http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/27/hasbro-asus-transformer-prime-lawsuit/
Official barring any last minute appeals.......
Hasbro got what they really wanted, which was to show defense of the trademark should future entities try and hijack their branding.
I read the materials, and it looks like this was just a preliminary judgment against the ban. The case is still headed to trial (although this precedent would make it seem unlikely Hasbro will win)...
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I read the materials, and it looks like this was just a preliminary judgment against the ban. The case is still headed to trial (although this precedent would make it seem unlikely Hasbro will win)...
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Came here to post this ^
The decision here was for a preliminary injunction on the sales of the TFPrime. This is different than a full decision of trademark infringements on the merits, and instead, the prelim injunction is usually the first step of any IP litigation.
Here, Hasbro would have to prove irreparable harm as well as a likelihood of success on the merits (and public interest, lack of defendants' harm, blah blah), so winning on this front doesn't necessarily guarantee winning on an infringement suit.
However, for those of you paying attention, as I said, one of the key elements for an injunction is "likelihood of success on the merits," so a win here on the prelim injunction stage is a strong signal from the judge that he is likely to be skeptical on the infringement claims as well (as the likelihood of success is not that high).
The saddest thing to come out of that ruling were the Asus Transformer Prime sales numbers:
"So when court filings reveal that pre-orders for this poster child for Android 4 tablets (and it does look great) total a whopping 2000 units as of a month ago, it’s kind of a letdown. That and 80,000 going to retailers worldwide make the device seem rather minor even in comparison to other Android products like the Nook Color and Kindle Fire. Is there a space for “premium” Android devices running just plain Android? The market seems smaller than big players like Asus would like to believe — or at least it is not growing as quickly as they expected."
The whole article can be found here http://techcrunch.com/2012/03/27/ju...rk-and-asus-reveals-embarrassing-sales-stats/
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The saddest thing to come out of that ruling were the Asus Transformer Prime sales numbers:
"So when court filings reveal that pre-orders for this poster child for Android 4 tablets (and it does look great) total a whopping 2000 units as of a month ago, it’s kind of a letdown. That and 80,000 going to retailers worldwide make the device seem rather minor even in comparison to other Android products like the Nook Color and Kindle Fire. Is there a space for “premium” Android devices running just plain Android? The market seems smaller than big players like Asus would like to believe — or at least it is not growing as quickly as they expected."
The whole article can be found here http://techcrunch.com/2012/03/27/ju...rk-and-asus-reveals-embarrassing-sales-stats/
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Not really. Also saw those numbers weren't totally accurate. It is strange though. The small numbers they did produce sold out though. So Asus has their own reasons for not mainstreaming it yet. OG transformer was produced in small numbers at first also. Which lead to same shortage situation like prime. Leading it to be hard to find. More than likely production issues. It still holds title of most powerful android tablet. So production will be kicked up soon once whoever producing their tablets gets things straightened out.
Plus I like having the most powerful Android device which everyone can't get their hands on. If i wanted a device everyone and their mom's has, I would've just bought the new Ipad or an ipad2. With a bunch of new tegra3 devices about to drop, tegra3 support and optimized apps/games will only continue to grow.
I like the Exclusivity of it.
josue85 said:
The saddest thing to come out of that ruling were the Asus Transformer Prime sales numbers:
"So when court filings reveal that pre-orders for this poster child for Android 4 tablets (and it does look great) total a whopping 2000 units as of a month ago, it’s kind of a letdown. That and 80,000 going to retailers worldwide make the device seem rather minor even in comparison to other Android products like the Nook Color and Kindle Fire. Is there a space for “premium” Android devices running just plain Android? The market seems smaller than big players like Asus would like to believe — or at least it is not growing as quickly as they expected."
The whole article can be found here http://techcrunch.com/2012/03/27/ju...rk-and-asus-reveals-embarrassing-sales-stats/
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Here's the quote from the original source:
The order also reveals that the Transformer Prime is, for now, no iPad: “as of February 24, 2012, it had received over 2,000 pre-orders ... and that retailer fulfillment orders for the next two months total approximately 80,000 tablet computers.”
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That "2000 pre-orders" number is a bit wacky, if only considering the word "pre-order." Why are we talking about pre-orders in February? Unless they mean merely "orders," and misspoke--but even then, 2,000 seems a mighty low number at this point.
Now, 80,000 for "the next two months," or March and April, seems more reasonable (if a bit lower than I'd have expected), and that says nothing about how many have already sold (and yes, every one that's shipped has sold through which is a good thing for ASUS). I'd say that if this number is accurate, we could be somewhere in the range of 150-250K units sold by the summer. And, as we all know here on XDA, the Prime has been severely supply-constrained--there are absolutely ZERO units sitting unsold in anybody's inventory. Who knows how many could have been sold if ASUS had been able to meet supply?
Those aren't iPad numbers, but they're reasonable given all of the issues surrounding the Prime's launch. And, no tablet HAS TO sell at iPad levels to be successful for a given company. If ASUS recoups their investment and makes some profit on the product, then it can be considered a success. NOBODY will achieve iPad numbers anytime soon, if ever. It's a freaking consumer products phenomenon. But I see Android tablet makers selling enough to stay in the market, which will spell some success in the long-term.
I think Demandarin is right: Retail fulfillment numbers are low because retailers have none in stock. Go look now: No big box stores have the damn thing, and if they do, it's sporadic at best.
I wish I had more information on the production numbers, and why they're so low...it sells out everywhere when it comes into stock, there's simply no reason for Asus to not meet the high demand with greater supply unless:
1. There's a manufacturing problem.
2. Margin on the unit just isn't panning out.
2. Asus wants to move to the TF700 platform as soon as possible for reasons of greater margin, less returns/support, competition in the market, or some other Asus-will-never-tell-us reason.
Probably why the rebranding of the TF300 and TF700. If they phase out the Transformer Prime wouldnt the lawsuit be over?
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Not really. Also saw those numbers weren't totally accurate. It is strange though. The small numbers they did produce sold out though. So Asus has their own reasons for not mainstreaming it yet. OG transformer was produced in small numbers at first also. Which lead to same shortage situation like prime. Leading it to be hard to find. More than likely production issues. It still holds title of most powerful android tablet. So production will be kicked up soon once whoever producing their tablets gets things straightened out.
Plus I like having the most powerful Android device which everyone can't get their hands on. If i wanted a device everyone and their mom's has, I would've just bought the new Ipad or an ipad2. With a bunch of new tegra3 devices about to drop, tegra3 support and optimized apps/games will only continue to grow.
I like the Exclusivity of it.
