Product links:
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Stereo-Clip-On-Bluetooth-Headset/dp/B0057WWK5E
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875982446
High Resolution Image Gallery (Close up of buttons, and dimensions): http://imgur.com/a/b5HyR#0
In short, at half the price of the HTC Stereo Clip, I don't see why you would buy anything else. (A simple male to male adapter and it'll plug into your head unit just the same.)
Audio Quality: It's great! The new APT-X codec(?) is awesome. It would take a double blind hearing test for me to tell the difference between the Samsung and a wire. Can you tell? Maybe, but requiring a double blind test is good enough for me in my car.
Note: I have the bluetooth feeding directly into an amplifier that feeds my speakers. I no longer have a headunit.
For me, there are so many benefits of this unit vs the Stereo Clip.
Less than half the cost ! ($30 vs $70 for HTC Clip)
I can plug ANY set of headphones into the bluetooth and have "wireless" headphones
Has a built in mic, so I can answer calls with it in the car or out
Great battery life
Comes with a nice pair of short corded ear buds that have decent sound isolation as well
A minor gripe: If you look at the photos, the buttons are really small with no tactile differentiation. I always have to look at it to figure out what side I'm going push. It would have been so easy to make one side have some tactile difference.
Nice review!!! I just received mine yesterday and I love it as well. Definitely worth 30 bucks. Agree with everything you posted!
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Ordered mine earlier today! Looks like I made a good choice....now I got to go set up some new Tasker profiles
can you pair two devices to this thing (i.e. ELTE for me and 4S for my wife)?
I'm looking for an a2dp adapter to do a fixed install inside my car. Can I leave this hooked up to a usb power source constantly and hide the reciever in my armrest? Also is there any problem using these for a2dp only and using my car's built in hands free?
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I'm looking for an a2dp adapter to do a fixed install inside my car. Can I leave this hooked up to a usb power source constantly and hide the reciever in my armrest? Also is there any problem using these for a2dp only and using my car's built in hands free?
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I would be interested to know if it would automatically power on or stay on for a fix car install. If you just want a2dp fixed install, check out the isimple isfm21. It does hard wired fm modulation or rca line out and has an Android app to change fm frequency.
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can you pair two devices to this thing (i.e. ELTE for me and 4S for my wife)?
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I don't see why not. In fact, it supports two simultaneous connections as well (if the devices support it).
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I'm looking for an a2dp adapter to do a fixed install inside my car. Can I leave this hooked up to a usb power source constantly and hide the reciever in my armrest?
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I would be interested to know if it would automatically power on or stay on for a fix car install.
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I have mine hooked up in a sort of fixed install. I have a USB and 3.5 mm cord running through my dash up to my sun visor where the Adapter sits, I was also going to do a totally fixed hidden install, but that would have hidden the built-in mic negating the hands free calling functionality. As long as your armrest isn't surrounded in metal (blocking the bluetooth signal), you should be fine. I briefly had it in my center console to test and it worked fine, then I realized, hey I won't be able to use the mic if I do that.
My USB is hooked up to a secondary cigarette socket I installed that is only live when the ignition is on. You definitely could leave it hooked up to a constant power source, but I don't know what that would do to the battery over time (the bluetooth battery and your car battery). I've decided to play it safe and not kill the battery. Having said that, if it's permanent, it shouldn't be an issue even if the bluetooth battery stops taking a charge. I've seen laptops that have dead batteries, but ppl are able to still use them plugged in.
It doesn't turn on and off automatically, so here it may be different from the StereoClip (I don't have a StereoClip so I don't know). It does work while hooked up to power so you could leave it on all the time as mentioned above. I turn mine off although I did forget one time and left it on, no biggie since it's connected to power. I'm going to set up a tasker profile to remind me to turn it off.
Also is there any problem using these for a2dp only and using my car's built in hands free?
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I don't know. I do know that it supports a2dp, and it supports two simultaneous bluetooth connections if the devices support it to play music, but I'm not sure how that works with calls and whether or not it would try to play the music through your car's hands free system and whatever you have plugged.
I've never had a car built in hands free system so I don't know how that works. There's a small section in the manual about simultaneous bluetooth connections if you want to try and find the manual online.
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I don't see why not. In fact, it supports two simultaneous connections as well (if the devices support it).
I have mine hooked up in a sort of fixed install. I have a USB and 3.5 mm cord running through my dash up to my sun visor where the Adapter sits, I was also going to do a totally fixed hidden install, but that would have hidden the built-in mic negating the hands free calling functionality. As long as your armrest isn't surrounded in metal (blocking the bluetooth signal), you should be fine. I briefly had it in my center console to test and it worked fine, then I realized, hey I won't be able to use the mic if I do that.
My USB is hooked up to a secondary cigarette socket I installed that is only live when the ignition is on. You definitely could leave it hooked up to a constant power source, but I don't know what that would do to the battery over time (the bluetooth battery and your car battery). I've decided to play it safe and not kill the battery. Having said that, if it's permanent, it shouldn't be an issue even if the bluetooth battery stops taking a charge. I've seen laptops that have dead batteries, but ppl are able to still use them plugged in.
It doesn't turn on and off automatically, so here it may be different from the StereoClip (I don't have a StereoClip so I don't know). It does work while hooked up to power so you could leave it on all the time as mentioned above. I turn mine off although I did forget one time and left it on, no biggie since it's connected to power. I'm going to set up a tasker profile to remind me to turn it off.
I don't know. I do know that it supports a2dp, and it supports two simultaneous bluetooth connections if the devices support it to play music, but I'm not sure how that works with calls and whether or not it would try to play the music through your car's hands free system and whatever you have plugged.
I've never had a car built in hands free system so I don't know how that works. There's a small section in the manual about simultaneous bluetooth connections if you want to try and find the manual online.
