So the transformer tablets have been out too long for us to not know what is and isn't incorporated in the 40 pin connector, I started to map to pins on the connector and i think we should all work and add to this. I was unsure which pin was #1 and which was #40 but i have the orientation. Below is what i have so far.
I found that only 2 of the USB 3.0 pins seem to be in use in the plug (SSTX+ and GND_DRAIN). Seriously lets start working on this, maybe make it a sticky or something.
UPDATE 5/24/12
I updated the order of the pins so its clearer since it was such a TERRIBLE representation. Also added some pins.
UPDATE 5/7/12
Still working on this, haven't found much more out but i want to keep the thread alive. Keep trying everyone!
UPDATE 5/2/12
Please take not that this is not an official thread from ASUS but the self proclaimed place to officially post Pinout information.
I added a picture and modified the Pin numbers. Everything currently on the pinout has been verified. I also did some work to see if/where the audio linout was but was not sucessful, i will try more soon.
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Agian, please feel free to add to this and once pins have been confirmed i will add them to the diagram.
Great thread. I've been wondering about this...but one more item of clarification is necessary....To determine YOUR pin 1, with the ASUS logo side up, are the pins pointed up or down in your classification.
I also think that you should change the title a little....modify "OFFICIAL"...because you don't work for ASUS....or do you?
robertg9 said:
Great thread. I've been wondering about this...but one more item of clarification is necessary....To determine YOUR pin 1, with the ASUS logo side up, are the pins pointed up or down in your classification.
I also think that you should change the title a little....modify "OFFICIAL"...because you don't work for ASUS....or do you?
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i dont work for asus and im not sure how to change the title.
with the asus logo on the left with the plug vertical, looking at the plug my pin #1 is the bottom left.
bjohnston115 said:
i dont work for asus and im not sure how to change the title.
with the asus logo on the left with the plug vertical, looking at the plug my pin #1 is the bottom left.
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You could change it "UNOfficial"....just a suggestion
I think I understand you, but consider the words:
With the pins facing you and the ASUS Logo on the Left....
(just a suggestion....it's your thread....and a great one....I hope we get ALL the pins filled in)
Bob
Or this could be the self acclaimed official thread discussing pinout, not the officially released information itself. I think the title works, will discourage a dozen other threads about this however OP is now charged with the duty of keeping it up to date
OP try finding out what pins are used by the keyboard dock itself, not just the tablet. I think several pins must be to pass through USB to the dock and some must be for the keyboard, others must be to pass power through the keyboard and theres gotta be a switch somewhere or a pin thats jumped just to tell the prime its connected to the dock.
Purely speculation of course. Good thread, keep it up!
Here is image I found on another thread:
From: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19566215&postcount=35
awesome! however i believe the TF101 and TF201 connectors are slightly different, unfortunately those pics come from the TF101 forums... we need someone to do the same for the 201 connectors (high res macro pictures)
EDIT Scratch that, from what i can tell the 101 and 201 connectors are exactly the same. The docks are slightly different thats why i thought the connectors were different but the USB adapter works no problem. Perhaps someone with a GPS dongle can try removing it from the shell and try it on a 101 see if it works there? (maybe the software isnt there on the 101, who knows)
Anyways, the 101 and 201 connectors should be pretty much identical.
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awesome! however i believe the TF101 and TF201 connectors are slightly different, unfortunately those pics come from the TF101 forums... we need someone to do the same for the 201 connectors (high res macro pictures)
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The SD card and USB dongles work on both, so at least there is some compatibility.
Someone with a dock and an oscilloscope should have a look
Awesome Thread indeed!
PS. When taking up close pictures, try to set it up to MACRO.
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Awesome Thread indeed!
PS. When taking up close pictures, try to set it up to MACRO.
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thanks. I took the picture with my prime and didnt see a macro setting when i looked.
Once we find out the pins that tell the dock/ tablet that it's docked, maybe I can finally keep my USB power on output even when it's not docked. So I can charge my phone when I tether.
Ok, few things.... Firstly, The photo in OP and the photo a few posts down from the TF101 are flipped 180, i suggest OP changes his pin numbers to match the 101, for continuity.
2nd
can anyone confirm or deny that the TF101 power cable works with the TF201? For another project i need to know which pins are for power from the USB charger.... can someone help shed some light on this?
UPDATE Ok so it looks to me anyways most of the accessories that are made for the 101 are saying they work for the 201 as well, chargers, USB adapters, etc. so it stands to reason they have the same pinout
..........
jaycustom said:
Once we find out the pins that tell the dock/ tablet that it's docked, maybe I can finally keep my USB power on output even when it's not docked. So I can charge my phone when I tether.
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Based on a LOT of googling from what i can tell the prime doesnt indicate its charging until it reads over 11 volts coming in so i dont think you can merely jump a couple pins to trick it.