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EGGS ACTLY
Proud Owner of a Transformer Prime on Tapatalk
I'm guessing ASUS is going to come out with the ASUS Optimized Transformer Prime next just to screw with Hasbro?
The Prime has also in a sense been rebranded, perhaps due in part to endevoring to head off Hasbro at the pass just in case the ruling may have gone against them (- it did seem unlikely, but you can never tell how judges will respond). During the announcements for the 300 series and Infinity models, slides referred to the Prime as the Asus transformer pad Prime. So 'Transformer Pad' encompasses their complete range of Android hybrid-tablet models.
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About the "2000" in sales number. Someone is not entirely telling the truth then.
Either ASUS is lying about the sales figures, or ASUS is lying about the RMA return figures...
Somewhere there was a (official?) statistic, I believe by Gary, about the return of faulty primes, and the total returns was less than 1%.
1% of 2000 = 20 primes...
Well, according to what I have read here, the total number of returns must have been bigger...
So, either the sales figure is total crap, or the 1% return figure is total crap...
My $0.02...
Update:
CNET: What percentage of Transformer Primes have been returned, citing one or more of these issues as the reason?
GK: As of February 6, the top three problems discussed in the first question were also the top three reasons for returns or replacements. The majority of customer returns were due to the removal of the GPS specification from the unit or poor GPS performance in general. We continually feed failure analysis information from our service group back to the engineering and manufacturing teams to ensure any problems are identified and fixed as quickly as possible.
Top three customer complaints for RMA/returns
Symptom Worldwide fail rate
a. 'Serial number not found' 0.07 percent
b. Wi-Fi/BT/GPS performance 0.57 percent
c. Random lock/reboot 0.15 percent
Breakout of Wi-Fi/BT/GPS performance complaints for RMA/returns
Symptom (Wi-Fi/BT/GPS) Worldwide fail rate
a. Wi-Fi/BT dropout 0.03 percent
b. Wi-Fi dropout/performance 0.04 percent
c. Wi-Fi/GPS performance/return for GPS spec removal 0.51 percent
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I would expect asus more likely to lie on an internet forum than in court documents.
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About the "2000" in sales number. Someone is not entirely telling the truth then.
Either ASUS is lying about the sales figures, or ASUS is lying about the RMA return figures...
Somewhere there was a (official?) statistic, I believe by Gary, about the return of faulty primes, and the total returns was less than 1%.
1% of 2000 = 20 primes...
Well, according to what I have read here, the total number of returns must have been bigger...
So, either the sales figure is total crap, or the 1% return figure is total crap...
My $0.02...
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those court documents aren't even complete. doesn't even show how Any tablets were sold already after pre-orders and before that month or so they showed.
end conclusion: court documents doesn't show completely how many "TOTAL" were sold. months of sales are missing.
It's 2,000 that have given credit card info and absolutely have ordered between 01/07 and 02/25 (discovery summons to oral arguments, date of filing was 12/16, and 12/21 for 21 day summons). The 80,000 do refer to the 2 months after oral arguments but it refers to the vendors and parts suppliers being hurt not paying end-users per the judge agreeing.
None of the what is said in the court case reflects actual numbers from launch to now.
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Just wondered how much of an impact this new device was having on pre order cancellations.
I've been looking forward to this device for over 6 months. We've essentially ended up with a broken/prototype device whilst Asus promote a *fixed* version.
This is disgusting as far as customer relations go. I'm almost certainly cancelling my pre order tomorrow. Hoping to hear a statement from Asus regarding this complete mess!
Please post screens of your cancelled orders. May be if we can get some numbers regarding impact Asus may listen.
Regards,
One pi55ed off potential customer
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Ive owned my prime for 4 days now, the announcement was the last straw though.
GPS dead, wifi crippled, and now asus is pretty much jumping ship to their new prime 2.0..
Im working on returning it for a refund right now.
I wish I had preordered just to be able to go in and cancel, I'd hope that the store would be left with lots on the shelf. That's the only way we could expect our voices to be heard.
There are far too many people willing to ignore this situation that nothing is going to be done about it.
The TF700 announcement made up my mind
Once Asus started pushing the new model, the message came to me loud and clear.
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Well, I didn't cancel a pre-order but mine was RMA'd for replacement. I switched that to a refund...not too sure if I'm going to bother with ASUS or just wait to see what else is available.
I talked with an agent so I haven't got an email confirmation yet but I'll post when I do.
Here's an announcement for a tab with 1.7 ghz Tegra 3, DDR3 memory and SRS sound.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/08/lenovo-lepad-k2010-ideatab-k2-hands-on/
I would be very angry if the TF700T was priced closer to TF201. Now that would really make me send it back with a nasty letter to Asus. But the fact that it's $100 more for both 32 and 64GB, that tells me Asus didn't just "jump ship". The learned from their stupid mistakes, made a new one and are selling it right alongside with the current one. That means the best bang for your buck tablet is still a Transformer Prime that's only $600 with a 64GB storage.
What bothers me though is the fact that Asus could barely meet demands with this whole pre-order fiasco and has the ****ing balls to go ahead and actually spent time (time that should have been focused on getting me my goddamned Prime) to come out with another product to sell. That tells me either they have A.D.D. or they have A.D.D. and all they want is money. How can they leave the people who pre-ordered left hanging to dry? That, to me, is a piece of **** company.
At this point though I have no choice but to stick to my Prime (TF201) pre-order because my Xoom has been hijacked by my 2-year old and I need a tablet badly --meaning waiting isn't an option and buying another Tegra 2 would be going backwards at this point. FML.
I deal mostly with media and games, the office work belongs to Windows. The TF700 is ideal for streaming hd video specially now that I've upgraded to 6 mbps on my dsl to watch the Netflix hd movies. The new res standards are out and I will let the dust settle before deciding.
As the trend indicates, one thing is for sure, Asus moves faster than other tablet manufacturers.
The new TF700T feels like a "filler". By Q4 and the 2012 holidays, they will have the true 3rd gen Transformer. So whoever pays the extra $100 for the TF700T model, might be in for some serious buyer's remorse. Think about it.
TF1 -> TF2 -> TF2.5 -> (only a few months from the summer) and you've got TF3. Like I said in another thread. The TF700T are for those who badly need the GPS. The higher resolution at a premium of $100 more is baloney. As for the 2MP front-facing camera? That's a gimmick. From 1.3MP to 2MP means nothing. Take it from a photographer and someone who has an 8MP webcam that's supposedly "HD" and "1080p". Skyping still looks crappy.
