Anybody considering installing Windows 8 on their Tablet S?
it won't work.
z2cents said:
Anybody considering installing Windows 8 on their Tablet S?
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Not me. I predict Windows 8 will experience the same level of success as did Windows 3.0, 95, Bob, ME, and Vista.
Windows 8 rt will only run on tabs that are specifically made for it.
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Windows 8 will not run, because it has not been developed for ARM processors, i doubt the tegra 2 will run it smoothly.
win 95 98 xp, should run very good though
ross231 said:
Windows 8 will not run, because it has not been developed for ARM processors, i doubt the tegra 2 will run it smoothly.
win 95 98 xp, should run very good though
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Actually it has been developed for ARM, hence why OP asked. But you're correct in that it won't run; its much like Android, each device needs a custom set of drivers and image developed for it and that only will happen for new devices with just Win8 on them. It's not like the desktop version which can be installed anywhere.
Windows 8 comes in two flavours, WinRT (which is an ARM-compatible version of Windows 8 which only includes Metro) and standard Windows 8 which is an x86-64 only image which includes legacy support. However, to run Windows 8 RT on an ARM device, it needs to be Windows certified. It then needs to run a Secure Boot (probably EFI-based) bootloader and must sign all of its boot sectors. I can be fairly confident that unless there are some pretty incredible leaps in development, we will never see Windows 8 RT on the Sony Tablet S.
Ironically, the hardware is not a problem. The Tegra 2 is an ARM processor, that conforms to all of the ARM Cortex guidelines. Our touchscreen controller is a common one and most of the other hardware (except for 3G equipment, and possibly the IR blaster) is either very common or already has device drivers that would make it theoretically possible to run Windows-style ARM images. Unfortunately, Windows 8 itself is the problem in this case.
Let's also not forget that Microsoft will only ever release Windows 8 RT pre-installed on signed-code OEM devices, making any sort of development or porting very very difficult.
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Is this true??
Windows 8 arm on g tablet?
Maybe, maybe not. Way too early to speculate on an OS that is not even at ReleaseCandidate yet.
For perspective:
1. We are still awaiting a new OTA update
2. Honeycomb is still in question
It's true that Microsoft is working on Windows 8 to have it running on the ARM based systems.
There is however no information that Windows 8 would ever run on the Gtablet (memory, storage, additional required hardware, system design, etc....could all be issues).
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/12/microsoft-pushes-out-preview-build-of-internet-explorer-10/
IE10 in Windows 8 (ARM), running on a Tegra 2 processor.
Hope to see this happen in the future. Would love to have Windows o/s on my tablet.
Speaking of Windows running on an Android tablet, I had a cheapy ZT-180 tablet that could boot into WinCe & the specs of this tablet were no where near the G-Tabs. Has anyone tried installing that on a G-Tab?
This may sound like a weird question, but I am just curious to know if it is possible to install windows 7, or xp on Galaxy tab 10.1. As my limited knowledge about computers tells me, GT is essentially a computer with a cpu and ram and a kind of hard drive, so theoretically at least, it seems to me that it should be possible to install windows on the tablet.
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This may sound like a weird question, but I am just curious to know if it is possible to install windows 7, or xp on Galaxy tab 10.1. As my limited knowledge about computers tells me, GT is essentially a computer with a cpu and ram and a kind of hard drive, so theoretically at least, it seems to me that it should be possible to install windows on the tablet.
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Welcome to the forums. The answer is no. Windows won't run on the chip that's in the tablet (it's called ARM architecture; same reason windows won't run on a cellphone). I've heard rumors that windows 8 may be possible at some point.
I have Windows 7 on my Tab 10 so yes you can use Windows 7.
5thElement said:
I have Windows 7 on my Tab 10 so yes you can use Windows 7.
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and how did you manage this?
5thElement said:
I have Windows 7 on my Tab 10 so yes you can use Windows 7.
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You have the install disc sitting on your Tab?
Seriously, though. That sounds like horse**** from the same guy who claims to have played with Kal-el devices. Let's see a video.
How's this?
Splashtop HD running my home computer from work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0x48GuhNnI
Excuse the fumbling. It's hard to work the screen looking at the phone screen. And I should mention that we only have an 802.11g connection here at work.
Thank you Jay Evans for proving them wrong.
Well, holy hell! That means I have OS X Lion running on my Tab.