Sorry for the bad news. Sure wish there was better information out there :/
pileot said:
Based on a LOT of googling from what i can tell the prime doesnt indicate its charging until it reads over 11 volts coming in so i dont think you can merely jump a couple pins to trick it.
Sorry for the bad news. Sure wish there was better information out there :/
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I actually meant keep the usb power on, even if not docked. Right now I can charge my phone in the keyboard usb, as long as it's docked and the screen is on. As soon as the screen shuts off, or I undock, usb power cuts off. I basically wanna charge my phone even though I am not docked.
Unless that's what you meant and l didn't understand.
Ahh so basically use your dock as a backup battery... Idunno that would mean tearing apart the dock and messing with stuff, I'm not quite there yet. Lemme finish my work on the dongle then we can see about messing up the dock
jaycustom said:
I actually meant keep the usb power on, even if not docked. Right now I can charge my phone in the keyboard usb, as long as it's docked and the screen is on. As soon as the screen shuts off, or I undock, usb power cuts off. I basically wanna charge my phone even though I am not docked.
Unless that's what you meant and l didn't understand.
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The dock has its own firmware, so im sure things can be modified. If only a dev could look into modifying the firmware we'd be laughing!
pileot said:
Ahh so basically use your dock as a backup battery... Idunno that would mean tearing apart the dock and messing with stuff, I'm not quite there yet. Lemme finish my work on the dongle then we can see about messing up the dock
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Exactly...charge anything thru the docks usb at anytime.
If someone was willing to send me a spare dock to meddle with then sure i'll have a go at it but i cant risk my only dock. Sorry!
Bump to keep the thread alive!
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Updating with just the patched classes, instead of the update.zip due to complaints. Inside you will find the source to the app (yeah doing it in Settings.apk would be better, I'm being lazy) and the modified classes for services.jar. This is not working yet, it is being uploaded so other devs can tinker as well. We need kernel source before this will work, more than likely.
Issues known:
->breaks dock support.
Needs:
-> Drivers
-> ??
Cable Details:
GizmoDroid said:
From what I have gathered, there are three common types of cables most people might have hiding in their closet. There are multiple devices that use these types of cables, but most of them tend to follow those pinouts. If we definitively find out the right layout, you can mod a cable you already have, or get them for dirt cheap off of ebay/monoprice (fully recommended, they have nice cables for cheap).
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A) Samsung Galaxy S official cable, Nokia (cable #CA-75U), cables that come with most Media Players (Archos, Gigabeat, Creative, Zen Vision, Cowon iAudio, Apple iBook)
B) Standard Camcorder cable -This is the most likely kind that you'd find at a store if it doesn't specify what it is for.
C) Zune
D) iPod Video
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Some cables you already have can be used without modding the cable, even if the pinout isn't the same.
Type B/C/D device with a different Type B/C/D cable
By plugging the video plug into one of the audio channels, and vice versa, you can swap the signal without cutting your cable. Refer to the chart to see which audio channel to plug the video into.
Type B device with a Type A cable
Plug the cable in all the way, then pull it out one notch. You will have only one working audio channel though, so this will sacrifice audio quality.
[Size=+0]What type do I have?[/Size]
If you have a multimeter, it is easy to find which type of cable you have. Set your multimeter to resistance (ohms). Put one lead on an RCA signal pin, then touch the other to each of the 4 spots on 3.5mm jack. Whichever one shows ~0 ohms means that that RCA signal is connected to that spot on the jack. Some MM have a continuity mode that will beep whenever you make a closed circuit. This is easier since you don't have to look at the MM while you are doing this.
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jcase said:
Status:
I have no phone yet, this will improve once it gets here (this week? damn slow ebayers).
Patches Applied
Kernel /init.rc
->patch applied to run tvoutserver as a system service
services.jar /ServerThread.class
->patch applied to see the tvoutservice
services.jar /HeadsetObserver.class
->patch applied to properly detect rca cable
App
->applies needed setting, launches hidden tvout settings menu
Issues known:
->breaks dock support.
Our tests were inconclusive, as we only had one cable of an unknown pinout and one tester. We have gotten rid of all errors, the device sees the cable now, runs the service and communicates with the service.
Patch is for Superclean based on eb01 with voodoo. I am not responsible for any thing that happens due to this patch. Please don't apply unless you know what you are doing and can recover a "soft brick" on your own.
Patch
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8699733/apks/tvoutpatch001.zip
App
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8699733/apks/BallmerPeakTVOut.apk
Please report back any crashes, failures or for sure if it works.
Please report the type of cable you used, if it worked or not and if known the pinout.
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What the!!!??
Have you actually gotten to see anything on the screen yet?? I'm going to bust this out and try it now. I have my own cable that has been sitting in the packaging for weeks just waiting for someone to come out with this. I will test it out and report back shortly. I have no qualms about bringing my Fascinate back from the dead if I bork it ...
