My question is of a serious nature.Even though Im not exactly new here I am new to the Rezound section.I noticed earlier that a thread I was reading was shut down.It was shutdown mid-read and i have a question about that.
It seems that one person whined about dmeadows asking for donations not for himself but for another awesome developer who has the ability to bring something everybody wants but nobody else has the ability to deliver including the gentleman who got the thread shut down.
Maybe a Mod can help me understand the rules.As long as xda has existed these sorts of "Help a Dev help us" threads have existed and were perfectly ok.See Here:
http://www.google.com/cse?q=bounty+...59-1#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=bounty thread&gsc.page=1
But one thread gets closed down because someone who is a well known donation hound complains because they arent getting the attention and/or donations.If you are going to apply your gestapo tactic rules to one apply them to all,not just when your buddy complains to you about it in a pm.Im genuinely confused about this.I read and reread the rules and dont understand where it says this is acceptable behavior.
that whole situation reminds me and hopefully reminds the one who's allowed themselves to be intimidated to "practice before you preach"
I'm not really sure whats going on around here recently... people are acting all sorts of edgy in Rezound land. All I can say is - WOW. I'm starting to think humanity is devolving quickly.
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or is the correct word de-evolving??
As I said in another thread:
The donations for Protekk were merely made to purchase him a Rezound, with this Rezound he could work on the RIL. NOT AOSP/AOKP Roms. What he does after is his choice.
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I believe I may have made a mistake myself and posted in the wrong section.Please feel free to move this or even delete it after I get an answer.
I completely agree. all were willing to contribute to a cause. can't get progress going without the device.also just because there's unfinished projects doesn't mean someone deserves to be put on the spot like that.
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I completely agree. all were willing to contribute to a cause. can't get progress going without the device.also just because there's unfinished projects doesn't mean someone deserves to be put on the spot like that.
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Agree wholeheartedly.
the overall point is to be a team and help each other not go after someone which is clearly a rule they broke themselves. breaking one rule to publicly point out another rule which is still questionable broken or not is not why we're here. this behavior needs to stop and we need to be a team if we are going to make goals happen
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the overall point is to be a team and help each other not go after someone which is clearly a rule they broke themselves. breaking one rule to publicly point out another rule which is still questionable broken or not is not why we're here. this behavior needs to stop and we need to be a team if we are going to make goals happen
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You are absolutely right.What I fail to understand is that prior to this incident there was a gazillion and one Bounty threads dating back to the beginnings of Android threads here on XDA and there wasn't any issue with it till someone got jealous.I think it just violates to the core everything Android is supposed to be about when someone gets their panties in a wad over pure jealousy.
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You are absolutely right.What I fail to understand is that prior to this incident there was a gazillion and one Bounty threads dating back to the beginnings of Android threads here on XDA and there wasn't any issue with it till someone got jealous.I think it just violates to the core everything Android is supposed to be about when someone gets their panties in a wad over pure jealousy.
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I'm sure if the bounty was for Cyanogen, this would be a different scenario.
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bob24260 said:
You are absolutely right.What I fail to understand is that prior to this incident there was a gazillion and one Bounty threads dating back to the beginnings of Android threads here on XDA.I think it just violates to the core everything Android is supposed to be about when someone gets their panties in a wad over pure jealousy.
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It does. It was a move that is similar to Apple trying to stomp out competition by patent trolling. And believe me, that particular developer has just lost a lot of respect from the community. I for one have no problems saying publicly that I don't condone that behavior, nor will I support developers who engage in that kind of activity.
I believe the problem was the phone was purchased and the thread wasn't closed. And there were references that people should donate some extra cash to protekk
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I believe the problem was the phone was purchased and the thread wasn't closed. And there were references that people should donate some extra cash to protekk
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ok well this could have been it. but there are other ways to go around this. one is if you just click the report button and tell the mod that he received the phone and that it should be closed.
what they did was go in and flame the $h|T out of Dmeadows, when all they had to do was suggest to him that he needs to contact the mods to close it.
this is why i wont post stuff on xda anymore. it seems like there are more people out to flame then just help. most of the people just jumped on the ban wagon when a dev was involved. all the dev had to do was pm meadows and that would have been it. but he just wanted to post so everyone can see how much of a BA he was. that is not needed at all.
Wow. I just saw the thread with the people involved. Shocked at who it was and what they said.
A simple PM wouldve helped. When you come out your face like that you lose really quick.
Ijs, d helped us get joelz here and joelz work has helped the complainer and others out and im sure prot would done the same . Its messed up really, and i can see what people mean with how the community is going down, especially when the devs are part of it too, smh. Lol crazy.
