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For those familiar with this app. I believe it is definitely helping battery life, but at some costs I'm not sure I like. For example it seems when I'm outdoors it disables data? Even at the balanced setting? Just by looking at the log I believe thats what I'm seeing. If it is disabling data, then that would mean no emails etc correct? Or does it periodic checks on its own and enables when necessary even when screen is off? Hope someone can explain.
With the default settings:
-it will periodically enable data for a short amount of time for all things like emails to get pushed through (under the schedule section)
-it will enable data when the screen is on, only after you unlock it. (that way you can check the time on your phone without having data enabled
With my settings (JD ultimate)
-the data will remain ON when certain apps are running in the background w/ the screen off (Pandora, Google Music, Google Maps)
-data will remain on when it's plugged into the wall (charging via usb is still the same)
-when apps request data (1kb/5s), data will be turned on for 15 seconds (more if needed)
-if connected to WiFi, data will be disabled.
-when on data, WiFi is disabled
-if there is an incoming MMS, data will be enabled
-My Juice Defender has also been trained to use cell towers (NOT GPS) to get my location. If i'm near a place where I have connected to WiFi before, it will turn on WiFi
I get 68% more battery out of my phone w/ this app. Just keep in mind this helps battery during standby (screen off) and not much else.
But when it's configured right, it's an easy battery boost that won't get in your way in terms of use.
So even with default settings, there is a schedule section? I didnt see that option.
I'm assuming you are using customize?
UPDATE: I did not see the controls and schedule tab even after selecting advanced. I had to kill the Juicedefender ultimate app and restart. Now when I check advanced, the tabs appear. Wow there are so many customizations. As said below, I would not mind a step by step set up to get best battery life results on note from you or others. Thanks.
Maroon Mushroom said:
With the default settings:
-it will periodically enable data for a short amount of time for all things like emails to get pushed through (under the schedule section)
-it will enable data when the screen is on, only after you unlock it. (that way you can check the time on your phone without having data enabled
With my settings (JD ultimate)
-the data will remain ON when certain apps are running in the background w/ the screen off (Pandora, Google Music, Google Maps)
-data will remain on when it's plugged into the wall (charging via usb is still the same)
-when apps request data (1kb/5s), data will be turned on for 15 seconds (more if needed)
-if connected to WiFi, data will be disabled.
-when on data, WiFi is disabled
-if there is an incoming MMS, data will be enabled
-My Juice Defender has also been trained to use cell towers (NOT GPS) to get my location. If i'm near a place where I have connected to WiFi before, it will turn on WiFi
I get 68% more battery out of my phone w/ this app. Just keep in mind this helps battery during standby (screen off) and not much else.
But when it's configured right, it's an easy battery boost that won't get in your way in terms of use.
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I would be interested in a step by step of your setup. I love JD Ultimate and I get better battery but I know it could be even better. Your setup sounds ideal.
Can you give us a walk through?
Agreed me too . So far on default juicedefender has really extended my battery life.
Juice Defender Setup Guide - Ultimate only
First thing's first. Download the apps. You will need the regular app and then the DJ ultimate license.
Launch Juice Defender Ultimate.
Under the STATUS tab. There is a section that says "Profile". Select "advanced" and then hit confirm. This unlocks a majority of the settings for the app and allows you to set custom triggers, app exceptions, and much more!
As you can see at the top, there should be a few more tabs that popped up.
Go to the "Schedules" tab
This section is what allows data to be periodically turned on so you can receive things like emails and and PUSH notifications. I have me enabled and set to a 30 minute frequency.
Going on down, we see the Night section. Set it to the hours that you normally sleep. This is disabling periodic data. This is good for 2 reasons: If you don't want things like email notifications waking up, and if your phone is not plugged in and you want to slow the battery drain of your phone.
I don't change anything else on this tab. Adaptive start for Night mode I leave on default (+2h max for start, end -1h max). If there is a period of data where you need instant connectivity for things like emails, then you can enable PEAK hours. (disables JD controls for a defined amount of time)
Triggers tab - this is the fun stuff.
Keep "battery" enabled. This ignores scheduled data on periods if your battery reaches a certain point.
Here is how I think about it. If you come home and you usually have about 40% of a charge, then set the threshold to 35%. By having it set to a point right below the average use like that, it's great because it won't get in your way as you work, but will still save battery on nights where you go out rather than going to a place with a charger nearby.
For charger, I set mine to AC because of how much faster it charges and getting emails during the night don't wake me up. (I sleep w/ it plugged in like many people) If things like email / other push notifications bother you at night, leave this off.
Screen. Leave this enabled. Simple as that.
Make sure Traffic is enabled. This allows apps to finish data transfers / downloads before data is cut off. I set mine to low at 15s so it doesn't interrupt downloads.
Apps. This is very important for a lot of people. Everyone has at least one app that they need to have data access going to when the screen is off. For me, it's Pandora, Google Music, and Google Maps. I set those 3 apps to enable / screen off. Meaning that if it's running on the phone, and it's in your pocket, those apps get as much data as they want because JD will be disabled for as long as they're on. Just hit the configure option, and choose which apps you want for enable / screen off.
Last one. Location. Just hit enable. When you connect to Wifi, it will remember your location w/ cell towers and not GPS. If JD detects that you are close to that access point, it will turn on WiFi again for you. It takes a bit of time to "train" Juice Defender to get the right position. But eventually, it works great!
