Anyone know if any specific devs or groups are working on S-OFF for this phone? I know its still brand new, but was hoping to have some people to follow on Twitter.
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Anyone know if any specific devs or groups are working on S-OFF for this phone? I know its still brand new, but was hoping to have some people to follow on Twitter.
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None that I know of so far. To new at the moment and there wasn't the big pre-order like the SG3 had to create a large user base.
Wonder if paperclips will be resurrected for this device like the rezound..
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maqsur said:
Wonder if paperclips will be resurrected for this device like the rezound..
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Whatever works. lol
There is a toolset in development forums to unlock and get permanent root.
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There is a toolset in development forums to unlock and get permanent root.
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HTCDev unlock + permanent root does not equal S-OFF. Unlocking your bootloader with HTCDev leaves S-ON but gives you the access to install a custom recovery and custom ROM, while restricting your ability to flash radios and kernels (not entirely restricting, mind you, but it just requires a workaround). S-OFF means a complete removal of limitations from your phone, including the ability to directly manipulate the kernel and radio. Although S-OFF is not absolutely necessary for what most people do with rooted phones (recoveries and ROMs still work fine with S-ON), some people prefer complete S-OFF.
That being said, since the bootloader is unlockable with S-ON, the impetus of getting S-OFF is significantly reduced and thus there are fewer people working on it than there were on, say, the original Incredible where it was the only way.
Chances are you will get a lazy panda port.
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That being said, since the bootloader is unlockable with S-ON, the impetus of getting S-OFF is significantly reduced and thus there are fewer people working on it than there were on, say, the original Incredible where it was the only way.
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This is what I'm worried about. I have had multiple returns with my original Dinc and my Inc2, so voiding my warranty via HTCDev is not an option for me.
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Chances are you will get a lazy panda port.
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Doesn't that require to be unlocked first or has that been bypassed now?
I've sent back many phones here at work that were unlocked and "tampered". Never had a problem whatsoever. Really I think what they mean by voiding your warranty is if you did something after unlocking it that was completely unrecoverable by HTC (which honestly I think is next to impossible) then there's a possibility that they could not honor the warranty. Really I think it's more of a disclaimer that is more based on legal obligations than it is a threat or warning.
I think it depends largely on the cause of the damage to your device. If you're returning a device because of an obvious physical hardware problem (shattered screen, for example), they aren't going to say "oh, whoops, your device's software was tampered with which obviously made the screen break, no go" and anger you as a customer. So I don't think you have to worry about that. However, if you're returning because of something that could be linked to software (audio not working or the phone failing to boot, for example), they will definitely void your warranty. The "tampered" thing is just in place to shield them against warranty abuse--it would cost them a lot of money if a lot of people unlocked via HTCDev, did something stupid to brick their device, and then got it replaced if HTC had no grounds to void their warranty. It's also used as a dissuasion for less experienced users who might risk it if they knew the warranty was solid but wouldn't risk unlocking the bootloader if they were worried about having to replace the device at full price.
But really, the best solution to all of that (in my opinion) is to get the Asurion insurance through Verizon. It's a little extra money, but you know you'll always be able to replace your device for $100 even after the warranty expires and they usually do not even bother to look at the replacement phone before they RUU it back to factory. People have sent rooted phones with custom ROMs installed to Asurion (really obvious ones, like an Incredible running ICS) without a problem.
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Anyone know where Revolutionary is at in terms of doing their magic on this thing?
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Anyone know where Revolutionary is at in terms of doing their magic on this thing?
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Besides not accomplished?
They can either get it or they can't.
We've given them every bootloader that we can get from this device and they have yet to get us S-Off.
What do you want or need S-Off for anyway?
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What do you want or need S-Off for anyway?
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Good question. I've never really read a good explanation of the difference between having s-off or s-on. What are the advantages and disadvantages of each? Obviously people have rooted and installed roms with S-on so what is the point of s-off.
Sorry for the noob questions but you don't learn if you don't ask.
S-OFF is not important to me.
What is important is Warranty vs. "Chance" of no warranty.
