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I'm just curious, but is there a rom that is desensed but that also doesn't use adw or launcher products or something? Like is there a rom with a stock android launcher thing (thinking like the nexus s)?
Try the CyanogenMod release candidate. I've heard its pretty solid. Haven't tried it myself.
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I'm just curious, but is there a rom that is desensed but that also doesn't use adw or launcher products or something? Like is there a rom with a stock android launcher thing (thinking like the nexus s)?
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The latest OMFGB build is near, if not already perfect. I have used it for a good while now, and honestly can't find a single bug. Latest nightly found HERE.
Thanks, ill try those out.
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I'm just curious, but is there a rom that is desensed but that also doesn't use adw or launcher products or something? Like is there a rom with a stock android launcher thing (thinking like the nexus s)?
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OMGB and CyanogenMod 7(CM7) are similar to the Nexus S ROM as previously stated. OMGB is closer to the Nexus S vanilla android ROM. CM7 has been tweaked to include many options not found on a vanilla android ROM. OMGB does come with a stock launcher like the Nexus S. CM7 comes with ADW launcher but I always replace it with a stock launcher like the Nexus S. Some features of CM7 I use are: Hold back button to kill an application, a render FX widget which turns the screen red for night time viewing, settings to control the CPU frequency, and tether - wifi hotspot options. OMGB may have some or all of these features, I'm not sure. OMGB it is the closest you can get to a Nexus S type ROM, and gets a lot of praise from the users here on XDA. Ultimately you'll have to do some reading and decide how far down the rabbit hole you want to go.
OMGB is actually much closer to the OS on the Nexus than either OMFGB or CM7. It is very smooth and fast, but lacks many of the customization features of the other two AOSP ROMs.
Alright, was thinking of getting the Flyer but I don't know if I would want it without an AOSP build on it. I mean it's cool, but it seems that this tablet would look beautiful with ICS or just vanilla android in general. I like sense but not enough to have a tablet with it.
So, are the devs planning any work on ICS or is it a dead cause?
I can't speak for every developer, but I don't think you will get a lot of takers to put in the vast amount of time an effort to build yet another vanilla tablet ROM when the Sense widgets and Stylus APIs add quite a bit to the Flyer and for some Sense widgets, there are no equal replacement widgets on the market. why bother, if someone doesn't want to use the Sense widgets and launcher, just don't use them, they hurt nothing in the background. And you cannot build a true working AOSP ROM anyway because you are always dependent on the hardware vendors drivers and kernel.
Just run the Flyer with ADW EX launcher or Launcher Pro if you like it better. Works fine that way.
Ill just say that I am NOT a fan of sense in general. I would never want it on a phone and run cyanogen on my evo 4g. BUT it actually works really well on the flyer. I wasn't a big fan of the sense launcher, so I'm running adw, but all of the other sense apps really add functionality to the tablet.
I'm a Rom whore on phones, but I'm still running the stock software (2.3.4) on my flyer because of works so well.
Just get a flyer and enjoy what's in my opinion the best tab available by far.
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Although we do not have the strongest developer base ever. We still do have developers that do work hard for us. I'm not saying that we're going to have developers that will build ICS for us, but what I can say that it would not be a stretch to port ICS from DHD, G2/DZ, MT4G. I can say this because I have seen the GB flyer port to my G2 and it should not be hard to do it the other way around. So really we just need to wait until one of those phones gets ICS or if Cyanogen decides to build for us. We'll get it eventually it will just be a matter of when. The whole I like sense vs. I don't like sense argument does not apply here, because this is android and we will have a choice between the two. We'll most likely also get an HTC sense build of ICS from HTC, but that may take a little time.
while i am enjoying my flyer with homeycomb/sense i have to agree. as much as i love htc devices,i really hate htc sense. id very much like some sort of AOSP rom as well- it really surprised me to not see any cm7 ports,or even official cm support.
i personally dont use any sense widgets or apps. simply running a different launcher doesnt get rid of sense. you still have sense contacts,keyboard,email,etc. sure you can get 3rd party apps for all those things,but that makes the appready huge footprint of the sense rom even bigger.
