[Q] questions about root and CMW - AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777

I have experience with rooting HTC devices and the HP touchpad, but i am a complete samsung noob. Things seem to work completely different with recovery on the this phone. I managed to get cwm recovery on the phone by flashing the entropy kernal (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1289460); however, it also says this is for gingerbread non-aosp roms only. Does that mean the CWM will not flash an ICS rom such as ICScrewed?
I am just generally confused cause on my other devices, kernals were always flashed using CMW, not the other way around. If someone can clear this up that would be amazing. I tried searching and looking in the stickies but i still can't find the info im looking for. thanks.

ICScrewed is not an ICS rom, its just themed that way.
We do not have working ICS yet, check the sticky.
You can flash one but audio will not work.

LiLChris06 said:
ICScrewed is not an ICS rom, its just themed that way.
We do not have working ICS yet, check the sticky.
You can flash one but audio will not work.
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o ok, thanks. thats clears that part up thanks. I'm doing this for a friend but it turned out to be much more hassle than i was expecting. So any rom suggestions? I don't like the idea of pretending to have ICS much. I'm looking for a rom that's debloated, faster, more battery life, and has some visual polish. I'm not a huge fan of the stock touchwiz look.

UnNamed and ShoStock have a few themes and are by far the most stable I know of.
Or you can check i9100 roms and port them over or grab one that already is ported.

Read the Sticky thread thats in the General Section.

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[Q] Questions about new OS's and most things root and kernels... For Vibrant T-959