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Sweet man.. I just bought one based on your review. Do you think you can take a picture of your setup?
I purchased one too, along with a whole host of cables to do a permanent hidden installation.
My only fear is leaving it on all of the time, only charging when I am in the vehicle. Hopefully it has a "standby" mode to conserve power when the power switch is on but nothing is connected.
OP, I won't get mine until Tuesday, is there anyway you can test a permanent always-on installation like I'm talking about by seeing how yours does leaving the power switch on for a day or so?
The tech specs list a 130hour standby battery life. Should be more then enough when the car is not moving. my delema is that I cant find any decent Y adapters to split my one usb socket in my car into 2, But that is another story.
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Sweet man.. I just bought one based on your review. Do you think you can take a picture of your setup?
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Sure, will post some tonight
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OP, I won't get mine until Tuesday, is there anyway you can test a permanent always-on installation like I'm talking about by seeing how yours does leaving the power switch on for a day or so?
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Not really, I use it all the time in and out of the car everyday so I'm always charging it to make sure it's topped off. Sorry man.
I did leave it on overnight once and it was fine.
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The tech specs list a 130hour standby battery life. Should be more then enough when the car is not moving. my delema is that I cant find any decent Y adapters to split my one usb socket in my car into 2, But that is another story.
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Right, but does standby mean power switch is off, or power switch is on but nothing connected?
I just bought this little guy to do the splitting and will install it behind my dash where I already have the wires to my dock run.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10307&cs_id=1030702&p_id=6631&seq=1&format=2
I couldn't find a simple y splitter either, that wasn't 32 feet long....
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I couldn't find a simple y splitter either, that wasn't 32 feet long....
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My concern with that is it'll only charge your phone in USB mode which isn't enough when using navigation with the screen on.
I ended up getting a dual USB adapter that charged in AC mode and running two usb cords.
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My concern with that is it'll only charge your phone in USB mode which isn't enough when using navigation with the screen on.
I ended up getting a dual USB adapter that charged in AC mode and running two usb cords.
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If you have the car dock, it forces AC mode, as long as your charger has enough current (at least 1A).
My charger is 2.1A, the bluetooth will probably pull 500mA and the phone will pull 1A, so in my case (with the dock) the hub should work fine, and will look a lot cleaner with only one cord running from my cigarette lighter to behind my dash.
But to each their own. I'll take pics of my setup on Tuesday.
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Sweet man.. I just bought one based on your review. Do you think you can take a picture of your setup?
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I haven't made it pretty yet. I usually run my stuff for several weeks before I shore up all the wires and hide everything behind the dash properly and make a custom plate to cover up the head unit opening and paint the L Bracket I used black.
http://imgur.com/a/igJgN#6
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If you have the car dock, it forces AC mode, as long as your charger has enough current (at least 1A).
My charger is 2.1A, the bluetooth will probably pull 500mA and the phone will pull 1A, so in my case (with the dock) the hub should work fine, and will look a lot cleaner with only one cord running from my cigarette lighter to behind my dash.
But to each their own. I'll take pics of my setup on Tuesday.
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You know what, at first I was like NUH UH! And then I remembered, the first dock I got didn't do that AND it eventually stopped working (charging) and I had to exchange it for another one. So it was probably faulty. Good to know. Thanks for the heads up.
What's the range on this device? Sometimes I don't have good signal in the office so I have to leave it by a window. Usually no more than 20-30 feet away. Wanted to know cause I like to stream Pandora usually all day while I walk around the office.
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What's the range on this device? Sometimes I don't have good signal in the office so I have to leave it by a window. Usually no more than 20-30 feet away. Wanted to know cause I like to stream Pandora usually all day while I walk around the office.
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I've found that the Bluetooth signal is very dependant on a variety of factors. You'll likely be on the edge of its range though.
For example, in my house I've been 20ish feet away and it works fine, but if go in a certain corner with a bunch of appliances it gets crackly.
I've also parked directly in front of a strip mall store and gone inside easily 30 feet with no issues.
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I'm glad to have found this seeing as how the HTC stereoclip does NOT route your phone calls, when a phone call comes in it mites the music and it will use the speaker on the phone nut your car speakers. It only routs music. Which seems incredibly dumb to me. But I suppose HTC has to sell you another blue tooth device to take phone calls.
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I'm glad to have found this seeing as how the HTC stereoclip does NOT route your phone calls, when a phone call comes in it mites the music and it will use the speaker on the phone nut your car speakers. It only routs music. Which seems incredibly dumb to me. But I suppose HTC has to sell you another blue tooth device to take phone calls.
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Probably because they couldn't be bothered to also lower the phone stream's volume and if they had a mic on the device it would just pick up the other person's voice from the car speakers and it would be a whole bucket of echoes without active noise cancellation.
I got mine, and I have to say it sounds fantastic. I have it in my "fixed" install. basically I have it plugged into a cigarette lighter that turns off with the car, and the audio is running under my console to the backside of my radio.
With the HTC car dock, my phone connects to my factory bluetooth handsfree for phone calls, and the Samsung for music, and standard audio, such as nav.
Only problem I have is it stays on when the power is off which means my phone stays connected when I go into my house.
I am considering cutting the battery wire on the inside to solve that issue.
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Anyone have any recommendations for an automount that is GPS Ready...you know, the cradle can power a GPS unit (Garmin GPS 10)??? I have been looking but drawing blanks on units specific to the Hermes...any help is greatly appreciated...
I recently picked up this mount and it rocks. Only one I've seen that will power a BT GPS unit. Looks like it will power the Garmin 10x, although I use an i.Blue 737 with it.
That's very cool and almost exactly what I need..
would you mind telling me:
How good is the speaker, I find the built in one just a bit quiet for tomtom..
Can it be toggled on/off for voice calls?
What is the vent clip like? I'm not a fan of windscreen mount..
