For the past few days I have been racking my brain and searching multiple forums for the answer(s) and I finally turn to XDA to hopefully help answer.
The thought: I would love to be able to take my DroidX connect it via HDMI to a 7" monitor in my car to have a nice view of the navigation, access to my music and all of the other items that the phone has to offer (which include data connection and accurate GPS). Sure I can buy an android based headunit or build a carPC but why when I have what all of that has to offer in my pocket? Then I got to thinking, to take it a step further, why not use a 7" touchscreen monitor so that I am not just passing video and sound via the HDMI but that the monitor registers touches to the phone.
WebTop is a great middle of the road solution as it would output the HDMI and allow the user to utilize the phone as the mouse touchpad on the screen. Sadly it is only offered for a select few phones. So on to my questions.
1. Did I some how miss a WebTop project being worked on that would do what I am talking about?
2. Am I wrong in thinking that drivers need to be worked out depending on the phone AND which 7" TS was used?
3. Most, if not all, android phones have video out capabilities, so outputting to the screen would be workable, but is there a better way to get the input hurdle worked out.. not a question just an open suggestion box.
Looks like a few more days or looking would have helped. Customgadz has what I need.
so what did you find? I searched for Customgadz, with no results. did you use hdmi mirroring with Android, or does this work with webtop?
Looks like the australian website has a solution to control an android device with a 4 wire external touchscreen using a module.
search for "customgadz remote touch"
Only pre-order now and the website states they start delivering end of januari
One of the new features that I found really awesome was the mirror function which is supposed to allow you to mirror whatever is on your screen on a TV. I could not find much detail how this is done though. Is this via wifi, blutooth, etc? Can this be done on any TV? If so this will be an incredible feature as I travel a lot will be able to navigate and watch movies wherever I go.
MHL adapter. Google it. Almost all new phones support this already.
Yes, I know what an MHL adapter is and I use it with my GS2 but from what I´ve read on techradar it sounded like this was done via wireless.
This is what I´m talking about: http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s3-wi-fi-display-hub-ead-t10udegxeu-p35120.htm
Freacking awesome!
I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 that I purchased last year. There's been a lot of talk (last fracking year) about Miracast, WiDi, and how great it will be to mirror my device. Here we are in May 2013, and the tech is still garbage or non-exstent. I'd appreciate it if someone could help me. Here's the scenario:
My family (like many of yours) is completely perplexed by the function of a TV remote's "Input" button. Once they have to change the input on the TV, all hell breaks loose and I end up having to "fix" everything by pressing the input button to get the TV to the right input again. My family currently owns 2 iPhones, an iPad, and an iPod. I built a Windows 7 Media Center PC with a 5.1 speaker system that we use as our cable receiver, 3D Blu-ray player, media streamer, music player, and AppleTV receiver. Since everything is built into that one box, no one has to change an input, and all is harmonious. The main focus is the AppleTV receiver feature, which is accomplished using a program called AirServer. It's great because anyone can click on the Airplay button on their iDevice and a window automatically pops up on the PC, maximizes, and mirrors the iDevice. No changing inputs. Great, right?
I, however, have a Galaxy Note 2, and the one feature I desperately want is garbage on this device: mirroring. I don't want to stream something through DLNA (because only a limited amount of files/formats/apps support it). I don't want another box sucking up power and requiring me to switch inputs on both my TV and speaker system. All I want is to mirror my device to my PC in the same manner that Airserver lets me mirror an iDevice on my PC. So far, this seems bleak and far-fetched. There are no PC software options to mirror my Android device onto a PC. Besides, even if I were to buy a dongle, the Samsung Allshare Cast dongle is quite possibly the most infuriating piece of crap I've ever used. It stutters, pixelates, and puts my audio/video so far out of synch that it's useless. On top of it all, my Wifi (for internet, on the Note 2) disconnects when using Miracast/WiDi. I tried the Netgear PTV3000, which is also a stuttering, unreliable mess of a device. I'm also not going to root my device. It's 2013, and I shouldn't have to sacrifice receiving OTA updates because Google dropped the ball.
