I have noticed recently (perhaps related to the .21 update?) that Google sky was not tracking well with my movements... so I tried 2 compass applications to validate the e-compass performance.
The compass behavior is really squirrely and seems to have very little correlation to which direction the tablet is pointed.
It seems that the compass must have worked better in the past as Google Sky used to work great.
Can anyone else report if their compass is working properly? What app did you use to verify it? What orientation did you hold your TFP to get a good result?
Mine has never worked correctly, and I've been trying off and on since I first got it in December, before any official ICS update was even released. I always assumed it was related to the poor GPS performance.
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Mine has never worked correctly, and I've been trying off and on since I first got it in December, before any official ICS update was even released. I always assumed it was related to the poor GPS performance.
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Exactly the same for me. And I have the (same) prime ever since December as well.
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I have noticed recently (perhaps related to the .21 update?) that Google sky was not tracking well with my movements...
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No change (for better or worse) with .21 or ... ever
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It seems that the compass must have worked better in the past as Google Sky used to work great.
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It never worked reliably. I'm sorry but I am skeptical about your statement "worked great". Search this forum for my posts mentioning the e-compass as almost unusable.
I once had fun watching the compass readings constantly revolve, making full 360 deg sweeps in just a little over a minute (sic!). A recalibration brought back the unreliable, miserable readings.
Yes this is a problem. But can be fixed by a simple step. Just move, rotate your tab in all directions (up down, left right and on its own AXIS)
This should fix the compass. In my case, thus would fix it but would revert back
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I also confirm twitchy e-compass... no new news here though, it is all related to our known problems.
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Make sure you do not have mock locations enabled in the developer settings....This throws off the compass
google skymap sucks for me too. I'll double check to see if mock locations is on, I don't think it is, I've fiddled with all the skymap settings with no results.
I have to calibrate my compass using GPS Status every time I want to use it. After that, it seems to work fine.
There seems to be a problem with keeping calibration settings for the compass after each reboot...
These e-compasses do not use the magnetic field to give direction. They totally rely on GPS. GPS accuracy requires movement. The compass gets 2 (or more) readings, and then caculates the location and direction from them.
Even a good GPS device like Garmin, will have difficulty. If you are stationary, the gps reading will vary. The best accuracy for consumers is about 10 ft. If you had a test app, and were stationary....you would see that the individual gps readings are grouped in about a 10 ft radius from your position, with a few being outside that.
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These e-compasses do not use the magnetic field to give direction. They totally rely on GPS. GPS accuracy requires movement. The compass gets 2 (or more) readings, and then caculates the location and direction from them.
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Please stop diffusing inaccurate information.
Prime is equipped with a physical magnetometer. PERIOD.
You can try to recalibrate the compass by moving the device in a large figure of eight in a horizontal plane, outside and away from any ferrous metal.
Also, beware of any magnetic devices, fastenings or closures in protective cases you might buy. Don't park your Prime on a convenient HiFi loudspeaker top!
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You can try to recalibrate the compass by moving the device in a large figure of eight in a horizontal plane, outside and away from any ferrous metal.
Also, beware of any magnetic devices, fastenings or closures in protective cases you might buy. Don't park your Prime on a convenient HiFi loudspeaker top!
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The Prime's keyboard itself has a magnet in it, and I'd imagine the Prime does as well to register that field so that the screen shuts off when you close it.
But yes! Keep your Primes off of awesome speakers lol, as well as all your other precious electronics
I haven't actually played with the compass all that much as I've fretted over WiFi/BT and GPS. I know that my accelerometer consistently feels off: until I actually run tests on it. I think many of our issues (outside of the aluminum body and bad choice in wireless module) really are drivers and apps' implementations of h/w as opposed to the h/w itself.
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These e-compasses do not use the magnetic field to give direction. They totally rely on GPS. GPS accuracy requires movement. The compass gets 2 (or more) readings, and then caculates the location and direction from them.
Even a good GPS device like Garmin, will have difficulty. If you are stationary, the gps reading will vary. The best accuracy for consumers is about 10 ft. If you had a test app, and were stationary....you would see that the individual gps readings are grouped in about a 10 ft radius from your position, with a few being outside that.
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I do not know why the hell you would post this. The meter does detect magnetic fields. Why do you think they call it an ecompass. Put a magnet close to it and open a compass app. Even your GPS explanation is horrible and incorrect.
sorry I just hate when people give out stupid info
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You can try to recalibrate the compass by moving the device in a large figure of eight in a horizontal plane, outside and away from any ferrous metal.
Also, beware of any magnetic devices, fastenings or closures in protective cases you might buy. Don't park your Prime on a convenient HiFi loudspeaker top!