If this works, and something actually shows up on the TV, super big thanks!
Wait as in a micro usb to composite/component? HDMI?
Wait, wha? This would be awesome!
Before I blow $40 on cable ... do you know if this is supposed to only work for analog NTSC output or if HDMI output over the microUSB is one of the available options?
edit: sorry finakechi, you beat me to it.
Subscribed.
3.5mm to RCA, we haven't gotten output to the screen. I ordered a grip of cables and a fascinate, but it wont be til friday when I can test it.
Testing shows it seems to work, and nolonger errors. We just haven't gotten output. I posted here with hopes of someone having a working cable with the right pinout, or another dev picking up interest and joining us.
the usb to hdmi cable is to costly and I won't be looking into it unless someone sends me one. I think RCA is good enough.
I know we have two cables at work that are from two different digital cameras..they both work with their respective cameras but only one works with the fascinate and the vibrant phones we have here... the pinout looks the same though... so you may be getting output and you just don't know it yet.
Got an error report:
<fuzzhead> i do think your app/patch is kind of working or trying to work though. i opened gallery and video player and both fc'ed while i was playing with rcas. leads me to believe it was trying to output
If someone with experience using logcat can reproduce this, and get me the log it would greatly help.
kmalinich said:
I know we have two cables at work that are from two different digital cameras..they both work with their respective cameras but only one works with the fascinate and the vibrant phones we have here... the pinout looks the same though... so you may be getting output and you just don't know it yet.
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What do you mean works on the fascinate?
I have this EXACT cable. Will test out in the next 24 hours. If this cable doesn't work, nothing will.
Syn Ack said:
I have this EXACT cable. Will test out in the next 24 hours. If this cable doesn't work, nothing will.
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If the cable doesnt work, switch out the wires, it might not be yellow that is video out. Also if it doesnt work, then we just investigate further.
jcase said:
What do you mean works on the fascinate?
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damn, that was a hell of a typo. I meant captivate
kmalinich said:
damn, that was a hell of a typo. I meant captivate
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Hahaha. That is a little bit of an "oopsie."
Edit: Well, this is weird. I installed the patch, and now it's doing the robotic female voice and taking forever to reboot. I wiped caches and such, but I don't remember changing any voodoo settings ... hmm. Yeah, it's still talking to me. Weird. We'll see what happens. I'm on EB01, but not a superclean. Suppose locking up a phone is as good a reason as any to try a new ROM.
Well, after a successful boot, the app indeed runs and lets me change settings without any apparent issues - no force closes, etc. I have the mini jack to the three RCA breakout cables. It's the Dynex brand from Best Buy (purchased when I still had employee discount, of course!) With TV Out enabled or disabled (I tested PAL and NTSC both just for fun) I couldn't get the TV to display any audio or video regardless of how I plugged each cable in - red, white, or yellow. I am going to have to find some cable clamps and do some individual circuit testing and see if it's send out any signal at all, and trace it. It should at least be sending out some kind of audio, because I tested regular stereo headphones, and they still work. I'm excited to monkey around with this a bit. If I can narrow down which signal is going where on the 3.5 to RCA adapter cable I have, I can at least detect, hopefully, that audio is still being sent properly, and even more hopefully, if there is a pos/neg combo that will magically be a video signal. No more time to work on this tonight though.
Thankyou, jcase. I am waited for it, will beta test it as soon as get my cable.
djp952 said:
Wait, wha? This would be awesome!
Before I blow $40 on cable ... do you know if this is supposed to only work for analog NTSC output or if HDMI output over the microUSB is one of the available options?
edit: sorry finakechi, you beat me to it.
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Before anyone overpays for a cable:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=3.5mm+to+RCA&x=0&y=0
O this would be awesome if it works! I'm following this.
I already have the cable, it's a generic from Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000I1D0BW
Will test and report. I think I love you.
Not all cables will have the correct pinout (which we dont know what it is).
Damn, jcase. First you help me with my Droid and now that I got a Fascinate you help with that too!
So, i've seen a few pics of the dongle both assembled and disassembled... my question: if i disassemble my dongle and plug it into my dock can i use it? Physically it looks like it would fit, im just wondering if it will function... any ideas?
Edit:
To avoid confusion, i want to go [Prime] -> [Dock] -> [GPS]
The dock has both a male AND female connection.
Aparently it does not function as of yet, might be software? What pins are being used on the gps and what pins get passed through on the dock? If were lucky its just a software thing, or maybe it requires some pins to get passed to the dock connector.