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How good is the speaker, I find the built in one just a bit quiet for tomtom..
Can it be toggled on/off for voice calls?
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The powered speaker is great and is automatically activated when you cradle the device. Actually, the mount turns your phone into a completely hands-free speakerphone. There's a 2.5mm headset jack on the mount and cable with built-in hands-free mic that plugs in between the headset jack and the powered speaker. Or you can just use a BT headset and bypass all of that.
There isn't and on/off toggle for the speaker, although my navigation software (Odyssey 4.0) shuts up whenever I'm on a call. I think this must be a feature of the software rather than the hardware, although I'm not entirely sure.
There is an on/off toggle for charging your phone while cradled, although the mount must always be plugged in order to use the powered speaker. There's a separate modular port (always on, not toggled by the aforementioned on/off switch) and pigtail cable included that can be used to charge your BT GPS unit. My only complaint is that the speaker picks up some interference from the phone and/or GPS unit when the charging switch is "on". It's barely noticeable over road noise once you're moving, however.
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What is the vent clip like? I'm not a fan of windscreen mount..
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Haven't used it, primarily because it forces you to use your device in portrait mode (which was a non-starter for me).
I have the same OnCourse mount and my unit also has interference in the mount's speaker when the phone charging is turned on. It's like a constant clicking sound - not terribly loud though, so road noise drowns it out. But then again, I drive a Lancer Evo and there's not much noise dampening material in the car so YMMV.
One other thing is my Hermes doesn't plug into the cradle's mini USB connector easily. I have to rock the phone back and forth a little bit in order for the phone to seat onto the USB connector. Obviously a tolerance issue, but I don't know if it's caused by my phone or the cradle.
The clips are pretty decent. They have 3 notches so you can vary the distance the cradle mounts from the air vent. The clips sit in a slot on the cradle so you can slide them horizontally to change the distance between the two clips. Pretty useful for getting the clips to line up between the air vent's vertical slats.
Overall, it's a pretty decent product.
Fourgig said:
I have the same OnCourse mount and my unit also has interference in the mount's speaker when the phone charging is turned on. It's like a constant clicking sound - not terribly loud though, so road noise drowns it out.
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Yep, I assume it's the radio in the phone, although I haven't done a thorough investigation as to the source. I just don't charge it in the cradle unless I really have to. Kinda wish the powered speaker would function without the power cord, but oh well.
Fourgig said:
One other thing is my Hermes doesn't plug into the cradle's mini USB connector easily. I have to rock the phone back and forth a little bit in order for the phone to seat onto the USB connector. Obviously a tolerance issue, but I don't know if it's caused by my phone or the cradle.
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Ditto. Not terribly easy to get it mated with the USB connector on the way in. Or very easy to get it out, for that matter as it's pretty much impossible to avoid pressing all the buttons on either side of the phone when grasping it. But, like anything, you eventually get the hang of it.
Fourgig said:
The clips are pretty decent.
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If only they'd have designed it such that you could go landscape, too.
mplang said:
Anyone have any recommendations for an automount that is GPS Ready...you know, the cradle can power a GPS unit (Garmin GPS 10)??? I have been looking but drawing blanks on units specific to the Hermes...any help is greatly appreciated...
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Here is the sam mount but by i.trek over at semsons
http://www.semsons.com/ipocrmowiins18.html
use coupon seth005 to get 5% off. Just ordered it today.
Trinergy said:
Here is the sam mount but by i.trek over at semsons
http://www.semsons.com/ipocrmowiins18.html
use coupon seth005 to get 5% off. Just ordered it today.
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Yep, same mount... better price!
Fourgig said:
I have the same OnCourse mount and my unit also has interference in the mount's speaker when the phone charging is turned on. It's like a constant clicking sound - not terribly loud though, so road noise drowns it out. But then again, I drive a Lancer Evo and there's not much noise dampening material in the car so YMMV.
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Sounds could be coming from your cars electrics, they're notorious for noisy power, particularly if the ground is bad.
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If only they'd have designed it such that you could go landscape, too.
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Why does everyone love landscape? I use tomtom and I much prefer portrait.
icemantwilight said:
Sounds could be coming from your cars electrics, they're notorious for noisy power, particularly if the ground is bad.
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Think one of those engine grounding kits would help?
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Why does everyone love landscape? I use tomtom and I much prefer portrait.
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I'm right there with ya! I've never found a good use for portrait mode, other than watching movies.
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Think one of those engine grounding kits would help?
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Really hard to say, if your ciggie lighter (power socket) and your battery both have a good ground connection then you should be right..
I know this isn't the answer you're looking for, but I always use two bits of bluetack to fix the Vario to my dashboard behinf the steering wheel.
Is virtually free and very effective. You can also use a cigarette lighter to USB thing to power your GPS unit and/or the Vario, or wite a USB cable into the dashboard if you feel like it.
Semson / OnCourse car kit
I got the unit from Semson using the horn (global 9) suction mount. That's the non flexible hose mount. Whoever found that link, thank you. You saved me good amount of money compared to the OnCourse device. I highly recommend the horn mount as well. It's just a big chunk of plastic. Billion times better than those flexible ones...those shake like hell.
I noticed also that when my phone is charging, the speaker makes all kinds of noise on this thing. But if I turn the charging off, it goes whisper quiet.
It's pretty much crap as a hands-free device though. The other end always hears echo and stuff. But it's great as phone holder for TomTom use with loud announcements and such. I got the RJ11 to miniUSB and it charges my Holux mini-GPS (keychain type) one fine as well.
So far I'm rather happy with it.
Anyone use this with the Visiontac Bluetooth GPS?
Its not on either of the lists, and doesn't charge with a regular mini usb plug, some some other unique plug.
Does anyone know why they say it wont work with a Holux GPS device? Does the unit draw more power? or is the USB pinout different? I'm thinking it should be quite easy to mod the cable if thats all that's holding it back from working properly.