AOSP seems smoother and faster on my other htc devices,and id prefer it on my flyer as well. id like to learn how to port roms to different devices,so i could have cm7,8,or 9
I would love to see ICS make its way onto the Flyer. But with how long it's taken HTC to give us a HC update, I'm relying more on Cyanogen than anything else.
Being a guy who is seriously considering this sexy tablet myself.
I have been wondering if there would be an ICS port although an official seems unlikely.
I don't "need" a tablet, but a device to read manga on and watch videos every so often would be nice.
This is the smoothest tablet I've ever seen (I like it more than any other tablet I've seen.. including ipad 2, galaxy tab ect ect)
Decided to get nook tablet instead.
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We're not talking about an OG phone here with limited memory. The Flyer has gob of memory. Sense runs great on the flyer. While It might make you "feel" better to think you are running an AoSP ROM, there's nothing that makes it perform better. I would never give up the Pen or email and other widgets that sense has that no one else has for a good feeling. It doesn't make Sense.
ICS seems to be a close relative of Honeycomb.
I am hoping that the delay in releasing HC for Flyer officially is that HC is being cancelled and work is instead shifiting to ICS.
From what I see of ICS, I would take it over HC with Sense.
My guess is that no one is working on an ICS Mod for us.
hm.. gotta agree... there is no point in getting a rom if you actually are losing functionality... kinda the opposite direction of what most people hope for.
Especially sine 2.3.4 is a pretty decent version.
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We're not talking about an OG phone here with limited memory. The Flyer has gob of memory. Sense runs great on the flyer. While It might make you "feel" better to think you are running an AoSP ROM, there's nothing that makes it perform better. I would never give up the Pen or email and other widgets that sense has that no one else has for a good feeling. It doesn't make Sense.
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to each his own... i dont use the pen. i dont use any sense widgets. i like the way AOSP looks and feels,and the way the menus and native apps look. i dont like sense,and even if performance is exactly the same, *I* would enjoy *MY* flyer alot more if i had AOSP roms for it.
just my personal opinion... some folks like sense and sense widgets,and theres nothing wrong with that. but theres nothing wrong with prefering the look and feel of AOSP,either.
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to each his own... i dont use the pen. i dont use any sense widgets. i like the way AOSP looks and feels,and the way the menus and native apps look. i dont like sense,and even if performance is exactly the same, *I* would enjoy *MY* flyer alot more if i had AOSP roms for it.
just my personal opinion... some folks like sense and sense widgets,and theres nothing wrong with that. but theres nothing wrong with prefering the look and feel of AOSP,either.
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I think you mean you've bought the wrong tablet.
You have to know HTC == Sense. Just don't buy HTC if you complain about Sense.
With all the ICS Alpha ports popping up these days, even on the HTC HD and such, I would not be surprised to see a repackage bootable of ICS for the Flyer soon. These came around for the Old color Nook in Honeycomb flavor, but never fully worked. The problem is they stay about about 70% working until HTC releases the ICS kernel and drivers. Nice to see how they look but things like camera, Bluetooth, video playback and phone don't work. Who knows? Maybe one of the tapped in developers can even patch together a working kernel from the current HTC source code. Since Google released the main OS source, things could get wild.
digital,you are correct,sdk ports rarely amount to anything useable and worthwhile. source code is needed to really get all the functionality.
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I think you mean you've bought the wrong tablet.
You have to know HTC == Sense. Just don't buy HTC if you complain about Sense.
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i know htc very well. i dont ever buy a device for the software it runs,since everything i own gets rooted and ROMed. i buy htc because i like the hardware,and i like the way they "work". i bought the flyer because i like messing with htc products.
lots of folks dont understand my fondness for htc,but my dislike of sense. as i stated,im enjoying my flyer very much with sensified HC. i dont mind sense in small doses , and and if AOSP roms were available,id prolly flip flop back and forth between them. not complaining,im not wishing i hadnt bought it. all i did was agree with the OP in that i also have a strong preference for AOSP.
again,nothing wrong with liking sense. nothing wrong with not liking it either.