I'm not knocking on the TF700T, but if you guys want to drop the TF201 for it, think about it really hard. Like I said before, the best bang for your buck is still the TF201. Line up all the Android tablets and you will see all the specs are similar except for the fact that for the same price in a Galaxy Tab 10.1 or a Xoom/Xoom 2, you can have an Asus with double the storage. That to me is very important as I sync my DSLR wirelessly to my tablet to show clients my shots in real time... and RAW files eat storage space like no one's business.
I understand that Asus is pushing products out the order ahead of the others but in their haste the product design and performance turned out faulty. I'm looking forward to the 700 simply because it appears the problem is fixed and the specs are better although I'd like to see a faster clock to handle the higher res.
I just got shafted, Mediamarkt said no returns on licensed products, whatever the phuck that means.
So I guess the dead GPS and shoddy Wifi are "on me".
Asus issued the warranty so you should contact them next to present your case, good luck!
tedr44 said:
I understand that Asus is pushing products out the order ahead of the others but in their haste the product design and performance turned out faulty. I'm looking forward to the 700 simply because it appears the problem is fixed and the specs are better although I'd like to see a faster clock to handle the higher res.
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You can rely on devs here to bring that to you in due time, regarding the faster clock speeds. The CPU and GPU will be the same. So it doesn't matter what the clock speeds are set at since you can always change it later on anyway.
I can't blame Asus for designing the aluminum back the way they did. I'm pretty sure their R&D department felt the pressure from higher up to make it so that it pretty much sells as a bundle with the dock. Meaning, they probably said something along the line as "Design the tablet so that people would definitely feel compelled to buy the dock." Hence the designers made it look all aluminum so that when it's shut close with the dock, it looks sexier than a MacBook Air. Remember how Asus was bragging about the swirled brush aluminum design? It was a decision to make a chic looking ultra portable device. I don't think it was in haste, but I do believe the GPS flaw as a result was in hindsight.
As for the TF700T, let's face it. People who will buy that will definitely say "What an ugly netbook this makes!" It looks like two separate devices that clicks into one with the top bit looking really out of place. I have never seen a laptop, in all the years of owning laptops, with a black bar on top like that. That was what Asus wanted to avoid with the TF201 --the matching color, material and texture so that when you buy the dock, you gawk in awe at the handsome "transforming" device.
so whos pissed they cancelled before ICS came out and fixed a majority of the issues?
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I just got shafted, Mediamarkt said no returns on licensed products, whatever the phuck that means.
So I guess the dead GPS and shoddy Wifi are "on me".
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Yeah, Asus will and should cover you. No worries. Get their international toll-free number and give them a call.
Also emphasize the fact that the metal case affects not just gps but wifi and bt as well though not as pronounced is still below par.
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so whos pissed they cancelled before ICS came out and fixed a majority of the issues?
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As someone who has had ICS on my Xoom for about a month now, not to mention waking up to CM9 this morning, I am definitely looking forward to the development on the TF201 Prime. I, for one, am contemplating getting back into devving for the Prime.
Though I like and appreciate the artwork, it is not a prime consideration for me. It can be as rugged and ugly as a military grade laptop as long as the specs are working as advertised. I'm starting to like the 700 because of the new specs that will function without any mods. In that respect, no mod will come up with the 1080p res without slowng it down.
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Also emphasize the fact that the metal case affects not just gps but wifi and bt as well though not as pronounced is still below par.
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The WiFi and BT issue is software, I think. Correct me if I'm wrong. The slower WiFi and shoddy BT due to the aluminum backing is a myth started by paranoid early Prime adaptors. Apple has been making aluminum and magnesium unibodies with no WiFi or BT problems. Concrete or whatever your house has are bigger factors. GPS is a different story.
These wireless devices work on rf with differing frequencies and that affects their ability to pass through or penetrate barries. It could be a combination hw/sw, I'm not exactly sure until they put it on a bench and run a battery of tests. That's what really irritates me about Asus, they've done nothing but cover up the problems.
I've owned an original TF and a Prime ( returned last week due to ongoing issues with the device). Was wondering about total sales of the unit. Do think that the TF101 was a home run for ASUS, and think that the Prime will do well once they resolve the issues. I do recall statements back in the summer of 2011 of 400K per month being shipped, and recent news that ASUS may hit 6M units for 2012. I also remember quite well how the TF101 was the top item within the Amazon market for weeks on end for it's category.
Today i looked at the 3Q 2011 Investor Conference (pdf) available on Asus website.
Couple of things that stood out;
Page 13 Actual shipments for EPAD 2Q 2011 & 3Q 2011 total 1.2M and estimated for 4Q were 0.6M
Page 30 EeePad Business Result total volume shipped 1.6(e) and 85% of that being the TF101
As an aside it looks like Amazon sold at least 3M of the Kindle Fire in 2011. The Zoom and Playbook were a flop not hitting 1M units, I couldn't find data for Samsung
Ipad sales for 2011 40M
40M iPads sold! WOW! They have the tablet market on lock with what to me is essentially a toy. Incredible!
in one month from what I can tell they produced 150k-250k transformer primes and docks in some distribution! so they are doing great! it was probaly more like 2-3 weeks because of the hardware change
also you cant count the kindle fire as it was only sold for a maybe a quater
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>Actual shipments for EPAD 2Q 2011 & 3Q 2011 total 1.2M and estimated for 4Q were 0.6M
Am wondering how this is a "home run." Est Q4 unit sales is half that of Q3. Revenue is probably worse, since most Android tabs were hitting the bargain bins in Oct.
BTW, Apple announced iPad Q4 unit sales were 15.43M.
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>Actual shipments for EPAD 2Q 2011 & 3Q 2011 total 1.2M and estimated for 4Q were 0.6M
Am wondering how this is a "home run." Est Q4 unit sales is half that of Q3. Revenue is probably worse, since most Android tabs were hitting the bargain bins in Oct.
BTW, Apple announced iPad Q4 unit sales were 15.43M.
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4Q sales would have impacted the tf101 because people would have been waiting for the prime. I'd say it was a home run because it was one of the only droid tablets that didn't have to offer steep discounts (ie the thrive, Sony, touchpad, play book, zoom and even the galaxy tab) it also seemed to win numerous awards for best product.
The 1.2m units was 2Q and 3Q combined the tf101 was only released in2Q 2011
OK, went and checked out the Asus Q3 investor glossy: Q2 = 400K, Q3 = 800K, Q4 = 600K est. No surprises, other than that the Americas got lumped into the "other" category, which comprised only 14% of Asus global sales. EU slurped 40%.