Also on that matter I imagine you could disconnect the speaker internally if you didn't want to use it.
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Does anyone know why they say it wont work with a Holux GPS device?
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If I'm not mistaken, the USB port on the Holux is for serial data only.
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Also on that matter I imagine you could disconnect the speaker internally if you didn't want to use it.
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Or, easier yet, disconnect the power to the mount. Although, I believe the USB connection also stifles the Hermes speaker as if you'd plugged headphones into it.
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If I'm not mistaken, the USB port on the Holux is for serial data only.
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No, I'm pretty sure its for charging, as that is the only port on the device, and I always charge mine in the car or off my pc with a standard USB cable. Heck, it even came with a USB Car Charger...
I may risk it and just order one, I'm sure it can be hacked to work, unless its an issue of not having enough power or something.
I assume that I could also use the USB port to charge my Jawbone Bluetooth headset? No reason why it shouldn't work is there?
Thanks,
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Would this mount work with a phone using a silicon case?
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No, I'm pretty sure its for charging, as that is the only port on the device, and I always charge mine in the car or off my pc with a standard USB cable. Heck, it even came with a USB Car Charger...
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Buygpsnow.com has live chat and a forum as well, so you could ask them why they say it won't work. I thought it had a proprietary charger interface, but if it's USB...
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I may risk it and just order one, I'm sure it can be hacked to work, unless its an issue of not having enough power or something.
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What are the output specs of your regular charger? My i.Blue is +5V/0.5A/2.5W.
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I assume that I could also use the USB port to charge my Jawbone Bluetooth headset? No reason why it shouldn't work is there?
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Here again, can't imagine why not, unless the output isn't sufficient.
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Would this mount work with a phone using a silicon case?
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Not a chance as the phone fits very tightly in the mount.
what can i buy that will let me listen music from my tp2 to my car radio.
ariel123 said:
what can i buy that will let me listen music from my tp2 to my car radio.
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An FM Transmitter - there are loads. I have 3 - 2 bluetooth, 1 a built-in cradle / FM Transmitter.
Just do a search...
ariel123 said:
what can i buy that will let me listen music from my tp2 to my car radio.
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if you have an auxiliary conx on your radio you can just connect it with a 3.5 cable.
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An FM Transmitter - there are loads. I have 3 - 2 bluetooth, 1 a built-in cradle / FM Transmitter.
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Care to list the brands you have, or the websites you found them on?
I currently have an fm transmitter, and a horrible cradle.. would love a better solution, especially an unified one like you mention having.
Thanks
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Care to list the brands you have, or the websites you found them on?
I currently have an fm transmitter, and a horrible cradle.. would love a better solution, especially an unified one like you mention having.
Thanks
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OK I started out with a Venturi Mini which worked fine for a while, then physically broke after only a few months. I managed to repair it with a bit of soldering, and it now works intermittently.
I therefore (on recommendation from XDA) bought an obscure bluetooth transmitter from ebay. This is much more substantial and robust - and gives a very strong signal. This has worked perfectly, the only problem is it's size and having to use an extension lead and find a way to stick it out of the way in the car so it doesn't get in the way of changing gear! (Depends where your cigarette lighter socket is..)
I therefore fancied the combined cradle / FM transmitter instead from here My initial reaction was it was cheap rubbish - the socket was loose so although it would transmit a signal, as soon as you move the car it loses the connection to the TP2, making it useless. However, I then used a pair of pliers to tighten the socket in the cradle, and it worked well for nearly 2 weeks - including charging the phone while driving. I was getting to be quite happy with it, until today it just stopped transmitting a signal. I've opened it up but can't find any obvious loose connections, so it's now trash - proving my initial view.
I am now wondering about the FM talk transmitter. Has anyone tried it?
I have use the FM talk transmitter found on Ebay since July. It works great.
Only problem is that it doesnt charge the phone when the mini-usb car charger is plugged to the transmitter. It only powers the transmitter.
http://cgi.ebay.com/CAR-FM-TRANSMIT...wItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item414aa12524
this works real good for me.
I connect the dongle to an adapter to a tape deck module that you put in your tape deck (if you still have one) The cool thing is I can also use it as a speaker for when i receive calls. Works awesome, and better sound quality than FM transmitter.
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OK I started out with a Venturi Mini which worked fine for a while, then physically broke after only a few months. I managed to repair it with a bit of soldering, and it now works intermittently.
I therefore (on recommendation from XDA) bought an obscure bluetooth transmitter from ebay. This is much more substantial and robust - and gives a very strong signal. This has worked perfectly, the only problem is it's size and having to use an extension lead and find a way to stick it out of the way in the car so it doesn't get in the way of changing gear! (Depends where your cigarette lighter socket is..)
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Thanks for the Info,ive been using one of these for months but the sound quality isn't up to much..very cheap tho so what do i expect! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-FM-TRANSM...emQQptZUK_CE_MP3Access_RL?hash=item5ad4cd5441
Other than the bulkiness around the lighter socket, would you recommend the bluetooth option? i drive an MPV thingy so my gearstick is well out of the way. so this looks like a good option for me if its worth 25 quid. seems too good to be true!!
Also did you have to pay import duty when you got yours??
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Thanks for the Info,ive been using one of these for months but the sound quality isn't up to much..very cheap tho so what do i expect! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-FM-TRANSM...emQQptZUK_CE_MP3Access_RL?hash=item5ad4cd5441
Other than the bulkiness around the lighter socket, would you recommend the bluetooth option? i drive an MPV thingy so my gearstick is well out of the way. so this looks like a good option for me if its worth 25 quid. seems too good to be true!!
Also did you have to pay import duty when you got yours??
