My girlfriends' SII recently got her screen burned in,which got me thinking "can this happen to me?" Is it even a problem for us EVO users? I know the screen for the SII wasn't an LCD screen , and I believe the EVO's is. Any answers will be appreciated!
LCD do not burn in, which is what the EVO LTE has.
IPS LCD screens can have what is called image retention or image persistence, which looks like burn in, but it is temporary and goes away if you stop using your device for awhile or flash a bunch of colors quickly on the screen for awhile. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_persistence
Amoled screens can have burn in, which is what your girlfriend has. This is why I cannot understand why people want onscreen buttons on phones like the galaxy nexus. I would guess a majority of Galaxy Nexus phones will have their navigation buttons permanently displayed(it is really faint usually) on their phones within a year and it can probably be seen during any full screen activity in which a gray or similar light colored background is shown.
I am not sure if the Super LCD2 used in the EVO LTE is an IPS screen or not(I think it is based on a quick google search and the fact that the colors and blacks look amazing) so I can't tell you for sure if it will have image retention issues, which again, are not permanent anyway.
Thanks! That's exactly what I thought, I just wanted a second opinion. Thanks for clarifying the difference between image retention and screen burn in. I'm fine with it as long as its not permanent.
If you find the image retention lasting a long time, you can run something like this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.ujacha.deadpixel&hl=en
It's meant to detect dead pixels, but by cycling through all the colors, it "erases" the image retention.
Ideally, you can find a video on youtube (there are plenty), just search for monitor calibration or hdtv calibration and then play that video for 5-20 min. (The video should just be rotating full screens of colors like the dead pixel finder)
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After seeing the screen on the samsung galaxy s II i'm pretty confident that its what i'll be getting, but...I'm concerned about burn in.
One of the reasons I was leaning towards the htc sensation is that with slcd I don't have to worry about burn in at all, but how much do i really have to worry about it?
I havn't seen many people complain about burn in on the first galaxy s, but there are still some cases.
Is it reduced on the galaxy s II?
Are the chances of this happening so low that I shouldnt worry about it?
How cheap/easy is it to replace the screen if this happens?
im interested in this as well
Hi,
I´m an Omnia 2 I8000 owner since 10.2009. It was the first phone on market with Samsungs Amoled-screen.
I allways use Black themes.
I don´t have any problems with screen burn up to now. You can see it slightly on testimages, but in normal use, you won´t notice it at all! I would post pictures, but my Display was replaced(Dust under the screen) a month ago, so its new again...
Rgds
Is there even such a problem on AMOLED screens? I came from a Nexus One with AMOLED screen and never had such issues, and I believe the screen was made by Samsung too.
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Is there even such a problem on AMOLED screens?
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Amoled screens are basically plasma screens for phones.
They're completely different technologies, but the pros/cons are almost the same.
lcds make a picture but the backlight is what allows us to see it so clearly.
amoled make their own light, but they have a lifespan.
so the pixels that get the most use tend to fade, and leave a 'burn in' effect.
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After seeing the screen on the samsung galaxy s II i'm pretty confident that its what i'll be getting, but...I'm concerned about burn in.
One of the reasons I was leaning towards the htc sensation is that with slcd I don't have to worry about burn in at all, but how much do i really have to worry about it?
I havn't seen many people complain about burn in on the first galaxy s, but there are still some cases.
Is it reduced on the galaxy s II?
Are the chances of this happening so low that I shouldnt worry about it?
How cheap/easy is it to replace the screen if this happens?
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Burn in happens as early as 4-6 months of use with most AMOLED based screens, this happens mostly on the clock section of the notification bar, there is a long thread about this on the SGS1 forums. Honestly burn in is the least of concerns, be more concerned about the yellow tinting issue on most SAMOLED Plus screens.
Well ive had a samsung jet for some 3-4 years, one of the first amoleds (i think)
and i dont have a hint of burn in, i also got a htc desire after that because i fell in love with amoled and that doesnt have any burn in either. Now i have my sgs2 and the amoled love continues. I have a plasma screen at home so i am very familliar with burn in (nasty shock in the morning when falling asleep with it on!).
I think if samsung thought these were going to burn in they would have put screen protection/pixel flushing just like they did with my samsung plasma tv. Its really not a worry in my mind and i use bright blue glowing themes which are the most aggressive on amoled pixels.
Ive read horror stories of burn in but those are just faulty screens/handsets.
Heres the thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=892498&page=16&highlight=amoled+burnin
what im still unable to find is how easy it would be to replace the screen if it were to burn in, and what it would cost.
never knew these AMOLED screens have image retention problems.
My Nexus One had terrible screen burn, the Froyo notification bar was clearly visable when not actually displayed. Hope the SGS2 does not go this way.
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Is there even such a problem on AMOLED screens? I came from a Nexus One with AMOLED screen and never had such issues, and I believe the screen was made by Samsung too.
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Yes there is a problem. My nexus one has permanent burn in. And I made a thread with many others posting pics of their burn in.
Its just a trait of amoled screens. My status bar, clock am pm, and keyboard are all burnt in to the screen on my nexus one.
