GPS Extension Kit Version 2.0 - Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime

This is really a concept, and perhaps a request, nothing more and it is directed at Asus, who seem to not be shy about using its relationship with the user community to better it's products. This is directly inverse to Samsung who (at least with mobile phones, I cannot speak to the way they manage tablets) It appears that Samsung would rather pretend they aren't aware of the ICS "Leaks" that are coincidentally issued at regular intervals, only to hit the enthusiast user base in the form of an Odin leak, and then multiple re-worked ROMS with bugs identified and often resolved. Sure, this is speculation, but if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck... Particularly "coincidental" is the way every succeeding "leak" has the fixes that were either identified or requested during the public alpha testing phase.
I admire Asus (partly) for their more direct approach, even if it feels like the moves of a smaller company, which of course they are. For the most part Asus has tried to directly engage the user community with unprecedented moves like entry into these forums. Unfortunately they haven't been super successful at getting perfect results from the approach, even if they have found some solutions. A perfect example is the GPS Extension Kit - an antenna when you boil it down. Yes, it solves an issue. It does so effectively, it IS an elegant solution in spite of claims to the opposite. Where it falls down is an R&D, something that Asus seems to be inconsistent with. The "kit" does not allow for charging while in use, something that most agree would have been possible, via a pass though port. In fact, were such a port present (an this may or may NOT be physically possible) Asus might have been able to either a) Attached the keyboard, not directly, but with a small cable via said pass-through port. Or, consider THIS: If a small cable attachment were part of the kit, might it not be possible to attach the antenna via a cable TO the attached docks charging port?
Okay, okay, I am straying really far afield here. None of the ideas I mentioned are elegant in any way, nor are they simple and clean as the actual design was. BUT they do illustrate that with further R&D, a more fully fleshed out concept might have been designed.
Now, two things in Asus' defense:
1. They were under tremendous pressure to design a fix quickly as the backlash from the original GPS flub (R&D falls down again)
2. It needed to suit both Tablet-only customer and Tablet-Dock combinations.
With that in mind, the singular, basic design makes sense. More to Asus' credit, it works. Quite well. But the absence of a pass-through for charging, on a device that says "Please remove GPS extension when not in use "to save power" is just poor design. My daughter (9 years old) suggested Asus build an "a" and "b" version for attachment to the tablet and dock respectively. Not bad. I suggest Asus get BACK to the drawing board and great a GPS Kit v2.0 that has some or all of the above mentioned capabilities.
ESPECIALLY the power pass through. If a re-design is not practical (likely as the cost would not make sense from a ROI perspective) then what about a Y-splitter? It WOULD be a complex little adapter, one that effectively allows a pass-through, and assuming firmware could be designed, might also fill the requirement for a keyboard/dock connection while the antenna could still be connected. Visualize: a pair of female connectors, one to the port on hinge side of the keyboard, one to the exiting GPS Extension antenna. Now a short section of durable cable, and put a male connector on that end to attach to the base of the Tablet's screen, which, although not nearly as "elegant" as the kit by itself has the singular distinction of allowing Prime owners to charge while navigating, and/or attach the keyboard dock while navigating. It may not LOOK elegant, but on a technical level, is as elegant as you could wish for.

Well, my views on the GPS Kit they sent out are:
Aesthetics:
- I am not too impressed with the fact there are three screws on the front, wouldn't it of looked better the other way round? [Minor]
- The color looks a tiny bit different because the Dongle has a sparkly type paint where as the prime has a solid color with the pattern. [Minor]
- It's bigger than I expected, I would of liked a smaller more compressed one. [Minor]
Functionality:
- I put it on and tested my GPS and It found 5 satellites but couldn't get a lock on any of them and I left my prime trying to get a lock for over an hour, I rebooted and tried it again, It just found 13 satellites and locked onto 8 of them with a accuracy of 16ft (Inside a solid brick house) which quite impressed me.
- It has no slot to enable charging which is a major flaw.
- You can't dock your tablet to the keyboard so you can't take screenshots or obviously use the keyboard.
- The lock & unlock toggle is not spring loaded, which is poor design.
- It does however make the tablet on it's own easier to hold, less slip chance.
- Because it's not a permanent solution it prevents some of my security working as it is supposed to and it also prevents me from having the keyboard attached and having a lock on for Google Latitude.