Thank you for the replies. Although I understand that some of us here might be in a rather humorous mood, but just to clarify: my question was not about remote desktops. I still think there has to be a way to have windows running on GT. Another question in this regard is about virtual machines. Is there any kind of VM available for honeycomb tablets?
While it might be possible you wouldn't enjoy the results. Especialy if you want to run actual programs on it. It would be as slow as molassas and suck the battery dry in no time.
Better to buy a Win 7 tablet and wait for something like Bluestacks to run Android or wait for the ARM version of Win 8.
It won't happen, Windows is based off x86 architecture and Android Tablets and phones are based off of ARM architecture, Windows 8 will have support for ARM though, so wait a year
While the answer to your question is still 'no', it is possible to run Windows 95 or 98 using emulators. There is a QEMU port for Android ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6661598 ) that does it, and I've also heard that you can install windows using AnDosBox.
If I could install Windows 7 along side Android on this thing, then I'd replace my laptop as my main PC. Is this possible? Or if not, will it be in the future with Windows 8? I can wait a few more months, by then maybe the price will drop some as well ^_^.
No, Windows 7 will never be compatible on an ARM based tablet because it is made for x86/Itanium architecture.
Windows 8: Maybe- depends on the driver release but that is atleast a few months away so no one can really say.
avinash60 said:
No, Windows 7 will never be compatible on an ARM based tablet because it is made for x86/Itanium architecture.
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Not even Itanium on Windows 7, it's x86/x64 only.
Windows 8 will be theoretically compatible but it remains to be seen whether it will actually be possible to install it on the Prime. Don't forget that Windows 8 on ARM won't run existing Windows programs away.
I'd be interested in an Ubuntu or such dual-boot.
can we have more windows threads please?
i mean really? as if the windows 8 threads concerning an OS which won't be out (in it's ARM form) until late next year weren't enough, we get ones about an OS that CLEARLY wont' work on ARM arch.
i don't say it often, but a quick search would have turned up the answer that x86 OS' will never work on ARM arch. ESPECIALLY ones that are not open source to be dismantled by a crazy person to be made to work somehow.
Haloman800 said:
If I could install Windows 7 along side Android on this thing, then I'd replace my laptop as my main PC. Is this possible? Or if not, will it be in the future with Windows 8? I can wait a few more months, by then maybe the price will drop some as well ^_^.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1365283&highlight=windows
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1368651&highlight=windows
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1407305&highlight=windows
Since when did the Prime have a ARM processor that's a cheap CPU found in netbooks.
Officially there will never be a Windows OS for Transformer Prime, ASUS already have a tablet on the market for Windows and it's the Eee Slate EP121, and like the other Windows tablets it's big, heavy, and lack multitouch support for it's touchscreen and requires a stylus and it retails for a whopping $1400.
Unofficially anything is possible. Heck you can run Mac OS X on non Apple hardware thanks to the Project OS X team.
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Since when did the Prime have a ARM processor that's a cheap CPU found in netbooks.
Officially there will never be a Windows OS for Transformer Prime, ASUS already have a tablet on the market for Windows and it's the Eee Slate EP121, and like the other Windows tablets it's big, heavy, and lack multitouch support for it's touchscreen and requires a stylus and it retails for a whopping $1400.
Unofficially anything is possible. Heck you can run Mac OS X on non Apple hardware thanks to the Project OS X team.
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Lol are you joking? You are right?!
And no! There won't be ever a Windows 7 copy running on he Prime. Never!
am I joking no. but I'm not sure where ARM gets associate with Prime when it clearly shows in the specs that it has a Nvidia Tegra 3 Quad Core CPU.
My Palm Treo phone has a ARM processor and it's old and slow as ****.
The second part is true, Project OS X is basically a hacked version of Mac OS X that can run on non-Apple PC hardware.
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am I joking no. but I'm not sure where ARM gets associate with Prime when it clearly shows in the specs that it has a Nvidia Tegra 3 Quad Core CPU.
My Palm Treo phone has a ARM processor and it's old and slow as ****.
The second part is true, Project OS X is basically a hacked version of Mac OS X that can run on non-Apple PC hardware.
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Oh wow... I guess you slept the last years...? Maybe get a read on mobile processors... They are all ARM based....
People really shouldn't try to argue about things they have no idea about...