We had the first person who opened up said it didn't work when he plugged it into the dock. The pin layout might be different or could be a software thing. If a software issues, developers here should be able to modify the file path or whatever that the GPS software in prime looks at. Instead of looking for dongle at the prime 40pin connector, maybe it could be rerouted to the dock 40pin connector. Or software change that'll detect either and link it up accordingly.
Plug it in to your keyboard dock you mean?
>i disassemble my dongle and plug it into my dock can i use it?
Mating connectors use the male-female concept. Tablet plugs into dock, so one is male, the other is female. Dongle plugs into tab, so it is opposite gender of tab, and same gender as dock. Ergo, dongle can't plug into dock, coz like-gendered connectors can't mate.
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BTW, for those who want to mod toys at the chip level, might as well get well acquainted with your soldering iron. Little bitties in dongle means SMT fun. Contrary to popular belief, you can do SMT stuff w/o fancy tools. A vid primer, then:
e.mote said:
>i disassemble my dongle and plug it into my dock can i use it?
Mating connectors use the male-female concept. Tablet plugs into dock, so one is male, the other is female. Dongle plugs into tab, so it is opposite gender of tab, and same gender as dock. Ergo, dongle can't plug into dock, coz like-gendered connectors can't mate.
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BTW, for those who want to mod toys at the chip level, might as well get well acquainted with your soldering iron. Little bitties in dongle means SMT fun. Contrary to popular belief, you can do SMT stuff w/o fancy tools. A vid primer, then:
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But doesn't the dock also have another 40pin female connector on the side of it? This is how it gets charged with the prime power adapter that has 40pin male adapter on the end. Plus someone who opened it up already said they plugged it into the dock but it wouldn't work.
I know what you saying about like gender adapters not being able to mate but I believe the dock has a male adapter, to go into the prime for dock connection, and another female adapter on it so it can be charged at the same time.
demandarin is correct, the dock does in fact have both a male connection to connect to the prime and a female connection which the power adapter connects to.
Guess i would have to look into if the dock passes through all the pins or just a select few, however data at least should work, i connect my computer to my prime through the dock all the time to transfer files (instead of undocking the prime and connecting that way)
Edited the first post to include information thus far.
>But doesn't the dock also have another 40pin female connector on the side of it? This is how it gets charged with the prime power adapter that has 40pin male adapter on the end.
If the port is only used for charging, there'd be no data lines going to it. There's no reason to daisy-chain the charging connector to the docking connector. If you want to do that, then you'd have to figure out the pin-out. Even then, the odds of something going poof is still pretty good. This ventures into the territory of "if you have to ask, then the answer is no." It's not a good idea.
If you want working GPS and working dock at same time, ditch the dongle and go with active GPS antenna mod for the built-in GPS. It's simpler and more straightforward. If you're good, you may be able to have an inset port for the MCX connector and have nothing sticking out. Not sure if there's enough space to do that, though, so you may have a slight nub sticking out.
Also, the fact that you can't turn off the dongle is another issue with a Daisy chain solution
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>go with active GPS antenna mod for the built-in GPS. It's simpler and more straightforward.
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Are you talking about the beer can mod with wire or did I miss a thread along the way.
>Are you talking about the beer can mod with wire or did I miss a thread along the way.
I'm talking about an aftermarket GPS antenna like these below. You'll need to mount a SMA or preferably a smaller MCX port, then jerry-rig some power for the "active" antenna (because GPS signal is weak, it needs an amp to compensate for signal loss, which needs power). Come to think of it, since cable length isn't excessive, you can try a passive ant and see what happens. The key is to get the antenna element outside of the metal case, and replacing the crappy internal PFA one. The connector is intended for quick-on/off use.
http://google.com/products?q=active+gps+antenna+mcx
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>But doesn't the dock also have another 40pin female connector on the side of it? This is how it gets charged with the prime power adapter that has 40pin male adapter on the end.
If the port is only used for charging, there'd be no data lines going to it. There's no reason to daisy-chain the charging connector to the docking connector. If you want to do that, then you'd have to figure out the pin-out. Even then, the odds of something going poof is still pretty good. This ventures into the territory of "if you have to ask, then the answer is no." It's not a good idea.
If you want working GPS and working dock at same time, ditch the dongle and go with active GPS antenna mod for the built-in GPS. It's simpler and more straightforward. If you're good, you may be able to have an inset port for the MCX connector and have nothing sticking out. Not sure if there's enough space to do that, though, so you may have a slight nub sticking out.
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The port isn't just used for charging on the dock. I can plug the USB to the dock with my tablet attached and can transfer data fine.
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kwazytazz said:
The port isn't just used for charging on the dock. I can plug the USB to the dock with my tablet attached and can transfer data fine.