With Revolutionary, one can revert to factory state. While one can do the same with the official HTC method, ones IMEI has already been submitted to, your warranty is in their hands.
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S-OFF is not important to me.
What is important is Warranty vs. "Chance" of no warranty.
With Revolutionary, one can revert to factory state. While one can do the same with the official HTC method, ones IMEI has already been submitted to, your warranty is in their hands.
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This is true.
I've only had to do one warranty exchange since I started using cell phones (which was the Nokia 6160). However I purchased the insurance just in case so I'm personally not worried about the warranty.
Just out of interest, are any devs working on hacking bootloader? We had similar thing with HTC Sensation, where HTC promised unlock tool ( and fulfilled their promise) but AlphaRevX beat them to it with Revolutionary. Advantage of Revolutionary is that HTC don't know about you unlocking bootloader and its easy to return to complete stock for warranty purposes.
I'd rather do it this way than official way. So, is anyone working on it? I think I've seen IEF lurking around here.
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This is for the prime right? Cos the voodoo root tool also has an unroot option, I've returned 2 primes so far, both rooted, and unrooted. Using voodoo, had no problems returning them. Chances are they will be returned to asus by who ever you buy from, not sure places like comet or pcworld would have any idea how to check if you have altered anything and by the time they make it back to asus you will have your replacement. I even forgot to unroot a htc desire once returned it to virgin and never heard anything more about it.
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This is for the prime right? Cos the voodoo root tool also has an unroot option, I've returned 2 primes so far, both rooted, and unrooted. Using voodoo, had no problems returning them. Chances are they will be returned to asus by who ever you buy from, not sure places like comet or pcworld would have any idea how to check if you have altered anything and by the time they make it back to asus you will have your replacement. I even forgot to unroot a htc desire once returned it to virgin and never heard anything more about it.
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I'm not talking about root. I'm talking about security off flag here, which would allow flashing custom roms.
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Tinky, I too am wondering about this. I know that early on in the forums people were talking about the encryption and the difficulty in unlocking the bootloader of the prime. I also don't know if the announcement of the unlock tool so quickly might have discouraged devs from trying. I hope they are out there working on it but I haven't seen anything about it here.
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Tinky, I too am wondering about this. I know that early on in the forums people were talking about the encryption and the difficulty in unlocking the bootloader of the prime. I also don't know if the announcement of the unlock tool so quickly might have discouraged devs from trying. I hope they are out there working on it but I haven't seen anything about it here.
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HTC announcement didn't discourage AlphaRev team. So there is hope, I hope.
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I looked to buy the Nook Tablet for a while before I realized I had more money than I thought. My Prime is on its way.
The thing is they have found 2 ways past the locked bootloader. One is an exploit in the code and another was said to be universal. The coding talk was way over my head, however someone should definitely check them.
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Well, not many people are daring enough to risk bricking a $500 tablet. I would though if something like RUU for HTC were present. Sadly though, I heard NVFLash don't work.
jdeoxys said:
Well, not many people are daring enough to risk bricking a $500 tablet. I would though if something like RUU for HTC were present. Sadly though, I heard NVFLash don't work.
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Once bootloader is unlocked you can use update.zip to flash RUU back. It doesn't have to be RUU.exe
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I'm not talking about root. I'm talking about security off flag here, which would allow flashing custom roms.
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Sorry my mistake then. Personally i very much doubt they will unlock the bootloader until they aren't spending all their time with fixing other things. Last thing they will want to do is have to deal with peoples bricked primes. Even if its the users fault it will still take time to work out what they have done, cos the shops will be the ones returning them. Not the user.
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I looked to buy the Nook Tablet for a while before I realized I had more money than I thought. My Prime is on its way.
The thing is they have found 2 ways past the locked bootloader. One is an exploit in the code and another was said to be universal. The coding talk was way over my head, however someone should definitely check them.
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What is your source for these statements?
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I looked to buy the Nook Tablet for a while before I realized I had more money than I thought. My Prime is on its way.
