[UPDATE 1]
Please regard 3G+ as H. I apologise for the stuff up.
The first option "Other than 3G/3G+" should also include H and that is basically G or E that I'm after there.
I am very aware that the Lumias should be at least 3G (unless your stuck with a bad carrier).
The purpose for this thread is to identify whether a particular ROM or the phone Model (ie. RM-801, RM-819)
make a difference regarding the network speed.
I am also identifying whether there is a difference between an RM-801 sold in Australia, Taiwan and HK as
I have purchased my handsets overseas.
Please supply the model (ie. RM-801, RM-819) as well as your ROM Region if known when posting.
I am asking because I've been trying to work out the difference in the Models.
My personal Experience:
Purchased 3 Nokia 800s
2 from HK and 1 from TW
None connect to 3G+/H (EVER) My Omnia 7 does.
What I've attempted so far:
Phone 1: Running Optus specific ROM for RM-801
Result: No 3G+/H
Phone 2: Running Australian ROM (not branded to carrier) for RM-819 I think.
Result: No 3G+/H
Phone 3: Unmodified.
[UPDATE 2]
I have a H showing on Phone 2 using a RM-819 ROM. Since I'm not 100% sure what exact ROM I have used, i will investigate this "fix" using the third Nokia. Basically for some reason after using the Nokia Network Connection app, flicking from Optus to Virgin Mobile, restarting phone and flicking back to optus finally gave me the H symbol and verified the speed via ozspeedtest.com and mobilespeedtest.com.
I have attempted the same process on Phone 1 with RM-801 ROM and it actually caused the opposite! I shouldn't have touched it as connected via 3G but gave me awesome speeds (2.2Mbps). After performing the Nokia Network connection process as described above, it definitely slowed everything down! Down to 90kbps!
Lumia handsets do not show a 3G+. They will show a H when you are using HSDPA. Do your handsets only ever show 3G and never a H? You need to make sure the handsets you have support the 900 band to work with Optus in Australia. There is a bug where Telstra handsets do not show a H right now but dispite that they are using Telstra's NextG network still but all Optus handsets in Australia should show a H without any issues.
Here in Germany my unbranded device gets 3G as well as H.
G, 3G and H in Spain.
Thats what I said.... but there is no 3G+ simbol.
Thanks guys.
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Lumia handsets do not show a 3G+. They will show a H when you are using HSDPA. Do your handsets only ever show 3G and never a H? You need to make sure the handsets you have support the 900 band to work with Optus in Australia. There is a bug where Telstra handsets do not show a H right now but dispite that they are using Telstra's NextG network still but all Optus handsets in Australia should show a H without any issues.
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Yes, my handsets only ever show 3G, never the H. I have seen E but that is when connection is just poor. My Omnia 7 shows 3G+ and the Lumias never do.
These three phones were overseas models RM-801 (which is the same model that Optus supplies here) I have restored them to the OPTUS ROM using NaviFirm+ and Nokia Suite but still receive no H.
I get only E or H, no 3G symbol. Did you try restoring them to a rom made for a different region?
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Thats strange, I have a Telstra handset and while it only shows 3G I still get NextG coverage (easy to tell when I can still make calls from my work office but no one else on Optus or Voda can) and my work friend has an Optus one and it switches between 3G and H. I checked it again today when doing nothing it showed a 3G and when I went to a speed test app it went to H when downloading. Did you cut your own microsim from a standard SIM? have you tried a friends SIM card to see what happens?
believe it or not, I too experienced the same issue with a cyan lumia 800 unlocked from the UK, where even when I was downloading things, it would not change from 3G!!
I'm using it in sydney, australia on the TPG network, and while i was on 11451 firmware - not only would it not show an update to 12070 via zune, it would never show me H.
I took it to nokia care in parramatta to try and get it updated - see my last post here http://discussions.europe.nokia.com...800-1600-2487-8107-12070/td-p/1341093/page/15 (username cdayo - message 298 on page 15) - to get the full story on what happened there.
