Can any one post some bencharks of roms? for example Stock Samsung ICS Rom and CM9? Really want to know if roms compared to stock Samsung and CM9 make diference in speed? Please
1) Benchmarks are meaningless. The only people who think benchmarks are useful are normally the people who fap off over their benchmark scores. They're simply not any indication of real world performance of the phone.
2) Why not flash each rom & run benchmarks yourself ? Easy to do.
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1) Benchmarks are meaningless. The only people who think benchmarks are useful are normally the people who fap off over their benchmark scores. They're simply not any indication of real world performance of the phone.
2) Why not flash each rom & run benchmarks yourself ? Easy to do.
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This ^
I can easily manipulate the same ROM and Kernel to get whatever Benchmark scores I want without too much difficulty, it would also likely be impossible for anyone to tell I did it other than the fact that my scores would be unbelievably high/low.
Also, some ROMs run better than others on a ROM/kernel combo depending on their ability to handle OC/UV and GPU tweaks, not every handset can handle these things in the same way (I have 2 GT-I9100Ms, one can handle heavy UV while the other doesn't seem to be able to handle any, based on the serial numbers they were manufactured at roughly the same time, possibly the same batch) so what benchmarks well for one person may show awful results for another.
Thank you for your replies. the thing is i dont have S2 any more and waiting for S3. but curious about ROM well samsung rom should have better optimisation of drivers and so on because it's their rom well thats what i think but thats why i posted this to find out. ok so in real life what do you think witch is faster on browsing gaming and so on?
You mean between S2 and S3? Its obvious..
Bout benchmarks, always get higher quadrant on stock, and low on cm9/ aosp. But aosp runs as fast or faster in real life.
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You mean between S2 and S3? Its obvious..
Bout benchmarks, always get higher quadrant on stock, and low on cm9/ aosp. But aosp runs as fast or faster in real life.
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I agree here, Touchwiz based ROMs seem to benchmark higher, while AOSP seems smoother in real world situations, I'm sure there are people out there who have the opposite results, so you aren't likely to get a consensus on whether one is better/faster/smoother than the other.
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1) Benchmarks are meaningless. The only people who think benchmarks are useful are normally the people who fap off over their benchmark scores. They're simply not any indication of real world performance of the phone.
2) Why not flash each rom & run benchmarks yourself ? Easy to do.
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That's actually not true. Period.
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That's actually not true. Period.
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Did you write that one-handed? Question mark. (why are we writing punctuation?)
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Did you write that one-handed? Question mark. (why are we writing punctuation?)
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You do know it's to emphasise my point and it's a pretty common way to do it right?
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Yeah it is true. You bumped a two month old thread simply to say "That's actually not true. Period.", so let's hear it champ. Tell us why that's the case. Or are you just another benchmark fapper who's FOS ?
I gave up porn a long time ago to masturbate furiously over benchmarks. This has actually had numerous positive effects on both my social life and my sex life.
First, using benchmarks instead of porn allows me to tailor exactly the intensity of fapping I want at that time in a easy, quick and efficient way. No longer do I have to wade through numerous porn videos trying to find that one attractive girl or that one interesting concept to fap to - now I can simply tweak my ROM and Kernel a little bit and get a score which reflects my horniness. Say I'd been camping with my trio of male friends for a week and having to share a tent the entire time, naturally fapping in such a situation would be frowned upon. When I finally get home I would be ready for a really special fap, so maybe I'd tune the scores upto a good 9000 and really crank one out. For everyday use, I use a steady 6000 score. This allows me to really optimize the amount of time I spend fapping per day.
Secondly, exchanging porn for benchmarks has had an extremely positive effect on my Sex life. No more am I staring at Pornstar's penises amazed at their size and wishing I had a similar prowess in bed. No longer am I insecure about sex or constantly wondering whether women actually like getting slapped. Now, when I have sex, I'm thinking one thing and one thing only - a score of 12000 in Quadrant. I am 12000, I am that score, I embody that score, that score is me and it drives me to hump like a God. Indeed, I can attest to the fact that fapping over benchmarks is far better than porn. So I say go OP go, I understand your plight, don't let these meth head unemployed porn addicts ever talk you out of your love of benchmarks, stay strong OP, stay fapping.
Hahahahahaha ;-) That could be the greatest post on XDA. Ever.
I used stock indian rom which was way more scoring than galaxy nexus f1 rom.
Mostly the difference was in i/o score.
Still will show you the stock score with speedmod kernel. :thumbup:
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After last weeks DX farce with 2Ghz and 3Ghz Im cautious however these guys seem to have the benchies to back it up. We've long heard the potential for the hummingbird was 1.6. Only sad part is they say no Fascinate development till they get one. Removing the 56fps cap is nice too
I've never heard of these guys before? Legit? Renowned? Anyone know.
I would say all is BS until proven other wise. In my opinion the hardware would burn up at those speeds.
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I would say all is BS until proven other wise. In my opinion the hardware would burn up at those speeds.
