[Q] Google's racism and favortism / Google Books APK - Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hello!
I own an Xperia Play and I am a resident of a country where even the google play store is not available.
But since phones arrive here pre-installed with software from whereever they are built, so I had an android market by default which recently forced me to update it to Google Play which too is working just fine. So unless I uninstall this on purpose Google Inc. can't do anything to deprive me of Google play.
But the thing is that there was no Google Play Books or Movies in the previous Android market hence I can't do anything to un-deprive me of them.
My questions are
1. Can anybody explain to me why is Google Inc. keeping these apps away from the international market when they are officially launching their phones there? I mean it doesn't make any sense to me. The stupidity is (at least that's what I believe, correct me if I am wrong) that if I fly to London, locate a WiFi hotspot, download these stores, and fly back; there is nothing in the power of Google to do anything about it, so what is it; racism? Besides without an app store a smartphone is as dull as a Nokia. Sorry Nokia.
2. Where can I find a list enlisting the countries where these app stores are available? Hurry I need to book a flight.
3. How do I talk to Google about this matter. I mean we have a website for Google play or Android Market but it displays the apps not any information about the store itself. In fact there is not even a dedicated Android website. There isn't even a place to download the official APK in case you need it, not even for those living in Google's favorite countries. Which brings me to next question.
4. How were you guys informed of the availability of these stores. I understand that the new phones had them pre-installed. But what about those like me except living in U.S. for instance. Did you guys get a notification? Or did you wake up one morning and realized that Google Books had miraculously installed? How was the experience?
5. And most importantly, can someone of you guys, possibly an Xperia Play user (just to make sure I get the right APK if they are hardware dependent) post his/her Books and Movies APK here or anywhere else and inform me of the location. There are a lot of APKs available out there but I worry that they have been altered by programmers to suit there own needs.
Please do reply in detail and as soon as possible.
Thank you for your time.

I think it's to do with media licencing.
The same reason that different games are available at different prices in different countries via steam, or not available at all in some countries.
Here in Australia I only have access to apps, games and books via Google Play. No music or movies.

Ahahaha, racism
But seriously, it has to do with licensing. If a company wants to sell things, they're not going to play favorites by not selling in certain countries.

it has nothing to do with racism.
it's completely about licensing, and I think looking at it from a business point of view would prove why.
India, having such a big population, simply means more sale/ greater sales area for google, so they wouldn't be ignoring you by any means.
honestly it would be your government that has a problem with google and is stopping google on some level.
just my opinion though, I believe it would be fairly close.
Have you tried modaco's xperia forum?
Hope this helped out

spiritofcat said:
I think it's to do with media licencing.
The same reason that different games are available at different prices in different countries via steam, or not available at all in some countries.
Here in Australia I only have access to apps, games and books via Google Play. No music or movies.
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voryzen said:
it has nothing to do with racism.
it's completely about licensing, and I think looking at it from a business point of view would prove why.
India, having such a big population, simply means more sale/ greater sales area for google, so they wouldn't be ignoring you by any means.
honestly it would be your government that has a problem with google and is stopping google on some level.
just my opinion though, I believe it would be fairly close.
Have you tried modaco's xperia forum?
Hope this helped out
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Ah, trust the Aussies to come in here and tell it like a Sir. Good to see.
Licensing is exactly the issue. It's whether Google's services contravene your home Country's laws and regulations for media distribution.
As these services are built for the US, it's only natural they get them all. It most definitely has nothing to do with racism, believe me if Google were allowed to collect data on every human being on the planet - they would.