>4Q sales would have impacted the tf101 because people would have been waiting for the prime
Doubt it. Q4 (CY, not FY) would be Oct-Nov-Dec, and Prime was only a glimmer in hardcore techies' eyes at that point. Heck, Prime is not even in wide availability yet.
>I'd say it was a home run because it was one of the only droid tablets that didn't have to offer steep discounts
TF101 was on BF sale for $250, and periodically available in Nov/Dec for around $300. Discount wasn't as steep as other Teg2s since its starting price was lower ($400). But all Teg2s were in bargain bin.
>The 1.2m units was 2Q and 3Q combined the tf101 was only released in2Q 2011
Yep, caught that. But drop from 800 to 600 MoM is still pretty crap, especially going into Q4, which should be the best Q of the year. Then again, other Asus product categories also show flat or slight decrease, so I suppose it depends on how rev is reported.
Relative to other Android tabs, I'd have to give Samsung the crown for 2011, then Asus, then, uh, Moto I guess (they cleared 1M for the year). Acer took a bath. Tosh & Lenovo were johnny-come-latelies and didn't matter much. Oh yeah, Amazon KFire and Nook LCDs took a chunk (40% of total Android tab sales).
News of the prime started to hit YouTube when Nov? Or was it earlier. It seemed that every other day back then something was getting leaked via fb or YouTube or a press conference, I'll still say that would have impacted sales of tablets, addin the fact that people were shopping deals and yeah sales were lowing then the previous quarter. And yes we saw that bf sale of 249, but bf like boxing day sales here in Canada are not reflective of price pressure on a product IMHO
Samsung may very well have done quite well, having a 3G unit in wide release sure would have helped. But they did get shut out of some parts of th eu and Australia for some time. Add in what they must have spent on advertising and litigation and I'll stand by my statement that the tf101 performed marginally better
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/oct/28/motorola-xoom-tablet-sales
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People don't follow rumors of gadget launches; only the hardcore peeps do. Prime was NOT on sale in Q4. A few early adopters got it early, but even now it's not yet widely available. Don't assume that the mainstream is as gung-ho about Android tabs, or the Prime specifically, as those here.
Let's be honest, all HC tabs flopped. One can quibble whether the TF101 flopped less, but same diff. A home run, it wasn't. As for Prime, well, let's just say that its debut was less than auspicious.
We all hope that ICS will be the silver bullet. Personally, I doubt it. But it should be good enough to stay in the mix. As has been said, it's a marathon. I'm already over ICS, and am looking forward to J-wazzit.
One thing I'll give Asus is that it is leading the Android tab charge, even if by its lonesome self. My read of Shih (CEO) dude is that he thinks of Asus as an avant-garde co, and he's trying to recreate the netbook magic, which Asus was at the forefront of. As mentioned in the glossy, Asus will also lead the Win8 charge, so it'll have its hands full. Perhaps why it dropped the ball on the Prime.
Think about how much advertising there is for the iPad. Everyone has heard of it, everyone knows what it can do.
When i worked at (electronics store) i'd ask people if they heard about the transformer and only one person out of everyone i asked even knew what it was. Most people were very interested in its expanded capability compared to the iPad but there just was no marketing.
The prime has recieved a bit more play, few more people asking about it but lack of stock and few stores carry it in my area, compared to everywhere that carries the iPad.
There is a reason apple wins awards for their advertising, they sink a lot of time and money into it, and it works. Samsung is STARTING to have a higher profile around here but generally Asus is stuck on the sidelines. Soon as the prime is in mainstream advertising and people know how much power / potential it has over the iPad it will sell more.
>i'd ask people if they heard about the transformer and only one person out of everyone i asked even knew what it was
Here's public awareness in a microcosm: Back in July, when I let my 6-yr old niece play with my Nook Color, she went "Oh you got an iPad!" Fast-forward a few months to Nov, when handed same NC, she went "Oh I love your Kindle!"
So yeah, we're getting there eventually...
>Think about how much advertising there is for the iPad.
It's not advertising. Apple doesn't need any. Every move it makes (or doesn't make) is frontline news in every tech blog, and even mainstream news. Them's the perks of being king of the hill.
>Soon as the prime is in mainstream advertising and people know how much power / potential it has over the iPad it will sell more.
May be it'll include a Press here for GPS lock sticker. (OK I stole this off another guy...)
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>Actual shipments for EPAD 2Q 2011 & 3Q 2011 total 1.2M and estimated for 4Q were 0.6M
Am wondering how this is a "home run." Est Q4 unit sales is half that of Q3. Revenue is probably worse, since most Android tabs were hitting the bargain bins in Oct.
BTW, Apple announced iPad Q4 unit sales were 15.43M.
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People don't follow rumors of gadget launches; only the hardcore peeps do. Prime was NOT on sale in Q4. A few early adopters got it early, but even now it's not yet widely available. Don't assume that the mainstream is as gung-ho about Android tabs, or the Prime specifically, as those here.
Let's be honest, all HC tabs flopped. One can quibble whether the TF101 flopped less, but same diff. A home run, it wasn't. As for Prime, well, let's just say that its debut was less than auspicious.
We all hope that ICS will be the silver bullet. Personally, I doubt it. But it should be good enough to stay in the mix. As has been said, it's a marathon. I'm already over ICS, and am looking forward to J-wazzit.
One thing I'll give Asus is that it is leading the Android tab charge, even if by its lonesome self. My read of Shih (CEO) dude is that he thinks of Asus as an avant-garde co, and he's trying to recreate the netbook magic, which Asus was at the forefront of. As mentioned in the glossy, Asus will also lead the Win8 charge, so it'll have its hands full. Perhaps why it dropped the ball on the Prime.
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Fair enough on only the few following the rumors but the 4Q reported are estimates it will be a month or so before we know what sales were. As for the net book market the Zen seems to be getting some good press.
I do wonder tho why such a shortage of Primes I mean I think they've been out for what 6 weeks, and even if they were selling a 100k a week that's still only 600k. If apple can produce and have ready a million units for a launch why wouldnt ASus have at least 250k on release with a supply chain that can deliver 500k a month
There seems to be little planning on either the testing of the product, the testing of ics, or having enough inventory to meet demand. And when one considers that they sold a million units last yr, why would they be performing like this is new territory to them.
As for the new t700 I don't see how that will gain much traction in the market the price point is just too high
You're right the HC tablets were overall a flop and did not so much as bruise Apple (let alone morph into iPad killers)
>Zen seems to be getting some good press.
The Zenbook is lost in the Ultrabook deluge, if CES is any indication. Jury is still out whether the public will pay the (vastly) increased premiums over existing laptops, just to get the Macbook Air clone look. My SWAG: In Intel's wet dreams.