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While not safe, I seriously doubt it would burn up.
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While not safe, I seriously doubt it would burn up.
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Agreed. 1.6 has long been discussed as an achieveable speed. Dirrk was tinkering with it weeks ago. Its voltage requirement obviously is high and near the threshold point given the non-active cooling for the cpu. But I would not be surprised this could be achieved. I mean shoot we have 1.25Ghz on less than stock voltage already.
Benchmarks in one hand, stability in the other. When I see a posted kernel with good reviews for a week or so, I'll do more than raise an eyebrow. lol.
It's on the OCLF kernel, which if I remember, is well known for posting high quadrant scores without giving any real performance benefit.
Also, benchmark overclock's in the desktop world are always just for demonstration, not an application. Ever seen that 7GHz overclock benchmark they did on a Pentium 4?
This is no BS. The devs working on this are reputable and put out some of the best Vibrant ROMs out there. They're stable at 1.6ghz and are talking about pushing it to 1.8/2.0.
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This is no BS. The devs working on this are reputable and put out some of the best Vibrant ROMs out there. They're stable at 1.6ghz and are talking about pushing it to 1.8/2.0.
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This doesn't suprise me. I could push my Droid to 1.32ghz. That's well over a 100% overclock. Achieving a 60% overclock shouldn't be too hard, especially on newer and much better hardware.
I find it tough to believe that most phones will be stable at a 60% overclock. Granted, Im only speaking from my experience with desktop CPUs... What type of software do people run to test stability?
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This is no BS. The devs working on this are reputable and put out some of the best Vibrant ROMs out there. They're stable at 1.6ghz and are talking about pushing it to 1.8/2.0.
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Thats encouraging
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I find it tough to believe that most phones will be stable at a 60% overclock. Granted, Im only speaking from my experience with desktop CPUs... What type of software do people run to test stability?
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What has been your experience with desktop cpu's. I cannot remember the last desktop cpu I have which at least 50% so I dont find 60% outrageously unreasonable. Active cooling obviously makes a difference.
With the battery life Im seeing on Dirrks UV kernels and even what I got on stock voltages pre-OC I would feel confident I could still get a full day off a 1.4-1.5Ghz hummingbird even if the voltage had to be raised to 1400mv.
I'm having trouble with stability with the 1.2 OC kernals...
So I checked out the thread in the vibrant section. This is def for real! Looks awesome! I had trouble with dirrks lv 1200. But every other kernel has ran fine. I'm sure that eventually we'll have everything we can dream on this phone. Good thing its already so great that I don't mind waiting. I hope I don't have to find an excuse to exchange my phone in search of one that can handle more.
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After last weeks DX farce with 2Ghz and 3Ghz Im cautious however these guys seem to have the benchies to back it up. We've long heard the potential for the hummingbird was 1.6. Only sad part is they say no Fascinate development till they get one. Removing the 56fps cap is nice too
I've never heard of these guys before? Legit? Renowned? Anyone know.
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@teamwhiskey is a god send. they have pulled the download though,due to flaws in their kernal. they are in the process of re-vamping it and re-testing. it seems while the kernal did improve performance it is unknown how much because it was also manipulating the internal clock speed.
def legit.
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@teamwhiskey is a god send. they have pulled the download though,due to flaws in their kernal. they are in the process of re-vamping it and re-testing. it seems while the kernal did improve performance it is unknown how much because it was also manipulating the internal clock speed.
def legit.
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That sounds like what Dirrk ran into at 1.6 as well
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That sounds like what Dirrk ran into at 1.6 as well
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Yea its going to be a pain to get that kink worked out. But from what ive heard theyre making headway. Now if only I could get a.perm root for the g2 lol.
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Yes this is for real. I personally run it. Heres quadrant I ran last night. This kernel should be ported to all SGS phones. As long as they get a good dev with this phone to help port.
CPU didnt see near the gain I had hoped it would.
ya the CPU is getting destroyed by the N1. And what is with the ridiculous I/O. Did someone port a PCI express array of SSD's on the Vibrant? Maybe they just developed the GOD file system.
I make jokes, but I want the screen of my Fascinate to say 3439 also haha
I am on a mesmerize niw coming from a vibrant. I used this kernel. There was a timing issue. The io scores come from oclf which cheats quadrant. Those guys have released a pretty stable 1.4 oc that is real. I got 68 fps in neocore. Truth be told guys there is no need for oc in my opinion. With froyo the phone plays flash easily. Only application of oc to me is emulation and bragging rights. A good voodoo kernel works wonders honestly.
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wooow way to bring this one back from the dead
I've run my E3D stock at 1.2 Ghz and I've run it overclocked under temp root at 1.7 Ghz. Sure my benchmarks are higher @ 1.7, but as a practical matter, do I notice the phone working any faster?
Not really.
It is like driving 150 vs 120. 150 is faster but does it really seem that much faster? (I've driven both speeds and I can tell you it doesn't). At some point our phones are "fast enough" for the software we throw at them. Now I admit I'm not a phone gamer so I cannot comment on the effect of overclocking on games, but just day-to-day desktop stuff, nah, no difference as far as I can tell.