So here's the question: is there a way to mirror my Android device on a PC without rooting or buying another box/dongle? I'd like to keep my Android phone, but I'm switching back to Apple if September rolls around and I'm still going through this. I'm not a fan of the company, but Airplay mirroring just works. No downloading 20 video players and 6 codec packs. No out-of-synch issues with audio. No dropped WiFi. No family members complaining that they "broke" the tv because it's on the wrong input. I want all that on my Android phone.
Thanks
Then I would just go back to apple. As this feature will always be manufacturer spicific so you will have to do it the way that OEM requires and alot of android things will never play well with anything apple. Mainly not Samsung.
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zelendel said:
Then I would just go back to apple. As this feature will always be manufacturer spicific so you will have to do it the way that OEM requires and alot of android things will never play well with anything apple. Mainly not Samsung.
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Yup, it sure seems that way. Samsung stuff only seems to work with other Samsung products. My options are that crappy dongle they make or buy a $1500 TV just to mirror my phone. No thanks.
My biggest complaint about Apple now is the damn lightning connector. I get why they made the 30-pin dock connector when they did, but Micro USB has been around for a while and has the bandwidth to handle everything going in and out of that phone. Making another proprietary connector was just a huge slap in the face to consumers everywhere.
Why is it that once I connect to miracast it will disconnect from wifi? Is it hardware limitation or software bug? My Samsung note 2 can connect on both miracast and still maintain wifi connection.
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Why is it that once I connect to miracast it will disconnect from wifi? Is it hardware limitation or software bug? My Samsung note 2 can connect on both miracast and still maintain wifi connection.
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I believe that Sonys implementation of Miracast is wrong.
From what I read, Miracast it self allows for up to 10 connections and as you say your Samsung Galaxy Note 2 can handle both network connection and Miracast.
There's two threads at Sony's Xperia Forum that discuss this problem.
At first the Xperia Team said it was by design, but when several users explained that Samsung phones can have a Wifi connection active at the same time and that all Nexus phones running 4.2.2 could also handle this,
then the Xperia Team said that they would escalate the issue, but after that there has been no more feedback...
Here's the threads at Sony's Xperia Forum:
http://talk.sonymobile.com/thread/127452?start=0&tstart=0
http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/453753#453753
This is actually a really bad thing. I also purchased the push2tv system so could stream Netflix and YouTube from my tablet. No luck with that. My HTC one does it without problems.
I am starting to think that what if the random wifi disconnections are related and is because Sony uses only one antenna while there should be two.
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This is actually a really bad thing. I also purchased the push2tv system so could stream Netflix and YouTube from my tablet. No luck with that. My HTC one does it without problems.
I am starting to think that what if the random wifi disconnections are related and is because Sony uses only one antenna while there should be two.
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actually the tablet z uses MIMO and has 2 antennas. in my opinion it´s clearly a software restriction.
I had the same issue since i bought the dock and push2tv for the same reason. Unfortunately nothing so far. It is definitely a software problem as Sony seems to have fixed it with the Xperia Z Ultra. It works fine while still connected to wifi.
The Xperia Z disconnects also by the way.
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Is it a restriction on the S4, over Snapdragon 800? That could be why the Ultra (and then Honami) works.
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Is it a restriction on the S4, over Snapdragon 800? That could be why the Ultra (and then Honami) works.
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So it was not fixed with 4.2.2? LOL
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So it was not fixed with 4.2.2? LOL
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No. I have to assume it's a hardware restriction then, or Sony can't or won't fix it.
I am now using MHL, which seems like a far easier solution - although even that cuts the performance of the phone considerably. Epic Citadel can benchmark at around 59fps on the phone display, but output via HDMI and it drops things to 30-40fps.
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No. I have to assume it's a hardware restriction then, or Sony can't or won't fix it.