And as for the apk files you can usr market enabler and set it to usa to download the apps from the play store or you can google for them.These apps are not hardware dependant.
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nerot said:
And as for the apk files you can usr market enabler and set it to usa to download the apps from the play store or you can google for them.These apps are not hardware dependant.
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Hello!
Thanks for the reply.
I know it isn't racism, it was just a way to get people reading.
But if it is about licensing then I believe they don't take that issue seriously either.
I am from the Middle East (not India), and they do launch phones here officially, I mean it isn't that they are imported here by some third party, and yet initially these phones have Android Market or Google Play (now) available on them. It gets deleted only when your phones get an official service here from the official service centers.
So, should I be hopeless about getting Google Books or Movies here, anytime soon?
Here's what I think is the case. They (Google) probably think that they don't have many customers in this region or any region besides Europe or America or Australia. And I need to get a word to them. That's why I inquired about a contact place or some sort of Google's website. I mean it's amazing that Google rules the internet but hasn't got its own website.
If it had to be about licensing, then how come I am able to buy e-books, for instance, on websites like Kobo, Amazon etc. Same goes for music and movies.
All I have to do is Pay. Like i said before if I go to London, download the Google Books or Movies, and get back; i can easily enjoy it here. All I have to do is pay through credit card, and generally a credit card has no boundaries. I mean nobody rejects your credit card in Moscow because it was issued in Luxembourg, or do they?
And secondly, can somebody of you guys (of course living in UK or USA) upload your APK of Google Books and Google Movies somewhere on the internet and make me aware of it. I think you can locate it using Astro.
Thanks.

Watch the attitude please

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Watch the attitude please
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Ah ................ What?

What he is trying to say, is you didn't need to post it twice. We know your frustrated and are powerless to do anything about it ourselves.
Maybe you would be better off taking this up with google instead?
Hope this helps
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Jack Shepard said:
Hello!
Thanks for the reply.
I know it isn't racism, it was just a way to get people reading.
But if it is about licensing then I believe they don't take that issue seriously either.
I am from the Middle East (not India), and they do launch phones here officially, I mean it isn't that they are imported here by some third party, and yet initially these phones have Android Market or Google Play (now) available on them. It gets deleted only when your phones get an official service here from the official service centers.
So, should I be hopeless about getting Google Books or Movies here, anytime soon?
Here's what I think is the case. They (Google) probably think that they don't have many customers in this region or any region besides Europe or America or Australia. And I need to get a word to them. That's why I inquired about a contact place or some sort of Google's website. I mean it's amazing that Google rules the internet but hasn't got its own website.
If it had to be about licensing, then how come I am able to buy e-books, for instance, on websites like Kobo, Amazon etc. Same goes for music and movies.
All I have to do is Pay. Like i said before if I go to London, download the Google Books or Movies, and get back; i can easily enjoy it here. All I have to do is pay through credit card, and generally a credit card has no boundaries. I mean nobody rejects your credit card in Moscow because it was issued in Luxembourg, or do they?
And secondly, can somebody of you guys (of course living in UK or USA) upload your APK of Google Books and Google Movies somewhere on the internet and make me aware of it. I think you can locate it using Astro.
Thanks.
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Google books and Google movies are built into the Google play store. If your government refuses to do what Google requires to allow them to use it then there is nothing g you can do. There are a few countries that like to control what is seen by its citizens. Take China for instance, they have complete control and Google market is not installed by default. If the play store is removed when you get am official update then that tells you it is a government thing and you need to talk to them about it.

Hungary: No music, or movies, not even books. Only Apps. Great!

Executioner1337 said:
Hungary: No music, or movies, not even books. Only Apps. Great!
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Same here in Serbia
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According to Google play stores free apps are available to users in any country with just books movies and paid apps being restricted due to licensing agreements and in certain countries also due to the government.
You can of course work around some restrictions, if you look in the apps section here at xda there are modified or patched free apps to help you do so such as most recently a modified market app.
Dave
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Same in Romania - only apps in Play (at the beginning only free apps were allowed but now we can buy without restriction).
But isn't racism, as others already pointed out. Is about copyright, licensing agreements or government censorship.
And this isn't restricted to Google Play. As an example - i couldn't buy RAGE from Steam (because wasn't available in Romania) but i bought a retail version at the store and i was able to use the key even on Steam. So, in other words, is about who and what can sell in a certain region. So, you can buy a book from London and read it in Middle East, as you say, because you own it. But you can't buy it in your country because of some stupid law in your country or because some producer/seller/editor have no interest in your country (again, not because of racism, but because they consider that the income won't justify the investment - in Romania we still can't buy games from PSN or play on PSN, even if Sony sell Playstation in Romania since Adam banged Eve).