Hello everyone! I recently began contemplating rooting and doing custom installs for my 959, for something fresh and better performing, also seems my music player has been acting up recently and am really interested in something new along with voodoo sound... If necessary anymore ? Thing is, there are so many ways to root, and there are so many custom roms??? I don't know where to start or what to look for? I just want one of the better, stable, new custom roms available as of this date for the t-959. I search but seems there's no definitive answer? Just a lot of roms haha?
Also when downloading a rom, do I have to download like 30-40-50 kernels and add them? I see all these roms, kernels and update??? Is it just download a rom and that's it, am I making more of it than it should be?
I'm just really noob'ish, really confused, and really, really nervous! I can't afford to brick this phone, but I really want something new.
Thanks for reading, and I apologize for some of the silly questions I have asked .
I fell in love with rom flashing as it greatly improves performance and gives phone a new look. Especially since Vibrant isn't supported anymore.. I can't live without voodoo goodies=) Definitely improves sound.
Negative side of custom roms is it takes up some of your time.. Finding a rom you like, tweaking it.. Not too mention you might brick you phone.
If you decide so.. the most important thing is always read OP...
I used superoneclick to root. I recommend Bionix 1.3.1 as a first rom very stable though a bit outdated. After playing around with the rom, you can try different 2.2 kernels and modems. Then go on to gingerbread roms.=)
Extremely easy. I'd suggest reading some of my guides in my signature.
I would Odin
Then download a ROM (nothing else needed)
Download my option b update.zip
Move both to internal sd
Reboot into recovery
Click reinstall packages
Choose to install zip from sd, select ROM, reboot.
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s15274n said:
Extremely easy. I'd suggest reading some of my guides in my signature.
I would Odin
Then download a ROM (nothing else needed)
Download my option b update.zip
Move both to internal sd
Reboot into recovery
Click reinstall packages
Choose to install zip from sd, select ROM, reboot.
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Thank you trailblazer and thanks s15....
Any roms you would recommend s15? I appreciate the starting rom you gave me Trail, I'm looking for something a little more up to date I suppose? I was looking at cm7 or Simply Honey 5.0 Revolution(JVR GB 2.3.4)? Something with voodoo already in it? Something pretty stable with a bit of features. Maybe a lil less lag than stock 2.2, better performance, audio and battery life as well?
Thanks so much again both!
cm7 in nightlies still, though seem pretty stable, i havent tried for a while. Lots of features though dont think battery too great.
Simply Honey is a good one, stable, lots of features, great developer support.
I'm currently on RevolutionRom 2.3.4, stable and smooth for me, only bad is itfreezes like once or twice a day. More of a sgs2 look which i like. Good battery.
FYI Flashing Gingerbread roms, you will need to flash gingerbread bootloaders to remove rainbows and see recovery ( theres a post on it)
Also GPS isn't stable on gingerbread.
trailblazerz11 said:
cm7 in nightlies still, though seem pretty stable, i havent tried for a while. Lots of features though dont think battery too great.
Simply Honey is a good one, stable, lots of features, great developer support.
I'm currently on RevolutionRom 2.3.4, stable and smooth for me, only bad is itfreezes like once or twice a day. More of a sgs2 look which i like. Good battery.
FYI Flashing Gingerbread roms, you will need to flash gingerbread bootloaders to remove rainbows and see recovery ( theres a post on it)
Also GPS isn't stable on gingerbread.
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I think I'm gonna try the simply honey one or wait till he does a final release?, as for the bootloaders, what do I do or go to there? Also for the kernels, do I need to download one for simply honey? Should I download one for it?
I seen some roms or kernel can improve wifi and signal? Is that true, if so point me in that direction hahaha...
Thanks so much bro by the way.
search for Vibrant gingerbread bootloader, it's flashable via odin..simply honey roms comes with bullet kernel & there's Simply Honey Talon Kernel build by simone201 =)
Thanks man, do you mind if I ask which one you would recommend (Odin or Clockwork?)... I stumbled upon this youtube how to called "Custom ROM installation tutorial for the T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S (Vibrant)", and was just wondering if I can apply all his methods to SH 5.0? Sorry tried to link it but cannot due to my post count... Oh and when I'm done, how should I proceed with the new talon kernel?
Also if there's a new release of honey or the final release, say I installed this one... Do I have to do it all over again? Same wit kernels? Finally, do I need to revert my unrooted stock 2.2 froyo back to a previous version before gingerbread or any of this?
Thanks for your reply. I'm actually feeling like it's almost go time with this rom and kernel haha. Really thanks heaps!
D bootloader is only flashable by odin..you can read the OP for simply honey, what you need is all in there in d development area..flash kernel that works 4ur phone u decide on that wether bullet or talon..you can use sgs kernel flasher to switch bet the two..
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Djhemz07 said:
D bootloader is only flashable by odin..you can read the OP for simply honey, what you need is all in there in d development area..flash kernel that works 4ur phone u decide on that wether bullet or talon..you can use sgs kernel flasher to switch bet the two..
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One last question before I do this, I seen SH 5.1, but I seen it was for the i9000? Which one should be used? or the one you may recommend? Im looking for voodoo sound controls.
Thanks
EDIT:
Nevermind I read it will be up tomorrow... gonna do 5.1, this is pretty exciting as long as I don't screw anything up hahaha
i reverted back to stock firmware via odin and one click rooted my phone, factory wiped all data and now I remember after I rooted my phone I had unzipped file in my sd card and it told me that i can just delete it after I was done, well i did and then watched a video on clockwork that said not to delete it?
EDIT: Nevermind I fixed it, I just unrooted and rooted again...
So sorry for being a pain, I know you guys have better things to do.
3 questions and this thread is done... thanks for the help...
1. Does the market work on simply honey? Like can go in and search and download it like usual?
2. should I use odin to install 5.1 or cw?
3. how does the kb5 work? is that like default or do i have to flash it?
Thanks a million in advance!