I am now using MHL, which seems like a far easier solution - although even that cuts the performance of the phone considerably. Epic Citadel can benchmark at around 59fps on the phone display, but output via HDMI and it drops things to 30-40fps.
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weird, some say it works on T, so why would XZ and XTZ be affected?
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weird, some say it works on T, so why would XZ and XTZ be affected?
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That's weird if it works on the T. I think this needs to be clarified. If it does, Sony really should be able to make it work, or else asked why they went backwards with the Z/TZ by changing the Wi-Fi specs/antennas.
I am going to go and check my Nexus 4 and see if that retains the connection. Previously I couldn't connect it to my TV but a new LG update on the TV has hopefully fixed things.
So did Sony really f*ck this up here. Unbelievable..I must say that I am so disappointed now. I was hoping to stream Netflix from the tablet.
Maybe I then have to get chromecast when available in Europe. I assume that it doesn't use miracast to do the streaming but likely it will stream on its own.
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So did Sony really f*ck this up here. Unbelievable..I must say that I am so disappointed now. I was hoping to stream Netflix from the tablet.
Maybe I then have to get chromecast when available in Europe. I assume that it doesn't use miracast to do the streaming but likely it will stream on its own.
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Right, just tried my Nexus 4 and it does keep the Wi-Fi connection. However, there's a lot more lag and the TV image doesn't quite keep up. What's more, the picture breaks up when it doesn't on the Xperia Z.
However, having an Internet connection does of course mean you can now stream TV and movies with Netflix or Google Play. Play crashed when playing a film though, and I have to say I didn't realise it could output a different screen. Netflix doesn't support this, and I'm not sure what else might (perhaps YouTube and other Google apps?).
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Forget it, guys.
This concept of streaming stuff from the tablet is going to fade anyway.
For Youtube, Netflix etc. simply shell out $35 and get a Chromecast.
Or buy a Raspberry Pi and make your own Chromecast-y device.
Or buy a Satellite receiver like the Vu+ Solo2 and use Airplayer plugin.
All these solutions have in common that the streaming happens on the other device, not the tablet, and therefore is simply more stable and reliable (especially when a wired network connection is used). The tablet is only a controller, a"chooser" for media. (That's also more battery-friendly, by the way.)
Yes I know it should keep the wifi connection. I am mirrorring with my HTC One and wifi doesn't disconnect.
Only problem with HTC One is that after using for an hour or so the phone will get so hot that I get some warning message about it.
So that much for watching a movie like that.
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Forget it, guys.
This concept of streaming stuff from the tablet is going to fade anyway.
For Youtube, Netflix etc. simply shell out $35 and get a Chromecast.
Or buy a Raspberry Pi and make your own Chromecast-y device.
Or buy a Satellite receiver like the Vu+ Solo2 and use Airplayer plugin.
All these solutions have in common that the streaming happens on the other device, not the tablet, and therefore is simply more stable and reliable (especially when a wired network connection is used). The tablet is only a controller, a"chooser" for media. (That's also more battery-friendly, by the way.)
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Yes thats basically the better way to do it. I also do have WDTV Live and I can basically use Youtube so that I control with tablet and play on the big screen. Unfortunately the software on WDTV Live is buggy as hell and it crashes every now and then.
Also for some reason Netflix doesn't have this similar possibility.
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Yes I know it should keep the wifi connection. I am mirrorring with my HTC One and wifi doesn't disconnect.
Only problem with HTC One is that after using for an hour or so the phone will get so hot that I get some warning message about it.
So that much for watching a movie like that.
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Yes thats basically the better way to do it. I also do have WDTV Live and I can basically use Youtube so that I control with tablet and play on the big screen. Unfortunately the software on WDTV Live is buggy as hell and it crashes every now and then.
Also for some reason Netflix doesn't have this similar possibility.
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I agree that the Chromecast way of doing things is the way forward for streaming services. However, I'd have liked to be able to play games without lag/dropped frames on the big-screen - and it seems that with or without the Wi-Fi connection staying open, the quality isn't quite there.
