So after much thought about the issues we face from poor customer support at both verizon and moto and thinking of other instances in which the individual customer's voices fall on deaf ears... It comes to my thought, 'why don't we the customers, not just dx2, but all moto customers on xda that are tired, fed up and sick of all the ignorance up there rise up!' Not that we could actually go to the offices of moto and verizon. (though if people have the time, location, and desire go for it) But similar to bus boycotts of years past, or sit-ins at restaurants. What if we were to pass the word around, and then on a specific date, say the 16th of May, we all do whatever we can to talk to moto and verizon, ie: call customer service any moment we have, chat online when we're not to busy, email anyone we know there as often as we can. Just to talk about unlocking the bootloaders. Maybe after a day of taking all our complaints and seeing the numbers we actually represent, not to mention how this will bog down their infrastructure... Maybe they will hear us... After all there's nothing illegal about it and it has been proven an effective means to an end.
I Like It . I Like It Alot.
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So are you saying like an occupy Motorola/Verizon?
Good plan. I'm curious as to why you choose the 16th of May.
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Good plan. I'm curious as to why you choose the 16th of May.
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Because he could not chose the 5th of November, it is taken
im in
Yes count me in!
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Need to develope a "canned" yet memorable keyword(s) to speak to the reps with. Anything pertaining to rooting is out. Like lets list here the most common ailments of our phone: mp3's skipping, battery jumping etc.
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Need to develope a "canned" yet memorable keyword(s) to speak to the reps with. Anything pertaining to rooting is out. Like lets list here the most common ailments of our phone: mp3's skipping, battery jumping etc.
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Multiple soft reboots, weak wifi signals regardless of area...
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Need to develope a "canned" yet memorable keyword(s) to speak to the reps with. Anything pertaining to rooting is out. Like lets list here the most common ailments of our phone: mp3's skipping, battery jumping etc.
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Multiple soft reboots, weak wifi signals regardless of area...
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Extreme lag in key situations such as making a phone call and typing on your keyboard.
Could the title include 611?
If we push to the highest tech level & ask for a ref number.
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Lemme list a set of issues I have told reps so far:
1. Music stutters like a ***** (Rephrase! Don't say ***** to the rep, especially if it is a lady! )
2. Battery bug
3. Many times the screen does NOT turn on after hanging up from a call. It isn't the case that the phone is turned off, I still here notifications for texts and emails. The screen doesn't wish to turn on. (I noticed this on CM7, so may be a CM7 issue, but still worth mentioning).
4. Screen automatically clicks icons even if I don't do anything. (Happened few times on CM7, but I think I observed this on stock as well.)
5. Lags like a ***** sometimes (rephrase!!!) So much so that it feels like a 300-600 MHz single core Windows Mobile 6 phone! !
6. Crappy/buggy video recording. Overall poor camera quality in low light! It is just pathetic, I say.
7. So far, on stock blur, I didn't find a trouble free, foolproof way to do voice recording. The voice recording ****s up when quitting the recorder app OR turning off the screen OR both. Even on CM7 I many apps fail. However, one app namely PCMRecorder works. But still it is too buggy to call as working well.
8. Many times, compass points in random/wrong directions when navigating using Maps (either transit, walking, biking or driving directions).
AND MANY MOOOOORREE...
Thanks litetaker,
I do think we ought to keep it to pre-leak stock problems. The screen blackout for example is a 2nd init only bug. Can we keep references to rooting & roms out?
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So after much thought about the issues we face from poor customer support at both verizon and moto and thinking of other instances in which the individual customer's voices fall on deaf ears... It comes to my thought, 'why don't we the customers, not just dx2, but all moto customers on xda that are tired, fed up and sick of all the ignorance up there rise up!' Not that we could actually go to the offices of moto and verizon. (though if people have the time, location, and desire go for it) But similar to bus boycotts of years past, or sit-ins at restaurants. What if we were to pass the word around, and then on a specific date, say the 16th of May, we all do whatever we can to talk to moto and verizon, ie: call customer service any moment we have, chat online when we're not to busy, email anyone we know there as often as we can. Just to talk about unlocking the bootloaders. Maybe after a day of taking all our complaints and seeing the numbers we actually represent, not to mention how this will bog down their infrastructure... Maybe they will hear us... After all there's nothing illegal about it and it has been proven an effective means to an end.
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I'm down
Who's gonna organize this?
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Lemme list a set of issues I have told reps so far:
1. Music stutters like a ***** (Rephrase! Don't say ***** to the rep, especially if it is a lady! )
2. Battery bug
3. Many times the screen does NOT turn on after hanging up from a call. It isn't the case that the phone is turned off, I still here notifications for texts and emails. The screen doesn't wish to turn on. (I noticed this on CM7, so may be a CM7 issue, but still worth mentioning).
4. Screen automatically clicks icons even if I don't do anything. (Happened few times on CM7, but I think I observed this on stock as well.)
5. Lags like a ***** sometimes (rephrase!!!) So much so that it feels like a 300-600 MHz single core Windows Mobile 6 phone! !
6. Crappy/buggy video recording. Overall poor camera quality in low light! It is just pathetic, I say.
7. So far, on stock blur, I didn't find a trouble free, foolproof way to do voice recording. The voice recording ****s up when quitting the recorder app OR turning off the screen OR both. Even on CM7 I many apps fail. However, one app namely PCMRecorder works. But still it is too buggy to call as working well.
8. Many times, compass points in random/wrong directions when navigating using Maps (either transit, walking, biking or driving directions).
AND MANY MOOOOORREE...
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Battery yes GAWD battery! How did I forget about that horrendous thing! Evernote does a wonderful job of keeping your voice recordings organized in the voice note section. The service has been invaluable to me as I have lots of ideas to keep track of and typing on a rocky bus is not easy
I've heard about the post call screen issues from more than a few people now, that should definitely be highlighted. It would scare me into not wanting take very many calls and I'd imagine the older, less-text messaging crowd would'nt lik it either.
A thought: I know many have contacted Moto or Verizon customer support and have been passed up the rep hierarchy time and again. To those who have, were you given any kind of extension to dial or the number of a particular department that could better answer your question? If we could all skip over general support somehow and concentrate on a more "effective" department, a critical mass of complaints could be reached and we would be passed further up the ladder; to a person(s) would could actually provide good, solid information.
Btw called Motorola support and heres how it went:
Me: expressing my concerns not really driving into the woman hard (please dont take that the wrong way lol)
Rep: Could you hold please?
Me: Sure :waits for 45 minutes: Hangs up phone
Didnt have time for that!!
May 16th and organizing
So I choose may 16th cause that's in about a month or so which should be plenty of time to notify all motorola users not just people on our phone but all the phones motorola claimed they'd unlock... Kinda like everyone uniting on a brute force of their customer service. As far as organization, it don't think it needs to be that elaborate. We tell everyone we can that owns a moto to call, im, email, or whatever to moto and verizon on that day as often as they can... If we can only get 5,000 people to participate and each of us makes 3 calls on that day for 3min. each that'd be 750 hrs of phone calls... That's got to raise some attention, not to mention cause a more then a few problems...