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ok well this could have been it. but there are other ways to go around this. one is if you just click the report button and tell the mod that he received the phone and that it should be closed.
what they did was go in and flame the $h|T out of Dmeadows, when all they had to do was suggest to him that he needs to contact the mods to close it.
this is why i wont post stuff on xda anymore. it seems like there are more people out to flame then just help. most of the people just jumped on the ban wagon when a dev was involved. all the dev had to do was pm meadows and that would have been it. but he just wanted to post so everyone can see how much of a BA he was. that is not needed at all.
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i really dont know what to do on here but i guess i jumped on the bandwagon and i apologize for that im not to familiar with the rules.i think that scott has lost a lot of respect from the rezound community
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I believe the problem was the phone was purchased and the thread wasn't closed. And there were references that people should donate some extra cash to protekk
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I understand what you're saying there and I partially agree but the part I am most agitated about and have a hard time understanding is the fact that one person is being told they are breaking the rules by asking for something that doesn't yet exist,but that same thing he is getting ripped on for has occurred over and over since Androids beginnings on XDA but it was never made an issue of before and allowed to happen by mods and administration alike.But when one person who out of pure jealousy makes an issue out of it,the rule is then enforced.
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SO glad that people see that a simple PM would have been a better choice. You guys give me hope that XDA can be fixed.
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Flaming doesnt get us anywhere. Plus D was trying to do a good thing for the community. HE got the ball rolling on getting the correct people involved and bringing more options and development to our phones.
I dont want to add anymore and i know im breaking a rule by attacking one individual. This should note be considered a flame, but as an inspiration to RELAX. We are all trying to achieve one goal.
who complained? was it markus?
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SO glad that people see that a simple PM would have been a better choice. You guys give me hope that XDA can be fixed.
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I dont' think XDA is the real problem... its just a few bad attitudes in here. XDA has the largest user base, meaning there's a larger pool of potential trouble-makers. It does surely get annoying from time to time, but if everybody on XDA simply moved to another forum, the same drama would likely just follow the users...
I'm not really sure there is a solution, except for ignoring the trouble makers..
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Nah, just check the get protekk a rezound thread and you'll see.
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As title says did i miss something?? Is it all the noob questions? or the constant same question asking or maybe Devs stepping it up a notch in competition between themselves I just remember the old eris days not being like this
Chingys gone
Team Bamfs gone
Virus is gone
idk i came from a htc inspire on att that had any rom u can possibly name to the thunderbolt which is dying slowly
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As title says did i miss something?? Is it all the noob questions? or the constant same question asking or maybe Devs stepping it up a notch in competition between themselves I just remember the old eris days not being like this
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perhaps because a lot of people make threads without doing the proper research??
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perhaps because a lot of people make threads without doing the proper research??
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Like that won't happen when Rootzwiki is bigger?
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perhaps because a lot of people make threads without doing the proper research??
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Yes this is the reason, devs are starting to resent each other because noobs are doing what they always have. Genius.
Devs love to dev. If they don't do it here, you can find them by doing a little searching. The problem is like any work place, organization, etc.....basically anywhere people are involved with other people everything gets ****ing political.
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idk i came from a htc inspire on att that had any rom u can possibly name to the thunderbolt which is dying slowly
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troll attempt is pathetic...
its great the devs want to leave because they are open to make their own rules. they are mad that admins arent doing their job and getting pissed off and packing their bags. now, they are making their own sites and are going to tear noobs a new one every time something is asked. so therefore, the users are going to leave.
nothing will last without users, these developers do great work but when users leave so do donations and people willing to try their roms out.
Maybe the famous enough that they don't need xda anymore lol, who knows man you will get some either way, developers come and go, life changes all the time, you notice more if your a flashaholic like I used to be I got tired of flashing more then on ROM at day so I enjoy life more and actually use my phone more often pics look great on this phone BTW
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I just realized that this thread is titled, "why IS so many devs." lol good one
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its great the devs want to leave because they are open to make their own rules. they are mad that admins arent doing their job and getting pissed off and packing their bags. now, they are making their own sites and are going to tear noobs a new one every time something is asked. so therefore, the users are going to leave.
nothing will last without users, these developers do great work but when users leave so do donations and people willing to try their roms out.
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You act like the developers need users, when it fact, it's the other way around lol. Developers first and foremost develop for themselves and then later share what they made with the world. No Rom developer is getting rich off this, it's a hobby.
There's a reason you dont see developers asking where the users are, but you see plenty of threads from users asking that question.