2.2 fw

Hi guys, I don't have a Vibrant myself but a friend asked if I could update him to 2.2.
So,
a) Where can I download stock firmwares. *edit- found this, is it latest?
b) What are some good FULLY FUNCTIONAL roms?
I have downloaded AIO Vibrant Toolbox, will that be enough to flash from stock 2.1 or do I need Odin? I have/can use adb etc & I'm not a noob, just my 1st time looking at a Sammy phone.
TIA for any answers.
*edit 2- Wtf is JFD?
Download and install Vibrant Kies Mini from Samsung Vibrant Download Center. This will update your friend's Vibrant to the official 2.2
Thanks for the reply!
I have heard only bad things about Kies in the little research I've done so far. Is it the safest way to go?
AyDee said:
Thanks for the reply!
I have heard only bad things about Kies in the little research I've done so far. Is it the safest way to go?
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I don't know if it is the safest, but I have done it at least 5 times and it never failed me.
Try Toxic. It's really fast and stable.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1203549
Whatever you do, do NOT do what was just suggested by Krys.
Your research isn't wrong. There's a reason that "Kies killed my phone" is the only surefire way to get warranty work done on your Vibrant. It's all kinds of bad.
As for good ROMs, you probably noticed in our Vibrant bible that there are quite a few.
Bionix 1.3.1 (untouched by me) is reportedly the most stable experience, though it hasn't been updated in some time (some would say it doesn't need updating).
Zendroid is probably the best stripped down and tweaked Froyo ROM. Touchwiz has been removed as has had pretty much all the bloatware.
If you're into theming, and don't want to make the jump to MIUI (2.3.7 Gingerbread AOSP ROM), I suggest giving Toxic8 a try. It's been stable in my experience, and the number of themes available for it are pretty extensive. It's also the newest of the Froyo ROMs, so it has all the latest tweaks.
If you need instructions on how to install (flash) them, there are multiple guides to choose from in our development and other forums.
Happy hunting! Drinks are on the house!
BIG Thanks for the quick answers.
He was wanting stock at first but I'll see what I can talk him into. I probably won't be able to give him much support after I flash so I'll definitely look at those more stable roms you mentioned, kaintfm. Gonna go "thank" another random post of yours.
Cheers.
I am using Toxic8 now after coming from a Motorola (locked bootloader with no custom kernels) however we broke it down and are in the process of developing CM7.1 for it. Not bad for a phone that had no "official" update from the manufacturer.
Anyways, like I said, I am using Toxic8 w/ Gingerbread theme and have no complaints so far. I have basically put this thing through the ringer over the last few weeks and it is holding up pretty damn good. Comes with Bali 1.2OC kernel and build.prop tweaks and V6supercharger. I like it enough to make it my "home" ROM.
I definitely agree with kaintfm on avoiding Kies. It's much easier to flash via CWM anyway. I highly recommend ZenDroid and Project-V, but what I'll be sticking with for quite some time is the Ultimate 8.2 port. Battery life is fantastic for me, and it's one of the smoothest roms I've used (previously ZenDroid). But honestly, it will all be a matter of personal preference since pretty much all the Froyo roms we have are slick and polished.
AyDee said:
Hi guys, I don't have a Vibrant myself but a friend asked if I could update him to 2.2.
So,
a) Where can I download stock firmwares. *edit- found this, is it latest?
b) What are some good FULLY FUNCTIONAL roms?
I have downloaded AIO Vibrant Toolbox, will that be enough to flash from stock 2.1 or do I need Odin? I have/can use adb etc & I'm not a noob, just my 1st time looking at a Sammy phone.
TIA for any answers.
*edit 2- Wtf is JFD?
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Your link in the Op is to KB5 (T959UVKB5) T959 is the vibrant model number, KB5 is the build number. It is the last 2.2 froyo for the vibrant. You can find the build number of what's currently on the phone in settings/about phone.
JFD (T959UVJFD) was the original build when the phone was released.
To keep the phone stock at the latest 2.2 use the link (T959UVKB5) you noted. If you have used Odin before (a samsung flashing tool) use that or you can root the phone and used the .zip file in CWM. There are links to Odin and ways to root in this forum. The Vibrant is very easy to root and Flash.
The stock KB5 is what you linked to. All the other Roms based on KB5 are good, they are pretty much just themed differently. All the 2.3 Gingerbread roms have issues (which may or may not bother you but I would not want to support some one else's phone with the issues, GPS, FC's, reboots, etc.) as they are ports from other phones
Kies Mini worked for me, and I like the SBL update.
I've used Kies Mini to update to KB5 when it first came out and I'm glad I did it. The process was smooth and easy, and the update included an update to the SBL which dramatically made my 3 buttons work great.
Many of the roms here have the SBL update taken out.
I would say if you don't have voodoo or any other stuff, and you can odin back to JFD, I would try kies mini without being too scared.
Excellent, thanks again to everyone!
I got all the info I had hoped for from all angles.
Stay classy, Vibrant forums!