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So I choose may 16th cause that's in about a month or so which should be plenty of time to notify all motorola users not just people on our phone but all the phones motorola claimed they'd unlock... Kinda like everyone uniting on a brute force of their customer service. As far as organization, it don't think it needs to be that elaborate. We tell everyone we can that owns a moto to call, im, email, or whatever to moto and verizon on that day as often as they can... If we can only get 5,000 people to participate and each of us makes 3 calls on that day for 3min. each that'd be 750 hrs of phone calls... That's got to raise some attention, not to mention cause a more then a few problems...
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Ah I thought the date had some kind historical significance
Won't we crash something if we have that many people calling in. I mean it's not like I'm against mucking up Motorola. Actually, disregard the apprehension.
Let's destroy them
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4x4snowboard said:
So I choose may 16th cause that's in about a month or so which should be plenty of time to notify all motorola users not just people on our phone but all the phones motorola claimed they'd unlock... Kinda like everyone uniting on a brute force of their customer service. As far as organization, it don't think it needs to be that elaborate. We tell everyone we can that owns a moto to call, im, email, or whatever to moto and verizon on that day as often as they can... If we can only get 5,000 people to participate and each of us makes 3 calls on that day for 3min. each that'd be 750 hrs of phone calls... That's got to raise some attention, not to mention cause a more then a few problems...
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Yea that sounds like a great plan
I wasn't thinking there should be some big elaborate scheme to the whole thing
But some kind of organization to show Motorola that the customers WILL and CAN unite and become a force to be reckoned with.
Maybe include a start time at which point most people should really start their calls/emails.
Say maybe 7-9am(we will have to pick a timezone to base that on so everyone adjusts accordingly, my thoughts are to have it start between 7-9am where they are located.) That way pretty early in their work day all of a sudden within 15-30 minutes of the first few calls , their phone lines and emails suddenly explode into a furious action under "attack" causing them to wonder what the hell is going on, will frustrate them slightly and hopefully cause them to make a decision better suited to our wants/needs ...then continues all day long to rack up the total man hours spent on it. But I feel like an initiao BOOM of calls/emails to grab their attention would hopefully get them to realize the users have become completely fed up with the non existent customer relations
So when is it?
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ashclepdia said:
Yea that sounds like a great plan
I wasn't thinking there should be some big elaborate scheme to the whole thing
But some kind of organization to show Motorola that the customers WILL and CAN unite and become a force to be reckoned with.
Maybe include a start time at which point most people should really start their calls/emails.
Say maybe 7-9am(we will have to pick a timezone to base that on so everyone adjusts accordingly, my thoughts are to have it start between 7-9am where they are located.) That way pretty early in their work day all of a sudden within 15-30 minutes of the first few calls , their phone lines and emails suddenly explode into a furious action under "attack" causing them to wonder what the hell is going on, will frustrate them slightly and hopefully cause them to make a decision better suited to our wants/needs ...then continues all day long to rack up the total man hours spent on it. But I feel like an initiao BOOM of calls/emails to grab their attention would hopefully get them to realize the users have become completely fed up with the non existent customer relations
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^^^ I say we listen to this guy! He seems to have some knowledge when it comes to pissing people off!
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Hi all.
I have been sitting here thinking about the current situation with the roms,and have come up with a plan.........
Seeing as we always have a large amount of REPEAT questions regarding roms and our units, we should all start calling our respective carriers with even the most ridiculous little questions and start to overload the c/s reps!! We should make sure that we tell the rep that we USED to get our help from XDA-DEV and sites like this one, but they have been requested to stop helping people and refer them to the carrier!! Soooo.....that is why we call THEM NOW!!!!!
I know that this may not seem like much to some people, but having run call centers in the past, I can tell you that the message will be received by the management! Wait times will rise,irritation will rise, discord will rise,complaints will rise!!!
These companies do pay attention if it is put to them properly and POLITELY!!!!! DO NOT CALL AND ***** OUT THE C/S REP!!!!! Be polite,respectful,........and a pain in the ass to them!!!!
Later all......
what if that leads to a corporate take over of xda-devs? then we'd all be lost.
hdbueller said:
Hi all.
I have been sitting here thinking about the current situation with the roms,and have come up with a plan.........
Seeing as we always have a large amount of REPEAT questions regarding roms and our units, we should all start calling our respective carriers with even the most ridiculous little questions and start to overload the c/s reps!! We should make sure that we tell the rep that we USED to get our help from XDA-DEV and sites like this one, but they have been requested to stop helping people and refer them to the carrier!! Soooo.....that is why we call THEM NOW!!!!!
I know that this may not seem like much to some people, but having run call centers in the past, I can tell you that the message will be received by the management! Wait times will rise,irritation will rise, discord will rise,complaints will rise!!!
These companies do pay attention if it is put to them properly and POLITELY!!!!! DO NOT CALL AND ***** OUT THE C/S REP!!!!! Be polite,respectful,........and a pain in the ass to them!!!!
Later all......
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Evil idea u got there
hdbueller said:
Hi all.
I have been sitting here thinking about the current situation with the roms,and have come up with a plan.........
Seeing as we always have a large amount of REPEAT questions regarding roms and our units, we should all start calling our respective carriers with even the most ridiculous little questions and start to overload the c/s reps!! We should make sure that we tell the rep that we USED to get our help from XDA-DEV and sites like this one, but they have been requested to stop helping people and refer them to the carrier!! Soooo.....that is why we call THEM NOW!!!!!
I know that this may not seem like much to some people, but having run call centers in the past, I can tell you that the message will be received by the management! Wait times will rise,irritation will rise, discord will rise,complaints will rise!!!
These companies do pay attention if it is put to them properly and POLITELY!!!!! DO NOT CALL AND ***** OUT THE C/S REP!!!!! Be polite,respectful,........and a pain in the ass to them!!!!
Later all......
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hell yeah thats what we do to sony u know where it gets us 1 hour on hold with an idiot who cant even a noob question
good idea i dont think htc would care the carriers would just say check htc web site for the lattest uodate
T o r r e n t s must be made wft guys put it up there
I do try my best......
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Evil idea u got there
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hdbueller said:
Hi all.
I have been sitting here thinking about the current situation with the roms,and have come up with a plan.........
Seeing as we always have a large amount of REPEAT questions regarding roms and our units, we should all start calling our respective carriers with even the most ridiculous little questions and start to overload the c/s reps!! We should make sure that we tell the rep that we USED to get our help from XDA-DEV and sites like this one, but they have been requested to stop helping people and refer them to the carrier!! Soooo.....that is why we call THEM NOW!!!!!
I know that this may not seem like much to some people, but having run call centers in the past, I can tell you that the message will be received by the management! Wait times will rise,irritation will rise, discord will rise,complaints will rise!!!
These companies do pay attention if it is put to them properly and POLITELY!!!!! DO NOT CALL AND ***** OUT THE C/S REP!!!!! Be polite,respectful,........and a pain in the ass to them!!!!
Later all......