>and even if they [Prime] were selling a 100k a week that's still only 600k
Thousands. May be low tens of.
>If apple can produce and have ready a million units for a launch why wouldnt ASus
It takes time to ramp up production. From rumor mill, iPad 3 component production has already started months ago. Remember, aluminum unibody is new for Asus. The RF thing is part of the teething process. Early adopters = beta testers.
>little planning on either the testing of the product, the testing of ics
To be fair, ICS schedule is out of Asus' hands. Goog is not being vendor friendly. The late ICS release caused vendors to miss out on Xmas season. Ditto with HC last year.
I think in a couple of months, teething issues should be resolved, and Prime should be in prime shape. Be proud to be a member of the Asus Beta Testing Team!
>As for the new t700 I don't see how that will gain much traction in the market the price point is just too high
It depends how iPad 3 w/ QXGA will be priced. TF700 (sans dock) will be same or less.
The TF101 was one of the few Tegra 2 tablets that sold very well. In fact it is one of the top rated tablets of 2011.
As for shortages, take a look at the iPad 2 launch! The iPad 2 was so back ordered that Apple met demand 2 months after the initial launch.
Asus is moving in a very lucrative area for Tablets and they know it. Their 2012 estimates for Tablets and Ultrabooks are very enthusiastic.
Maybe the bottleneck is the Tegra 3 chip itself? Does anyone know nVidia's production numbers on it?
The best part of ICS is less fragmentation. Software is as key as hardware.
iOS gets more development because of numbers of units but also they only have 2 devices to support not 980+
The interesting thing is for us old timers, Android is the apple of the 80's and apple is IBM.
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>Zen seems to be getting some good press.
The Zenbook is lost in the Ultrabook deluge, if CES is any indication. Jury is still out whether the public will pay the (vastly) increased premiums over existing laptops, just to get the Macbook Air clone look. My SWAG: In Intel's wet dreams.
>and even if they [Prime] were selling a 100k a week that's still only 600k
Thousands. May be low tens of.
more reason that we shouldn't see such shortages
>If apple can produce and have ready a million units for a launch why wouldnt ASus
It takes time to ramp up production. From rumor mill, iPad 3 component production has already started months ago. Remember, aluminum unibody is new for Asus. The RF thing is part of the teething process. Early adopters = beta testers.
What? no one in the R&D dept heard of the same issues the iPhone had?
>little planning on either the testing of the product, the testing of ics
To be fair, ICS schedule is out of Asus' hands. Goog is not being vendor friendly. The late ICS release caused vendors to miss out on Xmas season. Ditto with HC last year.
Then ASUS should have held off and ignored the cries for ICS until it was ready for wide release, hell why not simply offer it for those gung hoe geeks that had to have ICS but also have a way to go back to HC. HC has been relatively stable on the TF101
I think in a couple of months, teething issues should be resolved, and Prime should be in prime shape. Be proud to be a member of the Asus Beta Testing Team!
No Thanks.....Sure i may Beta test an OS on an old box to see what's coming down the pipe, but when it comes to a tablet, phone, netbook etc I'm not doing the work for either a lazy nor cheap company.
>As for the new t700 I don't see how that will gain much traction in the market the price point is just too high
It depends how iPad 3 w/ QXGA will be priced. TF700 (sans dock) will be same or less.
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There has to be a compelling reason to not go with Apple, and I don't think that simply not liking them is a large enough market. Android, RIM, Windows8 etc have to meet or exceed Apple on price, features, integration, stability to have a chance of being more then niche products.
There is some potential that Windows8 devices will have a significant impact , part of me is doubtful they (Microsoft) seem to be more reactive then innovative, but (big BUT) if they can bring a device to market that has the features, battery life, integration with the DT and corporate IT infrastructures we'll see some progress in a Utopian platform
Here is a snapshot of the current Android tablet market.
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Saw that graphic last night. In the article i read the data was collected based on app usage for at least 10 seconds. It's not known AFAIK what apps Flurry is able to collect data from and some have suggested that it may be weighted to Apps available via the Amazon Store more so. Factor in the fact that when people get a new device they will be trying all kinds of apps to see the potential of the device. After time that settles down I'd expect when people have their favorites. It's not a true representation of device distribution
Things are changing for Asus
Check it out, Today I am on Targets web site looking for a vacuum, and just for kicks I click on "Comoputers and Tablets" to see what, besides the iPad and Acer Iconia they may offer, thinking I will see a Toshiba Thrive, and maybe a Nook And Kindle, but little else.
There it was, Transformer Prime, 32 Gb. Grey, IN STOCK!
What's next, Walmart?
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40M iPads sold! WOW! They have the tablet market on lock with what to me is essentially a toy. Incredible!
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why do you see it as a toy?
Not sure if it was posted before, if it was my apologies, if not, enjoy the always funny ASUS CEO playing a somehow trimmed version of Steve Jobs presentations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r_RqSYxTwE&feature=youtu.be
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great video. I love his enthusiasm when he announces the products..lol. so according to video, Prime owners are "Mobile Tech Trendsetters". I like it. also clearly shown Asus plans on supporting prime and has no intentions of discontinuing it. With Prime and new tablets, they said they have devices for all market segments. very good news for prime owners. Don't let the hate or negative bashing make you think Prime being discontinued. PRIME IS HERE TO STAY. people don't know what da hell they talking about I really like that Padaphone. really cool how you just slide it into the back of that tablet and transforms from a phone into a tablet. plus it won CES 2012 BEST innovation of the year award. Asus is becoming the 1st. of alot of things tech wise in the tablet world. Asus playing hardball in 2012. very glad to own a Prime.
also for those thinkn the re-branding or name change means phaseout of Prime, video shows you're mistaken. Transformer Prime is now called the TRANSFORMER PAD PRIME" wow big deal..lol. we here to stay!
here is the video:
Shih dude is a character. I see he has practiced his vocal cadence, but the over-the-top delivery combined with his heavy accent makes it a bit hilarious. Probably intentional. He's like an Asian Charlie Chaplin.
The new line (incl TP700) is slated for Q2, so a spring release. Prime still has 2-3 months of limelight for those who care about such things. BTW, Prime is noted as for "mobile tech trendsetters" in the presentation. In the press release, the first sentence describing the Prime says "designed for early adopters." May explain why availability is limited. Well, that, and selling toys right after Xmas is never a good idea.
No mention of everybody's fav, the $250 7" 370T. Would assume then that it won't make spring launch. Would make sense for 2H, since Teg3 would drop more in price by then, to be fitted into a "value" device.