Search the forum, this topic has already been covered.
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Yes, but i cant find anything saying if its been improved on the amoled plus screens.
I would assume that the efficiency boost would lessen the effect a bit because it should boost the pixel lifespan, but im not 100%.
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Yes, but i cant find anything saying if its been improved on the amoled plus screens.
I would assume that the efficiency boost would lessen the effect a bit because it should boost the pixel lifespan, but im not 100%.
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Yes that is the question now, we don't know how much amoled plus improves this issue. I have to think that its gonna be much improved with this new generation.
Mine already seems to suffer from burn-in, most noticeable whenever my auto-brightness shifts to lower thresholds (had my SGS2 since the last day of June 2011). I wonder if Sammy can do any replacement for me.
I got a burn in too. The four bottom icons start to be visible with notification bar pulled down.
Looks like I ain't the only one with an sgs2 with this issue then. I notice it's only visible at low brightness - approximately 10-15%. And my notification bar has always been black.
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Got mine since it's release in May, always used very low brightness settings and a low screen-off-timer, 30 seconds or one minute.
Status bar is visible on red background and very visible on blue, some icons and the clock time are present all the time.
Really pathetic after very moderate and careful use in five month.
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Got mine since it's release in May, always used very low brightness settings and a low screen-off-timer, 30 seconds or one minute.
Status bar is visible on red background and very visible on blue, some icons and the clock time are present all the time.
Really pathetic after very moderate and careful use in five month.
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Similar to my usage pattern mate. Pathetic is the word. Damn.
Hello XDA,
I've searched around for this problem a bit, and it seems this issue hasn't been brought up anywhere. If it has, then I apologize.
The S2 has an awesome display with great colors, blacks included, but I noticed this issue one night when I was watching a film on my S2. When the display is showing black/dark images you can clearly see what appears to be glue smudges all over the screen, especially along the rims. It is only noticeable when there's little to no other light in the surrounding environement. Increasing brightness seem to worsen the problem.
It is hard to describe and very difficult to capture on camera but I made an attempt. I can't post links yet it seems but here's an imageshack url:
img842.imageshack.us/img842/5420/blotches.jpg
The image was taken with a Canon 450D with 20 sec exposure (hard to focus when it's that dark I'll tell you). Edited slightly in photoshop to cut down the size.
Here you can see the general color of the screen (gray-ish) and some of the blotches of (what I'm guessing is) glue in the back. If I had to guess I suspect the blotches might come from the capacitive touch layer of the screen. Is this an issue or is it to be expected on phones like these? It's not a major problem but it's actually quite annoying when you're watching a film/youtube clip/playing a generally dark game or whatever. Should I return my device? I've used it for just about a week and a half.
Thanks in advance for any help.
i have this too, its the AMOLED display. you can turn the screen off and on and you'll see it go off n on. not the sgs, but amoleds generally. my omnia HD had this too (1st gen AMOLED)
the blacks are not 100% black i say
Im having this too, nothing to worry about this as it doesnt disturb the beautiful display of this mobile.
OK, I have seen several threads here, concerning image retention problem, sometimes marked as screen burn. So I thought we could collapse into one general thread on this subject.
So, LCD screen does not have image burn problems. Image burn is name for persistent effect. What we have with our Primes is image retention. This effect is caused becouse liquid crystals in LCD gets used to its certain possition...
For example, if you have some bright background, and you leave it unchanged for about 10-15 minutes, than run some grey screen picture, you will see "ghost" of the background image in the app.
This effect can be seen in many screen technologies. S-IPS and AMOLED are widely used ones on tablets and mobile devices. They both suffer from this effect.
There is actualy big chance you won´t even notice that. Prime turns it screen off after some time, and when you use your device you are probably actually doing something, meaning you are dynamically changing the screen, so image retention has no time to take place.
In everyday use, problems could occur when you use SW keyboard for a long time, or for example game menu controls, etc.
The most important thing is, this is NOT PERSISTENT. Image retention of this type should dissapear after while, you can speed it up by either turning screen off or displaying plain white image for a while.
I believe none of our tablet displays are immune to this. In fact, even glory iPad 1&2 displays are not immune. Neither was my HTC Diamond screen. (Yes, pretty old, but it has nice VGA screen). Sometimes I get navigation cursors retained after reset, even for few minutes (on my HTC Diamond)... So I believe we just need to live with this effect. Most of the time, you won´t even notice it.
But we can share our experience. I have not notice any image retention untill today, when I needed to discharge my Prime more quickly, so I maxed brighteness (IPS+ on) and leave it in home screen on for about 15 minutes. Than I started YouTube app, and on its grey load screen, I clearly seen ghost of my homescreen background. I immediatelly retried lauchning YouTube app, but it was all gone. If curious, or if you want to replicate this, my homescreen image is the default with tree, most yellow-ish like I believe autumn sunset version
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so I maxed brighteness (IPS+ on) and leave it in home screen on for about 15 minutes
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Think that is the root of your ghosting issue there, would not call that normal operation at all to leave it maxed out for 15mins. The display is super bright and I dont think even outdoors you need max IPS+ to adequately use the tab.