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<saracasm> Yeah... great idea. Overload the carrier with B.S. support issues. Complaints rise. Carriers hire more customer service reps to handle the ridiculous call volume caused by ridiculous inquiries. Rates for plans and devices go up to cover the cost of the increased number of reps. Yeah.... great idea. </sarcasm>
Sorry, but you're way off. If your idea isn't just tongue in cheek to poke fun at the situation, then you really haven't thought this through at all.
i can provide all of you with a ftp server you guys can use but you'll have to manage the ftp site all by yourselves, that is, the directories, content and all will be up to you
also i won't be responsible if you take hours to upload a file and somebody else takes a few secs to delete it
if anybody's interested, pls email me at [email protected] and cc to [email protected]
any webserver or ftp server provided will be sponsored by forumics.com
i actually had the idea of complaining to my carrier about not providing all the roms whether new or old for my phone... I mean, what if the new roms doesnt work well on my phone and now i dont have the old one to fall back on after all, i do own the license to that software and would like it readily available...
<sarcasm> I'm sorry.....and what was YOUR plan again???
How many call centers have you operated?
You obviously do not understand how a call center operates! There are quotas to meet as well as call monitoring and time-on-call logs. When the t-o-c times rise,there is hell to pay! If the reasons for the delays are similar, it is noted by the c/s rep AND the call center management.
Hope this sheds even a little light on your concerns...LOL
Later.........
djaladin said:
<saracasm> Yeah... great idea. Overload the carrier with B.S. support issues. Complaints rise. Carriers hire more customer service reps to handle the ridiculous call volume caused by ridiculous inquiries. Rates for plans and devices go up to cover the cost of the increased number of reps. Yeah.... great idea. </sarcasm>
Sorry, but you're way off. If your idea isn't just tongue in cheek to poke fun at the situation, then you really haven't thought this through at all.
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djaladin said:
<saracasm> Yeah... great idea. Overload the carrier with B.S. support issues. Complaints rise. Carriers hire more customer service reps to handle the ridiculous call volume caused by ridiculous inquiries. Rates for plans and devices go up to cover the cost of the increased number of reps. Yeah.... great idea. </sarcasm>
Sorry, but you're way off. If your idea isn't just tongue in cheek to poke fun at the situation, then you really haven't thought this through at all.
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hdbueller idea sounds good. The carrier's rating will go down and they will have to make changes. They cant raise prices unless every other carrier does that too, which wont happen, This plan may start a price war and improve customer service. Like airline price wars, I think it was a good idea.
Thanks. I have personally seen policies get changed by using this method! TOC times are the key here! They monitor them very closely.
Later........
wpbear said:
hdbueller idea sounds good. The carrier's rating will go down and they will have to make changes. They cant raise prices unless every other carrier does that too, which wont happen, This plan may start a price war and improve customer service. Like airline price wars, I think it was a good idea.
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Thanks. I have personally seen policies get changed by using this method!
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You've never worked for a company like Orange obviously, having worked for them for 6.5 years I know this wouldn't change anything with Orange UK
except hold times would get longer.
Anyway as we are all on so many different carriers the influx of calls probably wouldn't be noticed by each carrier as they may only have 100 extra calls.
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Anyway as we are all on so many different carriers the influx of calls probably wouldn't be noticed by each carrier as they may only have 100 extra calls.
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That is a good point too.
http://phandroid.com/2010/10/05/skype-for-android-now-available-worldwide/
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that's right, is doesn't work on the Vibrant.
guess what it does not work on vibrant 2.1
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guess what it does not work on vibrant 2.1
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It appears that it doesn't work on any galaxy s phone..
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It's a POS app
no Video calling
no group calling
They waited this long to release this Garbage?
Fring was doing an excellent job, until Skype shut them down.
UGH SKYPE is a POS company
Galaxy S owners get the shaft ... yet again! Maybe we should just recognize the fact that AT&T/iPhone 4 is the best game in town and quit trying to play catch up.
There is a GPS fix that allows it to work excellent. Get over it.
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Well, at least we all now know a little more about the two of you. I don't blame you entirely for your disgraceful behavior. Surely your upbringing had a lot to do with it.
I don't see how what I said was inflammatory but perhaps it was misperceived. Allow me to explain: I paid $500 for this device. I honestly don't even need the phone aspect of it. I just need it to access the internet (email, web, etc), then as a media player, and then occasionally as a GPS device. The calling capabilities are literally icing on the cake. Let's just skip the whole GPS part since that needs no introduction. It simply doesn't work (unless you consider your location jumping around every 10 seconds "working" ... yeah, what fun it is to be hearing erroneous directions from your GPS device). T-mobile's voice and data services have been quite paltry in my experience. Calls drop quite often and that's something many Tmo subscribers complain about, especially near downtown and on a NexusOne. Moreover, data takes FOREVER to connect. I could be getting 4mbps/2mbps one second, then 750k/300k the next, then incessant data connection attempts with no data being transmitted ... until I reboot my phone. WTF??? A month ago I was driving from Dallas to San Antonio and got nothing but Edge the whole way down ... all along an interstate highway (albeit one of the worst I've ever seen) ... the phone was even occasionally switching to "G" and it took me forever to remember what that stood for ... GPRS!!! I haven't seen that since the 90s.
If you guys think it is acceptable to get ripped off like that, for hardware and services, by all means continue condoning and promoting Tmo and Sammy's failures and inaction by rewarding them for all that. These phones went on sale 7/15, around the same time Tmo announced their HSPA+ network. Three months later, you expect at least "an" action. No credits, no buy-backs, no remedies ... only failed promises. If you bought a car that couldn't perform as advertised and spec'd, I'm sure you would act differently.
But ... judging from your comments above, you guys are entirely worthy of your fate.
Best,
DCC
P.S. I dislike Apple fanboys just as much as the next guy but at some point we all need to man up to the facts ... the iPhone has the best user experience ... and Windows Phone 7 offers the best development experience (trust me, I have written/am writing apps for all three). The only thing positive about Android in my opinion is the tight integration of all the Google apps and services ... which oddly are not favored by many Android fans on this site ... in addition, they are increasingly being integrated in the other platforms as well (albeit not fast enough). Again, why Android? If it's because you want to be this decade's equivalent of the 90s' Linux geek who spends all day customizing the OS and the environment instead of actually using it and putting to good use, then have fun! Don't feel bad ... most people do not learn from history's lessons either!
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Believe me I hear you, but you make your case weak. Individual experience differs from Joe to Jane.
The biggest advantage of Android over the other's is the hardware support for every major mobile manufacturer.
And Windows Mobile 7? We will see how the numbers look by the Xmas.
Yes, I am a linux geek, but I didn't purchase my phone because I am one.
As for the OP, Skype went downhill once they went to bed with the big red.
So why do you have a tmo vibrant? Why not get an i*hone? There are pros and cons to any device and any carrier...
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Believe me I hear you, but you make your case weak. Individual experience differs from Joe to Jane.
The biggest advantage of Android over the other's is the hardware support for every major mobile manufacturer.
And Windows Mobile 7? We will see how the numbers look by the Xmas.
Yes, I am a linux geek, but I didn't purchase my phone because I am one.
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I really wanted Android to succeed but it hasn't and I'm not necessarily blaming Android itself. I just don't see how I can choose it when the hardware and carrier are dropping the ball. All three (OS, hardware, carrier) are part and parcel. "Hardware support" is not enough when the hardware itself is not cutting it. First the Hero had build quality and connectivity issues, now the Vibrant has an elusive Froyo build and major GPS issues (in response to a previous post, I have yet to see a truly working "fix" and I have installed most if not all of them ... whoever claims it's now perfectly working is smoking something he/she should share with the rest of us).