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[Q] Access All Google Play Services from Anywhere in the World

Hollo dear developers,
I have a concern about accessing all Google Play Services from non authorized countries. I think it's a shame there are so many people in so many countries prevented from bying content on play store. Thought first of a petition, but not sure it can have effects. Had a look on xda, there is already a old thread on the subject but not working for most of the repliers, specially me.
Thought some developers would be interested in giving acces to a larger number of people. Looks like more justice to me.
I am mainly talking of book essentially, why not music and videos too... Giving ability to buy books, music, video worldwide... just to make sure I am understood...

[Q] Google Play Music Outside US

I really want to use the ''play from cloud'' feature, so I don't fill up my whole sd card with music.
If I use US Proxy to log in, and download the software, am I good to go without messing around with proxy/vpn anymore?
(Music app is international, no need to set up vpn on phone I think)
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binaryfalcon said:
I really want to use the ''play from cloud'' feature, so I don't fill up my whole sd card with music.
If I use US Proxy to log in, and download the software, am I good to go without messing around with proxy/vpn anymore?
(Music app is international, no need to set up vpn on phone I think)
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What country are you trying to use Google Music from? If you use a U.S. based proxy to download the Google Music Manager software and set it up you should be good to go and shouldn't need the proxy after everything has been initially setup. I would recommend checking out this guide on how to setup Google Music outside the U.S. http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/19/how-to-use-google-music-from-anywhere-yes-outside-of-the-unit/. Also Google has expanded its list of Google Music supported countries to include Australia, Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Portugal, Spain, and United Kingdom. Let me know if you still have questions.
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shimp208 said:
What country are you trying to use Google Music from? If you use a U.S. based proxy to download the Google Music Manager software and set it up you should be good to go and shouldn't need the proxy after everything has been initially setup. I would recommend checking out this guide on how to setup Google Music outside the U.S. http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/19/how-to-use-google-music-from-anywhere-yes-outside-of-the-unit/. Also Google has expanded its list of Google Music supported countries to include Australia, Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Portugal, Spain, and United Kingdom. Let me know if you still have questions.
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Alright, two more questions:
Is this legal? What I mean by that is this against google tos?
Also, using vpn/proxy to log in, is it safe to log in with my google account? Should I change password afterwards?
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binaryfalcon said:
Alright, two more questions:
Is this legal? What I mean by that is this against google tos?
Also, using vpn/proxy to log in, is it safe to log in with my google account? Should I change password afterwards?
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As far as legality is concerned I must disclaim that I am not a lawyer. Doing this is not illegal but it may violate Google's Terms of Service (I have no read the full Terms of Service) but they are unlikely do anything about it as many people who want to use Google Music outside the countries that are officially supported use this method. Regarding your question about is it safe to login with your Google account, there is always some amount of risk when using a proxy but overall you should be ok when using this method and shouldn't need to change your password after. You can change your password after if it makes you feel more secure, I always respect when people have privacy concerns . Also sorry for not getting back to you sooner I was out with my family for the day.
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As far as legality is concerned I must disclaim that I am not a lawyer. Doing this is not illegal but it may violate Google's Terms of Service (I have no read the full Terms of Service) but they are unlikely do anything about it as many people who want to use Google Music outside the countries that are officially supported use this method. Regarding your question about is it safe to login with your Google account, there is always some amount of risk when using a proxy but overall you should be ok when using this method and shouldn't need to change your password after. You can change your password after if it makes you feel more secure, I always respect when people have privacy concerns . Also sorry for not getting back to you sooner I was out with my family for the day.
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That's alright. I'm really unsure if I want to do this, I don't think security will be a very big problem (using https) + changing password before and after. Although will I be able to use google music on my phone without vpn? Can I upload music without proxy after this? Only thing keeping me away is if its against google tos