Add to this that it is likely that additional speed is chewing through more battery faster and it hardly seems worth it. Without upping the voltage, your phone will likely be more unstable overclocked and with more voltage will likely have a shorter life or get cooked altogether.
For me, I'll probably just leave the speed stock.
I'm not saying I am "right" about this. Just my opinion at this point in time. YMMV.
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This is agreed up to a point. Sooner or later they will be creating apps and OS' that will truly utilize the full dual cores potential within the phone. I personally believe that up until that point the OP is 100% right on. But once this does happen, these apps will become more and more processor heavy. And once that happens, I believe we'll be back in the same boat as before and 1.2 vs. 1.7 will actually make a bit of a difference to the typical end user (and not just by benchmark enthusiasts).
The only reason I believe this to be true is look at how PCs and laptops evolved. We got dual core processors and apps weren't quite using the full potential, then as time went on and programmers started utilizing the full processing capabilities of dual/quad cores (& as these processors became more and more common) the differences began to matter again. That's just my 2 cents & I could be completely wrong, but just wanted to share my thoughts. Good topic though
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I've run my E3D stock at 1.2 Ghz and I've run it overclocked under temp root at 1.7 Ghz. Sure my benchmarks are higher @ 1.7, but as a practical matter, do I notice the phone working any faster?
Not really.
It is like driving 150 vs 120. 150 is faster but does it really seem that much faster? (I've driven both speeds and I can tell you it doesn't). At some point our phones are "fast enough" for the software we throw at them. Now I admit I'm not a phone gamer so I cannot comment on the effect of overclocking on games, but just day-to-day desktop stuff, nah, no difference as far as I can tell.
Add to this that it is likely that additional speed is chewing through more battery faster and it hardly seems worth it. Without upping the voltage, your phone will likely be more unstable overclocked and with more voltage will likely have a shorter life or get cooked altogether.
For me, I'll probably just leave the speed stock.
I'm not saying I am "right" about this. Just my opinion at this point in time. YMMV.
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lol i did this once gotta love having multiple tabs and think you clicked on the right one ya? least thats what happend to me when i did it
I agree with you. Even in the games i play there is almost no difference, except that the battery gets drained faster because of the higher voltage.
P.s. wrong section, rable, rable, rable
I kinda agree with you in the matter of it not making a HUGE difference. But when I'm overclocked to 1.7, I do notice that it seems to scroll smoother. But that's the only difference I can see.
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I'm comin from a heroc running 768 so 1.2g MORE than enough for me. Besides any faster an yer batterys gonna last w couple hours.
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I'm comin from a heroc running 768 so 1.2g MORE than enough for me. Besides any faster an yer batterys gonna last w couple hours.
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This would be my philosophy. A 1.2 GHz Dual Core is absolutely insane compared to what us Hero users used to have to deal with. My phone couldn't even handle 768, it was stable at 691.
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This would be my philosophy. A 1.2 GHz Dual Core is absolutely insane compared to what us Hero users used to have to deal with. My phone couldn't even handle 768, it was stable at 691.
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Yeah... My poor heros still mad at me.
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I have my 3D oc'ed to 1.5 and ever so slightly undervolt to 1175000 (too many zeroes?)
Totally stable for me. Battery doesn't seem effected much.
Of course I haven't done heavy gaming yet. So. I dunno. I'm still in the honeymoon phase of just being Able to overclock, ya know. Lol.
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I have my 3D oc'ed to 1.5 and ever so slightly undervolt to 1175000 (too many zeroes?)
Totally stable for me. Battery doesn't seem effected much.
Of course I haven't done heavy gaming yet. So. I dunno. I'm still in the honeymoon phase of just being Able to overclock, ya know. Lol.
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I dont know what the stock voltage is, but wouldnt this essentially balance out the extra battery draw from running a slightly higher clock?
Faster, Stronger .. make it so.
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I've overclocked mine a few days, now I'm at stock 1.2 almost no difference. Running the script for overclock is nice though because it allows the use of apps like setcpu. That way profiles can be set for temperature and battery charge level.
As for overclocking because its awesome fast... No need, sweet the way it is.
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I've run my E3D stock at 1.2 Ghz and I've run it overclocked under temp root at 1.7 Ghz. Sure my benchmarks are higher @ 1.7, but as a practical matter, do I notice the phone working any faster?
Not really.
It is like driving 150 vs 120. 150 is faster but does it really seem that much faster? (I've driven both speeds and I can tell you it doesn't). At some point our phones are "fast enough" for the software we throw at them. Now I admit I'm not a phone gamer so I cannot comment on the effect of overclocking on games, but just day-to-day desktop stuff, nah, no difference as far as I can tell.
Add to this that it is likely that additional speed is chewing through more battery faster and it hardly seems worth it. Without upping the voltage, your phone will likely be more unstable overclocked and with more voltage will likely have a shorter life or get cooked altogether.