Not much to say about the PadPhone, which occupied half of the entire presentation. Well, two things to say: it's actually a 3-in-1 (phone/tablet/laptop) now with inclusion of keyboard dock, and the stylus/headset combo is pretty cool--at least until you lose it.
We'll see how the hype pans out in reality. Call me a sceptic. Should know by April, its announced launch date.
Overall, have to give Asus props as trying to innovate, which is more than I can say for the rest of the other PC manufacturers. Need to pay more attention to fit-and-finish issues, though.
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also clearly shown Asus plans on supporting prime and has no intentions of discontinuing it.
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Not to piss in anyone's Cheerios or speculate the future, but you really need to take what manufacturers say publically with a grain of salt. It's accurate, but only at the moment it's literally said.
Here's a good example. Asus announced a TF101 3G model last spring. They posted a web page for it in August that's still up. Reporters got review samples in the fall. It was never released.
Asus Eee Pad Transformer 3G Price & Release Dates Confirmed
by Darcy LaCouvee on Aug 02, 2011
The current best selling Android Honeycomb tablet in the world, the Asus Eee Pad Transformer, has just received the formal treatment, courtesy of Asus. As of a few hours ago, they’ve taken the liberty of putting up an official product page, which is virtually identical to the one of the Wi-Fi only variant, but with one small, important detail. 3G.
According to NetbookNews and NotebookItalia, both of whom we have a lot of love for, the Asus Eee Pad Transformer 3G will be going on sale in Europe for 499 Euros for the 16GB version, and for 599 Euros for he 32GB.which sports a TF101G model number).
Another important thing to note is that Asus has altered the battery time of the Eee Pad Transformer TF101G (with keyboard dock) to be only 14.5 hours, versus the 16 hours of its non-3G brother. According to our sources, we can expect to see these go on sale in Europe first towards the end of August, with the US and Canada to follow shortly thereafter. There’s no word yet whether any of the major carriers will be picking any of these up, but we expect at least one of them to. Either way, expect the 16GB 3G Transformer to go for $499, and for the 32GB to go for $599.
http://www.androidauthority.com/asus-eee-pad-transformer-3g-price-release-dates-confirmed-20496/
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I agree emote. as long as they tighten down their QC issues, Asus is the company to beat, for Android, for 2012 and beyond.
but WTF, I didn't know it had a stylus headset. blew me away when he had the padaphone in the tablet, then the phone starting ringing. so he answered the phone with his Zulus..lmfao WTF! SMH caught me way off guard with that one. you can hear the crowd gasping with Amazement. Damn, I would love to have that 3-1 setup. from Phone to Tablet to Notebook. it has me rethinking my galaxy note future purchase now. I wonder if the phone will come with at least the tablet display. if so how much? then would the tf-201 dock be compatible or is this yet another separate dock needed?
I'm sure Asus is going to be star of MWC. the have some? !#& for ya..lol but dang Asus, you really need to take care of Prime issues some having. Don't let this taint all these new great devices you bringing out.
I must admit, at first I didn't think much of the phone. didn't know or cared for details on it. but now after seeing this video, I think I gotta have one..lol I wonder does the tablet have its own separate memory storage or uses the phone storage only. does display have any other ports on it? man, this is crazy! this completely destroys what Motorola tried to do with the Atrix.
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BarryH_GEG said:
Not to piss in anyone's Cheerios or speculate the future, but you really need to take what manufacturers say publically with a grain of salt. It's accurate, but only at the moment it's literally said.
Here's a good example. Asus announced a TF101 3G model last spring. They posted a web page for it in August that's still up. Reporters got review samples in the fall. It was never released.
Asus Eee Pad Transformer 3G Price & Release Dates Confirmed
by Darcy LaCouvee on Aug 02, 2011
The current best selling Android Honeycomb tablet in the world, the Asus Eee Pad Transformer, has just received the formal treatment, courtesy of Asus. As of a few hours ago, they’ve taken the liberty of putting up an official product page, which is virtually identical to the one of the Wi-Fi only variant, but with one small, important detail. 3G.
According to NetbookNews and NotebookItalia, both of whom we have a lot of love for, the Asus Eee Pad Transformer 3G will be going on sale in Europe for 499 Euros for the 16GB version, and for 599 Euros for he 32GB.which sports a TF101G model number).
Another important thing to note is that Asus has altered the battery time of the Eee Pad Transformer TF101G (with keyboard dock) to be only 14.5 hours, versus the 16 hours of its non-3G brother. According to our sources, we can expect to see these go on sale in Europe first towards the end of August, with the US and Canada to follow shortly thereafter. There’s no word yet whether any of the major carriers will be picking any of these up, but we expect at least one of them to. Either way, expect the 16GB 3G Transformer to go for $499, and for the 32GB to go for $599.
http://www.androidauthority.com/asus-eee-pad-transformer-3g-price-release-dates-confirmed-20496/
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fair enough point. but here's the kicker and the difference, PRIME IS ALREADY OUT NOW and still selling. more n more new people joining this section of forum daily. we here to stay buddy. we won't fall for the Doomsday hype. until that day comes, or the fat lady sings, we not trying to hear it. We stay Optimistic not Pessimistic!
REGARDLESS Asus stole the MWC show with the Padaphone.
I think he did a great job, it's hard to speak in front of people like that, and his enthusiasm comes through. Well done.
demandarin said:
fair enough point. but here's the kicker and the difference, PRIME IS ALREADY OUT NOW and still selling. more n more new people joining this section of forum daily. we here to stay buddy. we won't fall for the Doomsday hype. until that day comes, or the fat lady sings, we not trying to hear it. We stay Optimistic not Pessimistic!
REGARDLESS Asus stole the MWC show with the Padaphone.
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This is XDA. You want to be objective... not optimistic or pessimistic.
Anyways, MWC as a whole is nothing but disappointment so far. Honestly, I'm not sure how Padaphone stole the show when HTC ONE X is getting the most buzz....
But yea.. MWC so far.. is boring & makes you wonder why they even have the event. Apple's March event is getting more press/media coverage.... =/
Is it even likely that Asus will give us an option to trade in (of course not for free) our TP for one of the better redesigned models coming soon?
edit: say, to this one?: http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-infinity/features/
I'm simply asking because I don't know what large companies do in these kinds of situations.
Don't bet on it.
SirGarry said:
Is it even likely that Asus will give us an option to trade in our TP for one of the better redesigned models coming soon?
edit: say, to this one?: http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-infinity/features/
I'm simply asking because I don't know what large companies do in these kinds of situations.
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Probably most definitely not.