[Q] ROM suggestion

Hello!
I currently use AXURA but i heard that newer rom can be faster or have some new features/fix. Any rom that i could try? I just want a lag free experience, good battery life and gps working properly. Also, some roms seems complicated to install. With axura i only needed to boot with clockword mod and install it. Can i still do that?
Thanks
Try actually reading some threads your questions are way to general and beginner u should do some homework first
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Hello!
I currently use AXURA but i heard that newer rom can be faster or have some new features/fix. Any rom that i could try? I just want a lag free experience, good battery life and gps working properly. Also, some roms seems complicated to install. With axura i only needed to boot with clockword mod and install it. Can i still do that?
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Depends on if you want froyo or GB.
Previous poster was correct go to the development section and read. If you want froyo Trigger was nice and solid but not updated anymore. Crazy8 is also solid.
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Why are there SO MANY OF THESE DAMN THREADS!!! USE THE DAMN SEARCH BUTTON.
eldgrim said:
Hello!
I currently use AXURA but i heard that newer rom can be faster or have some new features/fix. Any rom that i could try? I just want a lag free experience, good battery life and gps working properly. Also, some roms seems complicated to install. With axura i only needed to boot with clockword mod and install it. Can i still do that?
Thanks
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1st I noticed you are in Canada, make sure the roms here compatible with the canadian Vibrant before you flash them.
2ndly if you want working GPS, then this automatically rules out GB unless you like rebooting your phone everytime you want to use the GPS. Also, 911 doesn't work on many of the GB roms, so you might be putting your life in danger also.
Do you guys have 911 in Canada?
My fall back rom is stock deodexed/rooted KB5 android 2.2, with the stock voodoo kb5 kernel. Then to eliminate any lag from touchwiz I run launcher pro instead. This combination is lag free, has a working GPS as good as it will get with our ****ty GPS, and 911 works. So I suggest for you. Install deodexed/rooted stock kb5, then the stock kb5 kernel with voodoo, then install launcherpro to eliminate touchwiz lag. enjoy
My GPS works just fine on gb roms as do others so don't listen to the post above
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My GPS works just fine on gb roms as do others so don't listen to the post above
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And a lot don't either
Read some of the information in this forum.
Look at this link, it is in the development
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991267
Depending on what you want and use the phone for, the differences between 2.2 roms and 2.3 roms are these two major things
2.2 roms will get you better battery life and more reliable GPS over 2.3 roms. So, depending how techie are are will probably be the thing that sways you. All the roms have specific instructions on how to flash, they are not hard if you understand written English.
ALSO.......... IN THE FUTURE PUT YOUR QUESTIONS IN THE Q&A NOT GENERAL
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[Kernel] ICS 4.0.3 Stock Kernel