For me, I'll probably just leave the speed stock.
I'm not saying I am "right" about this. Just my opinion at this point in time. YMMV.
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I agree. It doesn't feel much if any faster and is probably needlessly using excess battey.
On the otherhand, I find there to be a pretty big difference between driving 120, 150, or even 170 mph.
mitchellvii said:
I've run my E3D stock at 1.2 Ghz and I've run it overclocked under temp root at 1.7 Ghz. Sure my benchmarks are higher @ 1.7, but as a practical matter, do I notice the phone working any faster?
Not really.
It is like driving 150 vs 120. 150 is faster but does it really seem that much faster? (I've driven both speeds and I can tell you it doesn't). At some point our phones are "fast enough" for the software we throw at them. Now I admit I'm not a phone gamer so I cannot comment on the effect of overclocking on games, but just day-to-day desktop stuff, nah, no difference as far as I can tell.
Add to this that it is likely that additional speed is chewing through more battery faster and it hardly seems worth it. Without upping the voltage, your phone will likely be more unstable overclocked and with more voltage will likely have a shorter life or get cooked altogether.
For me, I'll probably just leave the speed stock.
I'm not saying I am "right" about this. Just my opinion at this point in time. YMMV.
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I overclock because it makes my friends with lame iPhones jealous.
bavman said:
I agree with you. Even in the games i play there is almost no difference, except that the battery gets drained faster because of the higher voltage.
P.s. wrong section, rable, rable, rable
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You goto KU?
Nice internet speeds, dorm/campus internet sucked when I was there
Once there's permanent root and htc releases the kernel source, will our phones be able to be over clocked higher then 1.7?
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I overclock because it makes my friends with lame iPhones jealous.
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Okay, so I just ran the CPU Benchmark test and got 1100mhz and 1000mhz with 430ms and 497ms.
What's everyone else getting? Just curious to compare numbers.
I stop benchmarking back when i had the heroc lol. Scores don't really mean anything. ****ty phones out score dual core phones at times, so my advice would be 2 just delete any benchmark apps on your phone asap or scores will drive you crazy...take it from someone thats owned at least 15 android devices since launch its for the best.
FYI overclocking is out and undervolting is in. These days these phones are already fast enough id undervolt to save battery
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I stop benchmarking back when i had the heroc lol. Scores don't really mean anything. ****ty phones out score dual core phones at times, so my advice would be 2 just delete any benchmark apps on your phone asap or scores will drive you crazy...take it from someone thats owned at least 15 android devices since launch its for the best.
FYI overclocking is out and undervolting is in. These days these phones are already fast enough id undervolt to save battery
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That is your opinion, and to me your opinion is bleh. I love benchmarks and they do mean quite a bit regardless of what you might think. Undervolting isn't in for me at all, I want max overclock with max over volt. I care less about battery saving, these phones do not save battery and minusing a little voltage from the CPU will not only make it severely unstable it is sometimes worse than overvolting. I have been overclocking since the 333mhz CPU. And I can tell you that benchmarks do mean a lot, they tell you quite a bit about your setup and what you could improve on. Not just one single benchmark, you would need a few. That is my main reason for flashing. I want a fast phone, not just fast, faster than yours! That is just how I am.
I would not suggest deleting your benchmarks, keep them, and compare, always, then you will know your phone, and I mean really know your phone. That is my opinion, and it ROCKS!
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No offense Kenny, just a little drunk, having some fun!
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That is your opinion, and to me your opinion is bleh. I love benchmarks and they do mean quite a bit regardless of what you might think. Undervolting isn't in for me at all, I want max overclock with max over volt. I care less about battery saving, these phones do not save battery and minusing a little voltage from the CPU will not only make it severely unstable it is sometimes worse than overvolting. I have been overclocking since the 333mhz CPU. And I can tell you that benchmarks do mean a lot, they tell you quite a bit about your setup and what you could improve on. Not just one single benchmark, you would need a few. That is my main reason for flashing. I want a fast phone, not just fast, faster than yours! That is just how I am.
I would not suggest deleting your benchmarks, keep them, and compare, always, then you will know your phone, and I mean really know your phone. That is my opinion, and it ROCKS!
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No offense Kenny, just a little drunk, having some fun!
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That's cool i respect your opinion dude but you'll learn someday that with Android benchmarks don't mean ****. Why care who's phone scores the highest i could care less abt adding inches to my e-penis. Also, Undervolting has been around for a while and isn't unstable where have you been? You might be one of the few people who still believes overclocking is the ****.....
I know how fast my phone is based on performance and benchmark apps arent an indicator of speed/performance. Most bench apps only run one core to test they don't support dual so?
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I stop benchmarking back when i had the heroc lol. Scores don't really mean anything. ****ty phones out score dual core phones at times, so my advice would be 2 just delete any benchmark apps on your phone asap or scores will drive you crazy...take it from someone thats owned at least 15 android devices since launch its for the best.