Anything I didn't cover are things I didn't touch. (brightness / bluetooth / CPU controls)
Keep in mind, Juice Defender NEVER blocks your ability to receive / send texts and calls.
Maroon Mushroom said:
Juice Defender Setup Guide - Ultimate only
First thing's first. Download the apps. You will need the regular app and then the DJ ultimate license.
Launch Juice Defender Ultimate.
Under the STATUS tab. There is a section that says "Profile". Select "advanced" and then hit confirm. This unlocks a majority of the settings for the app and allows you to set custom triggers, app exceptions, and much more!
As you can see at the top, there should be a few more tabs that popped up.
Go to the "Schedules" tab
This section is what allows data to be periodically turned on so you can receive things like emails and and PUSH notifications. I have me enabled and set to a 30 minute frequency.
Going on down, we see the Night section. Set it to the hours that you normally sleep. This is disabling periodic data. This is good for 2 reasons: If you don't want things like email notifications waking up, and if your phone is not plugged in and you want to slow the battery drain of your phone.
I don't change anything else on this tab. Adaptive start for Night mode I leave on default (+2h max for start, end -1h max). If there is a period of data where you need instant connectivity for things like emails, then you can enable PEAK hours. (disables JD controls for a defined amount of time)
Triggers tab - this is the fun stuff.
Keep "battery" enabled. This ignores scheduled data on periods if your battery reaches a certain point.
Here is how I think about it. If you come home and you usually have about 40% of a charge, then set the threshold to 35%. By having it set to a point right below the average use like that, it's great because it won't get in your way as you work, but will still save battery on nights where you go out rather than going to a place with a charger nearby.
For charger, I set mine to AC because of how much faster it charges and getting emails during the night don't wake me up. (I sleep w/ it plugged in like many people) If things like email / other push notifications bother you at night, leave this off.
Screen. Leave this enabled. Simple as that.
Make sure Traffic is enabled. This allows apps to finish data transfers / downloads before data is cut off. I set mine to low at 15s so it doesn't interrupt downloads.
Apps. This is very important for a lot of people. Everyone has at least one app that they need to have data access going to when the screen is off. For me, it's Pandora, Google Music, and Google Maps. I set those 3 apps to enable / screen off. Meaning that if it's running on the phone, and it's in your pocket, those apps get as much data as they want because JD will be disabled for as long as they're on. Just hit the configure option, and choose which apps you want for enable / screen off.
Last one. Location. Just hit enable. When you connect to Wifi, it will remember your location w/ cell towers and not GPS. If JD detects that you are close to that access point, it will turn on WiFi again for you. It takes a bit of time to "train" Juice Defender to get the right position. But eventually, it works great!
Anything I didn't cover are things I didn't touch. (brightness / bluetooth / CPU controls)
Keep in mind, Juice Defender NEVER blocks your ability to receive / send texts and calls.
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Thanks bro
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Thanks for that , am trying those settings now.
I have always hated that program and found it to screw up phones. Most of the time it actually makes batteries worse. Just my two cents.
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I'm not sure what to think of it. I set the settings as per Mushrooms suggestions. In an hour and a half, I've eaten through 14% of my battery with my screen off almost the entire time.
It says it's giving me 1.78x the amount of battery I normally would but normally I wouldn't be down 14% in an hour and a half.
cmucooper said:
I have always hated that program and found it to screw up phones. Most of the time it actually makes batteries worse. Just my two cents.
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yes, this has always been the general thought and what is posted most often.....I used to think the same thing until I used it on my SkyRocket.....it made a huge difference. I would get home from work before having JD on my phone and be at 20%.....when I installed JD after about a week....I would get home from work and be at 50%
So it may not work for everyone but my .02 cents is, try it and don't just automatically assume because people post that it sucks, that it sucks. Cause for me it is a lifesaver.
This coming from a guy who used to post the same things cmucooper just posted....I hated JD and bad mouthed it every time I could. But I never really used JD, I was always just spouting off what someone else had said about it....now I regret that cause it's worth it.
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kiltedthrower said:
I'm not sure what to think of it. I set the settings as per Mushrooms suggestions. In an hour and a half, I've eaten through 14% of my battery with my screen off almost the entire time.
It says it's giving me 1.78x the amount of battery I normally would but normally I wouldn't be down 14% in an hour and a half.
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I set mine up per Shrooms suggestions and I am in 3 hours unplugged and at 93%.....normally it would already be at 85% so I am in the positive.
Dunno why urs is in the negative
I'll give this a shot. My battery has been stellar when screen off. This would be cooler if it makes it even better
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Yea I would try the default settings first for a day or two, then you can try the settings posted here to see if it gets better or not. I also didnt like this app with other phones as I didnt see a difference but on the note's battery,I've been unplugged from the wall charger for about an hour on wifi with the screen off and its gone down 1% with me checking emails 2 times. Maybe not too impressive to some but for me this is good, I'll have to see when I'm at work this week.
unplugged now for a little over 7 hours and at 70%
Maroon Mushroom said:
Juice Defender Setup Guide - Ultimate only
First thing's first. Download the apps. You will need the regular app and then the DJ ultimate license.
Launch Juice Defender Ultimate.