Maybe Snapdragon 800 improves this - and that could be something to sway me towards Honami - but perhaps Miracast will remain useful for showing off photo and videos stored locally (your own content) as a far better option than DLNA that rarely, if ever, works with modern video formats and resolutions.
Things like Miracast etc. are mostly used at home, where you have your TV or projector.
But at home it's not necessary to store the videos on a tablet and then stream them to the TV.
At home one has some kind of NAS from which the files are fetched.
I admit that for a long time I also thought about using the tablet as media hub / storage.
But if one thinks a bit about it and researches, it becomes obvious that much better and tried-and-tested options exist.
And for all other cases (like projecting different apps or playing a game on the big screen) the Tablet Z has a MHL/HDMI output, that's what it's for.
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And for all other cases (like projecting different apps or playing a game on the big screen) the Tablet Z has a MHL/HDMI output, that's what it's for.
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Even MHL slows the phone down, which must be a hardware limitation of the phone.
SlimPort is even worse. I don't know what sort of handshaking is carried out with that, but on my Nexus 4 when I was at CES I was on the stand of a company making them and we hooked my phone up to have the phone crash (even restarting on occasion) within seconds of connecting it.
I'd be interested to see if Snapdragon 800 has less problems with TV output, via Miracast or a cable - but the idea of using the smartphone as a remote to control streaming directly to a device (like a TV with a wired Internet connection) certainly makes sense. Google has once again come up with something great here, and it's probably totally the opposite of the direction Apple intends to take TV in the future.
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Hi guys, has anyone else had problems connecting their XTZ using miracast? I have the push2tv and my HTC One connects perfectly, but my Xperia tablet gives the error "Could not turn on screen mirroring. The output device does not support HDCP". It seems very strange as the tablet is listed the supported devices on Netgear's site.
I have the 312 version, and have the latest firmware on the push2tv.
this problem definitely not solved within 4.2 update. Dissapointing.
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This ist what I posted in the sony forum thread under talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Tablet-Z/Can-t-do-Screen-Mirroring-miracast-and-WiFi-connection/td-p/333179/page/3[/url]
Sooo, installed Cyanogenmod 10.2 (based on Android 4.3 which supports WiDi/Miracast natively) and see there:
WIDI/Miracast and the connection to my home WiFi Network work simultaneously.....!!!
So Sony, two lessons for you here:
1. Get of your collective ***** and get Android 4.3 going without nerfing perfectly fine core features
2. If you're going the forum/community way, provide correct information (aka really ask your developers) and don't spew half informed nonsense/play the information hiding game...
To everyone else here: give them ****, or they will never learn!
PS: Who wants to try, google Cyanogenmod ("Pollux" -for LTE variant- or "Pollux_Windy" -for WiFi only variant-). Warning!: Possible Warranty void when flashing custom ROMS
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=> SW Issue !!!
I had a convergence idea (that i'm sure others have had in the past) about using an atrix 4g laptop dock (via mhl to hdmi) on my galaxy note. I'm running cm10 (4.1.2) with ubuntu installed experimentally, but I would really like to get xwindows working on the video out on my note instead of just a mirror of what' on my phone's display (sort of like the atrix demonstration of cannonical's ubuntu for android) the sad part is that I haven't the foggiest about how to bind an xserver to the video out and then how to disable the bluetooth input to android and enable it on that xserver... if cannonical can do it with an atrix, i'd imagine we should be able to do it on a note...
just kicking around some ideas. if anyone has any idea as to how to go about this, or has additional ideas and information related, i'd be interested. I'm very interested in mobile phone / notebook / desktop convergence and would love to see something this this in action in my hand.
now that atrix laptop docks (which are really just hdmi displays / speakers and usb keyboards that power for 8 hours) are $50 on ebay it seems like the time is right...
Beat me to the post I was going post a similar idea as well today. Only I have no interest in using the pad dock. Just "ubuntu" video out activated on mhl input.