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Okay I have read this and tried on an android phone with no success. Just to clear things up, do I keep the prime oriented the same way through the figure eights or point it through, kinda like a kid playing with a toy car driving in a figure eight. Also do I keep the prime horizontal as well? sorry to sound like a dolt, but I can see many ways to do a figure eight with the prime. Your Horizontal plane was a help.
As far as I know, just keep the device pointing the same way and horizontal.
If your compass does not respond to this, I suggest it might be stuffed.
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I'm finding the 2D accuracy is usually pretty close, but the altitude is all over the place. It's currently reading -4m despite my being a good 8-10m above sea level (including being on the second floor). The other day at the same position, it started at 22m and gradually went down to -2m even though I hadn't moved.
Anyone else seeing this?
well...i don't have that particular problem...but i do get live search aquiring the gps location somewhere COMPLETELY away from where i'm at..almost 6-10 miles away to be exact. I usually do a soft reset and all is good again....google maps usually gets my location on point at all times...jus not as expansive in options like live search
Vertical Accuracy
Vertical accuracy of a gps is never near as good as horizontal accuracy. Its more a function of the way gps works than any inadequacy of your equipment. You should get within about 5 metres horizontally when you lock on 4 or more satellites. But vertical accuracy is rarely better than 20 metres.
For more information about why this is true check out http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/gps_elevation.html
Yes, that is pretty typical of any GPS. I believe it is improved if you have WAAS enabled, but we don't have that.
the GPS program that I have [VitoNavigation] gives an accuracy in ft. on my mogul. Normally it reads above 35 ft accurate. have not tested it yet to see if it really is that far off or if the program is not right...too cold outside
@D accuracy ?
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I'm finding the 2D accuracy is usually pretty close, but the altitude is all over the place. It's currently reading -4m despite my being a good 8-10m above sea level (including being on the second floor). The other day at the same position, it started at 22m and gradually went down to -2m even though I hadn't moved.
Anyone else seeing this?
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@d fix is just that. If you did not mean 3D fix then not surprised, as 2D is not the Z axis and you need a 3D fix, and it still will not be as accurate in the Z axis but should be better with a 3D than a 2D.
Umm... what?
Soundy,
That last post was a bit over my head too. (no offense intended madman, just that we didn't understand the jargon)
All i know is that the vertical accuracy you are experiencing is, unfortunately, about as good as it gets. Did you check out the link I posted before. It explains that the geo-spacial orientation of the satellites is the problem. To get a horizontal fix of your location, the gps receiver needs to see at least three satellites at different angles from your location and work out by triangulation where you are. Obviously if all three are located close to each other, the triangulation is less accurate and liable to slight - but amplified - inaccuracies in the angles that help your gps calculate your location. If the three satellites are right on the horizon relative to your gps location, at 120 degrees away from each other then you will get maximum accuracy because the angles are big and the slight error in reading these angles is proportionally much smaller.
To get a vertical location fix, the satellites that you lock onto in order to get an accurate fix need to be located at equidistant angular locations relative to your location not just in a horizontal plane like when getting a horizontal fix, but vertically as well. The only way to get the satellites in this orientation relative to your location is to have one of the satellites directly overhead and another three located in a tetrahedron format below the far horizon. Unfortunately the satellite signal cannot penetrate through the earth to get to you, so you have to rely on satellites which are above the horizon. Unfortunately these ones are therefore not located as far away (optimal) from the one directly above and so the calculation of the vertical elevation data suffers.
The same effect occurs on your horizontal accuracy when you have a fix on three or four satellites but they are all in the same part of the sky. Your accuracy, even horizontally will be more inaccurate too. Thats why its better to get 7 or 8 satellites in your sights. Its not just that 7 or 8 give more data than just 3 but mainly because they are more likely to be spaced out around the sky more optimally.
As the satellites move throughout the day, the almost random orientation of the satellites as the follow their own paths means that accuracy will go up and down as the pattern of satellites gets "better" or "worse" relative to your location.
Hope this helps
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Soundy,
That last post was a bit over my head too. (no offense intended madman, just that we didn't understand the jargon)
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Heh, well, I got the jargon, but I sure didn't understand the flow...
All i know is that the vertical accuracy you are experiencing is, unfortunately, about as good as it gets. Did you check out the link I posted before.
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Yeah, interesting stuff.
The same effect occurs on your horizontal accuracy when you have a fix on three or four satellites but they are all in the same part of the sky. Your accuracy, even horizontally will be more inaccurate too. Thats why its better to get 7 or 8 satellites in your sights. Its not just that 7 or 8 give more data than just 3 but mainly because they are more likely to be spaced out around the sky more optimally.