FYI overclocking is out and undervolting is in. These days these phones are already fast enough id undervolt to save battery
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+1 about scores, they can easily be manipulated for e-penis reasons, CM on the evo3d is stupid fast, but I read benchmarks are horrible. Evo3d is a faster phone but the proton scores significantly higher is a good example, I frequently get lag on my MoPho.
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+1 about scores, they can easily be manipulated for e-penis reasons, CM on the evo3d is stupid fast, but I read benchmarks are horrible. Evo3d is a faster phone but the proton scores significantly higher is a good example, I frequently get lag on my MoPho.
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Very true, my photon scored higher than my evo 3D across the board but i know the 1.2 dual snapdragon can out perform the tegra 2 anyday. Owning a 3D for a month was awful though lol. So glad i got my photon.
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That's cool i respect your opinion dude but you'll learn someday that with Android benchmarks don't mean ****. Why care who's phone scores the highest i could care less abt adding inches to my e-penis. Also, Undervolting has been around for a while and isn't unstable where have you been? You might be one of the few people who still believes overclocking is the ****.....
I know how fast my phone is based on performance and benchmark apps arent an indicator of speed/performance. Most bench apps only run one core to test they don't support dual so?
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I do think overclocking is the ****. I do it as a passion, but undervolting isn't the best way to go. Yes it can be stable with undervolting, but I think you can go way to far also. And there are apps out there that test both cores, and there will be more out there that test both cores. Dual-core phones are still pretty new. But its really a moot point, I like it, you don't, we can leave it at that. I am going to try to start working on kernels myself and learning about them. Maybe I will come up with something you like that gets the best of both worlds. I would love for there to be a kernel out that you could just switch modes. High performance, and low battery use. etc. I don't just mean governor switching, switching the kernel, I'm sure that would require just reflashing different kernels, but maybe someday it wont.
-DJ
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Very true, my photon scored higher than my evo 3D across the board but i know the 1.2 dual snapdragon can out perform the tegra 2 anyday. Owning a 3D for a month was awful though lol. So glad i got my photon.
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I believe you are completely wrong here, the 3d sucked. The Photon can crush that snapdragon chip. I too had the 3d, but I know the Photon outperforms that thing by a long shot. The 3d was an asynchronous processor, the tegra is not.
http://www.intomobile.com/2011/03/24/nvidia-tegra-2-outperforms-qualcomm-dualcore-1015/
I found this to be quite neat:
As an upstart in the mobile industry, NVIDIA is moving at a lightning-fast pace. The company is already working on a quad-core processor called Kal-El and this should be in a retail product as early as August.
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Ppl say snapdragon is faster because of what the chip can do theoretically but in real world it can only playback 1080p videos smoother.
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I have both the evo3d and the photon, I know for a fact that the evo3d is faster, the E3d overall just feels snappier and never had a problem with lag. The proton on the other hand would frequently lag when im running tune in and using another app like the browser or while texting. The EVO or the evo3d never did that. Ill go out and say that I feel the proton is all around better phone as far as build and quality goes, but it does not beat the Evo3d as far as processing power, multitasking and efficiency, and that's in real world use.
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I have both the evo3d and the photon, I know for a fact that the evo3d is faster, the E3d overall just feels snappier and never had a problem with lag. The proton on the other hand would frequently lag when im running tune in and using another app like the browser or while texting. The EVO or the evo3d never did that. Ill go out and say that I feel the proton is all around better phone as far as build and quality goes, but it does not beat the Evo3d as far as processing power, multitasking and efficiency, and that's in real world use.
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^^^^^ +1 on this. Tegra is more about gpu/gfx while dual snap dragon is all about raw processing power. Though this is my first tegra device and i must say its amazing but the dual snap has more power. Im a huge nvidia fan by the way and these processors are just amazing. Cant wait to see tablets shipping with quad core nvidia processors!
Yea I never really played any games, my evo3d had too many touch screen issues lol.
I won't own another HTC phone. I don't care what processor it has. Unless it can either A) Dive for me or B) Build my cars I have no interest what so ever in it. So I'm happy with the chipset we have. :]
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^^^^^ +1 on this. Tegra is more about gpu/gfx while dual snap dragon is all about raw processing power. Though this is my first tegra device and i must say its amazing but the dual snap has more power. Im a huge nvidia fan by the way and these processors are just amazing. Cant wait to see tablets shipping with quad core nvidia processors!
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I don't think you even read my link, it is proven that the tegra has 10-15% more power thn the snap. regardless of what you think you can 'feel' real numbers do tell quite a bit. More than you can tell by 'feeling'.
Not saying that your specific phone isn't faster than your specific other phone, but in real time and real life, the tegra is 10-15% faster than the snap. Sorry.
-DJ
I have the Photon, Evo 3d, and Now the Epic, and still have my OG Evo, here are my personal stats
Photon: amazing and the smoothest for gaming
Evo 3d: pretty much amazing with everything
Epic: fast and smooth and best for battery life
OG Evo: best for customization, ROM flashing, kernal flashing, and for lasting the longest out of every sprint smartphone
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I don't think you even read my link, it is proven that the tegra has 10-15% more power thn the snap. regardless of what you think you can 'feel' real numbers do tell quite a bit. More than you can tell by 'feeling'.