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No but the 40 pin on the dock may well just be used for charging .. data may be connected to the SD/USB sub board
Deffo needs more investigation .. tempting indeed !
http://www.amazon.com/BLACK-TF101-epad-EXTENSION-KIT-TFUSB1/dp/B005PAINXQ/ref=pd_sim_sbs_e_1
Has anyone used one of these before?
denhib said:
http://www.amazon.com/BLACK-TF101-epad-EXTENSION-KIT-TFUSB1/dp/B005PAINXQ/ref=pd_sim_sbs_e_1
Has anyone used one of these before?
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Yeah, I've got one. It does what it says but a word of warning, it sits loosely when connected to the transformer. It's very handy though as I don't have a dock and so far everything I've plugged into it works well.
I just got mine today (actually 30mins ago).
Already taken it apart and are going to modify it. I dont fancy having 1dm extra height on my tablet, especially not on the underside. (edit: ok I lied, its actually only 8.3cm..... only...)
And yes, it sits quite loosely.
Im going to post a guide if my mod is successful. I am also going to try and add a charger port on it.
Goatshocker said:
I just got mine today (actually 30mins ago).
Already taken it apart and are going to modify it. I dont fancy having 1dm extra height on my tablet, especially not on the underside. (edit: ok I lied, its actually only 8.3cm..... only...)
And yes, it sits quite loosely.
Im going to post a guide if my mod is successful. I am also going to try and add a charger port on it.
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I don't know if it would be possible but how about adding another usb port. This would save using a USB hub to connect more than one peripheral to the transformer.
michael_duvalle said:
I don't know if it would be possible but how about adding another usb port. This would save using a USB hub to connect more than one peripheral to the transformer.
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Simply adding another usb port isnt possible, you still need the hub control chip.
That would be possible to do but would require you to make a new 'case' for the adapter, and it would get quite big (relatively).
michael_duvalle said:
Yeah, I've got one. It does what it says but a word of warning, it sits loosely when connected to the transformer. It's very handy though as I don't have a dock and so far everything I've plugged into it works well.
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That was what I was hoping as I don't have a dock either. I wonder if you can plug a wireless keyboard/mouse adapter into it.
Anyone know of a good place I can get this from in the UK. Can't seem to find it anywhere!
denhib said:
That was what I was hoping as I don't have a dock either. I wonder if you can plug a wireless keyboard/mouse adapter into it.
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Yes, you can. I tried with my set (from Acer Aspire PC) and it worked without any problems.
You can find them on ebay. Relatively expensive though.
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In fact, there's one going right now, fairly cheap, but you might be bidding against me....
seller is 'buyspry'
I really miss a right-click feature when using a mouse while remote controlling a PC :/... not that that has anything to do with the adapter though.
Im not sure I should post my guide on how to add a cable to the adapter... It wasnt my best day and it turned out quite disasterous I somehow managed to kill 2 solder points so had to find alternative source lol
And I gave up on the charging port... I couldnt for the life of me figure out which pins is for charging. The ones I thought (by comparing to the original charger cable) turned out to just short-circut the TF
Just ordered this item on DX:
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Let's see if I got a default USB port while without the dock, using my plain cable from TF101 attached to this usb female adapter.
Yes, I've a dock but most of the time I don't use it. I preffer use it inside a leather case which doesn't fits the dock.
LINK ON DX
2 pieces for only USD$2.20
Hey goatshocker, if you're willing to part with USD5, the newest version of Splash Remote desktop HD supports rightclick fully!
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Hey goatshocker, if you're willing to part with USD5, the newest version of Splash Remote desktop HD supports rightclick fully!
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Yes I know Ive already updated to that version (did it same day it was released lol)
I also like theyve added touchpad feature rather than just the "click on the item you want to open".
Makes it a lot easier to click small items.
rafael_mfr: Waste of money. Had you spent 10sec searching you would know it doesnt work.
The pins used for the USB adapter isnt even present in the default sync/charging cable, unless youre DAMN good at soldering and can solder cables on pins the size of 0.01mm with 0.01mm spacing.
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May be it is a useful for you
rafael_mfr said:
Just ordered this item on DX:
Let's see if I got a default USB port while without the dock, using my plain cable from TF101 attached to this usb female adapter.
Yes, I've a dock but most of the time I don't use it. I preffer use it inside a leather case which doesn't fits the dock.
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2 pieces for only USD$2.20
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Did that work?
So I dont have the proper tools to do this but maybe someone else does.
The GPS dongle is the same connector as the keyboard dock, however due to the gps housing it does not physically fit. But with with the right torx screwdriver it seems possible that it may be able to be disassembled and tested to see if it will work if you were to plug it into the keyboard dock.
Any theories out there on if this will work or not?
I plan to get a torx screwdriver tomorrow to test this out unless someone else has already tried?
imadork8317 said:
So I dont have the proper tools to do this but maybe someone else does.
The GPS dongle is the same connector as the keyboard dock, however due to the gps housing it does not physically fit. But with with the right torx screwdriver it seems possible that it may be able to be disassembled and tested to see if it will work if you were to plug it into the keyboard dock.