You can't dock your tablet to the keyboard so you can't take screenshots or obviously use the keyboard.
You can take screen shots without the keyboard. Hold down recent apps button.
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Smurphjw said:
You can't dock your tablet to the keyboard so you can't take screenshots or obviously use the keyboard.
You can take screen shots without the keyboard. Hold down recent apps button.
Sent from my SPH-D710 using xda premium
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Correct. Also as was mentioned the lack of a pass through charging port is unforgivable, no matter how "rushed" they were to provide this (and they were rushed). GPS is a major power drain, so much that Asus has a sticker on the dongle telling you to take it off when not in use. A pass through port would have been easy and not add a tremendous amount to the cost. Of course the firmware would need to support it, but we all know how good Asus is with tablet firmware. :silly:

Or.........
they could have added a wifi antenna or module where the GPS on the module could be switched off through software (or hard wire; easy block to do)
Or........ they could have impressed ALL of us by adding a separate BT, wifi, and GPS chip. Albeit, more expensive but how many of us wouldn't have paid for the more expensive option if given the chance?
now the AIO combo (wifi, bt, GPS) is equally impressive but it still doesn't solve the charging problem. extended antennas however would have allowed to provide better signal though. they did solve the wifi issue, if not more than 6 months later, by holding steady, staying mum and not publicly addressing the issue, and RMAing when appropriate (even if it didn't solve the problem).

There is a thread i posted a while back in reguards to adding a power input (+15v) to the gps dongle to power the prime. Find the thread about it here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1633747
Because of the extremely fine pitch leading to the dock connector and the lack of space and general lack of time on my part (school started up, derp) i have not had time to move the project forward however i will def help if someone wants to give it a shot.

Related

Virtual Keyboard (VKB). Any Thoughts?

Has anyone used this Vitrual Keyboard (VKB) thing?
A friend of mine said he saw someone on the train using it and appeared to work rather well.
Has anyone here been in contact with it?
http://www.internity.co.uk/vkb.asp
Ben
I have one of these - bought from Expansys. It works surprisingly well, but there are a few caveats:
You have to learn a new typing style - index fingers only, with the rest in a fist and thumbs tucked in - otherwise you get keystrokes you didn't expect.
It's not wireless, and the cable plugs into the base of the XDA2. With no stand and no landscape mode, this makes it very difficult see what you're typing.
It should ship with a USB cable to support charging & data, instead of needing a power brick. Given the ubiquity of USB ports on pretty much EVERYTHING, this is unforgivable.
All that said, it's still way cool - add it to the Xmas list...
Nice.
In this world of pure gadgetry, there is no room for those inferior beings without a VKB, so methinks I'll have to buy one.
Bosh.

I Hope ASUS fixed the grounding issue with the charger.