Not saying that your specific phone isn't faster than your specific other phone, but in real time and real life, the tegra is 10-15% faster than the snap. Sorry.
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Lol you're funny bro. I did read your link and it doesn't prove anything. You give me a link from a site dated 3/24/11 when the 3D wasn't even around neither were dual core snap dragons and you expect me to just all of a sudden believe a tegra 2 can out perform a dual snap? Lololol you're getting your information from some site thats barely credible and they start their article with "NVIDIA SAID". No **** nvidia will SAY their product is better bro! Just because that site said 10-15% in march doesnt mean its proven. Cmon dude you can do better than that, thanks for the morning laugh though! Now let me tell you again, dual core snap dragon packs more POWER than the tegra 2 and out performs it no matter what old outdated article you're believing in! SORRY....
Dual core snap dragon runs circles around the tegra 2. Talking out of your ass is never a good idea
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I downloaded a couple of games off the nvidia game zone, I am very impressed with the quality of games and how well they run. Im gonna probably sink a lot of money into it lol. As far as nvidia vs snapdragon, its all and always been about personal preference. Both perform well for what they're designed to do.
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Lol you're funny bro. I did read your link and it doesn't prove anything. You give me a link from a site dated 3/24/11 when the 3D wasn't even around neither were dual core snap dragons and you expect me to just all of a sudden believe a tegra 2 can out perform a dual snap? Lololol you're getting your information from some site thats barely credible and they start their article with "NVIDIA SAID". No **** nvidia will SAY their product is better bro! Just because that site said 10-15% in march doesnt mean its proven. Cmon dude you can do better than that, thanks for the morning laugh though! Now let me tell you again, dual core snap dragon packs more POWER than the tegra 2 and out performs it no matter what old outdated article you're believing in! SORRY....
Dual core snap dragon runs circles around the tegra 2. Talking out of your ass is never a good idea
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/8484/20110912125517.jpg
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Woah bud, I never meant it like that. But an asynchronous cpu will not out perform our tegra2 chips, sorry but you are wrong. I am not sure as to why the hostility, was just making you aware of yes, what nvidia said, but it is true. That is simple physics. Thats why when the evo 3d got overclocked the performance increase wasn't ****. I had one too, I know all about it. One of the reasons I got the photon. But no matter, believe whatever you want. No sweat off my back. Those benchmarks mean nothing to me by the way, sorry.
Hard to have a simple debate on these forums. Sucks
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Woah bud, I never meant it like that. But an asynchronous cpu will not out perform our tegra2 chips, sorry but you are wrong. I am not sure as to why the hostility, was just making you aware of yes, what nvidia said, but it is true. That is simple physics. Thats why when the evo 3d got overclocked the performance increase wasn't ****. I had one too, I know all about it. One of the reasons I got the photon. But no matter, believe whatever you want. No sweat off my back. Those benchmarks mean nothing to me by the way, sorry.
Hard to have a simple debate on these forums. Sucks
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Those benchmarks mean nothing but some random site that simply said its 10% better does lol? What are you going to base you statement off then? Can make a claim without facts right? I gave you facts that REAL WORLD test prove dual snapdragon is more powerful, faster, and etc. You're just saying "sorry you're wrong" id say you're the one that doesn't know how to debate. I mean you're asking for a debate but you got nothing but your word and some sketchy old website....lol
So I installed SetCPU today. Been testing the kernels ability to work underclocked at the max of 918mhz. Also set the scaling to conservative. After a days use it's been as good as normal full speed, 1512mhz
The battery lasted throughout the day, compared to my first two days of stock settings with only 6 hours of good use.
I'll keep playing. Still want to do some testing and benchmarks to make sure it's not under performing. But at least at the user level it seems to react the same.no lag.
I did confirm the clock speed out side of SetCPU using system panel.
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Don't bother using benchmarks to rate a phones performance that is a fatal error there. Benchmarks never effectively rate a phones performance. I just go by how smooth the phone runs and it does it run everything I throw at it. If so gg pz end of story.
zetsumeikuro said:
Don't bother using benchmarks to rate a phones performance that is a fatal error there. Benchmarks never effectively rate a phones performance. I just go by how smooth the phone runs and it does it run everything I throw at it. If so gg pz end of story.
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True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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Izeltokatl said:
True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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Well whatever works for you. Just saying Quadrant is a poor tool to use to bench for many reasons which I won't go over. Antutu is nice for SD speed testing I think, oter than that meh. Benches are just for numbers for people to flex their epeens with. They just really don't truly gauge a devices performance.
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Well whatever works for you. Just saying Quadrant is a poor tool to use to bench for many reasons which I won't go over. Antutu is nice for SD speed testing I think, oter than that meh. Benches are just for numbers for people to flex their epeens with. They just really don't truly gauge a devices performance.