The thing is they have found 2 ways past the locked bootloader. One is an exploit in the code and another was said to be universal. The coding talk was way over my head, however someone should definitely check them.
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Can you link us the two sources you read. Id be interested myself as a programmer.
I don't think that the quality Devs are working on this. Or they're being drowned out by all the crap on these forums. Coming from the Captivate, galaxy s, and nook communities on XDA, this forum is a mess, and its not the fault of any mod. I would hate to be a mod on this forum.
As for attacking the bootloader, I think that many are waiting to see what method Asus uses to see if they can duplicate it for ourselves. With no UART access known yet or secure recovery option, no ones wants to risk it, as was mentioned earlier. We need an AdamOutler or the like to unify the work being done and take the lead on this tablet.
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Its gonna be difficult for any Devs to unlock the bootloader because if i recall the Primes BL is not only locked but encrypted as well...Without the keys..finding a way is extremely difficult..so unless someone from Asus decides to give use the keys..we're stuck waiting for the unlock solution from Asus..Devs don't wanna brick their devices as stated since its so difficult finding a prime..Another device I have the Atrix also had a locked and ecrypted bootloader...it was only unlocked when Moto unofficially leaked a build that had a fastboot unlock command present.
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Its gonna be difficult for any Devs to unlock the bootloader because if i recall the Primes BL is not only locked but encrypted as well...Without the keys..finding a way is extremely difficult..so unless someone from Asus decides to give use the keys..we're stuck waiting for the unlock solution from Asus..Devs don't wanna brick their devices as stated since its so difficult finding a prime..Another device I have the Atrix also had a locked and ecrypted bootloader...it was only unlocked when Moto unofficially leaked a build that had a fastboot unlock command present.
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I remember that as well. However, I don't know if you remember kholk over in the Atrix forums. He was said to be extremely close to cracking the bootloader. Also, we had a custom recovery long before a bootloader unlock. I wonder when we will see one for the Prime.
You just have to go over Nook Tablet forum on XDA, its exactly AdamOutler and others, Nemith etc who unlocked the thing. I followed them in real-time from november to january. The threads in android development are all there, ex : " Unlocking the bootloader and next steps "
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Developers are smart. They're also patient. I believe that instead of unlocking something that will be officially unlocked in a month, they choose to bide their time or attempt other projects.
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Its gonna be difficult for any Devs to unlock the bootloader because if i recall the Primes BL is not only locked but encrypted as well...Without the keys..finding a way is extremely difficult..so unless someone from Asus decides to give use the keys..we're stuck waiting for the unlock solution from Asus..Devs don't wanna brick their devices as stated since its so difficult finding a prime..Another device I have the Atrix also had a locked and ecrypted bootloader...it was only unlocked when Moto unofficially leaked a build that had a fastboot unlock command present.
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That didn't stop AlphaRev from unlocking HTC Sensation and multiple other HTC phones (encrypted bootloader I mean). There is always a workaround, its just a matter of finding it if anyone is looking at it.
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So I helped adam and those guys root and unlock the nook tablet, and let me tell you we spent countless nights working on it. It was only in the source code that we found the loop hole. I'll go snooping around the source code to see if there's anything I can use. There's always a fail safe designed into the system the question is why would we need need it. They said they were going to release it in February so let's give them their time and see what they can do.
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So I helped adam and those guys root and unlock the nook tablet, and let me tell you we spent countless nights working on it. It was only in the source code that we found the loop hole. I'll go snooping around the source code to see if there's anything I can use. There's always a fail safe designed into the system the question is why would we need need it. They said they were going to release it in February so let's give them their time and see what they can do.
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Well I suppose technically they have a week left to do it, but come on, do we really think they'll release it next week? How long did it take for the original transformer? did they promise an unlocked BL for that?
Asus download site now has Unlock Device v6 for ICS in the support section
I've been saying for years to people that rooting does not affect your ability to return a faulty phone. I have returned dozens of phones rooted rommed and even a few bricks. Verizon does not give a ****, why would they? It's just software , and when the device is refurbished it is wiped with machines that are built to reinstall the factory condition (think of re imaging a pc harddrive with the manufactures build of windows)
But now with phones saying "tampered" I'm seeing more and more people worried ..
