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Hello fellow members.
As a mod to this Forum, i have opened this thread to address issues faced by the users related to this sub-forum. No problems related to the device will be entertained in this thread.
all users are requested to put forward their issues in this thread and i shall look into it and do the best to put away with ne such issues.
cheers.
Currently I am going through each and every post of the android development sub-sub-forum..
i think i have to delete many posts and clean up a lot of the threads.
i'll do that as soon as i m over with going through the forum..
cvchetan said:
Currently I am going through each and every post of the android development sub-sub-forum..
i think i have to delete many posts and clean up a lot of the threads.
i'll do that as soon as i m over with going through the forum..
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Hi cvchetan,
to my opinion this is a not needed Sisyphean task.
You'd have to clean thousands of useless posts and flame wars.
The main Problem is, that there are lots of users that start threads again and again without using the forums search.
And: Some People cross post in wrong threads so that the threads go off topic very soon.
Also flaming and swearing against some people is a main problem.
(That's why most X10-Root-Devs gone private).
I'd say: from now, keeping the eyes open and moderate here and there, as you began recently, would be enough to keep this Kindergarten under control...
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Hi cvchetan,
to my opinion this is a not needed Sisyphean task.
You'd have to clean thousands of useless posts and flame wars.
The main Problem is, that there are lots of users that start threads again and again without using the forums search.
And: Some People cross post in wrong threads so that the threads go off topic very soon.
Also flaming and swearing against some people is a main problem.
(That's why most X10-Root-Devs gone private).
I'd say: from now, keeping the eyes open and moderate here and there, as you began recently, would be enough to keep this Kindergarten under control...
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wel that is indeed a good idea...
but then we need to remove unwanted posts and threads so tht the threads become useful to any new members or visitors as they do not have to read through all unwanted data..
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wel that is indeed a good idea...
but then we need to remove unwanted posts and threads so tht the threads become useful to any new members or visitors as they do not have to read through all unwanted data..
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What about just making the most useful one sticky, clean the waste out of them and close them?
So this ones would be the reference.
Within first post could a link to a discussion thread.
This behavior works very well over at gsmfreeboard.com .
My Idea: put all good guides into an own sub category "Guides".
These Guides should be closed. If there are any increments, these Posts / Threads could be opened for a short period of time.
They can be edited by the thread starter / poster anyways.
Then there should be a second sub category "Discussion on Guides", where common users can ask everything, regarding the posts.
I have a suggestion for a new sub-forum. Something along the lines of "X10 Café" where the discussions could be informal for more general ramblings about the X10. I hesitate to call it off-topic since the topic would be the X10. Think of it like a free-for-all with general decency rules, no flaming, no personal attacks but an otherwise open place where we can air grievances or just toss around ideas.
That way general can be more about news, events and so on while the speculation and what have you goes on in the Café. It would make keeping up with the forum a lot easier since it should be a place that you don't really "have" to read.
well i like both the ideas..
lemme consult with my fellow mods for futher actions..
Maybe you can stick a link to the Wiki X10 Page and edit this Wiki page to add links to useful posts in the forum ?
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SonyEricssonXperiaX10
imo this forums needs some temp/permanent banning, plain and simple. I read threads here every day since I have the x10, and I have to agree with many people here, some users just don't understand patience, don't understand how to use the search options and then they have to cry out loud for something they want now but they cannot provide any help so they keep posting useless replies in every 'used to be' useful threads.
The 'Café' kind of forum is a nice idea too, to me it sounds a lot like the general discussion forum but still, the mods should do anything to keep the good discussions going.
Going back to the dark lurking around, WAITING for the good stuff without acting like a 12yo, and I'll give some money for the hard work, whatever i can give, until then keep up the good work guys
I started reading on XDA since 2 weeks when I bought my first droid phone (the X10 obviously ). This is my first post though because for every question I had i was able to find the answer in the forums.
The real PITA was when I started reading the rooting and custom rom dev threads where seriously 80% of the posters are either off topic, flaming or simply asking questions that already have been asked AND answered earlier.
As previous poster said I wouldn't mind that mods would apply temp bans to flamers and off topic poster or even perm bans when people continue to do so.
I did read in another x10 subforum that there was a X10 mod appointed (dunno if there are more than one), but unfortunately haven't seen much of that person specifically on those rooting and rom dev threads where they would have been most wanted.
It is nice to see that you are now taking the time to get something constructive going on. Regarding current topics it probably will be too much effort cleaning those up so it might be better to simply close those topics, start new ones and apply some stricter modding on those (including the temp/perm bans).
I sure would love to see the x10 devs coming back to these forums to discuss there progress on the X10 rooting for example, but they won't unless something is really done against these unnecesarry flaming/off topic/unnecesarry questions posts.
