I am waiting for my Archos 70 to come in. It should be here the 6th. and I was just wondering would it be possible to dual-boot windows on it? Sorry if it sounds stupid but this is my first tablet and just wondered if it would be possible.
and the reason why i would like it is because I would love to run android as the main platform but would also love to be able to run certain programs like Rosetta Stone while I'm on the go.
Not until the ARM version of Windows becomes available. You might be able to CE but I haven't seen anyone do that yet. You will also need to install the SDE to dual boot.
sorry to sound noobish but what is sde and CE?
truthkillszz said:
sorry to sound noobish but what is sde and CE?
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SDE is the "Special Developers Edition" of the Achos Firmware. You install it on your Archos & it will let you boot into a developer's menu which you can use to boot into other operating systems (at this point, Linux Based stuff including Android).
CE is the old-school embedable version of Windows that was used on PDAs & stuff 10 years ago. It is the precursor to Windows Mobile. It is still used in some cash registers & other specialty machines. Maybe you could manage to install it on your Archos...you won't be happy!
If I do use windows i will only use it when I want to use Rosetta Stone if it's compatible. But if we can do that we can switch between android and windows whenever we want?
NOOOOO.
You could only install Windows CE if ever.
And that is not a PC Windows.
This isn't a guide, more an informative post and discussion for Android application and platform developers, AND regular users. Maybe a guide in the future will be a goal of mine.
Some of you may or may not know what VMware is, what it is for, or never used it. Trying to keep the OP brief; VMware is a virtualization solution(s) for desktops and servers. In layman's terms it allows an operating system to be run inside another operating system, instead of setting your desktop to dual boot (have an option at startup to load either windows or Mac as example). There are many applications and benefits to this kind of solution that I won't get into in the OP.
Currently there are solutions available and being built, but are not yet completely optimized, but you can do it. For a developer this means you can be developing Android applications or platforms on whatever OS you want by virtualizing the OS and software currently supported. It also means that you can replace the Android virtual emulator with an Android OS inside VMware for application development, but also means you can load your Android platform into VMware for testing while you develop. Why would you want to do this? Well we all know how painful slow the emulator is, and it is just made worse if your hardware is slow. Because the emulator emulates software running on an arm processor inside an x86 environment things are slow, which means your development is slowed. Using VMware however you are using binary translation to "port" your platform to x86 processing. Currently this solution is not completely optimized, or "official" but it will be. That means less development time, more support, and a more convenient option!
The other edge of the sword is also a VMware virtual machine environment inside Android's Dalvik virtual machine. For users, and developers in certain scenarios this opens even more possibilities. Imagine having the ability to use your personal Android, and that pesky dumbed down corporate phone running together, the corporate advice running inside your personal device, or vice versa. Also, the ability to run any other OS in your device. Windows, Linux and UNIX distributions, solaris, Mac, whatever you wish. This opens lots more doors for Android devices.
Now not everything is complete, but it will be. It sounds like VMware will end up and be the de facto standard for virtualization for Android, as the solution is in the works for google to put VMware into the Android core, in the kernel. Now that would be sweet, because if you have used VMware you probably agree with me that it is THE virtualization solution in any application or solution you need it in.
Maybe this isn't as exciting to others as it is for me. What do you guys think? Let the topic begin!
The following links are meant more to cite my sources, but each one of them is a more detailed read into the topic, and well worth reading to inform yourself and see what is in the works:
http://i.downloadsquad.switched.com/2011/02/15/android-dalvik-vmware-virtualization/
http://gigaom.com/2011/09/27/vmware-mobilize-201/
http://www.android-x86.org/
Run ICS in x86!
gborn said:
Currently a thread about running ICS x86 in Virtualbox is spreaded here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19815659#post19815659
And I managed at least to create a version of ice cream sandwich running in VMware workstation 7 (should run also in VMware player 3 and 4 and in Workstation 8 as well). The steps to convert the Virtualbox image to VMware are described here.
http://www.borncity.com/blog/2011/11/29/running-ice-cream-sandwich-in-vmware/
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I use VMware and vSphere at work to manage a bunch of our servers. I'll have to check in with the guy at work who actually implements/sells this to customers to see what he thinks. It seems interesting for sure though.