Well don't take my word for it...
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/1...ging-full-price-of-warranty-phones-if-rooted/
" Our friends at Verizon saw this post and wanted to reach out to clarify everything immediately. First up, is the fact that their policy says absolutely nothing about checking for root on devices. When a phone is received, a phone is checked for three things and that definitely isn’t one of them. They check to see if the box that the device was sent in is damaged, if the outside of the phone looks awful, and if it powers on – satisfy all of those and they move on to the next phone. So basically, these reports of being charged for a rooted phone simply mean that these people were sending in garbage phone with defects."
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You unlock your bootloader you voided warrenty. This is why we need s-off so we can go back to full factory if need be. I sure wont be sending my rezound into verizon.
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You unlock your bootloader you voided warrenty. This is why we need s-off so we can go back to full factory if need be. I sure wont be sending my rezound into verizon.
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not every s-off method, is capable of turning back to s-on..
The point is.. it doesnt matter. Verizon is not checking that.
As I said , I've sent back many devices rooted. HTC dinc.. sent back like 6 of them with s-off.. same with thunderbolt and dinc2. And now.. between my wife and I, we sent in 3 rezounds.. they have all been unlocked and rooted.
So either I'm really lucky (which would he news to me) or verizon doesn't give a ****.. as indicated by them saying "we don't give a ****" in that article
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You unlock your bootloader you voided warrenty. This is why we need s-off so we can go back to full factory if need be. I sure wont be sending my rezound into verizon.
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Show me where this is stated explicitly.. otherwise your just perpetuating incorrect information
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not every s-off method, is capable of turning back to s-on..
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every phone ive had i could go back to s-on. hero, evo4g, tbolt, dinc2.
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Serinety said:
Show me where this is stated explicitly.. otherwise your just perpetuating incorrect information
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not incorrect info. read the disclaimers on the htc dev site, the revolutionary unlock site, heck most if not all of the custom rom threads. if you unlock and root you voided the warranty, since if you relock the bootloader on the rezound both verizon and htc will know by it saying "relocked". im not taking the chance of being charged $500+ to ship it in for repairs.
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You unlock your bootloader you voided warrenty. This is why we need s-off so we can go back to full factory if need be. I sure wont be sending my rezound into verizon.
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Your s-off obsession is starting to worry me.. you need another hobby.
And read the disclaimers--it says you MAY void your warranty. HTC is effectively letting you know they'll choose to honor the warranty or not. And they may. Which means it's not voided. It means it might be voided.
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Your s-off obsession is starting to worry me.. you need another hobby
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it's not an obsession at all, it's the fact that if my phone bricks or becomes defective once i unlock via htc dev there is no way to go back to a full factory state. im sure this is why alot of users have not unlocked and just stay stock. trust me if i knew how to make s-off happen i would. i remember when this phone first launched the devs were hellbound on trying to get it achieved and since it's become a dead project up until recently.
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it's not an obsession at all, it's the fact that if my phone bricks or becomes defective once i unlock via htc dev there is no way to go back to a full factory state. im sure this is why alot of users have not unlocked and just stay stock. trust me if i knew how to make s-off happen i would. i remember when this phone first launched the devs were hellbound on trying to get it achieved and since it's become a dead project up until recently.
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It's become a dead project because there's zero evidence that not being able to go back to a factory state matters in the slightest. To anyone. To the user, to Verizon, to HTC. It means nothing to have "relocked" stamped at the top of your phone.
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HTC is effectively letting you know they'll choose to honor the warranty or not. And they may. Which means it's not voided. It means it might be voided.
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might not void the htc warranty but it does void your insurance with verizon. which means i could not get a free replacement device without paying or going without my phone for a few weeks. that's all i was saying.
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It's become a dead project because there's zero evidence that not being able to go back to a factory state matters in the slightest. To anyone. To the user, to Verizon, to HTC. It means nothing to have "relocked" stamped at the top of your phone.