Any theories out there on if this will work or not?
I plan to get a torx screwdriver tomorrow to test this out unless someone else has already tried?
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It might... the only problem I can think of is that the dock connects its USB port to the tablet through this connector and I'm willing to be the GPS in the dongle does the same. I'm not sure what would happen if two devices connected to the USB port on the tablet at the same time...
someone has actually done this already and posted pix. BUT it doesnt work when its plugged into the dock 40 pin port. they are trying to pinpoint the reason as to why. could be possible the dock 40 pin is for power and charging tablet only. it may not have data connections pins in it. the other theory is that the gps dongle software is only pointed at the actual tablet 40 pin connector. so if you attach it to the dock, the prime recognizes. i was thinking maybe developers could modify or add another file path in the programming so dongle would work when plugged in either.
check out my gps dongle test thread. there are pix of it. my op pix exceeded bandwith and not showing up at the moment. but the person who originally posted up the opened dongle is in that thread. also person is in there who posted it wouldn't work on dock so far. Also check out Erusman gps and wifi thread. where he opened up his prime. i know they will be modding the dongle in there also.
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someone has actually done this already and posted pix. BUT it doesnt work when its plugged into the dock 40 pin port. they are trying to pinpoint the reason as to why. could be possible the dock 40 pin is for power and charging tablet only. it may not have data connections pins in it. the other theory is that the gps dongle software is only pointed at the actual tablet 40 pin connector. so if you attach it to the dock, the prime recognizes. i was thinking maybe developers could modify or add another file path in the programming so dongle would work when plugged in either.
check out my gps dongle test thread. there are pix of it. my op pix exceeded bandwith and not showing up at the moment. but the person who originally posted up the opened dongle is in that thread. also person is in there who posted it wouldn't work on dock so far. Also check out Erusman gps and wifi thread. where he opened up his prime. i know they will be modding the dongle in there also.
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Thanks demandarin, i will check those out.
I'm also working on this. Its kind of interesting.
demandarin said:
someone has actually done this already and posted pix. BUT it doesnt work when its plugged into the dock 40 pin port. they are trying to pinpoint the reason as to why. could be possible the dock 40 pin is for power and charging tablet only. it may not have data connections pins in it. the other theory is that the gps dongle software is only pointed at the actual tablet 40 pin connector. so if you attach it to the dock, the prime recognizes. i was thinking maybe developers could modify or add another file path in the programming so dongle would work when plugged in either.
check out my gps dongle test thread. there are pix of it. my op pix exceeded bandwith and not showing up at the moment. but the person who originally posted up the opened dongle is in that thread. also person is in there who posted it wouldn't work on dock so far. Also check out Erusman gps and wifi thread. where he opened up his prime. i know they will be modding the dongle in there also.
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Not true, it must have data connection pins in it. Connect your charger cable to the dock with the prime attached to it and then connect it to your pc. Works the same way as if you were to connect it directly to the prime. That's what I do to transfer new ROMs, pictures and whatnot without the need to disconnect the prime.
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Not true, it must have data connection pins in it. Connect your charger cable to the dock with the prime attached to it and then connect it to your pc. Works the same way as if you were to connect it directly to the prime. That's what I do to transfer new ROMs, pictures and whatnot without the need to disconnect the prime.
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But power and data isn't going to account for all 40 pins is it? I still think that some pins are arranged differently between the Prime's port and the dock's. All the extra pins are going to be info for the keyboard and USB and everything. I doubt all the pins even make a connection on the dock's port because the dock isn't about to have a dock plugged into it. The dongle probably uses some of the same information pathways that the keyboard requires and doesn't even have in it's female port.
Coderedpl said:
Not true, it must have data connection pins in it. Connect your charger cable to the dock with the prime attached to it and then connect it to your pc. Works the same way as if you were to connect it directly to the prime. That's what I do to transfer new ROMs, pictures and whatnot without the need to disconnect the prime.
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who said it was true? those were all possible reasons as to why it didn't work that was thrown out there by other people. then that eliminates that reason. more than likely a software issue. the software probably only points to prime tablet connector port only. developers would have to take a look at it.
So i tore my GPS apart anyways just for fun, the actually device is fairly small, probably only a quarter of the size of the housing. I assumed they made it large enough so they can add the lock feature to make it more durable rather than small and could easily break. And as everyone else has already confirmed it does not communicate through the keyboard.
Where does the 40-pin connector travel while in the keyboard and what pins does the GPS unit use?
I've never found a pinout for the Transformer's 40 pin connector.
We know there are at least two sets of USB lines - one pair for the external devices (host) and one to make the Prime a peripheral for a PC (client).
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I've never found a pinout for the Transformer's 40 pin connector.