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That IS cheap! (You did well to get a few months use out of it)
I would recommend the bulkier transmitter - in fact I'm back to using it now and it works without a problem. It even comes with 2 remote controls - 1 handheld, 1 which attaches to the steering wheel, although these don't work on the recent NRG ROMs to fwd & rwd through tracks (which is a shame).
Apart from the size, I find having to turn on Bluetooth and connect each time I get in the car a bit of a pain (as opposed to just plugging the phone in), but if you're used to that it won't be an issue.
I've ordered the FM Talk transmitter now anyway.
As regards Import tax, I have ordered numerous items from China, Thailand etc. and only once had to pay duty. Generally the retailers have wised up and write 'GIFT' on the label, which exempts the item from duty.
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That IS cheap! (You did well to get a few months use out of it)
I would recommend the bulkier transmitter - in fact I'm back to using it now and it works without a problem. It even comes with 2 remote controls - 1 handheld, 1 which attaches to the steering wheel, although these don't work on the recent NRG ROMs to fwd & rwd through tracks (which is a shame).
Apart from the size, I find having to turn on Bluetooth and connect each time I get in the car a bit of a pain (as opposed to just plugging the phone in), but if you're used to that it won't be an issue.
I've ordered the FM Talk transmitter now anyway.
As regards Import tax, I have ordered numerous items from China, Thailand etc. and only once had to pay duty. Generally the retailers have wised up and write 'GIFT' on the label, which exempts the item from duty.
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Thanks, the remotes would come in handy as the kids use my phone to watch films in the back..gotta love that TP2 screen!! I rekon i'll add it to my christmas list!!
BTW i'm using Miri's 2.5 ROM which does support the fwd/back on my BT headphones!
I use my Motorola T505 for bluetooth/listening to music, mostly Pandora. A little pricey, but I'm not a headphone type of guy and it's technically illegal in California to not use some type of hands-free set.
What kind of car do you have? I'm going to give this a try. It should also charge the phone. It looks like it will display track info in my BMW but not in my VW.
http://gromaudio.com/store/usb_adapters/index.html
Everyone check this out. It's a mount and wireing solution. Some may like it. I will order me one in the next couple of weeks.
http://www.proclipusa.com/default.a...d=&parent_category=4&d_pcat=16708&d_cat=17907
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just buy a car radio with Adanced Stereo support over Bluetooth! that way you can also control your phone through the head-unit .
My method
As Die Bruine said a unit with bluetooth is great! However I couldn't afford the bluetooth adapter for my head-unit. So I have a stereo with a USB reader, after I connect my Tilt 2 I just tell it to go into mass storage mode!
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I connect the dongle to an adapter to a tape deck module that you put in your tape deck (if you still have one) The cool thing is I can also use it as a speaker for when i receive calls. Works awesome, and better sound quality than FM transmitter.
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I do this too, and I accidentally discovered that you can still use the mic from the speakerphone when it's connected (via 3.5mm jack on the Sprint TP2), so I prop my TP2 on the steering column when I talk in my car (luckily, it cradles perfectly and the rubbery paint keeps it from slipping during turns). I'm told that they hear an echo when they talk, but my voice sounds better than any headphone or BT Headset I've used, and the voice quality over the speakers is really good.
well i bought the fm talk been using it for 3 days now and i love it. its easy to use its self explanitory just plug it in and go. makes the music sound louder on my cars speaker the only thing is that it doesnt charge your phone while in use but its not a problem for my i have temporaly flashed back to stock rom because its the only rom that has a long battery life well from my experience .....
thank you ugys for your thoughts i appreciate it
Today I Receive my BCK Stereo universal Bluetooth Headset(From Hong Kong)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I Said i would post my review~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
After letting the device charge for about two hour i decided to hook it up to my TP2 Finally. Btw it come with two headphone, a charger, charging cable, and the BCK.
First Looks: remind me of the ipod shuffle but made out of plastic. The button on the device aren't so sturdy, meaning that they don't click when press, when press you barely notice that ur even pressing a button its soft to the touch.(so far this the only bad thing that i found so far).
Connecting: The Touch Pro2 connect to the BCK without a problem. The BCK use it own volume control, giving you he ability to leave your device on vibrate and still hear your phone ring(When headphone are plug into BCK and headphone are in ear) once your system volume change the change can be heard threw the device(BCK).
Music:sound quality is very good, most of the song i listen to is over 150 kbps. volume really loud since the BCK uses it only volume control and not the touch pro2 system volume(for people that like to listen to music really loud knock your self out). You have the ability to use any headphone you like(3.5mm). A big plus for me is that you don't have to take your phone out of your pocket to change the song or up the volume all can be done wireless threw the BCK!(BTW the headphone they give you is crappy ^_^)
Call Quality: After a 30min converstation on the phone the person on the other line didnt notice any muffling, and had no problem hearing me. Hanging up/Picking up is a breeze even ignoring calls, in call the device use the incall volume and not its on. Incoming call notification the device light flashes blue/red like a cop car behind you indicating to pull over.^_^
Voice Command: and the instruction guide they said the device support voice tags which i dont use. so i wont be able to review this.
Battery life for phone/BCK: BCK stated that the device can last over 10hour of non stop talking 200 hour in idle music playback wasnt stated. I did notice that my touc pro2 was a little warm(guessing cause bluetooth was on and music) as of now i can't tell you if it effect the battery life have to do a full charge for that/normal day use. Confirm that playing music is the cause of the device getting warm, not BCK nore bluetooth.
Device Performance: Didn't notice any lags or hang, freeze up, etc.
Durability: As of now i dont know how the device would hold up against some knock/drop/being sat on/kick/dangle/abuse. Reason why i order two
Radio: i notice that you can't listen to the radio while using the BCK(Stalk FM radio) but i notice that SPB radio allow you to use internet connection to listen to the radio. which basically mean it don't interfere with the BCK.