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point taken, to each their own but i knew the risks when i unlocked and i sure won't be the first to send my phone into verizon, ill just buy another.
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might not void the htc warranty but it does void your insurance with verizon. which means i could not get a free replacement device without paying or going without my phone for a few weeks. that's all i was saying.
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There's zero evidence of that as well. There's simply nothing to indicate your fears are grounded in any sort of fact.
Edit: Tons of people have sent in a relocked phone, myself included, and it's never been a problem for anyone. Ever.
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There's zero evidence of that as well. There's simply nothing to indicate your fears are grounded in any sort of fact.
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not going to argue, i just know i won't be a guinea pig and try to ship it in. it also boils down to what tech you have working on your phone. i remember in my sprint days some stores would flag your device and some would not.
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not going to argue, i just know i won't be a guinea pig and try to ship it in.
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Dude, tons of people have done it on this forum and others, with, as far as I know, a 100% success rate. You're not a guinea pig, you're among thousands of other people who have done the exact same thing.
I guess I don't really give a **** in the grand scheme of things, my Rezound is off contract, but it's a fear that has no basis in any sort of experience any user has had with Verizon, Assurion, or HTC. And if you have insurance, just dunk your phone in your toilet so it doesn't turn on if you're that worried.
I've sent two Rezounds back to Verizon, both rooted and relocked, no problems at all.
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it's not an obsession at all, it's the fact that if my phone bricks or becomes defective once i unlock via htc dev there is no way to go back to a full factory state. im sure this is why alot of users have not unlocked and just stay stock. trust me if i knew how to make s-off happen i would. i remember when this phone first launched the devs were hellbound on trying to get it achieved and since it's become a dead project up until recently.
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so even with a statement from Verizon saying they don't check for that stuff, you still think that they do? But you offer no evidence of this. That's fine..
I am going to get to the bottom of this, because it seems that everyone is just going off of what they "think" is the right answer, with no real evidence.
Im a researcher in physics and engineering, and I can assure you that if someone on my team said "well ya this is what happens because i said so..." it would not go over well.
If it takes me a day or a month, im going to get definitive answers about exactly what is covered and not covered under warranty replacements when it comes to rooting and unlocking.
my hypothesis is that if a phone has a factory defect (bad pixels, faulty buttons) then rooted or not, unlocked or not, it will be replaced. I base this off of YEARS of replacing DOZENS or devices, and not once have I ever "restored" them to factory conditions. I have never been charged for a device. They also say you have to return the device in 10 days or you will be charged. Ive returned devices 2 months later and never been charged, I often wonder if then even verify that it was returned at all..
Anyway, I will get back to this.. my biggest pet peeve is people passing faulty, or "propaganda" information with absolutely no evidence to support it. (myself included)
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so even with a statement from Verizon saying they don't check for that stuff, you still think that they do? But you offer no evidence of this. That's fine..
I am going to get to the bottom of this, because it seems that everyone is just going off of what they "think" is the right answer, with no real evidence.
Im a researcher in physics and engineering, and I can assure you that if someone on my team said "well ya this is what happens because i said so..." it would not go over well.
If it takes me a day or a month, im going to get definitive answers about exactly what is covered and not covered under warranty replacements when it comes to rooting and unlocking.
my hypothesis is that if a phone has a factory defect (bad pixels, faulty buttons) then rooted or not, unlocked or not, it will be replaced. I base this off of YEARS of replacing DOZENS or devices, and not once have I ever "restored" them to factory conditions. I have never been charged for a device. They also say you have to return the device in 10 days or you will be charged. Ive returned devices 2 months later and never been charged, I often wonder if then even verify that it was returned at all..
Anyway, I will get back to this.. my biggest pet peeve is people passing faulty, or "propaganda" information with absolutely no evidence to support it. (myself included)
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I have to agree with you Serinety. Gone through 30+ exchanges and not once has rooting been an issue. EVER.