We know there are at least two sets of USB lines - one pair for the external devices (host) and one to make the Prime a peripheral for a PC (client).
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Somewhere I could have sworn I have some OG Transformer pinouts. I'll have to look around all my bookmarks, but I don't know if they'd actually be the same.
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This one?
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No, but now I have that one too
Lol, the one I had was much less detailed http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14937362
Would you like to see pictures of the gps dongle device itself?
I have also opened up the gps kit. I have several pictures of me measuring the pins with a volt/ohm meter. If you want I could upload them? Please give me a like, and I will
Also please see this picture of the inside of the 40-pin prime-dock-connector.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1114228&stc=1&d=1339111909
I guess that could be helpfull too.
Can anyone who has the dk30 dock connector throw it on a tester to find out which pin is positive and which is negative in relation to the phone? I have my ultra coming today and would like to cnc myself a few docks (One for the shop, one for home and a wider dock plate for my truck) at my shop instead of buying 3 docks and customizing one for the truck.. I am planning on using some thick acrylic to make the docks. I will share the results here when I get them done.
Thanks!
Someone has to have purchased one of these docks who has a simple voltage tester!
After reading the bad reviews on the dock, I want to start making these custom docks. I have everything I need to make the docks except the pin layout on the device. I don't want to risk applying current backwards seeing the connector is only able to be installed one way.
All I need to know is which pin is positive and I can make the mold for the docks.
I would like to know this too! Please someone with the DK30 make a quick measurement!
Regards
parts ordered
I have pogo pins, micro usb breakout boards, and small rare earth magnets on order. I plan on making a mold for a connector which can be used in different dock configurations. I have a cnc router so can simply make either wood or plastic docks (maybe even aluminum) to receive the custom connector. If all goes well, I should be able to reproduce them. If someone can take this reading for me, I will send them a dock when I complete them (only the first person). I will also post the results in a new thread. 4 days with the ultra and I'm already sick of the doors over the ports. I can do better than the sony dock for sure!
Answered
This was answered by Luisarn in another thread:
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Round one is the + (5V) and the oval one is the GND
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2403846&page=9
Thanks Luisarn and thanks Bin4ry for asking over there.
jayty97 said:
This was answered by Luisarn in another thread:
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Round one is the + (5V) and the oval one is the GND
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2403846&page=9
Thanks Luisarn and thanks Bin4ry for asking over there.
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Exactly
Looking forward to build a own one
Regards
Made a prototype!
Bin4ry said:
Exactly
Looking forward to build a own one
Regards
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I made a prototype out of some white corian while waiting for the rest of the parts to come in. I ultimately want to be able to plug a micro usb into the back of the dock as that is mainly what I have everywhere already. The full sized usb on the Sony dock is just stupid! Anyway this is just a quick one.. no magnets, just gravity to make the connection. I will be making an improved version as soon as my parts come in. I also plan on incorporating an nfc tag so I can set up the phone to open car mode when on the road, a clock when next to the bed, etc.
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I made a prototype out of some white corian while waiting for the rest of the parts to come in. I ultimately want to be able to plug a micro usb into the back of the dock as that is mainly what I have everywhere already. The full sized usb on the Sony dock is just stupid! Anyway this is just a quick one.. no magnets, just gravity to make the connection. I will be making an improved version as soon as my parts come in. I also plan on incorporating an nfc tag so I can set up the phone to open car mode when on the road, a clock when next to the bed, etc.
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One question. How can you plug USB while docking? Seems your dock cover the USB slot, like other dock I saw (expect sony dock).
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One question. How can you plug USB while docking? Seems your dock cover the USB slot, like other dock I saw (expect sony dock).
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I'm not sure why I would want to use the dock at the same time as connection ting the device Over USB. I use wireless transfer for files and seldom have a reason to plug in other than for charging. In fact I Wonder if there would be a problem connecting 2 power sources at once.
USB can be use for plug OTG as well. Like usb keys, xbox controller and as much usb devices android accept. It is true that each person use things differently, prior use for me when I finally will get a dock will be for can use OTG and charge my phone in the same time. As main reason I limit use of Keyboard, mouse and xbox controller on android devices is mainly because I can't charge in same time. Magnetic charging really seduced me ^^
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I made a prototype out of some white corian while waiting for the rest of the parts to come in. I ultimately want to be able to plug a micro usb into the back of the dock as that is mainly what I have everywhere already. The full sized usb on the Sony dock is just stupid! Anyway this is just a quick one.. no magnets, just gravity to make the connection. I will be making an improved version as soon as my parts come in. I also plan on incorporating an nfc tag so I can set up the phone to open car mode when on the road, a clock when next to the bed, etc.
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I would be interested in 1 of your docks or maybe you could make a custom 1 for me
that I can use in my car . I do have something in mind , let me know if you'd be interested ?