Thank you for keeping an open mind and I do agree with you that individual experiences will vary but let's agree that this forum is proof that there are major unaddressed problems with this phone.
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So why do you have a tmo vibrant? Why not get an i*hone? There are pros and cons to any device and any carrier...
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Thank you for applying intelligence and not resorting to childish name-calling ... simply put, I left AT&T after a decade of being their customer because my non-iPhone superphones (usually purchased from abroad but compatible with US 3G) were being intentionally disregarded by their network in favor of the iPhone devices out there ... $110 a month for a discriminating data service is not acceptable. iPhones are also a little "too user-friendly" for me. I preferred a more open platform. At this point though, I will settle for a device that "just works". That is what every iPhone user will tell you out there ... the s*** just works. A phone is something that should enable you to do things with it, whether it's productivity, app development, multimedia, services, etc. A phone is not a perpetual hack factory, at least not as a primary device. If people want a side project to play with, great. What I have seen on this forum though is that most people need a phone that works for them, not the other way around.
I am waiting for the first generation WP7 phones to roll out and see what drama will ensue, if any. As you very astutely stated, "there are pros and cons to any device and any carrier". I really enjoy the WP7 mobile app development environment and so long as the phones are not involved in yet another fiasco, I will most likely get one. If not, the iPhone it is.
I'm not trolling and I do not mean to offend hard-core Linux super-users/developers but this business of shoddy phones, shoddy service and endless "hacking" is not right when we're all paying 50-100 a month for service and 200-500 for devices. I am surprised that people are not up in arms about it. There really needs to be a class-action lawsuit over this. I know, a handful of lawyers will just make a shipload of money. Still, companies cannot get away with this sort of negligence. This isn't the first time and it sure as heck won't be the last.
Vote with your dollars and best luck to you,
DCC
If browse over the iphone forums you will see the plethora of posts complaining about this and that on the iphone too.
There is no magic cookie cater for anything, you will always find something to be not up to your standards.
What confuses me the most is people complaining about the features that are not being the prime in the market cliché they are shopping - for instance, neither Android nor iOS are good examples of the enterprise use, but people still insist that my phone does not integrate well with my corporate Exchange environment the way I *want* hence the product sucks.
Everything has its pluses and minuses, it's up to an individual to weigh in the pros and cons to make a conscious buying decision.
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If browse over the iphone forums you will see the plethora of posts complaining about this and that on the iphone too.
There is no magic cookie cater for anything, you will always find something to be not up to your standards.
What confuses me the most is people complaining about the features that are not being the prime in the market cliché they are shopping - for instance, neither Android nor iOS are good examples of the enterprise use, but people still insist that my phone does not integrate well with my corporate Exchange environment the way I *want* hence the product sucks.
Everything has its pluses and minuses, it's up to an individual to weigh in the pros and cons to make a conscious buying decision.
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I really want to say "I hear ya" but here's the deal ...
a) I glanced over the iPhone fora and I am not seeing anything glaring ... mostly basic user ignorance (configuration / customization issues)
b) all the iPhone users I have asked what their biggest complaint is about their phone give me the same "huh?" look ... their phone just works
c) all the major issues with iPhone 4 were addressed with some sort of fix or another, even if all it took was a rubber band ... I have friends who exchanged their phone well after the 30 days because of the proximity sensor issue (just as an example) ... clearly, Apple took ownership of resolving the deal-breaking issues
When I walked into a T-mobile store after the first 30 days and said "I will not put up with this GPS BS" they kindly restated their return policy, gave me Samsung's support number and sent me on my not-so-merry way. When I contacted Samsung, I was told to simply wait for the update as there was no fix for it so a replacement wouldn't accomplish anything. The customer service rep literally laughed when I mentioned a return of the product for refund.
You're absolutely right ... there will always be issues but this isn't a matter of preference or individual taste ... these companies are failing to deliver what they promised and what we have paid for and rightfully deserve. I am in no way saying that the iPhone is perfect; I'm sure I would have something to complain about from time to time ... but when I borrow friends' phones to "play" with, the iPhone is fast and responsive and hasn't failed me once. Load SpeedTest side-by-side. The "Begin Test" button lights up literally instantly. I know the Galaxy S phones have the same hardware. Why is it they can't be as responsive?
As I previously mentioned, I was with AT&T (or one of the companies it acquired or merged with) for over a decade until the Hero came out and I switched to Sprint. Then I went to T-mobile for the Vibrant. I will just make my rounds until I find something that works. My problem is that I get way too overexcited about the technology and jump ship before it has had a chance to prove itself. Right now the iPhone 4 has proved itself fairly well. As I said though, as a mobile apps developer, I really want WP7 to work out so I will _try_ to wait and see. The development experience is "magnifique!"
Best,
DCC
It's really disheartening to see android sinking like this because if googles ignorant attitude. I agree with you, if google woukd be a bit more proactive like Apple or Microsoft (now that they revamped) and set a standard for the OS requirement, quality control. We can all breath better. I have a bad feeling that once wm7 hit, Android will be the new WM6.5, a cheap buggy and unorganized akternative for manuftre and carriers.
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It's really disheartening to see android sinking like this because if googles ignorant attitude. I agree with you, if google woukd be a bit more proactive like Apple or Microsoft (now that they revamped) and set a standard for the OS requirement, quality control. We can all breath better. I have a bad feeling that once wm7 hit, Android will be the new WM6.5, a cheap buggy and unorganized akternative for manuftre and carriers.
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Thank you for chiming in. Hopefully Android will survive, even if only because competition is a good thing. I think most of the issues faced today (so-called fragmentation, etc) will be resolved in the re-architecture being introduced in Android 3.0. I'm more concerned about the carriers and hardware manufacturers closing up shop after a phone has been released and only looking forward to the next model. What good is it if Android survives and succeeds if I am the one left holding the dud? "Oh, just pay another two to five hundred dollars." The worst part is that the user/owner community turns a blind eye to the egregious failures in the name of fandom. That is NOT the way to organize and effect change.
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I really want to say "I hear ya" but here's the deal ...
a) I glanced over the iPhone fora and I am not seeing anything glaring ... mostly basic user ignorance (configuration / customization issues)
b) all the iPhone users I have asked what their biggest complaint is about their phone give me the same "huh?" look ... their phone just works
c) all the major issues with iPhone 4 were addressed with some sort of fix or another, even if all it took was a rubber band ... I have friends who exchanged their phone well after the 30 days because of the proximity sensor issue (just as an example) ... clearly, Apple took ownership of resolving the deal-breaking issues
When I walked into a T-mobile store after the first 30 days and said "I will not put up with this GPS BS" they kindly restated their return policy, gave me Samsung's support number and sent me on my not-so-merry way. When I contacted Samsung, I was told to simply wait for the update as there was no fix for it so a replacement wouldn't accomplish anything. The customer service rep literally laughed when I mentioned a return of the product for refund.
You're absolutely right ... there will always be issues but this isn't a matter of preference or individual taste ... these companies are failing to deliver what they promised and what we have paid for and rightfully deserve. I am in no way saying that the iPhone is perfect; I'm sure I would have something to complain about from time to time ... but when I borrow friends' phones to "play" with, the iPhone is fast and responsive and hasn't failed me once. Load SpeedTest side-by-side. The "Begin Test" button lights up literally instantly. I know the Galaxy S phones have the same hardware. Why is it they can't be as responsive?