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not going to argue, i just know i won't be a guinea pig and try to ship it in. it also boils down to what tech you have working on your phone. i remember in my sprint days some stores would flag your device and some would not.
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I agree, there's no point in arguing. Send it back, don't send it back, it's your choice in the end.
and you wouldn't be a guinea pig, I have, like the OP, sent back over a dozen phones between Eris, inc1, and inc2 that were each time still rooted with s-off, and never had an issue.
I am not however going to care whether or not you choose to do so, nor should anyone else. It's your phone, you paid for it, do with it as you please.
God Bless.
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Please understand that you will not be able to return your device to the original state and going forward your device may not be held covered under the warranty for all claims resulting from the unlocking of the bootloader.
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key words here.. "MAY NOT" and "RESULTING FROM"
This means that normal factory defects will not be affected by rooting or unlocking. things like dead pixels, faulty buttons. etc.. as they are not "resulting from the unlocking of the bootloader"
this is pretty cut and dry in my opinion, still, I have emailed both VZW and HTC in order to confirm
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I agree, there's no point in arguing. Send it back, don't send it back, it's your choice in the end.
and you wouldn't be a guinea pig, I have, like the OP, sent back over a dozen phones between Eris, inc1, and inc2 that were each time still rooted with s-off, and never had an issue.
I am not however going to care whether or not you choose to do so, nor should anyone else. It's your phone, you paid for it, do with it as you please.
God Bless.
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This is pretty much the point I suppose. But for some reason, I feel compelled to dismantle this myth once and for all lol. Though like anything, sometimes you can present all the empirical evidence in the world and people will still believe what they want.
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This is pretty much the point I suppose. But for some reason, I feel compelled to dismantle this myth once and for all lol. Though like anything, sometimes you can present all the empirical evidence in the world and people will still believe what they want.
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I mean, it's not totally a myth--Verizon could, I suppose, decide tomorrow to start checking all phones for relocked bootloaders just to **** with us. But the point is that they haven't, and there's no evidence they will, and even if they decided to do that, we'd probably get wind of it.
I've recently made a post about the Evo 4G LTE on Phil Nickson's "I've got the Evo 4G LTE ask me anything forum" on the AndroidCentral.com website but I doubt he's going to respond to me.
Can you all show support for my question that asks him if he would try out the Unlock Method that involves NOT voiding the warranty?
Thanks all!
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I've recently made a post about the Evo 4G LTE on Phil Nickson's "I've got the Evo 4G LTE ask me anything forum" on the AndroidCentral.com website but I doubt he's going to respond to me.
Can you all show support for my question that asks him if he would try out the Unlock Method that involves NOT voiding the warranty?
Thanks all!
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From what I have read, HTC says that even if you use their tool it voids the warranty. So good luck finding any way to not do that. I will just use my TEP if needed to get it swapped.
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Pretty sure OP is referring to the non-HTC way. Thus not voiding warranty.
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scottspa74 said:
Pretty sure OP is referring to the non-HTC way. Thus not voiding warranty.
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It technically does void your warranty. The only difference is that HTC doesn't have a record of it which means you can s-on before you take it in for service and Sprint wouldn't have any idea.
I just supported your cause. But even if Phil doesn't do it, I'm sure many here will try next week.
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scottspa74 said:
Pretty sure OP is referring to the non-HTC way. Thus not voiding warranty.
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Exactly.
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It technically does void your warranty. The only difference is that HTC doesn't have a record of it which means you can s-on before you take it in for service and Sprint wouldn't have any idea.
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Yea, which means you "unvoid" your warranty for lack of a better word.
scottspa74 said:
I just supported your cause. But even if Phil doesn't do it, I'm sure many here will try next week.
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Sweet, thanks! I just wish he would do it first so I can make sure my device won't brick lol.
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He just answered my question and is it just me or is that a douche thing to say...
Phil Nickinson; said:
Haven't tried it. I use the official HTC one. But I will say this:
If you're worried about voiding a warranty, you shouldn't be mucking about with things you need an unlocked bootloader for. My 2 cents.