And i know you can run OSX on non apple hardware. That doesn't change the fact that Windows 7 can't run at all on the Prime. Never!
Diamondback2010 said:
Oh wow... I guess you slept the last years...? Maybe get a read on mobile processors... They are all ARM based....
People really shouldn't try to argue about things they have no idea about...
And i know you can run OSX on non apple hardware. That doesn't change the fact that Windows 7 can't run at all on the Prime. Never!
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I'm not arguing. Sounds like you want to though.
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Plus who's to say that there won't be any virtual OS software made for Android that would allow you to install Windows onto it.
there would go that whole never be able to right there. Anything is possible.
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I'm not arguing. Sounds like you want to though.
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Plus who's to say that there won't be any virtual OS software made for Android that would allow you to install Windows onto it.
there would go that whole never be able to right there. Anything is possible.
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Because Windows 7 is made for x86/x64 processor architecture and not ARM.
There will be a extra super special version of Windows 8 written only for ARM processors
This version may run on the Prime. But not Windows 7.
If there was a way of running x86 code on ARM processors, Microsoft wouldn't rewrite Windows parts for the ARM architecture.
Get a read about processors architecture etc.
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Because Windows 7 is made for x86/x64 processor architecture and not ARM.
There will be a extra super special version of Windows 8 written only for ARM processors
This version may run on the Prime. But not Windows 7.
If there was a way of running x86 code on ARM processors, Microsoft wouldn't rewrite Windows parts for the ARM architecture.
Get a read about processors architecture etc.
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why are you continuing to go on about hardware compatibility when I clearly referred to software as far as anything's possible.
Please explain why the nVidia Tegra 3 cpu wouldn't be able to run Windows 7 in a virtual OS environment?
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why are you continuing to go on about hardware compatibility when I clearly referred to software as far as anything's possible.
Please explain why the nVidia Tegra 3 cpu wouldn't be able to run Windows 7 in a virtual OS environment?
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Because you can't run x86/x64 code on ARM processors... I already said that.
It's the same for x86/x64 code... You can't run x64 code on a x86 processors.
That's why there are different x86 and x64 versions of e.g. Firefox.
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Because you can't run x86/x64 code on ARM processors... I already said that.
It's the same for x86/x64 code... You can't run x64 code on a x86 processors.
That's why there are different x86 and x64 versions of e.g. Firefox.
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yes you can run x86 code on ARM cpus, through emulation software. It can be done on some ARM devices out now.
Go lookup Bosch x86 emulator for ARM.
I would like to see an ARM processor try to emulate x86 architecture. Anyone who's ever tried looking for emulation software knows that emulation is slow as hell. While PCs are faster than both PS3s and Xbox 360s, are there emulators? No. Why? Because you need much more power to translate the architectures to something the processor understands. This is why x86, a large and powerful architecture will never run on ARM properly. Even Bosch's website says so:
1.9.5. Tell me about performance when running Bochs.
Because Bochs emulates every x86 instruction and all the devices in a PC system, it does not reach high emulation speeds.
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Or better, you could try emulation on a Prime. I'm sure you don't mind seeing how slow Tegra 3 can be
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yes you can run x86 code on ARM cpus, through emulation software. It can be done on some ARM devices out now.
Go lookup Bosch x86 emulator for ARM.
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Yea, so show me this thing running on a Tegra 2/3 other modern ARM processor...
I haven't seen something like this on the site.
Apart from that the emulator doesn't seem to be compatible with Win7?
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I would like to see an ARM processor try to emulate x86 architecture. Anyone who's ever tried looking for emulation software knows that emulation is slow as hell. While PCs are faster than both PS3s and Xbox 360s, are there emulators? No. Why? Because you need much more power to translate the architectures to something the processor understands. This is why x86, a large and powerful architecture will never run on ARM properly. Even Bosch's website says so:
Or better, you could try emulation on a Prime. I'm sure you don't mind seeing how slow Tegra 3 can be
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I would mind boging it down lol. Doesn't seem like an easy task. Just wondering because this made me think about it. On Antutu, there is a prime that is oced. Why don't we have that
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That is probably a development Prime from Asus to see how the higher clocks impact performance and battery life, and it seems they feel that 1.3GHz (up to 1.4GHz under certain conditions) is the sweet spot.