Under the STATUS tab. There is a section that says "Profile". Select "advanced" and then hit confirm. This unlocks a majority of the settings for the app and allows you to set custom triggers, app exceptions, and much more!
As you can see at the top, there should be a few more tabs that popped up.
Go to the "Schedules" tab
This section is what allows data to be periodically turned on so you can receive things like emails and and PUSH notifications. I have me enabled and set to a 30 minute frequency.
Going on down, we see the Night section. Set it to the hours that you normally sleep. This is disabling periodic data. This is good for 2 reasons: If you don't want things like email notifications waking up, and if your phone is not plugged in and you want to slow the battery drain of your phone.
I don't change anything else on this tab. Adaptive start for Night mode I leave on default (+2h max for start, end -1h max). If there is a period of data where you need instant connectivity for things like emails, then you can enable PEAK hours. (disables JD controls for a defined amount of time)
Triggers tab - this is the fun stuff.
Keep "battery" enabled. This ignores scheduled data on periods if your battery reaches a certain point.
Here is how I think about it. If you come home and you usually have about 40% of a charge, then set the threshold to 35%. By having it set to a point right below the average use like that, it's great because it won't get in your way as you work, but will still save battery on nights where you go out rather than going to a place with a charger nearby.
For charger, I set mine to AC because of how much faster it charges and getting emails during the night don't wake me up. (I sleep w/ it plugged in like many people) If things like email / other push notifications bother you at night, leave this off.
Screen. Leave this enabled. Simple as that.
Make sure Traffic is enabled. This allows apps to finish data transfers / downloads before data is cut off. I set mine to low at 15s so it doesn't interrupt downloads.
Apps. This is very important for a lot of people. Everyone has at least one app that they need to have data access going to when the screen is off. For me, it's Pandora, Google Music, and Google Maps. I set those 3 apps to enable / screen off. Meaning that if it's running on the phone, and it's in your pocket, those apps get as much data as they want because JD will be disabled for as long as they're on. Just hit the configure option, and choose which apps you want for enable / screen off.
Last one. Location. Just hit enable. When you connect to Wifi, it will remember your location w/ cell towers and not GPS. If JD detects that you are close to that access point, it will turn on WiFi again for you. It takes a bit of time to "train" Juice Defender to get the right position. But eventually, it works great!
Anything I didn't cover are things I didn't touch. (brightness / bluetooth / CPU controls)
Keep in mind, Juice Defender NEVER blocks your ability to receive / send texts and calls.
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Thanks for this. I use Enhanced Email for my push email. I notice if I set mine as you suggest I don't get my emails in a timely manner. Do I add it to the apps section in order to get it through?
bkeaver said:
Thanks for this. I use Enhanced Email for my push email. I notice if I set mine as you suggest I don't get my emails in a timely manner. Do I add it to the apps section in order to get it through?
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Yes, you enable that app in the app section.
SysAdmNj said:
Yes, you enable that app in the app section.
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I have tried enabled and enable/screen off and neither one is working
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bkeaver said:
I have tried enabled and enable/screen off and neither one is working
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Not sure, you might want to try and enable the email app as well as the enhanced email app.
SysAdmNj said:
Not sure, you might want to try and enable the email app as well as the enhanced email app.
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Yeah that didn't work either.
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Have any of you that are using JuiceDefender tried installing the AOSP Helper yet?
I understand all these battery drain issues that the prime has been having but haven't actually had them, until now. I used to lose about 2-3% overnight but suddenly I am losing around 15% because it won't sleep. I go into the battery setting and it shows it been awake the whole time. Now I am sure if I looked around I may find a fix but it just seems a bit odd that it has just suddenly occurred. And its not a wifi drainage issue as I usually put it to sleep at power saving mode and wifi off. Just asking why?
Thanks,
I think it could be the Asus weather widget which I had set at 1 hour refresh rate.
if this just recently occured out the blue, likely a rougue app or something you recently installed. an app running in background or sync is likely the culprit.
Just put Skype on it but that's not signed in most of the time
every android tablet and phone i have does this occasionally, and those occasions are when i either play video or music. some of these media players employ a wakelock that will not disable after you put your device to sleep. sometimes a reboot will work, sometimes not. most of the times the reboot keeps it from draining. even force quitting all my media apps wouldn't work.
so basically i reboot every time i use any type media player so i don't get the drain - netflix doesn't require it, dice and just about every music player does. i'm not sure it this may be your problem, but it may be a possible solution.
I find that making sure to check the last two settings under Asus Customized Settings helps this. I was waking up in the morning to find my dock dead everyday before I checked those two settings. The only down side is when I turn the screen on and wake it up, it takes about 5-10 seconds to connect to the wifi. No biggie.
Use better battery stats and see what is causing it. I have read that skype does drain battery pretty bad. And even if you're not connected it still runs in the background at start up. Another app I would recommend is Autostarts. It allows you to disable apps at start up. I know system tuner is free and has the same functionality but I find Autostarts better. With ST, you just disable the app at start up, with Autostarts you can disable it at start up, shutdown(which some apps fire when the tab is being shut down and other system events), also other events. Like some apps fire up when you get a text, or when your connection changes etc.. I just think Autostarts has more options.