Users will go where the developers are or they wont get their work.
Devs are probably sick of all the useless comments people post that are useless. The flaming and so on...
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If developers wish to leave xda wishes them the best of luck, thread closed.
ok here is a heads up how bounty works .
you dont donate up front you put your name in with the amount and once it reaches the amount needed IF the DEV still wants in at that time well THEN and THEN only everyone pays .
I have seen and heard way too many devs get paid for nothing , while the best of them struggles to get new devices .
Its way to easy to have your friends/fans open bounty for you .
I am not pointing fingers at anyone (I am sorry if you feel the hats fits you ) and I will not entertain any arguments with anyone in this thread
and I vote to sticky this !
Sticky this anyone ?
ok guys i successfully have gotten a few devs devices on the skyrocket thread feel free to look at the threads i started by looking at my thread posts.... Ive created Johnsondr80 one a few months back and he was one of the first i got a device for and he helps the skyrocket community alot.... I propose you guys consolidate donations into one thread just look at what i have done its called a [DONATION ROTATION] thread if u have questions ask as i read rules on the matter and have mastered it... as well it helps if the devs make a chip in so everyone knows the donations go straight to them
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ok guys i successfully have gotten a few devs devices on the skyrocket thread feel free to look at the threads i started by looking at my thread posts.... Ive created Johnsondr80 one a few months back and he was one of the first i got a device for and he helps the skyrocket community alot.... I propose you guys consolidate donations into one thread just look at what i have done its called a [DONATION ROTATION] thread if u have questions ask as i read rules on the mtter nd have mastered it as well it helps if the devs make a chip me so everyone knows the donations go straight to them
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The goal is to avoid money going left and right if you recall I was interested in your thread but I stepped back when you asked me to make a chipin page because money gets spread thin .
I believe the only proper way is the same way the t-mobile bounty was made .
Gather up ppl ready to give money then , point it all at ONE dev with a poll if needed . otherwise money goes left and right and you never know who really buys the device .
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The goal is to avoid money going left and right if you recall I was interested in your thread but I stepped back when you asked me to make a chipin page because money gets spread thin .
I believe the only proper way is the same way the t-mobile bounty was made .
Gather up ppl ready to give money then , point it all at ONE dev with a poll if needed . otherwise money goes left and right and you never know who really buys the device .
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understand what you are saying... but i did successfully get 3 devs devices though and i did want you on the skyrocket thread coulda been number 4 as Canadians love you ! and they all contributed may i add
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understand what you are saying... but i did successfully get 3 devs devices though and i did want you on the skyrocket thread coulda been number 4 as Canadians love you !
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Yes your way is good , but again one dev at a time is the way to go then if for example it takes too long for a dev and he buys another phone . there is always another one ready .
for example we have braway working BLIND ( cough cough) on our phone waitign for ppl to help him get one since day one , not asking for asingle donation , he s also the source of all the roms here since he made CWM .
but we see money going separate ways for flavored roms .
Where do these "rules" come from? Didn't know you were a mod. Saw you close down a great devs bounty page. Good to know you got scared by competition
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Oh and building roms blind don't yield the best result not that yours are bbetter with device.
Holy hell a Dev worth while was getting donated to, its a good thing you were here to let us all know how prissy "some" people are. Pretty pathetic there Dag.
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Where do these "rules" come from? Didn't know you were a mod. Saw you close down a great devs bounty page. Good to know you got scared by competition
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what rules ?
XDA rules ? read them . posting here off topic is breaking one of them btw....
I do not make them nor do I choose which get shut down , if a thread got shut down it s because it wasnt legit according to XDA not according to me .
this thread 's goal right here is so users dont give money left and right . Many users got burned already and in the end the community suffers .
We can all get together and finance great dev for coming here , I ve freely given donations many times already and will do it again .
I do not have a facebook page , I do not ask for users to buy me devices I do not make chipin pages , I own only one device ( the other one is almost 2 yrs old) I do customize the phone for my need and share with the community , some users help me some users donate , some users join me .
Some devs hate me ? sad story .
but what is your point ? if it s OT again please dont bother ./
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Holy hell a Dev worth while was getting donated to, its a good thing you were here to let us all know how prissy "some" people are. Pretty pathetic there Dag.
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ok lol so now all the t989 guys gonna come here and post to cry , what is pathetic of me exactly ?
there is a ' dev only section' for him to post there is pm and there is chat link on my sig if anyone wants to talk .. Im an open book .
please read my previous answer and stop hijacking thx
I coudl post here all that was said for what ?