As I previously mentioned, I was with AT&T (or one of the companies it acquired or merged with) for over a decade until the Hero came out and I switched to Sprint. Then I went to T-mobile for the Vibrant. I will just make my rounds until I find something that works. My problem is that I get way too overexcited about the technology and jump ship before it has had a chance to prove itself. Right now the iPhone 4 has proved itself fairly well. As I said though, as a mobile apps developer, I really want WP7 to work out so I will _try_ to wait and see. The development experience is "magnifique!"
Best,
DCC
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I guess I went to the apple forums before the proximity sensor issues were resolved, and it was Vibrant GPS Redux over there.
I am glad that Apple took care of the problem after a few updates to their iOS, but as with the GPS issues on our phones the proximity sensor should've been caught during the QA, I am not gonna say anything about Antennagate.
Hopefully GPS will be patched for good on the Vibrant too, and no I do not need the proof that it is addressed with the latest update - faster locks does not mean accuracy.
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Fring was doing an excellent job, until Skype shut them down.
UGH SKYPE is a POS company
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Its those bloody Iphone Users that were clogging up the servers using Fring that caused fring to gett banned from skype
cdill3000 said:
Its those bloody Iphone Users that were clogging up the servers using Fring that caused fring to gett banned from skype
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Don't let Skype off the hook though ... I used to be a big fan of theirs but they've been very slow with delivering platform-specific clients and they seem to be playing favorites and such. Closing the door on fring, a very, very open solution out there, was a deplorable thing to do.
It doesn't matter folks ... when Google comes out with their VOIP service, and you KNOW they will (Gizmo5 acquisition, etc), all these other (dis-)services will be obliterated. I predict Google will establish its own data-only cell carrier (cause data is all you need anyway) ... hopefully within the next 2-3 years.
I know this thread kinda derailed off topic, but imma put my two cents in.
I do kinda agree with DCC, at my workplace pretty much everyone has some sort of smart phone. When the subject of phones comes up, I am the first one to bang my chest and yell ANDROID~!
But the sad truth is, iphone users like the iphone because IT DOES WHAT THEY NEED IT TO DO. they really dont care about all the stuff we have come to love about android.
So they are happy and content, while we are up till the wee hrs of the morning trying to make our phones have a milli-second faster lol.
And to me its not really trying to make our phones better than the iphone, its me just making my phone better than it was.
I am disappointed in samsung about the lag issue and the gps issue.
I dont complain about it though, cause we are all here at this website to make our phones better than it is from stock. and I am 100 percent sure , once its said and done, this phone will more than satisfy me.
As far as I've read, Fring violated Skype's API and when they were challenged Fring, instead of changing their code, resolved to drop Skype support altogether. It's basically Fring's fault for not playing according to the rules. Fring issued a statement saying that Skype blocked them. It's an unlikely story since Skype has a fairly open API and would be leaving itself open to lawsuit if they did so.
blogs.skype.com/en/2010/07/fring.html
Where are you guys reading or hearing these things from?
cashless said:
As far as I've read, Fring violated Skype's API and when they were challenged Fring, instead of changing their code, resolved to drop Skype support altogether. It's basically Fring's fault for not playing according to the rules. Fring issued a statement saying that Skype blocked them. It's an unlikely story since Skype has a fairly open API and would be leaving itself open to lawsuit if they did so.
blogs.skype.com/en/2010/07/fring.html
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Umm, definitely NOT from either side's highly partial blog, that's for sure ... which, by the way, you are misquoting. Fring did not drop Skype support all together. They temporarily disabled video calls because Skype and the carriers were *****ing about it (due to the excessive load on their networks). Then they were suddenly blocked from routing connections through Skype. This is an obvious behind-closed-doors ganging up of Skype+carrier(s) against Fring who stands alone and is one of the most open companies out there.
I get it, no one here really knows what happened when and why but ... Skype is no victim. On the other hand, the Objectivist in me says Skype should have every right to deny Fring (or any individual, company or group in the world) access to their systems. I just wish they would come out and say it instead of being all sly about it.
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Umm, definitely NOT from either side's highly partial blog, that's for sure ... which, by the way, you are misquoting. Fring did not drop Skype support all together. They temporarily disabled video calls because Skype and the carriers were *****ing about it (due to the excessive load on their networks). Then they were suddenly blocked from routing connections through Skype. This is an obvious behind-closed-doors ganging up of Skype+carrier(s) against Fring who stands alone and is one of the most open companies out there.
I get it, no one here really knows what happened when and why but ... Skype is no victim. On the other hand, the Objectivist in me says Skype should have every right to deny Fring (or any individual, company or group in the world) access to their systems. I just wish they would come out and say it instead of being all sly about it.
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Saying that a company violated API publicly when they didn't is libel.
Just answer the question, your smugness, where did you get your info (especially seeing as you're stating that it's an obvious behind-closed-doors ganging up of Skype+carrier(s) against Fring. I guess you're one of these people behind these closed doors?
Lemme get your "jump to conclusions" board for you.
Now we all know that social networking has become a big thing in the past few years. Even more so now that there are apps all over the place that all do the same exact thing. Which is connect you with other people around the world, but what if you want to talk with someone a bit closer?
Everywhere you look there are people on their cell phones, whether it be android based or not. However what if your little people shy and want to strike up a conversation with someone? Especially if their tied up on their phone it makes it tough to bring up a random conversation. What if there was a way to kind of interrupt them and impress them at the same time?
For instance what if your friends dragged you to a bar, bars aren't your thing and you'd rather be at home playing games on your computer or just tearing apart the latest gizmo that you got. Well you happen to notice a girl on the other side of the bar that seems rather nerdy herself that got dragged by her friends and would rather pay more attention to her phone than the drunk guys trying to hit on her.. Obviously going over and saying hi isn't really an option as she'd likely just ignore you like she's done to the rest of the guys, cause your just another drunken idiot that wants to get in her pants (at least thats whats she'd think)..
Wouldn't it be a bit more interesting to say send a message to her phone even tho you don't know her, don't know her number, and know nothing about her.. However it'd get her attention if she got a popup that said "Hi, I can't help but notice your bored.. Me too."
Now this may or may not be possible, as I don't know a damn thing about the android nor hacking it. However I remember back in the day of high school me and a few friends during certain times of the day would go to the same computers in school, and since we knew the IP's of those computers we could send messages back and forth between each other cause they either A didn't disable windows messaging, or we had to turn it on.. We'd screw around with others in the library by sending a mass net send to all computers saying "Your computer has been infected!" then shutting them all down remotely..
Would there be a way to do such a proposal? If so anyone up to the challenge? Cause really how amazing would it be to just open up a new way to talk to those around you.
iOS had something I saw that almost kinda does this (at least I think) called sonar.me yet I don't know if android does..
Anyone?
I was thinking that if there was a way to utilize the push notifications.. Tho the question would be how to detect said device.. If they were on the same wifi as you that'd be easier.. Even through bluetooth, tho does bluetooth still transmit even when your not allowing it to be seen?
What about the possibility of just through the phone airways.. I mean they could be sitting there online with their phone anyway to intercept that..
Anyone at all?