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It does, thanks. I'm typically seeing 6-8 satellites, horizontal (2D) accuracy is usually pretty good... at worst it seems to be 6-10 feet off to the west (ie. it shows my position a little further west than it actually is). It's stranger to me that the altitude seems to "wander" so much - like I say, the one time it started at +22m and slowly went down to -2m... while I was sitting still
I owned the previous Galaxy S 16GB but ended up returining it due to the pathetic GPS performance after getting tired of all the pseudo-fixes and rumours flying around. The nasty rfs filesystem lag also didn't help.
Somewhat lost confidence in normal reviews after that. Fortunately I was able to return the device after 1 month but am now curious about the SGS2.
Have anyone tested GPS results in a consistent, detailed way? (not just the usual comments bout fast fixes and how well it works with navigation apps that snap - more like detailed tracks).
Tried searching but to no good result.
Other than the GPS and Lag issues, I had no major complaints about the SGS1 (you can add the lack of flash led and notification light but those are somewhat solved in SGS2).
GPS issues on the SGS 2
The GPS in SGS2 is OK. However, it take 2 to 4 minutes to get satellite fixed from cold start and also often no signal in doors (eg, in your office or inside your house).
You can try to stick a piece of kitchen Aluminum Foils (about 6x9 cm) on the interior side of the battery cover, which may enhance the reception of the GPS in your SGS2. your can also try this in SGS1.
In comparison to Quarx Cyanogen Mod on the Moto Defy, the Galaxy S2´s GPS fix is slow and little unstable. Sometimes I´m about 50meters away from my real position on google maps.
I think it could and should be optimized.
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In comparison to Quarx Cyanogen Mod on the Moto Defy, the Galaxy S2´s GPS fix is slow and little unstable. Sometimes I´m about 50meters away from my real position on google maps.
I think it could and should be optimized.
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Try sticking a piece of kitchen Aluminum Foils (about 6x9 cm) on the interior side of the battery cover, which may enhance the reception of the GPS in your SGS2.
Tested hot and cold but for fix and works .
Tested general location works .
Tested My Tracks works .
A slightly better GPS than my SGS1 which worked .
Actual details feet inched sats and metres sorry dont get involved in that argument any more . As those with poor GPS just accuse you of lying if you have no problems .Plus who can keep track of the multiple posts saying exactly the same thing .Post tracks and someone will start yet another post next day .
Their are a couple of detailed tests around including on here .
Clove.co.uk Blog has a detailed test from a member .
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If you want detailed tracks, then there are a couple on my post here, but that whole thread will be of interest - other people dump some tracks a few days after me. My traces compare a Desire and the SGS2 sittin side-by-side on the passenger seat of the car, and are equally good.
Overall I'm very pleased with the GPS, it's certainly perfectly good for real world navigation. If you need <5m accuracy for specialist tasks, you might have some problems, but that's not confirmed.
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If you want detailed tracks, then there are a couple on my post here, but that whole thread will be of interest - other people dump some tracks a few days after me. My traces compare a Desire and the SGS2 sittin side-by-side on the passenger seat of the car, and are equally good.
Overall I'm very pleased with the GPS, it's certainly perfectly good for real world navigation. If you need <5m accuracy for specialist tasks, you might have some problems, but that's not confirmed.
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Seen them. By SGS 1 standards they look unbelievable, definitely good enough for my needs, which are basically normal car navigation (including in fairly complex urban areas at slow speeds) and some occasional walking navigation.
I also checked Clove's blog review and a couple more tracks and it got the impression that the SGS2 has a working GPS.
Got burnt really bad by the SGS1 and the way Samsung never got to fix it tho (or even somehow recall units) and I'm a bit sceptic about risking money again as I might not be able to return it this time.
Still, those tracks to look great... and it seems the lag issue is gone too. Tempting...
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slightly better GPS than my SGS1 which worked .
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Would have to be much better than 'slightly better' in my case... my SGS1 was unable to drive me out of the block.
Slightly better as in the tracks posted you mention are much the same as my SGS2 tracks .
SGS1 tracks much the same except not as accurate on bends and they would snap to the side of the road rather than the centre . But 100% usable as GPS .
Just carried out a cold boot GPS test 4mins 8 satellites locked .
As i see it most had no problem SGS1 and likewise SGS2 .
But some did and some have and no real reason why .
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i get indoor fix within 20 seconds. I have used CoPilot for a 50 mile journey, and it is more stable than it was on my hero, which used to lose satelite reception until i restarted copilot.