I just hope (pray is more like it) that Asus made the stupid USB proprietary charging cable longer than the ridiculously short one with the original Transformer. The goofy thing was like 3 feet long, could barely reach a tabletop or desktop from a wall outlet. And for anyone just getting a TF for the first time, note that you need USB 3.0 spec extension cables to extend the charging/sync cable that ships with the Transformer Prime; 2.0 would not charge since the pin-outs are different. My cheat? I uses a regular ac extension cord, and plugged the charging inverter (transformer?) into the regular ac extension cord, that way I could extend it as long as I liked, with no concern about leakage, signal loss etc...
Oh yeah! One BIG THING: I hope that the Prime does not have the quirk where the power supply, when oriented "right side up" (plugged in with the ASUS logo readable) has a grounding issue like the Transformer TF101 did. Anyone who had one might know what I mean. If you lightly touched the metallic sections when charging with the cable oriented one way, the thing had an electric "Buzz" running through it, like a fine vibration. Not dangerous to people, I would think, but when first noticed it I was seriously concerned. I did a bunch of research on it, and basically, if you flipped the charger around in outlet, it went away. All they had to do was make one blade of the plug wider, but perhaps grounding is different in some markets, so they weren't able to do that.
They had several revisions for it, but never fixed it, as far as I know, and I had one of the last serial numbers.
All I know is you take a reasonable durable electronic device, but one where there is no "Frame" or "Chassis" because they wanted it to be ultra slim, and what they do is solder components onto a board that IS the chassis. That, along with a nice strong piece of Corning Gorilla Glass, and you have a reasonably rigid, strong, yet extremely thin device. I think they outright stole the process from Apple's Mac Book Air, and did it first with the Zen Book (Another device I am lusting after, but a bit short on the cashola to be grabbing anytime soon, LOL!)
My concern, if you want to call it that, is that improperly grounding a "durable" but in other ways "sensitive" grouping of electronic components, so much so that the user can literally feel the stray voltage, can not be all that good for the components. I mean, it's not exactly ZAPPING you when you touch it,but it feels downright creepy.. and I do not like it. I think, f my new Asus does this as badly as my old one, I may give them a heard time about it. But I will not be shipping my unit in for inspection - No freaking way. If they want to reproduce it, they can just grab one of their own and work on it. Just don't stand in a puddle during testing, okay guys?
SmartAs$Phone said:
I just hope (pray is more like it) that Asus made the stupid USB proprietary charging cable longer than the ridiculously short one with the original Transformer. The goofy thing was like 3 feet long, could barely reach a tabletop or desktop from a wall outlet. And for anyone just getting a TF for the first time, note that you need USB 3.0 spec extension cables to extend the charging/sync cable that ships with the Transformer Prime; 2.0 would not charge since the pin-outs are different. My cheat? I uses a regular ac extension cord, and plugged the charging inverter (transformer?) into the regular ac extension cord, that way I could extend it as long as I liked, with no concern about leakage, signal loss etc...
Oh yeah! One BIG THING: I hope that the Prime does not have the quirk where the power supply, when oriented "right side up" (plugged in with the ASUS logo readable) has a grounding issue like the Transformer TF101 did. Anyone who had one might know what I mean. If you lightly touched the metallic sections when charging with the cable oriented one way, the thing had an electric "Buzz" running through it, like a fine vibration. Not dangerous to people, I would think, but when first noticed it I was seriously concerned. I did a bunch of research on it, and basically, if you flipped the charger around in outlet, it went away. All they had to do was make one blade of the plug wider, but perhaps grounding is different in some markets, so they weren't able to do that.
They had several revisions for it, but never fixed it, as far as I know, and I had one of the last serial numbers.
All I know is you take a reasonable durable electronic device, but one where there is no "Frame" or "Chassis" because they wanted it to be ultra slim, and what they do is solder components onto a board that IS the chassis. That, along with a nice strong piece of Corning Gorilla Glass, and you have a reasonably rigid, strong, yet extremely thin device. I think they outright stole the process from Apple's Mac Book Air, and did it first with the Zen Book (Another device I am lusting after, but a bit short on the cashola to be grabbing anytime soon, LOL!)
My concern, if you want to call it that, is that improperly grounding a "durable" but in other ways "sensitive" grouping of electronic components, so much so that the user can literally feel the stray voltage, can not be all that good for the components. I mean, it's not exactly ZAPPING you when you touch it,but it feels downright creepy.. and I do not like it. I think, f my new Asus does this as badly as my old one, I may give them a heard time about it. But I will not be shipping my unit in for inspection - No freaking way. If they want to reproduce it, they can just grab one of their own and work on it. Just don't stand in a puddle during testing, okay guys?
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you''d think with the new product...with the safety of ground vs hot....they would have fixed it ..but NOOOO....i felt this "vibration thingy" last night and thought something was wrong. I know i have dirty power in my house...and it doesnt do it while plugged into the USB of my computer....
Glad to see this was an earlier issue and although i thought i moved to different sockets in the house..i cant honestly say i truly "tested" flipping the plug around. i'll try that when i get home.
ps. it's retarded that the only way to charge is via the plug. 12v. really? oh and charging my tablet yesterday after picking it up and opening at work revealed a dead tablet...the plug was super hot after charging for about 4 hours...
SmartAs$Phone said:
I just hope (pray is more like it) that Asus made the stupid USB proprietary charging cable longer than the ridiculously short one with the original Transformer. The goofy thing was like 3 feet long, could barely reach a tabletop or desktop from a wall outlet. And for anyone just getting a TF for the first time, note that you need USB 3.0 spec extension cables to extend the charging/sync cable that ships with the Transformer Prime; 2.0 would not charge since the pin-outs are different. My cheat? I uses a regular ac extension cord, and plugged the charging inverter (transformer?) into the regular ac extension cord, that way I could extend it as long as I liked, with no concern about leakage, signal loss etc...
Oh yeah! One BIG THING: I hope that the Prime does not have the quirk where the power supply, when oriented "right side up" (plugged in with the ASUS logo readable) has a grounding issue like the Transformer TF101 did. Anyone who had one might know what I mean. If you lightly touched the metallic sections when charging with the cable oriented one way, the thing had an electric "Buzz" running through it, like a fine vibration. Not dangerous to people, I would think, but when first noticed it I was seriously concerned. I did a bunch of research on it, and basically, if you flipped the charger around in outlet, it went away. All they had to do was make one blade of the plug wider, but perhaps grounding is different in some markets, so they weren't able to do that.
They had several revisions for it, but never fixed it, as far as I know, and I had one of the last serial numbers.
All I know is you take a reasonable durable electronic device, but one where there is no "Frame" or "Chassis" because they wanted it to be ultra slim, and what they do is solder components onto a board that IS the chassis. That, along with a nice strong piece of Corning Gorilla Glass, and you have a reasonably rigid, strong, yet extremely thin device. I think they outright stole the process from Apple's Mac Book Air, and did it first with the Zen Book (Another device I am lusting after, but a bit short on the cashola to be grabbing anytime soon, LOL!)
My concern, if you want to call it that, is that improperly grounding a "durable" but in other ways "sensitive" grouping of electronic components, so much so that the user can literally feel the stray voltage, can not be all that good for the components. I mean, it's not exactly ZAPPING you when you touch it,but it feels downright creepy.. and I do not like it. I think, f my new Asus does this as badly as my old one, I may give them a heard time about it. But I will not be shipping my unit in for inspection - No freaking way. If they want to reproduce it, they can just grab one of their own and work on it. Just don't stand in a puddle during testing, okay guys?
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I also have this with my HP laptop, which also has an aluminium shell. I think that is normal.
EDIT: My Desire Z (G2) also had this, pretty sure that is normal.
The Prime "buzz"
Mine definitely has the grounding issue / buzz. Inverting the plug alleviates the problem but you'd think design measures could be taken to eliminate the problem.
the tf201 charger is unchanged from the tf101. the replacement/spare asus sells is a single part # for both.