Regards,
Stephan
PS as soon as I have something in my paypal account again I will donate something towards this forum for the good work you guys are doing
we are too many, so dont blame anybody... things are like they're
FRiKiNFRoG said:
imo this forums needs some temp/permanent banning, plain and simple. I read threads here every day since I have the x10, and I have to agree with many people here, some users just don't understand patience, don't understand how to use the search options and then they have to cry out loud for something they want now but they cannot provide any help so they keep posting useless replies in every 'used to be' useful threads.
The 'Café' kind of forum is a nice idea too, to me it sounds a lot like the general discussion forum but still, the mods should do anything to keep the good discussions going.
Going back to the dark lurking around, WAITING for the good stuff without acting like a 12yo, and I'll give some money for the hard work, whatever i can give, until then keep up the good work guys
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+1 here also i feel that you are talking about me
guys.. what i see here is that you people are posting suggestions rather than problems.
regarding feelings abt hoss_n2, this is what i analysed.
Hoss_n2 seems to be clean at heart and intentions but the wording he uses are kinda direct and might make sumone feel he is demanding. but guys as long as intentions are not wrong no need to attack him..
more over by pointing out that hoss_n2 is doing this, this and bla bla you people too are flaming and remember these forum rules apply to you aswell..
so please keep your calm and help people rather than critisize them.
on the rooting forum i will be deleting all the posts not related to rooting..
cheers..
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guys.. what i see here is that you people are posting suggestions rather than problems.
regarding feelings abt hoss_n2, this is what i analysed.
Hoss_n2 seems to be clean at heart and intentions but the wording he uses are kinda direct and might make sumone feel he is demanding. but guys as long as intentions are not wrong no need to attack him..
more over by pointing out that hoss_n2 is doing this, this and bla bla you people too are flaming and remember these forum rules apply to you aswell..
so please keep your calm and help people rather than critisize them.
on the rooting forum i will be deleting all the posts not related to rooting..
cheers..
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thanks allot you are the only one here that understands me right . may be i cannot say what i really mean with writing as english is not my main language , but they don't give me any chance . sorry for going out of topic but i wanted to illustrate my point . good luck cleaning
I'm not pointing at anyone in particular as I only read threads and rarely look at who posted. My point wasn't to accuse anyone. But warning to off topics and complainers should be sent, failing to change their behavior should lead to more action.
Yes these are more suggestions than issues we have, but I think most of the people know what are the issues. The main one being 'talking in a thread about anything'. Most of the useful threads have a self-explanatory title, reading the original post usually tells a user where he wants to go with the thread he created.
I know some might 'sound' harsh or rude but personally I don't really mind that as long as it does not become a flaming war/troll feeding discussion. But keeping a discussion on the right direction is probably the most important thing in such a huge forum. Then the search tool comes handy when the discussion is going one way.
Warning/temp/perm banning. Sending public message to people saying 'please stop' is not going to work. A temp ban with a nice message included stating what he did wrong should be effective in most cases. Failing to comply after 'x' warnings/temp ban, bye bye we do not need you (They can still read threads, they'll just stop posting what devs don't need).
I'm not pissed or angry at anyone, I'm just one of those people who thinks that moderation is important. The easier/cleaner it is for everyone, the faster we'll get the good news/progress. This site is one big community, let's make it look good/the best there is.
well.. right now m cleaning up threads and rest assured that all off topic posts, flames wars will be stopped from now on..
lets get ourselves together and make this forum productive..
cheers
Maybe issue warning on some fanatic on this forum, some people are extremely rude for no reason, acting like their keyboard and mouse give them God like power.
Realize lots of people have limited knowledge and are trying to get some information. When you see the reaction of some user…bashing on them saying search first idiot there a post about it .Maybe you should realize some of them just don’t know what they have to search. Why not just point them in the proper direction and help them , it would make this forum way more attractive.
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Maybe issue warning on some fanatic on this forum, some people are extremely rude for no reason, acting like their keyboard and mouse give them God like power.
Realize lots of people have limited knowledge and are trying to get some information. When you see the reaction of some user…bashing on them saying search first idiot there a post about it .Maybe you should realize some of them just don’t know what they have to search. Why not just point them in the proper direction and help them , it would make this forum way more attractive.
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you are right i see this usless replies not only here but on all forums ,why don't he just tell the answer ,new members don't think about search they are still new when i was juinor member i faced allot of these replies . if any body don't want to help just don't reply
Pointing the right direction if you can yes, not answering like an a**hole to a newcomer yes. But there is nothing wrong about telling them politely to search, we might know there is a thread on a subject, but pointing them to the right direction is also searching for them in some/most cases. All forums work pretty much the same, joining one means learning how to use it/navigate it.
Search is the biggest tool there is on the internet. This is how you find what you want, this is how you find answers. Internet is full of it. The faster you start, the more stuff you'll get out of it.