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Benchmarks do have a some good uses... while comparing different phone models with benchmarks can be iffy, it can give an overall insight, (things like graphics capabilities with very GPU extensive games) but in the end user experience and daily use are the real judges.
Where benchmarks can be of the most use, is when comparing changes to the same phone model.
E.G. Comparing performance impacts of AOSP vs Sense, overclocking and under-clocking, and de-sensing/bloat removal.
When used for these reasons, you can get a really good feel for how changes are affecting your device overall. Even then, benchmarks are not the be all end all, and user experience is still important. As you may introduce lag or other performance issues that do not show up in benchmarks.
Which temp root method are you using? Mine isn't staying rooted long enough for me to justify using setCPU at all...
The new version and the one that comes with the newest clean tool stays until reboot.
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The new version and the one that comes with the newest clean tool stays until reboot.
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Thx for the info, guess I must still be using the outdated method. I'll run the latest version of Scott's Clean tool and give it a shot.
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So I installed SetCPU today. Been testing the kernels ability to work underclocked at the max of 918mhz. Also set the scaling to conservative. After a days use it's been as good as normal full speed, 1512mhz
The battery lasted throughout the day, compared to my first two days of stock settings with only 6 hours of good use.
I'll keep playing. Still want to do some testing and benchmarks to make sure it's not under performing. But at least at the user level it seems to react the same.no lag.
I did confirm the clock speed out side of SetCPU using system panel.
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Please let us know what settings you use that work for you.
I generally stay temprooted unless I'm going to be away from a charger for a bit and need BT (since you can't turn BT back on after temproot). I wouldn't have SetCPU autostart on boot (since it won't ever be able to get root access immediately after boot).
Meanwhile, I also set it to conservative and will see what that accomplishes.
A kernel needs to support setcpu, stock kernels do not. You need to flash a custom kernel, so you need a development phone or s-off.
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This kernel apparently does work with SetCPU. I've confirmed using other cpu monitoring apps that the clock speed changes are capped.
I own 7 android phones, and have been rooting, overclocking, undervolting each and every single one of them (well one I still cant get rooted). I know when the cpu is under clocked and when it is not. Been doing these tweaks for 4 years now. If you use a tool like System Panel, at stock settings you can see the max cpu around 1500 on our little bad boy. When it peaks out the clock speed is shown. When you under clock it, then check again it won't go beyond the max cpu set in my testing I put a ceiling at 918mhz. System Panel reported full CPU usage (100%) at clock speed 918mhz. Typically with stock kernels, your absolutely right, changes to SetCPU do nothing at all to the real cpu. Which is confirmed, when I reboot and dont have root, if I attempt to use SetCPU and make the changes, System Panel reports 1500mhz (roughly) at full load regardless of what I set it to in SetCPU. If I did this to any of my other phones with stock kernels, you are correct it makes no difference as SystemPanel reports the stock max setting.
No I'm not being mean or aggressive, just saying. =-) And no don't believe me, but test it yourself and confirm or prove me wrong some other way and I admit error. Either way, half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should not do.
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A kernel needs to support setcpu, stock kernels do not. You need to flash a custom kernel, so you need a development phone or s-off.
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No I'm not being mean or aggressive, just saying. =-) And no don't believe me, but test it yourself and confirm or prove me wrong some other way and I admit error. Either way, half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should not do.
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Or I would say, "half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should have always been allowed to do...." Just sayin'.
Are you using the profiles at all? Im interested to know what seems to be working out the best for you.
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True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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In my view, the "benchmarks" would be an OK measurement if you were comparing apples to apples.
I tried running both Linpack and Quadrant on the very recently and dearly departed Incredible right after a fresh reboot and having charged the battery overnight...when the thing should have been at it's freshest.
I got wildly different scores each time I ran it after a reboot...knowing that on both programs the scores would improve the more times you ran the test.
It didn't seem to me that either program was a reliable indicator of what my phone was capable of. I didn't even trust them to tell me whether something I'd done...cleared cache or deleted bloatware...had any real effect.
It simply boils down to how the phone feels. That's not scientific, but it works for me.
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In my view, the "benchmarks" would be an OK measurement if you were comparing apples to apples.
I tried running both Linpack and Quadrant on the very recently and dearly departed Incredible right after a fresh reboot and having charged the battery overnight...when the thing should have been at it's freshest.
I got wildly different scores each time I ran it after a reboot...knowing that on both programs the scores would improve the more times you ran the test.
It didn't seem to me that either program was a reliable indicator of what my phone was capable of. I didn't even trust them to tell me whether something I'd done...cleared cache or deleted bloatware...had any real effect.
It simply boils down to how the phone feels. That's not scientific, but it works for me.
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Linpack and Quadrant are not reliable benchmarks. TBH I don't take any of the benchmarks seriously, they are more for entertainment for me. But to each their own right?
Yeah some of the benchmark apps are a bit unreliable to say the least...