But basically after they flashed an unknown rom onto it (i'm assuming some aussie telco's one but it is fully unbranded so i'm not sure), it is now showing H!!!! Additionally, the carrier label used to say YES OPTUS, but after they flashed it to 12070 it now says TPG. Everything is working nicely.
P.S. you might want to change the poll to include a H option lol - if its possible
I've got an unbranded Cyan 800 from the UK and am using it with AT&T in Seattle. Depending on where I am, I've seen G, E, 3G, and H.
G and 3G appear when 2G and 3G signals are too weak. E and H appear when they're stronger.
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Thats strange, I have a Telstra handset and while it only shows 3G I still get NextG coverage (easy to tell when I can still make calls from my work office but no one else on Optus or Voda can) and my work friend has an Optus one and it switches between 3G and H. I checked it again today when doing nothing it showed a 3G and when I went to a speed test app it went to H when downloading. Did you cut your own microsim from a standard SIM? have you tried a friends SIM card to see what happens?
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The SIM is definitely from optus, no dodgy cutting
Regarding your comment on you getting perfect reception on Telstra v your friend's Optus, not surprised at all on that one OPTUS sucks for reception and I can't wait for the contracts to expire. But my optus rant aside, I am aware that H (or 3G+) should only show when you download, same happens on my Omnia 7 but the nokias don't show either even when I compare side by side.
I've never seen an H, just 3G and E. I just thought that the Lumia worked that way.
Telstra Branded Lumia 800 (RM-819)
Hi all
New to the WP7 scene! Love the look and feel of WP7.
I'm aware of the Telstra issues with it not showing H but only 3g but i'm having issues with the reception. I was using a HTC Sensation and was getting pretty much full reception but in the Lumia with Telstra's blue tick i'm only getting 3 or 4 bars. I also have a Motorola Defy which is also Telstra blue tick and it is always full reception.
Anyone know of a good speed test for network on WP7?
Cheers
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...Anyone know of a good speed test for network on WP7?
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Hi,
I use:
http://www.ozspeedtest.com/legacy-bandwidth-test/optus-speed-test/1/2
I'm disappointed. I have a RM-819. I have been all around town and I get 3G. Slow 3G, like iPhone 3G, always under 1 mbps. If I put my SIM in an unlocked HTC Radar (yes, a T-Mobile phone), it registers 4G and I get 5-7 mbps. My Lumia 900 gets solid LTE, but that's neither here nor there.
My question is, why can't the Lumia 800, supposedly designed for AT&T for the US market, keep up with the Radar? They support the same bands (T-Mobile doesn't tell you about the 850 support, but HTC documents confirm that it's there.) They have the same cpu/gpu/radio controller.
It sounds like other are getting faux-G speeds on their Lumia - are there specific APN settings that have to go in?
I was sitting here minding my own business when i switched on my lumia and i got the "H" connection on my RM-819. So i thought cool there has been an update for it so i rebooted to see if it was a permanent fix but unfortunately it reverted back to 3g after the reboot...
about 2 hours later i was playing on it again and it again popped up the "H" so this time i watched it and it lasted about 30 seconds and dropped back to 3g... and stayed that way since...
on telstra in Australia... weird...
update ....................
ok so today i got the "H" again and its staying on... wonder if telstra is getting ready for the tango update hope so!
I'm looking at buying a Nokia Lumia 800 from the UK locked on the O2 network.
I live in Perth, Australia.
I figure I can get it unlocked pretty easily. Will the UK version of the 800 work fine in Australia..? Any issues?
'Tron said:
I'm looking at buying a Nokia Lumia 800 from the UK locked on the O2 network.
I live in Perth, Australia.
I figure I can get it unlocked pretty easily. Will the UK version of the 800 work fine in Australia..? Any issues?
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Vodafone Australia uses the RM-819 model (850mhz). The UK model is RM-801 which uses the 900mhz band. The UK model would probably work, but not nearly as well as the RM-819.
ibjaredu said:
Vodafone Australia uses the RM-819 model (850mhz). The UK model is RM-801 which uses the 900mhz band. The UK model would probably work, but not nearly as well as the RM-819.