Why do Sony do this?

I have a house full of Sony products, I like the brand and build quality very much, but, with the Sony tablet, I cannot undersatnd why, they choose a 'special' impossibe to obtain plug, also, a charging voltage of 10.2v!
The internal battery inside the tablet is a standard 5v type, as are the workings I believe, so, it would very possible for them, to allow charging via micro USB at a standard +5v, as a lot of other tablets do.
The charger is £29+ to buy, nothing special, if I could get the plug, I'd knock one up for couple of £.
I also have a high end Sony 3D televison, that has facility for internet via USB, but, you can't use a standard USB wireless dongle unit, it has to be Sony, as they installed some data in the USB stick to stop you using cheaper USB dongles..... why?
Further, my Sony MP3 player NWZX1060, will not accept charge via any other, but Sony 5v power supply, the Sony ones are of course 5 times the price!
Don't get me wrong, I love Sony gear, but, feel slightly annoyed the way they do things, even more so with the Sony Tablet.
Anyone else with simialr feelings?
Horse Trader said:
I cannot undersatnd why, they choose a 'special' impossibe to obtain plug, also, a charging voltage of 10.2v!
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I agree that Sony's plug selection was ludicrous; however, because most USB ports on computers and chargers cannot supply the 2.9 ampere charging current that the tablet requires, I believe Sony purposely selected to use a non-standard connector to help prevent their customers from damaging their computers, etc. And Sony using 10.5 VDC instead of 5 VDC decreases charging time (similar to the difference between quick-charge and trickle-charge of an automobile battery charger).
I understand exactly what your saying, but, surly for sheer convenience, Sony could has incorparated a slow(er) charging facility from standard 5v supply, using computer USB or different lower current charger, most other portable devices allow this.
I love Sony stuff, but, they always seem to do things differently, nothing wrong with that of course, until it cost your more, sometimes unnessacery money! ..... maybe!
Horse Trader said:
I also have a high end Sony 3D televison, that has facility for internet via USB, but, you can't use a standard USB wireless dongle unit, it has to be Sony, as they installed some data in the USB stick to stop you using cheaper USB dongles..... why?
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You know, I've heard this a lot, but I bought some nameless brand USB adapter plug on Amazon and it works just fine. Maybe I got lucky.
As for the power adapter, I always assumed it was a special port to accommodate their cradle and keep other tablets from taking advantage of it. Seeing as I don't care about the cradle and would love to charge this thing in a car, it's still awfully inconvenient.
hogaburger said:
I bought some nameless brand USB adapter plug on Amazon and it works just fine.
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Please provide a link to the adapter you bought. Thanks.
Horse Trader said:
Further, my Sony MP3 player NWZX1060, will not accept charge via any other, but Sony 5v power supply, the Sony ones are of course 5 times the price!
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I've not had any problems charging my NWZX1061 with my PC, USB hub, or Sony Ericsson EP800.
Horse Trader said:
Further, my Sony MP3 player NWZX1060, will not accept charge via any other, but Sony 5v power supply, the Sony ones are of course 5 times the price!
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Sorry, but this is wrong! You shouldn't buy the cheapest China Crap charger but your x1060 works with non Sony chargers, too. I had a x1060 and it cod be charged through my Usb-chargers from Palm, Belkin, Blackberry etc. without problems!
On the rest you are right... but most companies do this!
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Cat McGowan said:
I agree that Sony's plug selection was ludicrous; however, because most USB ports on computers and chargers cannot supply the 2.9 ampere charging current that the tablet requires, I believe Sony purposely selected to use a non-standard connector to help prevent their customers from damaging their computers, etc. And Sony using 10.5 VDC instead of 5 VDC decreases charging time (similar to the difference between quick-charge and trickle-charge of an automobile battery charger).
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Rapid charge thru higher amps lessens way battery life way faster and Sony know that but people want faster charging times
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Please provide a link to the adapter you bought. Thanks.
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0027YYMU6/
So far I've connected a keyboard, mouse, logitech usb gaming controller, and synced my PS3 controller with this adapter. I'm on stock ICS.
Sorry for the late reply. Just got a new phone and haven't made it back around to this part of the forums yet
Feel like Ive been treated as a crash test dummy.
Wish I'de never bought this tablet, the main reason is the charging problem, I spend most of my life on the road with no respite until I get home in the evening and no access to the 240v needed for charging, with the occasional foray into work related periods during which time my tablet is important, so many times have i had to rely on paper and pencil until I got home because the tablet was dead, which defeats the whole idea of mobility.
And dont tell me about the tablet needs a certain amperage or voltage or charging time etc., other tablets manage without the stupid tethering to a socket and as for the ics fiasco for Uk users, what can I say.
As a product I like it, but its a bog standard operating system nothing to set it aside from the rest except its design, but the cons far outway the pros for me.