I used MyTracks yesterday for a hike and it was dead on. I got a lock in about 10-15 seconds and had up to 4 meter accuracy. I am used to my Captivate where the closest accuracy I got was 40m and would go up to 1200m accuracy. I am very happy with SGS2's GPS to be honest
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I used MyTracks yesterday for a hike and it was dead on. I got a lock in about 10-15 seconds and had up to 4 meter accuracy. I am used to my Captivate where the closest accuracy I got was 40m and would go up to 1200m accuracy. I am very happy with SGS2's GPS to be honest
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I have been testing an SGS2 for 4 days now and share your impression. It holds on to locks pretty well and its accuracy appears to at least match my stand-alone little Holux GPS receiver (old SiRF III unit). It's no wonder, but it's good enough for car navigation, perhaps even for walking, but probably not for precise geocaching. Overall, from what I've seen from it so far, I have to say I'm pleased that this time Samsung got it right.
It appears to be a lot better than the disastrous SGS 1 (couldn't hold to locks, terrible accuracy, useless GPS).
I'm a bit lazy to post MyTracks paths right now but can do it later if anyone needs to see some.
I have been struggeling to get GPS to work on ICS for a few days but nothing worked. Not any fix worked. Then i discovered that the slick plastic battery cover i bought in China
contained a metallic paint. As soon as i put the original battery cover on GPSWas faaaaaast and accurate. So for those who have problems getting stable GPS, remove any protective cases or battery covers and try again!
It would make sense that they would update the faulty hardware when they found the problem. I'd still like a TP 201 but GPS is a necessity for aviation navigation. If the problem was fixed in later batches, I would buy one.
Well, if GPS is a necessity... don't go for the TP... it's a fantastic device, but not intended to be used as a GPS device... it's a design fault more than a hardware fault... perhaps if the TP Infinity has GPS it would be better...
prime will work fine for navigating now that asus is giving away free external gps dongles..read my gps dongle test thread for more details
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1602789
Is the dongle only for people who bought a TP before the GPS was removed from the specifications?
Would a person who bought a TP today get a dongle?
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Is the dongle only for people who bought a TP before the GPS was removed from the specifications?
Would a person who bought a TP today get a dongle?
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yes..dependent on where you live though. most places can get them
I bought a Prime 1.5 weeks ago. After rooting and apply the aGPS fix, my GPS works great. I haven't waited longer than 10 seconds for a lock. Maybe they did improve it.....
I would not trust a non dedicated GPS system for aviation. That is just asking for trouble.
I have a later TFP (C1 series) and my GPS is functional but not great.
The Asus TFP aluminum case (product design - good for appearance and sturdiness) imepeeds GPS and Wi-Fi in some cases.
I ordered the GPS dongle and anticipate this will bring GPS reception up to the level of my smartphone.
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I have a later TFP (C1 series) and my GPS is functional but not great.
The Asus TFP aluminum case (product design - good for appearance and sturdiness) imepeeds GPS and Wi-Fi in some cases.
I ordered the GPS dongle and anticipate this will bring GPS reception up to the level of my smartphone.
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recent testings, including mines and other members, show prime gps dongle performing better than smartphone gps
Pilot here. Bought my prime to be an EFB. All the pilots I personally know that use a tablet for an EFB are apple freaks so they were my only point of reference before buying. I was told not to expect a tablet GPS to be that useful in the confines of a small aluminum cockpit. The GPS antenna really needs to be up on the dash which obviously would make the tablet a bit useless. The suggestion was to use a bluetooth GPS and set it up on the dash if I wanted georeference on the charts. However, none of these pilots bothered with that. Of course it did occur to me that these pilots were full of **** and trying to justify why they bought the cheaper ipad without 3g (and no GPS either) but I was not expecting any tablet gps to be great in the cockpit so I wasn't making my purchase decision based on that.
I'm of the mindset of not bothering with it. I have three panel mounted GPS units in the airplane. I really don't need another. It's easy enough to just swipe chart to the right location when I need the chart and I don't need to actually look at a chart very often at that.
So, I was dissapointed when I saw the the GPS in the prime is a no-go, but it wasn't a deal breaker for me. That said, I put in for that new dongle... it's free afterall, may as well give it a try.
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Pilot here. Bought my prime to be an EFB. All the pilots I personally know that use a tablet for an EFB are apple freaks so they were my only point of reference before buying. I was told not to expect a tablet GPS to be that useful in the confines of a small aluminum cockpit. The GPS antenna really needs to be up on the dash which obviously would make the tablet a bit useless. The suggestion was to use a bluetooth GPS and set it up on the dash if I wanted georeference on the charts. However, none of these pilots bothered with that. Of course it did occur to me that these pilots were full of **** and trying to justify why they bought the cheaper ipad without 3g (and no GPS either) but I was not expecting any tablet gps to be great in the cockpit so I wasn't making my purchase decision based on that.
I'm of the mindset of not bothering with it. I have three panel mounted GPS units in the airplane. I really don't need another. It's easy enough to just swipe chart to the right location when I need the chart and I don't need to actually look at a chart very often at that.