Hey man, already thing this is a great idea. Although your scenario doesn't quite mesh with me as I am just as "geeky" in the world of pick-up as what I am in Android nerdi-ology haha (what I mean is I would have no issues going over there and sparking up conversation if shes geeky or not...although geeky would make it easier - bar easy!). Anyway I think that is a great idea. It would be ok if it was an app. Not just you sending a notification to their phone.
I was using message in a bottle for a while. Random and cool. But did not narrow to close proximity nor anything like your proposing.
I think there maybe privacy issues for push notifications being intrusive, but if someone elected for use via an app then they agree to accept notifications I think this would be ok.
I have wanted to have this sort of thing when I was on the train travelling home. I have even caught the eye of some random hottie down the isle and wanted to see if I could somehow contact her. I have scanned bluetooth and even tried to push a picture to someone thinking it could be her *thinks to self "hmm she kinda looks like a Jessica and she has a Nokia N95...bugger it send image to Jessica's N95" caching haha. So yeah I get what you mean .....walking up to someone on a train the environment (although sometimes is expected there is a level of acceptable human behavior there in) is not the place to be attempting to pick-up in dead silence with ears in close proximity eves dropping like all hell in comparison to say a night club/bar/outside area where people are sparse and/or conversation is not easily over heard. *NB: I have attempted (and passing the fear if she is confident and there has been an acceptable level of "eye-sex" or "eye-flirting" with smiles before hand) I won't get flagged off easy. If she is not confident....your pick-up interjection and sudden realisation of overh-hearing ears (eves droppers) can land even the best pick-up artist in a pickle and the shut-down is an even bigger tumble to say the least.
It's ok to get shut down in a bar where people can't hear very well, try getting shut down on a deadly silent train haha being snappy fast whitty and able to promptly deliver a negate to her clear cutting shut down is another subject all together. Being able to do it in a funny way may win you more laughs than her shut down too (geeeze I am going waaaaay off track from Android Nerd to Pick-nerd aren't I? wow I diversed big time! haha ) Aside from that I have been successful in picking up chicks on the train without this technology....but this sort of technology would only leverage a man's capability even more so.
Damn it! If this is made....I need to get a job out of town and get back on the god damned train again. I entered the world of Android to wear my geek hat so I wouldn't become obsessed pick-up dude again and here you are a forum member causing two worlds to collide! Thanks....NOT!
PM for more discussion or clarification of my ramblings haha
Well see thats the thing, sometimes girls just don't to be bothered, so how would you get their attention even for a small chat? If the girl was tech suave it could lead to an interesting topic of discussion on "How did you do that?". They have tons of chat apps that allow you to talk to complete strangers, but these people often are all over the world..
I like the things like the Nintendo DS, or even a Cybiko (if you even know what that is.. =D ) were it has a wireless chat feature where the room is just there and anyone in the area with the same device can just join in. The problem with the Nintendo DS is how often are you in a bar with one? Even the Cybiko (which is super old and was like a young tech kid's playtoy from like 2000) is that no one had it so its not like you could go out to a public area and have people join in on those chat channels.
I've seen apps that claim to do this, but they really don't, as its still over the internet instead of your local area..
Hell the closest thing that would almost be like this scenario would be hosting a open wireless connection that anyone could connect to, hosting an irc server on that network and having people connect to that server, which is quite a hastle for any one person to do just for an interesting way to chat..
Tho I agree with the whole privacy issue thing, I knew that'd probably be the case.. What if there was an app that your an that whenever someone came within your vicinity it would pop up saying "So and So has entered your area" and allowed you to click on their name and start saying hi..
Like I said in my first post there was sonar.me for ios, that kinda synced all the social networking sites to see who was in the same place you are. Supposedly it also allowed you to chat with the people that were also in your area. That would be kinda interesting..
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1419815
OPERATION: Make Our Selves Heard (#OPMOSH)
DISCLAIMER:
We here, in the movement of #OPMOSH do not consider this spam, we do not consider this slandering Moto, we simply use this as a method of having our concerns heard. Motorola Mobility Inc. has been a powerful company that has been around for a very long time, and one we hope to see long in the future as well, before and after the Google buyout.
About this movement:
Motorola Mobility Inc. has become famous for its lies, slanderous ways, and tendency to flat out prove time and time again that it cares not for its customers after they walk out of that store with their Motorola-branded device. Since the early days of Android, post Droid 1, we have sat down and took our locked bootloaders like a man. There came to be a boiling point - and a full-out war was launched on their social media sites. Sound familiar? The same thing that worked with HTC and now with Asus. We received a generic "second half of 2011" timing. Guess what! It's now Q1 2012, and not only have they missed their deadline, but they have IGNORED all bootloader-related questions, given NO official announcement of their plans still being in motion, and thus must have forgotten that we are a core, dedicated community that wishes nothing more than to enjoy the phones we were given. Let's make ourselves heard yet again, turn the heat up, and make Moto (like HTC) get off of their asses and DO SOMETHING. Everyone counts!
Moto's Facebook - Moto's Twitter - Petition - FCC Complaints (Against Verizon)
So....What can I do?
FIRST OFF, SIGN THE PETITION:
This is included in the email, so it is crucial that it continues to grow in number.
Then....
TRY CALLING VERIZON'S EXECUTIVES.
Make sure before calling that you are very informed about the issue and confident in your position, yet can be quite calm. Do not show any disrespect towards Marie H or the person you call. They are merely the (wo)man-in-the-middle, and you simply need to explain to them your position and back it up with facts. Also, do note that all times are EST.
Call Marie H. at (412) 266-7756 on Monday - Fridays, 8 am to 5 pm. OR Michelle at (803) 231-1787 on Monday - Fridays, 7 am to 4 pm. OR Call Verizon customer service at *611 or (800) 922-0204 and get to a rep by mashing 0.
This is something you cannot copy-paste, unfortunately. Here are some guidelines that should help you be successful in your endeavor:
- First off, if you get the voicemail, leave your name, number, and a time you can be contacted in case they wish to follow-up call.
- Mention that many are filing FCC complaints because this violates Block C guidelines. (Do research in case this is brought into question)
- Mention that HTC, Motorola, and Samsung have bootloader-unlockable devices on the network right now; (HTC has their 2011 devices, Moto has the Xoom, and Samsung the Galaxy Nexus)
- Mention that the bootloader being locked does not allow the device to do anything that a laptop that is using a 4G hotspot cannot do even faster/more efficiently, including hogging network resources.
- Mention that the bootloaders being FORCE locked (as in, not unlockable) does not offer protection from any present viruses or attacks of Android devices.
- Mention also that unlocking the bootloaders could very well use a system like HTC uses - which stores the IMEI of the device and voids its software warranty indefinitely, making Verizon's warranty services not liable for what a user installs on their device.
- Close your talk/voicemail by stating the number of signatures on the petition, currently well over 2,500, and saying that this is a widespread concern of many users, that wish Android to be truly open.
- Say thank you before you hang up, it'll really give off a good impression.
TRY AN FCC COMPLAINT:
http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm
Select Wireless Telephone > Billing, Service, Privacy, Number Portability and other issues > Online Form. Fill out your information, scroll down, fill out 1 and 2, skip 3 and 4. Then in 5:
- Tell the FCC that your phone’s bootloader was sold to you locked, preventing the regulatory requirement of BLOCK C Devices (MAKE SURE TO MENTION BLOCK C!!!) that "Consumers should be able to download and utilize any software applications, content, or services they desire" - make sure to cite that.