BTW: Answering like a a**hole to a newcomer is also worthy of warnings and ban. It's part of the issue too.
I'm all about common sense.
You can generally class users in 3 categories. The devs, the supporters, and the noobs. The devs are resourceful enough to not care, because they'll always find a way to get things done. The supporters have kinda a clue about what's going on, and are always trying to enforce rules to keep the noobs in order. The noobs almost always assume a hierarchy of power, try to suck up, seek attention, and post ridiculous amounts of crap to get out of trouble/sound smart/kiss ass.
So understanding this dynamics, devs really don't care about flaming and junk, they just want to get product out. Supporters need to learn to refrain, not feed the troll and stop thinking they are better than noobs. Noobs usually just chat amongst themselves if left alone, and are mostly harmless.
The only thing that need to happen here is a set of clear guidelines for noobs to read about when to post, where to post, and when not to post. Also, clean up the place from its state now so people don't get the idea that it's okay to post crap. Maybe a reminder (after submission of a post) for users with low post count to remind them useless junk are indeed useless and bin-worthy.
Hi dudes and dudettes
Today, I have been appointed as the moderator for this forum.
Dont worry, I am not here to write a bible of rules for you.
Well, just 4
1 - Search before you post a new thread, a question, or a suggestion.
2 - Be tolerant towards other members. Don't forget you were a noob yourself.
3 - Donot take matters in your hands. PM me or another mod with the link to the post and why you think it should be reported.
4 - Use ENGLISH
And this intro-thread is the only ONE thread in the forum where you can discuss "Off Topic"
This site is a learn from everyone site. I have learnt a lot in the last 4 years I have been on it.
And last, not be any means the least... a little fun doesnt hurt anyone
Feel free to PM me at anytime with whatever you need or want or discuss or even a hello.
Cheers guys!
Prateek
So, guys. We need to wake up. We need to stop asking for estimated time of arrive. We need to respect all the developers. Please read every posts before you posting. Please search before posting. We've lost many awesome developers. It's all because of you you guys keep asking for ETA and never search before posting question. When developers feel tired, then he just decide to leave XDA. XDA is a big family. Only respect between each other can help to maintain the peace. Every developers & members deserved to be respected.
Regarding the CM9 thread, guys. Stop asking about the ETA and 'IS CAMERA WORKING?'! We could lost the only unofficial CM9 development for Galaxy Ace because of that.
Regarding the AOKP thread, guys. Be nice to the developer. Although they made some mistakes. But we have to respect them too. They're human being, not GOD. They working on AOKP based on the CM9. The only AOKP development for Ace currently.
Furthermore, I want to apology to moderators and every members for my behavior. I know I made a mistake. I shouldn't post all those things. Once again, a truly apology to every members and moderators. Sorry.
Some of us made some threads like these last time .
Did they listen to us ? No . The noobishness got worse .
This was sent from a Galaxy Ace. Problem?
Excellent post sir. Your posts re moderator were very nasty and to be honest I'm a little surprised that he's allowed you to stay on xda. Your apology does however appear to be genuine and heart-felt. Regarding the noobs it's important that we guide, advise and assist them, not shout, swear and otherwise abuse what will, eventually, be the devs of the future. I trust that senior members will take the lead in this and stop moaning about noobs xda is not meant to be a closed shop and all new members should be made welcome.
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Excellent post sir. Your posts re moderator were very nasty and to be honest I'm a little surprised that he's allowed you to stay on xda. Your apology does however appear to be genuine and heart-felt. Regarding the noobs it's important that we guide, advise and assist them, not shout, swear and otherwise abuse what will, eventually, be the devs of the future. I trust that senior members will take the lead in this and stop moaning about noobs xda is not meant to be a closed shop and all new members should be made welcome.
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The thing is that this is a DEVELOPER forum . I've seen such a thread where the noobs were trying to fight back discrimination , but were bashed down by the senior mods again .
This was sent from a Galaxy Ace. Problem?
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The thing is that this is a DEVELOPER forum . I've seen such a thread where the noobs were trying to fight back discrimination , but were bashed down by the senior mods again .
This was sent from a Galaxy Ace. Problem?
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That, leaves me to think what I'm doing here...
We're all here to learn and share experiences from one another . Not to ask and whine about ETAs
This was sent from a Galaxy Ace. Problem?
As EmoBoiix3 said, this has been done. Imo people should stop trying to be a revolutionist and just do their part instead of telling others what to do. The only people who will take this to their hearts are those who have a bit decency, and those people are most likely not the "noobs" aka spammers. This kind of stuff are soon to be classified as spam.