So, I was dissapointed when I saw the the GPS in the prime is a no-go, but it wasn't a deal breaker for me. That said, I put in for that new dongle... it's free afterall, may as well give it a try.
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please post back after you receive the dongle and test it on your flights. i bet you will be surprised as to how well and accurate the dongle performs.
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Pilot here. Bought my prime to be an EFB. All the pilots I personally know that use a tablet for an EFB are apple freaks so they were my only point of reference before buying. I was told not to expect a tablet GPS to be that useful in the confines of a small aluminum cockpit. The GPS antenna really needs to be up on the dash which obviously would make the tablet a bit useless. The suggestion was to use a bluetooth GPS and set it up on the dash if I wanted georeference on the charts. However, none of these pilots bothered with that. Of course it did occur to me that these pilots were full of **** and trying to justify why they bought the cheaper ipad without 3g (and no GPS either) but I was not expecting any tablet gps to be great in the cockpit so I wasn't making my purchase decision based on that.
I'm of the mindset of not bothering with it. I have three panel mounted GPS units in the airplane. I really don't need another. It's easy enough to just swipe chart to the right location when I need the chart and I don't need to actually look at a chart very often at that.
So, I was dissapointed when I saw the the GPS in the prime is a no-go, but it wasn't a deal breaker for me. That said, I put in for that new dongle... it's free afterall, may as well give it a try.
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Yes the free GPS Extension Kit; this is what Asus calls in the packaging it does help the GPS. What the Kit does is it disables the built in GPS and uses the dongle GPS. Works good, I tested to see indoors. I have the C3OK serial TP and the GPS kind of works outside, but with the dongle, it finds your location within 30 seconds after the first time. I prefer not to have the dongle, but at least I can use it if I ever wanted to really use the GPS. I have my TP rooted, so I might try the GPS hack that has been really working. Here is a quick view of the dongle.
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please post back after you receive the dongle and test it on your flights. i bet you will be surprised as to how well and accurate the dongle performs.
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It came in today and while I haven't flight tested it yet I think I have to say color me not impressed.
When I first got the tablet with Honeycomb still on it, I could get and lock onto GPS with it sitting on my dining room table near a window with an accuracy of 90 something feet. Outside was a little better... maybe 40 feet or so but I have no doubt that if I was diving (or flying) that the lock would be lost but I never tested it.
When the tablet updated to ICS, I lost ALL GPS function. Never could see a satellite inside or outside even when left for hours under an open sky.
Well, with the dongle, my GPS now see satellites again... but not as good as I had with the native GPS and Honecome operating system. Sitting here on the same dinning room table near the same window, I mostly do not have lock. Occasionally it will grab a lock but the best I've seen is accruacy o 143'. The last lock I had was to 757'. Currently as I type, no lock. Outside after setting for a long time, I got a lock to 70 or so feet. As I walked around the yard, accuracy fluctuated between that 70' and 125' but was mostly between 90' and 125'.
I'll have a chance to test it in a small aluminum cockpit going 200mph tomorrow and see how it does... not expecting much.
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Woops, sorry. Nevermind. It didn't occur to me that it might perform better after restarting the prime (since it's hardware and the software has been restarted several times since the last update).
In any case, it's actually impressive now. Inside it's a solid 40 or so on the accuracy. Outside walking around the back yard, it holds a solid 12' or so. Best I've seen.
I'm feeling better about it's chances tomorrow. We'll see.
Finally got a chance to post back here. It worked flawlessly in the airplane. 17' to 20' accuracy when the Prime was sitting on the seat next to me. Would go to less than 10' accuracy when I held the Prime in front of me where it would normally be when I'm working on it and that's going at about 200mph. Nice feature added to the charting software.
I still regard it as just a 'nice feature' though. It really is easy enough to just swipe the chart to your location without GPS. Most airplanes have GPS in the panel now (mine has three) so you already know your location and most GPS units built in the last 12 years or so contain most of the information you'd need on a typical flight in the database so we don't even have to look at these charts during the actual flight that often anymore... and some of the more recent ones have the charts actually loaded into them (mine does not and is what I use the Prime for). When we douse a chart in flight, it's not to see where we are (since we already know that), it's to look up some detailed information that's not in our GPS databases, or perhaps the most common reason... to look up the spelling of an assigned intersection (spellings are typically very odd) so that we can access that intersection in the panel GPS.
Now, there are SOME older planes where the owners may not of updated their panels to have a GPS in them. For those, I'd want to buy a tablet with a good working GPS. In that case, a GPS would be a HUGE benefit.
I just ordered a Pixel 6, which should be arriving in a couple of days. I want to do my best and locating any issues within the two week return policy.