- Also helpful would be dispelling the "Reasonable network management" exclusion. Tell the FCC that Verizon allows tethering of unauthorized devices to 4G LTE services through their mobile hotspots and their paid phone tethering functionality as-is, ones that are more bandwidth-hungry and also permit installing custom operating systems, and have a potential of doing significantly more damage, such as laptops.
If you don't want to write yours up manually, we will have a pre-made step 5 that you can just copy paste soon, hopefully.
TRY EMAILING:
TO: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]rola.com, [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
To Whom It May Concern,
The independent communities that you catered to with your announcement earlier last year are very very excited for your bootloader unlock solution. However, the "second half" of 2011 has come and gone quietly; why is it that the public has received no notice that the bootloader unlock solution is still in works? A small-scale petition has made its rounds about the Android community, and has already gained over 2,500 signatures just under 55 hours after being made public: http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
Clearly, the demand is indeed still quite strong (as can be seen on your social media networks, Facebook and Twitter), and it would be quite reassuring to the communities that not only pay for your devices every upgrade opportunity, but also help develop the Android operating system that you are using on the aforementioned devices, to have an announcement that the bootloader unlock/relock solution is still on track for a timely release. This would also potentially double as reassurance to on-the-fence Galaxy Nexus/HTC smartphone buyers to go with the Motorola Droid RAZR, with its KEVLAR backing, Verizon 4G LTE speed, powerful 1.2 GHz dual core processor, and new bootloader unlock/relock solution instead. Thank you for your time, and I look forward to your response.
Sincerely,
A Motorola Mobility Enthusiast.
TRY TWEETING:
@Motorola - How about those unlocked bootloaders you promised second half of 2011? @HTC cares, do you? http://moto.ly/icsboot
TRY POSTING ON THEIR FACEBOOK WALL:
@Motorola - I'm a faithful Motorola customer, and I'm starting to have second thoughts. Honor what Android stands for, openness, and give us the bootloader unlock tool that you promised "second-half of 2011". http://moto.ly/icsboot #OPMOSH
MAKE SURE TO SIGN THE PETITION!!
It is the backbone of this movement. We need as many signatures as possible.
We NEED to be heard to get anywhere. Spread the word to your Facebook friends, your Twitter friends, your Google Talk friends, your favorite Android news site... Spread the word! Bring freedom to the Android ecosystem, like Andy Rubin and Rich Miner intended.
Thank you SO much for your support. This community is amazing and I know our endeavors will be successful. See you on Moto's Facebook!
In an effort to get better coverage, I would suggest crossposting to as many Android forums outside XDA as possible. Most definitely, send it to Android Police. It could be worth a shot. While I understand different folks have preferences as to what forums they frequent, getting the word out is paramount.
Just my $0.02 US
Make sure you start a similar one with verizon because i am pretty sure motorola is going to play the blame game as soon as this gains momentum based on the line from the blog post
"where operator and channel partners will allow it. "
I'd like to think this will work if we get it out there enough. It's the customers vs. the company, I can't think of anybody who would want it stay locked except for those people who are like "oh but then it'll just be easier for people to screw up."
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In an effort to get better coverage, I would suggest crossposting to as many Android forums outside XDA as possible. Most definitely, send it to Android Police. It could be worth a shot. While I understand different folks have preferences as to what forums they frequent, getting the word out is paramount.
Just my $0.02 US
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couldnt he also post it to many of the xda motorola forums? except those that are already unlocked of course
id send it to droid-life as well
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This is a good idea. I like the idea of mass emailing them.
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I'll be doing my part as well. Thanks for starting this thread.
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couldnt he also post it to many of the xda motorola forums? except those that are already unlocked of course
id send it to droid-life as well
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I'd even post on the unlocked ones. Many people would help the cause. They could write how much they benefit from their phone with an unlocked bootloader. I even bet a significant number of the larger Android community would assist because we all have the same end game in mind.
This thread is great. I was just thinking yesterday of collecting the various resources to petition Motorola. You made everything very clear and we thank you. SPREAD THE WORD!! and, most importantly, ACT ON IT PEOPLE!!
Now we need a script to auto-tweet, auto-email, and auto-flame Motorola AND Verizon.
I'll help out with this cause any way that I can. I just posted on Moto's Facebook Page.
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i just sent out an email to the addresses that were listed by the OP, lets see how long they can ignore the emails from the customers and ignore the petition. I hope they don't send back a generic email that states that they're "working" on it. If the dx2 is a "closet" device then maybe we can gain at least the key to unlock and we'd be gaining our pudding.
Being a recent HTC convert and former X2 owner, I can say that this could really work. We got our Rezound unlocked. This needs to get out there. You'd be surprised how powerful this can be if enough people here on XDA start making noise. Thanks, OP, for posting this. Good luck!
Can we organize a time to CALL motorola? I think clogging up their phone lines for a couple of hours may be more effective than jamming their inboxes with easily deleted emails. If we could get even 100 people to just call at the same time, we could be HIGHLY effective.
We could all also call the phone number listed in post number 96 of the similar thread in the RAZR forum. I think that if we politely annoy enough people things can get better.
'Bout to hit 1000..
Guys thus could work.we doubled our sigs in less then twelve hours at this rate we'd have 5000 by Saturday. Remember to send them emails and to remind other moto forums!! I have a feeling that they just might listen if we bagger them enough.
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antp121 said:
Guys thus could work.we doubled our sigs in less then twelve hours at this rate we'd have 5000 by Saturday. Remember to send them emails and to remind other moto forums!! I have a feeling that they just might listen if we bagger them enough.
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I signed the petition.
I posted in the Motorola X2 forums that HTC has already unlocked their bootloaders within the United States, and that the X2 will be my last Motorola phone if they do not go through with their statement they released to unlock the bootloaders.
I sent an email (not nasty, but to-the-point) in the same vein as my post in their forums.
Remember, people. Do NOT be nasty about it: no name calling, no cursing, etc. Just state that you feel they should unlock the bootloader, especially since HTC has done it. I went as far as to suggest they contact HTC to see how they got Verizon and AT&T to allow this. Then, state that you won't be purchasing any more Motorola phones if they do not move forward with this. I was being kinder and stated that we, as customers, deserve an answer from them one way or another (whether they will unlock the phones or not). If they choose not to unlock the phones nor give an answer, the X2 was going to be my last Motorola phone.
It wasn't nasty, it was to the point and it was with tact. That's what we need, not a lot of flaming, etc. That won't get you anywhere and they'll just ignore it and treat it as if it were from some child or teenager, which is what I would do with it as well.
BTW, just read this excellent article on Droid Life. Pretty damning against Motorola if you ask me!
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/01/0...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+DroidLife+(droid+life)
I went ahead and updated my post in the Moto forums to include this article link as well.
BTW, this has to be the 3rd or 4th "article" I've seen today about this. I think it's picking up steam. Now, whether Moto decides to listen and take action is another thing.
Exactly we must be to the point but not to forward it could be offensive plus that could hurt the cause And we still need a little more signer so tell your friends mom etc
Signed petition.hope were heard.