Hahaha you're pathetic bud. Glad you made that more obvious for us. I'm out
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Where do these "rules" come from? Didn't know you were a mod. Saw you close down a great devs bounty page. Good to know you got scared by competition
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Oh and building roms blind don't yield the best result not that yours are bbetter with device.
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Good job on trying to protect your image as thebest dev on the note. Didn't know fear could make people stoop so low. I feel sorry for you. And now I leave you to yourself.
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Holy hell a Dev worth while was getting donated to, its a good thing you were here to let us all know how prissy "some" people are. Pretty pathetic there Dag.
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Good job on trying to protect your image as thebest dev on the note. Didn't know fear could make people stoop so low. I feel sorry for you. And now I leave you to yourself.
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thx for the compliment but Im not remotely close to being the best dev here on the note .
I can't blame a dev if they wanna leave the T989... phone is great but the forum is drama.
Compare it to skyrocket. Same device almost, completely different attitude. Not daily flame wars from impatient end users
Edit: it would be great to have m&s on the i717 & tdj as well... And think how much more peaceful it would be for them here. Whitehawkx would be great Dan Brutal too. And they would be appreciated instead of maybe being sorry they bought the T989
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Yes your way is good , but again one dev at a time is the way to go then if for example it takes too long for a dev and he buys another phone . there is always another one ready .
for example we have braway working BLIND ( cough cough) on our phone waitign for ppl to help him get one since day one , not asking for asingle donation , he s also the source of all the roms here since he made CWM .
but we see money going separate ways for flavored roms .
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i agree braway needs one i would definitely donate if he committed to a touch recovery
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i agree braway needs one i would definitely donate if he committed to a touch recovery
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hes already wokrign on something else for us .
Im going to go against the horde here and say this. Until you start pumping it useful stuff to our phones how about people not piss off the people who are actually making this device move forward. You want another dev to have this phone go ahead. But don't knock those who are giving what they have done... I bet every tool here that just went against him is using a part of a script compiled by him.... Point your finger in the unclear.... Point your finger in the mirror...
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Im going to go against the horde here and say this. Until you start pumping it useful stuff to our phones how about people not piss off the people who are actually making this device move forward. You want another dev to have this phone go ahead. But don't knock those who are giving what they have done... I bet every tool here that just went against him is using a part of a script compiled by him.... Point your finger in the unclear.... Point your finger in the mirror...
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ok i am not up on thos highschool drama going on butt...edit this bro, cant understand a lick
I only pay for results.
What happened to the good old days when devs bought phones instead of begging for handouts? Its one thing for everyone to gather money for the cyanogen or miui team for a port but for another flavor of our existing roms? I'm more interested in donating to a dev that can build an ics kernel.
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I think the point is that we have had some developers working hard already. One of them brought us recovery without even having the phone, and he still doesn't have the phone. Nor has he been given enough in donations to buy this phone.
And now we have a number of developers showing up looking for donations to buy this phone to develop on. It seems to me to be insulting to start throwing money at individuals who haven't done anything yet vs those that have already worked hard.
Then again, everyone has the right to give money to who they want.
I really don't understand why people posting on a forum have to get downright rude because they don't agree with someone.
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If that's how the t989 users act, I'm glad I purchased the Note. You're doing great Dag and don't let these kids get you down!
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...I really don't understand why people posting on a forum have to get downright rude because they don't agree with someone.
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+1 to this comment.
I Got my Note launch day & soon found a community that in a brief time offered me root, an OC kernal, CWM, and now 3 different ROM's that I didn't ask for or up-front pay for. That established pretty clearly that people here are doing things for others (I would be the one of the others- I have contributed now to several).
I can understand that we bring our own baggage and attitude with us when we (anyone) read(s) these forums. Please, if it sounds like a post is disingenuous, discrediting, slighting, or unflattering to someone, seek clarification before you let your attitude, especially if it's negative, run amok. It isn't necessarily how you perceived it & such vitriolic spewing can be downright poisonous to the community.
You may have a point, and it may be good for all of us to hear it, but the golden rule can't hurt, eh? Civility is an option.
As far as the thread is concerned, I think some planning and caution when it comes to donations to bring others on board is wise, so discussion about that structure is a good thing- this is a ripe field for trolls and scammers. Thanks DAGr8 for trying to set this conversation rolling.
So we have S-Off now. Therefore, there are no excuses not to be supported in Cyanogen minus the source code and Offical OTA of the ICS update. Am I correct? Miui, Cyanogen, and AOSP/AOKP . I hope the ball starts rolling because I'm estatic!!! Post in and tell me the truth and your opinion.