Mind you sony are not alone in there disregard for their user base, I started with HP ipaqs, until HP decide in there wisdom to stop supporting them, then there was the Dell streak episode (painful) Im still paying for a phone contract for a phone that I cant get repaired because the parts are no longer available, had about a years use out of it befor it broke, not good for a £400 + phone.
Im of an age that expects more out of my purchases than the shoddy service we get served up with by manufacturers that treat us with destain and use us as a beta testing ground with impunity when things go wrong.
Sorry about the rant, must have got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning, still its a thumbs down from me.
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henly said:
Wish I'de never bought this tablet, the main reason is the charging problem.
And dont tell me about the tablet needs a certain amperage or voltage or charging time etc., other tablets manage without the stupid tethering
As a product I like it, but its a bog standard operating system nothing to set it aside from the rest except its design, but the cons far outway the pros for me.
Mind you sony are not alone in there disregard for their user base.
Im of an age that expects more out of my purchases than the shoddy service... and use as a beta testing ground
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I disagree with you here (respectfully, of course).
Battery:
Although other tablets can be charged off USB, they have sacrifices as well. Tablets chargable by USB will be much slower to charge and (theoretically) have shorter long-term lifespans. Sony decided that the 240v-only charing was a worthy tradeoff for the quick charging time and long battery lifespan.
Software:
This software is actually quite distinct from most other HC/ICS tablets. It is thankfully spared from the mess that is TouchWiz UX, and instead gets useful additions like Small Apps, the Favourites launcher, the three-icon dock, and heavily customised and highly versatile stock app inclusions. Although I like Acer's wheel launcher, the Sony is the best all-round software package I've seen from an Android tablet since my original Galaxy Tab.
Support lifespan:
I feel for you on this one as a previous owner of an original Galaxy Tab, the disregard for older devices is disheartening, but is to be expected in any dynamically developing field such as Android Tablets. It is simply not economical for companies to maintain full support for product lines that have been superseded, are getting old or simply don't have the users. It doesn't make business sense. In their defense, Sony support have been fantastic in my limited experience.
"Beta" nature:
It's unfortunately the nature of cutting-edge products that there will be unexpected quirks, but you should factor this into the buying decision. Long-established lines like Samsung's Galaxy Tab's are an obvious example of better-known, and more refined tablets. As an iPaq owner, you should remember that the original ipaq's were very quirky, buggy and generally lacking in refinement at the expense of their great functionality. The same is to be expected of this product, which you must remember is Sony's first foray into the Android Tablet market.
Anyway, sorry for the even longer rant, but I simply love my Tablet S and find that many users are maintaining some unreasonable expectations for this product and generally not thinking before they're buying in some cases.
I agree with most of what you've said, but as a comsumer with no loyalty or affiliations to any one product I simply want what is best for me, and you know as well as I, that when you buy a product such as this, it is mainly bare bones for a while until the industry gets it act together and things like car chargers etc come along, and that is what I expected, I did'nt realise until much later that you couldnt charge through the usb port in fact there are still items being sold on ebay under the term Tablet S charger which appear to be just a standard usb lead.
I originally bought a Ipod 1, which I returned to the store because the salesman assured me that it would play flash vids which in fact it would not, (some problem with Adobe apparently, fixed now I believe in Ipod 2.) and the Tablet S was the next thing to be recomended and with the dearth of info on the net at that time, I didnt have much option.
As for software, the first thing most of us here on this forum do is to root, then rip out all the stock apps and Bloatware and replace with different UIs etc.
Support seems to be shoddy in the extreme (and I dont nesseccarily mean Sony here), but most like you (respectivly) seem to accept it, personaly I hate it, but I seem to be in the minortity, I would dearly love to go round to some of these companies with pitchforks and burning firebrands (joke, in case anyone takes me seriously), would you accept the same thing if it were a car you were buying or a house, just because a thing is only current today doesnt mean it should not be fit for purpose, it should have a life span of more than two weeks.
Economically viable, Ha, have a look at Sony share prices or any of the market leaders come to that.
I simply dont factor in quirks or anomallies into my buying decisions because I as a paying full price consumer, expect things to be fit for purpose, and, i reiterate, with a resonable life span, how can it be right that something you pay good money for be entirely unusable in the space of a few months.
Thats all I'll say on the matter, please dont regard this as a flame because it isnt meant as such, and im sure I must be breaking some forum rules ranting on, my appoligies if thats so.
I can see what you're saying.
This is not specifically about you, more other users, is that everyone needs to remember to research before buying a product. In your case, a quick Google Search would reveal that no iOS products are capable of playing Flash content and never have been. WP7 is the same while Android can play it after installation. The same goes for the Tablet S in that anyone who posts about no hardware video out, a lack of custom ROM support, or simply the smaller screen size has obviously not done much research about what they're buying. Different devices have been designed for different purposes, and people are expected therefore to buy the right tool for the job.