From what I have read, most of the Pixel bugs have been fixed, and other issues some people have in other people don't.
Is there a way that I can run certain tests to see if those bugs are impacting my phone on the network that I'm on?
That is, for the fingerprint sensor, it's obvious how to test that.. For items such as connectivity, that seems a bit more complex.
As I have work and other obligations, as most people do, I can't sit in front of my phone all day for 14 days to figure out what issues exist.
Are there some recommendations on what /how to test, to see if things are any issues that are important to me?
Thanks
ScreenTest; check the display. It should be perfect. That's the first thing I check.
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ScreenTest; check the display. It should be perfect. That's the first thing I check.
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Thanks. That's great advice for phones in general. And recommendations for some burn-in type test would not be bad, altogether.
I was asking more specifically regarding issues which people have with the Pixel 6, even at this late date 9 months later. For example, related to network connectivity and overheating.
Thanks
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Thanks. That's great advice for phones in general. And recommendations for some burn-in type test would not be bad, altogether.
I was asking more specifically regarding issues which people have with the Pixel 6, even at this late date 9 months later. For example, related to network connectivity and overheating.
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You're welcome. Sorry I can't give you more concise information.
Looking more for dead or wrong color pixels. Variations in color or greyscale, there should be none.
Test the cams. Test the phone, internet, bt and wifi. Test the sensors and fast charging.
Do the basics first as failure of these will cause a return for sure.
Fortunately you have the luxury of real users reviews now, months latter.
You don't have to dig too hard. Do searches on Google, use xda in search to pull up threads about easily on this site.
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You're welcome. Sorry I can't give you more concise information.
Looking more for dead or wrong color pixels. Variations in color or greyscale, there should be none.
Test the cams. Test the phone, internet, bt and wifi. Test the sensors and fast charging.
Do the basics first as failure of these will cause a return for sure.
Fortunately you have the luxury of real users reviews now, months latter.
You don't have to dig too hard. Do searches on Google, use xda in search to pull up threads about easily on this site.
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I also guess that you were talking about the more recently reported issues with dead pixels around the camera, not just a generic item.
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I also guess that you were talking about the more recently reported issues with dead pixels around the camera, not just a generic item.
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There have been more issues across the board with the variable refresh rate displays, not just dead pixels and not just Google. Personally I don't think the variable refresh rate displays are worth the trouble. They are extremely hard to accurately color calibrate as well; too many variables.
There been battery/heat issues too, but many other brands are having them as well. Android 11/12 are no gems. The scoped storage sucks extra CPU cycles/battery.
Take a picture of a blank wall and look for circle shaped spots. I didn't do that and now I have Casper the friendly ghost on every low detailed photo.
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ScreenTest; check the display. It should be perfect. That's the first thing I check.
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Is there a specific app that you recommend? They're quite a number of them called screentest.
Interestingly, I was expecting comments regarding network connectivity, overheating and the fingerprint reader.... Instead in hearing about camera and screen... Starting to think twice about this phone... I only ordered it after articles talked about bugs mostly fixed ..(and $100 off). I was waiting for the 6a (I have a 3a)
dzr said:
Is there a specific app that you recommend? They're quite a number of them called screentest.
Interestingly, I was expecting comments regarding network connectivity, overheating and the fingerprint reader.... Instead in hearing about camera and screen... Starting to think twice about this phone... I only ordered it after articles talked about bugs mostly fixed ..(and $100 off). I was waiting for the 6a (I have a 3a)
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It's Screen Test, my bad.
This version will run on Android 9 and 10, not sure about 11/12.
Any tests for the networking issues?
blackhawk said:
There have been more issues across the board with the variable refresh rate displays, not just dead pixels and not just Google. Personally I don't think the variable refresh rate displays are worth the trouble. They are extremely hard to accurately color calibrate as well; too many variables.
There been battery/heat issues too, but many other brands are having them as well. Android 11/12 are no gems. The scoped storage sucks extra CPU cycles/battery.
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So, I received the phone. That screen testing software, doesn't show anything around the camera, notification area. As such, the screen testing looked fine. But, I see a gradient in that portion of the screen. Is that expected?
At first I thought that I had massive networking issues ... But then I noticed that both the 3A and 6 have Network issues when they are on within a few feet of each other. Even if the other phone is in airplane mode. Once I turned one or the other off completely, the other phone worked fine.
I need to get used to the size of this.. hopefully I can. Right now my hand is cramping. Any suggestions? I'm really used to using a phone with one hand.
macaulay mcculkin said:
Take a picture of a blank wall and look for circle shaped spots. I didn't do that and now I have Casper the friendly ghost on every low detailed photo.
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Thankfully, mine seems fine in this regard.
