Can someone shed some light on this for me? I just don't understand why we get to watch HTC come out with the "amazing" quad core One X just to find out that the U.S. carriers only get the dual core version. And now the exact same thing is happening with the Galaxy SIII.
http://androidspin.com/2012/06/01/t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-appears-looks-great/
What is the deal with this? Who/what is preventing the quad core version from being offered by the mobile carriers here in the U.S.? Obviously, we can still go buy the GSM version to solve this but then it's not backed by the carrier and there is little to no warranty options for damage/theft. Plus the price difference is really quite large ($200 on contract vs $700 GSM).
So, what's the deal?
the quad core does not play nice with the LTE radios
essentially not working with Verizon and ATT's LTE 4g
But with T-Mobile running on HSPA+ the quad core should work just fine. Why do T-Mobile customers have to suffer due to their competitors inability to adapt?
sn0warmy said:
But with T-Mobile running on HSPA+ the quad core should work just fine. Why do T-Mobile customers have to suffer due to their competitors inability to adapt?
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I guess that is T-Mobile's decision not to grab the quad core over the dual core.
The international phone will work with ATT 3G and T-Mobile, but does not work for LTE Networks.
So technically ATT & T-Mobile could have opted for the quad core
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I guess that is T-Mobile's decision not to grab the quad core over the dual core.
The international phone will work with ATT 3G and T-Mobile, but does not work for LTE Networks.
So technically ATT & T-Mobile could have opted for the quad core
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Hm, I wonder if it was cheaper for ATT & T-Mobile to go with the dual core from Samsung over the quad core. They probably also didn't feel it was necessary to pay additional for the quad core since their U.S. competitors aren't going to offer it anyway...
Either way it's annoying, but such is life.
Unless I'm mistaken, to make up for the lack of quad core, the USA model gets 2GB ram.
Personally, I think the handset situation in America is terrible, they have to get locked handsets and pay to receive calls. It's appalling, feel sorry for the customers
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Paid £500 for this "Superphone" and it's gonna be fit for the bin when we eventually get 4g, but I guess it's a good way for Samsung to make more money.
Aren't the dual cores used on the USA version a more advanced cpu than the quadies found on the International s3? I have a feeling the difference in performance between the 2 will be negligible
I'm curious about the technical reasons why the quad core doesn't play with the LTE radio. Does the S4 have functions that the Exynos cannot do or is something about more cores bad for the 4G radio?
Edit: Found out why. Qualcomm is the only one with a modem certified for DC-HSPA
Source: http://www.tmonews.com/2012/05/editorial-why-a-snapdragon-s4-galaxy-s-iii-is-awesome/
Michael_P said:
Paid £500 for this "Superphone" and it's gonna be fit for the bin when we eventually get 4g, but I guess it's a good way for Samsung to make more money.
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You should enquire about the JUMP tariff....you get to upgrade every 6 months
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But with T-Mobile running on HSPA+ the quad core should work just fine. Why do T-Mobile customers have to suffer due to their competitors inability to adapt?
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42 Mbps HSPA+ support apparently also requires a Qualcomm radio.
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Has there been anything from Samsung that states that the US version will have the S4 chipset. It just does not make an sense that it would not have a chipset made by Samsung. I am guessing we are going get a solid answer on the 29th when they go on their world tour.
I remember their being two conflicting articles from an anonymous Samsung executive about the dual core chip set and LTE compatibly.
As of right now, everything about dual core in US is just rumors. Some sound very reliable. As for me, I highly doubt that the exynos quad would be compatible with Sprint, Verizon, and AT&T LTE network as well as T-mobile HSPA+ 42Mbps. So yeah, chances are there won't be any quad core here
I read a few articles claiming that only T-Mobile would get the quad-core Exynos, but this makes absolutely no sense. The GS3 is 21mbps max, while T-Mobile's "4G" is 42mbps. So, I really doubt that T-Mobile will get the Exynos version, unless they decide that 2 extra cores has more market value than 42mbps HSPA+.
So, it is likely that T-Mobile will get a version that is crippled with the Qcomm S4 chip. Because of the incompatibility of LTE+Exynos, it is also possible for Verizon, ATT, etc to get the dual core version as well. For example, the HTC One X had to be switched to S4 to work on AT&T's LTE network.
Heard long shot rumour US maybe get exynos 5 with arm cortex a-15 2ghz dual core. I'd be OK with that if no exynos 4 quad in US. A-15 performance might be on par with quad A-9.
Though most likely if qualcomm S4 I'm going international.