Plus they are not even sure which processor it will use
Whether its the Qualcomm dual core or tegra3
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Probably most definitely not.
Plus they are not even sure which processor it will use
Whether its the Qualcomm dual core or tegra3
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They do know... the answer is both. On the Infinity tablet if you go wifi only tablet its tegra3 clockspeed 1.6 and if its the 4g LTE its the Qualcomm clock speed 1.5
they way i read it is that the 3g/4g version will use the dualcore, and the wifi only version will use the tegra3.
It really is too bad. The redesigned back on the Infinity looks like it will much improve the signal of both WiFi and GPS...
I highly doubt it. The only reason that they may offer some type of trade-in program would be because of the GPS fiasco with the TF201. However, it has been my understanding that ASUS is going to offer the TF201 along side the Infinity so it wouldn't make much sense to offer a trade-in program if the two models are going to sit on the shelf next to each other. In reality though, I wonder if ASUS is going to quietly push the TF201 to the way-side and slowly kill it off without trying to piss too many of the current owners off, and replace it with the Infinity.
We don't come across "these kinds of situations" very often as it is typically a piss poor business model to release or even announce future versions of tech-toy type gadgets (such as tablets) so close to each other. There is a reason why Apple releases the iPad, iPhone, iPod, etc. the way they do...
1) Announce the new product at some big event (like the one coming up next Wednesday)
2) Release the product within 1-2 months of the announcement
3) Retail pipelines are fully hydrated with the new product within a couple of months after initial release
4) Rinse and repeat a year after the original announcement
By announcing a new product so close to the original product's release date several bad things happen that affect the company's sales. The main issue is that many people will hold off on buying the original product since they know/assume that the release of the new one is near. A second issue is that future sales can be negatively impacted because of lost company loyalty. It can be frustrating for current owners of the product to find out that their shiny new gadget that was just released is going to be 'outdated' before they were expecting it to be.
Magic 8 ball says:
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There may or may not be, but definitely is, no chance that they will do that.
Yeah, I would definitely not count on it. I am sure they will give some excuse involving our throw away society.
http://www.mobileburn.com/18732/new...nity-tablet-announced-multimedia-minded-users
"At Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, ASUS announced a new member of its successful Transformer tablet line , the Transformer Pad Infinity."
Apparently, someone didn't get the memo about the Prime !
rdalev said:
http://www.mobileburn.com/18732/new...nity-tablet-announced-multimedia-minded-users
"At Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, ASUS announced a new member of its successful Transformer tablet line , the Transformer Pad Infinity."
Apparently, someone didn't get the memo about the Prime !
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Failure rates of less than 1% are successful by anyone's measure in the field of consumer electronics.
Makes me wonder if there is a space some where on the prime board for a 3g chip/mod and if the HD screen will has the same connections as standard.
But no after the launch of the prime there would likely be no chance they would offer us an upgrade. They don't seem to care about us much.
Btw have they actually changed the back on new primes? Does wifi work on new primes now?
Sent from my 4thTransformer Prime TF201 using XDA Premium App, watching the screen come off.
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Failure rates of less than 1% are successful by anyone's measure in the field of consumer electronics.
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So stores chose to turn down the TP because of less than 1% failure rates? Of course, those stores that eventually received any units. The word from my local store's distributor said they couldn't get a word from Asus when the next shipments would arrive. And it's seemingly random which stores get the shipments.
There are still plenty of stores waiting to receive their shipments.
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Btw have they actually changed the back on new primes? Does wifi work on new primes now?
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http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-infinity/features/
If you look there you can see the top of the backpanel has been changed to accommodate better wireless reception as the GPS and WiFi radio are placed in that region.
rdalev said:
http://www.mobileburn.com/18732/new...nity-tablet-announced-multimedia-minded-users
"At Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, ASUS announced a new member of its successful Transformer tablet line , the Transformer Pad Infinity."
Apparently, someone didn't get the memo about the Prime !
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well according to them, they consider Prime a success with less than 1% failure/return rate. that's what they said. nothing else to be released to contradict that statement. plus with it still being promoted at MWC outlook looks good for prime owners.
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I highly doubt it. The only reason that they may offer some type of trade-in program would be because of the GPS fiasco with the TF201. However, it has been my understanding that ASUS is going to offer the TF201 along side the Infinity so it wouldn't make much sense to offer a trade-in program if the two models are going to sit on the shelf next to each other. In reality though, I wonder if ASUS is going to quietly push the TF201 to the way-side and slowly kill it off without trying to piss too many of the current owners off, and replace it with the Infinity.
We don't come across "these kinds of situations" very often as it is typically a piss poor business model to release or even announce future versions of tech-toy type gadgets (such as tablets) so close to each other. There is a reason why Apple releases the iPad, iPhone, iPod, etc. the way they do...
1) Announce the new product at some big event (like the one coming up next Wednesday)
2) Release the product within 1-2 months of the announcement
3) Retail pipelines are fully hydrated with the new product within a couple of months after initial release
4) Rinse and repeat a year after the original announcement
By announcing a new product so close to the original product's release date several bad things happen that affect the company's sales. The main issue is that many people will hold off on buying the original product since they know/assume that the release of the new one is near. A second issue is that future sales can be negatively impacted because of lost company loyalty. It can be frustrating for current owners of the product to find out that their shiny new gadget that was just released is going to be 'outdated' before they were expecting it to be.
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This. +1
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That's what eBay is for.
I had pre-ordered my original Transformer, and then my Prime. When the Prime finally came, I checked it out and then put my original Transformer up for sale on eBay. It sold quickly getting what I consider a good price. The guy who bought it is very pleased, and so am I.
That same week I also sold off my touchscreen netbook to a very pleased customer. I do the same with cameras. That way I get to have new toys and there's no high-tech junk in the closet.
Bye.
SirGarry said:
Is it even likely that Asus will give us an option to trade in (of course not for free) our TP for one of the better redesigned models coming soon?
edit: say, to this one?: http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-infinity/features/
I'm simply asking because I don't know what large companies do in these kinds of situations.
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Personally I like my Prime more than any new redesign models coming out. I've bought 3 primes and none had the BT/WIFI problem(don't care for gps), But one did have a constant rebooting problem.
The redesign models just look cheap.
Less than 1%...really? Where is that number coming from?
I thought this device would take off. Seems to sell a lot on play store. Where are all the developers? Where are the accessories and brand name cases. Etc? I like mine and haven't had problems. Can anyone explain?
I think the device is starting to move more. Hopefully more accessories will follow. I would love an Otterbox............
kgreen66 said:
I thought this device would take off. Seems to sell a lot on play store. Where are all the developers? Where are the accessories and brand name cases. Etc? I like mine and haven't had problems. Can anyone explain?