If I use one, I try to use ones that Anandtech uses. I trust them to find the better benchmark tools.
Samsung Galaxy note 2 for JB ROMs. Like I have MeanBean there is only 3 but I been using saber??
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Samsung Galaxy note 2 for JB ROMs. Like I have MeanBean there is only 3 but I been using saber??
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I have run PBJ, Saber, Perseus and Beans Stock so far (all on Beans ROM). I only messed with overclocking and undervolting on perseus and frankly didn't notice any real difference. For me Beans Stock has been the best for battery life (just cracked 2 days on a charge with 3 hours of screen time), but even that is only slightly better then I got with the other kernels. As for performance the phone is so good I can't honestly say one is better than any of the others. I am sure some people can post some test scores that show one being better than the other, but I am not sure in the real world there are major differences.
Alright thanks
I like my kernel Really, stock is already pretty good. For what 95% of users need, it will do just fine. My kernel just strips out a lot of stuff from stock and leaves you with pretty much just what is needed for the kernel to run, not much more. Overclocking isn't going to do much for you outside of getting pretty benchmark numbers. Undervolting also isn't going to do much for battery life as you won't be able to drop the voltages enough to do anything appreciable. Having 50 different I/O schedulers and CPU Governors is great on paper, but really, most of them aren't going to improve performance or help battery life.
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I like my kernel Really, stock is already pretty good. For what 95% of users need, it will do just fine. My kernel just strips out a lot of stuff from stock and leaves you with pretty much just what is needed for the kernel to run, not much more. Overclocking isn't going to do much for you outside of getting pretty benchmark numbers. Undervolting also isn't going to do much for battery life as you won't be able to drop the voltages enough to do anything appreciable. Having 50 different I/O schedulers and CPU Governors is great on paper, but really, most of them aren't going to improve performance or help battery life.
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Alright thanks
I have Perseus installed strictly for the screen tuning. If not for that one feature, I'd be on stock.
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imnuts said:
I like my kernel Really, stock is already pretty good. For what 95% of users need, it will do just fine. My kernel just strips out a lot of stuff from stock and leaves you with pretty much just what is needed for the kernel to run, not much more. Overclocking isn't going to do much for you outside of getting pretty benchmark numbers. Undervolting also isn't going to do much for battery life as you won't be able to drop the voltages enough to do anything appreciable. Having 50 different I/O schedulers and CPU Governors is great on paper, but really, most of them aren't going to improve performance or help battery life.
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For what it's worth, PBJ was a close second on my device to Beans Stock. I would rank them 1 and 1a. I totally agree on the OC and UV comments...I tinkered with them a lot and it didn't seem to do anything. Appreciate your work...I was a Tweaked devotee on the droid charge.
Something that people probably don't realize, overclocking and undervolting will negatively affect the power usage stats in Settings. They are based on specific power usage levels for each frequency, and if you add frequencies or change voltages from stock, the stats won't work correctly. Will it be a big difference? No, but it will be affected nonetheless. It wouldn't make the battery drain faster or slower, but it would affect what application(s) the system sees as using the most battery.
Alright so if I use your kernel it won't miss up MeanBean stuff?? Are should I just leave it stock
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Samsung Galaxy note 2 for JB ROMs. Like I have MeanBean there is only 3 but I been using saber??
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Subjective questions and what they do for you:
As a member of many different forums and networks, I see people asking subjective questions all the time and wanted to expand on them and what they do for the person asking.
I am going to use the topic of smartphones for the purpose of this post as it's easily the most frequent.
People always ask what launcher they should use, or what app works best for something etc..
Typically my answer [albeit cold and withdrawn] would be something like, "try all of them and choose the one that works best for you". This response is usually met with hurt feelings or some troll itching to lash out and pull his keyboard commando card.
I will liken this scenario to a car or truck. If someone were to ask me or you what make and model of car you drive and what you like, you could easily answer Kia [I'm using what I drive as an example here]. Then typically they would say they heard Chevy was better or Ford has something similar blah blah blah.
Ok, then if Chevy makes something better then why the hell did you ask me?! This type of question is always subjective because it builds on my personal choice. My preference. But the person asking the question almost always has their own preference or bias which taints the question to begin with.
Any question that asks a person or group of people for an answer that is inherently based off of personal preference begs to be answered the same way. It also makes the person who asked the question look stupid because they were too lazy to simply try the options and make a calculated decision themselves. They don't have the capacity to form an answer of their own. This is the uneducated method.
So when someone asks me which launcher I choose, I could answer Apex Pro. But that's only because it works well for my needs and my application which is specific to me and me only. Hundreds or thousands of people will argue why Nova, Launcher Pro, Chameleon or one of the many other launchers is better. This is an endless argument as again, the best launcher is the one that works best for you. On your phone. With the apps you have installed. The way you use your phone. The same holds true for kernels. Case closed.
Subjective questions will almost always be met with subjective answers. The easy way to not make yourself look and come off as lazy or stupid is to try things yourself and decide which works best for you in your specific situation.