Also dev Entropy has a thread in the GS2 forums about know battery drainers. Some of it applies specifically to the GS2 but there are a bunch of general battery killers listed
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1308030
If you go to setting and battery it should show you which is using the most battery. The first one on top. If its android system, you can click on it and it will show you a list of whats been using your battery which may point you to the culprit. In my case, media was the only thing in the list. And I know if an SDcard is inside my dock it will drain battery. So after removing it the drainage went away. Havent had the drain issue since. Again yours might be different so check the battery usage.
Thanks for the feedback guys, the first thing i am gonna do is charge it up after it fell flat right up to 100% then try some suggestions. I am thinking a reboot could help it.
Sorry if this has done the rounds, but im new to forumn and none of the posts seem to have all my symtpoms.
I bought a few weeks ago a tf201. everything is great, bar two points.
1) - battery life is emmense when docked on the keyboard and in use, and undocked. BUT when i leave it docked it just seems to refuse to go to sleep and manages to chew up just about all the battery overnight. from the battery monitor in settings the wifi and screen stay on overnight so it loose 5-10% or so an hour.. not great
2) not sure if this is related to the above, but again only happens when docked. if it does go to sleep (i think). when i come to wake it, nothing happens. in the end i have to press the power and volume buttons to reset it, then it wakes back up again. interestingly when its dones this it doesnt appear to have lost much battery charge.
So it seems that either it doesnt want to sleep, or if it sleeps, it sleeps a little too much.
im running the latest OTA ICS update as of last week and havent got that much installed widget wise etc. Ive been pouring over the forums for people with similar issues and the nearest i can find is people recomending using flight mode apps to keep the tablet from completely sleeping. this sort of works but the batteries then need charging every 2-3 days, which is better than daily but not great.
any pearls of wisdom as this for me is ruining an otherwise great device...
ianc24 said:
Sorry if this has done the rounds, but im new to forumn and none of the posts seem to have all my symtpoms.
I bought a few weeks ago a tf201. everything is great, bar two points.
1) - battery life is emmense when docked on the keyboard and in use, and undocked. BUT when i leave it docked it just seems to refuse to go to sleep and manages to chew up just about all the battery overnight. from the battery monitor in settings the wifi and screen stay on overnight so it loose 5-10% or so an hour.. not great
2) not sure if this is related to the above, but again only happens when docked. if it does go to sleep (i think). when i come to wake it, nothing happens. in the end i have to press the power and volume buttons to reset it, then it wakes back up again. interestingly when its dones this it doesnt appear to have lost much battery charge.
So it seems that either it doesnt want to sleep, or if it sleeps, it sleeps a little too much.
im running the latest OTA ICS update as of last week and havent got that much installed widget wise etc. Ive been pouring over the forums for people with similar issues and the nearest i can find is people recomending using flight mode apps to keep the tablet from completely sleeping. this sort of works but the batteries then need charging every 2-3 days, which is better than daily but not great.
any pearls of wisdom as this for me is ruining an otherwise great device...
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Maybe try setting WiFi on sleep to never under the advanced WiFi settings?
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Email Accounts set to "push"
Email clients connecting to Exchange usually have a "push" option that continuously syncs with the mail server. Some of them (like Touch down which is what I use) allow you to set off work times when it won't be polling the server so I set it not to poll between 10:00 PM and 6:00 AM.
Also, look at the accounts and sync area in the settings and see what other stuff is being synced. I had no idea until I looked just now how much stuff is getting synced under my gmail account. It's not just mail and calendars like I thought but also a long list of other things.
Then, looking under "Backup and Restore" in the settings, I'm seeing that it's doing a "backup app data, wifi passwords, and other data to google servers". I'm assuming that means all my mail etc. When I first set up the tablet a couple of days ago I noticed that all the wifi connections from my Droid 3 showed up so that was the first time I realized that my phone must be doing this too...
That's a security issue in that by my employer's rules, sensitive company data isn't supposed to be stored on other people's servers so my exchange data really should not be backed up to google. And it doesn't make any sense to do that anyway. If one of my devices dies and gets replaced, when I configure the account on the new device, all the data will sync from the mail server anyway.
The point being that I'm discovering that there is a huge amount of stuff being synced from my android devices that I didn't even realize. That could be bogging down the network (particularly if on a connection that's slow to begin with) and also causing battery drain.
I'm experimenting with turning a lot of stuff off that I don't figure I need - both for the phone and the tablet - to see what difference it makes.
ratman6161 said:
Email clients connecting to Exchange usually have a "push" option that continuously syncs with the mail server. Some of them (like Touch down which is what I use) allow you to set off work times when it won't be polling the server so I set it not to poll between 10:00 PM and 6:00 AM.
Also, look at the accounts and sync area in the settings and see what other stuff is being synced. I had no idea until I looked just now how much stuff is getting synced under my gmail account. It's not just mail and calendars like I thought but also a long list of other things.
Then, looking under "Backup and Restore" in the settings, I'm seeing that it's doing a "backup app data, wifi passwords, and other data to google servers". I'm assuming that means all my mail etc. When I first set up the tablet a couple of days ago I noticed that all the wifi connections from my Droid 3 showed up so that was the first time I realized that my phone must be doing this too...
That's a security issue in that by my employer's rules, sensitive company data isn't supposed to be stored on other people's servers so my exchange data really should not be backed up to google. And it doesn't make any sense to do that anyway. If one of my devices dies and gets replaced, when I configure the account on the new device, all the data will sync from the mail server anyway.