Sense 4.0 for Android ICS in the works for 2012.
All quads from the HTC are going to feature Beats Audio. They are also to have HTC Sense 4.0
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sens...-to-battle-ones-from-Samsung-and-Asus_id23932
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Being a guy who is seriously considering this sexy tablet myself.
I have been wondering if there would be an ICS port although an official seems unlikely.
I don't "need" a tablet, but a device to read manga on and watch videos every so often would be nice.
This is the smoothest tablet I've ever seen (I like it more than any other tablet I've seen.. including ipad 2, galaxy tab ect ect)
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I enjoy reading manga on mine. The screen is very nice.
To each his own, but when you have a vast majority who bought this for what it is and not what it can be hacked to, you're pretty much in the minority. So if you want the latest and greatest vanilla that breaks functionality most of us want, then you better bone up on your development skills.
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to each his own... i dont use the pen. i dont use any sense widgets. i like the way AOSP looks and feels,and the way the menus and native apps look. i dont like sense,and even if performance is exactly the same, *I* would enjoy *MY* flyer alot more if i had AOSP roms for it.
just my personal opinion... some folks like sense and sense widgets,and theres nothing wrong with that. but theres nothing wrong with prefering the look and feel of AOSP,either.
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This article claims that the Flyer will be shown by HTC in February running ICS.
Rumor has it that, in the coming months, HTC will unveil the first tablet underpinned by the new Nvidia Tegra 3 quad-core platform. It seems that the HTC quad-core tablet will be revealed at Mobile World Congress 2012, event that takes place in Barcelona, in late February. Of course, the information is not official, bit it seems that it’s coming from a source close to the situation. Anyway, a lot of things can change in three months. At the Catalonian event, HTC will also reveal the Flyer and Jetstream models with stylus support and running on Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich.
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That makes sense,honeycomb source code is a subset of ICS so most of the hard work is already done. Can't wait for stable HC. IcS Will come in due time.
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I've just been re-reading the official Sony comparison of their Gingerbread and ICS offering. This time I've had the chance to read more properly all the things they said. For the first time I actually have sympathy for Sony. The manufacturers bring out phones (e.g. SE) with the Xperias 2011 all running Gingerbread from the very start, then the next Google upgrade wipes out the phones. I owned the 2010 X10 Mini and our phone got wiped out the same way. It seems to me that we consumers do not benefit. Anyone who comes to this forum is already a bit of tech. nut, we are a very small population of the whole market, of course we want to try what's new and hot. But in this blog, Sony is explicitly saying that ICS is much, much more demanding on system resources and that we will definitely see a fall in performance, they clearly reference longer boot up time, apps force closing and stalling as well as poor video performance for different reasons that they explain in the blog.
http://developer.sonymobile.com/wp/...nical-differences-between-gingerbread-and-ics
Now I want to wait before I upgrade and check out the news. A few new icons and wallpapers is NOT good enough reason for me to upgrade. Better battery is a good reason to wait, which in that blog, Sony says you will get with Gingerbread over ICS. Do we really benefit here? Do we have to buy a new phone every year now, because Google is bumping up the demands of Android, like Microsoft did with Windows Vista? Windows 7 has less requirements than Vista, only slightly, and 8 has the same requirements as 7 so at least we could use the same laptop/pc for a few years. With Google, the way they are doing this is screwing us over I think.
For you, stay with Gingerbread, move to ICS, not sure or want to wait?
Ray users say they havent experienced any major bugs... Battery is definitely poor for now.....
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I think on the minis and active devices we have the advance of having a smaller resolution area while having almost the same hardware as the other xperia 2011
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They are really both very good points: we can look to the current Sony beta roms for more clues and it is true, our smaller screen being powered by the same CPU is an advantage. Perhaps we Mini users will have the least trouble amongst the 2011 Xperias?