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So, I received the phone. That screen testing software, doesn't show anything around the camera, notification area. As such, the screen testing looked fine. But, I see a gradient in that portion of the screen. Is that expected?
At first I thought that I had massive networking issues ... But then I noticed that both the 3A and 6 have Network issues when they are on within a few feet of each other. Even if the other phone is in airplane mode. Once I turned one or the other off completely, the other phone worked fine.
I need to get used to the size of this.. hopefully I can. Right now my hand is cramping. Any suggestions? I'm really used to using a phone with one hand.
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Not sure. ScreenTest isn't working as expected.
It should cover the whole display.
Check to see if there's a newer version.
Get a good case and get use to using both hands. A case is needed to protect it. I use the Zizo Bolt but don't think they make cases for Pixels. The N10+ is not really one hand usable either but my eyes say the added screen acreage is worth it.
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Not sure. ScreenTest isn't working as expected.
It should cover the whole display.
Check to see if there's a newer version.
Get a good case and get use to using both hands. A case is needed to protect it. I use the Zizo Bolt but don't think they make cases for Pixels. The N10+ is not really one hand usable either but my eyes say the added screen acreage is worth it.
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I downloaded another screen test and the color is stable across the screen.
dzr said:
Interestingly, I was expecting comments regarding network connectivity, overheating and the fingerprint reader.... Instead in hearing about camera and screen...
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I haven't had any problems with my P6, but from what I've read the problems will be easy to spot if you have them.
Stay off wifi for a while and make sure you have a stable mobile data connection (not constantly switching between 4G & 5G, being able to pull up websites, watch videos, etc.). See if the fingerprint scanner works at least 8/10 or 9/10 times. Does the phone heat up in normal use. Can you get at least a day out of the battery under normal use.
I don't think you need to stress out about locating issues. If you have them, you'll know.
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I haven't had any problems with my P6, but from what I've read the problems will be easy to spot if you have them.
Stay off wifi for a while and make sure you have a stable mobile data connection (not constantly switching between 4G & 5G, being able to pull up websites, watch videos, etc.). See if the fingerprint scanner works at least 8/10 or 9/10 times. Does the phone heat up in normal use. Can you get at least a day out of the battery under normal use.
I don't think you need to stress out about locating issues. If you have them, you'll know.
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Exactly, you do have a warranty if there happens to be issues. If theres a big hardware issue, they'd do a recall if not there'd be a class action like the N6P, the $400 we got was pretty cool.
I ended up having some audio issues with Bluetooth in my car and some siblilance (letter s) issues, on hd voice. I ended up returning the Pixel 6 and bought a 6A. I do not have this problems in the 6A. My current plan does not have 5G, so I can't test against it. I need to spend more time with 4G and see how that does. The fingerprint reader, I think they even be slightly slower than the pixel 6. The screen seems okay as well as the camera.
Can someone explain why the compass of EVERY android phone I have ever owned has sucked? From a cheap HTC Aria to an uber-expensive S23U? Specifically, the compass seems to require re-calibration very frequently. For example, if you ask for walking directions in gmaps on an iPhone, the blue cone indicating the direction of motion is always correct and pointing in the appropriate direction. On every android phone I have owned it is frequently grossly off without calibration, sometimes by as much as 180 degrees. This affects the usability of the phone in augmented reality apps, whether it is hiking, figuring out where the sun is going to rise or set, where the milky way is going to be, etc. And even after the compass is calibrated it tends to drift for a few minutes after calibration, and cannot be trusted for critical use, for example "is the sun going to set between these two spires over there".
There may be regional magnetic anomalies.
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There may be regional magnetic anomalies.
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Why has my wife's iphone never suffered then?
GroovyGeek said:
Why has my wife's iphone never suffered then?
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You probably shouldn't have swallowed those magnetic balls as a kid?
Borrow your wife's iPhone?
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Why has my wife's iphone never suffered then?
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Because different phones different problems? Report it on samsung members app with some proof
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You probably shouldn't have swallowed those magnetic balls as a kid?
Borrow your wife's iPhone?
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That could have been somewhat funny if it even peripherally addressed the question.
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There may be regional magnetic anomalies.
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OMG, do you mean Tycho Magnetic Anomaly 1?
My experience also. Have owned almost every iPhone model and the compass has always been flawless. Recently spent a week in Gran Canaria and used Google Maps on my S23 ultra for hours everyday. The compass was almost way off all the time. Calibration could help a minute and the it was off again.
The wife's and kids iPhones of course worked perfectly. I had to swallow my pride and ask them for direction a lot of times Love the phone but the compass is really a disaster most of the times
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That could have been somewhat funny if it even peripherally addressed the question.