The ball has been rolling. S-Off has nothing to do with AOSP/AOKP. DMeadows and I'm sure others has been working on a Cyanogenmod port for some time now. Protekk recently joined the quest as well. Read up in the dev section
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So we have S-Off now. Therefore, there are no excuses not to be supported in Cyanogen minus the source code and Offical OTA of the ICS update. Am I correct? Miui, Cyanogen, and AOSP/AOKP . I hope the ball starts rolling because I'm estatic!!! Post in and tell me the truth and your opinion.
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s-off doesn't mean AOSP, MIUI, etc.
As stated about a thousand times before the RIL, which is what is holding us back, is not going to be any easier to get with s-off.
EDIT: Damnit, got Ninja'd
why do people keep saying that s-off gets us asop? Who started that rumor lol!
S-Off = Hboot fully unlocked.
Aosp/Aokp = RIL source needed, not S-Off.
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why do people keep saying that s-off gets us asop? Who started that rummer lol!
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*Rumor
I thought s-off installed aosp+ and the ril-amajigger.
I kid.
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Where's markus?
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Where's markus?
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He disappeared as soon as the 2 things he was complaining about not having were actually happening,coincidence? I think not
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He disappeared as soon as the 2 things he was complaining about not having were actually happening,coincidence? I think not
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pretty sure he was forced into the rezound witness protection program and is under a new assumed alias, lol
*sigh*
I think my question may have been worded incompletely/wrong. What I'm asking is, since we have S-Off, won't people like cyanogen be MORE likely to support us since you wont have to flash hboots and what have you to change roms and radios and such? I understood the whole RIL problem holding AOSP back a long time ago. I'm talking about "Official" support.
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I think my question may have been worded incompletely/wrong. What I'm asking is, since we have S-Off, won't people like cyanogen be MORE likely to support us since you wont have to flash hboots and what have you to change roms and radios and such? I understood the whole RIL problem holding AOSP back a long time ago. I'm talking about "Official" support.
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Its Def not going to hurt $50 phone and now S-OFF should bring a few developers.
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By the way... please save all the comments trying to make it seem as though I never read this forum. I do. I'm not a developer and I only understand so much of what it means to achieve things. I'm new to HTC. Motorola was much simplier to flash things, so this dev unlock and s-off stuff is all new to me. Do I get it? yes. Has it taken a while? Yes. Do I understand why the RIL is the bottleneck... only that I know whats needed to fix it is in the offical source that we don't currently have so it can have the right files and commands. So seriously, please stop the *sigh*, "We've covered this one thousand million times", "Omg not this again" comments. I'm a mature adult. I'd like to talk to some who are also.
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im sure he made a new account and is still among us
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By the way... please save all the comments trying to make it seem as though I never read this forum. I do. I'm not a developer and I only understand so much of what it means to achieve things. I'm new to HTC. Motorola was much simplier to flash things, so this dev unlock and s-off stuff is all new to me. Do I get it? yes. Has it taken a while? Yes. Do I understand why the RIL is the bottleneck... only that I know whats needed to fix it is in the offical source that we don't currently have so it can have the right files and commands. So seriously, please stop the *sigh*, "We've covered this one thousand million times", "Omg not this again" comments. I'm a mature adult. I'd like to talk to some who are also.
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what do you expect from us when someone with 8 posts, asks a question incorrectly? We can't guess what you intended to say, and we had every right to be annoyed with what you posted as your original post has been asked "about a million times."
I also take personal insult from the fact you are referring to me as immature as you tried to quote me there, when you are the one who can't even articulate a question to ask what you "claim" you intended to say.
Good day!
I don't think the s off is going to bring any devs that wouldn't have taken on the project while it was s on. Most of the devs who walked away from the rezound early on did so because early on the user base was rude, demanding, appreciative, and many were unintelligent and appreciative.
It has improved, there's a lot of really respectful and brilliant rezound users, and there's a lot of great devs among us, but as a whole, maybe due to the marketing of such nice hardware being based on "beats" there's still a lot of drama and unneeded crap being stirred up by a few bad apples.
The aosp ball started rolling last week again with protekk deciding to take on RIL, and others will also contribute to the effort.
S-off is greatly appreciated by me and a huge help to the community as a whole. But it's definitely not what was holding up AOSP in my opinion. I don't know any devs who would be asked to help out on the RIL by a friend of theirs and would say "no way I'm touching that because that phone is s on with an oem unlocked bootloader.