The point being that I'm discovering that there is a huge amount of stuff being synced from my android devices that I didn't even realize. That could be bogging down the network (particularly if on a connection that's slow to begin with) and also causing battery drain.
I'm experimenting with turning a lot of stuff off that I don't figure I need - both for the phone and the tablet - to see what difference it makes.
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The exchange DATA, meaning your actual mail does not get backed up explicitly anywhere with vanilla Asus/Google ICS Firmware. What it backs up is account settings, and the options you select. Backing up all your mail would be awesome (under the right circumstances, such as when you need that backed up, and some apps will do so, but generally for a fee.
OP, for battery concerns, make sure that in settings, Asus Customized setting that "Mobile Dock Battery Saving and "Disconnect network during sleep are both selected. The latter option stops most or all synching when sleeping.
It sounds like you are experiencing SOD (Sleep of Death) not quite as horrible as it sounds, but if you have to push power button and or/ Power + Volume for 8-10 seconds to get it bac, does it then vibrate and reboot, or just come back to the Homescreen imediately? If it's the first one, look up SOD. I have had only ONE event since .28 rolled, and before that perhaps a dozen on .21, and NONE before that so it's due to SOME recent changes to firmware, at least in my case. Interestingly, I was able to stop it on .21 by disabling the same option we have been discussing. The two battery savers in Asus customized, and WiFi, Advanced: "Keep WiFi on during sleep" (You have to hit the "three dot" menu and choose advanced from WiFi Settings.
Anyway keep us posted, and let me know if you have SOD, or just a deep sleep - if you REALLY want to know how often and how long your tablet spends in deep sleep get CPU Spy (no root require, I believe) and after several hours, it will let you know what the CPU has been doing, for what percent of that time. it is an AWESOME way to determine how much deep sleep you are experiencing with the device.
My battery is not really satisfying.. though i uses only 15% brightness, it sucks up my battery like hell... 10% decrease in an hour... is this normal?
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skarfreak said:
My battery is not really satisfying.. though i uses only 15% brightness, it sucks up my battery like hell... 10% decrease in an hour... is this normal?
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10% in one hour of using?? so 10 hours???
I guess you should be more than satisfied........:good:
possible win
Many thanks for the suggestions.
I think i was get the dreaded sleep of death as when it slept to 'wake' it i had to reboot it.
Ive run through all the suggestions here + a few suggestions from the forumns, setting wifi to never, adjusting the dock battery usage, checking my sync options. In sheer frustration i removed all widgets and removed a shed load of apps (both pre-installed and ones that i had installed) installed cpu spy and tested. interesting that it appears to be ok now. charged the dock and transformer up on firday night and its still got juice today, all be it that dock is nearly dead and the transformer has 80%+ thats with 2-3hrs use every day and obviously sleeping...
one thing i did note. when it was docked before and 'sleeping' in the transformer battery was low it would charge for long period when it was sleeping? it doesnt seem to do that now. if the transformer battery is low and i sleep it. the power \ charge light stays on for 10-15 mnutes then goes off.. so def looks like something was keepign it awake.
go to settings/asus customized settings and scroll down to battery saving and check the two power saving settings :good:
I've had my Z5C for about 10 days. I'm relatively happy with it, except for the battery life. Much worse than my old Z1C. Less than 24 hours of battery; my Z1C always got 24+. So, last night I tried the Stamina mode for the first time. Very UNIMPRESSED! I must be missing something.
1. In Stamina mode I still loss 15% of my charge in 7 hours.
2. With Stamina mode on it takes a couple minutes for my Wi-Fi to reconnect once I turn the screen on. Hardly usable.
What am I missing? Are any of you happy with the battery life? Does it improve over time? If you use Stamina mode, what are your settings and what is a typical battery discharge amount over an 8 hour period of non-use? Suggestions?
Thanks.
Im quite pleased with the battery life. 2-3 days with abt 4 hrs screen on time. I have disabled few services and applications from settings. There is a thread about it. Last night battery dropped only about 2%
For starters, disable location and untick "Scanning always available" under Wifi>Advanced Settings. Disable photo analyser service under All apps. Try these out first
Sadman Khan said:
For starters, disable location and untick "Scanning always available" under Wifi>Advanced Settings. Disable photo analyser service under All apps. Try these out first
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Thanks for you reply. Some questions/points:
1. What am I losing if "Location" is off? For instance, GPS, weather?
2. Can you explain what "Scanning always available" does?
3. Couldn't find photo analyser service. Any thoughts?
4. I've removed set of widgets created with Zooper Widget Pro. I've read that it's a battery hog; any opinions?
5. I'm using an old weather app, BeWeather, because I like its widgets. I did notice that under "Location" BeWeather showed high battery use, while the Google apps listed showed low battery use. Any weather apps with widgets suggestions that might have low battery use?
Again, I appreciate your reply.
rebecker said:
Thanks for you reply. Some questions/points:
1. What am I losing if "Location" is off? For instance, GPS, weather?
2. Can you explain what "Scanning always available" does?
3. Couldn't find photo analyser service. Any thoughts?
4. I've removed set of widgets created with Zooper Widget Pro. I've read that it's a battery hog; any opinions?
5. I'm using an old weather app, BeWeather, because I like its widgets. I did notice that under "Location" BeWeather showed high battery use, while the Google apps listed showed low battery use. Any weather apps with widgets suggestions that might have low battery use?