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Papichulo06 said:
He just answered my question and is it just me or is that a douche thing to say...
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Not really a douche thing to say. He's got a point: If you're worried about voiding your warranty (which all unlock methods technically do, whether you can 'unvoid' them or not) then you shouldn't worry about rooting. Every time you do an unlock, or mess with a ROM or firmware (especially firmware, radios and such) you chance bricking your device permanently. The warranty isn't designed to cover users wrecking their own phones. It's designed to cover hardware faults in the unit, or a bad firmware OTA from the carrier. It doesn't cover it if you run over it with the car (TEP does, but TEP also doesn't care about warranties because they have a deductible anyhow), or drop it in the toilet. Bricking or frying a phone because of a bad flash, or just not knowing what you're doing isn't covered by warranty (nor should it be). Just because you can wreck your device and get it replaced because they can't tell you've done things the phone isn't necessarily specced for doesn't mean it's 'right'...just that it's possible.
Now having said all that, I'd definitely try and use my warranty if I borked my phone. If not I'd spend the money on the deductible. I'm just saying that ethically it's wrong.
smw6180 said:
It technically does void your warranty. The only difference is that HTC doesn't have a record of it which means you can s-on before you take it in for service and Sprint wouldn't have any idea.
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I have read in some other threads that once you root it the phone adds some sort of internal red flag attached indicating the phone has been "tampered" with so that even if you un root and s-on they will know what you have done.
NasTraDooMis said:
I have read in some other threads that once you root it the phone adds some sort of internal red flag attached indicating the phone has been "tampered" with so that even if you un root and s-on they will know what you have done.
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If it is a flag, it's probably somewhere in the Bootloader partition, which, once S-Off, you can completely replace within the OS using ADB. An S-Off reversion would probably get rid of the flag, but we won't know until we get it!
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Papichulo06 said:
He just answered my question and is it just me or is that a douche thing to say...
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Apparently Phil hasn't browsed the One X forum much. There are a few threads about HTCs position of late. That is to say, once you unlock via HTCdev, HTC is even rejecting fixing faulty hardware (screens, power buttons, etc). Pretty slimy of them. They provided the HTCdev method as a genius way to almost eliminate liability for poor quality control.
Granted, if you brick your phone doing something stupid with the software that shouldn't have been done, or did it wrong cuz you didn't read, then I agree, HTC should take no responsibility for that. But if HTC uses poor adhesives or screen is falling off, well obviously that SHOULD be covered under warranty. But if you used their method to unlock at any point, they now have a right (and a financial interest) to reject you, ...and will.
Now this is not so much of a problem for us, as sprint or asurion, or some insurance will service our phone for us. But all those with unbranded/international models are feeling pretty screwed right now, and I don't blame them. The one X has been known to have various screen problems. But a lot of people (here on xda) unlocked their bootloader the minute they got home with the phone, then later noticed screen flickering and/or spots. They are now hosed.
Have a look in the intn'l one x forum, you'll see what I mean.
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scottspa74 said:
Apparently Phil hasn't browsed the One X forum much. There are a few threads about HTCs position of late. That is to say, once you unlock via HTCdev, HTC is even rejecting fixing faulty hardware (screens, power buttons, etc). Pretty slimy of them. They provided the HTCdev method as a genius way to almost eliminate liability for poor quality control.
Granted, if you brick your phone doing something stupid with the software that shouldn't have been done, or did it wrong cuz you didn't read, then I agree, HTC should take no responsibility for that. But if HTC uses poor adhesives or screen is falling off, well obviously that SHOULD be covered under warranty. But if you used their method to unlock at any point, they now have a right (and a financial interest) to reject you, ...and will.
Now this is not so much of a problem for us, as sprint or asurion, or some insurance will service our phone for us. But all those with unbranded/international models are feeling pretty screwed right now, and I don't blame them. The one X has been known to have various screen problems. But a lot of people (here on xda) unlocked their bootloader the minute they got home with the phone, then later noticed screen flickering and/or spots. They are now hosed.