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Not to be pessimistic, but do you mean unappreciative?
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Seems protekk is hard at work for us according to his twitter.
Nosympathy: Please do not take it as a personal insult. I do appreciate all the devs on here and I know that there are surely some who are not mentioned anywhere on the the forum who deserve praise. My problem is that there is no reason to post if all you're going to do is put down the question. If you have a problem answering the question... just don't answer it. A non constructive answer... is no answer at all. I've read thread after thread where unknowing people ask questions about things that only people who read this forum constantly know. Is the information somewhere in the depths of this forum... yeah I'm sure its tucked away somewhere, but you know what? Sometimes its just easier to ask, so please don't take it personal, just let someone else answer if you don't want to answer it. I'm not referring to any particular person. Quite honestly, I'm tired of seeing threads where 3/4 of the posts are this nonsense bashing people about something already posted somewhere else. Isn't that what the moderators are for? Yeah. I'm not gonna sit here and get flamed for an honest question, and getting your panties in a wad because you don't like me quoting you in response to your reply that didn't help anything at all...
I do appreciate ALL whom have made even the slightest contribution to this phone. However, it doesn't make you mightier than God, nor does it give you a right to blow smoke over everyone.
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A bar of soap in a sock for Private Pile.
dsb9938 does some great work. As a (non-Android) developer myself, I know how frustrating it can be when software issues arise, especially when you have ungrateful users that feel like they are entitled to a piece of software that is developed for free by someone in their spare time that asks for nothing in return. It's disgusting. This is why we can't have nice things.
I hope that dsb9938 decides to come back. We need people like him to help unlock our devices full potential. Screw the whiners. Let them be drown in their own misery.
I agree with you... But this thread is getting locked in 3-2-1 BOOM!
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I was really dissapointed when I see closing threads of DSB. I was using his great kernel. He made so much for us... WTF. I missed a lot. Is there anything we can do to deal somehow the issue with this lurke69 ??
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Melodycd said:
I was really dissapointed when I see closing threads of DSB. I was using his great kernel. He made so much for us... WTF. I missed a lot. Is there anything we can do to deal somehow the issue with this lurke69 ??
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His account us temporarily disabled but he could probably make a new one or something since its not IP banning
Ban him. Pure and simple
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Brilliant guys.. at least get the guys name correct..Lol
If you can't handle the heat get out of the "kitchen".....
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So there is no thread for *****ing so I am making myself one. I absolutely hate to no end that a couple of douchefags can ruin a good thing for everyone. One such big douchebag is that retard Luke666. How can he go in and start *****ing to a good dev like DSB who is doing so much good work for little to nothing or free. I am absolutely pissed of the outcome of the situation but I respect DSB's decision to move away from the jumpsuit and hope one day he can change his mind. I am from the rezound forums which had so much bull**** go on. I wish everyone that wants to run thier mouth would just scream at theirselfs in the mirror or bang their head on a door frame its all just BS but ok then we cant all get what we want. If a mod can close this thread as not to cause I flame war it would be great I just needed to get this off my chest. I hope everyone, well everyone but Luke667 had a Merry Christmas and has a Happy New Year
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And this comment makes you better than Luke 666 or Luke 667 or Luke1333? This is the issue with xda members. If you don't have something good to help the situation out don't say anything. Name calling isn't the answer.
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If you can't handle the heat get out of the "kitchen".....
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This is in no way helpful
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This looks like the Rezound forum all over again. Sigh...
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This looks like the Rezound forum all over again. Sigh...
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kids who read GPL and think they are owed, and DESERVE something. people like DSB do it in his free time, and people expect paid support.
that is what this is.
All i have to say about all of this is. Anyone should be able to say there opinion. That is in a good way. If you are just writing a post to piss someone off i believe that you should be banned from the forums. No ifs, and's, or buts.
It is ridiculous anyone would grip about a mod that clearly starts off with the phrase "I am in no way responsible..." I haven't even switched from the stock rom just because I want things to work. If I was willing to explore and felt like reloading my setup to switch roms, I wouldn't *****. It is to be expected. When a new rom is released, I wait to see what the issues (if any) are before I would attempt a re-flash.
There are good devs on this board but I have seen quite a few of them get chased away by whiners and complainers. Hell, I am still using a rom from Roebeet on my GTab who used to be here but left for the same reason. He actually started his own website to build roms. It is a hobby, not a job. Don't expect stuff and you will not be disappointed.
Just remember, a lot of these whiners are the new generation who will be running this country in a few years and making it suck for all of us.