Gingerbread would still be the most dominant OS, due to its stability on most phones,
having a new OS or phone is not always the best option.
I really thank the devs here in XDA, they are keeping old phones alive,
giving us a chance to have a taste of the new flavor and further improving stock OS on current phones.
I just recently read about the Xperia S Rom ported to Xperia X10 here, how cool is that...?
I'll choose the custom ICS rom.. sony and other manufacturer has done nothing but giving us all those bloatware while calling it "feature" rather than craps. + I see upgrade as change in UI, but sony's ICS UI has not change much compared to GB
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you can always remove the bloatwares , though of course with custom roms we can do a lot of things which are still restricted even with a rooted stock rom
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I'll choose the custom ICS rom.. sony and other manufacturer has done nothing but giving us all those bloatware while calling it "feature" rather than craps. + I see upgrade as change in UI, but sony's ICS UI has not change much compared to GB
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If you want a different UI, just use a different home.apk? Just saying...
But yea i'm with the OP on these thoughts, have had the same thoughts for quite some time now. The thing is, we can make ICS faster on our devices just as we did with GB, but... How stable will the non-stock ICS roms be? Honestly I would rather see MIUI roms derived from GB as a base than ICS. A lot more stable with less bugs. Even the MIUI roms aren't AOSP based (as are official MIUI releases), they are FXP based roms. So, all in all we are between Stock and FXP releases.
I am not bashing on people working on developing MIUI and various ICS based roms, but like the OP, i'd rather have stability over "new features", such as full HW acceleration, which can be triggered using a variable in GB too (mind you that uses more juice).
I am going to seriously think about moving Spartan Rom from stock GB rom as a source, to stock ICS as a source.
Even if the battery consumption, which in my list of priorities for a fully functional rom is the highest in the list, is sub-par, I wont be switching over to ICS personally.
@drumraden if you see about other devices there are lots of stable roms are available (mostly aosp based, even I am using a stable custom rom for my Xoom)
We just need to give time to the devs to come up with stable ice roms.
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You don't get my point.
The only reason to build an MIUI from ICS sources, is for the **** of saying its ICS therefore updated.
Yeah as for battery drain, I'm afraid Sony says on that site above that battery will be less durable with official ICS. What a shame. The discussion here though is really making me thing about all of this.
Yeah I am seriously thinking of going back to gb as soon as there is a good miui rom I am right now on ics because there is only one really stable miui release for the lww and it is ics but i really prefer better battery life.
On the other hand I prefer ics over hb a thousand times on my tab but it has like 7 times the battery of my phone so I have no issue with that.
I'll prefer ICS when main apps start to requires ICS.
While the requirements surround the GB I'll stick with it.
But it's nice to know that if it occurs my phone will be ready.
That's why I bought my mini-pro.
Personally, I will first give it a try. Then we will see, if it deserves to stay on my LWW or not...
yup ... sure will giv official a try ... but the best rom on gb wud be miui .... is that project still going on or has been dumped ?
i think lasan is still currently working on the GB MIUI port...
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i think lasan is still currently working on the GB MIUI port...
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I like the sound of that....perfect functionality and stunning visuals, yes.
Yup it feels tooo good..... Had it on ace.... Beautiful and fast......
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I'm running Kamarush's ICS version for sk17i: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1434001
and that works like a charm. all features that I need on a daily basis, it's really stable, and it's super fast, so if SE say it's more demanding, than that's just not true. All the roms here are so much faster than stock, because here people care about the roms. it feels like the big companies just put something together but never care to optimize it. android's biggest advantage is the custom stuff.
I do feel sorry for anybody running stock software though
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I'm running Kamarush's ICS version for sk17i: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1434001
and that works like a charm. all features that I need on a daily basis, it's really stable, and it's super fast, so if SE say it's more demanding, than that's just not true. All the roms here are so much faster than stock, because here people care about the roms. it feels like the big companies just put something together but never care to optimize it. android's biggest advantage is the custom stuff.