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Heard long shot rumour US maybe get exynos 5 with arm cortex a-15 2ghz dual core. I'd be OK with that if no exynos 4 quad in US. A-15 performance might be on par with quad A-9.
Though most likely if qualcomm S4 I'm going international.
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Any Cortex-A15 would destroy the quad-core Exynos 4412. But the chance of an A15 being released for the US version is almost nonexistent.
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But the chance of an A15 being released for the US version is almost nonexistent.
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Maybe for an upgraded version? Like they did with the Skyrocket or T989...
Which one should I wait for or get?
I know with 4G it'd be more expensive though but it will have Snapdragon, which I don't really like.
But Exynos should have a better performance and I could brag about the new Exynos chip but the downside is LTE doesn't work with it.
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Which one should I wait for or get?
I know with 4G it'd be more expensive though but it will have Snapdragon, which I don't really like.
But Exynos should have a better performance and I could brag about the new Exynos chip but the downside is LTE doesn't work with it.
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1. S4 is actually a decent SoC
2. If you live in an area with decent HSPA speeds then it might not be too bad to go with 3G version
Depends on where you are located. If you are in the US where LTE is supported, I would go for the 4G since you will be paying alot less than the international price. If you are in the UK, I would get the quad core version with a carrier that gives you a plan on that. I'm in the US and if any carrier offers the quad core version, I would take that instead of the 4G because I don't even have 4G in my area, and I think more phone power would be better since WiFi is everywhere now.
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Depends on where you are located. If you are in the US where LTE is supported, I would go for the 4G since you will be paying alot less than the international price. If you are in the UK, I would get the quad core version with a carrier that gives you a plan on that. I'm in the US and if any carrier offers the quad core version, I would take that instead of the 4G because I don't even have 4G in my area, and I think more phone power would be better since WiFi is everywhere now.
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I'm in Australia, we just got LTE last year but only on one carrier.
And they're gonna be expensive, probably like around 70 dollars a month.
The smallest LTE plan is 59/month, the HTC Velocity.
There's also the S2 4G for 64/month.
Is it true that the U.S. version will only be dual core instead of quad because of compatibility issues with U.S. service providers? Also, which providers in the U.S. will be selling the SGIII?
Tried google, but results are all over the place..
yes its dual core, but you wont notice any difference in performance.
madunix said:
Is it true that the U.S. version will only be dual core instead of quad because of compatibility issues with U.S. service providers? Also, which providers in the U.S. will be selling the SGIII?
Tried google, but results are all over the place..
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It's true, but that dual core processor is of a superior architecture. It also comes with 2 GB of ram as compared to one GB on international version. like Bala said, you will not see any performance difference.
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My galaxy s3 is international unlocked version. Currently I'm using tmobile in America, however I only get edge2 network speed. My plan has 3G network included, and I asked the customer for helping, they said because mine is unlocked version, so I only can get edge network. Is it true?
Btw, how to make sure s3 is quad core or dual core, there is no way to see in the phone settings. Mine is international unlocked version and it supposed to be quad core, just want to make sure.
Thank you.
Unlocked GS3 only doesn't support T-Mobile's 1700MHz network so you're stuck on Edge. The only solution would be switching to AT&T for now. As for how to check quad core cpu, you can use some of the benchmark tools and look up system info.
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INTERNATIONAL GS3 only doesn't support T-Mobile's 1700MHz network so you're stuck on Edge. The only solution would be switching to AT&T for now. As for how to check quad core cpu, you can use some of the benchmark tools and look up system info.
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Fixed that for you.
OP: the international one is quad core.
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Unlocked GS3 only doesn't support T-Mobile's 1700MHz network so you're stuck on Edge. The only solution would be switching to AT&T for now. As for how to check quad core cpu, you can use some of the benchmark tools and look up system info.
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Thanks. I asked AT&T worker before, seemed they weren't positive.
So... Galaxy SIII in Europe comes with quad core processor - or so I've read... Why does the US only get dual core?? Can I use a European SIII on US T-Mobile network if I can get one?
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So... Galaxy SIII in Europe comes with quad core processor - or so I've read... Why does the US only get dual core?? Can I use a European SIII on US T-Mobile network if I can get one?
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The US version has qualcomm chip which supports LTE, the Exynos does not... INTL version has 1GB RAM, and qualcomm has 2GB RAM, yes you can use an unlocked INTL I9300 on T-Mobile but will not get LTE and have less RAM... The trade-offs are up to you...