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Thanks for the info.
Is there an 'international' version of the 800, or just the RM-819 & RM-801?
Also, are there different version of the Lumia 900? I've read the U.S. version is configured for a faster data connection.
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Thanks for the info.
Is there an 'international' version of the 800, or just the RM-819 & RM-801?
Also, are there different version of the Lumia 900? I've read the U.S. version is configured for a faster data connection.
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There are only the RM-801/819 variants of the Lumia 800. No "international" version to speak of.
The US Lumia 900 is configured for LTE. The international version is configured for HSPA/HSPA+.
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i bought it from e bay, after using that, never received the 3G signal. therefore my friend said it maybe introduced from USA. any way i can recognize my phone from USA or with UK? thanks
UK version has a chin and is boxy. US version no chin and rounded.
Also, if you are in the UK, and your Hero works as a phone *at all*, it is UK Hero! US Hero's are CDMA and there are no CDMA networks in the UK.
BTW - on another thread you said you were always getting HSDPA! You are aware that HSDPA is 3G? Note that on your phone H > 3G > G. If you are getting HSDPA all the time, rejoice!
Regards,
Dave
I just purchased an AT&T branded Titan for use on T Mobile here in the USA. I didn't do my research properly and I just assumed I would get at least 3G. It seems not. However all is not lost if I can just unlock it and use it on my trips back to Scotland.
If I unlock the AT&T Titan will I have any issues just popping a UK SIM in there? Does it run better on some providers?
Thanks
edderspcs said:
I just purchased an AT&T branded Titan for use on T Mobile here in the USA. I didn't do my research properly and I just assumed I would get at least 3G. It seems not. However all is not lost if I can just unlock it and use it on my trips back to Scotland.
If I unlock the AT&T Titan will I have any issues just popping a UK SIM in there? Does it run better on some providers?
Thanks
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You will need to check with the Carrier that you are going to use the Titan over there... and see which bands of HSDPA that they support. The UK Version of Titan seem to be supported 850/900/1900/2100 , but i don't think the AT&T version support 900 band tho. You will have to recheck.
Good Luck.
And yes, you need to get the SIM-Unlock code based on the IMEI of the phone and then you can insert any sim in and the phone will use it just fine as long as the carrier able to provide network for it.
Looks like you will only be able to use it on GPRS
UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ tri-band (2100/1900/850 MHz) and quad band GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900 MHz) and LTE BC4/BC17
Thanks for the replies. It makes no difference to me what network I use .
I'm having a hard time understanding the differences.
If I look at this page it lists what my phone supports..
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_titan-4027.php
Looking at this it seems my specs match up with most major UK providers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators_of_Europe#United_Kingdom
Therefore shouldn't it work?
If it is limited to GPRS what are the limitations?
Thanks
Yep in theory it should, Just double checked and I posted specs for Titan2 oops
At&t Titan ie: Frequencies HSPA+/WCDMA 850/1900/2100 MHz and Quad-band GSM/GPRS/Edge 850/900/1900 MHz, Its missing 1800mhz for UK which basically means you cannot use T-mobile or Orange, But Vodafone or O2 or anything running 900mhz should be fine.
The 2G band list says "quad-band" but then only lists 3 bands. I'll bet that's a typo and that all 4 bands are supported.
I've used my unlocked AT&T Titan with local SIMs in numerous countries on 2100MHz 3G... works great.
I have at&t Titan from US in London with O2. Sometimes it woks fine on 3G sometimes doesn't work at all. I forced it to use only 2G and then it works fine.To force the phone Enter code ##3282# Then go to the Three blue dots on the right corner go to settings and in network type choose 2G or 3G depending on what you want.
Received my Titan 2 today from Across the pond, It's at&t branded but unlocked, It is working fine and shows 4G lol, I know it is just a 3G connection but no problems using it on O2, Had to manually input APN settings in cellular and that was it
Well that smile didn't last long, Can't send pic messages, Any ideas?