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Couldn't resist
Using the phone is poor plan anyway if your navigation depends on it in remote areas.
Get a military compass; KISS.
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Using the phone is poor plan anyway if your navigation depends on it in remote areas.
Get a military compass; KISS.
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Fair. But what about walking in the city? Surely I should not have to carry a military compass in order to decide which way gmaps directions are sending me.
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Fair. But what about walking in the city? Surely I should not have to carry a military compass in order to decide which way gmaps directions are sending me.
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You can gauge NS/EW direction by streets, landmarks or the rising/setting sun. After a time it becomes second nature. Use anything at hand that works including distant sounds.
Or simply use gps plus maps. I navigated for decades using only maps and cross highways, roads, streets etc to determine my location and direction. Didn't use a compass; formed a rough idea of north using the map and/or visual clues. Today it's so simple to do many don't have basic map or navigation skills anymore. Getting lost means you get by the seat of your pants navigational training... try that in Boston
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My experience also. Have owned almost every iPhone model and the compass has always been flawless. Recently spent a week in Gran Canaria and used Google Maps on my S23 ultra for hours everyday. The compass was almost way off all the time. Calibration could help a minute and the it was off again.
The wife's and kids iPhones of course worked perfectly. I had to swallow my pride and ask them for direction a lot of times Love the phone but the compass is really a disaster most of the times
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I am guessin it's not the S23U's fault since ALL Android phones do it. Suggests that the screwup is at the OS level
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I am guessin it's not the S23U's fault since ALL Android phones do it. Suggests that the screwup is at the OS level
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The compass works smooth and true on my N10+ except in the present of magnetic anomalies. Maybe iPhone is using GPS
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Can someone explain why the compass of EVERY android phone I have ever owned has sucked? From a cheap HTC Aria to an uber-expensive S23U? Specifically, the compass seems to require re-calibration very frequently. For example, if you ask for walking directions in gmaps on an iPhone, the blue cone indicating the direction of motion is always correct and pointing in the appropriate direction. On every android phone I have owned it is frequently grossly off without calibration, sometimes by as much as 180 degrees. This affects the usability of the phone in augmented reality apps, whether it is hiking, figuring out where the sun is going to rise or set, where the milky way is going to be, etc. And even after the compass is calibrated it tends to drift for a few minutes after calibration, and cannot be trusted for critical use, for example "is the sun going to set between these two spires over there".
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iPhones use a different sensor and calibration method that does not require the user to draw a figure-eight. Instead, the iPhone's calibration process is automatic and continuously adjusts the sensor's readings based on the phone's movement and orientation. Don't ask me why, in 2023, Samsung's flagship still requires drawing a figure-eight to recalibrate its sensor almost every single time, while my iPhone does it automatically. It's just ridiculous.
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iPhones use a different sensor and calibration method that does not require the user to draw a figure-eight. Instead, the iPhone's calibration process is automatic and continuously adjusts the sensor's readings based on the phone's movement and orientation. Don't ask me why, in 2023, Samsung's flagship still requires drawing a figure-eight to recalibrate its sensor almost every single time, while my iPhone does it automatically. It's just ridiculous.
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That's not the magnetic compass. I normally don't need to calibrate that but I only have one game that uses those sensors (might be the orientation sensor, there are several). My Samsung is very well behaved and predictable... likely a 3rd party app that's mucking yours up.
DevChek is handy for seeing and checking sensors.
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That's not the magnetic compass. I normally don't need to calibrate that but I only have one game that uses those sensors (might be the orientation sensor, there are several). My Samsung is very well behaved and predictable... likely a 3rd party app that's mucking yours up.
DevChek is handy for seeing and checking sensors.
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Certainly not my experience. I have seen the compass on Android off by as much as 180 degrees, and without calibration is almost.alaays off by around 45 degrees. Calibrating it makes it true... till next. Time you shut off the screen after which the figure 8 song and dance needs to be repeated.
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Certainly not my experience. I have seen the compass on Android off by as much as 180 degrees, and without calibration is almost.alaays off by around 45 degrees. Calibrating it makes it true... till next. Time you shut off the screen after which the figure 8 song and dance needs to be repeated.
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Don't see that but I rarely use it. Not sure what the calibration suppose to do unless there's nearby ferrous metal.
I have to add... in a city with lots of tall metal buildings, I often have trouble getting the figure 8 to do anything anyway.
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I have to add... in a city with lots of tall metal buildings, I often have trouble getting the figure 8 to do anything anyway.
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Yeah if bracketed by dense ferrous metal it will screw it up. It's pointless to calibrate in that case.
I can get pretty near to heavy trucks, in a large metal building and it's still fairly accurate.
However if I put in between two upright thick 8 inch C channels about 2 feet apart it goes way off by 45°.