As for Sony themselves, remember that this is their very first Android tablet and is a very small part of their business. Their tablet division, which hasn't sold amazing numbers, would be being helped along in terms of share price and revenue by Sony's other businesses including the highly successful BluRay, DLNA licensing, PlayStation, XPeria, Walkman, Sony Pictures, Sony Music BMG, CyberShot, and BRAVIA units. Compared to those, the Tablet S is a minor blip in the radar.
Although to me your expectations seem high, and references to two-week lifespans seem odd, thats obviously your opinion and you're entitled to it. Just trying to give any readers a clear picture of what to expect.
.... Some very interesting replies in this thread, most, of which I agree with.
Sony, is now a massive company, huge, so, surly, theR & D departments would have given an indication of what people actually wanted in a tablet?
Another thing about Sony is, they seem to lock their (modofied Android) firmware down, such as the Sony Xperia S I bought a couple of months ago, this I discoverd some time later, has a locked bootloader, so, I can't put another (better?) firmware, I think it's simlar to the Sony S tablet?
Some people will say, it's to stop you messing and spoilng things?? if a person wants to change firmware etc., surly it's up to them, if they mess up, it's their fault, and, if neccessary, should pay to have it rectified (by Sony?)
I love Sony stuff, I have a house full of it, but, when you want to expand, use non Sony gear with it, change or, deviate from the norm, there is usually always a problem.
Is this all in Sony's interest to generate even more cash ......... I wonder?
Just my thoughts.
Although cash is a bit of the process, its more to do with Sony's hardware and software philosophy. All of Sony's devices from the Xperia's to the Tablet's to the PlayStations rely on Sony's design which uses locked down software models to ensure that the device works as Sony designed it. They basically believe that a tradeoff in user customisation is worth the more polished experience. This does unfortunately mean that early products in a line (think early Ericsson-partnered Xperia's and the Tablet S) sometimes mess up the balance a little.
Sony, as a brand, often invests in its own proprietary formats, software and designs, and therefore tends to lock them down more than their more open brethren at other brands like Asus.
I agree with you about their R&D and I find it odd that in some respects they nailed it (I love that glorious curved design), but in other respects buggered it (battery,software tweaks). Meh, who knows??
imho opinion the S is the best non-ipad tablet out there. If you think Sony lock the system down and control how you use the device you haven't experienced Apple products.
I'm happy with the S. The remote control, native DNLA and Flash support are the 3 things that sold it to me. Now upgraded to ICS It's not rooted and I can;t see a need to root it.
sure I;d like a better screen and a faster machine but who wouldn't.
Hi ...
I echo what you, and the previous 'senior member' said, I too have no reason to root the Sony Tablet S, yes, it's a lovely machine, that's why I bought it, mine was the same price as the iPAd, but, I choose Sony, as, I'm sure lots of other people did too.
My gripe was directed at the Sony Xperia S mobile too, that firmware is locked down firmly too, and, being a fully qualifed electronics engineer, I cannot understand, why, the Sony S tablet, has a UK charger of 10.2v at 2.9A.
It would have been a great help, if a slow (emergency?) charge facility was available via the micro USB socket at 5 volts, although, your limited to 500mA on USB 2... more people now have USB3 which allows much higher charging current, so, in my opinon it's very possible.
Or, maybe 2 x USB leads, as on the Sony portable CD reader/writer, that uses 2 x USB plugs to deliver the extra current required.
The internal battery inside the Sony S tablet is actually 5 volts, so, it seems quite possible in theory, to allow a lower current charge at 5 volts, although will take a lot longer to charge up fully of course, maybe up to 10 times as long? ... B U T , it might just get some people out of a mess?
Also, the wierd plug Sony use for the Tablet DC power supply charger, if I could get a plug itself, I could build my own car charger, an easy task.... a 'standard' DC socket arrangement, would have been better, some tablets use this type already, they could even incorparate that into the dedicated Sony Cradle.
Just my opinion, Sony do things in strange ways ........
What does anyone else think?
I totally agree that Sony does some strange stuff sometimes.
Still love the innovation that Sony brings to their products.
Sony has a long history of doing things that make their consumers feel like they have gotten the finger. The company spent more see development time on the PSP blocking hacks rather than adding the features those hacks were being used to create. The same energy initially went into their music sales; anyone else remember the rootkits that came with their disks at one time? All of the proprietary things mentioned above fall into this category too.
That said, this tablet is yet another in a long line of successful products in terms of usability, ingenuity, and quality from the company. I have rooted, but for the most part Sony's product works well on its own. I'm overjoyed with the USB conversion dongle, and the tablet is nice to hold.
It's unfortunate that the company has so many low lights in its dealings with customers, but it's not like we should be surprised. Personally, i bought this tablet when i saw this board and knew that it would be another Sony product with side development for the dumb bugs. Now if i could just get plants vs zombies to work...
--Databoy2k