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Exactly we must be to the point but not to forward it could be offensive plus that could hurt the cause And we still need a little more signer so tell your friends mom etc
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I went and called Mrs. Ellen and Mrs. Houtz. They both want to help and are ready to join our cause. Let's make moves people.
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Posted it on a google discussion in another forum. Can we get a list of forums this has been posted on?
I believe that we should have this posted on every phones forum because it's not just for us that it will benefit but it would benefit everyone and for me I wouldn't have to wait on a phone to see if it's dev friendly or just another red headed step child.
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in light of this new information, if LG is doing this with their TV sets, I can only wonder how far they go with their phones ...making me rethink any LG mobile purchases.
http://arstechnica.com/security/201...extends-to-home-networks-second-blogger-says/
tmzbeme said:
in light of this new information, if LG is doing this with their TV sets, I can only wonder how far they go with their phones ...making me rethink any LG mobile purchases.
http://arstechnica.com/security/201...extends-to-home-networks-second-blogger-says/
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Yeah, same here. I'm running an AOSP based ROM now, so it's not going to send anything to LG. But I don't want to support a company with ethics like that.
I don't doubt for a second that LG do this on their phones, but I also don't doubt for a second that everyone else do too. These days tracking and spying seems like the norm.
Its not that did it on purpose, its more of a bug. And just becuase its happening to their smart tvs doesnt mean its happing to their phones, 2 different divisions of a company. Its not like the tv and mobile divisions have the same software engineers.
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What the Googs knows should worry you more...Think of all the programs they have going.
Keep your files clean in the future...
x714x said:
Its not that did it on purpose, its more of a bug. And just becuase its happening to their smart tvs doesnt mean its happing to their phones, 2 different divisions of a company. Its not like the tv and mobile divisions have the same software engineers.
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Nice bug. I would love to get away from such bug filled company
Don't matter what we do cause as long as were connected to the net, somebody is watching. U can run, but u can't hide! LOL
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x714x said:
Its not that did it on purpose, its more of a bug. And just becuase its happening to their smart tvs doesnt mean its happing to their phones, 2 different divisions of a company. Its not like the tv and mobile divisions have the same software engineers.
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Exactly. I really don't see what the huge problem is. They are basically putting cookies on your TV, but obviously, in this case, the information was being sent to LG's servers to be compiled. Everyone does it, hell XDA shows me ads for something on Amazon I just looked up minutes ago.
I understand, that snooping on your network is a bit much just to reccomend shows and choose advertisements, but it's not like you can't stop it. Simply put your TV on your guest network. Boom. Done. No more access to other devices on your network.
It's not like other manufacturers aren't doing similar. Samsung TVs mine a ton of data. In addition, the models with cameras, can actually watch you. In some instances, it will be used to make sure you don't have more than the allowed amount of people watching an on demand event or streaming rental, but it can also be used to count people in the room, whether they're male or female, and whether or not they are being engaged by what's on the screen be it ads or media. This hasn't stopped them from being the number 1 TV manufacturer.
As for phones, Apple and Samsung have both been caught logging locations and taking pictures of it's users and that hasn't stopped them from being the number 1 and 2 smartphone manufacturers. On top of that, they aren't the only one's digging through your phone for data.
crashN2u said:
In some instances, it will be used to make sure you don't have more than the allowed amount of people watching an on demand event or streaming rental, but it can also be used to count people in the room, whether they're male or female, and whether or not they are being engaged by what's on the screen be it ads or media.
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That has not happened till now. Stop talkig out of your @ss.
eggman89 said:
That has not happened till now. Stop talkig out of your @ss.
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Um, no. The ability has existed on the last 2 model runs, it just wasn't implemented, just tested. It was due to studios wanting to make sure that people weren't having a too many people watching at one time. It's a form of copyright protection. You can watch a movie at home with a bunch of friends no problem, but streaming a movie for say your church, is a big no-no. At that point they want you to pay them like a theater would. Using it for advertisements is fairly new and that didn't really ruffle too many feathers until Microsoft's kinect. The new kinect is making waves again because it can even measure your heartbeat. Businesses would love to find out what kind of ads get your heart racing.
It is not a bug. Have you guys read the article? LG even confirms that it did that intentionally to better viewing experiences and enhance advertisement viewing. The 2nd part about it trolling your network and pulling information from everything it finds, and sending it off to LG, was supposed to be from an unfinished feature that was never implemented. Funny how they made sure it grabbed your information and successfully transmitted it back to their servers.
They are going to get in a LOT of trouble for this. I can honestly see them getting heavily sued. Not only were they stealing personal information without consent but also using up your personal bandwidth and invading your private viewing habits.
My dad is one that I'm sure will be severely affected. He is getting older and growing intensely paranoid to do anything. He used to work for HP and now is petrified to go out doors half the time. He disables his WiFi just because he fears someone hacking his network. Unfortunately he just bought a new Smart LG TV like last year. Now he's going to be afraid to watch the damn TV.
Yea you can say, well just turn off the WiFi or unplug the Ethernet... but someone who is paranoid like him doesn't think like that. His response will be, well they'll just code it to automatically turn WiFi on in the middle of the night for 30 minutes or whatever, then turn it back off when its done scouring his files.
It seems trivial to most people but this seriously effects some. The fact that HP SPECIFICALLY coded these things to do these tasks is appalling. This is NOT a bug. When you enable the Privacy Settings, all it does it flag the information as "privacy enabled" yet still sends it.
Very scary stuff. LG stole your information and sold it to the highest bidder. This will and should be a lawsuit. Companies shouldn't be allowed to profit from unwilling customers, especially when they specifically opted out. The fact that it also scans your internal network is also a HUGE compromise, both security and privacy.
Horrible.
If you live in the states I do not understand why complain. Your government has been spying on you guys since day 1 you were born. There is no more privacy anywhere you go in the world now. Unless you live in one of those third world countries, but in that case you would not have smart tv because there would be no wifi and stuff.
The government has a track on everyone. The only way is to stop using phones, computers, tablets, anything that has access to location and internet. Anything that accesses an IP address...no way to hide from them. Like it or not, that's the world we live in.
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Uh boys.
This started popping up on my phone. Look at the screenshot icon. Any idea what this icon is on my G2.
It pops up like ever 20 seconds and flashes.
I just noticed it. Anyone else see it? I have to take a screen recording video and snip pics to catch it.
It's the door with the eye thing.
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Maybe this?
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player911 said:
Uh boys.
This started popping up on my phone. Look at the screenshot icon. Any idea what this icon is on my G2.
It pops up like ever 20 seconds and flashes.
I just noticed it. Anyone else see it? I have to take a screen recording video and snip pics to catch it.
It's the door with the eye thing.
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It's a built in spy software!
Seriously though, it's a gesture feature that you selected in settings. It detects your eyes and prevents the screen from turning off just before your screen time out.
Yea that's what it is. On the Verizon model, we have the traditional vertical settings menu and it doesn't have pictures.
I was testing the settings apk from the LG Flex and must've turned it on accidentally.
It was really starting to freak me out. That option doesn't work So well. It still times out.
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Per phones, have a look at LG MLT. It isn't even new, been years in the making. Almost every manufacturer has this type of software, hell, even carriers in some instances... cough... carrier iq.