Again, I appreciate your reply.
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I might be wrong on some points, if this changed over the years, but...
1) If android/google isn't searching for location constantly, it will remember the last known location. So only your approximate location will be known, and apps that use it more specifically (like google fit, running apps etc.) will be less effective.
2) It means that your phone will connect to Google servers, even when Wifi is off. As far as I know.
3) It should be in your list with all apps. If it's not, I have no clue where else you should look.
5) I use "transparent clock & weather", and I never ask it to update his location constantly. Instead, I use a fixed location. Even when I'm 100km away from here, the weather will still be about the same, so for me that's enough.
Can't you look at the battery usage stats and disable anything that is near the top that you dont need?
I find the normal drain while using it is about the same as even my old phone. However standby is much much better. I used the phone sparingly and it lasted me about 2.5 days. On average, its lasting me about 2 days. On heavy usage days, I only get a day out of it. I havent had it very long so more testing is needed. There was only one instance where it drained really fast. I was in a plane on the ground. It seems that the reception is rather poor so it has to try alot harder to maintain a signal.
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Can't you look at the battery usage stats and disable anything that is near the top that you dont need?
I find the normal drain while using it is about the same as even my old phone. However standby is much much better. I used the phone sparingly and it lasted me about 2.5 days. On average, its lasting me about 2 days. On heavy usage days, I only get a day out of it. I havent had it very long so more testing is needed. There was only one instance where it drained really fast. I was in a plane on the ground. It seems that the reception is rather poor so it has to try alot harder to maintain a signal.
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Thanks for your reply.
I looked at the power management stats. Oddly, the battery usage is:
Screen 34%
Cell standby 8%
Phone idle 6%
Android system 4%
Android OS 4%
Nothing else is listed. Under App Power Consumption it shows "Currently no apps to report". I don't feel that I'm a heavy user; minimal calls; minimal browser use; minimal texts. I have a weather widget with clock on both screens I've set up. The weather is set to update every 30 minutes. I've stopped using a couple widgets, as mentioned above, but I still don't see a significant improvement.
When you say "standby is much much better", are you talking about Stamina mode, or something else?
Thanks again.
Unless you use google maps, location doesn't matter all that much. Also if you need it in any app, you will be prompted to enable it. Once your work is done, you can turn it off again. Location actually does eat a considerable amount of battery.
About "scanning always available". It means that the phone will constantly be looking for wifi even if the wifi is turned off. This causes standby battery drain so it's good to leave it off.
I'm not sure about the widgets though as I haven't used them.
Lastly, photo analyser service should be in Settings>Apps>All Apps. Disable it to improve performance and battery life as reported by many users here and on talk.sonymobile.com
Cheers
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I might be wrong on some points, if this changed over the years, but...
1) If android/google isn't searching for location constantly, it will remember the last known location. So only your approximate location will be known, and apps that use it more specifically (like google fit, running apps etc.) will be less effective.
2) It means that your phone will connect to Google servers, even when Wifi is off. As far as I know.
3) It should be in your list with all apps. If it's not, I have no clue where else you should look.
5) I use "transparent clock & weather", and I never ask it to update his location constantly. Instead, I use a fixed location. Even when I'm 100km away from here, the weather will still be about the same, so for me that's enough.
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Re: item 3. I had already disabled.
Any more suggestions? I turned on Stamina last night; still lost about 2% an hour. At the rate I now see (including using Stamina at night), I might get 36 hours of usage per charge, and I'm not a heavy user. Nowhere near some of the reports I've seen. I've turned off location, turned off weather updates for 6 hours of the night, turned off scanning always available in Wi-Fi, disabled photo analyzer, and removed widgets that seem to be "on" all the time. Additional questions:
1. I noticed that I have "Keep Wi-Fi on during sleep" set to always; is that OK, or do most of you have that off?
2. Are you all using the regular Stamina mode or the Ultra mode?
3. What is your setting for "Queue background data"?
That's it for now. But I expect to have more questions until I see the 2-3 day range you all talk about.
Thanks.
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Any more suggestions? I turned on Stamina last night; still lost about 2% an hour. At the rate I now see (including using Stamina at night), I might get 36 hours of usage per charge, and I'm not a heavy user. Nowhere near some of the reports I've seen. I've turned off location, turned off weather updates for 6 hours of the night, turned off scanning always available in Wi-Fi, disabled photo analyzer, and removed widgets that seem to be "on" all the time. Additional questions:
1. I noticed that I have "Keep Wi-Fi on during sleep" set to always; is that OK, or do most of you have that off?
2. Are you all using the regular Stamina mode or the Ultra mode?
3. What is your setting for "Queue background data"?
That's it for now. But I expect to have more questions until I see the 2-3 day range you all talk about.
Thanks.
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Try another night with Network mode set to gsm only. Just a thought
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I actually lose 0-1% overnight (in 8 hours on an average) on GSM only. I usually keep it on 2G. So basically my overnight battery drain is negligible. Also, I don't even use Stamina mode
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Try another night with Network mode set to gsm only. Just a thought
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I actually lose 0-1% overnight (in 8 hours on an average) on GSM only. I usually keep it on 2G. So basically my overnight battery drain is negligible. Also, I don't even use Stamina mode
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Thanks for your reply. I've set the network to GSM Only. Seems to help a bit, but I'm still getting 2% battery drainage PER HOUR with Stamina ON! during the night. Again, looking at all the suggestions. The only one that I really use and would rather not disable is "Location". All of the apps under location show "Low battery use". I also prefer to have my screen brightness always around 90% (old age ). Can you tell me what widgets you have on your screens? I'm thinking I'll slowly delete each widget, if any of you think that'll help. I can live with 30+ hours of battery, but it's far from what I was expecting after reading the reviews. My Z1C had better battery duration.