Hi AndyFZ1S have you tried the connection setup application from htc? Thats what i usedwhen i moved here and it worked fine. Still my 3g connection is poor or inexistant is most areas, i believe at&t phones are missing one band.
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^@andres22, Thanks & yes have tried connection set-up but it says the carrier is not in the database etc, 3G works fine I just cannot send or receive picture messages, There is no option to manually put in the settings either so am kind of stuck really,
Uhmmm funny that my setup apolication has O2 settings and yours not. Sorry man. I cant think of anything else.
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No problem, It may well be you have a different database on your at&t Titan compared to the at&t Titan2, Never mind, Hopefully there will be a way to sort it.
I'm having similar issue with Titan 2 using on T-Mobile US. MMS is the only issue. T-Mobile does carry Nokia 710 and HTC Radar. I wonder if there is a way to get settings from those phones.
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The only way I can think of doing it is by flashing either a Stock Titan2 ROM (if it exists) or a custom one, That way Connection set-up would have most of the carriers in its database and not just at&t, But that won't be possible without HSPL or any ROMs, Maybe HTC could do something their end to update connection set-up etc?
Hello All,
I have just purchased a Lumia 920 RED. On the box it says Nokia 920.1 CV FR Rouge.
It then says GSM & WCDMA and a load of frequencies.
Will this support LTE for internet (if my provider supports LTE of course).
Thanks for your comments.
Nicholas Cross
Since no-one has answered, I sent an e-mail directly to Nokia. Here is the response that they sent. It answers the question very nicely.
Thank you for contacting us with your concern.
This is in reference to your email to us asking about the support of the Nokia Lumia 920 to LTE (Long-Term Evolution or 4G network). We are more than happy to assist you on this.
In response to your concern, please be advised that all Nokia Lumia 920s support 2G, 3G and 4G network/LTE. This means that the phone can be used with the fastest network connection yet. This, however, will depend on the network provider you will be using your phone with. For example, if your current network provider do not support 4G network, the device's LTE capability will not be utilised and 3G network will be used.
To confirm this issue, we suggest that you contact your network provider and ask them if they do offer 4G network as the phone supports it indeed.
Looks like you got the European model.
The EU model has different LTE frequencies than the American one.
So depending in what country you will be using this device and what provider, the phone may support or not 3G and/or 4GLTE.
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Looks like you got the European model.
The EU model has different LTE frequencies than the American one.
So depending in what country you will be using this device and what provider, the phone may support or not 3G and/or 4GLTE.
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Thanks for the response. Yes, I have the European version (since I live in Luxembourg). My question wasn't really whether it would get 3G here because of maybe not being on the right frequency, but whether it would get LTE since it didn't mention LTE on the box at all.
I have updated the rom a new version that the Nokia Care Suite found, and now it seems to have changed something because now it often shows that it is connecting as H+. I also asked my phone provider if they offer LTE on standard contracts, and they told me that they don't (for the moment) offer LTE on voice contracts. They only offer it on data ONLY contracts, so for the moment this means that H+ is the best that I can get.
So far, I am impressed with the device, but I am slightly concerned with the battery life. It doesn't seem to be as good as the HTC 7 Pro that I had before, and my wife's Lumia 900 also seems to get better battery life.
The device is new, so it could be that the battery needs "conditioning". Will see how things go.
Have a good weekend!!
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Thanks for the response. Yes, I have the European version (since I live in Luxembourg).
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CV FR means Country Variant France, so you got the french version. german, french an belgium version should all support LTE 800/900/1800/2100/2600 so you will be fine (luxembourg uses 900/1800). i don't think there exists a version of the NL920 without LTE, but you can easily check it. go to settings -> mobile network and see what you can choose for highest connection speed. there should be 3 options, 2G/3G/4G (with the old Firmware it was LTE instead of 4G)
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I also asked my phone provider if they offer LTE on standard contracts, and they told me that they don't (for the moment) offer LTE on voice contracts. They only offer it on data ONLY contracts, so for the moment this means that H+ is the best that I can get.