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So... Galaxy SIII in Europe comes with quad core processor - or so I've read... Why does the US only get dual core?? Can I use a European SIII on US T-Mobile network if I can get one?
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Because the Exynos processor doesn't work with T-Mobile's non-standard 42Mbps on AWS (1700 MHz) and it also doesn't work with the LTE. You can use the international one on T-Mobile but you'll only get EDGE data. If you use it on AT&T though you'll get up to HSPA+ because most of Europe uses the same bands as AT&T (850/1900 MHz). If you want to use international phones, T-Mobile is the worst carrier to be on in terms of data speeds, but they're moving to the same frequency as AT&T, so eventually you'll be able to use it on T-Mobile with up to 21 Mbps.
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The qualcomm chip supports LTE, the Exynos does not... INTL version has 1GB RAM, and qualcomm has 2GB RAM, yes you can use an unlocked INTL I9300 on T-Mobile but will not get LTE and have less RAM... The trade-offs are up to you...
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To be fair, the i9300 is a lot faster than the US models. But to be honest, unless you game, you won't notice a different. The 2GB of RAM was a "whoops, my bad" from Samsung for having to switch processors; RAM does not affect performance unless you have too little RAM. Even the Nexus 7 comes with 1GB of RAM. But anyways, it depends how you use your phone. The other big thing is that the US models have the "bug" or "feature" where you might lose your IMEI when flashing anything to the phone, with no chance (so far) to get it back, meaning you'd have to do a warranty swap to get a working phone. The i9300 also gets major updates first. Development, I would say, is about the same for both though.
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So... Galaxy SIII in Europe comes with quad core processor - or so I've read... Why does the US only get dual core?? Can I use a European SIII on US T-Mobile network if I can get one?
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I'll try to reply in a nice way before you get flamed by someone. The quad core version (International) does not support LTE, hence we have the dual core setup which does support LTE. You can use an international device on ATT and T Mobile minus LTE. If I recall correctly you may not even get HSPA + either but I don't know if that is true or not.
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Because the Exynos processor doesn't work with T-Mobile's non-standard 42Mbps on AWS (1700 MHz) and it also doesn't work with the LTE. You can use the international one on T-Mobile but you'll only get EDGE data. If you use it on AT&T though you'll get up to HSPA+ because most of Europe uses the same bands as AT&T (850/1900 MHz). If you want to use international phones, T-Mobile is the worst carrier to be on in terms of data speeds, but they're moving to the same frequency as AT&T, so eventually you'll be able to use it on T-Mobile with up to 21 Mbps.
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Damn you beat me to it.
Damn we be on this one... LOL
Slight correction. There is a quad-core Exynos that supports LTE. Korea got it, but it wasn't completed by the time the US variants were in full production.
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Slight correction. There is a quad-core Exynos that supports LTE. Korea got it, but it wasn't completed by the time the US variants were in full production.
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Because the LTE radio is separate from the Exynos SoC. The Exynos itself does not support LTE. Think HTC Thunderbolt. What this results in is horrible battery life. The Galaxy Tab 7.7 did the same thing with the Exynos dual-core, adding a separate LTE radio with the Exynos processor. If you need LTE, you're better off with the Snapdragon S4 (which is no slouch btw). We're at a cell phone generation where all CPU's perform pretty much the same (current gen meaning S4 - Tegra 3 - Exynos Quad) until you really push them. So again, unless you're benchmarking or heavily gaming, you won't notice a difference.
Also, yes you'll get HSPA+ on AT&T (I'm using my i9300 on Straight Talk), but only EDGE on T-Mobile.
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The other big thing is that the US models have the "bug" or "feature" where you might lose your IMEI when flashing anything to the phone, with no chance (so far) to get it back, meaning you'd have to do a warranty swap to get a working phone.
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I'm starting to think even Samsung doesn't have a clue what's really going on with that... or a very ingenius way to sell some phones at full price... Hasn't deterred me any...
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I'm starting to think even Samsung doesn't have a clue what's really going on with that... or a very ingenius way to sell some phones at full price... Hasn't deterred me any...
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Samsung supports developers. They gave the entire CyanogenMod team Galaxy S II's when they first came out. They hired Steve Kondik (Cyanogen), and they worked with XDA devs to try and fix the ICS recovery perma-brick issue on the SII, Note, and other phones. It's probably the carriers that messed with the software without knowing what they were doing.
if you haven't heard already from previous posts the USA s3 supports lte and the UK one doesn't and we also have 2gb of ram they do not but they have a quad core chip to even it out and to be fair.
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