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That is probably a development Prime from Asus to see how the higher clocks impact performance and battery life, and it seems they feel that 1.3GHz (up to 1.4GHz under certain conditions) is the sweet spot.
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ook. Thanks for answering that. and sorry OP for going off topic.
try running older versions of OSX (before apple switched to intel chips) on a PC and tell me anything is possible.
if you want to run win7 on your prime, use the remote desktop. it's going to be the only way you'll get there.
hey guys there is a rumor about windows 8 coming out for tablets and im so excited for that .. yet my question is will this windows 8 for tablet be able to run windows games like a PC ? lets say i want to install some game like Need for speed or call of duty will it be able to run it as a PC windows ?
Thanks
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hey guys there is a rumor about windows 8 coming out for tablets and im so excited for that .. yet my question is will this windows 8 for tablet be able to run windows games like a PC ? lets say i want to install some game like Need for speed or call of duty will it be able to run it as a PC windows ?
Thanks
With all respect
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Tablet based on Tegra or Snapdragon gets Windows RT. This is Windows for ARM and will not run normal PC games.
Tabled based on X86 (for example Intel) gets Windows 8. This is windows for PC and will be able to run normal PC games (and windows applications). (if the GPU has enough power ofcourse)
Though I expect the ARM version will have much better battery life and is more suitable for a tablet.
And keep in mind that game developers are already making game engines for Windows RT. For example, there is already a demo for the Unreal3 Engine.
madshark2009 said:
hey guys there is a rumor about windows 8 coming out for tablets and im so excited for that .. yet my question is will this windows 8 for tablet be able to run windows games like a PC ? lets say i want to install some game like Need for speed or call of duty will it be able to run it as a PC windows ?
Thanks
With all respect
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i believe you're expecting to intall windows on Prime. Sorry to dissapoint you, but this will not be possible.. Windows 8 for tablet will only be available for OEM.
ooh thanks guys ! and what do you mean only available on oem ? ive seen videos on youtube about this asus having windows 8 on it ? well ?
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ooh thanks guys ! and what do you mean only available on oem ? ive seen videos on youtube about this asus having windows 8 on it ? well ?
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Only available to manufacturers. Is not like normal windows where you buy a license on a store and install on any x86 computer. Is more like Windows Phones where the OS is attached with the phone..
And since is a closed source OS, i doubt the community can install it on other devices (maybe on tablets where exists models for both versions with the same hardware this can be done, i don't know)
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ooh thanks guys ! and what do you mean only available on oem ? ive seen videos on youtube about this asus having windows 8 on it ? well ?
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If you search wikipedia for Windows 8 RT you will see the hardware requirements and then see why you should not expect to see W8 on the TFP:
Hardware buttons: Must have five hardware buttons - 'Power', 'Rotation lock', 'Windows Key', 'Volume-up', 'Volume-down'. The Windows Key to be at least 10.5 mm in diameter.
Five-point digitizers: Microsoft requires that Windows 8 touch PCs use digitizers supporting a minimum of five touch points.
Mobile Broadband: If a mobile broadband device is integrated into a tablet or convertible system, then an assisted GPS radio is required
Display: Minimum native resolution/color depth is 1366x768 at a depth of 32-bits. The physical dimensions of the display panel must match the aspect ratio of the native resolution. The native resolution of the panel can be greater than 1366 (horizontally) and 768 (vertically).
Near field communication: Devices supporting NFC need to have visual marks to help users locate and use the proximity technology.
New button combination for Control-Alt-Delete: The new option is to press Windows Key + Power.
Storage: At least 10 GB free space, after the out-of-box experience completes.
Graphics: Direct3D 10 device with WDDM 1.2 driver
Camera: Minimum resolution 1280 x 720[5]
Ambient light sensor: 1-30k lux capable with dynamic range of 5-60K.
Accelerometer: three axes with data rates at or above 50 Hz
Magnetometer and gyroscope
USB 2.0: At least one controller and exposed port.
Networking: WLAN and Bluetooth 4.0 + LE (low energy)
System firmware: UEFI
Built-in speaker and microphone[6]
If anyone can resolve the hardware issues they then have to persuade MS to supply them with W8 Licences (projected to be 85$). There is no indication that W8RT will be sold as a retail product and it will be sold to tablet manufacturers - OEM's -original equipment manufacturer / manufacturing.