Don't flash this as you already have one from ur ICS ROM! I just did not see any Stock Kernel that is the reason why i made a thread!
Haven't seen a stock ICS 4.0.3 kernel in development section so i m just dropping stock kernel in case some one needs it.
It meant we'll have mod kernel soon? Better battery faster ... everything.
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ummm... what?! Is this i717 specific, or just the AOSP 4.0.3 kernel? How did we get this for the i717 without source? Where is it from? So many questions!!!11 lol
If this is for real, someone please throw a bucket of ice water (and/or trout) on Da_G...
I have tried to use this tool http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20806471&postcount=1 to inject init.d support into the stock kernel but cannot tell if it worked. It worked on the stock ICS kernel for the Asus Transformer according to this post. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=23005237&postcount=104
Anyone else more familiar with init.d care to try it? It did give me an init.d folder, and the command prompt on PC seemed like it was successful but I can't tell from the file it placed in init.d after first boot if it was successful or not. I tried putting a supercharger script in the init.d folder but it doesn't seem to be working.
edit: Also at the risk of sounding dumb I don't know what set permission as 755 is. I tried to set the permissions of the folder to match the other folders in the directory.
I don't understand why are guys so happy about this ?
This kernel (boot.img) is already in ICS ROMs,
you can just unzip one of those ROMs or the leak and there you have it !
They need kernel SOURCE to do overclock etc.
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Jckpsa said:
I don't understand why are guys so happy about this ?
This kernel (boot.img) is already in ICS ROMs,
you can just unzip one of those ROMs or the leak and there you have it !
They need kernel SOURCE to do overclock etc.
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I was assuming this was source... which, as my previous post indicates, wouldn't make sense.
Otherwise, you're right, this isn't anything special. Nice to have separately? Sure, I guess...
so what is a kernal is this a ics leak, im a nubie and pretty stupid.
thanks
Guys, this is STOCK ICS 4.0.3 Kernel. In other words, the kernel that was provided with the leak. It's unmodified.
zer0nine said:
Guys, this is STOCK ICS 4.0.3 Kernel. In other words, the kernel that was provided with the leak. It's unmodified.
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yes we know this.......which is not that useful for the dev....as they need the source code for the kernel.....without the source code....we can't OC/undervolt and do all the lovely things that we need...
I've been wanting a stock ICS version as there have been a few bugs that I can't get away from with the two mods I've tried... Maybe it's ICS, maybe it's me, but now I can see how the original runs. Thanks!
Surrylic said:
I've been wanting a stock ICS version as there have been a few bugs that I can't get away from with the two mods I've tried... Maybe it's ICS, maybe it's me, but now I can see how the original runs. Thanks!
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You do know this is just the kernel right? If you flash only this after a full wipe, you're not going to have a booting Android phone.
You sure? I would think it would be more like flashing it to what is already in it, unless, this is not for the i717.
thair7391 said:
You do know this is just the kernel right? If you flash only this after a full wipe, you're not going to have a booting Android phone.
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You sure? I would think it would be more like flashing it to what is already in it, unless, this is not for the i717.
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I think he means if you flash it after a "full" wipe, meaning clearing the system. If you just do a data and cache wipe it should be fine, if of course you are running an ICS ROM.
live4nyy said:
I think he means if you flash it after a "full" wipe, meaning clearing the system. If you just do a data and cache wipe it should be fine, if of course you are running an ICS ROM...
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...which already has the same kernel, so there would be no point.
If this isn't source, then I don't understand what this is for. Every i717 ICS leak currently available has this kernel already included. Having it on your SD card just in case isn't really going to do anyone any good, since everyone running any of the currently available ICS ROMs is already running this very kernel. If this is acceptable, then I won't be surprised to see others parting out the leak and posting pieces of it in the dev section, when it really belongs in General since it isn't source. Please don't flame me, just trying to make a point.
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If this isn't source, then I don't understand what this is for. Every i717 ICS leak currently available has this kernel already included. Having it on your SD card just in case isn't really going to do anyone any good, since everyone running any of the currently available ICS ROMs is already running this very kernel. If this is acceptable, then I won't be surprised to see others parting out the leak and posting pieces of it in the dev section, when it really belongs in General since it isn't source. Please don't flame me, just trying to make a point.
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It's pretty useful for noobs who flashed DaG's kernel mistaking it for an ICS kernel.
OP is pretty misleading. There is no reason to flash this at the moment.
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Actually, I dont understand what the big deal is...
There are stock roms in the development thread aren't there?
Stock Odin recovery image:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1506330
Stock boot & recovery:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1504999
Strange that no one *****ed about these being in Android Development... I dont see what the difference is.
All this is is the stock kernel from the ICS leak taken out and made available for flashing in case you want to flash the stock kernel FROM THE ICS LEAK (so, if you are still on stock GB, this wont be helpful, this is ONLY useful if you are running the stock, unmodified ICS leak and have changed the kernel and want to revert back to the stock ICS kernel from the leaked ICS rom).
The OP is pretty self explanatory, in fact, the title of the thread is pretty self explanatory. I mean, ICS 4.0.3 STOCK KERNEL sounds pretty clear to me.
My only beef is not with the thread or its location but the lack of organization on XDA. There should literally be a category for ROMS, another for mods & themes & apps, and another for stock images. Q&A should be removed and combined with General. Given the limitation of the current choices, this doesnt fit under General, Q&A, Themes and Apps, or Accessories. The next best fit is Android Development. This is of course all my opinion.
Thread moved
Stock kernels belong in General.
littlewierdo said:
All this is is the stock kernel from the ICS leak taken out and made available for flashing in case you want to flash the stock kernel FROM THE ICS LEAK (so, if you are still on stock GB, this wont be helpful, this is ONLY useful if you are running the stock, unmodified ICS leak and have changed the kernel and want to revert back to the stock ICS kernel from the leaked ICS rom)
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I really didn't want to jump back into this, and it seriously doesn't bother me at all that this was posted... that said, there are NO modified ICS kernels on our Notes right now (we're all on the same kernel at the moment), so this won't become useful until someone modifies one (as appdroid apparently intends to do to add init.d) -- and even then, it will need to be replaced once the official ICS build/source gets released.
Either way, like I said, this thread doesn't bother me at all... appdroid's dev efforts on the Note are much appreciated!