DoctorComrade said:
I use VMware and vSphere at work to manage a bunch of our servers. I'll have to check in with the guy at work who actually implements/sells this to customers to see what he thinks. It seems interesting for sure though.
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I don't know if it applies to what your doing, but it is pretty cool to be able to use VMware on your mobile device. If you are managing virtual servers there is already an official solution from VMware you can download from the Android market. It is called VMware view, for Android. Pretty cool.
There is a thread currently at top, with 30 people saying the solution wanted is impossible. You are wrong guys, not impossible at all. You can have windows and Android booting on the same device. Arm processor, x86, doesn't matter with this solution.
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There is a thread currently at top, with 30 people saying the solution wanted is impossible. You are wrong guys, not impossible at all. You can have windows and Android booting on the same device. Arm processor, x86, doesn't matter with this solution.
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Nothing is impossible, but where are you going to get a bootloader, Windows binaries, and SoC drivers?
EGOvoruhk said:
Nothing is impossible, but where are you going to get a bootloader, Windows binaries, and SoC drivers?
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Well in terms of doing dual boot natively, I agree, probably never going to happen...ever. However if you run it in a virtual machine, just like Android runs in the Dalvik virtual machine, it can be done.
The bootloader and drivers are already built and would be taken care of by VMware. You make or hint at a valid point, there would never be enough desire for anyone to do it natively. It isn't impossible, but just would never see anyone take the time to do it
Ice Cream Sandwich x86 in VMware
Currently a thread about running ICS x86 in Virtualbox is spreaded here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19815659#post19815659
And I managed at least to create a version of ice cream sandwich running in VMware workstation 7 (should run also in VMware player 3 and 4 and in Workstation 8 as well). The steps to convert the Virtualbox image to VMware are described here.
http://www.borncity.com/blog/2011/11/29/running-ice-cream-sandwich-in-vmware/
gborn said:
Currently a thread about running ICS x86 in Virtualbox is spreaded here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19815659#post19815659
And I managed at least to create a version of ice cream sandwich running in VMware workstation 7 (should run also in VMware player 3 and 4 and in Workstation 8 as well). The steps to convert the Virtualbox image to VMware are described here.
http://www.borncity.com/blog/2011/11/29/running-ice-cream-sandwich-in-vmware/
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Bingo! Awesome contribution! Yeah this is one of the two examples I speak of, Android running on an x86 CPU (instead of arm like our phones and tablets) running as virtualization of hardware. Great reply to back me up, and even a guide to boot, AND ics!! If you must play with ICS before it gets to evo 3D
Added the ICS in VMware to OP.
I have tried this a few way and in no way can i get it to work on VMWARE gets stuck on found androidx86
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Added the ICS in VMware to OP.
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works fine, just make sure you follow the steps to the t and convert the .vdi images to .vmdk to run smoothly in vmwareplayer (the link to instructions is kinda hidden away)
i used virtualbox to convert, then vmplayer to run the vmdk
thanks for the info... fun to play around with
digitaljeff said:
works fine, just make sure you follow the steps to the t and convert the .vdi images to .vmdk to run smoothly in vmwareplayer (the link to instructions is kinda hidden away)
i used virtualbox to convert, then vmplayer to run the vmdk
thanks for the info... fun to play around with
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No problemo
heres some links to the vmdk images to work in vmplayer, dont thank me, thank the guy who wrote the guide on converting vdi to vmdk
ICS vmdk
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FZWH3G20
SD card vmdk
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=15TLJZ87
Basically the title..
Im wondering if there is any sort of android IDE app that can create and manage projects? I use my tablet as my primary pc since I no longer have a computer for the time being.
If there isnt an app, I wonder if it would be possible by booting into ubuntu and compiling code there. Although then Id have no way to run the app, would I?
exploitz said:
Basically the title..