Want to swing an idea at you (removable radio)

so picture you have a 10.1 inch tablet. (or any tablet for that matter) that has WI-FI built in. this tablet also has (for simplicities sake in explaining what im talking about) a gigabit port inside the device. the actual port is at the end of a 1" tunnel. This tunnel resembles a stylus tunnel on the note 3.
inside this "slot, slides a 1" wide , 8mm thick "cell phone" the phone has a simplistic screen, and a keypad, enough ram and processing power to get calls/text done. But it also has a radio. it also has the ability to interface with the tablet ( think lan cable) giving the wi-fi only tablet radio signal.
The idea behind this is that oyu have a practically fully functional tablet, but you also have a "cell phone" that you can drop in your pocket, or take with you on a quick grocery run, etc. flip phone style. you would charge the phone when inside the tablet, or via a stand alone charger.
the second part of teh idea is that the port would be standardized across all hard ware, so that the basic "radio" would fit in multiple devices. or you could keep your phone and buy a new tablet, or vice versa.. maybe you have a cell but no tablet, and your friend does..
Is this feasable? is it a bad idea? I constanlty find myself not wanting to take a 6" screen with me everywhere, or it just much simpler to pull the sim card and stick it in a dumb phone when you need to do rough work.
I guess its a terrible idea then eh? LOL
no such thing as a terrible idea
There is no such thing as a terrible idea, having said that, it probably isnt viable to manufacture as everyone wants slimmer smaller toys not ones with things built in that may slip out break or get stolen. Probably just needs to be built either in CAD or similar and see if you can work out whats wrong and whats right. It would stop a lot of duplication with products, having two or more things doing similar jobs. Why not also then have a connection slot built into your car that you just slipped the radio unit into and you then have full use in the car while it is charging and then take out as you leave to have full phone. Just give me 2% when you get it built. good luck:good:

keyboard dock stopped working- now working again? what is known about such problems?