I do feel sorry for anybody running stock software though
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One simple question... How much battery %/hour does the rom you have installed consume in standby mode with all radios except mobile turned off.
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Well,
i tried to see if the jellybean could somehow run, and currently it seems to run just as the ICS port that chaos did.
im still struggling with the bluetooth on it, but basically it seems to work, i still am not sure its h/w/egl accelerated.
but it runs, but looks pretty much like our ICS build with pretty much the same flaws and problems, except it using framework from 4.1.1.
im testing gps and other part the next days and might upload but cannot promise continued work on it, since our kernel is still the primary reason for missing camera and proper app switching and performance tweaks of kernel 3.x.
btw, it was based based on desireHD+tf201 builds. libs of DHD and framework from tf201 (got AdvancedPowerMenu builtin)
got problems with 160 as density, then its still with mobile view, 120 works, but very small.
Hi any news on development with port on one v ?
Is that his would be more functional to have a port with the htc ville C2? with HTC Sense
Thx for trying Dexter. How r the odds to improve the port? Same as XXL port?
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Thx for trying Dexter. How r the odds to improve the port? Same as XXL port?
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well,
it goes forward. wifi,gps,compass,sound,vibrator,accelerometer,light sensor ..works..
camera,bluetooth and a fuzzy touch display when scrolling(as seen in other ics port)
I think the mobile view your seeing is the new 7 inch tablet mode. Basically the ui and launcher all look like a phone, while all the apps run in tablet view. I'm mixed on it myself, would be ok with it if the launcher worked in tablet mode. Good job nonetheless and good luck!
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For me scrolling issue is the most annoying. It doesn't let us feel the fluidity of ICS and JB. And, fluidity is the USP of these higher versions. Though I use camera often also, but fluid scrolling is must for me. And, this is our main reason why we want ics on our device.
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For me scrolling issue is the most annoying. It doesn't let us feel the fluidity of ICS and JB. And, fluidity is the USP of these higher versions. Though I use camera often also, but fluid scrolling is must for me. And, this is our main reason why we want ics on our device.
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agree, and that is part of the onexxl rom, but sorry, i do not see it here and display drivers are not compatible.
but important is also that drivers are not native for this device, i might be in better luck porting a OneV rom, when its official.
i tried parts of the nexus one where possible, and still not much improved here.
camera i live without, i got a mobile + real camera beside this one.
So I guess Drew will not release his "build" because you have one now?
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So I guess Drew will not release his "build" because you have one now?
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Lol
I think we harassed him enough on the sgs 3 forum that he is done lying about the flyer
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So I guess Drew will not release his "build" because you have one now?
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well, i am trying to port kernel changes to this rom, since chaos kernel compile, disables touch display for me, so im trying to see if i can get better performance on it with chaos work here, but unlike others, i cannot promise it works out. i am just trying for the fun.
i move from the tf201/dhd release to the official ota from nexus , so its odex'd for now, but does boot faster
okay,
i spend quite some time on it, and still no real progress.
media player is not using hardware decoding. and seems unstable when playing games.
i thought i had netflix working, but only upto playing a movie, and it went playing without picture
so for now, i am gonna rest on this work. it looked ok, but i do not accept all the bad flaws of it.
ill post an update, if i continue to look at it. for now i'm back at OneXXL
i decided to upload my work, with the recent changes done. you will find it online soon through this thread here
I have noticed some people comment that they don't like Sense, but they don't say why. It seems fine to me. Can anyone tell me the downside?
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It's a resource hog, plain and simple. The look and feel isn't bad, better than some of the other overlays for sure, but I much prefer stock Google for look and feel too.
With 3.6 and earlier, I didn't really care too much about Sense, but over time I started to really appreciate how they included everything I need instead of only a few things that don't work so well. I really don't like AOSP widgets, for example.
Then when Sense 4 came around, I knew I loved Sense after all. It's so polished and usable.
Maybe if I used widgets, I'd like Sense better. The only widget I run regularly is weather.
One of the things I find so invaluable about Sense is the calendar widgets. They are by far the best I've ever used on Android, and I've yet to find a Google Play app that provides widgets on the same level.