Im wondering if there is any sort of android IDE app that can create and manage projects? I use my tablet as my primary pc since I no longer have a computer for the time being.
If there isnt an app, I wonder if it would be possible by booting into ubuntu and compiling code there. Although then Id have no way to run the app, would I?
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Both options work. ...
If you know how to work via a shell, you should have a look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1340852. It includes everything to get an android application up-and-running on your device from your device itself. It includes the java compiler, dex, signer, ... even vim as a text editor. Very cool.
Ubuntu works also, but is a bit heavier. You will need at least a giga byte of space. But then you can use most of the usual tools. But I didn't find a working SDK for android for the arm version of Ubuntu. So it's mainly useable to create applications that will have to run inside that Ubuntu. It is also possible to use it with a GUI throug VNC, but I don't feel that it is useable enough for real development.
Good luck ...
Can I Install Windows Mobile 6.5 on any android phone ? Sorry For The *Noobish* Question . Just wondering if it can be done .
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Can I Install Windows Mobile 6.5 on any android phone ? Sorry For The *Noobish* Question . Just wondering if it can be done .
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I tried to search for you *which you might get flamed for by others for not doing first* but it looks like the general concencious is because windows mobile is a closed source there is no way for them to make the port over. the only reason people have been able to port android over to a window mobile phone is because its open source.
anyway why would you ever want to run windows mobile? even if you could find another phone close to it and somehow copy their winmo it would be buggy beyond comprehension with no way to fix
No as of now it cannot be done. Ive been hoping something would come along on Android that would allow ARM CPU visualization and emulated sound/graphics so that other ARM based operating systems like Windows Mobile, etc could be run without the need to emulate the CPU. This is similar to Virtualbox on desktops which will allow you to run x86/64 based operating systems at a decent speed since the CPU is virtualized.
This might be a weird one, but has anyone has come up with the notion of chrooting android x86 inside a pc linux distro. The reverse is quite common ( linux deploy, lil debi etc bundling a debian environment inside a linux device ). I was googling my day to something describing this as something common yet, nothing ( it can be done almost casually on android devices an likewise on major linux distros ).
Has it crossed anyone else's mind ? Whould anybody be interested in postinge something I might have missed or stopping me from trying ( providing sound reasons for not doing so or shouting "this is madness" for maximum drama effect ) .
Whould anyone find it interresting if..... should..... maybe.... provided that i succeeded I post the proccess ?
Hi, yes I thought about this too and spend way too much time looking for a solution like that Plase post if you find anything or even manage to do something on your own. This would totally rock, as I don't want to use any proprietary OS but would like to play some Android games on my computer.
I found a thread where someone managed to do this, but running on the Android kernel. It's still different from running GNU+Linux chrooted, because on the Android kernel runs GNU+Linux and then Android chrooted (kinda complicated ). I asked whether it's possible to have the GNU+Linux kernel running isntead of Android's, you can check it out here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1780378
Also, maybe we can just copy from Chromium/ Chrome OS when they are done implementing support for natively running Android Apps on the OS (which they announcend on Google IO 2014). Hmm, probably not so great (fast) since it will run inside the browser...
A google search got me here. What you guys what to do is a lil different then what i want. I have a really neat device an ASUS TRIO an intel atom powered device.
It has android 4.3 and a windows 10 in the keyboard. The problem is the android 4.3 is so dang old. Id love if it had an update available but only the french tablet asus made that copied the trio tablet only (not dock) got an update to android 4.4. So it got me thinking could I run chrome os on this tablet and gain back more of the support ive lost since the android is so old. That led me to chroot and I know I can run debian but like I said Id love to run chrome os but no one is working on this or I cant find it. Suggestions?
I do not get why this should be a problem. You simply can not chroot into different architectiute (PC is x86 or x86_64). But you can use emulator to provide "bridge" between those architectures. Its called Qemu. You can use qemu binaries for chroot into another architecture. But I do not think that what you want, you area talking about gaming a android games on PC. Thats possible too but I think its not called chroot but its again emulator (not qemu but android emulator) for example AnBox.