Hello there. I am an early adopter of this device.
After all the disappointment with the wifi and gps capabilities and failing to utilize the tf201 as a light netbook replacement, I stowed it away somewhere and lost interest, as I didn't buy the thing to play angry birds. Now about two weeks ago I remembered the tablet and wanted to try amusing our cat with it (which amazingly works great, he is all about those cat video games now ) and got out the dock as well, since someone had apparently ported a few linux images to the tf201 more successfully then last time I read up on it.
The keyboard dock was pretty much an external battery it seemed. None of the keys would work whatsoever but the touchpad did. The battery was recognized and charged fine. I tried the sd-card slot and usb connector, both also working.
I have been searching the net for similar issues and found a lot of people whose docks were dead, with various symptoms. I tried a lot of things unsuccessfully and continued to use the dock as an external battery and for quick charging with the wall plug.
Well then yesterday I connected the dock again to charge the tablet a bit, and what do you know? the keyboard is working again. WTF? I have reconnected the tablet multiple times now, folded and unfolded the whole combo and it is still working today? Could it be a software problem? Is it multiple things causing this?
I decided to open a thread and gather information in one place, so that others might find it easier to troubleshoot this.
Following is a list of things that other's who have similar problems might try to fix/investigate. After that I will post some things that I have tried in order to troubleshoot my problems and please share what ideas you might have, as I am sure the problems with my keyboard dock will return eventually.
Here is what I was able to gather as potential root causes and possible fixes for dead keyboard docks:
1) The ingenious product design of the dock hinge makes it a premium dirt trap. Lots of bits and dust can get inside and will all the time, as the gap is wide open and there is convenient rubber on the sides with glue that dissolves and attracts crap that is basically uncleanable. But the connector is! So try cleaning the first. Sadly it is not easy to access but cotton swabs and a tooth brush with some cleaning alcohol will do it. The tablet side can be cleaned more easily but also isn't so problematic as a dust trap.
2) The flex cable inside the dock can become loose due to vibrations. This was a problem with the transformer generation before and they seem to have improved the design but I still read reports from people who had this happen. This is the easiest to fix out of all of these problems and if you have connection problems with your dock, make sure to check this. The dock is very easily opened with a phillips screw driver, a plastic prod (guitar pick, old credit card, cheap phone repair tools etc) and some patience. Be sure to not lift the two halves away from each other, as the cable connecting the top to bottom is very short and if you are not careful, you'll rip off the connector on the pcb. Check the flex cables and reseat them.
3) The connector between the tf201 and the dock is built very flimsily, but better then the first transformer series. The connector on the tablet side can lift off the pads it's soldered to due to flex and stress because it carries the tablets weight partially without a lot of support. The good news about this is, that if you have a decent rework station, this is potentially fixable. Opening the tablet is a hassle, you need a heatgun to soften the adhesive around the case (noone mentions this it seems) and slide the locking tabs in the recesses (where the tablet usually locks to the dock, left and right from the connector) to the open position. Then carefully pry the whole assembly open and get access to where the flex cable is connected to the dock/charge port. with a proper hot air rework station, that port can be reflown if the pins have indeed lifted from the pads on the little pcb. But this is also very finicky, as you will melt stuff in the process without shielding it from the heat (captone tape or maybe aluminum foil can do the trick).
4) Software? I only have theories on this but I think a lot of cases have some sort of software problem. What is known about how the dock functions?
- it contains a battery, which can be charged independently of the tablet. Charging this battery requires 15V and cannot be done with a common usb connection.
- there is a usb host connector, so there must be a controller for that inside the dock. it's not just wired through to the tablet, there is stuff happening here.
- there is an sdcard slot, so there must be some hardware responsible for powering and reading/writen to that as well.
- there has to be some sort of firmware, responsible for the low level things going on in the dock I am thinking, it has to do powermanagement for several internal devices.
so my conclusion from this information is, that maybe some of the problems could be caused there. how could this be debugged?
or:
- the custom rom could have a problem with the dock. The software side might be wonky for whatever reason. I am running a KatKiss 7.1.2 rom and AOSP is the only choice I can set as the hardware keyboard. Some people had success with hard reseting their tf201 or even a factory reset or reflash. A lot of people reported this did nothing for them.
TL;DR if your keyboard isn't working, your dock isn't charging, or some other feature on your dock seems dead suddenly, try the above things and please report. I am trying to collect all info on this to help people troubleshoot and investigate these issues.
- I have tried to hard reset the tf201 with dock attached and without. didn't help.
- I opened the dock and reseated the flex cables, but they looked fine in the first place. Also didn't help.
- I tried fiddling with the keyboard and language settings, also did nothing. Don't want to reflash/change roms just yet, I couldn't gather any cohesive info on wether people -had these sorts of issues due to a custom rom.
- I cleaned the connector on the dock and the tablet with isopropyl and got out lots of gunk but this also did not help.
now I was about to reopen the tablet (I was in there before to fix something on the case), but then it suddenly started working again. So I am pretty reluctant to just open the tablet to check at the connector pcb, since it is quite risky and I am glad I was able to get the thing back together so neatly, after I opened it the first time. I have a hot air rework station and a microscope to check and repair this, but now that I am thinking it might be a software issue after all, I really don't want to risk ruining the tablet. It's obviously not made for being repaired/maintained (thanks ASUS, it's not like it was extraordinarily expensive...).
Here's the issue I had..
https://www.androidpolice.com/2011/...-battery-drain-here-is-why-and-how-to-fix-it/
Having missed the window to have this repaired by Asus I just leave my keyboard in a drawer to keep papers from curling.
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HorthLithperer said:
Here's the issue I had..
https://www.androidpolice.com/2011/...-battery-drain-here-is-why-and-how-to-fix-it/
Having missed the window to have this repaired by Asus I just leave my keyboard in a drawer to keep papers from curling.
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thanks for that link. So that apparently just concerns people who have a dock that has it's battery draining, which I am luckily not one of. I also did the test described in the link, so I guess powermanagement is not affected by the firmware incompability in this regard.

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