binaryfalcon said:
That's alright. I'm really unsure if I want to do this, I don't think security will be a very big problem (using https) + changing password before and after. Although will I be able to use google music on my phone without vpn? Can I upload music without proxy after this? Only thing keeping me away is if its against google tos
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Once you set this up then you don't have to worry about using the proxy anymore, and don't need to setup a proxy on your phone. Yes, you can upload music without the proxy after the proxy is just for initial setup. For the terms of service I just did a quick look and yes technically it does violate the Google terms of service for Play Services such as Google Music. The following quote is from the Google Play terms of service in the Music on Google Play section:
7. Music on Google Play
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Geographic Restrictions. The Music Locker Services and Music Products are currently available only in some countries. You agree that you will not present any false, inaccurate or misleading information in an effort to misrepresent yourself as a resident of a supported country, and you will not attempt to circumvent any restrictions on access to or availability of the Music Locker Services or Music Products.
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What country are you trying to access Google Play Music from?
shimp208 said:
Once you set this up then you don't have to worry about using the proxy anymore, and don't need to setup a proxy on your phone. Yes, you can upload music without the proxy after the proxy is just for initial setup. For the terms of service I just did a quick look and yes technically it does violate the Google terms of service for Play Services such as Google Music. The following quote is from the Google Play terms of service in the Music on Google Play section:
What country are you trying to access Google Play Music from?
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Norway,
and thanks a lot for taking a look in the TOS. I'm just afraid that the service will never come here. I think I will stay out if it, with the security issues and violating the tos. But thank you, this was really helpful.
shimp208 said:
Once you set this up then you don't have to worry about using the proxy anymore, and don't need to setup a proxy on your phone. Yes, you can upload music without the proxy after the proxy is just for initial setup. For the terms of service I just did a quick look and yes technically it does violate the Google terms of service for Play Services such as Google Music. The following quote is from the Google Play terms of service in the Music on Google Play section:
What country are you trying to access Google Play Music from?
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I was thinking.. If I were to take a trip to one of those countries Google Play Music is available, would I manage to ''unlock'' the service there? Also would it violate TOS then?
binaryfalcon said:
I was thinking.. If I were to take a trip to one of those countries Google Play Music is available, would I manage to ''unlock'' the service there? Also would it violate TOS then?
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If you singed into your Google account while connected to a internet network in one of those countries then yes it should unlock it and you should be able to use it. And that should not violate the Terms of Service as you would be in one the countries where the service is officially supported which is acceptable use :good:.
shimp208 said:
If you singed into your Google account while connected to a internet network in one of those countries then yes it should unlock it and you should be able to use it. And that should not violate the Terms of Service as you would be in one the countries where the service is officially supported which is acceptable use :good:.
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time to order flight tickets XD
I try the same too.
My brother are in USA, and he install teamviewer in his laptop, I connect to this laptop trought teamviewer and browse "http://play.google.com/music", and receive the message "Google Play Music are avaialable in certain countries...."
But... I try with other gmail account and works... then... I dont understand why not works with my first gmail account :S
I live in the Philippines (Asia)
Google Play is limited to Apps & Books in my country (as you guys know unlike iTunes you cannot change your country w/ your Google Account)
So I have been using an old Google Apps account (admin'd by my friend) + strongVPN + Entropay credit card -- yesterday 6-Feb-2014 I suddenly lost access to Play Music even w/ VPN on. I contacted my friend and he did not do anything to our Google Apps account. So it seems Google switched us to Asia/Philippines (?). I cleared payment methods on this and logged out.
I connected to VPN (USA server) on my device, created a new google account, and I got access back but now, when I add an Entropay VCC it is not working. I get an error and the transaction is canceled - I have tried the MSFT zip code trick, the Entropay zip code trick and both are not working
So right now I am stumped. I can upload music & stream to iOS/Android via the Play Music App but cannot purchase content.