PAPER1 said:
I would be interested in 1 of your docks or maybe you could make a custom 1 for me
that I can use in my car . I do have something in mind , let me know if you'd be interested ?
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I am waiting on some micro USB breakout boards as well as Some magnets to play around with. I will keep this current design for use at my shop, but am planning a car dock and one for next to the bed. Both will have a nfc chip embedded in them. I will post the final product here or will more than likely link to a new thread. I have to see how long they take me.. I have a lot of work at my shop right now. If I can make an easily repeatable design I may make a few to sell.. I'll let you know....
bASKOU said:
USB can be use for plug OTG as well. Like usb keys, xbox controller and as much usb devices android accept. It is true that each person use things differently, prior use for me when I finally will get a dock will be for can use OTG and charge my phone in the same time. As main reason I limit use of Keyboard, mouse and xbox controller on android devices is mainly because I can't charge in same time. Magnetic charging really seduced me ^^
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Everybody definitely has their own preference! I use a bluetooth mouse, keyboard and controller. Otg was way too cumbersome, especially when having to use a powered hub. I love the ultra because i can log in remotely to my computer and tweak cad drawings on the road if in a pinch using the mouse and keyboard.. the screen size and resolution on this thing are great. Bluetooth just works so much better for me. i have never had a need to attach a thumb drive to my phone.
A dock which allows you to access the usb port would be easy enough though. I simply don't ever want to open the door to the usb port again Hell, I may even make a custom connector for use with a power pack so that can use the dock pins as well!
jayty97 said:
Everybody definitely has their own preference! I use a bluetooth mouse, keyboard and controller. Otg was way too cumbersome, especially when having to use a powered hub. I love the ultra because i can log in remotely to my computer and tweak cad drawings on the road if in a pinch using the mouse and keyboard.. the screen size and resolution on this thing are great. Bluetooth just works so much better for me. i have never had a need to attach a thumb drive to my phone.
A dock which allows you to access the usb port would be easy enough though. I simply don't ever want to open the door to the usb port again Hell, I may even make a custom connector for use with a power pack so that can use the dock pins as well!
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For me nothing is more reliable than a wire connection "fastest, most stable and never need to charge". I agree wireless is more comfortable but not work better.
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For me nothing is more reliable than a wire connection "fastest, most stable and never need to charge". I agree wireless is more comfortable but not work better.
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When I was trying to work with a hub and otg to use a mouse and keyboard I the past, the results were not reliable at all.. The newer blue tooth stuff (I'm using all 3.0) has been very dependable for me.. Each use case is different though.
anything new on this ???
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anything new on this ???
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Been busy with work and the new baby.. I have a final version of the regular dock done... I'm working on the car dock.. I'll update this week. I'll put up some more pics with the phone in the dock etc.. For now,a pic of the the finished dock:
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Been busy with work and the new baby.. I have a final version of the regular dock done... I'm working on the car dock.. I'll update this week. I'll put up some more pics with the phone in the dock etc.. For now,a pic of the the finished dock:
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Looks good , will you be making a version that works with a case on the phone ?
For example I'm using a Incipio DualPro That I cut & modified in the spot
were the Magnet charger hooks up . I would be interest in both car & desk mount
if it would work with my case on & a set of both for when I don't use my case .
THANKS for the update .
Any Updates on your docks ???
Was also wondering if you might want to tackle a project & make a belt clip the phone can
slide in similar to this 1 , but maybe with the holder section on the magnet side placed above
& below the charge section . I would be very willing to pay for a couple & a friend who has the
Z ultra also would like a couple . I'm sure there is a market for it .
link to example of what I'm talking about .
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Hard-...t=US_Cell_Phone_PDA_Cases&hash=item3f29d6db91
I am talking about just the section are Phone would slide into so we can clip it onto our belt , computer bag , backpack , pocket , ect ...
please let me know what you think ??? :fingers-crossed:
These car docks could turn into your next business venture.
I'm an OTR truck driver. I use my Note 2 for all the normal stuff plus I have a truck GPS that runs on it. Needless to say that it is on my dash 24x7 due to other trucking apps. One of my big problems is due to the vibration USB ports don't last long. I love the magnetic charge. I like the high sides for control of the unit. I do have 110 volt power running to the dashboard to plug things in.
If you decide you are going to make a few of these let me know how much. I'm sure truck drivers will eat these up. I can see where these phones and going to be popular. For those who don't know for a truck driver to basically pick up their phone and dial it the fine for him us over $2000. The fine that goes to the company for the same offense is over $11,000. If you are lucky enough to be an owner-operator you get to pay both fines. The use of the processor, OK Google, and other voice command features will explode with this type of phone. We are still allowed to use bluetooth to talk and you can press the button on the side of your headset to do things.