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Limited distribution primarily. It's impacted the N7 based on holiday sales. Asus said they were shipping 1MM N7's a month in Q3. In Q4 they sold a total of 3.1MM tablets including the N7, TF300, and TF700. So even with the holiday selling period you can assume the N7 dropped off from the 1MM a month shipping rate. That or Asus only sold 100K TF300/700's. Samsung shipped 7.99MM tablets in Q4 (unlike Asus, they don't count Google devices in their sales counts) and the G-Tab 2 7" and 10" saw huge growth in YOY sales; primarily because of price reductions and Samsung's massive distribution network. The Kindle Fire was the best selling non-Apple tablet in Q4. Amazon has a huge distribution network too and is a household name. Google is is a household name but for search not h/w.
The other component to weak Nexus sales is lack of features. We on XDA care about Teg3 and Exynos 5, the masses care about things like an IR port to control their TV's from their tablets and free content for being an Amazon Prime member. Nexus devices are great for Android enthusiasts but kind of barren compared to other tablets. That would explain why Amazon sold 6MM Kindle Fire's compared to the less than 3MM N7's Asus sold when they are both the same price.
Also, high-end Android tablets that bump up against iPad pricing have never sold well. Samsung was selling 1MM Note's a month in Q3 but primarily because S Pen differentiated it. At $499 with 32GB of storage the N10 is no bargain when it's singular differentiating feature is its display. Add limited distribution to the picture and I'd be surprised if Google's even broken 1MM in N10 sales yet. The G-Tab 3 Plus is supposed to be Samsung's version of the N10. It'll be interesting to see how well it sells at the same price based on the additional Samsung features and breadth of their distribution network.
This is what sold over the holidays and you'll notice the N7 is fourth behind the KF and two G-Tab 2's. I keep mentioning the N7 primarily because if a Nexus tablet was going to sell well the N7 at $199 would be it. If the N7's lagging, the prospects for the N10 being a tremendous seller at $399+ are poor.
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Barry: some good info there. Could have done without the Samsung biased speculation though. Do you seriously think a load of gtab's were sold because of the ir blaster? they sold because they had huge price cuts/rebates. I myself brought my Mrs a gtab 7 because it was rebated to about £105.
I don't think that many N10's have even been made. In the UK at least, they sold out weeks before Xmas on the play store. Its only in the last few weeks you've been able to buy one with a 3-5 day delivery time.
As for the N7, seems to have sold well as far as I can tell. Again, the 3G version totally sold out over Xmas and even the 32gb was on a several week delivery time. Ditto N4.
Truth is, I don't think Google ever intended to sell too many nexus products. They make naff all on them, and they aren't even made by googles manufacturer! Seeding the market, and building a brand seem the main objectives as far as I can tell.
I don't buy Nexus devices for XDA support, I buy Google devices for priority Google support..
Also to the OP. Non-Google device forums are usually always busier than Nexus device forums because most of those developers are racing to do the best job of reverse developing the devices stock ROM to something resembling AOSP. Where as with Nexus devices all that reverse engineering isn't needed.
There are plenty of ROMs here,a and plenty of kernels..
The user experience lately on Nexus devices has increased a lot - JBQ mentioned the nexus 10 is the most open-source a device has ever been...
As such, there's actually less need to get hacking, as Google has started to make AOSP a lot more "aligned" with the features people wanted from custom ROMs (which makes sense).
I'd reckon a lot of people are using their N10 on stock with root, perfectly happily, tbh.
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Could have done without the Samsung biased speculation though. Do you seriously think a load of gtab's were sold because of the ir blaster? they sold because they had huge price cuts/rebates.
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We'll never know for sure what role features play in people's decision making. Your speculation that they don't matter is no more informed then my speculation they do.
I'll offer some anecdotal evidence that features matter. The KF sold 26% more units YOY over the holidays when last year it had no real competition at the price point. And it's running a limited and forked version of Android that ties people to Amazon for content. The Galaxy Nexus was available at the same subsidized prices via quite a few major carriers as the SGS2/3 and Sensation/One X yet sold only 750K units compared to tens of millions of non-Nexus devices that they were on the display floor (or web) sitting next to.
While Google doesn't spend as much on advertising as Samsung and Amazon anyone who searches on "best tablets" or "best smartphones" would see comparisons that all rate the current Nexus devices very highly. So it isn't as if people buying other phones and tablets didn't know they existed. The 16GB G-Tab 2 was $229 for the 7" and $349 for the 10" (only $50 less than the Exynos 5/2560x1600/2GB RAM N10) over the holidays both with inferior processors and displays compared to the N7 and N10. Why do you (or others) think they outsold "better" featured and reviewed Nexus competitors? At least we agree that distribution and name recognition play an important role so maybe the answer is there's value in walking in to a store and picking one up off the shelf. But globally I'd imagine picking up a KF off the shelf isn't much easier than a N7.
Truth is, I don't think Google ever intended to sell too many nexus products. They make naff all on them, and they aren't even made by googles manufacturer! Seeding the market, and building a brand seem the main objectives as far as I can tell.
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Agreed. The botched availability of the N4 whose launch pissed off more people than it pleased is testament. But that brings us back to OP's original question about the N10 taking off. With limited distribution and a $399/499 price tag it'll most likely sell in smaller quantities over its lifespan than more available competitive products rendering it a niche device. But if the G-Tab 3 Plus ends up selling well with the same h/w and same price as the N10 would you credit that 100% to it being more available? Just curious.
My guess is because it doesn't have a normal distribution. I know Staples and Walmart have them in the states but not in Canada. If they had them in Bestbuys and Futureshop then we would see more accessories.
If I am correct, the Galaxy Tab 3 plus should sell at a decent pace.
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My guess is because it doesn't have a normal distribution. I know Staples and Walmart have them in the states but not in Canada. If they had them in Bestbuys and Futureshop then we would see more accessories.
If I am correct, the Galaxy Tab 3 plus should sell at a decent pace.
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Agreed.
Even at Staples, you can only get the 32GB version. That eliminates all the potential customers that are looking for a cheaper alternative to the iPad, since the 32GB is the same price as the entry level iPad.
I think Google's master plan with the Nexus line was to get developers into the play store and also to get companies to make accessories...Not sure how they are doing on the accessories front but I think its pretty deplorable that a samsung/google hasn't released an official pogo charger yet especially given the poor charging that happens with the stock charger. I keep hoping it will come out but I'm starting to think it is about to be too late for them to make an official one -- have to rely on third party vendors for it