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Thanks for your reply. I've set the network to GSM Only. Seems to help a bit, but I'm still getting 2% battery drainage PER HOUR with Stamina ON! during the night. Again, looking at all the suggestions. The only one that I really use and would rather not disable is "Location". All of the apps under location show "Low battery use". I also prefer to have my screen brightness always around 90% (old age ). Can you tell me what widgets you have on your screens? I'm thinking I'll slowly delete each widget, if any of you think that'll help. I can live with 30+ hours of battery, but it's far from what I was expecting after reading the reviews. My Z1C had better battery duration.
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I just have the walkman and clock widgets. Also, i switched wifi off before going to sleep or if it is switched on, i turn on stamina. Also, i have all sorts of sync disabled as i sync manually. My battery is nearly as good as that on Z3c (which is pretty amazing). Maybe some app is acting up on your part :/ I have nothing else to suggest man.
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I just have the walkman and clock widgets. Also, i switched wifi off before going to sleep or if it is switched on, i turn on stamina. Also, i have all sorts of sync disabled as i sync manually. My battery is nearly as good as that on Z3c (which is pretty amazing). Maybe some app is acting up on your part :/ I have nothing else to suggest man.
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Might be my weather app. It's set to update every hour. I'll try turning off the wi-fi tonight. Last night I lost 11% in 8 hours. Acceptable, but not great. Maybe I'm looking for too much.
Thanks again for your reply.
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Might be my weather app. It's set to update every hour. I'll try turning off the wi-fi tonight. Last night I lost 11% in 8 hours. Acceptable, but not great. Maybe I'm looking for too much.
Thanks again for your reply.
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Maybe it's the location plus the weather app and wifi hahahha. :'D
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Maybe it's the location plus the weather app and wifi hahahha. :'D
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Not the weather app. It's set to not update from 11pm to 5am. Tried the location off, no improvement. WiFi was off using Stamina. Something else is going on that uses 2% an hour no matter what.
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Not the weather app. It's set to not update from 11pm to 5am. Tried the location off, no improvement. WiFi was off using Stamina. Something else is going on that uses 2% an hour no matter what.
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Aaaand I've run out of ideas. Try gsam batrery monitor from the playstore. Let it run through the night. That should give you an idea of the consuming apps
Thanks for your reply. I turned off my WiFi last night; only a 4% total loss. Tonight I'll try both the WiFi off and stamina, in addition to your battery monitor suggestion. Getting close! ?
Lost just 2% over 7 hours tonight! Stamina on. But I think my problems were all caused by my Bluetooth. I have 2 speakers on either end of my place that were always on. I also had my phone's BT always on. I noticed that at times both speakers showed being connected at the same time. I suspect that BT was constantly connecting and disconnecting as I moved through the apartment. I've turned off the BT on my phone. Battery life much improved. It's been 21 hours since my last charge and I'm still at 58%.
Thanks to all who responded.
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Lost just 2% over 7 hours tonight! Stamina on. But I think my problems were all caused by my Bluetooth. I have 2 speakers on either end of my place that were always on. I also had my phone's BT always on. I noticed that at times both speakers showed being connected at the same time. I suspect that BT was constantly connecting and disconnecting as I moved through the apartment. I've turned off the BT on my phone. Battery life much improved. It's been 21 hours since my last charge and I'm still at 58%.
Thanks to all who responded.
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Aah finally hahahah
When you sleep, does your phone sleep, or does it stay up all night and crunch 1s and 0s? Rate this thread to express how you deem the speed at which the Google Pixel 4's battery drains under standby conditions. A higher rating indicates that when the phone is not in use, the battery drains minimally.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Really good standby drain for me. Around 0.7-1. %
The standby.. Everytime is different.
Sometimes i get 10% overnight. Sometimes 6%. Sometimes 7-8%. And last night 2% (for 7h).
Wifi always on, motion sense on, AOD off, adaptive battery on, phone flat on display
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The standby.. Everytime is different.
Sometimes i get 10% overnight. Sometimes 6%. Sometimes 7-8%. And last night 2% (for 7h).
Wifi always on, motion sense on, AOD off, adaptive battery on, phone flat on display
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turn off adaptive battery and your standby time will be closer to the post before you
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turn off adaptive battery and your standby time will be closer to the post before you
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Tried one night. It was about 8% for 8h..
And last night it drained 5% in 9h, with adaptive battery on
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Tried one night. It was about 8% for 8h..
And last night it drained 5% in 9h, with adaptive battery on
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this is with 60hz.. check to see if wifi scanning is on. even if you turn it off and you use an app that asks you to turn location on like Google maps. if you hit yes it will automatically turn wifi scanning back on. I also turn off auto sync and sync things manually when I choose too.
Thanks for the reply.
How is going in prolonged standby? I've observed that when commuting it drains more battery. Even if i am using location history that's a bit too much, because most of the time i am not moving. I am just placing the phone on my desk.