So I just picked up my replacement DNA last night and it just hit me. How am I going to unlock and root without the unsecured kernel? Or anybody else for that matter. This is bigger than first imagined if only very early adopters have root. Wow this sucks bad.
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While Luke's comments weren't "productive" , they also were not rude or ban worthy. While I enjoy dsb's work, he has a bad attitude in general and I thought it was disrespectful as well as made him look like a giant cry baby for saying he'd never release anything else because Luke asked him to have some accountability for the fact he messed up on his latest kernel, 2.3.1 which was rebooting everybodies phones. Luke may have gone about it the wrong way, but I believe he felt as I did. Felt that dsb was ignoring the fact that there was something seriously wrong with his latest kernel. Dsb had incinuated that it wasn't his kernel that made everbodies phones lock up and reboot, but it was "problems with the phone, even on stock". Nobody minds if you make a mistake and your work directly messes up phones. At least take responsibility and admit you were wrong so you can start working on a fix. Also dsb was frequently rude to commentors who did nothing wrong or acted flip towards them. This behavior is simply unacceptable especially for a recognised developer. Recognized developers represent xda and they should carry themselves with respect for others and themselves while posting on the forums, even if others don't always.
To the OP of this thread. Grow up.
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So I just picked up my replacement DNA last night and it just hit me. How am I going to unlock and root without the unsecured kernel? Or anybody else for that matter. This is bigger than first imagined if only very early adopters have root. Wow this sucks bad.
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You can still do all those things. I followed the cube kernal from day one and to me the luke guy is being made a villian here. don't know him, don't care to know him. but DSB was very sarcastic to him on the forums. that's when they both started talking crap. either way it sucks and hope he decides to return. i used all the kernals he made and ended up sticking with the unsecured. but swipe to unlock was great. unless you've read the entire cube thread don't jump to judge.
Luke *****ed about every build and he kept egging on the dev every chance he could. As noted in another thread about this, Luke was rude to the moderators too so it's not just DSB.
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Luke *****ed about every build and he kept egging on the dev every chance he could. As noted in another thread about this, Luke was rude to the moderators too so it's not just DSB.
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Luke definitely is missing a filter. Again for me this isn't about Luke's actions but Dsb's. Dsb will constantly run into lukes everywhere in life. Not just on the forums. My advice to dsb is to work on his forbearance for others.
A contributor or dev posts a ROM and many people download and flash it. The ROM is solid yet has a few bugs. The Dev responds to comments about these bugs and says they will be fixed in the next release. For the benefit of the doubt let's say a few weeks go by and the Dev volunteers info about this ROM but says a release isn't ready yet. Fair enough. A few more weeks go by with no mention of a release. Why is asking for an ETA frowned upon in this, albeit rare, situation?
The go to response is "these guys do this on their own time. They aren't being paid. How dare you even assume to think that you deserve any sort of progress update". I get it, but my point is, the Dev posts a ROM for it to be used by the people and to get offended because someone asks for an ETA is kind of ridiculous to me. If the Dev was doing it for just himself he wouldn't post it on the forum and I'm saying that making the ROM public comes with a few caveats. Like maybe some people have an Interest in progress.
Full disclosure: I've been an xda user for a long time and I've seen many people needlessly get their heads bitten off for asking for an ETA. I want to ask for an ETA in a thread and I'm afraid of the stupid backlash.
Maybe this goes in the general section. I'm not sure. I am technically asking a question.
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A contributor or dev posts a ROM and many people download and flash it. The ROM is solid yet has a few bugs. The Dev responds to comments about these bugs and says they will be fixed in the next release. For the benefit of the doubt let's say a few weeks go by and the Dev volunteers info about this ROM but says a release isn't ready yet. Fair enough. A few more weeks go by with no mention of a release. Why is asking for an ETA frowned upon in this, albeit rare, situation?
The go to response is "these guys do this on their own time. They aren't being paid. How dare you even assume to think that you deserve any sort of progress update". I get it, but my point is, the Dev posts a ROM for it to be used by the people and to get offended because someone asks for an ETA is kind of ridiculous to me. If the Dev was doing it for just himself he wouldn't post it on the forum and I'm saying that making the ROM public comes with a few caveats. Like maybe some people have an Interest in progress.
Full disclosure: I've been an xda user for a long time and I've seen many people needlessly get their heads bitten off for asking for an ETA. I want to ask for an ETA in a thread and I'm afraid of the stupid backlash.
Maybe this goes in the general section. I'm not sure. I am technically asking a question.