Have a look in the intn'l one x forum, you'll see what I mean.
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I'm thinking of going with SquareTrade. I doubt they will check for unlocked bootloaders...
scottspa74 said:
Apparently Phil hasn't browsed the One X forum much.
Have a look in the intn'l one x forum, you'll see what I mean.
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I have to agree with you scottspa.... I know he doesn't know that I'm an informed Android and XDA user but it seems like he talks to everyone like kids that don't know any better on AndroidCentral.com, but it seems to me that WE'RE MORE informed then that jerk. Also seems to me that he doesn't care much. Of course not. Why would he? I'm sure he's swimming in phones.
BTW, I did make note of the HTC One X issues and actually called him out on it.
Check out my latest post (which he hasn't responded to yet, of course.)
In your experience, when selling a phone on ebay, especially one as old as the Evo 3D, is it better to sell it as rooted and s-off or revert to stock? What garners more mula?
optional?
I think I plan on running the RUU to bring to stock, but leaving it S-Off with Custom Recovery. I figure if you know how to to get into recovery or bootloader from a Stock ROM then you'll know what you are doing. Someone who doesn't know or care about S-Off wouldn't even know.
Kippui said:
optional?
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Well what I am concerned about is driving away costumers who do not understand rooted devices and I think leaving it optional would be just as bad. I recently sold a nexus device rooted and the price it eventually auctioned off for seemed lower than what other used, stock devices were selling for. But I think for an older device like the Evo 3D the situation is different because the lack of hype and layman costumer base. Buying a rooted, s-off evo 3D could be very attractive to someone on this forum who doesn't want to deal with doing the wire trick themselves. They might pay more than what the stock Evo 3Ds are going for.
Any thoughts on this game theory?
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I think I plan on running the RUU to bring to stock, but leaving it S-Off with Custom Recovery. I figure if you know how to to get into recovery or bootloader from a Stock ROM then you'll know what you are doing. Someone who doesn't know or care about S-Off wouldn't even know.
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Will this allow it to receive OTA updates or will I need to also relock the bootloader and replace the recovery?
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Will this allow it to receive OTA updates or will I need to also relock the bootloader and replace the recovery?
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The stock recovery is required to install OTA updates.
You can use this guide to return everything to 100% stock, but I'd suggest waiting until you get a buyer and then asking if they would like the phone S-OFF or not before setting S-ON. If they say no or don't seem to know what that means you can run the "fastboot oem writesecureflag" command before transferring the phone to them and it will be 100% stock as if it just came out of the box. If they want to receive it S-OFF and know what that means it will be very simple for them to flash a custom bootloader and recovery, then root the stock ROM or flash a custom ROM.
If that sounds too complicated, just set it to S-ON and let them worry about it.
ramjet73
Rooted with costume Rom, always better, because brings more buyers, Is something different put a fancy title like htc Evo 3D rooted with costume rom... blah blah... you know what I mean.
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I think it depends, you can attract different kind of customer in both cases
I buy and sell often mobile phones.
My experience says that if buyer asks about root he secretly want it to be root.
If no questions asked he doesnt even know whats root.
So I would leave it out of the selling ad but be honest and keep it rooted.
orlox said:
I buy and sell often mobile phones.
My experience says that if buyer asks about root he secretly want it to be root.
If no questions asked he doesnt even know whats root.
So I would leave it out of the selling ad but be honest and keep it rooted.
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+1
I always leave phone rooted, but don't advertise that. While talking to potential buyer, ask if they are going to root device. If they say no or have no clue, I put it back stock for them.
I agree that sometimes putting too much information can drive people away. I wouldn't advertise the fact that it is S-OFF but it is a bonus for the customer if it is...
asushtcevo said:
I agree that sometimes putting too much information can drive people away. I wouldn't advertise the fact that it is S-OFF but it is a bonus for the customer if it is...
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I agree too. I believe most of the interest on an older phone will be from people like us, that enjoy installing new roms for these phones. In the end, having one or two of these phones to fall back on in case of an emergency is great!