[Q] Totally lost...Help me?

So, after reading through all of the Noob threads and such, I'm lost. There seems to be contradictory information, I'm not sure which phone mine even is (kidding, I know its a SGH-i777) or how to get anything started.
I just came from an ATT Motorola Atrix 2, and I was fairly familiar with that. I had it rooted and running a custom ROM. It seems to me however, that there is a LOT more going on for this phone than the A2.
There's things I don't understand. I know about ClockWorkMod backups, installing .zip's, restoring from backups, rooting (using Super1Click) on my A2.
What is/are ODIN? Modems?
How many of the ROMs are actually ICS?
and is CM9 a nightly or a daily (currently) ?
And I sincerely apologize. I am fully expecting and knowlegdgeable about the 'search bar', FAQs, etc that are going to come my way.
If anyone has a few simple answers, that would be greatly appreciated.
I'll lend a hand.
Well, firstly, I hope you know that the only way to get CWM on our phone is to install a custom kernel (can't update CWM on it's own either, the only way to change what version of CWM you have is to install an updated or different custom kernel).
Odin is a PC program built by Samsung for flashing proprietary roms. We've just adapted its use for flashing custom roms too, though only for flashing stock rooted ROMs without bootloaders (usually includes kernels). Heimdall is the equivalent program that also runs on Mac/Linux.
Modems are CWM-flashable zips that change the baseband, deals with signal strength and cellular data speeds (does not affect wifi speeds).
Most of the first page of the Original Android Development section are custom ICS roms: ShoStock2, Phone Bricker, CM, AOKP, Foxhound, etc just to name a few. I have no idea if CM is daily, I don't use it.
The links in the sticky by Red5 at the top of this (and every I777) forum will get you started, especially creepyncrawly's guide.
Hit thanks please! And good luck
EDIT: I felt compelled to add this. I don't know how flashing works on an Atrix, but for I777 NEVER FLASH THE BOOTLOADERS (unless you absolutely have to in order to get back to stock, and you know full well what you're doing). That's the one way to risk hardbricking your new phone.
Chrisruns said:
and is CM9 a nightly or a daily (currently) ?
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hehe, got a kick outta this question. What would be the difference? the time of release?
Nightly's are just an automatically compiled ROM. Normally one a day.
There is no CM9 stable for our device yet......and anyways AOKP is better
karate has covered pretty well.
To add to his response to your question about ICS ROM.
Chris made this great thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1532368
About CM9 nightly, AFAIK, they compile/build/ and upload during night time (to 2am or 4am). That's why it gets that name.
And basically all of this could have been found using the almighty Google. But you already have your answer from some if the nicer people on the forum.
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