple live), and that too ~250.+ signs. Even if it reaches 10k 20k .. its nothing compared to teh millions users and a corporate can't be persuaded so easily which itself has gone through long discussions internally to come to a closure.
Only hope is Google to implement all features in Inbox moved in to gmail. Gmail is till pretty far from the Material Design 2.0 and the overall sense is still from the old days. .
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Yeah your right they could care less, probably a waste of time