Well I think that everything, this device can be bought from Ebay(Im sorry if you don't like to shop on ebay) Search (BCK 08 Slim A2DP Stereo universal Bluetooth Headset) new hope this review help you. If you felt like i left something other dont be scared to ask
Reason for this review: Im one of those people that don't like to tell people about something and once they get it it sucks, and on top of that i couldn't find the headphone that came with my device. But overall for something that cheap/ 3 bucks it would get a 8/10
Edit: uploaded pic/want to comfirm why the device get warm(TP2) plus added one more pic
Edit: (August 31) radio update
Nice review. I might have to pick one of these up. Having headphones hooked up to the TP2 with a dongle is cumbersome, but I like to have corded headphones at the gym (they have TVs on the cardio equipment, so I can just plug a set of headphones into the TV when I'm not listening to music on my phone). For $10 (shipped), its worth a try.
yes thrd It.thanx
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Nice review. I might have to pick one of these up. Having headphones hooked up to the TP2 with a dongle is cumbersome, but I like to have corded headphones at the gym (they have TVs on the cardio equipment, so I can just plug a set of headphones into the TV when I'm not listening to music on my phone). For $10 (shipped), its worth a try.
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Ur Welcome. It last about 8 hour playing music.
Based on your review i just bought one, i will let you know how i think of this item!
Ordered one too!
Received this item last week, and so far I like it!
Bought it from ebay from "bestvaluesupplier". Shipping took just under 2 weeks. I knew shipping would take some time from reading his eBay feedback, so that was not bid deal. And the shipping time was really not bad, considering it was $7 shipping from Hong Kong to East Coast US.
As the OP touched upon, the housing of this device does not seem the sturdiest. Decently put together, but its just made of a light, cheap-feeling plastic. And the packed-in headphones are complete throw-aways, they sound tinny and horrible.
But listening to music through my own headphones sounds great, and calls seem good so far on both ends. Everything works great, and it was a breeze to pair with my Tilt2. Looks good, and very functional. Clips well to your shirt, pants, etc. Well worth the $10.
I also thought of another use for this device. If you usually hook your phone up to your car stereo with a 3.5mm cable (or even worse, a cassette adapter . . . like me!), you can use this as a wireless, poor man's Bluetooth adapter in your car!
Thanks again to BeEazy10 for the heads-up on this little device. Its always nice to get a cool, inexpensive toy to play with!
Received my BCK and am very pleased how well it functions for my intended need, simply small dongle to plug any 3.5mm headset for bluetooth cordless connection to Tilt2. For this use, it's perfect: easy to use, simple functions and terrific combination with Tilt2.
Pairing was instantaneous, HTC audio player directly sent audio through, BCK 08 has huge volume control available for any needs, and sounds very, very clean on $25 cans. Oh, and pause, next song, back song as well, button from BCK. Tilt2 screen blacks out and BCM continues playing. Range is very long, played two floors in house.
Tried with CorePlayer and got same results: direct audio play through only BT, no adjustings needed.
Haven't used for call-through function yet, but as stated all I wanted was cordless BT hookup to existing earpieces. BCK is so tiny, it's ideal.
One major flaw: stuffing the BCK unit into a case put undue pressure on it's built-in shirt clip (to position in-call mic) and broke off. The BCK is sleeker without the clip and a normal mic cord slider clip can replace function equally well.
I emailed seller to see about replacement, but be VERY gentle putting side or crossways stress on the clip portion.
Update: eBay seller immediately offered refund or replacement, and is sending one out.
http://cgi.ebay.com/BCK-08-Slim-A2D...-Headset-new-/260619163711?pt=PDA_Accessories
Wow, ebay hates me. I had to do a guest checkout with my school email. I tried going into the password reset form for my real account and it was in German. I answered the questions after translating the page on Google and it was wrong. I hate Ebay.
Glad
glad to see everyone enjoying the BCK. I been using mines for about a month now it everything working perfectly. Just remember to always use the stock changer for you dont have overcharging problems.
Updated first post. For ppl who like to listen to the radio
The FM radio will not work with ANY Bluetooth device because it requires a corded headset to be plugged in to use as an antenna.
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The FM radio will not work with ANY Bluetooth device because it requires a corded headset to be plugged in to use as an antenna.
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well this bluetooth device has a place to plug in a headset so the radio should work
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The FM radio will not work with ANY Bluetooth device because it requires a corded headset to be plugged in to use as an antenna.
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But it work with SBP radio like i said in the first post
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well this bluetooth device has a place to plug in a headset so the radio should work
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Nope. It has to be a physical connection to the device. The radio will not work over bluetooth, trust me. It won't even turn on if nothing is plugged into the USB port.
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But it work with SBP radio like i said in the first post
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That's because SPB Radio is not really a radio, it is an internet streaming app. It does not use the FM hardware.
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That's because SPB Radio is not really a radio, it is an internet streaming app. It does not use the FM hardware.
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lol ur wrong about one thing. SPB radio use both. internet, and FM hardware.
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Nope. It has to be a physical connection to the device. The radio will not work over bluetooth, trust me. It won't even turn on if nothing is plugged into the USB port.
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Haha. Yeah, Doo Doo is not understanding that something needs to be plugged into the USB port on the phone to act as the FM antenna.
But whether the FM radio app turns on when something is not plugged in, depends on the ROM. I have a Tilt2 with a custom ROM, and the FM radio app opens, but you don't get any radio stations without headphones or an adapter dongle plugged in (and speaker turned on).
But regardless of whether or not something is plugged into the USB port, it still won't play the FM radio to a Bluetooth headset.
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lol ur wrong about one thing. SPB radio use both. internet, and FM hardware.
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And what evidence do you have of this? It says nothing on the SPB website about the program being able to use ANY radio hardware. In fact, it only mentions internet streaming. This means that unlike the hardware radio, it uses data, which could cost you plenty if you don't have a data plan. Please keep to what you know instead of passing along erroneous information.