[Q]Any legal ways to recieve money not through in-app billing

I live in a country that can't register a google merchant account. I have some free ad-suported apps, but I want to make an ad-free pad version.
I see two ways:
- a paypal donation for ad removing (but I read that it isn't legal and my accoutn can be banned)
- a link in my application to my website to buy a Pro add-free version (not everyone will install an .apk from some website)
Any other legal way to recieve money from users for removing ads?
Don't mess with z google!
artouiros said:
I live in a country that can't register a google merchant account. I have some free ad-supported apps, but I want to make an ad-free pad version.
I see two ways:
- a paypal donation for ad removing (but I read that it isn't legal and my accoutn can be banned)
- a link in my application to my website to buy a Pro add-free version (not everyone will install an .apk from some website)
Any other legal way to recieve money from users for removing ads?
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I think the google terms of service basically forbids you from monetizing a paid version without going through them. I wouldn't try to work around this problem. Don't mess with google. I have an account that is still banned from Ad Words because some friends (6 years ago) started clicking like crazy on all of the banners on my website. So, don't try to do anything subversive, it won't pay off.
So, your real problem is to get a google merchant account. That really sucks that your country isn't able to get one. Is there any person or company out there maybe that could be a go-between from another country that can have a merchant account? I really don't see any other safe solution. Good Luck anyway!
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I live in a country that can't register a google merchant account. I have some free ad-suported apps, but I want to make an ad-free pad version.
I see two ways:
- a paypal donation for ad removing (but I read that it isn't legal and my accoutn can be banned)
- a link in my application to my website to buy a Pro add-free version (not everyone will install an .apk from some website)
Any other legal way to recieve money from users for removing ads?
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I have some problem few months ago, however it's no longer a problem because few week later, i receive a notif with a good news that my country are supported so i can create a google merchant account.
But before, I also did some thinking on how to work around it, yet, can't find any way to do that which doesn't break google policy.
I can't suggest any way beside waiting and hoping that your country will soon supported by google (not useful enough, eh ?), who knows ?
Some idea come to mind though, if you ask someone from other country which supported by google, who kind enough to make a google merchant account for you, so you can access it Iater from your country when the account has already been made, I don't know if it works, anybody try something like this before ?

Accessibility being forced removed.

I don't know if people already saw this... If didn't, it worths the time spent reading now:
Google will remove Play Store apps that use Accessibility Services for anything except helping disabled users:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/1...vices-anything-except-helping-disabled-users/
I need to know if Greenfy developer will "fork" the app and host an unmodified version outside the Play Store to us. I mean, a version with accessibility function (with the donation app at Play Store nothing would change to Greenify's Dev, except having to upload the version with accessibility to APKMIRROR for example). I'm not rooted and without accessibility the app is useless.
I'm so pissed of that, for real, if the people from Google behind this decision was brave enough to identify him/herself by real name instead of Google brand I would beat the sh*t out of them. For real. For me it is like Google going "Oh, you are having a great experience at your device today? Your bad, I'll remove functions from your phone, that will make it worse and I don't care about your opinion"
I think it is time to ask refunds from anything related to Google that I spent money on because it is becoming the same d-bag as Apple. Couple years from now and I'm not be surprised with Android being so restricted as IOS...
Veronezzi said:
I don't know if people already saw this... If didn't, it worths the time spent reading now:
Google will remove Play Store apps that use Accessibility Services for anything except helping disabled users:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/1...vices-anything-except-helping-disabled-users/
I need to know if Greenfy developer will "fork" the app and host an unmodified version outside the Play Store to us. I mean, a version with accessibility function (with the donation app at Play Store nothing would change to Greenify's Dev, except having to upload the version with accessibility to APKMIRROR for example). I'm not rooted and without accessibility the app is useless.
I'm so pissed of that, for real, if the people from Google behind this decision was brave enough to identify him/herself by real name instead of Google brand I would beat the sh*t out of them. For real. For me it is like Google going "Oh, you are having a great experience at your device today? Your bad, I'll remove functions from your phone, that will make it worse and I don't care about your opinion"
I think it is time to ask refunds from anything related to Google that I spent money on because it is becoming the same d-bag as Apple. Couple years from now and I'm not be surprised with Android being so restricted as IOS...
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I am sure the developer of Greenify and many other apps will be considering options once Google's intentions become clear.