If I remember correctly, there was an app you could download from Google Play Store which would allow you to run a version of Windows 8 on your Transformer tablets. It required that you have W8 installed on a desktop and connected your tablet to it. If the system can run the OS if you paid for the app, it should be able to run it standalone as well. Just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions...
Long story short, possible but unlikely.
You're looking for Windows RT, the ARM version of Windows 8 (vs the Intel version that will run all the old apps we known and love and run on our intel computers). It is certainly possible (hell, probably extremely easy) to install Windows RT on our Transformer Primes. In fact I'd venture a guess to say most of Asus' Windows RT tablets are nothing but transformers, an extra button, and a few extra hardware features Windows mandates it have (ie the "Windows" button). That being said, in a TECHNICAL sense, it should be uber easy to install Windows RT.
The issue comes with licensing, legalese, and most of the crap most of us here hate because all it does is make our lives more difficult and expensive when we know damn well the hardware is capable. Microsoft has already said a few things that don't sit right with me. A few below:
1. All Windows RT devices must have locked UEFI bootloaders (ie, NO installing Android or Ubuntu, when all 3 COULD be installed in dual-triple boot configurations)
2. Windows RT will only be available to OEMs to be installed from the factory (no installing to Android devices, despite the hardware being capable.)
3. All Windows RT devices must only be able to install software from the market (with MS's 30% cut like Apple) and ONLY be for the metro environment, not the legacy desktop.
This all being said, I'm the proud owner of the HTC HD2 and if you look at that thing, which Microsoft said would never get Windows Phone despite satisfying 98% of their hardware specs, it's currently running the latest versions of Windows Phone AND Android (JB). This is all from a device that shipped with Windows MOBILE 6.5 in October of 2010. Performance is on par with single-core windows phones and single-core snapdragon chips (similar to what's in the original EVO).
It's possible, the question is, who's willing to cross Microsoft, and what kind of encryption needs to be broken first. It WILL happen, the question is a) how long and b) which devices are popular/worth it enough to MAKE it happen.
Until Microsoft fixes their current trajectory to their own 'clo$ed eco$y$tem' like Apple, I'll wait...
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Is there a chance to have windows 10 arm on our redmi5+ like on lumia950xl ?
It would be nice to have a phone with a secondary boot option for windows 10 arm.
I don't think so as it was barely "running" on snapdragon 835.
knot2006 said:
I don't think so as it was barely "running" on snapdragon 835.
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I m talking about windows 10 arm
inconnu29 said:
I m talking about windows 10 arm
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You mean Windows 10 Mobile ?
I guess it's possible but it's officially, a dead OS so I don't think any Dev would waste his time to do it.
https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...19-recommends-users-switch-to-ios-or-android/
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You mean Windows 10 Mobile ?
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you need professional help
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you need professional help
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lmao
@knot2006, remember that some months ago Microsoft showcased Windows 10 (the full Windows OS) running on a ARM-based device with a Snapdragon 845. This means that, if powerful enough, an ARM device can run a full Windows desktop and maybe some other OSes like Linux distros.
Unfortunately for OP, vince's chipset is not powerful enough to run Win10 ARM decently.
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lmao
@knot2006, remember that some months ago Microsoft showcased Windows 10 (the full Windows OS) running on a ARM-based device with a Snapdragon 845. This means that, if powerful enough, an ARM device can run a full Windows desktop and maybe some other OSes like Linux distros.
Unfortunately for OP, vince's chipset is not powerful enough to run Win10 ARM decently.
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You can run linux in a pentium 1, so why not on a smartphone? I dont think there will be power limitations.
moralesnery said:
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@knot2006, remember that some months ago Microsoft showcased Windows 10 (the full Windows OS) running on a ARM-based device with a Snapdragon 845. This means that, if powerful enough, an ARM device can run a full Windows desktop and maybe some other OSes like Linux distros.
Unfortunately for OP, vince's chipset is not powerful enough to run Win10 ARM decently.
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Read my first post where I mentioned that it was bearly running on a way more powerful SoC so it might be hard to get it running on Snap 625
josedb said:
You can run linux in a pentium 1, so why not on a smartphone? I dont think there will be power limitations.
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Windows is not a Linux my dude, while Linux and it's kernel are very modular Windows is not especially Windows 10 and we are already running Linux as Android is a flavor of it.