I should be getting mine by the end of the week. I'll see how it is. I need a new skullcandy earbud set, since mine is wearing out.
im looking for a seamless quality aftermarket solution for BT stereo input to my radio.
ive got a pre-2005 ford lincoln, and i would like to just enter my car, my phone auto detect, connect, and be used as my wireless mp3 player.
right now i have an aux adapter+headphone cable to connect direct to the phone, but im tired of that. I wanna go wireless.
Any suggestions? i'd either install myself or get a local audio shop to do it for me.
thanks
Sprint sells the HTC Car StereoClit(AUX) which should do what you are asking I think. It plugs into the aux connector and has a USB port for power. I just picked one up today after search all over the web for something like it with no luck. Was $60. I did find it online at several places but they were all the same $60.
Just found this thread that talks about the unit... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1663446
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Sprint sells the HTC Car StereoClit(AUX) which should do what you are asking I think. It plugs into the aux connector and has a USB port for power. I just picked one up today after search all over the web for something like it with no luck. Was $60. I did find it online at several places but they were all the same $60.
Just found this thread that talks about the unit... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1663446
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The Samsung HS3000 in my opinion is better (has more features) and is only ~$30.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1711299
I'm taking pictures of my setup now and will post them in that thread in a few minutes.
I bought a Parrot MKi9200 a couple months ago and have never been happier. Along with the bluetooth music capability, it adds the hands-free phone capability as well as giving you multiple options for hardline connectivity (for friends equipment)
i'm also using a Samsung HS3000, everything hardwired behind the dash and battery disconnected for power on/off with the cigarette lighter's supply. Wired a second 2 port cigarette lighter to the hot wire of the factory cig, then grounded nearby on its own ground to avoid any ground loop issues. Ran both wires to my glove compartment and velcro'ed the unit to the ceiling.
I haven't tried the mic as my headunit has BT phone profile but no A2DP, upgraded from a parrot MKi9100 as i found with my OG Evo trying to do flac over BT it loses considerable quality over a wired solution. If you want both phone and music capability the parrot line might work but the Apt-X on the HS3000 or the stereoclip is superb. I thinks someone mentioned that with the stereoclip it does not pass audio to the headunit when calls come in and instead takes the call over the phone's speakerphone. The HS3000 does however have a mic and will take the call over the headunit and using it's internal mic.
I am was in your situation as well but I couldn't find a hard wired car kit that had apt-x codec built in, plus none could touch the hs3000 on price. I just opened the back of my hs3000 and disconnected the battery then went onto my Bluetooth settings and clicked on the hs3000 and unchecked use for headset so it only connects for audio.
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I was also looking to go this route. My Prius has a 12V socket and an AUX jack inside the center console so I wanted some sort of bluetooth receiver that was not battery powered. The 12V socket in the car is only active when the car is on so the bluetooth receiver would automatically power on when the car is and allow the phone to sync. Such a device just doesn't seem to exist and I've given up the search.
I just stopped by the Sprint store today and picked up the Sprint EVO LTE car dock and the HTC car stereo clip and got 20% off so total for the two was about $75 before tax. The instructions said it needed to be charged for two hours out of the box so i connected the car dock and the HTC stereo clip both into my dual USB port 12V adapter. I did get some ground loop feedback from the HTC stereo clip being plugged in but when the music was playing it sounded great. Definitely not as much ground loop noise as playing over the 3.5mm audio cable from the phone while plugged in and charging.
I'm going to order the ProClip center mount for my car and get a ball mount adapter for it to use with the car dock because the slope of the windshield puts the phone out of reach. Hopefully with the ProClip center mount the phone might get some air from the vent to cool it down too, I've never felt it as hot as it was in the car dock!
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Hopefully with the ProClip center mount the phone might get some air from the vent to cool it down too, I've never felt it as hot as it was in the car dock!
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I have the same issue with the phone in the window getting hot. Wish I had gotten the white version.
You may not want to spend the money, but honestly its well worth buying an after market head unit with built in bluetooth. Picked up my wife's bt equipped pioneer from Walmart for $145. Great investment.
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buying an after market head unit with built in bluetooth.
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What is a head unit? Are you talking about a head set?
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What is a head unit? Are you talking about a head set?
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A head unit is an aftermarket car stereo.
njfoses said:
A head unit is an aftermarket car stereo.
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That is not always an option these days. With all the "intelligence" in some cars, they put it in the radio. My 2006 Impala put all the controls in the radio so you can't just replace it. And if you have the aux port already, a unit like the HTC stereo clip is cheaper and easier to install.
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What is a head unit? Are you talking about a head set?
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The cars radio.
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edboston said:
That is not always an option these days. With all the "intelligence" in some cars, they put it in the radio. My 2006 Impala put all the controls in the radio so you can't just replace it. And if you have the aux port already, a unit like the HTC stereo clip is cheaper and easier to install.
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I've yet to come across a vehicle its impossible to replace one in that's not brand new. It can be a little difficult, but there's always a way. Stereo clip is definitely probably cheaper and easier, but not the best solution IMO.
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I just got an Alpine 135bt head unit. It has built in bluetooth and a wired mic. It's worked really well with the EVO thus far. Easy to install as well.
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I own a 2010 Impala LT (no BOSE) (so I have virtually the same body style and features as the 2006) and I installed a Kenwood KDC-BT852HD and a Metra GMOS-100 all-in-one interface. With this set up, my phone connects over blue tooth for audio and talking on two different channels so that I can take calls on the deck even if I'm listening to the regular radio. It also has a broken as hell pandora function.
Not only that, but the interface kit allows for all the stock bells and whistles to continue to work. My door Chimes, remote start, blinker, and steering wheel controls all work just fine.