It's not that hard to differentiate between genuine noobs (count the posts) and the habitual spammers. Report the spammers to moderator - I'm sure most would agree that so far he has been very fair and quite pro-active in handing out warnings by PM, giving general warnings on thread and being very willing to engage with members. It's his ot their job to police the site and ours to help keep it as clean as possible without totally stiflling comment and input. Also there is one section for Devs this section is everybody's.
Developers have no purpose without anyone to use their Mods and Roms etc.
great post, even great idea, but lets face it, noobs are gonna ignore this
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great post, even great idea, but lets face it, noobs are gonna ignore this
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Get it straight it is not the NOOBS who are the problem. It's the attitude of the rest of us towards them. We should show equal understanding and respect to Devs and Noobs alike !!!
Sometimes they do get pretty annoying lol
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Of course people are lazy. Three or more of the problems surrounding this thread have been posted about several times I note. Maybe the "search this thread" button needs more prominence and easier to use. Maybe repeat questioners should always be directed to search button? It's our xda can't we work to improve it rather than despairing?
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Yep. I made a lot for Samsung Star (not android phone) without any code on my hand 2 years ago. I developed for LG OP, HTC on tiad and did a few things for galaxy 5. As it was in other forums my posts for some of you make me a noob right?
That's why I disagree on calling someone noob just because of the number of posts... And also treating noobs in a bad way because they make the same mistake all of us have made: not searching.
We should just provide a kind answer and invite them to use the searchbar instead of kicking them out.
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Why do people keep posting questions in the general thread?
The same reason they post in development.
They didn't watch the noob video before signing up for an account
Maybe xda should have shark week like something awful does?
They smell like pepper and wear bells around their necks
(Don't ask me for help as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh!
I like roasts. Like the one they did on Charlie Sheen. Classic.
They just ban people left and right for any little thing for a week straight. After that week though they are allowed to pay and come back. There are even little notes on their comments saying "this person got put on probation for this comment" and "this person got banned for that". I lay low for that week.
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Why do people keep posting questions in the general thread?
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I've noticed that when you create a new thread there's a check box asking if it's a question, and if you check that when creating a thread in the development forum it immediately tells you that it's not a Q&A forum and you are breaking the rules. I don't see why that check couldn't be added to the General Forum as well, but it does depend on users noticing that and actually checking the box.
Forums on other websites do a search for similar threads based on the title of the new post. If XDA would implement that, the results could also give some very brief guidelines on where to post a new thread, and I think that would help.
ramjet73
It should be on the general thread. The accessories and themes & apps threads also for that matter. If they just posted where they want and got flamed it would Anarchy rawr ANARCHY!
I think most are junior members. We have to nurture the noobs, love on them, and show them the ways of the force.
Now, members and senior members deserve the smackdown.
Maybe ramjet can post a link to this thread every time he sees someone post a question in the general section. I would help, but I don't know how to post links from the app and I don't know how to work a computer either. Only the phone.:thumbdown:
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I think most are junior members. We have to nurture the noobs, love on them, and show them the ways of the force.
Now, members and senior members deserve the smackdown.
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Lmao Coal you must be missing a pet or something What about the junior members that have signed up like a year ago and still have like 4 posts? How do we know they don't lurk in the forums?
I think some users dont understand basic written english cause its not their native language. I mean c'mon! one of the first thing i read on xda was "DONT POST IN WRONG SECTION". how hard is that to understand
It's starting again. I feel the fear coming on.
And the migraines too. Hangover ugh...
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Nice...
i love the fact that you reminded everyone to use English...i was once searching for Jelly bean ROM...found it in Spanish...It took me 1 hour to translate it using Google...:good::good::good::good::good::good::good:
I will be the FSM keeping a close eye on this particular forum, so if you have anything that needs my attention then shoot me a PM!
Hi Mods,
Glad to see you here
We are here together for making this forum an enjoyed forum by & for all members.
Enjoy a good days here
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PG101 said:
Hi all,
You must have noticed some changes in our moderation team and system. Rather than having moderators on various different devices, it was decided that al related devices should come under the same team.
And so, all Samsung Tab forum are now going to moderated by:
PeartFan40,
arrrghhh,
GadgetCheck,
siberian tiger and
kennethpenn
I have the privilege to lead the above team of efficient and thorough forum moderators.
Now, RULES!
Dont worry, I am not going to write a bible of rules for you.
Well, just 4
1 - Please search before you post a new thread, a question, or a suggestion. Keep the dev forums clean
2 - Please be tolerant towards other members. Don't forget you were a newbie yourself.
3 - Please do not take matters in your hands. PM me or another mod with the link to the post and why you think it should be reported. Or, simply click the magic Triangle (Report button).
4 - And please, use ENGLISH
And last, not be any means the least... a little fun doesn't hurt anyone
Feel free to PM me at anytime with whatever you need or want or discuss or even a hello.
Cheers guys!
PG101
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Point 4 most important