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Orange? They will offer LTE for voice contracts as soon as they get VoLTE ready. sometime in Q1 2013 if i remember correctly.
Thanks for the info regarding VoLTE!!
I had already checked the network settings, and that was why I was concerned. On my phone, it only offered 2G and 3G!!
I have since updated (using the Nokia Suite) the rom, and now the 4G option is there, and I have also seen the H+ symbol show on my data connection.
my only concern now is the battery life, and that seems to be MUCH better with the new rom.
have a great weekend.
I have a Lumia 920 unlocked German version which brought support for the 4G setting from release. I recently flashed it to the Austrian ROM given that I live in Austria. That removed the 4G option. Last friday I then decided to flash the phone to Portico as I hadn't had that much data added to it and that restored the 4G option.
This is in line with what Nokia had been communicating for some time: all Lumia 920 devices have LTE hardware on board but it is not enabled on all pending a future software update. With Portico this now seems to be the case. H+ has been working nicely for me even with the 3G only ROMs which makes sense given that it is just a faster transfer mode on top of UMTS.
I couldn't try out LTE yet as my carrier only has it operational in some locations quite some distance from my home. Therefore I currently have limited it to 3G to avoid the phone looking for an LTE network all the time.
Hello,
I can not get LTE working with my black Lumia 920.
The phone is supposedly RM-821 global version with pentaband LTE support disabled in firmware. Bought in Vietnam from official retailer and I am using it here in Finland where I live (LTE frequencies 1800 and 2600 are used by my operator). There is no 4G option in settings->mobile network->highest connection speed. I can go to field test menu (##3282+call) -> settings and select 4G only there but as soon as I leave that menu the setting reverts back to whatever it was set before. Also no LTE network is found during the time I stay in the menu.
This issue is driving me nuts.
Here is what I have tried so far with no success resolving the issue:
- Flashing in 8-10 different firmwares/softwares (several different region rm-821 models including finnish) with Nokia care suite.
- Called my operator several times and requested and got a new sim card to rule out the possibility that the problem lies there.
- Called nokia customer care twice and they keep telling me that the phone - for being the global variant - has LTE support on hardware level but it is just disabled in software.
- Checked the APN settings. If I select the access point with access point name for 4G network with my operator I don´t get connected at all. It says 3G in the topbar but network simply doesn´t work.
- Done this all in area where there should be 99,9% certainty for LTE-network availability.
So if anyone can point out something that I have missed or could still try please do. Would be highly appreciated!
You say it has octaband support. Have you confirmed what frequencies it operates at? It is possible that even being octaband versus pentaband that your frequency is not in that phones range. Is there any documentation that says what bands your model supports?
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You say it has octaband support. Have you confirmed what frequencies it operates at? It is possible that even being octaband versus pentaband that your frequency is not in that phones range. Is there any documentation that says what bands your model supports?
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Sorry I mean pentaband ofcourse. It is supposed to support the 800, 900, 1800, 2100 and 2600mhz frequencies.
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Sorry I mean pentaband ofcourse. It is supposed to support the 800, 900, 1800, 2100 and 2600mhz frequencies.
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Now that is out of the way, are you sure that your provider has LTE coverage in your exact area? Not just over all but at your exact location? Also is the signal you get at your location normally strong. If it is not strong enough the phone will drop to a lower band to conserve bandwidth.
you may find that nokia has not enabled it yet, they my do so at a later date by firmware .. the CVBG also do not have 4g working out of the box
I am having the same problem.. I bought a 920 when on holiday in Thailand.. now back home and it will not show 4G.. only 3G... whereas my 820 gets 4G fine...
Its an rm-821... and like the original poster i tried flashing a known 4G firmware onto the phone..
Do they actually manufacture 920s that are not 4G ?? I just assumed they were all 4G.... I guess i was wrong..