Could anyone help me change the app package name?

Hi. I live in Korea and um... I live in a country that is quite tight to use Google services.
In South Korea, some Google services are restricted due to North Korean provocations and security reasons.
Representative examples are Google Maps and Google Earth. Google Maps has been updated in 2014, and Google Earth is not being serviced in Korea.
I need to use Google Earth, but even if I install Earth with my US account, it automatically detects this and the Android OS automatically deletes it.
So, it turns out that the Android OS automatically detects the package name and automatically deletes it when it is used in Korea, but the Google Earth package name has not been changed. Anyone can help?
rockybear said:
Hi. I live in Korea and um... I live in a country that is quite tight to use Google services.
In South Korea, some Google services are restricted due to North Korean provocations and security reasons.
Representative examples are Google Maps and Google Earth. Google Maps has been updated in 2014, and Google Earth is not being serviced in Korea.
I need to use Google Earth, but even if I install Earth with my US account, it automatically detects this and the Android OS automatically deletes it.
So, it turns out that the Android OS automatically detects the package name and automatically deletes it when it is used in Korea, but the Google Earth package name has not been changed. Anyone can help?
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Your OS deletes them automatically?
I don't think you can change the package name that easily.
You could download the apk and reverse engineer it, then change the package name and rebuild your app.
But that isn't legal i guess...
Maybe you could try to find that app which automatically deletes your google earth app. Maybe you can trick this one somehow.
If you can use your webbrowser as well, you could also use the web version of google earth.
If it's restricted you could use a free non-logging vpn like e.g. protonvpn.
If your government, however, doesn't what you to access such things, they may take legal actions against you, since your internet service provider sees if you connect to a vpn (but not, what you access from within this vpn).
rockybear said:
I need to use Google Earth, but even if I install Earth with my US account, it automatically detects this and the Android OS automatically deletes it.
So, it turns out that the Android OS automatically detects the package name and automatically deletes it when it is used in Korea, but the Google Earth package name has not been changed.
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Android OS is an operating system, it therefore only processes instructions, but never does the latter by itself.
jwoegerbauer said:
Android OS is an operating system, it therefore only processes instructions, but never does the latter by itself.
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You are right. But I guess he wanted to say, that something (a script, app, etc) is automatically deleting it.
Then OP should should be clear: I am not a clairvoyant as you might be.
jwoegerbauer said:
Then OP should should be clear: I am not a clairvoyant as you might be.
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Well, people don't always know it better so they describe it in the best way they can.
And besides: I actually studied the art of clairvoyants – but since there's no way you could know that I assume you are one too
To stay on topic: It's a good idea to help people to understand things like that, which is why I appreciate your clarification about what the Android OS actually is!
OP knows that usage of Google Maps - with regards to South Korean maps - is refused in South Korea. Wondering why he instead doesn't make use of Naver Maps for his/her day-to-day navigations.
jwoegerbauer said:
OP knows that usage of Google Maps - with regards to South Korean maps - is refused in South Korea. Wondering why he instead doesn't make use of Naver Maps for his/her day-to-day navigations.
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I don't know. But his main concern is google earth, which is quite different compared to google maps.
I know that the 2 apps are completely different ones, serve different purpose.
OP surely also knows that usage of Google Earth is denied in South Korea.
OP should know that Google Earth is copyrighted by Google and not open source what freely can be modified - that's valid for its APK too.
Therefore, in my opinion, it is a violation of the XDA-forum rules to point out here how one might have to change Google Earth APK - means re-master it - that it is also executable in South Korea.
BTW: Google Earth's APK's AndroidManifest.xml comes as compressed. Google know what to do to avoid hacking.
jwoegerbauer said:
BTW: Google Earth's APK's AndroidManifest.xml comes as compressed. Google know what to do to avoid hacking.
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Isn't that always/often the case and should be easy revertable?
However, that would be another question and I must admit your right.

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