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check to see if wifi scanning is on. even if you turn it off and you use an app that asks you to turn location on like Google maps.
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Turning the wifi and Bluetooth scanning off are among the first things I do when i setup a device.
I need auto sync.
I've just turned off "mobile data always on" from developer options and will see if it helps or not.
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Thanks for the reply.
How is going in prolonged standby? I've observed that when commuting it drains more battery. Even if i am using location history that's a bit too much, because most of the time i am not moving. I am just placing the phone on my desk.
Turning the wifi and Bluetooth scanning off are among the first things I do when i setup a device.
I need auto sync.
I've just turned off "mobile data always on" from developer options and will see if it helps or not.
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having location history on shouldn't affect the battery, it's just storing history.
it'll turn back on though if an app requests for location and you press yes. for ex. use Google maps and it'll probably ask for location to be turned on even if you have location on already. if you press yes it'll turn on wifi scanning.
I do the same. turning off mobile data always on should help.
the standby drain usually comes from play services, but it could also be an app that was downloaded. from my experience, it's usually play services.. yeah if you need autosync then it is what it is. because even if your phone is face down it's still going to use your cpu. it's probably better for you to turn adaptive battery on, but you should limit/restrict your apps manually, instead of letting it notify you when it thinks an app is running too much in the background. I know a pixel 3 user that was using adaptive battery with 30 apps restricted and it was working for him. I never restricted apps manually when I had adaptive battery on. that could be the reason adaptive battery never worked for me. my play services would be higher than 5%, sometimes even 15%-20% with it on. now I rarely go over 4%
these pics are from my 3. it also depends on your reception, there aren't any battery saving tips for that , except to put it in airplane mode.
one more thing is to calibrate your battery. I understand that li-ion batteries don't have memory like nickel. but I think it something to do with the OS storing the battery capacity or something.
charge your phone to 100, drain it till it turns off. plug it in and charge it to 100. unplug turn it on and repeat the steps 1 more time. this helps especially on big updates.
the battery becomes more efficient and consistent. when I updated to 10 from pie my battery would drain quickly to like 50% and then below that it would slow down.
I am roaming right now and connected to a WiFi network with dual band on the same SSID. It's frustrating how much the battery drains when idling!
7% loss in less than 2h completely idle..
From 95% to 88% in 1h40 of standby!
I have no access to the router to force it on a band, it keeps switching from 2.4ghz to 5ghz.
If i turn off wifi and leave mobile data on, then Google Play services is on top of the draining list.
I am starting to hate all these Android inconsistencies..
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I am roaming right now and connected to a WiFi network with dual band on the same SSID. It's frustrating how much the battery drains when idling!
7% loss in less than 2h completely idle..
From 95% to 88% in 1h40 of standby!
I have no access to the router to force it on a band, it keeps switching from 2.4ghz to 5ghz.
If i turn off wifi and leave mobile data on, then Google Play services is on top of the draining list.
I am starting to hate all these Android inconsistencies..
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turn off your auto sync. it updates every 15 mind and keeps your phone from dozing. just manually sync it. it literally takes 6 clicks.
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turn off your auto sync. it updates every 15 mind and keeps your phone from dozing. just manually sync it. it literally takes 6 clicks.
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Man, it has literally nothing to do with auto sync.
I have battery issues both when using the phone and while standby.
The phone is getting annoying warm. That doesn't happen when i am home. Now i am using a different wifi connection.
Now home (different router, different SSID for each band) the wifi consumption seems normal and the phone doesn't heat anymore while using. That's so pity when you have no control to wireless router and you get into this situation! This seems to be related to Android, since i had the drain also on OnePlus 5.
Made a little test, when not in "doze mode" it consumes 2% each hour.
And overnight somewhere between 4-8% (random !?) for ~8h.
All standby times, no background tasks
Wifi & Bluetooth scanning off, motion sense off, idle screen (AOD) off, wifi on, location on, always on data off, Bluetooth on, tap to wake on, lift to wake on, now playing on, assistant voice match off
My battery drain reduced to 3% overnight (8+ hours sleep), with motion sense completely OFF
@jalado do you have any issue with Google play services or phone idle consuming a lot of battery?
I've attached a screenshot with battery usages.
I've already cleared Google play services data + cache yesterday (+ a reboot after about 30mins) before charging.
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@jalado do you have any issue with Google play services or phone idle consuming a lot of battery?
I've attached a screenshot with battery usages.
I've already cleared Google play services data + cache yesterday (+ a reboot after about 30mins) before charging.
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no, my idle drain at night is like 1-2% over 6-8 hours. I don't have auto sync on though, so my phone stays asleep. your play services seems good for auto sync being on. mine's around 3% a day, if that.
I will try to turn off auto sync overnight and see then.
I got 6% drain for ~8h overnight.
Btw, when home with wifi on i have no issues with Google play services battery drain. But when commuting and with data usage (being on mobile data about 2h of the time) the drain is high!
I have to test more and see if it's because location history, Google fit or mobile data. Or all..
So I've turned off auto sync overnight.
It drained 6% (70% -> 64%)... So for me the same drain :/.
Another thing that i am disappointed of is the Google Play Services when on mobile data (on idle/standby). I am on LTE with good coverage.
Use this
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That's what i am planing to do for weeks.