Well, if I am right, it sould have nothing to do with brighteness level. Like I said, it is different effect, it is not burned. But maye thrucomming light intensity has some effect on the crystal polarisation...
Thanks for the post, I get this effect with my Nexus One as well. The notification bar from having the phone in portrait mode shows itself at times in landscape.
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Actually LCD panels can get screen burn, I have had two LCD HDTV s that had it. But those were first gen LCD HDTV s.
You shouldn't see anything like it on LCD screens of today. If what your saying is true then why isn't the status bar in ICS (or honeycomb) ghosting for everyone?
I've done some tests recently after finding this issue on my Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus. It was VERY dramatic on that tab. Only a few seconds on one screen, change to a screen that is mostly gray and the image persistence was there for quite a while. And it was a strong persistence. Not just a faint image. You could easily read text and see images. The pictures in the following thread show it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1437445
But after having this issue, I ended up testing some other tabs I have. I've seen the issue on my Kindle Fire's (I have 3 of them). I have a Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet and have not seen the issue there. I also have a Transformer Prime and I do see it faintly on the prime, generally on the right side of the tab when holding in landscape (with power button on top). I also see it sometimes on my 30" Dell IPS monitor.
I guess the point is, it is more common than you think. But some screens may exhibit the problem more than others. That Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus (that specific one) exhibited it far worse than anything else I've seen.
I've decided not to worry about it. If it's happening to yours and it happens very quickly and doesn't go away quickly, perhaps your display is worse than the norm. But I would expect all of these displays to show some level of image persistence. Return it if it bugs you, but accept the fact that they all may have this issue to some degree.
Thanks to the OP for this post.
I got my hands on a Razr x910 and it has screen burn. what are my solutions for this? Can i order a screen from someplace on the web ? what are my options?
please post a picture, i ve never seen a problem like this in a so short amount of time
Do you mean like black dots when the the screen is black?
I thought only plasma screens have burn marks
There are a couple apps that can attempt to reverse it, like Display Tester, fixes the burn by scrubbing the pixels with white and black nars, try it, couldnt hurt
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here is a picture of the burnt screen. its a yellowish tinge in the screen. whenever there is a white or light screen you can usually see them. However it doesnt effect games/videos, so its not to bad..
I ran that display tester and no luck!
I'm not even absolutely certain that's screen burn. AMOLED is kind of notorious for... inconsistent... colors (especially whites). And the RAZR in particular has some artifacts that are especially visible in the dark. They don't impair usage generally. But then the display I'm on typing at the moment isn't the best so it's hard for me to be sure how bad it is on your screen.
EDIT: scratch that, looked closer and I can make out the launcher icons at the bottom. That kind of sucks, actually.
its not to bad, and again only on light screens. I am always going to run a dark background so its unnoticeable. But when i run into some extra money ill just buy a new screen This place http://www.repairsuniverse.com/motorola-razr-lcd-screen-replacement.html
seems legit for a not bad price.
Might want to turn down your screen-on time as well. The only other RAZR I've seen like that was the demo unit at the Verizon store & its screen is on all the time.
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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot... I've never heard of this on a mobile device, a tablet, or a laptop. Although cheaper LCD TVs (like my POS Westinghouse) can have it happen. An impractical solution would simply be to leave it off for a few days. But, that's not going to happen with a phone. If you can find a video of static... like a TV screen on a channel with no signal... and can have it run in a repeating loop, leave it plugged in and run it over night. The random white/black pixels will clear out LCD burn in. It might take a few sessions.
There's an app called JScreenFix that can be used to exercise the display as well. This issue was a problem on the first generation Fascinates. The samoled screens would retain the image of the status bar clock or the whole status bar.
Technically, it's not burn-in I guess, it's more like pixel degradation in certain color spectrums.
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Hello, I own a i9100 and I have some burn-ins at the top of the screen that replicate some buttons of a browser or something, and some burn-ins at the bottom as well. I have read that leaving overnight an app that's constantly switching colours, with full brightness, could help a bit on that. I also read that leaving a blank screen (white image) on the same conditions (overnight, full brightness) would help as well. My question is, how true these both things are? I don't want to end with a bigger problem than the one I currently have. The burn-ins are most viewable at Blue, Red, and Black screen colors.(like if I put a background with one of those colors on it)
Never had any of these on my S2,but from my experience with the galaxy s plus,these tricks won't work.None will to be honest.It's permanent.This shows how immature amoled technology is.Learn to live with it or replace the screen if that bothers you much.
what a sign you got there...
Lucky you. Mine is not THAT noticeable if you're using it normally, but as soon as you open something with a plain color on it, the burn in shows itself on all its glory. So right now you can't tell if leaving the white image all the night or the thing switching colors will damage my screen more?
mwehehe
Well,back then when I tried every method you described above on my i9001,I didn't noticed any improvement nor any further damage.Even after running those for 10h+.So I assume it's safe.Can't say the same for the S2 though,have no problems with it.