Have you try this app and manually set for the LTE? just a suggestion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2082683&highlight=exclusive+for+nokia
Flash your RM-821 with the Finnish firmware 059Q917 (1308.1) . It will activate the LTE as it did mine.
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Flash your RM-821 with the Finnish firmware 059Q917 (1308.1) . It will activate the LTE as it did mine.
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Just a question, when a new update comes out in the future, what product code shall be used? The firmware's or hardware's?
jtphl said:
Just a question, when a new update comes out in the future, what product code shall be used? The firmware's or hardware's?
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Updates which are firmware, look at the hardware in the phone to confirm product and region compatibility.
Evening all,
Just a bit of advice, I'm looking to upgrade from my g8x to the v60. As the european/international version is virtually impossible to find, I'm looking at the unlocked USA variants of this phone. Does anyone have this model in the UK and can confirm that it works on 3g/4g OK? I've found different sources stating that some of the bands aren't present in the USA variants - not bothered about 5g, just as long as I can get 3 and 4g on o2 it's fine. Also tried frequency checker but it doesn't seem to list the v60 on there for some reason...
OK so I've just come across the website Kimovil, this seems to be more helpful - looks like the only one that is going to be any use is the Canadian variant of the phone, the USA versions from t mobile/at+t have most of the bands missing for use in the UK. Explains why they go for far less online!
Interesting have you got a link to that site or have a link of where to buy one that will be good for UK
Also looking to buy a v60 to use on the UK
Kimovil.com
Not really found anything other than links for the USA versions of the phone, they don't seem to have the correct bands for most of the UK networks. I'm just watching eBay and seeing what comes up...
I bought an ATT model, unlocked from Ebay. I live in The Netherlands and my provider, Simyo, uses the KPN network with 800mhz (band 20) and 1800mhz (band 3) for 4G/LTE. After inserting my sim everything worked right away. Calls, data, no problems at all. My provider does not support 5G yet
Edit: be aware that you will not receive updates like android 11 (if on 10) or security updates on the V600AM.
I bought the V600AM, I'm in the UK and I can confirm that it works with O2. The only issue is that phone will switch to 2G when making voice calls,soon after hang up it will switch back to 4G LTE.
poemadevil said:
I bought an ATT model, unlocked from Ebay. I live in The Netherlands and my provider, Simyo, uses the KPN network with 800mhz (band 20) and 1800mhz (band 3) for 4G/LTE. After inserting my sim everything worked right away. Calls, data, no problems at all. My provider does not support 5G yet
Edit: be aware that you will not receive updates like android 11 (if on 10) or security updates on the V600AM.
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OK that's useful to know, I'm still not sure about 3g support as where I live in the depths of rural Cornwall we seem to struggle a bit with 4g - it's OK when I'm outside but indoors tends to drop back to 3g, I can use wifi at least. Thanks for the info though
Karol75 said:
I bought the V600AM, I'm in the UK and I can confirm that it works with O2. The only issue is that phone will switch to 2G when making voice calls,soon after hang up it will switch back to 4G LTE.
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Yeah, the 3g coverage is a thing for me as I tend to only get 4g when outside, it reverts to 3g indoors and I think that may be an issue for me with this phone as it needs to be a daily driver - as far as I can see the USA variants don't support the right bands for UK use....
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Yeah, the 3g coverage is a thing for me as I tend to only get 4g when outside, it reverts to 3g indoors and I think that may be an issue for me with this phone as it needs to be a daily driver - as far as I can see the USA variants don't support the right bands for UK use....
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You could force the phone to be on "LTE Only" with an app from Gstore,but then you won't be able to receive and make voice calls. Not ideal, but considering this phone is from a US network,it will never be 100% compatible with UK Networks. If only someone would find a solution to root it!!!
Which bands use for UK?
Calls will be via 3g if your region coverage that bands.
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Which bands use for UK?
Calls will be via 3g if your region coverage that bands.
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Yes its supported, before buying ask seller to upgrade to android 11.