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I installed a Kenwood KDC-BT852HD and a Metra GMOS-100 all-in-one interface
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I just did a quick look up of these two items and found them on Amazon. The radio was $163 and the adapter was $229! So you are suggesting spending almost $400 and modifying your car when you can accomplish the same thing for $60 without making any modifications? The OP only wanted to use his phone as an MP3 player. While replace the factory radio can be done, I was just trying to point out it was not as simple as the other solutions presented.
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I just did a quick look up of these two items and found them on Amazon. The radio was $163 and the adapter was $229! So you are suggesting spending almost $400 and modifying your car when you can accomplish the same thing for $60 without making any modifications? The OP only wanted to use his phone as an MP3 player. While replace the factory radio can be done, I was just trying to point out it was not as simple as the other solutions presented.
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Obviously, you don't need to spend that much on a deck - I just wanted a really nice deck and I had some specific requirements.
As far as I'm concerned, having stock track and volume control at my fingertips on the steering wheel while listening to pandora over blue tooth is totally worth it.
See also: track info on the dash over blue tooth.
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I just did a quick look up of these two items and found them on Amazon. The radio was $163 and the adapter was $229! So you are suggesting spending almost $400 and modifying your car when you can accomplish the same thing for $60 without making any modifications? The OP only wanted to use his phone as an MP3 player. While replace the factory radio can be done, I was just trying to point out it was not as simple as the other solutions presented.
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Sure you can do it for $60, but you will be much more satisfied if you've got the cash to spare.
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I posted this up a while ago. Not sure if its what your looking for but I made a write up
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=903264
Integrate Bluetooth audio from phone to car audio
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Has anyone found a good car dock for the 4g? I want to find something so I can position the phone on the lower console and use Google maps/navigate for my GPS, and have it charging as well. The dock needs to allow access to the headphone jack, as I also plan to connect to car stereo aux input. The beats audio sounds better than the car CD player.
Ideally, the dock should be really easy to put in/take out the phone (without risk of damaging the usb port). Also prefer to not need adhesive to mount it if possible
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Has anyone found a good car dock for the 4g? I want to find something so I can position the phone on the lower console and use Google maps/navigate for my GPS, and have it charging as well. The dock needs to allow access to the headphone jack, as I also plan to connect to car stereo aux input. The beats audio sounds better than the car CD player.
Ideally, the dock should be really easy to put in/take out the phone (without risk of damaging the usb port). Also prefer to not need adhesive to mount it if possible
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Verizon sells a car dock. http://www.verizonwireless.com/ibolt-car-mount.shtml $30
It's the only one I have seen available so far. Interestingly enough it is cheaper through Verizon then on any other site ($35).
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Verizon sells a car dock. http://www.verizonwireless.com/ibolt-car-mount.shtml $30
It's the only one I have seen available so far. Interestingly enough it is cheaper through Verizon then on any other site ($35).
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Thanks. Since the price was actually less at the VZW store, I went in tonight to look at one to see if my phone would fit in the dock with my TPU case on the phone . The phone fit okay - well enough to dock properly without stressing the connector. Since the sales tax would be less than the $5 shipping on Amazon, I went for it. Much to my surprise, I got a $7 discount, making it $25 out the door. Very happy with the dock so far. Now to figure out best mounting location in car and run the cables.
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Thanks. Since the price was actually less at the VZW store, I went in tonight to look at one to see if my phone would fit in the dock with my TPU case on the phone . The phone fit okay - well enough to dock properly without stressing the connector. Since the sales tax would be less than the $5 shipping on Amazon, I went for it. Much to my surprise, I got a $7 discount, making it $25 out the door. Very happy with the dock so far. Now to figure out best mounting location in car and run the cables.
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Cool. I've been thinking about getting one myself. Please let us know your thoughts after using it for a bit as I'm sure it could help others decide to get one or not. Will probably help me as well.
I've got the iBolt dock on the way, which I think is the same one you're talking about. Used one with my Rezound too and it worked well.
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The dock is the Verizon branded iBolt car dock.
My initial impression is still positive despite not finding the perfect spot for it in the car yet. Yesterday, I simply stuck it to the windshield, but I prefer it lower.
Pros
Made just for the Dinc4g. Fits fine with my TPU case, and it also has an insert for using without a case. Also works with the Seideo Active case.
Appears to be of good quality
Power plug in the back with same micro-usb connector
Phone immediately recognizes it is docked and switches to landscape for everything
Automatically switches to Car mode, All icons are big and driving friendly
Can use Google Navigation (I disabled VZNav app)
Google Navigation plays well with Google Music, automatically lowering the volume when turn directions are given
Car app can be set to automatically turn on and connect bluetooth devices when docked (works well)
Cons
Does not come with charger, you must supply your own
Blue power indicator LED is very bright
Car app display is always on (but if you exit the Car app, the screen will time out normally)
Car mode uses their Music app, which is oddly not GPS voice friendly. I have not found a setting to change which music app it will use
No lead in for the in-dock connector. Must be careful when inserting and removing to not bend it
Questions
The HTC Car app does not have a lot of useful settings, mostly bluetooth related
(I am not currently using any bluetooth devices, and am using a patch cord to stereo aux input)
Edit: I am now using the HTC A100 CarClip for streaming audio to stereo. Works great, but doesn't work for phone calls, which is truly annoying.
Gripes unrelated to dock
Google Maps/Navigate at some point removed the separate Nav volume control. With Google Music, the Nav app will automatically lower the volume while the GPS voice talks. However, listening at a normal volume in gMusic, the GPS voice is way too quiet. Using the HTC Car built-in music app, the music does not lower or pause, but the Nav voice is at about the same level. While testing GPS/Music, I got a call and the in-call volume is super quiet and the nav voice does not pause during the call and it's super loud compared to the in-call volume...
I will update the above lists as I find things