The music app on Sense is also really decent already and integrates perfectly with the lock screen.
Oh, and Peep is pretty decent as well. The Twitter app it comes with is rather nice.
I don't like sense. There's too many visual elements that do t look right, even in sense 4. If I took the time to theme it just the way i like it, I might be able to enjoy it. But AOSP is so much smoother and faster.
The only thing I love about sense is that clock widget. I can never get the clones to work properly with my set up D:
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I don't like sense. There's too many visual elements that do t look right, even in sense 4. If I took the time to theme it just the way i like it, I might be able to enjoy it. But AOSP is so much smoother and faster.
The only thing I love about sense is that clock widget. I can never get the clones to work properly with my set up D:
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The only problem is that weird in call voice bug Nd the camera sucks on aosp
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It's cool but I just get bored with it. It feels simple.
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The only problem is that weird in call voice bug Nd the camera sucks on aosp
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I've never used AOSP on the Rezound (I don't even have my Rez anymore) so I don't know what that's like
I love sense personally. And since 4, sense 4.1, and sense 4.5 all have lots to like about them.
I like AOSP too, but I get bored with it after a little while and miss sense.
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No. Boo on Sense.
I like sense, but its all I've used since my eris, inc1 and inc2. My wife has moto and I hate the look of it. I have flashed aosp roms before. Aosp is faster and smoother, but I don't like having to spend all the time to set up the look of my phone and the widgets aren't that greatand stock camera leaves a lot to be desired. Sense widgets are really useful and polished and the camera is one of the best. And it looks good already so I don't have to download a lot of themes and widgets from the market if I don't want to. I read an article that said sense takes away from the enginuity or innovation of android. But most android updates have included things that sense already incorporated previously. I had multi-touch pinch zoom and flash on donut, android added it in eclair. Sense had pinch to show all your homescreens in froyo but stock android didn't add it until gingerbread. But as mentioned before, it is a resource hog and you will get the most from your hardware with aosp. So its a give and take and really up to the user, but I prefer it.
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The sense 4 launcher is great. And that is it.
Loved the speed and simplicity of AOSP but the camera absolutely blows when compared to Sense.
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Loved the speed and simplicity of AOSP but the camera absolutely blows when compared to Sense.
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This.
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Loved the speed and simplicity of AOSP but the camera absolutely blows when compared to Sense.
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Totally agree. I never realized how ****ty the stock camera was until I started comparing my images from before AOSP and after switching to AOSP. Now that I am stuck with this ****ty AOSP camera, I am starting to realize why so damn many people use that stupid Instagram app!
I like some of the integrations that Sense has. It's gotten better, but it's still a bit sluggish to me. I've flopped back and forth between AOSP and Sense ROMs.
I liked Skyraider back on my thunderbolt, but that was 2.1. I liked the look of 4.0 but didn't really enjoy the feeling til 4.1. I switch between aosp and sense basically every other day. Lol.
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Of ALL the mobile operating systems out there, plain old vanilla Android is far and away the ugliest, most unrefined SOB in the group. It NEEDS something to dress it up. I actually wish Sense would go further. Like how about a real dictionary? BlackBerry and Apple put Android to shame in that department. And why do Android stock widgets have to be so unsightly and feature poor? Android's stock camera app has pretty much sucked on just about every device I've ever flashed it on, too. I'm perfectly happy to sacrifice speed for functionality if all the speed is doing is making another ugly, unrefined app, widget, or screen appear before me quicker. I've never handed a phone to someone after flashing AOSP on it and have them say "Hot damn, that ugly crap is FAST!", but I have handed phones to people with tight custom ROMs and fast kernels and had them say "Wow... This is the smoothest (fill in the blank) I've ever seen!"
aosp is ugly and boring. seems very utilitarian. I love how my rezound looks, but performance wise, I like the speed of aosp. I'm a certified sense lover, especially after having the nexus and the s3, and I can't wait for the dlx running the newest version.
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