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Well let's see,
They are doing this on their own time and money
They are doing this for FREE
The have jobs,
They have familys
Changing one item will or may affect other portions of the rom
Sometimes the best of intentions don't work out
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FIVE MINUTE JOB
It only takes a couple of minutes............................................hours later the change still does not work!!!!!
You should be ashamed for even bringing the topic up!
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Well let's see,
They are doing this on their own time and money
They are doing this for FREE
The have jobs,
They have familys
Changing one item will or may affect other portions of the rom
Sometimes the best of intentions don't work out
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FIVE MINUTE JOB
It only takes a couple of minutes............................................hours later the change still does not work!!!!!
You should be ashamed for even bringing the topic up!
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Well, I'm not ashamed.
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thenaut said:
Well, I'm not ashamed.
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Then crack a couple books and start learning yourself rather than sitting on the sidelines asking the coach when you are gonna get some game time while only wearing your shower cap!
This is so funny to me. Everybody walks on eggshells and they all think the same thing. "I wonder how the Dev is coming along"? It's hilarious.
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This is so funny to me. Everybody walks on eggshells and they all think the same thing. "I wonder how the Dev is coming along"? It's hilarious.
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I don't think that. I am happy a Rom is even released. In a house building scenario: you build a house/shelter for everyone. There is a minor flaw in the foundation due to termites or something... Nothing too serious, not life threatening. You still have to go and fix it without messing up anything on top of the foundation. You try to fix it only to see making that quick fix actually made the plumbing wonky. You fix the plumbing only to see it made it worse. Might as well just keep it the way it was before.
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I don't think that. I am happy a Rom is even released. In a house building scenario: you build a house/shelter for everyone. There is a minor flaw in the foundation due to termites or something... Nothing too serious, not life threatening. You still have to go and fix it without messing up anything on top of the foundation. You try to fix it only to see making that quick fix actually made the plumbing wonky. You fix the plumbing only to see it made it worse. Might as well just keep it the way it was before.
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Honestly, this post is more directed at users who get bent out of shape when someone even mentions an ETA. rudeness is the perfect word. I've never asked because I personally feel similar to you. I still wonder, though. The reaction to this question by users makes my skin crawl.
Related: when someone is ordered to read an OP and subsequent posts that consists of 100 pages. Really? I just want to know what the bugs are and I'm being told to read small talk anecdotes and broken English? It's stupid and rude.
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I get where you are coming from. If its a month out on something that was said a few days or a week. In that sense someone should reach out to the dev. If it hadn't happened with the instagram downloaded for xposed then none would have started the project themselves. But for other things, you do have to remember most of the people here lead a life with full time jobs and maybe a family issue or job issue came up. While they are making these things for us, it isn't their responsibility to inform people they Dont really know if a family member died or something.
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I get where you are coming from. If its a month out on something that was said a few days or a week. In that sense someone should reach out to the dev. If it hadn't happened with the instagram downloaded for xposed then none would have started the project themselves. But for other things, you do have to remember most of the people here lead a life with full time jobs and maybe a family issue or job issue came up. While they are making these things for us, it isn't their responsibility to inform people they Dont really know if a family member died or something.
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I agree. I'm also not calling out the devs with this post, although it may seem that way. The devs are the experts here and of course they have lives not connected to android. My beef is with the children like buddy up there with the first reply on this thread. His answer is exactly why I've been staying away from these forums.
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Just ignore em. Gotta remember there are people that are angry in general and that need to find an outlet for it. Not your fault, just the internet. Easily ignored. I think it was a good question. Been following these forums for over a year now and you do see it all too often.
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I agree. I'm also not calling out the devs with this post, although it may seem that way. The devs are the experts here and of course they have lives not connected to android. My beef is with the children like buddy up there with the first reply on this thread. His answer is exactly why I've been staying away from these forums.
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If that's what you think then you should know you came off wrong...which happens when conversing over type.
I took your post to be in the same offensive category as the self entitled who demand updates. (And yes I deal with them too).
I would much rather be wrong on my initial assessment of your OP but please understand how it was received.
Hi all...this thread caught my eye. Interesting subject. Nothing wrong with it. Its the little script kiddies that hold real devs to god-like status that act rude.
Been around since the G1. Hasn't changed. If a dev is worth a flip he or she will not get all bent out of shape. Has the right to say back off but at least it's from the guy with the actual talent saying it! I've seen devs eat that crap up and get diva complexes which makes me laugh when it happens. Threatening to stop work yada yada. Told one to piss off and leave...a long time ago, different forum. Someone took up that diva's slack...ended up with a nice ROM for a crap phone.
Good times.
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